Speaker 1: M no brother, risk of pulling man, I tend to
Speaker 1: go to prison. I've got it's fit to st Jackson
Speaker 1: and I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving o chocol
Speaker 1: that's once you brought down the drug walk. The feeder
Speaker 1: ages to say to move us from the office into
Speaker 1: these bulletproof trucks. I get a call. Let's music one
Speaker 1: of the top lieutenants. He's like, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. It can be important. They got
Speaker 1: eight or hundred men ready to come get join your brother.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna need a decision for doing your brother
Speaker 1: because there's a chance that you might not make it
Speaker 1: out of life. I'm going to ask you a question
Speaker 1: and I just want you to tell me yes or no.
Speaker 1: Our lives are filled with thousands of choices that we
Speaker 1: have to make split second decisions that change the directions
Speaker 1: of our lives. But sometimes you don't want to choose.
Speaker 1: Peter and Jay were looking at their lives being taken
Speaker 1: away no matter what, like in prison or a gunshot. Today.
Speaker 1: In that moment, through the crackle of the phone line,
Speaker 1: speaking to the cartel's top lieutenant, Busico j decided that
Speaker 1: being taken to prison by the U. S. Marshal's is
Speaker 1: a face scarier to death. Instead, they risked the potential
Speaker 1: blood bath of a cartel battle. So I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you a question. Do you a green light for us
Speaker 1: to go get you? Yes? What's it? Go? Said? I
Speaker 1: think you're making the right decision. I want you to
Speaker 1: know something. You see those federal agents they're no different
Speaker 1: than you and me. They're ready to die. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna go out alone when we come. I just know
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to kill you first. So if you
Speaker 1: could get one of their guns or something high, run,
Speaker 1: do whatever you can do it. That was really hard
Speaker 1: for him to take. I'm sitting right next to them.
Speaker 1: They have gone with him. He just reminded me, like,
Speaker 1: this is America. They will tell you. And I said,
Speaker 1: I understand, you know. I'm being really like, just easy
Speaker 1: with my words, not saying too much. And then he said,
Speaker 1: I want you to know something. You're my friend, he
Speaker 1: says a man like I respect you and your brother,
Speaker 1: I admire you. I love you, man, I came to
Speaker 1: love you. If anything happens, I just want you to
Speaker 1: know that you have everyone's your respect and don't worry
Speaker 1: about your family. They're gonna be okay. Dad made me
Speaker 1: get rid of emotion. He just listened to me be emotional.
Speaker 1: I literally sat him crave and my brother Peter just
Speaker 1: kind of just tap me. He didn't know what was
Speaker 1: going on, so I said, it's a musical. Listen. You know,
Speaker 1: I have a couple of debts that I want to pay.
Speaker 1: He said, look at you. You're in a life and
Speaker 1: destitutional worried about someone else, worried about yourself right now.
Speaker 1: I just don't want not to happen to my family.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'll give you my word that nothing that
Speaker 1: happened to your family. We'll do whatever we have to do.
Speaker 1: His words meant a lot to me at that time.
Speaker 1: I was taking that the bosses were saying that they
Speaker 1: admire and respected me. That was a big deal to me.
Speaker 1: M and we said our goodbyes. I hung up the phone.
Speaker 1: That was gonna be the last card get and I
Speaker 1: just whispered to my brothers, they're gonna come get us.
Speaker 1: There's a chance that these doing thing's gonna be happy.
Speaker 1: He understood. I remember him just like, look at me.
Speaker 1: It was just like, damn, I know what he remember
Speaker 1: like this is what our life has become, this is
Speaker 1: how our life hands. I'm just thinking of your life
Speaker 1: as a whole. And I started kind of like, what
Speaker 1: is my life? This is gonna be my life? That
Speaker 1: I saw a bunch of drugs and I died in
Speaker 1: a shootout. Oh wow, he was a great drug dealer.
Speaker 1: He was a man of his word. And my kids
Speaker 1: for our father, you know, my wife or her husband. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and still that at that time, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: as possible, this is what we chose. And everyone well
Speaker 1: at that time, I think people in that life, we
Speaker 1: may decide, oh, it's for the money, and you just
Speaker 1: started digging yourself into this ditch deeper and deeper, and
Speaker 1: it's for the money, for the money, for the money.
Speaker 1: By that time, I don't think me my beerly even
Speaker 1: talked about profits. Yes, it was different for us. It
Speaker 1: was yeah, I could buy anything I wanted, but everything
Speaker 1: I wanted I couldn't buy with money will fulfilled me.
Speaker 1: I think was I you hadn't make a family. And
Speaker 1: I think maturing seeing what was like all those other
Speaker 1: moments where you were like Facebook, life and death, I
Speaker 1: think you started realizing, Wow, that money wasn't doing nothing
Speaker 1: for me, them house to them cars. At that time,
Speaker 1: we're what, we're twenty five years old, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I used to think I was old. You know, I
Speaker 1: had friends passed away whenever, seventeen eighteen. No one ever
Speaker 1: lasted that long. Either you go to Jarler than to die.
Speaker 1: We drove wrong for a little while. They made a
Speaker 1: stop at a parking lot. Some of the agents got
Speaker 1: off and they met up with other agents other people,
Speaker 1: and I could see them kind of like arguing, maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, hands throwing up in the air and stuff.
Speaker 1: There's probably sixteen total. There's like four or five i'll
Speaker 1: be goes suburbans. And they jumping back in the car.
Speaker 1: And when they jumped back in the car, I knew
Speaker 1: something wasn't right because they jumped in the car. They
Speaker 1: kind of said something. I don't know what they said,
Speaker 1: and I just heard all the clicks with their grounds
Speaker 1: in my heart probably kept the beat. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: down and one of the agent has he has his
Speaker 1: air fatigues putting up around the chamber, but he has
Speaker 1: his handgun under his leg and it's cocked. He has
Speaker 1: it under his leg right here on my left side,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, we end up driving. We leave there.
Speaker 1: We followed the other veh because there of the agents
Speaker 1: or whoever the men were that they met with, but
Speaker 1: they were like kind of well dressed, and we followed
Speaker 1: up and we started driving two roads. I knew to
Speaker 1: me we're heading back to the airport. I see that
Speaker 1: there's vehicles part like, there's vehicles stopped. I see that
Speaker 1: there's two young guys in uh like utility vests and
Speaker 1: they have a case and they're standing in the middle
Speaker 1: street and he sees he sees them. They're holding their
Speaker 1: gun and he calls them and I come here. They're
Speaker 1: waving their hands and he tells them, like turn and
Speaker 1: they easily turned in and I could feel their attention.
