1
00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,440
Speaker 1: Welcome to The Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart

2
00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,880
Speaker 1: Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion

3
00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:32,959
Speaker 1: is advised, Hi, and welcome to this very special bonus

4
00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,280
Speaker 1: series of The Hidden Gin. The interviews. In these episodes,

5
00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,559
Speaker 1: you'll hear me talk to people from all walks of

6
00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,640
Speaker 1: life who have had GIN experiences, are drawn to the

7
00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,600
Speaker 1: stories of Gin and draw lessons from these stories. You'll

8
00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,400
Speaker 1: hear from artists, scholars, writers, journalists, and gin exorcists, and

9
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,840
Speaker 1: even from me as I discuss how and why this

10
00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,240
Speaker 1: series came about in a very personal conversation with my husband.

11
00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:05,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and enjoy. So this will be the

12
00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,319
Speaker 1: final episode that tracks with the main series, but I've

13
00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,280
Speaker 1: been holding onto this UM Today's interview for quite a while.

14
00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,920
Speaker 1: I've been really excited about it because our final episode,

15
00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,880
Speaker 1: if you've listened to it yet, it's called Exorcism, and

16
00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,240
Speaker 1: so our guest today is kind of perfect for this subject.

17
00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,280
Speaker 1: And I was actually introduced to her by one of

18
00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,920
Speaker 1: our other guests, one of the other guests I had

19
00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,559
Speaker 1: on earlier actor who pointed me towards um this guest

20
00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,240
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you might want to check her out,

21
00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,720
Speaker 1: and I was fascinated when I did, so I'd like

22
00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,560
Speaker 1: to introduce you to my guest today. Her name is

23
00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,040
Speaker 1: Jihan Mancy. Jihan is a spiritualist and a writer, and

24
00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,319
Speaker 1: she practices something called alchimistic or maybe that's what she

25
00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,960
Speaker 1: calls and I'm not sure, but she says her alchimistic

26
00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,960
Speaker 1: style is a blend of comedic alchemy and Islamic ESO terrorism.

27
00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,760
Speaker 1: She writes a couple of columns for a online magazine

28
00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,280
Speaker 1: called MS Muslim. She's also a TV writer and you know,

29
00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,000
Speaker 1: she basically was doing these columns formison which I read

30
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,880
Speaker 1: I just blew through. Um. And then she decided to

31
00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of write about other things and introduced a personal

32
00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,120
Speaker 1: blog called Mystic Musings, where she shares her sacred knowledge

33
00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,400
Speaker 1: that she's acquired over the years. She's really active on Instagram.

34
00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,240
Speaker 1: I've seen her do Instagram live videos on these things.

35
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,480
Speaker 1: And her website is j Mancy dot com. It's j

36
00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,720
Speaker 1: M A N. S y dot com. Um And basically

37
00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,280
Speaker 1: she's dedicated her life to metaphysics, self healing and alcomizing

38
00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,360
Speaker 1: your soul in order to live your truth in alignment

39
00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:40,240
Speaker 1: with your highest good. Johan is based in California, and Um,

40
00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,680
Speaker 1: she spends her life helping people who come to her

41
00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,200
Speaker 1: out of great desperate spiritual need, people who oftentimes believe

42
00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,519
Speaker 1: that they have some kind of a gin possession or

43
00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,000
Speaker 1: attack on them. Before doing this work, she was an

44
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,799
Speaker 1: academic publishing and that was her field. But now she's

45
00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 1: dedicated her life, uh to helping people who really have

46
00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,079
Speaker 1: nowhere else to turn. So check out my interview with

47
00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,960
Speaker 1: John because, believe me, you never heard a story like this.

48
00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,480
Speaker 1: So I first want to say that, UM, I don't

49
00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,200
Speaker 1: even know where to start with you. I'll be honest,

50
00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,160
Speaker 1: because I just learned of your work not too long ago.

51
00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,799
Speaker 1: Now that you're this episode is going to run kind

52
00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,519
Speaker 1: of as our season finale in a way, because it's like,

53
00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,760
Speaker 1: to me, you are bringing so much together that we're

54
00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna have covered over the season and your own personal

55
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,480
Speaker 1: experiences too. But I hadn't heard of your work until

56
00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,560
Speaker 1: very recently, and then it was like this rabbit hole

57
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,600
Speaker 1: I've read like, I couldn't stop reading your blogs. I

58
00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,080
Speaker 1: couldn't start with your college. Yeah, fascinating, But here's here's

59
00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,000
Speaker 1: what I don't want to do. Um. I've already introduced

60
00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,960
Speaker 1: you and the listeners. You know, I have a little

61
00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,960
Speaker 1: bit of information about what you do, but I want

62
00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,320
Speaker 1: to start off by can you tell us a little

63
00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,200
Speaker 1: bit of actually about your personal background if you don't mind,

64
00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,480
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, ethnically, where you're from, Um,

65
00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,360
Speaker 1: where are you from the United States? A little just

66
00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,360
Speaker 1: about your person story. Yeah. So I'm very proud that

67
00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm from Ohio, uh, California with my husband. My family

68
00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,440
Speaker 1: and my parents are from Egypt. So I was raising

69
00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:19,960
Speaker 1: a very progressive Islamic household and stressed that because my

70
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,760
Speaker 1: parents always allowed us to be very open with our

71
00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,200
Speaker 1: questions and discussions, so nothing was like off the table.

72
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,240
Speaker 1: So I really credit them for my spiritual growth. They're

73
00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,479
Speaker 1: not happy be with what I do, but they're not

74
00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,520
Speaker 1: they're not happy with what you do. Are they scared

75
00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,839
Speaker 1: of what you do? Is at it? I think because

76
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,279
Speaker 1: in Egypt, the people who um claim to be healers

77
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,200
Speaker 1: or seers typically their cons and they just end up

78
00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,880
Speaker 1: taking your money. There's like a bad reputation. But you know,

79
00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,120
Speaker 1: my parents need to understand we're in America now, things

80
00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,760
Speaker 1: are different. So you will be shocked. You'll be You'll

81
00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 1: be shocked to learn that your parents and my parents

82
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,560
Speaker 1: feel very similarly because what I told them I'm going

83
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,680
Speaker 1: to law school. They're like, listen back home, all the

84
00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,520
Speaker 1: lawyers of crooks and uh don't go into law. And

85
00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,800
Speaker 1: I was like, where in America. It's a different situation here.

86
00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,880
Speaker 1: But my family from Bokadan, so I understand that whole thing.

87
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,880
Speaker 1: But um, so you grew up in Ohio. But professionally,

88
00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not something of what was done,

89
00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,320
Speaker 1: Like spiritual healing was not as your profession did. My

90
00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,799
Speaker 1: career before this, I was an academic publishing and I

91
00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,760
Speaker 1: was really burned out with corporate world. So I left

92
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,279
Speaker 1: UM a few years ago to try to pursue writing

93
00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,400
Speaker 1: full time. I have. I worked on a Manu script.

94
00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to be an author and be the Muslim

95
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,240
Speaker 1: version of Nora Roberts, and I came across this Muslim Um.

