1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: M no brother, risk of pulling man, I tend to 2 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: go to prison. I've got it's fit to st Jackson 3 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: and I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving o chocol 4 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: that's once you brought down the drug walk. The feeder 5 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: ages to say to move us from the office into 6 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: these bulletproof trucks. I get a call. Let's music one 7 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: of the top lieutenants. He's like, you know, I need 8 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: to talk to you. It can be important. They got 9 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: eight or hundred men ready to come get join your brother. 10 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: But we're gonna need a decision for doing your brother 11 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: because there's a chance that you might not make it 12 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: out of life. I'm going to ask you a question 13 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: and I just want you to tell me yes or no. 14 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Our lives are filled with thousands of choices that we 15 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: have to make split second decisions that change the directions 16 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: of our lives. But sometimes you don't want to choose. 17 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Peter and Jay were looking at their lives being taken 18 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: away no matter what, like in prison or a gunshot. Today. 19 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: In that moment, through the crackle of the phone line, 20 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: speaking to the cartel's top lieutenant, Busico j decided that 21 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: being taken to prison by the U. S. Marshal's is 22 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: a face scarier to death. Instead, they risked the potential 23 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: blood bath of a cartel battle. So I'm gonna ask 24 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: you a question. Do you a green light for us 25 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: to go get you? Yes? What's it? Go? Said? I 26 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: think you're making the right decision. I want you to 27 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: know something. You see those federal agents they're no different 28 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: than you and me. They're ready to die. They're not 29 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: gonna go out alone when we come. I just know 30 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: they're gonna try to kill you first. So if you 31 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: could get one of their guns or something high, run, 32 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: do whatever you can do it. That was really hard 33 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: for him to take. I'm sitting right next to them. 34 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: They have gone with him. He just reminded me, like, 35 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: this is America. They will tell you. And I said, 36 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: I understand, you know. I'm being really like, just easy 37 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: with my words, not saying too much. And then he said, 38 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: I want you to know something. You're my friend, he 39 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: says a man like I respect you and your brother, 40 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: I admire you. I love you, man, I came to 41 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: love you. If anything happens, I just want you to 42 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: know that you have everyone's your respect and don't worry 43 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: about your family. They're gonna be okay. Dad made me 44 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: get rid of emotion. He just listened to me be emotional. 45 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I literally sat him crave and my brother Peter just 46 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: kind of just tap me. He didn't know what was 47 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: going on, so I said, it's a musical. Listen. You know, 48 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: I have a couple of debts that I want to pay. 49 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: He said, look at you. You're in a life and 50 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: destitutional worried about someone else, worried about yourself right now. 51 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I just don't want not to happen to my family. 52 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: Don't worry. I'll give you my word that nothing that 53 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: happened to your family. We'll do whatever we have to do. 54 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: His words meant a lot to me at that time. 55 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: I was taking that the bosses were saying that they 56 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: admire and respected me. That was a big deal to me. 57 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: M and we said our goodbyes. I hung up the phone. 58 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: That was gonna be the last card get and I 59 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: just whispered to my brothers, they're gonna come get us. 60 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: There's a chance that these doing thing's gonna be happy. 61 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: He understood. I remember him just like, look at me. 62 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: It was just like, damn, I know what he remember 63 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: like this is what our life has become, this is 64 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: how our life hands. I'm just thinking of your life 65 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: as a whole. And I started kind of like, what 66 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: is my life? This is gonna be my life? That 67 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: I saw a bunch of drugs and I died in 68 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a shootout. Oh wow, he was a great drug dealer. 69 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: He was a man of his word. And my kids 70 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: for our father, you know, my wife or her husband. Yeah, 71 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: and still that at that time, I was like, I'm 72 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: as possible, this is what we chose. And everyone well 73 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: at that time, I think people in that life, we 74 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: may decide, oh, it's for the money, and you just 75 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: started digging yourself into this ditch deeper and deeper, and 76 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: it's for the money, for the money, for the money. 77 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: By that time, I don't think me my beerly even 78 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: talked about profits. Yes, it was different for us. It 79 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: was yeah, I could buy anything I wanted, but everything 80 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: I wanted I couldn't buy with money will fulfilled me. 81 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: I think was I you hadn't make a family. And 82 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I think maturing seeing what was like all those other 83 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: moments where you were like Facebook, life and death, I 84 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: think you started realizing, Wow, that money wasn't doing nothing 85 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: for me, them house to them cars. At that time, 86 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: we're what, we're twenty five years old, believe it or not. 87 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: I used to think I was old. You know, I 88 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: had friends passed away whenever, seventeen eighteen. No one ever 89 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: lasted that long. Either you go to Jarler than to die. 90 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: We drove wrong for a little while. They made a 91 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: stop at a parking lot. Some of the agents got 92 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: off and they met up with other agents other people, 93 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: and I could see them kind of like arguing, maybe, 94 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, hands throwing up in the air and stuff. 