Speaker 1: I could just be there. And they said, we said
Speaker 1: to night. I'm able to see. To my right there's
Speaker 1: like eight are men everyone holding a case Rocky lnswer
Speaker 1: and they ease the trucks something to the street and
Speaker 1: one of the agent says, don't make a move. They
Speaker 1: surround all the vehicles and I'm like, like frightened, fear.
Speaker 1: I can't even explain, you just stopped. He just said,
Speaker 1: don't move, and we stop and they're just like sitting still.
Speaker 1: All the vehicles and all their are men like come.
Speaker 1: They start trying to poke in, and they're like telling
Speaker 1: them like just you know, calm, just calm, all young kids.
Speaker 1: They have to be most of the one in on.
Speaker 1: They're probably some of them could barely carry the gun.
Speaker 1: And I just started looking around. I looked and on
Speaker 1: they're just like restaurant canopy. I see that there's two
Speaker 1: guys standing there and there's a three for like cicargo
Speaker 1: standing in front of him. I'm on the driver's side.
Speaker 1: He looks like a kid. Karen a k turns back.
Speaker 1: He puts in his back and he tells the guy something.
Speaker 1: I could see him moving him. He has a paper
Speaker 1: in his hand. He went up to the truck and
Speaker 1: he says like this, he's not like poincided like here.
Speaker 1: I guess they was asking him we were in that truck.
Speaker 1: He opens the door. The faradies don't want He said,
Speaker 1: don't move. We're gonna do this the right way. And
Speaker 1: he tells him you guys in Spanish and he's cursing,
Speaker 1: like one false move, We're all going to hell. Guys,
Speaker 1: just sit there. The guy comes and he looks it
Speaker 1: looks at mean, he's holding the paper I can't see
Speaker 1: and when he turns it is our wanted picture. M h.
Speaker 1: And he goes like this, so he thumbs up. He
Speaker 1: called like, let's go to you and Pete. So I
Speaker 1: I have the phone in hand. Peter jumps off and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start walking away, and I said hold on
Speaker 1: one second. And I come back to the door. He's
Speaker 1: like hold on, like what are you doing? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on. The mandate was in charge, He's in no
Speaker 1: frent seat. I said, I'm not gonna need your phone
Speaker 1: and and I said I'm gonna keep my word. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I pay you something. Yeah, And he
Speaker 1: was like yes, sir, And I reached over and I
Speaker 1: shook his hand. I shook their head and shook all
Speaker 1: five guys that were there, shook their hands. Why did
Speaker 1: you do that to me? I was taking responsibility for
Speaker 1: putting myself in this situation. I put their life. Ever
Speaker 1: they were at home and they get the call like
Speaker 1: we have these tutures from the US and they coming
Speaker 1: next to you know, now their life at risk because
Speaker 1: of doing new job. And it was my way of
Speaker 1: representing who I was don't worry. I'm gonna take care
Speaker 1: of your guys. I shook their hands out of respect
Speaker 1: to them. It wasn't me trying to be something that wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was me just being myself, the business man. I
Speaker 1: was the man that I was like the person I
Speaker 1: was right, still being nice in the situation that I
Speaker 1: don't having respect for them in a way, and I
Speaker 1: tapped on them. I have seen they closed the door.
Speaker 1: The guy stood there. My brother was in front of me.
Speaker 1: We walked up to the stoop right. The two men
Speaker 1: were staying and they have man bags, are man presses
Speaker 1: for car one of lam heather a hanging on his shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're the ones in charge when they
Speaker 1: reaches out. He was a lieutenant for that organisation. And
Speaker 1: then the other guy was Mentor never Ceeo Sguardo Saventes,
Speaker 1: known as Almno or just Mencho, was a high ranking
Speaker 1: member of the Millennial Cartel. Millennial was a part of
Speaker 1: the Sinelo Federation and they fought side by side against
Speaker 1: the federation's main rivals, los Zetas in the Cartel War.
Speaker 1: Mencho's boss a Millennial was a Lobo Valencia. When a
Speaker 1: Lobo was captured by the Mexican authorities. He was extradited
Speaker 1: to the US to serve twenty five years in a
Speaker 1: federal prison. Millennial fractured and Mencho started the Helisco New
Speaker 1: Generation cartel known as c J and G. Many thought
Speaker 1: Menho had handed Our Lobo to the federalies so he
Speaker 1: could lead his own cartel. Whatever the reason, it worked.
Speaker 1: C J and G is now considered the most dangerous
Speaker 1: criminal organization in Mexico, and Mencho himself is one of
Speaker 1: the most wanted men in the world, with a ten
Speaker 1: million dollar bounty on his head. And if you've ever
Speaker 1: visited or are in Los Angeles, you might have even
Speaker 1: seen Mencho's face on a few d A billboards around
Speaker 1: the place. There's even one near Dodgers Stadium. Hey, mental
Speaker 1: pleasures to find Mitra. Okay, they're good. Yeah that Hey
Speaker 1: you don't you have a couple people when need to
Speaker 1: talk to you the handles like Twerey forms. One of
Speaker 1: them was done the boss at the time. Her name
Speaker 1: was Lowell Valencia. He was the head of the Millennial
Speaker 1: Crata was part of the Federation. Just a smiler group
Speaker 1: got on the phone kind of quick, thank you, I
Speaker 1: talked to the Center Sambada and the other form the Center.
Speaker 1: Zambarda is Maya Zambarda's eldest son. He was one of
Speaker 1: the most senior members of the cartel and answered directly
Speaker 1: to the bosses Chapo Mayo and Oltro Beltran. Vicente handled
Speaker 1: shipments across South America. He co ordinated corruption with a
Speaker 1: budget of one million dollars per month, which he used
Speaker 1: to pay bribes, and he also manipulated people for his father.
Speaker 1: Vicente was eventually arrested in two thousand and nine and
Speaker 1: he pled guilty to using private planes, submarines, and speedboats
Speaker 1: to traffic over billion dollars worth of cocaine and heroin.
