1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Ludington and iHeartRadio Podcast. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello Call. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: It crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: What It Is. I Kamila Ludington. I'm flying solo for 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: this episode today. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: And before I tell. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: You guys about our amazing special guests that I'm really 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: excited that we have on today, I want to talk 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: a little bit about last week's episode. So obviously I 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: revealed that I had Hashimoto's hypothyroidism, and I have to say, you, guys, 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: the feedback from all of you has just been really 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: incredible and has felt. 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 2: So support and I've been reading so many of. 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: Your comments and I'm overwhelmed, honestly by how many of 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: us in this Call It community also have thyroid diseases 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 3: or you've had your thyroid removed and you're experiencing very 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: similar symptoms. And I asked you guys for any questions 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 3: you had to send them our way, and you guys 20 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: absolutely followed through. One person I kept seeing come up 21 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: online was doctor Isabella Wentz Now. She is a pharmacist 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: and a functional medicine expert who became a leading voice 23 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: in thyroid health after her own diagnosis of Hashimotos hyperthyroid 24 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: itis in two thousand and nine. So many of you 25 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: have read one of her books. It just kept coming 26 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: up and it was called the Hashimotos Protocol. And I'm 27 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: very happy to welcome her onto the podcast. Doctor Weed's 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: welcome to call it what it is. 29 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me, Camila, such a 30 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: pleasure to be here with you. 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit about your journey? 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Sure? So, in full disclosure, I was never interested in 33 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: the thyroid land during my own training. It wasn't until 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: I was diagnosed myself with hashimotos in two thousand and nine, 35 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: after about a decade of some really confusing and debilitating symptoms, 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: is when I decided that I was going to figure 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: out how to get myself better, and then I was 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: going to help others do the same. So I became 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: a hashimotives expert by ways of being a bit of 40 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: a human guinea pig and being my own experiment. 41 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 3: I think it's amazing to have a doctor and talk 42 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: to somebody that actually understands the experience because it is 43 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: very confusing. 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: What are some of the symptoms. I'm interested that you. 45 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: Were feeling for a long time that you felt could 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: have been something else but then ended up being hashimotos. 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: I would say unrelenting fatigue, where I was just chronically exhausted, 48 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: and everybody would say, you need to sleep more, you 49 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: need to sleep less, you need to exercise more. Have 50 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: you tried this? You know, you're just getting older. And 51 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: I would say that was the most damaging symptom because 52 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: it took so much of my life away in my twenties. 53 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: Then there were symptoms like panic attacks and anxiety, which 54 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: were not really part of my personality and they sort 55 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere, and you know, of course 56 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: people would say, oh, well everybody's anxious. You're in graduate 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: school or you're working. This is hard, this is big 58 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: girls stuff. Of course you're going to be anxious. And 59 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: then there were symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome and brain 60 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: fog and hair loss, where I would go to see 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: different experts and they would say, oh, the hair loss, 62 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: this isn't related to this, or this isn't related to that. 63 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: So I would go to see some like a specialist 64 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: for pain for my carpal tunnel syndrome, and then somebody 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: to help me with acid reflex and it was just 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: very confusing because the symptoms were all over the place. 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: It affects so much and that's what I'm learning, and 68 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: affects so much of your body, and so it does 69 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: feel like these symptoms are sort of all over the place. 70 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 3: I'm going to jump into all the questions, so is 71 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: that we can get through as much as possible because this, 72 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: you know, we had such a huge response from people, so. 73 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: I think people were very shocked. 74 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: Can you let us know again how commonness is and 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: why you believe it's more common in women? 76 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: That question came up a lot. 77 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: Hashimotos sounds like an exotic Japanese sword fighter, but it's 78 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: actually very very common condition affecting one in five women 79 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: at some point in their lives. Typically pregnancy, puberty, and 80 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: perimenopause are going to be the peak three times when 81 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: women are diagnosed. There is a school of thought that 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: believes that hormone changes, you know, all of our hormones 83 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: talk to one another, can be one of the primary 84 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: reasons why women may be more susceptible. 