95 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: There's probably sixteen total. There's like four or five i'll 96 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: be goes suburbans. And they jumping back in the car. 97 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: And when they jumped back in the car, I knew 98 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: something wasn't right because they jumped in the car. They 99 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: kind of said something. I don't know what they said, 100 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: and I just heard all the clicks with their grounds 101 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: in my heart probably kept the beat. And I'm sitting 102 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: down and one of the agent has he has his 103 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: air fatigues putting up around the chamber, but he has 104 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: his handgun under his leg and it's cocked. He has 105 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: it under his leg right here on my left side, 106 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, we end up driving. We leave there. 107 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: We followed the other veh because there of the agents 108 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: or whoever the men were that they met with, but 109 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: they were like kind of well dressed, and we followed 110 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: up and we started driving two roads. I knew to 111 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: me we're heading back to the airport. I see that 112 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: there's vehicles part like, there's vehicles stopped. I see that 113 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: there's two young guys in uh like utility vests and 114 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: they have a case and they're standing in the middle 115 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: street and he sees he sees them. They're holding their 116 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: gun and he calls them and I come here. They're 117 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: waving their hands and he tells them, like turn and 118 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: they easily turned in and I could feel their attention. 119 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: I could just be there. And they said, we said 120 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: to night. I'm able to see. To my right there's 121 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: like eight are men everyone holding a case Rocky lnswer 122 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: and they ease the trucks something to the street and 123 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: one of the agent says, don't make a move. They 124 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: surround all the vehicles and I'm like, like frightened, fear. 125 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: I can't even explain, you just stopped. He just said, 126 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: don't move, and we stop and they're just like sitting still. 127 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: All the vehicles and all their are men like come. 128 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: They start trying to poke in, and they're like telling 129 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: them like just you know, calm, just calm, all young kids. 130 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: They have to be most of the one in on. 131 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: They're probably some of them could barely carry the gun. 132 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: And I just started looking around. I looked and on 133 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: they're just like restaurant canopy. I see that there's two 134 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: guys standing there and there's a three for like cicargo 135 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: standing in front of him. I'm on the driver's side. 136 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: He looks like a kid. Karen a k turns back. 137 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: He puts in his back and he tells the guy something. 138 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: I could see him moving him. He has a paper 139 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: in his hand. He went up to the truck and 140 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: he says like this, he's not like poincided like here. 141 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: I guess they was asking him we were in that truck. 142 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: He opens the door. The faradies don't want He said, 143 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: don't move. We're gonna do this the right way. And 144 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: he tells him you guys in Spanish and he's cursing, 145 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: like one false move, We're all going to hell. Guys, 146 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: just sit there. The guy comes and he looks it 147 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: looks at mean, he's holding the paper I can't see 148 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: and when he turns it is our wanted picture. M h. 149 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: And he goes like this, so he thumbs up. He 150 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: called like, let's go to you and Pete. So I 151 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: I have the phone in hand. Peter jumps off and 152 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start walking away, and I said hold on 153 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: one second. And I come back to the door. He's 154 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: like hold on, like what are you doing? And I'm like, 155 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: hold on. The mandate was in charge, He's in no 156 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: frent seat. I said, I'm not gonna need your phone 157 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: and and I said I'm gonna keep my word. I'm 158 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: gonna make sure I pay you something. Yeah, And he 159 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: was like yes, sir, And I reached over and I 160 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: shook his hand. I shook their head and shook all 161 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: five guys that were there, shook their hands. Why did 162 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: you do that to me? I was taking responsibility for 163 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: putting myself in this situation. I put their life. Ever 164 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: they were at home and they get the call like 165 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: we have these tutures from the US and they coming 166 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: next to you know, now their life at risk because 167 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: of doing new job. And it was my way of 168 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: representing who I was don't worry. I'm gonna take care 169 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: of your guys. I shook their hands out of respect 170 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: to them. It wasn't me trying to be something that wasn't. 171 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: It was me just being myself, the business man. I 172 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: was the man that I was like the person I 173 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: was right, still being nice in the situation that I 174 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: don't having respect for them in a way, and I 175 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: tapped on them. I have seen they closed the door. 176 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: The guy stood there. My brother was in front of me. 177 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: We walked up to the stoop right. The two men 178 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: were staying and they have man bags, are man presses 179 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: for car one of lam heather a hanging on his shoulder, 180 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, like they're the ones in charge when they 181 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: reaches out. He was a lieutenant for that organisation. And 182 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: then the other guy was Mentor never Ceeo Sguardo Saventes, 183 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: known as Almno or just Mencho, was a high ranking 184 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: member of the Millennial Cartel. Millennial was a part of 185 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: the Sinelo Federation and they fought side by side against 186 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: the federation's main rivals, los Zetas in the Cartel War. 187 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: Mencho's boss a Millennial was a Lobo Valencia. When a 188 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Lobo was captured by the Mexican authorities. He was extradited 189 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: to the US to serve twenty five years in a 190 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: federal prison. Millennial fractured and Mencho started the Helisco New 191 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: Generation cartel known as c J and G. Many thought 192 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: Menho had handed Our Lobo to the federalies so he 193 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: could lead his own cartel. Whatever the reason, it worked. 