Speaker 1: They didn't have nice things to say. Put it that way.
Speaker 1: What did I say? First of course was are you okay?
Speaker 1: And it's like, what the fuck are you doing that?
Speaker 1: And it's so weird because to be sent that, he's uh,
Speaker 1: he was like younger than his father, so he has
Speaker 1: like that cool I can't slang so every other world
Speaker 1: like you've done mofuck like and I said, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of day. Let's work this out later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's like, listen, you have a bunch of people
Speaker 1: roughed up right here, like you you need to come
Speaker 1: and and take care of this soon. I'm like, let
Speaker 1: me get home and we'll get to that. It's weird
Speaker 1: because my relationship with him wasn't what people expect. It
Speaker 1: was a friendly relationship no matter what. It was a
Speaker 1: friendly relationship, and they treated be kind of like family.
Speaker 1: Was like it was their family, kind of like they're
Speaker 1: going to talk to it in a nice way, like
Speaker 1: it's still in their way, but they're still like family,
Speaker 1: can ye? Mentors like I have orders our dab is
Speaker 1: that make sure we get your back on safe. So
Speaker 1: at this point you're still not safe. So he said,
Speaker 1: so the use my should that coming? You see these
Speaker 1: two guys they bring up, they have a case, they're
Speaker 1: too dark, one of them chubby in the twenties guys,
Speaker 1: and said these guys are the guys were going to
Speaker 1: give for them. They're going to go with them. The
Speaker 1: US Marshals were only minutes away, and the federalies had
Speaker 1: to give them something, so they quickly got two random
Speaker 1: guys to pretend to be j and Pete and put
Speaker 1: them in a car to be delivered to the U. S. Government.
Speaker 1: The federalies were embarrassed, but giving up the wrong people
Speaker 1: was better than admitting they had to let the real
Speaker 1: fugitives go. And so they were in the cause that
Speaker 1: you've just been in the bullet proof cars with the
Speaker 1: federalies to drive to the U. S. Marshals to kind
Speaker 1: of like say, oh, we had the wrong guys. It's
Speaker 1: the sage, right, Yeah, that's coming. It's common practice. Mentor
Speaker 1: he was like, do they look like you guys? Said, hell, no,
Speaker 1: these are ugly motherfucker's Like, you know, I had to
Speaker 1: make a joke out of it, and then, like I know,
Speaker 1: I felt bad. I was like, hold on, are you
Speaker 1: guys okay? He's like, man, I guess what they gave
Speaker 1: us all a bunch of laqueors so we could get drunk,
Speaker 1: so they could look like they were party. They give
Speaker 1: us some coke. It's a good day, mind roots, ten
Speaker 1: eleven in the morning. But they're about to be sent
Speaker 1: into the Lions Down. No. I guess they knew. They're
Speaker 1: really get to like these are twins? Are gonna be
Speaker 1: like your your fucking mind, like these are too dark Mexican. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not twins. Nice set. We're gonna take care of
Speaker 1: the dory. There was one happening. They're drunk and high.
Speaker 1: They went and dumped in the cars. H I didn't
Speaker 1: even think twins did put me in another bullet for
Speaker 1: car with them, it felt a little bit better. And
Speaker 1: and I guess there's like one of the lieutenants I
Speaker 1: went with. One of the mentioned lieutenant was a driver
Speaker 1: and him an older man. They asked me, where are
Speaker 1: you staying at It's a thirty five minute forty minute drive.
Speaker 1: It's a six seven card caravan. Both Cicarios and me,
Speaker 1: I know there's a military checkpoint going into that park.
Speaker 1: I'm like worried. I said, is there another way? He said, well,
Speaker 1: what do you mean we're Dan said, you know, just
Speaker 1: a military checkpoint. I don't worry about that. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about that. And sure enough we're coming. They waved them.
Speaker 1: They have their guns in their hands, I mean rifles,
Speaker 1: like literally they waved. We rode by past them. I
Speaker 1: was shocked because like that, like the military, that doesn't
Speaker 1: really happen. I don't think. It's a beautiful day here.
Speaker 1: I am like having the shiftiest day, and it looks
Speaker 1: so beautiful. They all doubt into the house and they
Speaker 1: all started getting off with their guns. Valin Viev were
Speaker 1: anxiously waiting back at the house after the federalities would
Speaker 1: let them go free. In the negotiations back at the
Speaker 1: police station, they had no idea if they'd ever see
Speaker 1: j and Pete again. The back and forth that Valerie
Speaker 1: and I were going through on our own, no one's
Speaker 1: giving us any kind of any news of what's going
Speaker 1: on with them. I've seen all the trucks and the
Speaker 1: guys and then they were armed, and it was like,
Speaker 1: this is you know, it's weird because in one way
Speaker 1: it was like paradise and the other way it was like, hell,
Speaker 1: we're in the most beautiful probably peaches of Mexico. There
Speaker 1: we are like living through the worst one of the
Speaker 1: worst moments in our lives. I think that that's like, really,
Speaker 1: I would say them depending on me of what our
Speaker 1: lives were before that, that every happy moment, every beautiful
Speaker 1: moment in our lives, every memorable moment our lives, was
Speaker 1: overshadowed by a bad moment. You get used to it
Speaker 1: and then you just wait and then you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll get over this, and you know it'll pass tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You know. That's that time that I was telling you
Speaker 1: Charlie that you know we live on these high moments
Speaker 1: because that's how I could live, was the high moments
Speaker 1: that we were going through and the low low moments,
Speaker 1: and these the turmoil that we would always go through too.
Speaker 1: It's like, we'll pass through it, We'll get through it,
Speaker 1: and then you become like you get um M, I
Speaker 1: could get rid of the Kurt Tel and our story
Speaker 1: via fairy tale. I come in and Bob was like,
Speaker 1: she was upstairs kiss getting her stuff. I was surprised,
Speaker 1: why if she was still even there. We walked in
Speaker 1: and she was. They were a shot because you see
Speaker 1: all these dudes coming in with guns, and I just
Speaker 1: saw me started crying and we all cried. Then I
Speaker 1: introduced value to mental. He was sitting there, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: radio in his hand. He's kind of sitting like really
Speaker 1: cocky though, on the table, like with his legs opening.
Speaker 1: He has to raido here and he's playing with the
Speaker 1: switch with his gun in his hand. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want We're gonna leave. You know, we have
Speaker 1: a federal police coming to West Quarters, back to Galahara.