85 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: Wow, okay, is it something that is hereditary and genetics? 86 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: So I have a daughter, is she more likely to 87 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: develop something like this because I have it. 88 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: It's an interesting condition because it's both hereditary, but it's 89 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: also environmental, and so you can have identical twins if 90 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: a condition was purely genetic both if one twin had 91 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: the condition, the other one would as well. That's not 92 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: necessarily the case with hashimotos. So if my twin had it, 93 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: then I would have a greater chance of having it, 94 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: but not one hundred percent chance, So we know there's 95 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: a big environmental fact. We do know that children are 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: going to be at greater risk if parents who have 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: the condition. Interesting studies have shown that the dad having 98 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Hafshi motos, there's going to be a much more higher 99 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: likelihood that the children will as well. With moms, it 100 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: can be hit or miss. I do think it's an 101 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: important thing to monitor and be aware because a lot 102 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: of times hashimotos can start for five, ten, fifteen years 103 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: before we get a proper diagnosis, and sometimes that can 104 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: show up in children in different ways than it could 105 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: show up in adults. For example, children might have growth issues, 106 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: teenagers might be extra extra moody. We might have young 107 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: women in their twenties and hashimotives might show up as 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: irritable bowel syndrome. Then we might have women in their 109 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: thirties and hawshimotives might show up as trouble trying to 110 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: conceive or multiple miscarriages, And unfortunately a lot of times 111 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: this diagnosis is missed, which is so amazing that you're 112 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: raising awareness about this and you've gotten your own diagnosis. 113 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: So I want to touch on something that you just 114 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: mentioned there, because we did have a lot of questions 115 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: about this. People were wondering do women with hashimotos need 116 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: to take extra precautions when they're pregnant or breastfeeding and 117 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: can't affect your fertility. 118 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: It could absolutely impact your fertility. So having not enough 119 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: thyroid hormone on board, which is going to be an 120 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: advanced stage of hashchimotos, can lead to trouble with getting pregnant. 121 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: It can lead to miscarriages. It can also lead to 122 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: developmental delays in the offspring. Having hypothyroidism can lead to 123 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: trouble with breastfeeding, so you may not make enough breast milk. 124 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 1: It can lead to postpartum depression. And then there's also 125 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: the hypothyroidism piece, which a lot of I think endochronologists 126 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: and doctors may talk about, but there's also the autoimmune 127 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: piece where a lot of functional medicine practitioners tend to 128 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: focus on that. The autoimmunity when you have the elevated 129 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: thyroid antibodies, that can actually interfere with fertility and implantation 130 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: as well. That can impact our ability to carry a 131 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: baby to term, and that can also be associated with 132 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: issues like postpartum psychos postpartum health issues, So it is 133 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: extra important to make sure. I would advocate for every 134 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: woman trying to get pregnant to test for thyroid antibodies 135 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: and to test for thyroid function, to make sure that 136 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: was dialed in because you're going to you're going to 137 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: feel so much better, you're gonna have a greater chance 138 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: of getting pregnant, and your babies are going to be 139 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: much healthier. And if you're already on thyroid meds, you 140 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: also need to adjust your dosage when you first get pregnant. 141 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, people are going to need more thyroid hormone 142 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: to ensure that the baby gets enough right because babies 143 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: and when they're still developing right top thyroid glands, so 144 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: they depend on moms circulating thyroid hormone and that helps 145 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: with brain development and so many other important parts of 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: the baby's growth. 147 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: How do they test ren like, what do they need 148 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: to specifically ask their doctors. 149 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: For when they're going for their labs, What do they 150 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: need to be doing? 151 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: So I would ask for a panel, a full thyroid paneling. 