96
00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,760
Speaker 1: I decided to write for them. So I wrote two

97
00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,279
Speaker 1: columns and my good friend Jinn, who's the founder of

98
00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,559
Speaker 1: this Muslim kept urging me to be more open about

99
00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440
Speaker 1: my spirituality. And she was like, you're holding back a lot,

100
00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,800
Speaker 1: and I can tell why don't you just come out

101
00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,320
Speaker 1: and talk more about the depth of your spiritual thoughts,

102
00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know if people are

103
00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,200
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm a witch, and I was I used

104
00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,719
Speaker 1: to be really afraid about label, so I kind of

105
00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,680
Speaker 1: just threw myself into it. I became a little bit

106
00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,440
Speaker 1: more public with what I do. I met Kredsmen at

107
00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,640
Speaker 1: the time as just a friend, but our friendship grew

108
00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,680
Speaker 1: because of our spirituality, a spiritual connection, and he was

109
00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 1: the one who encouraged me actually to do the spiritual

110
00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,320
Speaker 1: work as a business. And I was really instant. And

111
00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,600
Speaker 1: then I was making a lot of difference within the community,

112
00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,720
Speaker 1: not just the Islamic community and the Egyptian community, but

113
00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,440
Speaker 1: the non Muslims who I was working with. So I

114
00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of went with it. And then now I have

115
00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,120
Speaker 1: a full fledged business. That's kind of amazing. But let

116
00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,000
Speaker 1: me so let me. I want to know kind of

117
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,120
Speaker 1: like how this all began. I mean, one thing I've

118
00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,800
Speaker 1: heard about when it when it comes to pe and

119
00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,240
Speaker 1: I feel like somebody has cemented over my third eye

120
00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:44,600
Speaker 1: or something. I feel like one of those people for

121
00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,560
Speaker 1: whom the veil is very thick, you know. Even though

122
00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm like I feel like I'm open to it, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

123
00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,000
Speaker 1: you know I'd be interested in like perceiving things. It

124
00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,440
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen for me, but I've heard that it

125
00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,920
Speaker 1: actually for people who have that ability. It's almost like

126
00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,599
Speaker 1: ain in the family off and you know a lot

127
00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560
Speaker 1: of times in the matriarchal line, when did it become

128
00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,880
Speaker 1: apparent to you that you could sense things that other

129
00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,680
Speaker 1: people could not. So first, I do want to quickly

130
00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,360
Speaker 1: say we all had the capability to open up our gifts,

131
00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 1: and especially as Muslim's, the biggest benefit we have is

132
00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,800
Speaker 1: the ninety nine names. So there are specific names of

133
00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,520
Speaker 1: dog you can chant to give your third eye lastic

134
00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,800
Speaker 1: surgery and to south the channel um and to open

135
00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160
Speaker 1: up those types of senses. But when I was eight

136
00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,080
Speaker 1: years old, I had my first encounter with the spirit,

137
00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,360
Speaker 1: and I thought everybody could see. It was my aunt

138
00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 1: who had passed that summer, and I woke up mill

139
00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,280
Speaker 1: of the night and I was having a full fledged

140
00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,400
Speaker 1: conversation with her and I told my mom about it.

141
00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,360
Speaker 1: My mom was like, she freaked out because she thought

142
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,240
Speaker 1: I was traumatized from the death of my aunt. And

143
00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,240
Speaker 1: when I was repeating things back to my mom about

144
00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,120
Speaker 1: what my aunt said, my mom froze and she then knew, Okay,

145
00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,680
Speaker 1: there's something really going spiritual going on, and my mom

146
00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,120
Speaker 1: believes in this. So from her reaction, I kind of

147
00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,560
Speaker 1: shut down a little bit, and it wasn't discussed. Um.

148
00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,640
Speaker 1: In my high school years, and I started becoming more

149
00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,280
Speaker 1: involved with the mosque and praying more and just kind

150
00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,320
Speaker 1: of allowing myself to be a more immersed in the

151
00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,040
Speaker 1: Islamic culture. Prior opens us up as well. So I

152
00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,080
Speaker 1: started having dreams where they were coming true, and I

153
00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't understand that either. And I would talk to my

154
00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,480
Speaker 1: parents about it, and they could have given me great

155
00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,200
Speaker 1: stories about profit USEF, but they couldn't really give me

156
00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,480
Speaker 1: the answers of what was going on. And then all

157
00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,600
Speaker 1: throughout my twenties, UM, I was sensing things and I

158
00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640
Speaker 1: couldn't put my finger on it. And then that age

159
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,480
Speaker 1: in the medical world, I coded, so I lost a

160
00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,080
Speaker 1: heartbeat for about a minute. So I transitioned to the

161
00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,079
Speaker 1: next realm and you see the whole white light. All

162
00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,280
Speaker 1: of that's true, But the first energy I connected with

163
00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,800
Speaker 1: was profit Jesus, and I wasn't expecting that, right, I'm

164
00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,080
Speaker 1: expecting to connect with profit moment because I almost and

165
00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,199
Speaker 1: I saw myself on the operating table. I saw everything

166
00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:12,040
Speaker 1: that happened during a surgery or I was getting ready

167
00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,480
Speaker 1: to move to California. I was packing. It was my

168
00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,240
Speaker 1: first move out of my home. I think I had

169
00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,720
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear over that,

170
00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,840
Speaker 1: and I just the weight of stress. I collapsed. I

171
00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,720
Speaker 1: just dropped and that my friend rushed to the hospital

172
00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,319
Speaker 1: and I took a while for them to resuscitate me. Well,

173
00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,280
Speaker 1: it was technically I was out for about a minute,

174
00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,800
Speaker 1: a minute and a half. Um that minute and a half, though,

175
00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,160
Speaker 1: felt like a lifetime to me because I saw myself

176
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,040
Speaker 1: on operating table, came back to life. I told it

177
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,600
Speaker 1: act what happened, and he was like a lot of

178
00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,840
Speaker 1: people had these experiences. He UM encouraged. I read a

179
00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,080
Speaker 1: book I think it was called The Proof of Heaven,

180
00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,880
Speaker 1: and I was expecting him to say I had a

181
00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,000
Speaker 1: psychotic break, because in mid to late twenties people have

182
00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,560
Speaker 1: like psychosis break, so I thought I had something UM.

183
00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,560
Speaker 1: About two weeks later, I moved to California and it

184
00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,640
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't stop seeing spirits. So you know,

185
00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,000
Speaker 1: we share this world with the unseen, but it was unreal.

186
00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,960
Speaker 1: It was like I would be walking down the street

187
00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,080
Speaker 1: and I would be bombarded with spirits and I knew

188
00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,600
Speaker 1: they were spirits because they didn't look like actual humans.

189
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,440
Speaker 1: But I felt like I had lost my mind. I

190
00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,800
Speaker 1: was convinced I had a psychotic break. Okay, John, I

191
00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,760
Speaker 1: gotta stop, because I have so many questions already that

192
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,200
Speaker 1: have like they're they're backing up before I forget. First,

193
00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,960
Speaker 1: I need to know more about what happened you in

194
00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,320
Speaker 1: that minute and a half and you you say you

195
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,640
Speaker 1: saw Jesus. Now, just for people who are not musliman

196
00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,840
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, um. John also mentioned profit use

197
00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,360
Speaker 1: if that's Joseph, and so, you know, Muslims believe in

198
00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,680
Speaker 1: all the biblical prophets, and Joseph, we know there's stories

199
00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,040
Speaker 1: around him and his ability to have these dreams in

200
00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,400
Speaker 1: which he had incredible premonitions and powers to the dreams.

201
00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,880
Speaker 1: But Jesus is also considered a prophet. I mean, we

202
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,559
Speaker 1: don't worship Jesus the way Christians do, but we believe

203
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,560
Speaker 1: he's like one of the most powerful profits. And so

204
00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,400
Speaker 1: that's why Johan, you know, referred to Jesus prophet Jesus.

205
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,960
Speaker 1: So did did you talk to him like what happening

206
00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,760
Speaker 1: I need to know. We introduced himself as Jesus. It's

207
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,360
Speaker 1: also the image of Jesus in my mind is what

208
00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,520
Speaker 1: we've seen, like you know, light brown hair, color, white

209
00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,800
Speaker 1: colored skin. So he introduced himself as Jesus. He said,

210
00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Jesus. And what did he look like? Was

211
00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,280
Speaker 1: it not? Was it not what you had seen? Like?