Speaker 1: Did that change you after that? Oh? For sure. It
Speaker 1: made me see what I could be facing, kind of
Speaker 1: like it was my reality for that time, and now
Speaker 1: I'm getting a glimpse of what could happen. And that
Speaker 1: wasn't a good feeling. That was not something that I liked.
Speaker 1: What happened to the US Martials and the two guys
Speaker 1: that were put in your replacement or later, and I
Speaker 1: did find that they didn't make it. Did you ever
Speaker 1: give that guy his money? I did? It kind of
Speaker 1: looked like I did, and we end up giving him
Speaker 1: like two point five million dollars. Everyone he had anything
Speaker 1: to do with it, got it, chunk. It was two
Speaker 1: point five million a lot of money to you at
Speaker 1: that point. There's money that we considered to be the
Speaker 1: cost of doing business. So that's his overhead. The company
Speaker 1: can't function without the CEOs are micro managing like everything.
Speaker 1: So you take it as lost. It was what it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, you prepare for those things. We were at
Speaker 1: the top, right and I like to see the upper
Speaker 1: ns of the drug card toss and I was sitting
Speaker 1: at the table with him. That wasn't just another person.
Speaker 1: And I would say that at that time, I was
Speaker 1: proud that's what I did, and when we just had
Speaker 1: to change our life. It was all those moms. Things
Speaker 1: are getting taken for me, things that I'm not willing
Speaker 1: to give. I'm willing to lose money, I'm not willing
Speaker 1: to give up what I sacrificed so much for. It
Speaker 1: was that in all these years, all these things were
Speaker 1: changing me. Not just that I was going through hardships,
Speaker 1: that was maturing. I was under turning to understand like
Speaker 1: the destruction and everything that was doing to me to
Speaker 1: a family, and and understanding like my position and how
Speaker 1: I got there, and trying to understand that what we
Speaker 1: were doing wasn't the right thing to do. Like and
Speaker 1: we could sit there all the time and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're I don't do something like I'm proud of I
Speaker 1: don't hurt anyone, I don't kill anyone. I'm but that
Speaker 1: didn't matter. It did make me feel a little bit guilty,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I did feel at times like I
Speaker 1: was no different because I was. Actually I felt like
Speaker 1: I was participating, like now I'm there with them. And
Speaker 1: I used to think, well before I wasn't it. I
Speaker 1: remember one day think I was because I was still
Speaker 1: doing this in Chicago, and I think that goes back
Speaker 1: to how America perceives the drug trade. I was who
Speaker 1: I was because of the United States, not because of Mexico.
Speaker 1: Some ways, somehow, I guess we all have a part
Speaker 1: in what's feeling these the violence and how the business works.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's what I'm here, explaining how the
Speaker 1: business works, how it trickles down a lot of its politics.
Speaker 1: It's not just the is this anymore? And I had
Speaker 1: to see that. I had to live that fraid to
Speaker 1: affect me that way, you know, every time I had
Speaker 1: to go see them, or being those situations where I
Speaker 1: see people tied up, or I even be you know,
Speaker 1: around a bunch of armed men making sure that oh
Speaker 1: you're safe to get from puny to go and b
Speaker 1: I used to this sing for me, I know, just
Speaker 1: saying in a movie, this is not making me feel
Speaker 1: any better at all. I remember having a conversation with
Speaker 1: a friend of ours when I Throttle made the truth
Speaker 1: with the set that he said, my brother just got
Speaker 1: killed last week. They tortured him and killed them. How
Speaker 1: do you feel, how do you feel about that? He
Speaker 1: just like, well, I hurt that I don't have my brother,
Speaker 1: just I don't have to say, I just have to
Speaker 1: fall in line. The ongoing war between Cineloa and Losetas
Speaker 1: has killed more than double the amount of civilians than
Speaker 1: died in the entire Middle Eastern conflict since two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven. The war has been infamously brutal. Beheadings, hangings
Speaker 1: and indiscriminate murder were a hallmark. Everyone was a target,
Speaker 1: including children. There were no limits to the evil. People
Speaker 1: were boiled, killed with acid, cooked in ovens, and even
Speaker 1: fed alive to crocodiles. But it was the fracture within
Speaker 1: the Sineloa cartel that started to cause problems for j
Speaker 1: and Pete. There adopted cartel family was starting to fall apart.
Speaker 1: Rumors were swirling that Beltran was teaming up with the
Speaker 1: enemy Los SETAs, betraying his long term friend and founding partner.
Speaker 1: At the same time, Chapeau gave Beltran's brother, Alfredo, up
Speaker 1: to the Mexican authorities. Chapo saw Alfredo as a ability
Speaker 1: and as a bonus, he was able to negotiate a
Speaker 1: deal for the release of his son from prison. The
Speaker 1: Chapo Beltram breakup mc connage was about to follow. For
Speaker 1: everyone involved, We're being put in a tough situation. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to like really choose a side of
Speaker 1: the cartel that we're going to be loyal to, and
Speaker 1: by doing that, you're gonna create a home enemy. All
Speaker 1: those moments lead up to those that big decisions to say,
Speaker 1: I gotta stop this, and I'm tired of that, you know,
Speaker 1: hurting the people you love, like having them live in fear.
Speaker 1: And I lived in fear unselfishly. That's when Peter asked me, like, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been married a while already, and he
Speaker 1: asked me if I want to leave, Like, if this
Speaker 1: is there's the life that I want to live with him.
Speaker 1: I didn't let her answer, he didn't let me answer.
Speaker 1: I obviously I know what I wanted. I mean because
Speaker 1: if I didn't know what I wanted, I would have
Speaker 1: left a long time ago. I've had millions of reasons
Speaker 1: to leave, and not because he wasn't a good husband
Speaker 1: to me, not because he was a perfect husband to me,
Speaker 1: but all the signs were there, they were like flashing
Speaker 1: in my face. I knew what I wanted, but I
Speaker 1: just listened to him very patiently and gave him my answer.
Speaker 1: And you know, I stopped taking my birth control pills,
Speaker 1: and then I was like pregnant. So everything that I
Speaker 1: did want that day, everything that when we're sitting there
Speaker 1: and and um handcuffed together, and everything that I regret,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was I was giving that chance.
