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Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for the fifth episode of it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Darry and It's a scary one. Hello. My

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Speaker 1: name is Rosie Night, and welcome back to X Revision,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. We are coming to you from iHeart Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we'll be bringing you three episodes a week and

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Speaker 1: news on Saturday. In today's episode, as you may have

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Speaker 1: guessed by the intro, it's just me today talking about it,

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Speaker 1: but we do have an incredible interview that me and

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Speaker 1: Jason did with Captain Paulie Russo himself, Rudy Mancuso. Just

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Speaker 1: such a charming interview and a big part in this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. And as I recap, I'll be bringing in

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Speaker 1: the Scream Queens to join me. So don't worry, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm not solo out here fighting it.

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Speaker 2: I've got my very own Losers.

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Speaker 1: Club, or as I would call them, the Lovers Club,

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Speaker 1: because you guys are not losers. So yes, join me

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Speaker 1: and I will begin. Welcome to Dry episode five. We

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Speaker 1: pick up right after episode four. Taniel is seizing up

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Speaker 1: foam coming from his mouth.

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Speaker 2: No, I love Taniel. Dick is a complete and art

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Speaker 2: a mess.

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Speaker 1: It's going badly for him, and the mayor and the

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Speaker 1: General are there, but Dick is like, hey, there isn't

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Speaker 1: I'm fucking up and I'm freaking out.

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Speaker 2: We're here, we got it. I know where it is.

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Speaker 1: And the General is like, okay, now I can tell

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Speaker 1: you what's going on, And of course that means we

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Speaker 1: skip to go and see Marge, who I have to say,

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Speaker 1: after cutting out those ice talks, PHI honestly not that bad.

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Speaker 2: Like I thought we were gonna get a much more

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Speaker 2: gruesome situation, just a lot.

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Speaker 3: The spacing of like where she was when she has

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Speaker 3: the table saw and she's going after her icetalks. I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, she's not close enough to do any

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Speaker 4: I do think.

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Speaker 3: Marge is too back on her feet, but well, we

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Speaker 3: one gripe with the show right now is everyone gets

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Speaker 3: heal too fast or gloss over too quickly. When Marge

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mat helping.

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Speaker 5: How It's like, is it real or is it not?

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Speaker 5: Is it well?

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Speaker 2: I have to say as well.

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Speaker 1: I will say I do think that my first thought

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Speaker 1: her and this might have just been us, But I

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Speaker 1: also did think, did penny Wise let it not be

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Speaker 1: that bad? Because we'd kind of already had the penny

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Speaker 1: Wise playing through Marge maybe and the penny Wise like

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Speaker 1: possession elements and the Penny So I was interested about that.

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Speaker 1: But really the real I am as we learn here

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Speaker 1: is that even Marge basically now is on the team.

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Speaker 1: That's really what this gets us to is Marge believes

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Speaker 1: that Pennywise as well. Marge believes Lily about everything. It

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Speaker 1: a bad friend. You should have had her back before this.

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Speaker 1: But this is realistic, and this is very realistic to

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Speaker 5: And she grows up to be a better person.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, fingers cross, Marge, because you're not letting. You're not

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Speaker 1: doing well for the chubby.

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Speaker 2: Girls right now, like I was.

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Speaker 1: Really, you're not repping for the people who wear glasses

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Speaker 2: Like that, you're not making us look good.

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Speaker 1: So back at the kids' clubhouse, which they have now

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Speaker 5: I think so universal kid experience, right it is.

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Speaker 1: It's that That's why slasher movies and horror movies have

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Speaker 5: It's a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. And speaking of nightmares, we get this

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Speaker 3: Sell he's fifteen now and he's starting a punk band.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is old in this episode. Guy, we have to

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Speaker 5: So basically, there's a big time there's a.

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Speaker 1: Big time jump here, not cininically, but to do with

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Speaker 2: And I believe this was a post strike gap.