212
00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,200
Speaker 1: Well you what we see in our western kind of

213
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,920
Speaker 1: uh iconic. Ree saw more of like a shadowy figure,

214
00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,480
Speaker 1: so I could tell the profile of his space, but

215
00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't really make out all of his features. And

216
00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is something that profits are

217
00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,400
Speaker 1: usually masked like with angels. I don't see there of

218
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,280
Speaker 1: angels become as lights. But his voice was really it

219
00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: was deep, but also in a way lights that makes sense, warm,

220
00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,680
Speaker 1: really at peace, like I felt like I wasn't crazy.

221
00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,520
Speaker 1: I felt like this was all happening in a divine

222
00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:10,000
Speaker 1: manner um the type of brightness like the bright light

223
00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,640
Speaker 1: you see it feels like you're catapulted through a tunnel

224
00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,520
Speaker 1: of white light. So I also thought that was that

225
00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm dead, like I'm not coming back to life. But

226
00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,440
Speaker 1: he told me you're gonna be Okay, but you're meant

227
00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,800
Speaker 1: to be a healer. You're meant to heal. And again

228
00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm drinking. I mean, I'm thought to the l A.

229
00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm like starting any life, right, I'm gonna go sell textbooks, right. Oh.

230
00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,480
Speaker 1: I didn't understand any of the messages that he did

231
00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,160
Speaker 1: tell me he was gonna heal through my hands. Well again,

232
00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,840
Speaker 1: prior to this, I had no experience in the healing word.

233
00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,760
Speaker 1: I thought all this stuff was hot or unlawful as

234
00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,680
Speaker 1: what we say. I thought all this was like double work.

235
00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:59,440
Speaker 1: So coming back from that, I questioned a lot about faith. Yeah, okay,

236
00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,840
Speaker 1: so when you say that opened up kind of like

237
00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,200
Speaker 1: a portal, like like it's almost like, uh, you had

238
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,720
Speaker 1: glimpses before that, but this kind of like just blew

239
00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,480
Speaker 1: the damn wide open kind of pulled me into a

240
00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,720
Speaker 1: different realm. Was that Was that a terrifying experience for

241
00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,760
Speaker 1: you to suddenly be like I really convinced that I

242
00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,520
Speaker 1: had like maybe schizophrenia. Even though I couldn't hear spirits,

243
00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,240
Speaker 1: I thought I was having hallucinations. So I saw three

244
00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,200
Speaker 1: different psychiatrists in l A. And I was like, you

245
00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,559
Speaker 1: have to test me. I think I had this psychotic

246
00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,000
Speaker 1: break and everything came back normal, and I was like,

247
00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,080
Speaker 1: you're missing something. And then I went to at the

248
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,640
Speaker 1: time living in l A, I went to a called

249
00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,040
Speaker 1: the Psychic Guide Bookshop and I walked in and went

250
00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,439
Speaker 1: straight to the book's book shelf and I was just

251
00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,040
Speaker 1: trying to find something and the lady had walked up

252
00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,679
Speaker 1: to me and she was like, oh, you should look

253
00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,600
Speaker 1: at this book and it was something about medium ship

254
00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't do this. I muscle.

255
00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,520
Speaker 1: She was like, okay, you have a lot to learn.

256
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, why don't you take my class. Um

257
00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,160
Speaker 1: it's like with like wiccan one on one and I

258
00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,560
Speaker 1: was like, I must. I don't believe in this. I

259
00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,840
Speaker 1: can't do the stuff. Yeah, And so I went and

260
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,840
Speaker 1: it really opened them eyes. Energy work, So I started

261
00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,880
Speaker 1: learning about energy. Then I jumped from that to working

262
00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,360
Speaker 1: or studying with different um schools of thought and the occult.

263
00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,680
Speaker 1: So the O cult can also include obviously magic, and

264
00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,680
Speaker 1: I kept thinking there has to be a huge realm

265
00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,640
Speaker 1: to this with Islam. So I grew up reading Imma

266
00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,200
Speaker 1: Gazetti um e an Oudoby like, let me revisit that

267
00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,280
Speaker 1: and let me see if I can find the Islamic

268
00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,440
Speaker 1: version of this. All I'm working, like you know, forty

269
00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,920
Speaker 1: hours a week my career. Then I started meditating, and

270
00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,800
Speaker 1: I learned how to meditate through a Buddhist temple, and

271
00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,480
Speaker 1: I came across the shape in about two or three years.

272
00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,040
Speaker 1: From that whole things, I'm taking years of just learning

273
00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,920
Speaker 1: about the occult in general and different forms of the occult.

274
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,600
Speaker 1: Then I found a really great shape the ship I

275
00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,960
Speaker 1: worked with more just one on one, and he really

276
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,440
Speaker 1: helped me kind of circled us all back to source

277
00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,560
Speaker 1: and he taught me about Islamic meditation. He taught me

278
00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,880
Speaker 1: that Islam has their own chakra system and to work

279
00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,760
Speaker 1: with the names of Allah. So everything just kind of started.

280
00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this was years worth of studying. So then

281
00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,080
Speaker 1: I just decided, oh, maybe I should start helping people

282
00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,080
Speaker 1: on the side, like for fun, let me practice. So

283
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,320
Speaker 1: I started helping friends and word was getting out. And

284
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,640
Speaker 1: then after a few years, I think at that point

285
00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,920
Speaker 1: five years later was when my now husband was encouraging

286
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,040
Speaker 1: me to so can I ask you, throughout these years

287
00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,160
Speaker 1: of study, as you were trying to figure out like

288
00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,320
Speaker 1: what was happening and how to understand it in your

289
00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,040
Speaker 1: own kind of context. And really, I mean, I'm one

290
00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,760
Speaker 1: of those people. I'm an observant Muslim. Um, I just

291
00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,600
Speaker 1: think it's one source and it's just kind of branched

292
00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,160
Speaker 1: out into different ways of understanding, like the same things. Um,

293
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120
Speaker 1: you're still seeing spirits. And let me ask you one thing.

294
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,360
Speaker 1: You say you're saying spirits, you're not saying jin. Are

295
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,760
Speaker 1: they different things? I have gotten this question, and I

296
00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:14,160
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. So Jim does mean spirit. There's

297
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,920
Speaker 1: differents of gin. There's good jin, there's bad jin. Jim

298
00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,960
Speaker 1: can convert to any religion. And I used the all

299
00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,440
Speaker 1: encompassing term of spirit because Jim still shocks people. So

300
00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,560
Speaker 1: I just feel like spirit just hasn't easier. So when

301
00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,800
Speaker 1: you're saying you saw spirits, you're not saying you saw

302
00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,480
Speaker 1: like let's say, lingering dead people you saw like you're

303
00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,480
Speaker 1: saying jin. No, I can see both. So the first

304
00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,000
Speaker 1: apartment I had moved into an l a after this

305
00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,040
Speaker 1: whole event dying and coming back to life. Um, I

306
00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,680
Speaker 1: woke up more the night with the spirit in my face.

307
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,200
Speaker 1: She was missing eyes and a mouth. And later, when

308
00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:57,720
Speaker 1: the spirit is missing features, it's um a spirit who

309
00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,880
Speaker 1: suffering or a spirit of the dark. So that sleep

310
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,840
Speaker 1: paralysis that you get, that that means a spirit is

311
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,560
Speaker 1: trying to either enter your body, take your soul, or

312
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,240
Speaker 1: mess with you spiritually. And then the sleep procesis happens

313
00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,879
Speaker 1: usually in a specific time frame middle of the night.