Speaker 1: I felt like my decision was it wasn't well worth it.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Peter's every decision that he made
Speaker 1: since he was seventeen years old that I suffered the
Speaker 1: consequences still today. A good husband Maybe would be different
Speaker 1: in somebody else's eyes, but to me, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: That he's a great husband to me, a good husband.
Speaker 1: It was a guilt that I carried, carried with me
Speaker 1: and yours hazardous to me, to her, to our future,
Speaker 1: to our marriage, to everything, and I had to do
Speaker 1: something about it. There was a time where I mean brother,
Speaker 1: did think that I could easily became one of them.
Speaker 1: Is it kind of surreal because as a kid, as
Speaker 1: a kid, you probably knew who Chopital was right when
Speaker 1: you were younger maybe, and then you were like, hang on,
Speaker 1: I am these are my idols, no question their my idols.
Speaker 1: That once I was there, I did think like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm idolizing men. They're no different. We need no different.
Speaker 1: There are men they're like me, they read they they're
Speaker 1: nothing special. Did you see yourself as like a drug
Speaker 1: lord kinkpin, because that's how they always get described. I
Speaker 1: didn't see myself as I never seen myself. I never
Speaker 1: seen myself as the way I'm talking about myself now.
Speaker 1: It was just everything building up since I guess our
Speaker 1: younger days, since we were kids. And there are so many,
Speaker 1: all these traumatical experiences that happened. And I know firsthand
Speaker 1: what they say about that life, about the life m
Speaker 1: Selling drugs leads to prison for death sometimes both. And
Speaker 1: I kind of knew that something was on the horizon,
Speaker 1: like the tensions, the talking about this and talking about that.
Speaker 1: And around that time, they had said certain rules. They
Speaker 1: wanted to keep the price of a kilo. They wanted
Speaker 1: to keep the price of drugs at a certain price.
Speaker 1: They wanted to keep it a certain number. For instance,
Speaker 1: in the beginning of kilo or cocaine, you could buy
Speaker 1: a killo cocaine in Mexico City for eight thous and
Speaker 1: could have gone it will cost you nine dollars. So
Speaker 1: as you're moving north to kilo becomes more expensive. Even
Speaker 1: in Mexico, and same for the States and the war
Speaker 1: that was happening against the set that was costing a
Speaker 1: lot of money. And you know, we sat down just
Speaker 1: said it doesn't make any sense. Wars are expensive, and
Speaker 1: I mean really expensive. Just so people don't realize this,
Speaker 1: my resation month, my overhead was five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a month. What you're ready of the head was half
Speaker 1: a million, half a million dollars a month. So even
Speaker 1: to break even you had to make five. Was that
Speaker 1: a lot of money? I see that a lot of money?
Speaker 1: Did you see that as a lot of five? No?
Speaker 1: To me, it wasn't a lot of money. When it
Speaker 1: came to invest in back and making sure that product
Speaker 1: was safe and that we're the best case scenario. If
Speaker 1: I walked away with you know, ten percent of profit,
Speaker 1: then to me, it was worth it five hundred anywhere
Speaker 1: from five of our profits. To me, it's like I
Speaker 1: always looked at what I was making, even if it
Speaker 1: took thirty of what I was making whatever. When it
Speaker 1: came to our organization and our infrastructure, that we did
Speaker 1: never ever took a shortcut, you know, like if I
Speaker 1: was gonna buy semi trucks, I'll be like, get me
Speaker 1: five brand new topic trucks and we're paying cash. Whatever
Speaker 1: the case it was, it was not going to be
Speaker 1: you know, I was not going to take it to
Speaker 1: a short cut. I was gonna make sure that we
Speaker 1: had the best equipment and the best workers and everyone
Speaker 1: got paid well so that no one had to actually
Speaker 1: ever kind of betray us or think differently. So the
Speaker 1: wall was brewing almost hadn't happened at that time. Yes,
Speaker 1: what we your choice is at that time, my choice
Speaker 1: was to keep going and pick a side. And because
Speaker 1: you knew that you would inevitably have to pick a side. Yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, I knew that was coming. And you couldn't
Speaker 1: go back to Chicago. I'm fusure if I wanted to
Speaker 1: in America. You know, we thought about going to another country. Yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, we kind of pleted that, you know a
Speaker 1: few times, like did you think about on the extraside
Speaker 1: of a country working at Costa Rica, we were pushing
Speaker 1: Spain at that time. Getting there wasn't the problem. It's
Speaker 1: just in Mexico. I was comfortable and we have a background.
Speaker 1: I could say this is what we do, and you
Speaker 1: have that ability to like maneuver and kind of blend
Speaker 1: in a little bit. I know the language and all
Speaker 1: the culture. Then by that time I was protected, right,
Speaker 1: I already had escaped from being captured at one time.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to another country have to
Speaker 1: deal with it. But I always said, like I'm simple,
Speaker 1: I could. I'd rather be lacked in a house by
Speaker 1: a nice house right then left in prison. But that
Speaker 1: came with a price. It meant that I was gonna
Speaker 1: have to break away from my family. My wife don't
Speaker 1: have to break away from her media family, because I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna take a chance for the FATS to find
Speaker 1: out that I'm a country where they could just go
Speaker 1: out and be like, hey, surprise, I'm here. Yes, they
Speaker 1: could easily get you in Spain because you were you
Speaker 1: weren't protected, and I'm one of those countries Canada or
Speaker 1: whatever the cases. That wasn't gonna solve what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. That wasn't solve what was in my heart
Speaker 1: for my family, you know, like a normal life. And
Speaker 1: it was really getting to me. I you know, my
Speaker 1: son was born. My son would always want to be
Speaker 1: with me, and he loved playing with cars, and he
Speaker 1: just say, I got caught up on the phone or something,
Speaker 1: he will start playing with. My workers were my security,
Speaker 1: and there they are holding a rifle back in that
Speaker 1: was in the back and forth with a massive rifle.
Speaker 1: That wasn't what I wanted for my kids. Like I
Speaker 1: did that me running was wasn't gonna take away from
Speaker 1: the hurt and the wrong I was actually doing to
Speaker 1: my family. I saw myself like, here has no idea.