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Speaker 3: The film before and after both strikes. There's strikes, there's

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Speaker 1: And some of the kids have evolved and some of

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Speaker 1: unintentionally the strikes the universe. We now have teenagers here

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Speaker 1: who were ten the week before. But we're used to

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Speaker 3: Has an impact. I think too, I just want to

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, no, this is bad. This doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't bode well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of things that don't bode well, this fucking general

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Speaker 1: he's driving me fucking mad. So he decides he's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell Leroy finally about the pillars and the it and

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Speaker 1: the alien and guess what. It crashed down a million

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Speaker 2: We knew that law and basically.

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Speaker 1: The local indigenous community was able to trap it within

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Speaker 2: This sounds made up?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, go to the house right now, you

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Speaker 1: and you better, you better capture penny Wise.

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Speaker 2: And then I guess, like.

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Speaker 1: Drop him on Moscow or whatever scheme they have to

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Speaker 3: I love that every time somebody questions them, Who's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: what's really the place that we're gonna make their cage smaller?

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Speaker 2: It's like what you're trying to trap the demon?

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Speaker 1: I mean the real truth is like, as we all know,

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Speaker 3: But is there anything true this guy has said, he

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I do think that to me, it's

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Speaker 1: very clear that whatever they really want Pennywise for or

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Speaker 1: it as they call him, it's not just about this

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Speaker 1: Cuban missile crisis.

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Speaker 2: It's about having a fear.

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Speaker 1: Weapon that they can use not only on other countries

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Speaker 2: Exactly that's the genus.

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Speaker 5: And stranger things kind of yes element there as well,

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Speaker 1: You can really tell how much the law of Stephen

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Speaker 1: King influenced Stranger Things by how much? So much of

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Speaker 1: this feels like Stranger Things, even though this was the

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Speaker 1: prior the existing ip. But yes, so anyway, Hanlan's like, bro,

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Speaker 1: how could you let me bring my entire family and

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Speaker 1: there is like a demon alien?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And you want me to trap him? What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: And the generals like I can't, that's honestly true, Like

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Speaker 1: You literally are in the town dairy mane that is

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Speaker 2: Him more for what purpose?

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Speaker 1: to Teddy, Phil and Susie, the people that we saw

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Speaker 1: It ate Teddy's brain fill alive for now, but it's

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Speaker 2: Ronnie has watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ronnie is like, let's go to the police, and

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Speaker 3: Lily is the one who's like, hey.

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Speaker 2: Are you I would Ronnie want to go.

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Speaker 3: It's Lily who's like, let's go. Ronnie is still kind

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Speaker 1: No cops, no cops, and he'd rather go back to

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Speaker 1: the Seers, which, yeah, I would also say that the

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Speaker 1: fact that Mattie is saying no cops and he'd rather

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Speaker 1: Derry is just as fucked as we thought. And even

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what is really scary, and I think we

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Speaker 1: I want you, and it makes so much sense in

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Speaker 1: the context of everything that we know the show is

443
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: playing in. So then we get Mattie. He leads the

444
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: kids to the pipe. They take three pills each and

445
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: they head down, and guys, I gotta say.

446
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: How did make out there? Don't just trust that, Mattie.

447
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: That could be some pennywise situation.

448
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: Guys like I love like, I love the but anything

449
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: could be, and they are not being wary enough of

450
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: that for me. Taniel leads him to the cusp, and

451
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: it's then that Leroy realizes Dick and several of the

452
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: guys are gone.

453
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: Taniel's like, fuck it, I'm out of here.

454
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: You guys are crazy. He runs away, but he drops

455
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: the comet dagger. I do not believe he did not

456
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: have like a good sheath for that thing. I feel

457
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: like somebody would have made him yeah, or like right

458
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: around your neck or something bad news. But I'm guessing

459
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: that that means that will be there for somebody else

460
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: who needs it. Dick's grandpa is mad in his dream

461
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: that him and the granny are talking with the shining

462
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: Grandpa has uh huh, and Grandma warns Dick not to

463
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: open it. Grandpa opens the box and shit just gets

464
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: really crazy. Like I gotta say, Charlie is just absolutely

465
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: fucking killing it.

466
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Speaker 3: Wod.

467
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: Galeran.