194 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: C J and G is now considered the most dangerous 195 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: criminal organization in Mexico, and Mencho himself is one of 196 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: the most wanted men in the world, with a ten 197 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: million dollar bounty on his head. And if you've ever 198 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: visited or are in Los Angeles, you might have even 199 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: seen Mencho's face on a few d A billboards around 200 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: the place. There's even one near Dodgers Stadium. Hey, mental 201 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: pleasures to find Mitra. Okay, they're good. Yeah that Hey 202 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: you don't you have a couple people when need to 203 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: talk to you the handles like Twerey forms. One of 204 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: them was done the boss at the time. Her name 205 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: was Lowell Valencia. He was the head of the Millennial 206 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Crata was part of the Federation. Just a smiler group 207 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: got on the phone kind of quick, thank you, I 208 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: talked to the Center Sambada and the other form the Center. 209 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: Zambarda is Maya Zambarda's eldest son. He was one of 210 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: the most senior members of the cartel and answered directly 211 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: to the bosses Chapo Mayo and Oltro Beltran. Vicente handled 212 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: shipments across South America. He co ordinated corruption with a 213 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: budget of one million dollars per month, which he used 214 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: to pay bribes, and he also manipulated people for his father. 215 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: Vicente was eventually arrested in two thousand and nine and 216 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: he pled guilty to using private planes, submarines, and speedboats 217 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: to traffic over billion dollars worth of cocaine and heroin. 218 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: They didn't have nice things to say. Put it that way. 219 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: What did I say? First of course was are you okay? 220 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: And it's like, what the fuck are you doing that? 221 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: And it's so weird because to be sent that, he's uh, 222 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: he was like younger than his father, so he has 223 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: like that cool I can't slang so every other world 224 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: like you've done mofuck like and I said, come on, man, 225 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: I had a lot of day. Let's work this out later. Yeah, 226 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: And he's like, listen, you have a bunch of people 227 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: roughed up right here, like you you need to come 228 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: and and take care of this soon. I'm like, let 229 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: me get home and we'll get to that. It's weird 230 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: because my relationship with him wasn't what people expect. It 231 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: was a friendly relationship no matter what. It was a 232 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: friendly relationship, and they treated be kind of like family. 233 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: Was like it was their family, kind of like they're 234 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: going to talk to it in a nice way, like 235 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: it's still in their way, but they're still like family, 236 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: can ye? Mentors like I have orders our dab is 237 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: that make sure we get your back on safe. So 238 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: at this point you're still not safe. So he said, 239 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: so the use my should that coming? You see these 240 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: two guys they bring up, they have a case, they're 241 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: too dark, one of them chubby in the twenties guys, 242 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: and said these guys are the guys were going to 243 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: give for them. They're going to go with them. The 244 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: US Marshals were only minutes away, and the federalies had 245 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: to give them something, so they quickly got two random 246 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: guys to pretend to be j and Pete and put 247 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: them in a car to be delivered to the U. S. Government. 248 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: The federalies were embarrassed, but giving up the wrong people 249 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: was better than admitting they had to let the real 250 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: fugitives go. And so they were in the cause that 251 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: you've just been in the bullet proof cars with the 252 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: federalies to drive to the U. S. Marshals to kind 253 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: of like say, oh, we had the wrong guys. It's 254 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: the sage, right, Yeah, that's coming. It's common practice. Mentor 255 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: he was like, do they look like you guys? Said, hell, no, 256 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: these are ugly motherfucker's Like, you know, I had to 257 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: make a joke out of it, and then, like I know, 258 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: I felt bad. I was like, hold on, are you 259 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: guys okay? He's like, man, I guess what they gave 260 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: us all a bunch of laqueors so we could get drunk, 261 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: so they could look like they were party. They give 262 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: us some coke. It's a good day, mind roots, ten 263 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: eleven in the morning. But they're about to be sent 264 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: into the Lions Down. No. I guess they knew. They're 265 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: really get to like these are twins? Are gonna be 266 00:19:54,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: like your your fucking mind, like these are too dark Mexican. Yeah, 267 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: they're not twins. Nice set. We're gonna take care of 268 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: the dory. There was one happening. They're drunk and high. 269 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: They went and dumped in the cars. H I didn't 270 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: even think twins did put me in another bullet for 271 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: car with them, it felt a little bit better. And 272 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: and I guess there's like one of the lieutenants I 273 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: went with. One of the mentioned lieutenant was a driver 274 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: and him an older man. They asked me, where are 275 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: you staying at It's a thirty five minute forty minute drive. 