WEBVTT - Episode 9 - Choosing Sides 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:16.119 M no brother, risk of pulling man, I tend to 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:44.920 go to prison. I've got it's fit to st Jackson 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.000 and I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving o chocol 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:59.360 that's once you brought down the drug walk. The feeder 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.360 ages to say to move us from the office into 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:07.560 these bulletproof trucks. I get a call. Let's music one 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.119 of the top lieutenants. He's like, you know, I need 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.679 to talk to you. It can be important. They got 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.720 eight or hundred men ready to come get join your brother. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.000 But we're gonna need a decision for doing your brother 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.800 because there's a chance that you might not make it 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.720 out of life. I'm going to ask you a question 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.520 and I just want you to tell me yes or no. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.160 Our lives are filled with thousands of choices that we 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.360 have to make split second decisions that change the directions 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.679 of our lives. But sometimes you don't want to choose. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.200 Peter and Jay were looking at their lives being taken 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.440 away no matter what, like in prison or a gunshot. Today. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.600 In that moment, through the crackle of the phone line, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.400 speaking to the cartel's top lieutenant, Busico j decided that 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.920 being taken to prison by the U. S. Marshal's is 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.840 a face scarier to death. Instead, they risked the potential 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:13.680 blood bath of a cartel battle. So I'm gonna ask 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.200 you a question. Do you a green light for us 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:34.040 to go get you? Yes? What's it? Go? Said? I 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.480 think you're making the right decision. I want you to 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:44.160 know something. You see those federal agents they're no different 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:51.720 than you and me. They're ready to die. They're not 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:56.919 gonna go out alone when we come. I just know 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.959 they're gonna try to kill you first. So if you 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.079 could get one of their guns or something high, run, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:12.920 do whatever you can do it. That was really hard 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:18.959 for him to take. I'm sitting right next to them. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.600 They have gone with him. He just reminded me, like, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:29.280 this is America. They will tell you. And I said, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.959 I understand, you know. I'm being really like, just easy 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.960 with my words, not saying too much. And then he said, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.480 I want you to know something. You're my friend, he 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.160 says a man like I respect you and your brother, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.120 I admire you. I love you, man, I came to 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.680 love you. If anything happens, I just want you to 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:58.080 know that you have everyone's your respect and don't worry 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:03.120 about your family. They're gonna be okay. Dad made me 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.400 get rid of emotion. He just listened to me be emotional. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.880 I literally sat him crave and my brother Peter just 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.360 kind of just tap me. He didn't know what was 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:19.000 going on, so I said, it's a musical. Listen. You know, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.039 I have a couple of debts that I want to pay. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.200 He said, look at you. You're in a life and 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.640 destitutional worried about someone else, worried about yourself right now. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.960 I just don't want not to happen to my family. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.359 Don't worry. I'll give you my word that nothing that 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.960 happened to your family. We'll do whatever we have to do. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.800 His words meant a lot to me at that time. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.080 I was taking that the bosses were saying that they 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:57.120 admire and respected me. That was a big deal to me. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.920 M and we said our goodbyes. I hung up the phone. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.479 That was gonna be the last card get and I 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.760 just whispered to my brothers, they're gonna come get us. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.279 There's a chance that these doing thing's gonna be happy. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.520 He understood. I remember him just like, look at me. 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.000 It was just like, damn, I know what he remember 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.240 like this is what our life has become, this is 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:38.240 how our life hands. I'm just thinking of your life 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.760 as a whole. And I started kind of like, what 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.159 is my life? This is gonna be my life? That 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.159 I saw a bunch of drugs and I died in 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.960 a shootout. Oh wow, he was a great drug dealer. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.719 He was a man of his word. And my kids 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:00.320 for our father, you know, my wife or her husband. Yeah, 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.960 and still that at that time, I was like, I'm 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.360 as possible, this is what we chose. And everyone well 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.800 at that time, I think people in that life, we 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.479 may decide, oh, it's for the money, and you just 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.240 started digging yourself into this ditch deeper and deeper, and 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.080 it's for the money, for the money, for the money. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.800 By that time, I don't think me my beerly even 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:30.800 talked about profits. Yes, it was different for us. It 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.679 was yeah, I could buy anything I wanted, but everything 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:42.599 I wanted I couldn't buy with money will fulfilled me. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.960 I think was I you hadn't make a family. And 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.400 I think maturing seeing what was like all those other 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.160 moments where you were like Facebook, life and death, I 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.920 think you started realizing, Wow, that money wasn't doing nothing 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:05.320 for me, them house to them cars. At that time, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:11.880 we're what, we're twenty five years old, believe it or not. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.360 I used to think I was old. You know, I 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:23.080 had friends passed away whenever, seventeen eighteen. No one ever 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:31.240 lasted that long. Either you go to Jarler than to die. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:41.320 We drove wrong for a little while. They made a 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.920 stop at a parking lot. Some of the agents got 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.480 off and they met up with other agents other people, 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:53.120 and I could see them kind of like arguing, maybe, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.640 you know, hands throwing up in the air and stuff. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.680 There's probably sixteen total. There's like four or five i'll 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.520 be goes suburbans. And they jumping back in the car. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.080 And when they jumped back in the car, I knew 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.520 something wasn't right because they jumped in the car. They 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.440 kind of said something. I don't know what they said, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.880 and I just heard all the clicks with their grounds 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.920 in my heart probably kept the beat. And I'm sitting 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.120 down and one of the agent has he has his 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.640 air fatigues putting up around the chamber, but he has 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:32.760 his handgun under his leg and it's cocked. He has 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.360 it under his leg right here on my left side, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:43.439 and I'm like, wow, we end up driving. We leave there. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.240 We followed the other veh because there of the agents 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.520 or whoever the men were that they met with, but 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.480 they were like kind of well dressed, and we followed 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.800 up and we started driving two roads. I knew to 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:03.360 me we're heading back to the airport. I see that 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:08.400 there's vehicles part like, there's vehicles stopped. I see that 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.640 there's two young guys in uh like utility vests and 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:17.400 they have a case and they're standing in the middle 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:22.520 street and he sees he sees them. They're holding their 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:29.560 gun and he calls them and I come here. They're 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:38.440 waving their hands and he tells them, like turn and 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.920 they easily turned in and I could feel their attention. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.120 I could just be there. And they said, we said 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.400 to night. I'm able to see. To my right there's 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:56.480 like eight are men everyone holding a case Rocky lnswer 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:03.200 and they ease the trucks something to the street and 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.640 one of the agent says, don't make a move. They 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:14.400 surround all the vehicles and I'm like, like frightened, fear. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:21.720 I can't even explain, you just stopped. He just said, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.240 don't move, and we stop and they're just like sitting still. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.880 All the vehicles and all their are men like come. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:35.200 They start trying to poke in, and they're like telling 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:40.840 them like just you know, calm, just calm, all young kids. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.560 They have to be most of the one in on. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.280 They're probably some of them could barely carry the gun. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.760 And I just started looking around. I looked and on 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:57.400 they're just like restaurant canopy. I see that there's two 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.040 guys standing there and there's a three for like cicargo 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:05.320 standing in front of him. I'm on the driver's side. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.160 He looks like a kid. Karen a k turns back. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.760 He puts in his back and he tells the guy something. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.679 I could see him moving him. He has a paper 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.240 in his hand. He went up to the truck and 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.160 he says like this, he's not like poincided like here. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.880 I guess they was asking him we were in that truck. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.960 He opens the door. The faradies don't want He said, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.199 don't move. We're gonna do this the right way. And 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.640 he tells him you guys in Spanish and he's cursing, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:48.360 like one false move, We're all going to hell. Guys, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.559 just sit there. The guy comes and he looks it 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.320 looks at mean, he's holding the paper I can't see 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.319 and when he turns it is our wanted picture. M h. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.240 And he goes like this, so he thumbs up. He 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:14.920 called like, let's go to you and Pete. So I 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:19.000 I have the phone in hand. Peter jumps off and 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.680 I'm gonna start walking away, and I said hold on 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.400 one second. And I come back to the door. He's 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.120 like hold on, like what are you doing? And I'm like, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:35.520 hold on. The mandate was in charge, He's in no 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:40.320 frent seat. I said, I'm not gonna need your phone 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:45.319 and and I said I'm gonna keep my word. I'm 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:50.760 gonna make sure I pay you something. Yeah, And he 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:55.000 was like yes, sir, And I reached over and I 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.559 shook his hand. I shook their head and shook all 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.400 five guys that were there, shook their hands. Why did 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.920 you do that to me? I was taking responsibility for 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.360 putting myself in this situation. I put their life. Ever 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.440 they were at home and they get the call like 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.720 we have these tutures from the US and they coming 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.200 next to you know, now their life at risk because 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.880 of doing new job. And it was my way of 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:30.480 representing who I was don't worry. I'm gonna take care 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.800 of your guys. I shook their hands out of respect 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:39.160 to them. It wasn't me trying to be something that wasn't. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.040 It was me just being myself, the business man. I 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.240 was the man that I was like the person I 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.959 was right, still being nice in the situation that I 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:54.960 don't having respect for them in a way, and I 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.079 tapped on them. I have seen they closed the door. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.120 The guy stood there. My brother was in front of me. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:09.240 We walked up to the stoop right. The two men 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.400 were staying and they have man bags, are man presses 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:17.640 for car one of lam heather a hanging on his shoulder, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.840 you know, like they're the ones in charge when they 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:30.760 reaches out. He was a lieutenant for that organisation. And 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:38.040 then the other guy was Mentor never Ceeo Sguardo Saventes, 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.000 known as Almno or just Mencho, was a high ranking 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.920 member of the Millennial Cartel. Millennial was a part of 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.760 the Sinelo Federation and they fought side by side against 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.480 the federation's main rivals, los Zetas in the Cartel War. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.640 Mencho's boss a Millennial was a Lobo Valencia. When a 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.880 Lobo was captured by the Mexican authorities. He was extradited 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.200 to the US to serve twenty five years in a 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:11.440 federal prison. Millennial fractured and Mencho started the Helisco New 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:16.160 Generation cartel known as c J and G. Many thought 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.200 Menho had handed Our Lobo to the federalies so he 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.720 could lead his own cartel. Whatever the reason, it worked. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.000 C J and G is now considered the most dangerous 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:33.320 criminal organization in Mexico, and Mencho himself is one of 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.800 the most wanted men in the world, with a ten 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:41.040 million dollar bounty on his head. And if you've ever 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.600 visited or are in Los Angeles, you might have even 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.680 seen Mencho's face on a few d A billboards around 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:53.560 the place. There's even one near Dodgers Stadium. Hey, mental 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:58.760 pleasures to find Mitra. Okay, they're good. Yeah that Hey 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.760 you don't you have a couple people when need to 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.680 talk to you the handles like Twerey forms. One of 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.240 them was done the boss at the time. Her name 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.680 was Lowell Valencia. He was the head of the Millennial 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:16.240 Crata was part of the Federation. Just a smiler group 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.960 got on the phone kind of quick, thank you, I 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.240 talked to the Center Sambada and the other form the Center. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.240 Zambarda is Maya Zambarda's eldest son. He was one of 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.720 the most senior members of the cartel and answered directly 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:38.400 to the bosses Chapo Mayo and Oltro Beltran. Vicente handled 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.280 shipments across South America. He co ordinated corruption with a 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.440 budget of one million dollars per month, which he used 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.320 to pay bribes, and he also manipulated people for his father. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.920 Vicente was eventually arrested in two thousand and nine and 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.360 he pled guilty to using private planes, submarines, and speedboats 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.600 to traffic over billion dollars worth of cocaine and heroin. 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.840 They didn't have nice things to say. Put it that way. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:10.000 What did I say? First of course was are you okay? 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.320 And it's like, what the fuck are you doing that? 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.439 And it's so weird because to be sent that, he's uh, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.840 he was like younger than his father, so he has 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.440 like that cool I can't slang so every other world 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.560 like you've done mofuck like and I said, come on, man, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.640 I had a lot of day. Let's work this out later. Yeah, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.440 And he's like, listen, you have a bunch of people 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.800 roughed up right here, like you you need to come 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:43.720 and and take care of this soon. I'm like, let 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:48.440 me get home and we'll get to that. It's weird 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.240 because my relationship with him wasn't what people expect. It 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:58.199 was a friendly relationship no matter what. It was a 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.679 friendly relationship, and they treated be kind of like family. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.040 Was like it was their family, kind of like they're 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.760 going to talk to it in a nice way, like 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.560 it's still in their way, but they're still like family, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.879 can ye? Mentors like I have orders our dab is 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.879 that make sure we get your back on safe. So 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.440 at this point you're still not safe. So he said, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.760 so the use my should that coming? You see these 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.520 two guys they bring up, they have a case, they're 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.840 too dark, one of them chubby in the twenties guys, 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.760 and said these guys are the guys were going to 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.000 give for them. They're going to go with them. The 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.640 US Marshals were only minutes away, and the federalies had 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.639 to give them something, so they quickly got two random 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.120 guys to pretend to be j and Pete and put 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.560 them in a car to be delivered to the U. S. Government. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.159 The federalies were embarrassed, but giving up the wrong people 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.840 was better than admitting they had to let the real 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.959 fugitives go. And so they were in the cause that 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.560 you've just been in the bullet proof cars with the 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:09.000 federalies to drive to the U. S. Marshals to kind 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.120 of like say, oh, we had the wrong guys. It's 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:18.760 the sage, right, Yeah, that's coming. It's common practice. Mentor 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.159 he was like, do they look like you guys? Said, hell, no, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.760 these are ugly motherfucker's Like, you know, I had to 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.159 make a joke out of it, and then, like I know, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.960 I felt bad. I was like, hold on, are you 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.600 guys okay? He's like, man, I guess what they gave 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.680 us all a bunch of laqueors so we could get drunk, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.760 so they could look like they were party. They give 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:46.640 us some coke. It's a good day, mind roots, ten 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.760 eleven in the morning. But they're about to be sent 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.520 into the Lions Down. No. I guess they knew. They're 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.080 really get to like these are twins? Are gonna be 0:19:54.080 --> 0:20:00.680 like your your fucking mind, like these are too dark Mexican. Yeah, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:05.199 they're not twins. Nice set. We're gonna take care of 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:10.680 the dory. There was one happening. They're drunk and high. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:31.160 They went and dumped in the cars. H I didn't 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.359 even think twins did put me in another bullet for 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.560 car with them, it felt a little bit better. And 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.560 and I guess there's like one of the lieutenants I 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.920 went with. One of the mentioned lieutenant was a driver 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.239 and him an older man. They asked me, where are 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.720 you staying at It's a thirty five minute forty minute drive. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.760 It's a six seven card caravan. Both Cicarios and me, 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.360 I know there's a military checkpoint going into that park. 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:16.320 I'm like worried. I said, is there another way? He said, well, 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.159 what do you mean we're Dan said, you know, just 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.359 a military checkpoint. I don't worry about that. Don't worry 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:28.960 about that. And sure enough we're coming. They waved them. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.480 They have their guns in their hands, I mean rifles, 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:37.639 like literally they waved. We rode by past them. I 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:42.760 was shocked because like that, like the military, that doesn't 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:52.720 really happen. I don't think. It's a beautiful day here. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.920 I am like having the shiftiest day, and it looks 0:21:54.960 --> 0:22:02.119 so beautiful. They all doubt into the house and they 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:08.600 all started getting off with their guns. Valin Viev were 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.240 anxiously waiting back at the house after the federalities would 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.600 let them go free. In the negotiations back at the 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.920 police station, they had no idea if they'd ever see 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.199 j and Pete again. The back and forth that Valerie 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:27.800 and I were going through on our own, no one's 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.200 giving us any kind of any news of what's going 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:36.560 on with them. I've seen all the trucks and the 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.040 guys and then they were armed, and it was like, 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.000 this is you know, it's weird because in one way 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.320 it was like paradise and the other way it was like, hell, 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:52.840 we're in the most beautiful probably peaches of Mexico. There 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.040 we are like living through the worst one of the 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.520 worst moments in our lives. I think that that's like, really, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.640 I would say them depending on me of what our 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:09.320 lives were before that, that every happy moment, every beautiful 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.080 moment in our lives, every memorable moment our lives, was 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:17.520 overshadowed by a bad moment. You get used to it 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.760 and then you just wait and then you're like, Okay, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.760 well we'll get over this, and you know it'll pass tomorrow. 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.680 You know. That's that time that I was telling you 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.520 Charlie that you know we live on these high moments 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.719 because that's how I could live, was the high moments 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.640 that we were going through and the low low moments, 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.960 and these the turmoil that we would always go through too. 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.760 It's like, we'll pass through it, We'll get through it, 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.359 and then you become like you get um M, I 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.560 could get rid of the Kurt Tel and our story 0:23:48.800 --> 0:24:02.080 via fairy tale. I come in and Bob was like, 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.040 she was upstairs kiss getting her stuff. I was surprised, 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.600 why if she was still even there. We walked in 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:10.440 and she was. They were a shot because you see 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.600 all these dudes coming in with guns, and I just 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:18.439 saw me started crying and we all cried. Then I 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:24.520 introduced value to mental. He was sitting there, Yeah, just 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.520 radio in his hand. He's kind of sitting like really 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.960 cocky though, on the table, like with his legs opening. 