314
00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,280
Speaker 1: So the sleep procesis, you know, happened. I was frozen

315
00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,119
Speaker 1: and the spirit is in front of me and just

316
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,879
Speaker 1: like my face and I just kept reciting Um the

317
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,040
Speaker 1: shah Haddah, the testimony of faith, and I ate the corsie,

318
00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,359
Speaker 1: and then eventually the spirit left. It was three in

319
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,040
Speaker 1: the morning. She came back to visit me again at

320
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,000
Speaker 1: three thirty three the next day and she told me,

321
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,400
Speaker 1: I need your help. I'm stuck. So I went back

322
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,000
Speaker 1: to UM that's like the guy bookshop. I told the

323
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,720
Speaker 1: lady what happened, and she's like, oh, no big deal,

324
00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,800
Speaker 1: you just need an exorcism on the apartment. It's like

325
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 1: what she came to my house. Turns out this girl

326
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,960
Speaker 1: was like wrong place, wrong time. She had been murdered

327
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,240
Speaker 1: in my apartment. Landlord didn't tell me, and her family

328
00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,399
Speaker 1: had no idea what happens, and she needed to be

329
00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 1: crossed over. So all this tack and I'm thinking, oh

330
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,200
Speaker 1: my god, I moved to like the land of like

331
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,960
Speaker 1: satanic work. Like I had no idea what any of

332
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,560
Speaker 1: this meant, so I didn't see her as her full self.

333
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,400
Speaker 1: I saw her as a suffering spirit. And then when

334
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 1: she traditions in that process of me watching the lady

335
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,600
Speaker 1: do the exorcism, she just elevated into pure white light.

336
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,359
Speaker 1: Then I was able to see her as her human self.

337
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 1: She thanked us, and then she ended up transitioning. Okay,

338
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:40,439
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this um, over the years,

339
00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,880
Speaker 1: other than this one spirit, like, have you had contact?

340
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 1: Is this like something that's happened more than once where

341
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,040
Speaker 1: you had the spirits of people have passed and come

342
00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 1: to you or jin contact you or come in some

343
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of encounter with you personally one on one instead

344
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 1: of you just seeing them, but actually engage you for

345
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 1: some reason. Just walking outside my house, if I'm walking

346
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 1: down the street, I can see if the spirit wants

347
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 1: to come and get a message out to somebody. But

348
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't go around offering, you know, on solicited advice

349
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of these shows you see people in

350
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 1: the camera spotor medium. So I don't do that, but

351
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 1: I do get a lot of dreams from spirits as well.

352
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: And I I've noticed when I wear a hat because

353
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 1: my our crown chapra sits on the top of our head.

354
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 1: That's the way mediums communicate is through the crown chapra.

355
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,440
Speaker 1: So if I wear a hat or cover my hair

356
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 1: of some sort, I'm not as open. Or if I

357
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: wear UM certain color clothing, or like I keep bracelets

358
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 1: on my left side, and that also tends to keep

359
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 1: me more grounded. I don't know why, but that works

360
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 1: for me. But I'm constantly on if that makes sense. No,

361
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 1: I can. I can understand that immicate of perceiving things

362
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 1: nobody else is perceiving. But I'm just wondering, how does

363
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,919
Speaker 1: that How how does that affect your own mental health?

364
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 1: I mean so, I think it takes an enormous amount

365
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: of UM patients and being grounded. So I have moments

366
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 1: where like, I just can't really socialize a lot because

367
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: people's energies can drain me a lot of time to

368
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: be with myself or to just be at home. UM

369
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: meditating a lot keeps me grounded. I chant so many

370
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 1: times throughout the day, not just protection phrases like the

371
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: shado or anything of ete of corsi, but just the

372
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 1: names of God, and that safeguards me. It doesn't get

373
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 1: overwhelming and less. I'm working with the client who has

374
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 1: a lot of darkness and the ginner. Of course, they

375
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: don't want to leave most of the time. So when

376
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: there's things like backlash and I'm kind of at like

377
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: spiritual war on behalf of the client, that's when they

378
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: can get um troubling. It can conflict where it affects

379
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: my daily life, or it can interfere between my husband

380
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 1: and I, like maybe we'll get an argument, for example,

381
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: But there are things that usually passed fairly quickly. There's

382
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: some disharmony, but it'll balance back out. So speaking of

383
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: your clients, um, so how how long? First of all,

384
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: have you been actually taking clients? Eight years? Oh? Eight years? Okay?

385
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: Are they mostly in California or like, is it across

386
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: the country? All over the world, So there's a COVID.

387
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm now primarily distance based. I can do healing work

388
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: from a distance, but clients find me out um all

389
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 1: over the world to heal them. I want to talk

390
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: to you about a couple of stories that I read

391
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: on your blog. The first story is it was. It

392
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of shocked me for a second, UM, because I

393
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you know too much about my my

394
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: work and and kind of like what I primarily do.

395
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: But it was a story about UM, a young man

396
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: I think who had been murdered and his family wasn't

397
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: a lot of distress, and you helped identify the suspect

398
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: in the case. Can you tell me a little bit

399
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: about that case first and what happened there? UM. I

400
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: can't get to go to a specific because they the

401
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: son was involved with UM. He was I think a

402
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: drug dealer, but very casually, like it wasn't his main thing.

403
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: He just dabbled in it from now and then, so

404
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: his family didn't know. So on the evening that he

405
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: ended up being murdered, it was because it was like

406
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: a drug deal gone bad and then happened at a

407
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: convenience store and there I think three people involved, UM,

408
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: and of course they all left so that nobody took accountability.

409
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: And then the police didn't do a very good job

410
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: because this was a Muslim family and small town where

411
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: these types of cases weren't really taken seriously, so they've

412
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: got a racial tension and the family had an idea

413
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: of who the who the perpetrators were because of um

414
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: the friend friend circle or the friend group. But I

415
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: just wanted more confirmation UM. So they asked me to

416
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: read on it. They gave me the names who they thought,

417
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: and because I can read energy, I was able to

418
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: identify who had the sketchy energy, like who had the

419
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: guilt and the remorse around their energy, And from there

420
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: I was able to go into a deep meditative state

421
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: to really connect with that person's soul and they revealed

422
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: so that person's their spirits revealed to me specific information

423
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: about the murder, like how the person was shot, which

424
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: I had no idea, or where the lacerations were, or

425
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: where he even ended up putting the gun man. I've

426
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: got chills right now, honestly have chills right now. So

427
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: that's why I chills. I mean that it's confirmation that

428
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is true. Whenever you get chills, that's

429
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: your spirit confirming what you're hearing is truthful. So when

430
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: you so, then what did you do with this information?

431
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: You went back to the family and said, this is

432
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: your family, and they told their mother, who obviously had

433
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: like she was devastated from this from my understanding, I

434
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: think they were able to reopen the case and the

435
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: guy ended up um admitting to it. Really he ended

436
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: up ye going to jail, but he I think the

437
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: guy needed the way out to finally confess. He needed

438
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: somebody to come to him. So the reason I was

439
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: kind of shocked when I read this is because, UM,

440
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, as an attorney, I don't know if you

441
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: know anything about the non said case. Have you heard

442
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: of it at all? Yeah? So I no him very

443
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: very very distantly from like his family from ISNA years

444
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: and years ago. You actually know a nonced family from

445
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: years ago, I mean very very like cast. That's crazy.

446
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: So you know, when he was seventeen, he was arrested

447
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: for our murder. I have been working since to help

448
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: exonerated None. We've done a lot, We've done podcasts and books,

449
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: an HBO series last year, um, and we are still

450
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: fighting to exonerate him. And uh, we've had two There's

451
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: been two times during the course of these twenty years

452
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: that different people have come to us or somebody who

453
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: is working with a non team to say listen, I've

454
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: had like this kind of experience that I can't explain,

455
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: but kind of a psychic. They weren't even psychics, but

456
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: they were like, we just saw something that we believe

457
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: is like information connected to this case. And honestly, when

458
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: I read that and your blog, I thought, I mean,

459
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: I would love it if you spent some time thinking

460
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: about this, because what I really believe with the Nons

461
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: case is that there's there there are ways you can

462
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: exonerate people through the court system, not exonerate, but you

463
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: can actually get their release for example because of technicalities

464
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: because they didn't get a fair trial. But an actual

465
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: exoneration means you find the person who killed the victim.