468
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: This is the kind of role that Scatman Carruthers made

469
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: so iconic that it is very hard to reimagine. But

470
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: scatmank Cruthers was also not given the space and existence

471
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: in the Stanley Kubrick book that he was given in

472
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: the Stanley Kubrick film that he was given in the

473
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Stephen King books. So it's really nice to see Ham

474
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: then actually get to be properly explored here and get

475
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: to show his entire experience rather than as a magical

476
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: saving trope, you know. Instead, here we get to see

477
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: all the things that have impacted him and what he

478
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: has gone through.

479
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: The kids slush around. They are hire as shit. Richie

480
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: and Marje vibein.

481
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 1: They're seeing like beautiful Zack Snyder esque lens flares everywhere

482
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: like great. This is like a peak kid adventure. I

483
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: have sorry if anyone who is an adult who cares

484
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: about me is listening to this. But I was a

485
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: young child who would hang out on the railway tracks.

486
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: We had railway tracks that ran through our town, and

487
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: we'd hang out on the edge of them. So I've

488
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: held some hands in some dangerous situations. It feels wonderful

489
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: in the moment, but they will learn soon it is

490
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: not wonderful. We then see that Russou and Handlan are lost,

491
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: and we are getting to some of the scariest stuff

492
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: we've seen in the show now, guys, and we're also

493
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: going to bring up some very interesting questions here about

494
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: Leroy Hanlan's fear and the assumption that he does not

495
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: feel fear by the American government. We see Charlotte run up,

496
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: Russo doesn't see her. It's actually penny Wise. Leroy realizes

497
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: he still sees his wife as dead, but Russo can't

498
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: see shit. The body swims away, and Handlan tells Russo

499
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: shoot everything that doesn't make sense down here.

500
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: If you see your fucking teacher, your pee teacher.

501
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 5: Shoot him.

502
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 7: Oh.

503
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: And then, speaking of scary stuff, the kids find Susie's corpse.

504
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: All the others gross dead. Matty starts singing, his head

505
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: splits open. Come on, guys, I was trying to warn

506
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: you about this.

507
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

508
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: And then Lily sees real Matty's corpse.

509
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: This is actually penny Wise, and he changes into his

510
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: true form. Here we get that penny Wise moment. It's

511
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: really scary, and poor old Lily she falls behind Russo

512
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: and Handlon hear the kid's yelling. Will comes round the corner,

513
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: and just as Hanlon is about to shoot him, Russo.

514
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: Realizes he can also see Will, and he screams, no, no, no,

515
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: no no, don't shoot him.

516
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: He's real and he jumps in front of Will, pushes

517
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: him out of the way, and takes a bullet and dies.

518
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: And this is such an incredible moment, and it's why

519
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: we have Rudy on the show talking about this story

520
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: and why he took this role. Because Rudy is not

521
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: a full time actor. Rudys a musician, Rudy is a creative.

522
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: Rudy is a writer, Rudy is a comedian, and he

523
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: took this role because he's friends with Andy and Barbara Machette,

524
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: and they basically said to him, Hey, we need someone

525
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: who can make this feel like it matters this moment,

526
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: and it does. It feels absolutely heartbreaking, and Hanlan realizes

527
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: in that moment, I think what true fear actually is, Like,

528
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that he under whatever they've told him in

529
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: that moment he knows he can feel fear and fear

530
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: as something is happening to his family, and he is

531
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: so sweet and kind and tries to hold Rudy and.

532
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: It's just really beautiful.

533
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: But before you know, we really get to deal with

534
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: Leeory having to come to terms with this, we see

535
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: that Lily is trapped and penny Wise is closing in,

536
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: and of course, penny Wise plays into her greatest fear,

537
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: thanking her for convincing everyone to come down here.

538
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, guess what. Guess what you did this?

539
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: You bought all of your friends down here, and thanks

540
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: for doing it, because now I can kill them all.

541
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: But guess what, guys, Lily's right.

542
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Next to bro the Tannil comet shard a little bit

543
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: comet ex Mackinna, and that was We saw.

544
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: A lot of really scary versions of penny Wise, but

545
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: him frozen with the teeth like maw giant wide open.

546
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: Oh he gave me the he I was like, Lily girl,

547
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: I gotta just pissed my pants and said I can't

548
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: move like.