Speaker 1: You know, a year old I saw like that that
Speaker 1: I thought about my life. How you got accustom to
Speaker 1: certain things I used to think about me. That's what
Speaker 1: my family or you're not gonna do this. You could learn,
Speaker 1: you could be good at it, but you're not gonna
Speaker 1: do this. It's the perstanges. So there's options. And I
Speaker 1: did believe that at that time. I started going with
Speaker 1: this nose and always say like, yeah, all good things
Speaker 1: are difficult. All those good things are going to take
Speaker 1: some sacrifice. The easy to oh it's easy, don't go
Speaker 1: to work. It's easy to stay home, but that's not
Speaker 1: right thing to do. Right. The impending cartel war meant
Speaker 1: that everyone was on high alert, and it wasn't just
Speaker 1: Pete and j who were at risk of being caught
Speaker 1: up in choosing a side. Val and Viev might have
Speaker 1: joined the twins willingly, but just like the twins themselves,
Speaker 1: their children will be born into our life. They didn't
Speaker 1: choose JM. Val already had a one year old and
Speaker 1: they had another on the way. Pete and Viev were
Speaker 1: pregnant for the first time. And do we call options?
Speaker 1: Always thinking of options, and me and my brother did
Speaker 1: this a lot. He'll be like, this is what we
Speaker 1: need and just you know, in the business, we're always
Speaker 1: I think we made a successful that we were always
Speaker 1: looking for the next thing. We didn't set up. We
Speaker 1: didn't say, okay, listen to it. I know I needed
Speaker 1: like some type of solution for what was coming. I
Speaker 1: remember my brother and me thinking like wow, by talking
Speaker 1: one time, it's gonna get really rough. Both our words
Speaker 1: are pregnant. Now I remember, like, it's gonna get rough,
Speaker 1: Like it's not. I don't think it's even safe for
Speaker 1: them to be here anymore, like us being scared, like nervous,
Speaker 1: like tell them that while they're pregnant, they need our support.
Speaker 1: We're scared of telling them that we didn't think there
Speaker 1: was a good idea for them to be with US
Speaker 1: at the time. I got people in Colombia at the time,
Speaker 1: just in case we're doing business that I gotta keep
Speaker 1: up with them. I got people in Mexico City, I
Speaker 1: got people that are working Wallahara, I got people in
Speaker 1: I got people in Harsh. I have people in Mexicaligue,
Speaker 1: l A, Chicago, Ohio, Detroit, New York that I you know,
Speaker 1: how to be responsible for on a daily basis. It
Speaker 1: takes a lot, It will take a lot of work.
Speaker 1: So that have people with me. There's the people for
Speaker 1: that work, real organization. There's there's like then we have
Speaker 1: associate set that we're doing business, like somebody might be
Speaker 1: doing this for me in you meet them, you're talking
Speaker 1: to So I have twenty people every day on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, depending on in some way somehow for even
Speaker 1: the smallest things, like right around that time, I would
Speaker 1: promise a wow that would like rub her feet everything
Speaker 1: before she went to bed, And sometimes I could be
Speaker 1: right there with her, but like we're not really talking.
Speaker 1: She's in my presence, but two different lives. I remember
Speaker 1: burn my feet and you know I'm getting phone cause
Speaker 1: I had just lost a million dollars in New York
Speaker 1: that day. But a seizure. And I think it was
Speaker 1: my brother calling me and I have our speaker because
Speaker 1: i'm massage. I'm haven't a speaker, Like, so, how much
Speaker 1: did we lose? How much wasn't I think it was
Speaker 1: like ten or close to ten. And he's like, damn
Speaker 1: that sucks, Like, well, okay, well let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: Just to keep in posting, like okay, you know she's
Speaker 1: getting massage, like her belly big and sick. Baby, did
Speaker 1: I just say, as you said that you lost ten
Speaker 1: what like ten thousand? And I'm like, no, ten million
Speaker 1: and chicken, you're fucking massage in my feet. It's okay
Speaker 1: for you, it's okay. I don't even worry about it. No, no,
Speaker 1: and then it's okay. That was life for us. To us,
Speaker 1: it was just the business, and you know her as
Speaker 1: more was the people who were losing, those people that
Speaker 1: were associated that hurt us. But it was just I
Speaker 1: guess the business, right h At that time, I was
Speaker 1: living in the city. Well, how we're kind of more
Speaker 1: by ourselves, me and we are by ourselves. And val
Speaker 1: had actually will travel back to Chicago once a month
Speaker 1: for like a week or ten days it'll give me
Speaker 1: in Tommy, my best friend, chance to kind of like
Speaker 1: just we just hang out. I was watching TV and
Speaker 1: this documentary came out about John Gotti in the MOFILM,
Speaker 1: and I was translating it for Tommy basically talking about
Speaker 1: the case, so I was translated for him. It basically
Speaker 1: talked about Sammy the Boost case and John got it
Speaker 1: their history, and it just said that, you know, Sammy
Speaker 1: the book had received five years for nineteen murders first
Speaker 1: corporation against Jang Gaddi, and you know at that time,
Speaker 1: I mean I already knew of the story, but this
Speaker 1: was kind of going in debt about details and how
Speaker 1: they kind of got to the point of the investigation.
Speaker 1: So us it was like not a big deal, I
Speaker 1: guess right, but I'm sure that for the eight years
Speaker 1: or from New York, but whatever. At the time, it
Speaker 1: was a big deal to them. And I remember thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, Wow, yeah, five years for covering against Siang Gaddi.
Speaker 1: In my head, I was like, who the fuck is
Speaker 1: Joan Gaddi. John Gotti was the boss of the Gambino
Speaker 1: crime family in New York. He was known as one
Speaker 1: of the most dangerous and powerful crime bosses in the US.
Speaker 1: Gotti was the original tef London. No one could get
Speaker 1: a conviction to stick until his whitehamed man Sammy the Ball,
Speaker 1: cooperated with the FBI to help put Gotti behind bars.
Speaker 1: Sammy the Ball confessed to nineteen murders but received a
Speaker 1: five year prison sentence because of his cooperation. The people
Speaker 1: we were dealing with, I felt like I was living
Speaker 1: John got his whole life. Each day kind of left
Speaker 1: this like imprinting me like wow, it was an idea.