466
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: That's a real exoneration, right, So if none was released,

467
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: um because you got a plea deal or for any

468
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: other reason, the victim, Himan Lee in this case, would

469
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: really still not have justice because the person who murdered her,

470
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: we are certain is still out there. And uh, I

471
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: have a suspicion of who I believe it is, but

472
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: it could be a number of people obviously, so they

473
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if this is I'm just throwing

474
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: this out there. If you would be interested in looking

475
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: at this, I would be so thrilled if you did,

476
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: because definitely talked about it yeah, So have you done

477
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: other work with like in the criminal realm at all

478
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: or was that like the only time that you got magnitude?

479
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: But I have helped other people with identifying missing children

480
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: for example. I'm really for example, UM, I haven't promoted

481
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: myself like that, so those cases are very rare because

482
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: and I barely promote what I do online. I'm more

483
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: just referral based for right. I'm sure you are still

484
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: quite busy though with the referrals. Um. But so the

485
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: other question I wanted to ask you was about the

486
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 1: other story I wanted to talk about. I thought this

487
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: was really fascinating as well. It was a story where

488
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: you contacted this this person, I guess he was a

489
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: lawyer or somebody just out of the blue. You knew

490
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: him casually and said you had a dream that somebody

491
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: had come to you with a warning for him, somebody

492
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: named somebody named maher and uh and and when I'm

493
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: reading it now, I knew who Dr Mahaha Tooth was.

494
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: And you know, God rest his soul, blessed his soul.

495
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: An incredible pillar of the community and just an incredible

496
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: human being. For folks who don't know he he just

497
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: was one of the most tremendous American Muslims. I think

498
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: we've had the pleasure of Um having in our community

499
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: and and and his legacy lives on. So when he

500
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: died a few years ago, it was a big loss

501
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: to community. But in this dream, he visited you and

502
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: you didn't even know who it was. No, I had

503
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: no idea. So actually that story is about my husband.

504
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: I have him also. My husband's a criminal defense attorney,

505
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: so do also help him with his things. But you

506
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: know he doesn't have fun murder cases. I always encourage

507
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: him to take one. I'm like, I can help you.

508
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: So the night I had met my husband and we

509
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: talked about spirituality and met like Zaddie and all this stuff.

510
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: Um a few days later he I had the dream

511
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: with with Dr who I had no idea he was.

512
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: Even though I had been in l A for years,

513
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: I was not connected to the Muslim community. And I

514
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: called my husband and I told him, Um, I had

515
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 1: the stream. You're gonna think I'm crazy, but I have

516
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: to get this message to It's very serious. You probably

517
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: want to sit down. And he's like, I can handle it.

518
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: What's going on? And then I told him. Then he

519
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: paused He's like, Okay, now I think you're onto something

520
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: because what you just told me I had been thinking about.

521
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: I haven't told anybody. It's been on my mind for days.

522
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: So this really resonates with me. And then I got

523
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: the car versation. He's like, well, how do you even

524
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: not know who he is? He was this great pillar

525
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: in our community. He was like a father to me.

526
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: And how you even access this type of information? So

527
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: did you later? Were you later showing a picture of doctor?

528
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: How do it then? Where you like if that was him? Afterwards?

529
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: So the spirits come to me in their younger version

530
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: of themselves. Okay, okay, that's interesting. Yeah. Um so after that,

531
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: your husband, your to be would be husband in the future.

532
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: By the way, let me ask you this, have you

533
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: do you have like a sense of kind of like

534
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in the future? Do you have that

535
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: kind of ability as well? I can read energy, and

536
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: I can in most cases if someone asks me, like

537
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: what am I going to get married? I can give

538
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: them a timeline. I don't like to get too specific

539
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: with that stuff because I feel like I'm dabbling too

540
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: much in the fortune telling. And that's the way from

541
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: just that overall benefit of what my clairboyance can offer people.

542
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: But have been times I was able to predict something

543
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: and it came true. But I just don't hopus so

544
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: much on that part of what I can do. Yeah,

545
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: I have had maybe three or four dreams into my

546
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: life where I drummed something very specific in it and

547
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: it happened. Um. Most of them when I was younger,

548
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: And I do think as you get older, you just

549
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: get the material world just kind of sucks you in

550
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: and it takes you away from a lot of those abilities, um,

551
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: and you don't really spend too much time on them.

552
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: But I know, I know it happens, I've seen it,

553
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: I've experienced it myself. I want to ask you this though,

554
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: I read your article about gin possession um, which is

555
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: which is taking this whole thing to another level. It's

556
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: one thing to help heal people, it's another thing to

557
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: help people get rid of gin. Put like to be

558
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: an exorcist, right to help expel. So can you explain

559
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: to me, first of all, how you got to like

560
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: what kind of training does it take to do that?

561
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: So I do primarily work under like the guys of

562
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: our religion, and so if there is some type of

563
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: spiritual prescription I have to offer somebody. It's always going

564
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: to come from our religion. However, a lot of the

565
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: techniques I use, you can label it as coming from

566
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: a different occult tradition, but it works. But every spiritual

567
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: issue that's caused by a gin can be removed in

568
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: a very simple manner. It doesn't require all this production

569
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: that you see in the movies or that other um

570
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: the phrase gin catchers proclaim. It can get violence at times,

571
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: I've been strangled, at times I've been attacked by the

572
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: client because the gin is working through them. But it's

573
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: usually such a small part of how the healing happens.

574
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: So I do the healing through the dorot kaya dot rokya,

575
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: and it's a compilation of many verses from the Quran.

576
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Just the words of these verses are powerful enough to

577
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: dispel gion and gen are too overpowering, then you have

578
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: to use other type of modalities. So you know, I

579
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: heal through my hands. So Jesus comes through every healing

580
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: of mine. I don't have to call on him. Just

581
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: as soon as the fact has been recited, he's coming

582
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: down and working through my energy points in my hands.

583
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: My palms. The light that he sends through my hands

584
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: is powerful enough to dispel negative energy. So if it's

585
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: evil eye energy, UM, that can be removed through the

586
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: same Okay, Yeah, the gin to be extracted from the person.

587
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: You just I mean, it's like kind of engaging in negotiation.

588
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: So you I asked them who sent you? For what purpose?

589
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: If they were sent from a curse, that curse has

590
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: to be reversed before the gin leaves. The difference between

591
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: how I work so I was, so the gym is

592
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: kind of at the mercy of this curse, like they're

593
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: bound like okay, so so and this is different. So

594
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: the gym possession is the same him, yet also different

595
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: from being sent a curse or any type of hex.

596
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: If the curse in the black magic is not removed,

597
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: no Shapherd or Amen or Anybody's going to be able

598
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: to get that gin removed unless you break the curse.

599
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: So the reason why I feel like my work is

600
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: very effective UM versus other type of like leaders in

601
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: the communities, because they don't actually remove the magic. They

602
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: just focus on reciting put on and doing the dot. Okay,

603
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that they're fine. And if the person didn't

604
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: get better. It's because the person is not religious enough,

605
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: and that's not true. So I opened up the space.

606
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: I talked to the Jim. The jin tells me how

607
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: he was sent, what was done. They show me how

608
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the ritual was done, and either I just have to

609
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: completely redo it and reverse it, or I ask if

610
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: he wants an offering, for example, because they buy an offering,

611
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: then they're going to want an offering back. And it's

612
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: really simple removable At that point, I mean, that doesn't

613
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: sound simple. That sounds terrifying. Frankly, Uh, but how long

614
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? Is this is the kind

615
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: of thing that we've done in hours or days or

616
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: what are we Everyone's different. So I've noticed that people

617
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: who were um diagnosed with some type of psychosis, whether

618
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: it's bipolar schizophrenia, the majority of the time it's from

619
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: a really bad curse. I do believe that psychosis is real,

620
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: so I don't want to, you know, say that it's

621
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: made up or just a spiritual disease. But every person

622
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: who came to the mental health issue, I was able

623
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: to get them completely. I don't know if I'm allowed

624
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: to say cured. I don't know if I'm legally allowed to,

625
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: but relieved of their symptoms, so they were able to

626
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: get off their medication and live, you know, a healthy life,

627
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: all from just a series of healings. So the most

628
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: serious case I had dealt with was the guy in Scotland.