549
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: I would have probably had an honestly.

550
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: Like, he's so close to almost eating her, and I

551
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: just feel like I also okay. So that was really scary.

552
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad Lily's alive. I worry about this shard being

553
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: in her hands. Lily, we love you, girl, but you

554
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 3: have not made a lot of wise decisions over the

555
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: course of your Pennywise interactions.

556
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: You have also just been proven that you once again

557
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: got tricked by penny Wise.

558
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: Like emotionally played, I.

559
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Would also say, I I think something I would love

560
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: that I would hope happens before the end of this season.

561
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: We need an indigenous kid from that community to be

562
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: a part of this group.

563
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: Agree, Like, there's there's no reason not too.

564
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I love Tangielle, I love the actor who plays Taniel,

565
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: but let's bring that age down a bit. I know

566
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: there are kids, there was Rose. Let's bring someone in

567
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: who knows how to wield it or who at least

568
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: understands it, even if it's more in a funny way,

569
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: kind of like Ritchie and his bad misunderstanding of you know,

570
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: Breweria and stuff.

571
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: Like, let's make sure that this isn't like, we don't need.

572
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: Lily holding that thing to fight it, Like, I know

573
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: who can hold it to fight it, and it's not hers,

574
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: and so let's see what happens. But I could imagine

575
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: some kind of Tannial Dick Haller and team up. I

576
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: feel like that would be interesting. So I want to

577
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: see more Taniel. I want to see more of that.

578
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: But yes, as we get out of the sewers, we

579
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: learn that Hank is hiding out in none other than

580
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Ingrid's car.

581
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: Now, this was a huge shock for me.

582
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: He makes her drive away and it's very clear that

583
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: this is the married white woman that he has.

584
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: Been sitting around with. Bo they try and.

585
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: Work out their next move, and this is just so

586
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: crazy to me, considering of what we've seen of Ingrid

587
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: before and where this is going to.

588
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: Go, said.

589
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: Dressed, I'm interested. We love a complicated woman. We love

590
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: a naked lady who runs around. Okay, you can't have

591
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: exploitation us.

592
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: We support old ladies, please put them back on. Back

593
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: at the base, Handlon is debriefed about the ARP and

594
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: the gen is like, so sorry that when left. Russo

595
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: was a great guy, love that, but you know he's dead.

596
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: What what about the other side?

597
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: Just what happened?

598
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Well, the General's like, well, I'm gonna just prosecute Taniel

599
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: and the Native community for abandonism down there, and just

600
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: like shut the fuck up first of all, and Lee

601
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Roy is like, I'm just fucking.

602
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: Going home and Dick is missing. Now this is the.

603
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: Really scary stuff because we end up and we see

604
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: Dick wandering around wondering out of that drain pipe.

605
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: He sees russo so we know that it's a vision.

606
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: The open box was crazy. The open box was crazy.

607
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: At the end.

608
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: It really blew my mind because it's like, okay, we know.

609
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: Grandma was like, you cannot open that box. Dick was

610
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: surprised his grandfather found it. It's something that he buried.

611
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember the speech from the Shining, but

612
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: there's something about like putting things away in a box,

613
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: locking it up, and like hiding it. So his grandpa finds.

614
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: It's his grandpa who actually crushes the lock and opens it.

615
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: And now I'm wondering, is Dick Dick anymore or penny

616
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: Wise inside of him the same way we saw him

617
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: rifyingly climb out of Maddie.

618
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

619
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: I feel like Dick is not okay, though.

620
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: I feel like good is not okay.

621
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: But he is very powerful, and I do feel like

622
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: they're setting up kind of a Dick penny Wise it

623
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: mental showdown.

624
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: The quote from Dick is he says you can put

625
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: things from the overlook away in boxes, but not memories.

626
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: They are real. They are the real ghosts. You take

627
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: them with you, and so the box thing is like

628
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 5: a metaphor throughout. Also doctor Sleep, you know, it's like

629
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 5: trapping those evil like demons inside your mental like mind box.

630
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: It's a thing that does a lot. Also because in

631
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 5: DreamCatcher not a great movie DreamCatcher, he also uses.