152 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: If you were to go into an office and say 153 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: I want my thyroid tested, the H tests would be done, 154 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: which is very helpful for advanced cases of thyroid dysfunction, 155 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: but it can actually be normal in the first five 156 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: to ten years. And so you also want to ask 157 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: for thyroid antibodies. The two most commonly associated with hashimotos 158 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: are going to be thyroid peroxidase antibodies and thyroglobulin antibodies 159 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: TPO and TG is how I have people just write that, 160 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: and then I look at the thyroid hormones. In rare cases, 161 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: somebody might have normal thyroid levels of TSH, and they 162 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: might have they might not have thyroid antibodies, but there 163 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: might be a communication breakdown between their pituitary gland that 164 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: secretes TSH and between the actual thyroid hormones that are present, 165 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: and so T three and T four hormones are also 166 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: we want to look at and I would say that 167 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: would be a minimum for me, for every woman in 168 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: the child bearing ages, anybody with weird symptoms like anxiety 169 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: or fatigue, or pain or even irritable bowel syndrome. 170 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, now I was seeing a lot online people 171 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 3: talking about my TSH level looks normal, but I'm still 172 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: feeling awful. Why is that most of my clients feel 173 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: best with the TSH between point five and two, and 174 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: really anything above I would say two point five is 175 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: going to be suspect. 176 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: Where I've seen dozens of lab tests that people have 177 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,359 Speaker 1: brought to me and their doctors will say, your TSH 178 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: is five, or TSHS six or seven or eight, that's normal. 179 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: We don't need to do anything where personally, I felt 180 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: like a sloth when I had a TSH of four 181 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: point five that was wearing two jackets in the middle 182 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: of a scarf and just all over the place. And 183 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: so this is going to be another important reconsideration. And 184 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: then of course there's the autoimmune component. So you can 185 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: have a normal TSH, but if you have really high 186 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: thyroty into bodies, these santibodies can be leading to a 187 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: whole host of different symptoms such as anxiety, such as fatigue, 188 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: just an overall feeling of unwell. And then of course 189 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: we have to look at the thyroid hormones. Sometimes that 190 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: TSH might be high, it might be normal, it might 191 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: be low, but we also want to take a look 192 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: at what's actually happening. Do we have enough of those 193 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: thyroid hormones to bide thyroid receptors. 194 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: So now is that a different kind of medication because 195 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: when I got diagnosed, I got put on lee both 196 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: by roxine. If your TSH is now normal, but you're 197 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: noticing in your panel that other things are not, is 198 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: there an additional medicine that then you should be taking, 199 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 3: or prescription you should be taking, or supplement for sure. 200 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Definitely, if you have a TSH that's normal but you're 201 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: still not feeling your best, I would look thyroid hormones. 202 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: T four is one of the main active thyroid hormones, 203 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: and levothyroxine is the same as T four. Now we 204 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: also have T three that gets converted from T four, 205 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: and T three is the more physiologically active hormone. Generally speaking, 206 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: when your T three levels are dialed in, you're going 207 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: to have beautiful hair, lots of energy, your metabolism is 208 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: going to be working really well for you. Your brain's 209 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: going to be working for you really well. And on paper, 210 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: the T four to T three conversion happens really really nicely. Right. However, 211 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: in the human body, in some cases, a person might 212 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: be taking levothyroxine and their body just doesn't convert enough 213 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: of it to that T three and end up having 214 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: a lot of thyroid symptoms even though they're on thyroid medicine. 215 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: And so this is where other types of thyroid hormones 216 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: can come in in prescription format, so you can take 217 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: T three directly. There's a medication known as cytaml or 218 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: leothyronine that could be added to the T four. Some 219 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: patients might benefit from using a natural desiccated thyroid medication 220 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: like armor thyroid, and this is derived from animal thyroid 221 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: glands and has some T four and some T three 222 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: in it. Or patients might wish to get compounded versions 223 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: of T four and T three and just the right 224 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: ratios for them. And then, of course I always like 225 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: to look at what are the underlying reasons why somebody 226 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: might not making might be making that conversion. So why 227 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: why are you getting all this T four but your 228 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: body's not making enough T three from it, and a 229 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: lot of times it has to do with low iron status, 230 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: it has to do with stress. It can also be 231 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: an issue when you're living is overburdened, or you have 232 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: nutrient efficiencies. So we can do a lot of different 233 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: we can do a lot of different things to optimize 234 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: those pathways. But for some people it's easier just to 235 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: take a teethreecontaining medication directly. 