629
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: He had eighty GIN possessing him since he was about thirteen.

630
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I met him at thirty years old. I wasn't expecting

631
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: to even meet him. I was in Lon, didn't to

632
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: work with other clients. He came up last minute and

633
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: I was the whole thing got done in three days.

634
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: So the first healing took six hours and that was

635
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: a very long time. And then normally my healings take

636
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: about an hour to two hours. Then, because it was

637
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: such a last minute client, I didn't have time to

638
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: see him for the rest of the trip. He fell

639
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: out to l A two weeks later and in two

640
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: more days his whole thing was done. Magic was reversed.

641
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: He has been living such a great life since he's

642
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: office medication. Um, he finished law school, he's got a

643
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: great career like his life. What how does how does

644
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: that happen to somebody eight gin? That's like I mean,

645
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: that's is that it just happened over years, like one

646
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: gin attracts another, but it wasn't an entire army sent

647
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: to attack him, Like how does that happen? The original

648
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: curse brought a handful of gin, and because the way

649
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: the curse made him live his life, he dabbled in

650
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: up hall who dabbled in drugs, And so when you

651
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: drop your vibration that low and you get into those

652
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: types of activities, that invites more darkness and invites more spirits.

653
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: So people who talk about having a hangover, I've never drank,

654
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: so I don't know what it feels like. But when

655
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: people describe having a hangover to me, that means the

656
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: gym's gyms are just passing through them. They're trying to

657
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: leave their body. So the gym's enter you when you're

658
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: just drinking alcohol, and then it takes them time to leave.

659
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: And whether or not they stay depends on your spiritual light,

660
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: your physical and spiritual body, and if the gin wants

661
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: to live off of your life. So for him, it

662
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: got compounded over the years he had been in and

663
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: out of mental institutions, um get on a ton of

664
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: different types of medication, and the type of medication he

665
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: was on also drops his vibration, So when you're vibrations lowered,

666
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: then you're more susceptible to attracting darkness. Okay, but okay,

667
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: so I gotta say something about the alcohol thing. I mean,

668
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: what doesn't mean alcohol itself caused like the impairment, and

669
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: it has to as a as a physical substance, right,

670
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: like it's biologically moving through your body. It takes time

671
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: to wear off. I haven't had I haven't gotten drunk before,

672
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: but I've had niq will and I know what if

673
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I know what that feels like the Nike will hangover

674
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: the next day. Um so, But but I don't. I've

675
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: never understood like something like that to be gin. I'm like,

676
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: that says the alcohol of the Nike Will. So alcohol

677
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: itself is connected. I mean the Arabic word for alcohol

678
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: means spirits. Well yeah, actually we say spirits too interestingly

679
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: in English. Yeah, it's interesting. There's gin or spirits attached

680
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: to every element in this earth and off every substance.

681
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: So of course, how you know you can never be

682
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: completely immune to this, even if you're just going to

683
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: be in a case and pray all day. Prayer does

684
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: give us the light. So if you do get the

685
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: best it can most cases, you can relieve yourself of it.

686
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I just praying. Have you ever have you ever encountered

687
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: a case where you just you just couldn't like it

688
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: was such a strong hold that some jin had on

689
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: a on a person that there was just no way

690
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: to give them relief. No, really, Wow, that lot's amazing.

691
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Cases where it's taken me maybe three months, and again

692
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: I can do these things within a matter of days

693
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: if basically, um A lot of times if there is

694
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: if it takes longer, it's because the person isn't open

695
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: or willing to do their own spiritual work or there

696
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: in her work. So if they want to come kind

697
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: of stuff and it's narrative that they've been cursed and

698
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: that's why they can't move forward. It keeps them stuck

699
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: in a dart vibration. Yeah, without actually in the court. Well,

700
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: let me see this. You have you have clients who

701
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: are not Muslim, right right, So how do you okay,

702
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: how did those clients do the work if the work

703
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: is all based through you look at in an Islamic framework,

704
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: do you do they do that too? Well? I still

705
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: do the doctors, so they'll listen to the Koran ing Um.

706
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: I just I can speak to the more general terms,

707
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: and I also can advise them of what to read

708
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: constructor if they're Christian or Jewish, and I can also

709
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: heal them in more of the like spiritual general terms.

710
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: I see just saying, have have you ever witnessed um

711
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: a Christian or Jewish exorcism or one of a different tradition. No,

712
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: but I have Well I've seen exorcisms and other people

713
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: who weren't Muslim, but I haven't seen it from the

714
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: Jewish tradition. So let me ask you this. I know

715
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: this UM. I know this guy, and I actually tell

716
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: the story in one of the episodes UM without identifying

717
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: who it is. Uh. He is like an internationally known

718
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: national security expert. I mean, really, you know, somebody who

719
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: has a lot of credibility and all kinds of spaces

720
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: he testifies, like high level national hearings. And one night,

721
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: out of the blue, he told me that he UM

722
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: for a long time had a command over an entire

723
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: group of gin that would protect to him, and that

724
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: he could command them. And I know there, I know

725
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: this is a thing that can happen. I have read

726
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: this over you know, hit the histories and stuff. But okay,

727
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: is that something that you've ever like dabbled in, Like

728
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: do you are you able to do that? Like or

729
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: do you want to do that? Even like to be

730
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: able to control gin to make things happen. I do

731
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: have a fascination with that, because there's a part of

732
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: me that's controlling in the Capricorn take an immense skill

733
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: and dedication, and a lot of these gin require you

734
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: too fast for like forty nights or forty days, but

735
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: that it's just not my realm because I feel like

736
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: that teeters into a little bit of a great area

737
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: and then that then you're kind of getting into Islamic magic,

738
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: and so I haven't daubled in that. I'll can I

739
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: just tell you something. I'll be honest here. There have

740
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: been times, especially when I'm working over the twenty years

741
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: on a non's case, where I'm like, I'm so exhausted

742
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: from like fighting in the courts that I'm like, I

743
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: need to like summon a gin who's just gonna like

744
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: figure this out for me, bring me the evidence I

745
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: need to exonerate this man um. But I probably don't

746
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: have the kind of discipline needed for that. You can

747
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: do that are just as effective as working with jin.

748
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after the short break. So I

749
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: want to ask, um, gosh, this is so you have

750
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: give kids. By the way, I'm pregnant. But oh well, congratulations,

751
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Sorry I step children. Okay, okay, thanks great. So I

752
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you you so you said at the

753
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: top of of of our conversation that your parents are

754
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: not a little bit like not thrilled with this. Your

755
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: husband's encouraging. What about the rest of your family and friends?

756
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: Are people like kind of scared to be too close

757
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: to you because they're like, she can see me, read me,

758
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: know me way more than I want her to. Hum.

759
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: I So my parents, I think, just tell people I'm

760
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: married a little lawyer, and like that's what I do

761
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: for a living. Now, Um, got it? I mean they

762
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: know what I do. I don't think they ever. They've

763
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: never said anything to me they I don't know how

764
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: they talked about me to the family. Um for about

765
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: two years ago to three years ago. I used to

766
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: be so petrified as the labeling a witch, and it

767
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: bothered me when I would hear people associate what I

768
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: do with switch crafts. So well, the blog you wrote.

769
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: You said that the family you helped identify, you know,

770
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: the murder of their son ended up calling them, which, yeah,

771
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: that's terrible. Yeah. So about two years ago I went

772
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: through a weird um phase where a lot of women

773
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: in the community didn't want thing to do with me

774
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: because they kind as a witch. All of them benefited

775
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: from my service, by the way, But that made me realize, Um,

776
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: I don't need to seek validation for other people. I

777
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: don't need to prove myself to other people. I don't

778
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: need their approval. I know what I'm about, I know

779
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: my worth. Um, you know, God shows me to do this.