632
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: This unless you love farting, Yeah, unless you.

633
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: Love farting and all of that. He uses the uh

634
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: the mind palace as yack, a sort of.

635
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: Very Hannibal lecter.

636
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: I think Dick has the power to get through this

637
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: and to battle Pennywise, but I am nervous and you

638
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: know what to talk about this incredible episode. Thank you

639
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: so much, Common and Joel for joining me. This is

640
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite episode.

641
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

642
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: I think there's so much scariest, so much intrigue, so

643
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: much emotion, and yet to talk about this. We are

644
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: gonna jump to an interview after this break that me

645
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: and Jason were lucky enough to do with Pauly Russo himself.

646
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: Rudy Mahews.

647
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, guys, thanks so much for joining us.

648
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

649
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 9: Tell us about your experience filming this extremely gory, scary,

650
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 9: and very fun show. It Welcome to Derry Suck.

651
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: Hated every second of it.

652
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 8: It was uncomfortable.

653
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: They treated me poorly. No, there was nothing short of

654
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: the extraordinary.

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00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 7: You know, as a fan and then also as a

656
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 7: close friend of Andy and Barbara Musquetti, this was one

657
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 7: of the safest and the most interesting and most comfortable

658
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 7: places to rome creatively.

659
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: I am not a full time actor.

660
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Speaker 7: In rare instances, I do some acting, and it's usually

661
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 7: inspired by Andy and Barbara's genius. So as a storyteller,

662
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 7: as a musician, as a filmmaker, and as a fan

663
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 7: of this, this iteration of it, it was a dream

664
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 7: come true.

665
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, yeah, I was going to ask

666
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: you about that specific thing. How do you balance all

667
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: those different parts of your creativity and when you're especially

668
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: because now you're stepping in from making stuff yourself, being

669
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: a self made creator, into a space of there is

670
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: forty fifty years of cannon.

671
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: So many people love it. You yourself are a fan, Like,

672
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: what is that? What was that transitional step like for you.

673
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, I see it less as different different umbrellas, and

674
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 7: to me, it's all sort of one big umbrella. Like

675
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 7: my musicality informs how I act and make jokes and

676
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 7: approach dialogue, and the way I direct is very much

677
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 7: much inspired by all of the the years of videos

678
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 7: I made, auditioning some of these ideas, and it's like

679
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 7: kind of all it all comes from the same place,

680
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 7: even though even though they're different departments, it's all one

681
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 7: big hub of creativity. Whether it's acting in something like

682
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 7: this or creating something entirely different, that's that's my own.

683
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 7: They're all sort of woven. And I'm a big Stephen

684
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 7: King fan, A big I'm a big Andy and Barbara

685
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 7: Muschetti fan. Uh, And I got to I got to

686
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 7: experience both in this.

687
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 9: Tell us about that relationship with the Mischties and and

688
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 9: how that informs your work with them.

689
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they I went from being fans of them,

690
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 7: like I said, to being friends and now you know, family.

691
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 7: I see I talk to Andy every day, Andy and

692
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 7: or Barbara every day. I see him a few times

693
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 7: a week, probably see him tonight fair soccer. I've very

694
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 7: lucky to call them my older brother and sister at

695
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 7: this point, and we creatively respect each other very much

696
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 7: and have almost we made a vow to incorporate each

697
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 7: other in each other's work in some way forever. So

698
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 7: you know, Andy's in my film musica. He put me

699
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 7: in The Flash, he put me in this and now,

700
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 7: and now we have a film, a musical we're developing

701
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 7: together right now.

702
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: So so yeah.

703
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 7: I think if you're lucky enough to collaborate with your

704
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 7: your friends, people you love and respect and admire, and

705
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 7: also they're talented on top of it, you can create

706
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 7: some really cool things.

707
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, who's your soccer team?

708
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Seeing as I'm from England and Jason and I both

709
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: watch sports.

710
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 7: I'm bigger Knopoly because of my dad, So that's more

711
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 7: about that. Incredible, Yeah, and then when it comes to soccer, yeah, absolutely,

712
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 7: And when it comes to Brazilian soccer on my mom's side,

713
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 7: it's flam Angle.