236 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you so much for that, because I know 237 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 3: a lot of people are still not feeling great on 238 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: their medication. There's a lot of talk online and this 239 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: is where got confusing for me. Should we be avoiding 240 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 3: gluten and dairy? 241 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: For me from a practicality standpoint, I tell people, why 242 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: don't you try a gluten free diet for three weeks 243 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: if you improve? And some people are like, I'm never 244 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: this is never going to work, And then all of 245 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: a sudden they're like, holy cow, so many things improved. 246 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: I have so much less inflammation. And your body will 247 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: tell you the other reactive foods are going to be 248 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: dairy and soy. So about eighty percent of the people 249 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: that I've worked with feel better dairy free. About seventy 250 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: eight percent of the people feel better soy free. The 251 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: other major dietary change I recommend is blood sugar balance. 252 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: So generally speaking, maybe not in LA but a Western diet, 253 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: we want to eat more protein and carbohydrates potentially more 254 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: of a more healthy fats versus being very very dependent 255 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: on carbohydrates. So getting on like a very blood sugar 256 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: balanced diet can be very very helpful for people because 257 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,359 Speaker 1: the blood sugar swings actually really can impact hashimotos antibodies. 258 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: Okay, I love Okay, that's great. That was actually my 259 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: next question, so it's perfect. Okay. 260 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: Is there a link between breast implants and hashimotos? 261 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Rest Implant illness can be a potential factor for various 262 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: types of autoimmune disorders in some women have observed that 263 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: their health started really declining once they had breast implants 264 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: put in right. I have had some clients, and definitely 265 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: there are clients that never had breast implants and still 266 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: had hashimotos right, but getting them their breast implants removed 267 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: would be has been a really big game changer for 268 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: them as far as they're lammatory markers and feeling their best. 269 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I've had clients that were eating the cleanest diets and 270 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: trying to do everything perfectly well on thyroid medications and 271 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: still not thriving. And then they would connect with a 272 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: breast implant surgeon and in some cases they might have 273 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: leaky breast implants or perhaps some growths around them that 274 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: could potentially what can happen is they can essentially stimulate 275 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: the immune system and upregulate it, so you end up 276 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: attack sucking whatever pathogens are perhaps growing as myri gland 277 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: that may cross react. 278 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: Okay, what about a link between UTIs and hash motos. 279 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: That's a very interesting link. So typically UTIs can be 280 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: caused by E coli and CLUBCILA. I did a bit 281 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: of an outcome survey with some of my followers and 282 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: clients to see if there was a connection there, and 283 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: about fifty percent of people mentioned that before the onset 284 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: of hashimotos they struggled with urinary track infections. Wow, the 285 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: UTIs themselves or all of the antibiotic treatment that follows, 286 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: and that really challenges that got microbiome which helps us 287 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: absorb all of our thyroid nutrients. But there's definitely a 288 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: connection there. 289 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that's fascinating. 290 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 3: Okay, So I think one thing that's been asked a 291 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: law is so someone was saying, someone wanted to know 292 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: their fourteen year old just got diagnosed and her TSH 293 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: was ninety one Mine was ninety seven point five and 294 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: eighteen months ago I had normal labs. 295 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: Sup, I guess, and. 296 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 3: Is there does that mean that like I had no 297 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: hashimotos before that it could have or could have been 298 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: like lying dormant. 299 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely so. There are different stages to hashimotos. Five 300 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: have been described. The first stage is essentially just the 301 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: genetic predisposition, So for all intents and purposes, you don't 302 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: have thyroid antibodies. There's no attack against your thyrog land, 303 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: and your thyroid function is normal. The second stage of 304 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: hashimotos is when you start having an attack against your 305 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: thyroid land. Typically this is going to present with elevated 306 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: thyroid antibodies, so high levels of those TPO and TG antibodies, 307 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: but your TSH might still be perfectly normal, and your 308 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: thyroid hormone levels might still be perfectly normal. Then the's 309 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: stage three, but you might still be symptomatic just because 310 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: of those thyroid antibodies. Stage three of hashimotos is when 311 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: you start seeing a little bit of a gradual rise 312 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: in TSH where you might have a TSH of up 313 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: to ten. And then stage four is when your