780
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm walking with God. So that kept me from yeah,

781
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: I mean getting out of that scenario. Now I don't

782
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: care what people call me. They can call me which

783
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: if they want, if they think I have all this power, okay, great,

784
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: if that were true, I would have won the lottery

785
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, but my parents, I think my mom

786
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: she doesn't like what I do because she's petrified it's

787
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: going to come back on me me. So like, now

788
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, she don't do anything. Just you of your husband.

789
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't work. Yeah, I was like, if you're educated,

790
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: just but this is this is a labor of love.

791
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not doing this because you're like, this

792
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: is how I'm going to make a living. You making

793
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: a living doing this I think is warranted and it should.

794
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody should do this kind of work without um,

795
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: you know, being compensated for it. But this is your

796
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: this is a calling. I feel like I'm living my purpose. Really,

797
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm still a writer. I still am gonna have a

798
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: book deal one day and I'll be able to work.

799
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: But I'm launching projects soon. I mean I have an

800
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: ascension deck, like I have other side projects. I have

801
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: a little brokaya box that I put together help you know,

802
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: cleans um. But I really love helping people and I'm

803
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: really great at what I do knock on wood and

804
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: the like relief that people have and the joy they

805
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: have gives me so much. Joint for helm. Well, let

806
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: me say this. I you, um are actually a fantastic writer.

807
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: You really are, and I can't I mean, you know, blogging.

808
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: Everybody can blog, and a lot of people write online, um,

809
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: but not everybody really has su such a great school.

810
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: You're actually very good writer. Can I ask you? I'm

811
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: curious this might not be connected at all to the conversation.

812
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: But what your book is about that you're working on?

813
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Are you've finished? Had? The manuscript I wrote years ago

814
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: was about this Muslim, fabulous woman trying to navigate the

815
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: dating scene in l A and and as a spiritualist

816
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: is believe it or not, you can't believe how many

817
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: men would not want to date me when they found

818
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: out that I was in a virgin I didn't drink,

819
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: of course. Amazing husband was the only guy who was

820
00:44:54,040 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 1: previously married before who had no problem my values. Um

821
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: and it was It's just kind of like a chick lit.

822
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: And then I ended up. Since then, I haven't touched

823
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: it since. But I turned that into the column clads

824
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: to product. Okay, okay, I just chopped up the chapters

825
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: in the section or installments. Now I'm writing about Islamic

826
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: gess terrorism. So I mentioned a little bit about how

827
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: each name of God is connected to a planet, and

828
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: each is connected to a letter in the Arabic alphabet,

829
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: which was also connected to an angel and to a gin.

830
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm delving more into spirituality. The very first

831
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: um election of the second episode in the series. This

832
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: interview series is with a Professor Ali Alumi. Are you

833
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: familiar with him? I followed him. I started following him

834
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: in Twitter a few months ago. He's phenomenal. He's phenomenal. Yeah,

835
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: and you should definitely check out that that interview. It

836
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: was great talking to him, and I did not It

837
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: wasn't until I discovered his threads that I knew. I

838
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: had never in all these years of growing up Muslim,

839
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm forties six years old, knew any of this. This esoteric,

840
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: like this whole world. And I want you to explain

841
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: to things to me, what is exactly what is esoteric?

842
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: What is what is being esoteric? What does esoteric mean?

843
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: And what is a cult mean? To you? What are

844
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: the differences between these things? So esoterrorism And I believe

845
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: the light of God and the light of the universe

846
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: the secrets of the verse, and I believe you can

847
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: access that outside of the sun. But the Slam specifically,

848
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: there's so much knowledge about the unseen and about how

849
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: to elevate and to connect a source and to live

850
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: such a god conscious life, and we're barely touched in

851
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: the surface of that. And how a Slam is taught

852
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: occult is more about the unseen world. Whether it's about

853
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: Gin or about um the intricacies of how magic works.

854
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: And I don't think magic is a bad thing. So

855
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: magic can be good, then magic can be bad. But

856
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: the words we speak are is a form of magic.

857
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: So prayer is a form of magic, and I think

858
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: that's very powerful. Here's what I'm wondering. I'm such a

859
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: late person, right, I feel like I'm I'm that kind

860
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 1: of person where if I touch this stuff it could

861
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: go terribly wrong. So do you have should you be

862
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: somebody who has either like a lot of spiritual discipline,

863
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: has a lot of like have has had years of

864
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: learning and practice, meditates because you know, there are fools

865
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: who can take this stuff and I think just really

866
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: mess up their lives with it. Yeah. So is this

867
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: really for the late person or should most of us

868
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: stay away from this stuff? I don't for some I

869
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: don't fear this stuff. I don't have fear of Gin.

870
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: Humans are more powerful than Jin. It's just a lot

871
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: of us get into fear and we feel like if

872
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: we dabble with it, they're going to take over our lives.

873
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Um, I do. I would love

874
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: to teach women how to be more spiritual and to

875
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: do what I do, because I think it's very important

876
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: for women to have these tools. I think everybody should

877
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: start at the basic, which is meditate and align yourself

878
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: with God and whatever definition God is for you. Align

879
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: yourself to sources, and learn how to really become so

880
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: rooted within yourself that you rooted with God so that

881
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: whatever obstacles come in your life, whether it is coming

882
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: from magic or whatever, you can handle it with grace

883
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: and with strength. And that's the essence of what I

884
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: try to help people with. So after the whole production

885
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: of the exorcism is done, I focus on how do

886
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: we keep you elevated in God's way so that if

887
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: this happens again, it's not going to be so catastrophic

888
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: to your life. I encourage everybody, whether they're male or female,

889
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: to tap into their spirituality because we are such strong

890
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: creative beings and we're not accessing like a tenth of

891
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: our own power. Because power, you don't need to conjure Gin.

892
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: You don't need to Conjuregin. I hope I don't have

893
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: to for the case at least. UM, let me ask

894
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: you this, how can you tell when you are contacted

895
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: by somebody who believes they might be possessed. How can

896
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: has it been a time where you've met somebody you said,

897
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: that's not Gin, that's maybe something else, Maybe it's something

898
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: in your life, depression, it's behavioral, like, how can you differentiate?

899
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: How can people know what how to heal themselves or

900
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: what they really need to heal themselves. So I've noticed

901
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: this general theme with women who are stuff and a

902
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: guy they think it's they broke up because of magic.

903
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: And so if I mean, I can clearly see when

904
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: magic is not somebody because I can read their aura

905
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: and I can see what's going on in the energetic field,

906
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: and if there's no Gin for me to talk to,

907
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: then I know that they're not possessed. They're not convinced

908
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: with it, like they're really looking for an excuse. That

909
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: tells me they are just stuck in a lot of

910
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: heartache and I can't get out of that emotional state

911
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: to really see what the reality. Others who maybe have

912
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: a lot of obstacles with finding a job, getting a career,

913
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: going um, A lot of those issues tend to statistically

914
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: be due to magic or some type of evil eye energy.

915
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: So there's common symptoms and then there's your common symptoms

916
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: of gin possession, like unexplainable pain or a medical condition

917
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: that UM doctors can't figure out or that medicine can't

918
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: even heal. Then you know, okay, there's got to be

919
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: a spiritual component to that. UM If they I feel

920
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: like every opportunity that comes to them doesn't come into fruition,

921
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: then you can assess, Okay, is this because of an

922
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: evil eye energy or is it because if they were

923
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: cursed that their roads are closed? So you learn through

924
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: if you can't see, like how I can see, you

925
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: can kind of diagnose by the symptoms. Veering off from

926
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: this question has nothing to this question. But I was

927
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: just as I've been doing research into the different kinds

928
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: of gin, I didn't know that there's a gin that

929
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: apparently is worn with you and die with you and

930
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: stays with you like it's like your gin, like your

931
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: the Karnean or Greina. Right, I believe that's your shadow self?