276 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: It's a six seven card caravan. Both Cicarios and me, 277 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: I know there's a military checkpoint going into that park. 278 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm like worried. I said, is there another way? He said, well, 279 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: what do you mean we're Dan said, you know, just 280 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: a military checkpoint. I don't worry about that. Don't worry 281 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: about that. And sure enough we're coming. They waved them. 282 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: They have their guns in their hands, I mean rifles, 283 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: like literally they waved. We rode by past them. I 284 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: was shocked because like that, like the military, that doesn't 285 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: really happen. I don't think. It's a beautiful day here. 286 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: I am like having the shiftiest day, and it looks 287 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: so beautiful. They all doubt into the house and they 288 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: all started getting off with their guns. Valin Viev were 289 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: anxiously waiting back at the house after the federalities would 290 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: let them go free. In the negotiations back at the 291 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: police station, they had no idea if they'd ever see 292 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: j and Pete again. The back and forth that Valerie 293 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and I were going through on our own, no one's 294 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: giving us any kind of any news of what's going 295 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: on with them. I've seen all the trucks and the 296 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: guys and then they were armed, and it was like, 297 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: this is you know, it's weird because in one way 298 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: it was like paradise and the other way it was like, hell, 299 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: we're in the most beautiful probably peaches of Mexico. There 300 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: we are like living through the worst one of the 301 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: worst moments in our lives. I think that that's like, really, 302 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: I would say them depending on me of what our 303 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: lives were before that, that every happy moment, every beautiful 304 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: moment in our lives, every memorable moment our lives, was 305 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: overshadowed by a bad moment. You get used to it 306 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: and then you just wait and then you're like, Okay, 307 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: well we'll get over this, and you know it'll pass tomorrow. 308 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: You know. That's that time that I was telling you 309 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: Charlie that you know we live on these high moments 310 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: because that's how I could live, was the high moments 311 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: that we were going through and the low low moments, 312 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: and these the turmoil that we would always go through too. 313 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: It's like, we'll pass through it, We'll get through it, 314 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: and then you become like you get um M, I 315 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: could get rid of the Kurt Tel and our story 316 00:23:48,800 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: via fairy tale. I come in and Bob was like, 317 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: she was upstairs kiss getting her stuff. I was surprised, 318 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: why if she was still even there. We walked in 319 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: and she was. They were a shot because you see 320 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: all these dudes coming in with guns, and I just 321 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: saw me started crying and we all cried. Then I 322 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: introduced value to mental. He was sitting there, Yeah, just 323 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: radio in his hand. He's kind of sitting like really 324 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: cocky though, on the table, like with his legs opening. 325 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: He has to raido here and he's playing with the 326 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: switch with his gun in his hand. He's like, yeah, 327 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: I don't want We're gonna leave. You know, we have 328 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: a federal police coming to West Quarters, back to Galahara. 329 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: Did that change you after that? Oh? For sure. It 330 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: made me see what I could be facing, kind of 331 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: like it was my reality for that time, and now 332 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: I'm getting a glimpse of what could happen. And that 333 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: wasn't a good feeling. That was not something that I liked. 334 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: What happened to the US Martials and the two guys 335 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: that were put in your replacement or later, and I 336 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: did find that they didn't make it. Did you ever 337 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: give that guy his money? I did? It kind of 338 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: looked like I did, and we end up giving him 339 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: like two point five million dollars. Everyone he had anything 340 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: to do with it, got it, chunk. It was two 341 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: point five million a lot of money to you at 342 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: that point. There's money that we considered to be the 343 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: cost of doing business. So that's his overhead. The company 344 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: can't function without the CEOs are micro managing like everything. 345 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: So you take it as lost. It was what it was. 346 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you prepare for those things. We were at 347 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: the top, right and I like to see the upper 348 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: ns of the drug card toss and I was sitting 349 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: at the table with him. That wasn't just another person. 350 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: And I would say that at that time, I was 351 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: proud that's what I did, and when we just had 352 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: to change our life. It was all those moms. Things 353 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: are getting taken for me, things that I'm not willing 354 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: to give. I'm willing to lose money, I'm not willing 355 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: to give up what I sacrificed so much for. It 356 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: was that in all these years, all these things were 357 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: changing me. Not just that I was going through hardships, 358 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: that was maturing. I was under turning to understand like 359 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: the destruction and everything that was doing to me to 360 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: a family, and and understanding like my position and how 361 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: I got there, and trying to understand that what we 362 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: were doing wasn't the right thing to do. Like and 363 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: we could sit there all the time and say, oh, yeah, 364 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: we're I don't do something like I'm proud of I 365 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: don't hurt anyone, I don't kill anyone. I'm but that 366 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: didn't matter. It did make me feel a little bit guilty, 367 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, Like I did feel at times like I 368 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: was no different because I was. Actually I felt like 369 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: I was participating, like now I'm there with them. And 370 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: I used to think, well before I wasn't it. I 371 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: remember one day think I was because I was still 372 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: doing this in Chicago, and I think that goes back 373 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: to how America perceives the drug trade. I was who 374 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: I was because of the United States, not because of Mexico. 