TSH 314 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: goes really high above that eight or ten mark. Your 315 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: T four T three may get impacted. Stage four is 316 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: when most people actually get diagnosed. But everything else starting 317 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: stage two could have been going on for five, ten, 318 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: fifteen years, so it could have been marinating in the 319 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: background where you're fire goin, could have been under attack, 320 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: but it was still compensating. By stage four, you've damaged 321 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: the immune system, has damaged enough of the thyroid gland 322 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: where your body is no longer able to compensate. It's 323 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: just essentially shouting PA is more thyroid hormone and setting 324 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: out more of that TSAH signal. And then stage five 325 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: is progression to other autoimmune conditions. I'm a big proponent 326 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: of getting an early diagnosis. So can we figure out 327 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: when you're in stage two that you have thyroid antibodies, 328 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: and we can work on reducing those thyroid antibodies so 329 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: you don't progress to overt hypothyroidism, and we prevent five, ten, 330 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: fifteen years of getting the run around going to psychiatrists, 331 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: going to pain doctors, going to all these different places. 332 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: Because you have no idea what's going on, and nobody 333 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: can figure out why you know, why you're sick, why 334 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: you're struggling. 335 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: Am I more likely because the sort of mine ended 336 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: up being very severe right when I got diagnosed. 337 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: I'm I now in a situation where. 338 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 3: One auto this autoimmune disease can go on now to 339 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: lead to another. 340 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: Am I more susceptible to that? 341 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: If you have one autoimmune condition, you're going to be 342 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: at greater risk for additional autoimmune conditions. 343 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: If someone is you know, has a ninety one like 344 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: this lady is saying that her daughter has, or like 345 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: a ninety seven point five like I. 346 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: Have, how quickly are we able to feel better? 347 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, you can feel significantly better in about ninety 348 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: days or so with a really elevated tsage. It might 349 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: take you a few months of starting thyraid meds and 350 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: then following up retesting your levels. You don't want to 351 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: go on like a super megadose right away and want 352 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: to figure out exactly how much your body needs, and 353 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: that may take a few months to really tight trate 354 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: up to that target dose for you and starting the 355 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: lifestyle changes. In lifestyle interventions, people could feel better within 356 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: a few weeks few days, depending on if they do 357 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: the right type of intervention. I typically walk people through 358 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: a ninety day protocol and they do start feeling better 359 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: within the first week or so. 360 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: What does that protocol look like? Can you break it 361 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: down for us? 362 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: Focus? We focus a lot on nutrition, so getting through 363 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: a blood sugar balance diet. We might cut out gluten, dairy, 364 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: and soy for a period of thirty to ninety days 365 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: to make sure those are not an issue for that person. 366 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: And then we really start focusing on supporting some of 367 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: the body's own pathways. So for example, a lot of 368 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: times people have a hard time with conversion of thyroid hormones, 369 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: so I have them support their liver function to help 370 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: to process various hormone, various toxins in our environment, and 371 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: this can help them feel better in about two weeks. 372 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: Then we really focus on their stress response. We might 373 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: use thiamine for energy production, we might use some we 374 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: might use some adaptogens like ashwaganda to help them calm 375 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: down their stress response, and we'll do that for about 376 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: a period of four weeks, and then we'll really dial 377 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: in some gut health. I typically work that a little 378 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: bit longer. A lot of times the there are triggers 379 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: that bring on the autoimmune conditions. Sometimes they are related 380 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: to having chronic stress in your life. Sometimes they're related 381 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: to a toxic exposure, and sometimes they're related to a 382 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: gut infection. And so we're just trying to dial those 383 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: things in and cover all of our bases to get 384 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: a person into feeling better and into that remission state 385 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: so that their thyrid antibodies aren't continually destroying their thig land. 386 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: Some people online are talking about how they've been able 387 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: to put their hashimotos into remission naturally without taking any medication. 388 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: Is that I guess My question is like, is that real? 389 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: Like can you really do that? 390 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: Definitely in the early stages, Okay, write in stage two 391 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: of hashimotos and you don't have any damage to your 392 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: thiry land, then you can absolutely take on lifestyle changes. 