932
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: What do you believe that that is your shadow self?

933
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: Or what does that mean? What does that mean? So

934
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: that's a psychology term, but really are like our dark side.

935
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: We're all born with light, we're also born with darkness.

936
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: And that all into a big part of your ego.

937
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry to pay off. Oh no, no, no, okay,

938
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: that's interesting. No, that's good to know. So you don't

939
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: think that's an actual and actual physical gin um in

940
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: the way we understand there are other gen exists. You

941
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: think that's just like a an aspect of our own personalities.

942
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: We have our own spiritual guides, so have our own

943
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: spiritual counsel, and we have a guardian um. It's not

944
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: necessarily guardian angel. It's a guardian guide. And they can

945
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: be profits, they can be other beings from the time

946
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: of the Salan, or they can be from our ancestry.

947
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Can I ask you something? You said

948
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: you do um some healing online and you do. I mean,

949
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: obviously in covid era you have to do your work

950
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: online most of it. I'm sure. As you're sitting here

951
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: talking to me, do you get any kind of vibe

952
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: from me, any kind of sense for me? Is there

953
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: a darkness? Do you want me to be open? Yeah?

954
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: I do, I absolutely do. I absolutely do. What you're funny,

955
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: Robbia Chaundthy, you do have a dark energy that's attached

956
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: to the lower back and your lower abdomen, so that

957
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: if you have full pain that you can't seem to

958
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: get you know, treated or relief from UM. That dark

959
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: energy is stagnant emotional energy that you haven't processed fully.

960
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: You don't have a curse, but you do have somebody

961
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: is keeping you kind of like under their thumb, so

962
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: they work with the gin to try to suppress you.

963
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: It's not a curse. I want to stress that, UM,

964
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: and that is an involving your your public persona, so

965
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: like your ability to maybe have more achievements in your

966
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: work or in your cap or have more positive publicity

967
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: so that you can obviously easily break UM. There is

968
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: a lot of ancestral specifically from your mother's lineage, that

969
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: makes you feel like you're constantly having to fight, not

970
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: just in your yourself my mind, John, I'm gonna have

971
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry. Are you kidding me? Okay? Keep going

972
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: because this is like freaking me out, but keep going, Okay.

973
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: So that is what we call usually ancestral trauma or

974
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: oh god, I really want to stress that you're not cursed. Conversation.

975
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: That is probably the most damaging energy you're you're battling.

976
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to clear notus off myself

977
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: and have to be cleared from the entire maternal lineage.

978
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, So I just to respond to

979
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: what you've said, I am actually crying. Um. This is

980
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: a second interview I've done today, and I cried at

981
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: the early one too. Anyway. Um, So for years I

982
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: had terrible, terrible lower back pain from a very badly

983
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: inserted eper jural. It took years. It actually took after

984
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: about maybe ten years, I got hit jama done, which

985
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: is the cupping, and and that in one session removed it. However,

986
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: when you talk about my lower abdomen, I had a

987
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: very major lower abdomen surgery earlier this year, and I

988
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: had the surgery because it was necessary. I have been

989
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: unable to have it for years and I am still

990
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: after eight months recovering from it, and I still feel

991
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: pain from it. And there's a lot of emotional baggage

992
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: from it. Um. So that's shocking. As far as a

993
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: person hold trying to hold me under the thombach, I

994
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: don't know who that is, but I'll say whatever prayers

995
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: it is. Um, not even so much that I am

996
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: craving or seeking anymore. And her success. I'm content, but

997
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: like I said, I really do want to get it

998
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: non home and also in general, you don't want people

999
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 1: to not like you. But the matriarchal thing, Uh, there

1000
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: is a lot of trauma in the women on my

1001
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: mother's side and it is uh, maybe the greatest source

1002
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: of of stress in my life. Um, including an aunt

1003
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: who has mental health issues who just last week I

1004
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time trying to find her housing.

1005
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: And I mean it, but oh my goodness, I can't

1006
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: even But you know, when you say you have to

1007
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: cleanse that from the whole line, I don't even know

1008
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: how to start a word to begin on that. So

1009
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: and so if you have any suggestions, I'll take that.

1010
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: Now you're a dominant thing is It would be really simple, Thicks,

1011
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: if you decided to get this done spiritually. Um, it

1012
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: would be a combination of obviously what I would have

1013
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: to do on my end, but then you would have

1014
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: to take your diet just a little bit for a

1015
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: few weeks. The ancestral trauma, incestral energy. Um, nobody, if

1016
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: nobody fights like the woman in my mom's family, nobody, right.

1017
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: That usually takes a good like twenty one to thirty

1018
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: days to really uproot. And it can be um hard

1019
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: to go through because it requires hard on you in

1020
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: terms of emotionally, like a lot of episodes might be

1021
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: coming up for you. You You might have a lot of

1022
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: dreams that might be difficult, or memories that come up.

1023
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: But um, it's imperative to cleanse it because you don't

1024
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: want your bloodline to continue suffering. I had a very

1025
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: smart thing in my family and it took six months.

1026
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: I've been I've been dealing with it for forty odd years.

1027
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I can. I can if it takes

1028
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: six months, I'm willing to put in the work. So, Jehan,

1029
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: you might have made yourself another client. So I'll be

1030
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: following up with you soon on some of these things.

1031
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: My goodness, thank you so much. It's been an hour.

1032
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: I can honestly could go on and on. I just

1033
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. The stories that you hold and the

1034
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: work that you do is not just helping people, but

1035
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, even as an attorney when I

1036
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: was practicing, you carry the burden of your clients pain

1037
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: and difficulty and suffering with you. So the fact that

1038
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: you're able to do that, um, for the sake of

1039
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: helping people. You know, that's amazing. So may you know

1040
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: God bless you and your continuing your work. And when

1041
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: we wrap up, I'm going to tell our listeners where

1042
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: they can find all of your work. And I really

1043
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: hope to see your book get published because I will

1044
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: certainly be one of your first readers. But thank you

1045
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: so much. If you want to get in touch with

1046
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: John and find out all about her and read her writings,

1047
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, she's a fantastic writer, just check out her

1048
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: website again. It's j Mancy dot com. That's a welled

1049
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: J M A N s y dot com and there

1050
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: you will find links to her various blogs. Also, if

1051
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: you scroll down to the bottom of any one of

1052
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: her web pages, you'll see handles for Twitter, Instagram, and

1053
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Facebook and you can contact her there. You can also

1054
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: book a session with her by clicking on the page

1055
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: titled Rukaya Center, and can also check out her shop.

1056
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: Right now, she's selling this beautiful deck of cards called

1057
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: the Ascension Deck that has um this gorgeous calligraphy and

1058
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: the names of God on them. They're really beautiful. Um So, anyhow,

1059
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that. I hope you follow her

1060
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram. She does great videos. Um and reach out

1061
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: to her if you if you have questions or anything,

1062
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: and I hope, well we get to have her back

1063
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: on sometime. I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much

1064
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: as I did. Now there are as many people in

1065
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: the world with Jin stories as there are gin, so

1066
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: if you have one you'd like to share, make sure

1067
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: to email it to me at the Hidden Gin at

1068
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. That's the Hidden Gin. Th H E

1069
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: H I D d N d J I n N

1070
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And until next time, remember we

1071
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: are not alone. The Hidden Gin is a production of

1072
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Grim and Mind from Aaron Mankey.

1073
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: The podcast is written and hosted by Robbiah Chaudry and

1074
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: produced by Miranda Hawkins and Trevor Young, with executive producers

1075
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. Our theme song

1076
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: was created by Patrick Quartetz. For more podcasts from I

1077
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

1078
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.