375 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: Some ways, somehow, I guess we all have a part 376 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: in what's feeling these the violence and how the business works. 377 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: And I guess that's what I'm here, explaining how the 378 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: business works, how it trickles down a lot of its politics. 379 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: It's not just the is this anymore? And I had 380 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: to see that. I had to live that fraid to 381 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: affect me that way, you know, every time I had 382 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: to go see them, or being those situations where I 383 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: see people tied up, or I even be you know, 384 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: around a bunch of armed men making sure that oh 385 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: you're safe to get from puny to go and b 386 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: I used to this sing for me, I know, just 387 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: saying in a movie, this is not making me feel 388 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: any better at all. I remember having a conversation with 389 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: a friend of ours when I Throttle made the truth 390 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: with the set that he said, my brother just got 391 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: killed last week. They tortured him and killed them. How 392 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: do you feel, how do you feel about that? He 393 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: just like, well, I hurt that I don't have my brother, 394 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: just I don't have to say, I just have to 395 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: fall in line. The ongoing war between Cineloa and Losetas 396 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: has killed more than double the amount of civilians than 397 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: died in the entire Middle Eastern conflict since two thousand 398 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: and seven. The war has been infamously brutal. Beheadings, hangings 399 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: and indiscriminate murder were a hallmark. Everyone was a target, 400 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: including children. There were no limits to the evil. People 401 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: were boiled, killed with acid, cooked in ovens, and even 402 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: fed alive to crocodiles. But it was the fracture within 403 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: the Sineloa cartel that started to cause problems for j 404 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: and Pete. There adopted cartel family was starting to fall apart. 405 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Rumors were swirling that Beltran was teaming up with the 406 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: enemy Los SETAs, betraying his long term friend and founding partner. 407 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: At the same time, Chapeau gave Beltran's brother, Alfredo, up 408 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: to the Mexican authorities. Chapo saw Alfredo as a ability 409 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: and as a bonus, he was able to negotiate a 410 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: deal for the release of his son from prison. The 411 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: Chapo Beltram breakup mc connage was about to follow. For 412 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: everyone involved, We're being put in a tough situation. Well, 413 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to like really choose a side of 414 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: the cartel that we're going to be loyal to, and 415 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: by doing that, you're gonna create a home enemy. All 416 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: those moments lead up to those that big decisions to say, 417 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: I gotta stop this, and I'm tired of that, you know, 418 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: hurting the people you love, like having them live in fear. 419 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: And I lived in fear unselfishly. That's when Peter asked me, like, really, 420 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been married a while already, and he 421 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: asked me if I want to leave, Like, if this 422 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: is there's the life that I want to live with him. 423 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: I didn't let her answer, he didn't let me answer. 424 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: I obviously I know what I wanted. I mean because 425 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: if I didn't know what I wanted, I would have 426 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: left a long time ago. I've had millions of reasons 427 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: to leave, and not because he wasn't a good husband 428 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: to me, not because he was a perfect husband to me, 429 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: but all the signs were there, they were like flashing 430 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: in my face. I knew what I wanted, but I 431 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: just listened to him very patiently and gave him my answer. 432 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I stopped taking my birth control pills, 433 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: and then I was like pregnant. So everything that I 434 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: did want that day, everything that when we're sitting there 435 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: and and um handcuffed together, and everything that I regret, 436 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I was I was giving that chance. 437 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: I felt like my decision was it wasn't well worth it. 438 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like Peter's every decision that he made 439 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: since he was seventeen years old that I suffered the 440 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: consequences still today. A good husband Maybe would be different 441 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: in somebody else's eyes, but to me, that's all that matters. 442 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: That he's a great husband to me, a good husband. 443 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: It was a guilt that I carried, carried with me 444 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: and yours hazardous to me, to her, to our future, 445 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: to our marriage, to everything, and I had to do 446 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: something about it. There was a time where I mean brother, 447 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: did think that I could easily became one of them. 448 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: Is it kind of surreal because as a kid, as 449 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: a kid, you probably knew who Chopital was right when 450 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: you were younger maybe, and then you were like, hang on, 451 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: I am these are my idols, no question their my idols. 452 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: That once I was there, I did think like, wow, 453 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm idolizing men. They're no different. We need no different. 