393 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: Selenium and myoinocetol in the very early stages. When used together, 394 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: they seem to have a synergistic approach where the thyroid 395 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: antibodies can lower and normalize, and even like very I 396 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: guess I would say small disruptions in thyroid function can 397 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: be normalized, and so the very early stages, you can 398 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: utilize something like that for two to three months and 399 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: you can absolutely get into remission. Now, if you're in 400 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: stage four of hashimotos and you've had ninety percent of 401 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: your thyro gland damaged, you can absolutely still do all 402 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: the lifestyle interventions. They're going to make you feel a 403 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: lot better, they're going to reduce your thyroid antibodies, but 404 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: you're still going to need to be on some kind 405 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: of thyroid hormone because you know, we can't necessarily grow 406 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: back at thyroid in this day and a. There are 407 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: some innovative companies that are trying to figure out a 408 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: way to do so, but we're not there yet right 409 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: maybe in five years, but at this point, we do 410 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: have to take thyroid hormones when we are in those 411 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: advanced stages. 412 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: Okay, so that would be me. A lot of people 413 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: are asking it. Can your thyroid affect your sex drive? 414 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, both for men and for women. So thyroid hormones 415 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: can impact our testosterol levels. Interestingly, I will say women 416 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: typically complain about hair loss on fatigue and waking, and 417 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: men will come in because of sex drive issues, right 418 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: or they can't grow a beard, So just thyroid hormones 419 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: themselves can absolutely impact our libido and sex drive. 420 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: Can birth control mess with your thyroid? 421 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: That's a really interesting question. When I first started researching hashimotos, 422 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: I thought about that question and it made sense to 423 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: me that the birth control could do that. I wasn't 424 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure, but I look at all the 425 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: different pathways with alterrain gut microbiome, with changing different hormones, 426 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: as well as the impact on various vitamins and nutrients, 427 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: and it made a lot of sense to me. In 428 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: recent years, large scale studies have actually come out and 429 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: confirmed this that yes, getting on birth control pills can 430 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: potentially lead to THYROI dysfunction. So this is something I've suspected, 431 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: but just recent very recently, the research has confirmed. 432 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: Okay, somebody else has asked what age should you get 433 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: regular blood checks or general health checks. 434 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 2: We have a lot of young listeners. 435 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: Gosh I would say at eighteen. I have a son, 436 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: and as much as he hates blood work, we try 437 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: to do it on an annual basis. We put some 438 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: numbing cream on his arm. He plays a little bit 439 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: of Minecraft, and I do think it is important to 440 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: be proactive with our health and especially if you have 441 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: a family history and if you've got anything weird going on, right, So, yeah, teenager, 442 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: that's moody. Or maybe she doesn't have her period, or 443 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 1: she's losing her hair or gaining weight or losing too 444 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: much weight. Let's get some blood work for her. And 445 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: it takes a few few minutes. You know, I'm I'm needlephobic, 446 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: and I do it, so I've yeah important, Okay, And 447 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: can you could you be I have my daughters eight 448 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: years old. Could you be eight years old and this 449 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: be something that happens to you or is that very rare? 450 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: It can happen in children. It tends to be more 451 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: common around puberty. 452 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, that's that's great for everyone to look out for. 453 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: If people are a stage four like me, is their 454 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 3: hope because sometimes there's a lot of doom and gloom 455 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: when I've been on TikTok and it gets so overwhelming it. 456 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: Have you seen women men with you know, ninety seven 457 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: point five maybe even in the hundred something extreme be 458 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: able to feel normal again? Have you and have their 459 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 3: levels returned to normal? Oh? 460 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I see it all the time. So it is 461 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: some work that you have to put in so you 462 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: have to probably dial in a few things. If your 463 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: thyroid has been dysfunctioning for a while, you might have 464 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: to You might be nutrient depleted, so you would want 465 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: to address nutrient deficiencies. B twelve, ferretin, vitamin D are 466 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: some of the ones that come up in addition to 467 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: doing you know, the thyroid hormones. Typically I would say 468 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: we might need to adjust a few different things to 469 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: get you back on track. But absolutely, and I've had 470 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: women who are in their seventies and eighties, and by 471 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: following some of these lifestyle changes, sometimes it's as simple 472 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: as starting on one nutrient. You know, depending on what's 473 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: going on within their bodies, they can be completely transformed 474 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: in three, five, seven days. Sometimes sometimes it doesn't put 475 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: longer they've got more going on. But one example that 476 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm always excited to share is thiamine. Women with thyroid 477 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: fatigue and low blood pressure. Some of them, when we 478 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: would give them around six hundred milligrams of thiamine, they'd 479 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: have a resolution of their fatigue in like three to 480 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: five days. I've had women wow stability for twenty years 481 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: and with the addition of thiamine, even though they had 482 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: been on thyroid meds and tried some other things. They 483 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: were able to get a complete remission of their fatigue 484 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: and they started to feel human again. So definitely you 485 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: can get there. I'm so glad that you were diagnosed, 486 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that you took charge of your 487 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: own health and ordered your own labs, because sometimes we 488 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: have to right ourselves. And now you're doing you know, 489 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: now you're doing the research and figuring out what things 490 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: you need to dial in. I think a lot of 491 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: us do have to advocate for our own health doctors. 492 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: You know that everybody's a little bit different, So one 493 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: person might be super well first in something, and another 494 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: person might just be very much by the book where 495 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: they learned that thiray disorders are no big deal and 496 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: you just need to give this one medication and if 497 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: somebody has ongoing symptoms, they're probably just making it up. 498 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding. That's what some people have learned. 499 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: No, I'm saying that a lot online, a lot of frustration, 500 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: a lot of people not feeling by like they're being 501 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: heard because their labs are t stage. It's coming back normal, 502 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: and it's overwhelming. 503 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: It can be very challenging. It can be very overwhelming. 504 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: One of the challenges I've seen is that some people 505 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: simply do better on natural desiccated thyroid. They tend to 506 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: have for whatever reason, their unique biochemistry responds much better 507 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: to that of the synthetic medications and the natural desicated 508 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: thyroid hormones. They contain T four, T three, and perhaps 509 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: small amounts of T one and T two that may 510 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: play some physiological actions. And unfortunately, these medications are commonly underutilized. 511 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: Many practitioners don't know how to work with them, and 512 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: recently the FDA has asked for them to be removed 513 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: off the market. So there's a lot of challenges we 514 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: need to advocate for ourselves. 515 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: Okay, can we still enjoy alcohol? 516 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: So I've had alcohol, I've had mohetoes, and I've had 517 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: margaritas and all kinds of things, and this is definitely 518 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: something that you can enjoy in moderation on your healing journey. 519 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: I would commit thirty sixty to ninety days and just 520 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: just try to focus on eating a clean diet. Blood. 521 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: We know wine, as much as we love it, it can 522 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: cause a lot of blood sugar swings, right, Yeah, blood 523 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: sugar swings hypoglycemia or even too much blood sugar can 524 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: really impact those thyroid antibodies and increase the aggressiveness of 525 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: the attack on the thyrid land. And so I say, 526 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, generally, in my protocols, I'll have people go 527 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: for at least two weeks off of alcohol. That doesn't 528 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: mean you'll never be able to have alcohol again. You 529 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: know you can. In many cases, you can introduce a 530 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: lot of the foods and dairy and all the things 531 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: back into your body. But some of the things initially 532 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to recognize what your individual triggers 533 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: might be. Like I had no idea that I had 534 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: irritable bowel syndrome, carpal tunnel syndrome, horrific bloating despite all 535 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: the pilates classes I went to and how flux And 536 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: within three days of going gluten and dairy free, all 537 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: that was gone, and that different things are triggering you. 538 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: Gluten and dairy are being some of the more common ones. 539 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: For some people, it's alcohol. I have random strange foods 540 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: like pineapple, that's a trigger. But it's a matter of 541 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: figuring out, like what's kind of messing with your immune system, 542 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: what's messing with blood sugar right, and how to dial that. 543 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: In before you go. I want to just reiterate because 544 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: I want you just to repeat one last time for 545 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 3: anyone listening to this as thinking, wait a second, I 546 