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:32.439 He has to raido here and he's playing with the 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:36.840 switch with his gun in his hand. He's like, yeah, 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:38.359 I don't want We're gonna leave. You know, we have 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:41.639 a federal police coming to West Quarters, back to Galahara. 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:48.919 Did that change you after that? Oh? For sure. It 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:53.720 made me see what I could be facing, kind of 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.919 like it was my reality for that time, and now 0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.359 I'm getting a glimpse of what could happen. And that 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.480 wasn't a good feeling. That was not something that I liked. 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.919 What happened to the US Martials and the two guys 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.439 that were put in your replacement or later, and I 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:15.600 did find that they didn't make it. Did you ever 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:19.560 give that guy his money? I did? It kind of 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:23.600 looked like I did, and we end up giving him 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:28.520 like two point five million dollars. Everyone he had anything 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.679 to do with it, got it, chunk. It was two 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.760 point five million a lot of money to you at 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:41.080 that point. There's money that we considered to be the 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:46.600 cost of doing business. So that's his overhead. The company 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:51.640 can't function without the CEOs are micro managing like everything. 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.639 So you take it as lost. It was what it was. 0:25:55.840 --> 0:26:04.560 I mean, you prepare for those things. We were at 0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.800 the top, right and I like to see the upper 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.879 ns of the drug card toss and I was sitting 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.879 at the table with him. That wasn't just another person. 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.680 And I would say that at that time, I was 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.200 proud that's what I did, and when we just had 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:24.280 to change our life. It was all those moms. Things 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.800 are getting taken for me, things that I'm not willing 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.040 to give. I'm willing to lose money, I'm not willing 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:33.040 to give up what I sacrificed so much for. It 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:37.239 was that in all these years, all these things were 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:41.679 changing me. Not just that I was going through hardships, 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.280 that was maturing. I was under turning to understand like 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.960 the destruction and everything that was doing to me to 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:54.159 a family, and and understanding like my position and how 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:58.760 I got there, and trying to understand that what we 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.280 were doing wasn't the right thing to do. Like and 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.040 we could sit there all the time and say, oh, yeah, 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.320 we're I don't do something like I'm proud of I 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.720 don't hurt anyone, I don't kill anyone. I'm but that 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:15.879 didn't matter. It did make me feel a little bit guilty, 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.000 you know, Like I did feel at times like I 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.480 was no different because I was. Actually I felt like 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.359 I was participating, like now I'm there with them. And 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.760 I used to think, well before I wasn't it. I 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:28.880 remember one day think I was because I was still 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.880 doing this in Chicago, and I think that goes back 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:38.119 to how America perceives the drug trade. I was who 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.320 I was because of the United States, not because of Mexico. 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.639 Some ways, somehow, I guess we all have a part 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:49.119 in what's feeling these the violence and how the business works. 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:53.320 And I guess that's what I'm here, explaining how the 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.480 business works, how it trickles down a lot of its politics. 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.399 It's not just the is this anymore? And I had 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.840 to see that. I had to live that fraid to 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:10.359 affect me that way, you know, every time I had 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.080 to go see them, or being those situations where I 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:17.560 see people tied up, or I even be you know, 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.520 around a bunch of armed men making sure that oh 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.280 you're safe to get from puny to go and b 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.960 I used to this sing for me, I know, just 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.560 saying in a movie, this is not making me feel 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:34.600 any better at all. I remember having a conversation with 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.760 a friend of ours when I Throttle made the truth 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.680 with the set that he said, my brother just got 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:46.520 killed last week. They tortured him and killed them. How 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:52.080 do you feel, how do you feel about that? He 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.320 just like, well, I hurt that I don't have my brother, 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.960 just I don't have to say, I just have to 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:02.640 fall in line. The ongoing war between Cineloa and Losetas 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.760 has killed more than double the amount of civilians than 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.960 died in the entire Middle Eastern conflict since two thousand 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:15.160 and seven. The war has been infamously brutal. Beheadings, hangings 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.480 and indiscriminate murder were a hallmark. Everyone was a target, 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:24.840 including children. There were no limits to the evil. People 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:29.120