454 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: There are men they're like me, they read they they're 455 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: nothing special. Did you see yourself as like a drug 456 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: lord kinkpin, because that's how they always get described. I 457 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: didn't see myself as I never seen myself. I never 458 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: seen myself as the way I'm talking about myself now. 459 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: It was just everything building up since I guess our 460 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: younger days, since we were kids. And there are so many, 461 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: all these traumatical experiences that happened. And I know firsthand 462 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: what they say about that life, about the life m 463 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: Selling drugs leads to prison for death sometimes both. And 464 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: I kind of knew that something was on the horizon, 465 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: like the tensions, the talking about this and talking about that. 466 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: And around that time, they had said certain rules. They 467 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: wanted to keep the price of a kilo. They wanted 468 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: to keep the price of drugs at a certain price. 469 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: They wanted to keep it a certain number. For instance, 470 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: in the beginning of kilo or cocaine, you could buy 471 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: a killo cocaine in Mexico City for eight thous and 472 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: could have gone it will cost you nine dollars. So 473 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: as you're moving north to kilo becomes more expensive. Even 474 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: in Mexico, and same for the States and the war 475 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: that was happening against the set that was costing a 476 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: lot of money. And you know, we sat down just 477 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: said it doesn't make any sense. Wars are expensive, and 478 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: I mean really expensive. Just so people don't realize this, 479 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: my resation month, my overhead was five hundred thousand dollars 480 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: a month. What you're ready of the head was half 481 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: a million, half a million dollars a month. So even 482 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: to break even you had to make five. Was that 483 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,479 Speaker 1: a lot of money? I see that a lot of money? 484 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: Did you see that as a lot of five? No? 485 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: To me, it wasn't a lot of money. When it 486 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: came to invest in back and making sure that product 487 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: was safe and that we're the best case scenario. If 488 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: I walked away with you know, ten percent of profit, 489 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: then to me, it was worth it five hundred anywhere 490 00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: from five of our profits. To me, it's like I 491 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: always looked at what I was making, even if it 492 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: took thirty of what I was making whatever. When it 493 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: came to our organization and our infrastructure, that we did 494 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: never ever took a shortcut, you know, like if I 495 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: was gonna buy semi trucks, I'll be like, get me 496 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: five brand new topic trucks and we're paying cash. Whatever 497 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: the case it was, it was not going to be 498 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was not going to take it to 499 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: a short cut. I was gonna make sure that we 500 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: had the best equipment and the best workers and everyone 501 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: got paid well so that no one had to actually 502 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: ever kind of betray us or think differently. So the 503 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: wall was brewing almost hadn't happened at that time. Yes, 504 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: what we your choice is at that time, my choice 505 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: was to keep going and pick a side. And because 506 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: you knew that you would inevitably have to pick a side. Yes, 507 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: for sure, I knew that was coming. And you couldn't 508 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: go back to Chicago. I'm fusure if I wanted to 509 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: in America. You know, we thought about going to another country. Yes, 510 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: for sure, we kind of pleted that, you know a 511 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: few times, like did you think about on the extraside 512 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: of a country working at Costa Rica, we were pushing 513 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: Spain at that time. Getting there wasn't the problem. It's 514 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: just in Mexico. I was comfortable and we have a background. 515 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: I could say this is what we do, and you 516 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: have that ability to like maneuver and kind of blend 517 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: in a little bit. I know the language and all 518 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: the culture. Then by that time I was protected, right, 519 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: I already had escaped from being captured at one time. 520 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to another country have to 521 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: deal with it. But I always said, like I'm simple, 522 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: I could. I'd rather be lacked in a house by 523 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: a nice house right then left in prison. But that 524 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: came with a price. It meant that I was gonna 525 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: have to break away from my family. My wife don't 526 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: have to break away from her media family, because I 527 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna take a chance for the FATS to find 528 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: out that I'm a country where they could just go 529 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: out and be like, hey, surprise, I'm here. Yes, they 530 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: could easily get you in Spain because you were you 531 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: weren't protected, and I'm one of those countries Canada or 532 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: whatever the cases. That wasn't gonna solve what I wanted 533 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: to do. That wasn't solve what was in my heart 534 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: for my family, you know, like a normal life. And 535 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: it was really getting to me. I you know, my 536 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: son was born. My son would always want to be 537 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: with me, and he loved playing with cars, and he 538 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: just say, I got caught up on the phone or something, 539 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: he will start playing with. My workers were my security, 540 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: and there they are holding a rifle back in that 541 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: was in the back and forth with a massive rifle. 