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: have anxiety, I'm tired, I'm my hair spinning, or any 547 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 3: combination or one of these and wants to go to 548 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: their doctor. I would love for you to just repeat 549 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: one last time what they need to be asking for 550 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: to find out if there is a thyroid issue in play. 551 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: To find out if you have a thyroid issue in play, 552 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: you definitely want to ask your doctor for a TSH 553 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: test that's going to see if your pituitary is responding 554 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: to your thyroid hormone levels. You're going to want to 555 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: ask them to check for T three and T four hormones, 556 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: and you definitely want to ask for thyroid antibodies. The 557 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: two most important ones are going to be thyroid peroxides 558 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: antibodies and thyrodglobulin antibodies. You can ask for TPO and 559 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: TG antibodies. They'll know what you're talking about. Often max 560 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: these antibodies can be elevated for five, ten, fifteen years 561 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: before we see a change in TSH. 562 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 2: This is so informative. Thank you so much. 563 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 3: I was equally comforted and horrified about how common this is, 564 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 3: and thank you, and I would love to have you 565 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 3: back on the show again. I'm sure we're going to 566 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: get more questions from the listeners, but thank you so 567 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 3: much for being here. I feel more educated. I had 568 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 3: so many of these questions myself. I think it is 569 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 3: so confusing when you're reading everything and you sort of 570 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: don't know what you should be doing, and it's an 571 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: overwhelming diagnosis when you get it. But I think that 572 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: you've really made sense of so much of this and 573 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 3: it's just so encouraging. So thank you for being here 574 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: and educating all of us. 575 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for raising awareness about this topic. 576 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: I know it's probably not something that was on your 577 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: radar until you were personally diagnosed, but know that you're 578 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: making a big difference. 579 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: Just thank you. 580 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: I know that you will heal and you're going to 581 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: find ways to get yourself feeling better. It's absolutely possible. 582 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: I think sometimes there's a lot of doom and gloom 583 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: online because people come there to complain, but I think 584 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: it's also important for us to share stories of healing. Yes, yes, 585 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm an example of that, and I have a lot 586 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: of friends and colleagues and clients who are also examples 587 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: of people that have taken charge of their health and 588 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: healed themselves. They don't have any more symptoms, they're thriving, 589 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: they're living their best lives. I would love to have 590 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: you on my show with Thyroid Pharmacists Healing Conversations. I 591 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: would love that you can share your healing journey and 592 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: we can inspire other people to take charge of their 593 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: own health. There's so many solutions out there. You can 594 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: absolutely live symptom free. If you got caught in the 595 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: early stages, you can definitely get the condition into remission 596 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,479 Speaker 1: in most cases. And then there's also ways to dial 597 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: in your thyroid hormones even if you got caught in 598 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: the later stages. It just takes a little take a 599 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: little bit of time, and it does take advocating for yourself. 600 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: Amazing. Thank you so much. I will happily go on 601 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: your podcast anytime. All right, guys, I'm so happy that 602 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 3: we got to talk to her and pick her brain 603 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 3: and ask her all the questions. Honestly, sometimes I was 604 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 3: just thinking this is I was talking to her sometimes 605 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 3: when I realized that I was so severe. You know, 606 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 3: she's talking about TSH levels that are way lower than mine, 607 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 3: and then I'm like with my almost one hundred. But 608 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 3: I know that there are listeners out there that are 609 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: also you know, you guys are in the stage four 610 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 3: like I am, and and I think that this brings 611 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 3: a lot of comfort and a lot of hope. 612 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 2: And for any of us. 613 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 3: Listening to this and just thinking, like, you know, I'm 614 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: really tired all the time. Maybe it's not just me, 615 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 3: Maybe it's not just me being a mom and all 616 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 3: those things that we just discussed, really advocate for yourself. 617 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 3: Go get tested, because to have an answer like this, 618 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 3: even though it's intimidating, is just so helpful. Please send 619 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 3: us any more questions that you have. I will continue 620 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: to have her on the show. I'm going to continue 621 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 3: to take you guys on this journey with me. I 622 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 3: think it's so important, and for now I will call 623 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 3: it 624 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: The end of the episode.