714
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: I love this. So you've been following all your life.

715
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: Then by force?

716
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, same, I understand. I understand

717
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: that deeply.

718
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: When it came to working with Barbara and Andy on this,

719
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: how did the collaboration come apart? Was the character of poorly.

720
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: Some of you guys were like collaborating on to craft it.

721
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: Did they present it to you and say, here's what

722
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: the story is going to be.

723
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: What was that process?

724
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 7: Like, Yeah, so fairly early on, and he was telling

725
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 7: me about the development of Welcome to Darius, it as

726
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 7: a series and the time period that it took place in.

727
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 7: I was compelled in that very moment because it was

728
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 7: always a dream of Andy's but also a dream of

729
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 7: me of mine as a fan, to see this within

730
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 7: the context of the sixties, you know, where the actual

731
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 7: original source takes place, which is a dream to bring

732
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 7: to life. And he told me fairly early like, you know,

733
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 7: there's this character kicking around, I think it would be

734
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 7: really great for you. Because we both agreed it was

735
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 7: sort of an extension of who I really am. I

736
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 7: know this guy, this Italian American, you know, quick witted, reactive, uh.

737
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: Napoleon complex, little shit. I know this.

738
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 7: I know this guy because he's inside of me.

739
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 9: You mentioned being a fan of Stephen King. Are you

740
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 9: a fan of horror also just the work of Stephen King?

741
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 9: How do you feel about the scary stuff?

742
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of great storytelling and cinema and TV

743
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: and music.

744
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 7: I'm not necessarily a fan of of of horror as

745
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 7: a genre, but again, like, when what a story is

746
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 7: so compelling and the filmmaking is so uh sophisticated, I'm

747
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 7: in So are my favorite films horror films? No? Mostly

748
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 7: I would say no, but but like and my favorite

749
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 7: Stephen King story that then we're adapted into films aren't

750
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 7: classically horror. Their their chance. They're suspenseful and dramatic. But

751
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 7: like I love stand By Me, I love I love Shawshank, Redemption, I.

752
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: Love Green Mile. I did like it because I thought

753
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: it was fucking weird.

754
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 7: The original TV movies and Courage we were in Strength

755
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 7: and it was like somehow it was like kind of

756
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 7: cool and interesting, quirky and jovial, but then fucking horrific.

757
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: I was like, that's interesting.

758
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 7: But then I saw twenty sixteen Andy Muschetti's Andy Barber's It,

759
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 7: and I'm watching this thing, and I'm I'm not one

760
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 7: to go watch a horror film in theater, Like I'm

761
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 7: not into the jump scares.

762
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 4: I know it's part of the language of horror and thriller.

763
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 7: To have you know, that spring and that sound design

764
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 7: and that creepy music and then the jump scare and

765
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 7: the disturbing image.

766
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 4: But like, that's not scary to me, that's a little

767
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 4: bit cheesy, that leans that leans cheap to me sometimes personally.

768
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 7: But then you get every so often you get something

769
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 7: as sophisticated as as it that blends beautiful romantic filmmaking,

770
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 7: classic style of filmmaking with really really horrific and horrifying

771
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 7: set pieces and performances that to me was compelling.

772
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: And I think that and and you know, films like Get.

773
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 7: Out are have contributed to this resurgence of a respectable

774
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 7: version of elevated horror and thrillers.

775
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting that you brought up like the

776
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: stand By Me and the Green Mile and Shawshank, because

777
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: those are very like emotionally tied stories and you really

778
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: get to kind of take part in that Stephen King

779
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: legacy of like the Kid's Adventure, the kids coming together.

780
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: The storylines of this season really converge in the sewers

781
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: where you are with Leroy and in this kind of

782
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: journey that you guys take on. So could you talk

783
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: a little bit about setting up that closeness that just

784
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: made all the events that we see in episode five,

785
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Feel Possible, yea.

786
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: You know, Paul is a small character, but an important one,

787
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 7: and that's how it was. It was described to me

788
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 7: very early on. It's like, this isn't a big character,

789
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 7: but like he's going to.

790
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: Mean a lot. And uh.