542 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: That wasn't what I wanted for my kids. Like I 543 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: did that me running was wasn't gonna take away from 544 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: the hurt and the wrong I was actually doing to 545 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,280 Speaker 1: my family. I saw myself like, here has no idea. 546 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: You know, a year old I saw like that that 547 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: I thought about my life. How you got accustom to 548 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: certain things I used to think about me. That's what 549 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: my family or you're not gonna do this. You could learn, 550 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: you could be good at it, but you're not gonna 551 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: do this. It's the perstanges. So there's options. And I 552 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: did believe that at that time. I started going with 553 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: this nose and always say like, yeah, all good things 554 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: are difficult. All those good things are going to take 555 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: some sacrifice. The easy to oh it's easy, don't go 556 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: to work. It's easy to stay home, but that's not 557 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: right thing to do. Right. The impending cartel war meant 558 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: that everyone was on high alert, and it wasn't just 559 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: Pete and j who were at risk of being caught 560 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: up in choosing a side. Val and Viev might have 561 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: joined the twins willingly, but just like the twins themselves, 562 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: their children will be born into our life. They didn't 563 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: choose JM. Val already had a one year old and 564 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: they had another on the way. Pete and Viev were 565 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: pregnant for the first time. And do we call options? 566 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: Always thinking of options, and me and my brother did 567 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: this a lot. He'll be like, this is what we 568 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: need and just you know, in the business, we're always 569 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: I think we made a successful that we were always 570 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: looking for the next thing. We didn't set up. We 571 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: didn't say, okay, listen to it. I know I needed 572 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: like some type of solution for what was coming. I 573 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: remember my brother and me thinking like wow, by talking 574 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: one time, it's gonna get really rough. Both our words 575 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: are pregnant. Now I remember, like, it's gonna get rough, 576 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: Like it's not. I don't think it's even safe for 577 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: them to be here anymore, like us being scared, like nervous, 578 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: like tell them that while they're pregnant, they need our support. 579 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: We're scared of telling them that we didn't think there 580 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: was a good idea for them to be with US 581 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: at the time. I got people in Colombia at the time, 582 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: just in case we're doing business that I gotta keep 583 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: up with them. I got people in Mexico City, I 584 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: got people that are working Wallahara, I got people in 585 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: I got people in Harsh. I have people in Mexicaligue, 586 00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: l A, Chicago, Ohio, Detroit, New York that I you know, 587 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: how to be responsible for on a daily basis. It 588 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: takes a lot, It will take a lot of work. 589 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: So that have people with me. There's the people for 590 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: that work, real organization. There's there's like then we have 591 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: associate set that we're doing business, like somebody might be 592 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,240 Speaker 1: doing this for me in you meet them, you're talking 593 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: to So I have twenty people every day on a 594 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: daily basis, depending on in some way somehow for even 595 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: the smallest things, like right around that time, I would 596 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: promise a wow that would like rub her feet everything 597 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: before she went to bed, And sometimes I could be 598 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: right there with her, but like we're not really talking. 599 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: She's in my presence, but two different lives. I remember 600 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: burn my feet and you know I'm getting phone cause 601 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: I had just lost a million dollars in New York 602 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: that day. But a seizure. And I think it was 603 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: my brother calling me and I have our speaker because 604 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: i'm massage. I'm haven't a speaker, Like, so, how much 605 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: did we lose? How much wasn't I think it was 606 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: like ten or close to ten. And he's like, damn 607 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: that sucks, Like, well, okay, well let's see what happens. 608 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 1: Just to keep in posting, like okay, you know she's 609 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: getting massage, like her belly big and sick. Baby, did 610 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,399 Speaker 1: I just say, as you said that you lost ten 611 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: what like ten thousand? And I'm like, no, ten million 612 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: and chicken, you're fucking massage in my feet. It's okay 613 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: for you, it's okay. I don't even worry about it. No, no, 614 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: and then it's okay. That was life for us. To us, 615 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: it was just the business, and you know her as 616 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: more was the people who were losing, those people that 617 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: were associated that hurt us. But it was just I 618 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: guess the business, right h At that time, I was 619 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: living in the city. Well, how we're kind of more 620 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: by ourselves, me and we are by ourselves. And val 621 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: had actually will travel back to Chicago once a month 622 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: for like a week or ten days it'll give me 623 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: in Tommy, my best friend, chance to kind of like 624 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: just we just hang out. I was watching TV and 625 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: this documentary came out about John Gotti in the MOFILM, 626 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,919 Speaker 1: and I was translating it for Tommy basically talking about 627 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: the case, so I was translated for him. It basically 628 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: talked about Sammy the Boost case and John got it 629 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: their history, and it just said that, you know, Sammy 630 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: the book had received five years for nineteen murders first 631 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: corporation against Jang Gaddi, and you know at that time, 632 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean I already knew of the story, but this 633 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: was kind of going in debt about details and how 634 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: they kind of got to the point of the investigation. 