Speaker 1: I'm saying this today because I do recall that moment.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you that I kind of thought
Speaker 1: about it, maybe not cooperating, but the difference between John Gotti,
Speaker 1: who was John gott It to the mob and who
Speaker 1: was Chapel to the world, I guess, or who was
Speaker 1: Miles and about that to the world, you're kind of
Speaker 1: away those things go. It was, Oh, he was such
Speaker 1: an important criminal figure in New York City, whereas Chapin
Speaker 1: was Willed Whige, Drew King Finn. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: there's seventies six countries that the organization was in. Kind
Speaker 1: of left that I thought in my head I would
Speaker 1: get to badly that time time I was sleepy one day,
Speaker 1: I guess my mind would always be racing. I woke
Speaker 1: up in the middle of night and I too call
Speaker 1: it in epiphany. It was this moment of just clarity,
Speaker 1: I could cooperate and came past. I could co operation,
Speaker 1: I could do some time, and I could just have
Speaker 1: a different life. I could get out. I could just
Speaker 1: leave this. I remember looking over about like then it
Speaker 1: just hit me, like brought me back to out. It
Speaker 1: like calling the funk down. Hold on, hold on, you
Speaker 1: just said something really stupid. And I remember I always
Speaker 1: talked to God. I always said, like this came to
Speaker 1: me for a reason, and I was trying to think
Speaker 1: about all the stupid decisions I made that I had
Speaker 1: thought about and the reason why I was scared to
Speaker 1: talk about because she had this, you know that said
Speaker 1: she could have had hate at times, and she did
Speaker 1: not like snuches at all. Today she's a different woman.
Speaker 1: I think she's at peace. At that time, I guess
Speaker 1: just from her being in the business and her everything
Speaker 1: been through. She didn't like stitches and I knew how
Speaker 1: she felt, so I felt I different, like, uh, a
Speaker 1: little bit less of a man. Just don't even think
Speaker 1: about that. But I'm like sitting here, like thinking, would
Speaker 1: I tell her, Like, how do I even know if
Speaker 1: this is a good idea? I can't even say it.
Speaker 1: She was gonna be my filter. She was gonna be like,
Speaker 1: let me tell her first, because he's like, could trust
Speaker 1: her that she would be honest. We probably go to
Speaker 1: my brother, who I knew it was gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: I woke up, I felt good, just like energy, not
Speaker 1: until like I came back to that like a little bit.
Speaker 1: I thought about what I was gonna say, what Peter
Speaker 1: was gonna say her. Then you almost like talk to
Speaker 1: yourself that it was, Oh no, it stepidst idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I saw her and I just I remember just
Speaker 1: seeing her and seeing my son. He's in his crew
Speaker 1: at the time. I know this is the thing to do,
Speaker 1: but I'm always open to me the wrong. Maybe someone
Speaker 1: could tell me something better. I just couldn't sleep after that,
Speaker 1: and I still remember throughout the day like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was keeping something from her. The next night,
Speaker 1: she's sleeping, I have to tell her. But I had
Speaker 1: planned to get her right in the middle by she sleeping,
Speaker 1: so she was calm, and I'm like, I could be
Speaker 1: ruining her stay. She could be so mad and then
Speaker 1: I forget it. But right when she was calm, where
Speaker 1: she was gonna hopefully just take it in you know,
Speaker 1: the right way. I know, just you know, like baby
Speaker 1: b because she didn't. She was heavy sleeper, so like
Speaker 1: she finally together like hey, why what what's wrong? I
Speaker 1: was like, I need to talk to you. What let's say.
Speaker 1: It's important, it's really important. She's turned like, yeah, what's wrong?
Speaker 1: You know? I started off like I do this a lot.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you something. It's just an idea,
Speaker 1: but please don't be mad. Just don't be mad, just
Speaker 1: think about it, or just just don't be mad, just
Speaker 1: tell me, respond to me in a nice way, just
Speaker 1: tell me no, or just don't be upset. Could you
Speaker 1: just promise me you won't be all set? And she
Speaker 1: looks a little bit like nervous. She's thinking, what the
Speaker 1: hell did you do? Right? She's like, NA, like, I
Speaker 1: won't be mad, but tell me, I like, you prom
Speaker 1: is you're not gonna be upset, You're not gonna look
Speaker 1: at me a certain way. And she's like, no, that
Speaker 1: you could trust me to tell me? And they said,
Speaker 1: you know how I promised you that would change my
Speaker 1: Life's like, yes, what if I told you I have
Speaker 1: the answer? And she's like, what do you mean? I said,
Speaker 1: what if I told you I had the answer? How
Speaker 1: I could change my life? But we could have a
Speaker 1: different life. It's just like, yeah, I'm lost. And I repeated, like,
Speaker 1: what if I told you I had the answer but
Speaker 1: it was gonna take some type of sacrifice, but we
Speaker 1: could have a different life for our kids. What would
Speaker 1: you say? I would say, let's do it right, just
Speaker 1: hold that thought. It will take a big sacrifice. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I tell me your said, I hope this doesn't change
Speaker 1: of relationship. Just no, I won't. Just let me know.
Speaker 1: And I said, what if we were to cooperate? Did
Speaker 1: she give us? She said what? My heart? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm nervous, Like and I'm thinking, was that what? Like
Speaker 1: I didn't understand you because I could have just been shired.
Speaker 1: I said, what if we cooperate? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I said, like, what if? And he reached out to
Speaker 1: the said and we cooperate? It was like, you're crazy, like,
Speaker 1: just what if? What if we co operate? If Sam
Speaker 1: in the book Five Years Who seven book got five years.
Speaker 1: What if we were to turn in the top all
Speaker 1: on my one of them. I think we would have
Speaker 1: to do some prison time, but we'll have a chance
Speaker 1: to change your life. And she just stood there staring
Speaker 1: at me, and I'm coming up with this just at
Speaker 1: that moment. I didn't think about it that far. I'm
Speaker 1: just the first basic was I didn't expect her to
Speaker 1: be like, how already got that? And she's quiet and
Speaker 1: she's just tearing me, and then she just started crying.