791
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 7: In order to really warrant that that that this big

792
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 7: sacrificial death, this big set piece that's meant to be

793
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 7: quite significant and moving, we really need to sell the

794
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 7: chemistry between these these two guys who are more than

795
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 7: friends and and and Air Force officers and pilots there

796
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 7: they're brothers. I like to believe that Leroy is all

797
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 7: Paully really has. And you know, you meet this guy,

798
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 7: he's sort of a peripheral character and he says funny ship,

799
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 7: and he's always trying to outsmart the situation or even

800
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 7: get out of the situation, and he's doubting everything.

801
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 4: Not a character you'd expect.

802
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 7: To jump in front of a bullet, right, and yet

803
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 7: that's exactly who he is underneath all that all the

804
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 7: defense armor. Is this this this this a very caring

805
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 7: person who really really doesn't have a ton to lose

806
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 7: other than Leroy. Whereas Leroy has a family and he's

807
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 7: up against a lot more. And I think in that

808
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 7: moment that's why Poly is so accepting of what he's

809
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 7: just done. It's like, Okay, yeah, I think this is

810
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 7: what it was all about. This is what this is,

811
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 7: what my purpose is.

812
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 9: It is really such a horror kind of set piece,

813
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 9: the kind of thing that I think fans of it,

814
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 9: whether it's the book or the original miniseries or the

815
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 9: later movies, I would expect to find in some form

816
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 9: of fashion in a story like this tell us about

817
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 9: filming that thats it.

818
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: Sucked the war right in the series, it.

819
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 7: Was so hard not I mean, look, I should be

820
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 7: so lucky to be to be acting with this crew

821
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 7: and these people and being a part of this universe.

822
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: But I'm not going to tell you was comfortable. It's uh,

823
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: we're in you know.

824
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 7: It's like eighteen hours of We had three layers, so

825
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 7: we had a wet suit, and then over the wet suit,

826
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 7: it was another costume.

827
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 4: Over that costume was another military costume. Many days.

828
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 7: The thing is, they staggered my shooting. So I go

829
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 7: in for a week and then I leave for a month.

830
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 7: I go in for two weeks, I go in for

831
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 7: two days. This this this episode five. The reshoot, the

832
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 7: one that was used was over the course of three days,

833
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 7: I want to say, and it was like, it's not

834
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 7: that not you know, three days is not that bad.

835
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 7: You know, my fiance shot for eight months out of the.

836
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: Year on Riverdale.

837
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan, so.

838
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too, also by force.

839
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 10: But I.

840
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 4: Should be so lucky, Oh poor me.

841
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 7: Three days in the sewers of the most iconic one

842
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 7: of the most iconic you know, stories and franchise in

843
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 7: the world.

844
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 4: But it's not easy. Again, I'm not to it, not

845
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: a full time actor. So in this uncomfortable costume.

846
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 7: They're all period accurate, incredible that they're also very heavy

847
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 7: and dense, and these guns which are real period guns,

848
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 7: not functional, but they're really and you're inside these beautiful,

849
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 7: practical builds. These sewers are yes, we're on a stage,

850
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 7: but they're real.

851
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 11: It's real water, it's real sewers, uh, highly detailed, and

852
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 11: the whole crew is outside, so it's just me and

853
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 11: and Javon and it's really dark, creepy tunnel.

854
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: So a lot of what you're seeing is is uh

855
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 4: is very is very real and.

856
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 7: One end incredibly rewarding and surreal to be to be

857
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 7: in there as a fan. On the other end, I was, uh,

858
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 7: we were suffering.

859
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: We were really suffering.

860
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, And and and the death moment, that that big

861
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 10: moment was done, like we barely made the day, the

862
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 10: very end of the day, and you have fucking I

863
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 10: gotta get in this disgusting water, and I'm and tired.

864
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: Intents are high. I hadn't eaten in twenty four hours.

865
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 7: And Andy would stull get at one point in more

866
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 7: blood and more blood.

867
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: There's shoving blood in my.

868
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 7: Mouth, and then and then Andy at one point he

869
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 7: was like, all right, I guess I'll just do it myself,

870
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 7: and he runs into the set getting all wet, pouring

871
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 7: blood into my mouth.

872
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 12: I'm like, by the by the time we're rolling, I

873
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 12: hope the performance sold because it was the product of

874
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 12: all these things.

875
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: No, it did, And I think, like it feels so

876
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: much heavier because of the entire setup of oh this

877
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: is fake. The whole series has been about what can

878
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: you believe? What can you not believe? Can you believe

879
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: your eyes? And then it's the worst possible version, like

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Speaker 1: if that had happened, it's not just about saving Will,

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Speaker 1: It's also about saving Leroy because he's never going to

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Speaker 1: be able to get over it, and also interesting to

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Speaker 1: see a man who is never you know, who currently

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel fear, but dealing and grappling with the emotions

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Speaker 1: of what would it be like if I lost my wife?

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Speaker 1: What would I be like if I lost my son? Basically,

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Speaker 1: just like, how do you balance that it's such a

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Speaker 1: hugely emotional moment, how do you balance that with the

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Speaker 1: physical nature of the shoot and worrying that it's a

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Speaker 1: believable death and all those other things that go through

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Speaker 1: your head when you are acting with difficulty.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's like, I'm trying my best to think

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Speaker 7: about what what what this means, what it means for

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Speaker 7: the character, what it means to the series, but also

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Speaker 7: what it means to me, what I like about this moment,

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Speaker 7: and again, within the context and the grand scheme of

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Speaker 7: this series, it's it's a small moment, but it's an

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Speaker 7: important one. It's a it's a humanized death.

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Speaker 4: It's happened. It's a grounded death.

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Speaker 7: This isn't some big supernatural crusom attack by Penny Penny

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Speaker 7: Wise or or or or the illusion of a monster

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Speaker 7: or a ghost. It's it's real, it's really happening. And

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Speaker 7: I like the sort of poetic irony of it, because

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Speaker 7: you'd expect this man who's desensitized to fear to be

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Speaker 7: the one to take a bullet, and yet it's the

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Speaker 7: other way around. And sometimes it's important for fear to

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Speaker 7: find you so that you can you can react, you

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Speaker 7: can really feel, and you can really react responsibly. It's

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Speaker 7: dangerous to be fearless. And Pully is this guy who

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Speaker 7: who is especially in the Sewers, is consumed by fear

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Speaker 7: because he doesn't understand. He doesn't fully understand what's happening.

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Speaker 7: There's apparently these these these this external force that is

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Speaker 7: tormenting them, but he can't see any of them.

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Speaker 4: So how do you? How do you?

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Speaker 7: He really wants to believe Leroy because it's only probably

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Speaker 7: the only person in the world he loves and trusts,

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Speaker 7: and yet it's so hard to And then in this

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Speaker 7: moment he does something that actually Leroy is usually the

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Speaker 7: good one, the one to do this, be analytical and

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Speaker 7: mathematical and solve a problem. It's like that, wait, wait,

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Speaker 7: And in this moment, actually Pauli gets gets to be

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Speaker 7: that guy where he's like Okay, that's his son. If

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Speaker 7: I see him, then he must be real. And it's

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Speaker 7: all on a blink of an eye. And then he

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Speaker 7: jumps in front, and then when he takes that bullet

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Speaker 7: instead of panicky, I think that's why he accepts it,

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Speaker 7: because like, Okay, this is I've found my purpose in all.

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Speaker 9: This great episode, great show. You were wonderful in it.

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Of course, thank you guys for the cool questions.

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Speaker 1: Of course, thank you so much for joining us, Rudy,

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Speaker 1: and thank you guys for listening to our talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Derry episode five. This week on Extra Vision.

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Speaker 2: We're celebrating the holidays with some short stocking stuff for episodes,

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Speaker 2: including a fictional food potlock, some very chaotic.

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Speaker 1: Answers, and a deep dive into what we really want

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Speaker 1: from adaptations, and some thoughts from me and Aboo on

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Speaker 1: the new season of The Witcher.

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Speaker 2: That's the episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening, Bye.

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Speaker 9: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 9: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman.

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Speaker 8: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

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Speaker 9: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 9: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 1: Heidi our discord moderator