Speaker 1: She said, do it. That's what Chan did, though. She said,
Speaker 1: but what are you gonna do about your brother? I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do prison time. She's like, how
Speaker 1: long do you think? I said, I'm not sure, and
Speaker 1: she said how much does the same we get. I
Speaker 1: said five years. She's like, oh, well, you would get
Speaker 1: less than that. And I'm like, wow, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I said, let's just be realistic. Say we get
Speaker 1: ten years, and you know, i'd have to do it
Speaker 1: and have for a good time if I could get
Speaker 1: a couple programs out. I'm being really positive too, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'd have to do like seven years. Seven years I'll
Speaker 1: take and we'll be out. And she's like seven years.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, your average parents goes to work, and
Speaker 1: I started to calculate, wrap my phone up, have a
Speaker 1: calculate in it. They were four hours a week. Starts
Speaker 1: doing this calculation, and I'm thinking that they're averaging maybe
Speaker 1: spending four hours a day with their kid on the
Speaker 1: week days and then you know on the weekends they
Speaker 1: have four days, you know, but any time for themselves, Like,
Speaker 1: we're not that far off all the time we could
Speaker 1: spend with our kids in the process. And she's just
Speaker 1: like ten years. I'm just saying worst case, and she's like,
Speaker 1: do it. I was blind about what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: That it kept me like from seeing anything that I
Speaker 1: think would make me think twice or make me reconsider.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about the money. I didn't think about
Speaker 1: anything else, put about changing my life. I do remember
Speaker 1: like me about talking about a little bit more. You know,
Speaker 1: when I think of something that I have an idea
Speaker 1: of people who do know me, I get excited. I
Speaker 1: get like anti like I wanted to get to it.
Speaker 1: So I would like talked about about different things, you know,
Speaker 1: all the days, just no matter what I was doing,
Speaker 1: I was like going back to that God, and I
Speaker 1: did feel a lot like I felt really loved. I
Speaker 1: think that's what I was always looking for in the
Speaker 1: way that I was receiving that love from violence. I
Speaker 1: remember just like I would see her, I would look
Speaker 1: at her like I was happy, but then I'd be
Speaker 1: nervous thinking about my brother. I don't remember thinking about
Speaker 1: anything else, you know, I was just thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I was looking for a good time to tell my
Speaker 1: brother too. Days later I wanted to. It was within
Speaker 1: that week or so, We're gonna go to a business meeting,
Speaker 1: you know. We're talking and said, hey, Peter, like I
Speaker 1: need to talk to about something. But you can't be bad.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you can, I said, I want
Speaker 1: to say something to you. I want to just give
Speaker 1: me an idea. But if you don't like it, just
Speaker 1: just don't be mad, you know, just hear me out.
Speaker 1: He already tell me, I said, you're not gonna be mad,
Speaker 1: and he will always like get mad at that just sucking.
Speaker 1: Tell me, what the fun did you do? I said, no,
Speaker 1: listen to an idea, all right. Tell me. I was nervous.
Speaker 1: I was really nervous. My heart is like I feel
Speaker 1: like it's shrinking, like I'm like, we know what's coming.
Speaker 1: I think we have a chance, like we could get
Speaker 1: out this life. And he's like, oh, how how is that?
Speaker 1: Don't be mad? He said, fucking tell me a ready,
Speaker 1: And what if we would cooperate? He said what I said,
Speaker 1: what if we were to cooperate? I couldn't even finish
Speaker 1: saying the last one when he was like, you was stupid.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker just started screaming, yelling, and and I'm like, y'll
Speaker 1: calm down, like you don't want the fucker like we
Speaker 1: just end up just we're too closer, so that we
Speaker 1: started to get physical, started kind of throwing each other
Speaker 1: like you're stupid, but you know, like literally throwing each
Speaker 1: other against the wall, like you dumb motherfucker. What'd you
Speaker 1: fucking ever say that? Again? Is stupid buck? Everything you
Speaker 1: could think of, and I just took it. I felt defeated.
Speaker 1: I went from still be nervous, but think about it.
Speaker 1: I felt like I had just invented something new, right
Speaker 1: like my ventions someone just as it sucks, right Like
Speaker 1: I felt defeated. I wasn't even mad, like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was letting him let his anger come on. Remember,
Speaker 1: I just kind of like stepped away, like you'll just
Speaker 1: calmed down, all right, just chill, and he was just
Speaker 1: like look at me, mad, like stupid ass, like everything
Speaker 1: you could think of it. And I didn't really to
Speaker 1: see him. I don't remember feel like why does he
Speaker 1: get that decision? Because at that time I was like
Speaker 1: always coming up with different ideas. And but then I said, oh,
Speaker 1: I argue went so well, he's right. We didn't make
Speaker 1: this decision together to come into the hurt. It couldn't
Speaker 1: hurt me a couple of days past life, I remember
Speaker 1: thought him looking at it, We're making millions of balls
Speaker 1: of month. Everything's going good. Don't suck this up, all right?
Speaker 1: I could tell that he already down. I was already
Speaker 1: making him up. Mike and bulls boy, remember my brother
Speaker 1: is that well there was his mindset that where he
Speaker 1: was making that decision doing they could affect everything else.
Speaker 1: Like that was the main issue that was bothering me
Speaker 1: when I wanted to choke him up with like broth,
Speaker 1: do listen to what you're willing to understand. And I
Speaker 1: still not only that, I said the satisfy that we
Speaker 1: looked alike. I would, but it looks like mine he
Speaker 1: has a rally of reason. He has a valid reason,
Speaker 1: valid valid he has read it. We look alike. They
Speaker 1: don't know who the right, They don't nothing. But basically,
Speaker 1: no matter what, they didn't see us. That's two they
Speaker 1: saw his once. And what was I thinking? It's kind
Speaker 1: of like in having my brother as you know, as
Speaker 1: my overprotective brother of course, and then having him as
Speaker 1: a business partner, and we're so intertwining through our life
Speaker 1: with each other and in so many ways obviously we're twins,
Speaker 1: but I just feel a little bit like, wow, I
Speaker 1: can't even make the decision for my family. We're a
Speaker 1: package deal regardless if we don't agree on many things,
Speaker 1: I mean, a big decision like that, we have to agree.
Speaker 1: It has to work for both of us. How was it?
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about it. We actually it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I could tell he still had like a little anger,
Speaker 1: and I want to maybe a week, ten days later,
Speaker 1: twelve days later. It was a while. My form rang
Speaker 1: wenday with the weekday day and night like twue morning
Speaker 1: and like hell, and it was hello. He's just like,
Speaker 1: how would we do it? Surviving l Chapo The twins
Speaker 1: who brought down a drug Lord is hosted by Curtis
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