635 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,320 Speaker 1: So us it was like not a big deal, I 636 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: guess right, but I'm sure that for the eight years 637 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: or from New York, but whatever. At the time, it 638 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,919 Speaker 1: was a big deal to them. And I remember thinking 639 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: to myself, Wow, yeah, five years for covering against Siang Gaddi. 640 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: In my head, I was like, who the fuck is 641 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: Joan Gaddi. John Gotti was the boss of the Gambino 642 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: crime family in New York. He was known as one 643 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 1: of the most dangerous and powerful crime bosses in the US. 644 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: Gotti was the original tef London. No one could get 645 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 1: a conviction to stick until his whitehamed man Sammy the Ball, 646 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: cooperated with the FBI to help put Gotti behind bars. 647 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: Sammy the Ball confessed to nineteen murders but received a 648 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 1: five year prison sentence because of his cooperation. The people 649 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: we were dealing with, I felt like I was living 650 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: John got his whole life. Each day kind of left 651 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: this like imprinting me like wow, it was an idea. 652 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying this today because I do recall that moment. 653 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: I want to tell you that I kind of thought 654 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: about it, maybe not cooperating, but the difference between John Gotti, 655 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: who was John gott It to the mob and who 656 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: was Chapel to the world, I guess, or who was 657 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 1: Miles and about that to the world, you're kind of 658 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: away those things go. It was, Oh, he was such 659 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 1: an important criminal figure in New York City, whereas Chapin 660 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: was Willed Whige, Drew King Finn. I mean, I think 661 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: there's seventies six countries that the organization was in. Kind 662 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: of left that I thought in my head I would 663 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: get to badly that time time I was sleepy one day, 664 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: I guess my mind would always be racing. I woke 665 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: up in the middle of night and I too call 666 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: it in epiphany. It was this moment of just clarity, 667 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: I could cooperate and came past. I could co operation, 668 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: I could do some time, and I could just have 669 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: a different life. I could get out. I could just 670 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: leave this. I remember looking over about like then it 671 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: just hit me, like brought me back to out. It 672 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: like calling the funk down. Hold on, hold on, you 673 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 1: just said something really stupid. And I remember I always 674 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: talked to God. I always said, like this came to 675 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: me for a reason, and I was trying to think 676 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: about all the stupid decisions I made that I had 677 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: thought about and the reason why I was scared to 678 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 1: talk about because she had this, you know that said 679 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: she could have had hate at times, and she did 680 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: not like snuches at all. Today she's a different woman. 681 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: I think she's at peace. At that time, I guess 682 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: just from her being in the business and her everything 683 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: been through. She didn't like stitches and I knew how 684 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: she felt, so I felt I different, like, uh, a 685 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: little bit less of a man. Just don't even think 686 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 1: about that. But I'm like sitting here, like thinking, would 687 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: I tell her, Like, how do I even know if 688 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: this is a good idea? I can't even say it. 689 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: She was gonna be my filter. She was gonna be like, 690 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,280 Speaker 1: let me tell her first, because he's like, could trust 691 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: her that she would be honest. We probably go to 692 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: my brother, who I knew it was gonna be a problem. 693 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: I woke up, I felt good, just like energy, not 694 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: until like I came back to that like a little bit. 695 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: I thought about what I was gonna say, what Peter 696 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: was gonna say her. Then you almost like talk to 697 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: yourself that it was, Oh no, it stepidst idea. Yeah, 698 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: but I saw her and I just I remember just 699 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: seeing her and seeing my son. He's in his crew 700 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 1: at the time. I know this is the thing to do, 701 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: but I'm always open to me the wrong. Maybe someone 702 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: could tell me something better. I just couldn't sleep after that, 703 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: and I still remember throughout the day like I felt 704 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: like I was keeping something from her. The next night, 705 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: she's sleeping, I have to tell her. But I had 706 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: planned to get her right in the middle by she sleeping, 707 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 1: so she was calm, and I'm like, I could be 708 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: ruining her stay. She could be so mad and then 709 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: I forget it. But right when she was calm, where 710 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: she was gonna hopefully just take it in you know, 711 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: the right way. I know, just you know, like baby 712 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: b because she didn't. She was heavy sleeper, so like 713 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: she finally together like hey, why what what's wrong? I 714 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: was like, I need to talk to you. What let's say. 715 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: It's important, it's really important. She's turned like, yeah, what's wrong? 716 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: You know? I started off like I do this a lot. 717 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,320 Speaker 1: I want to tell you something. It's just an idea, 718 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,320 Speaker 1: but please don't be mad. Just don't be mad, just 719 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: think about it, or just just don't be mad, just 720 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: tell me, respond to me in a nice way, just 721 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: tell me no, or just don't be upset. Could you 722 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: just promise me you won't be all set? And she 723 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: looks a little bit like nervous. She's thinking, what the 724 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 1: hell did you do? Right? She's like, NA, like, I 725 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,080 Speaker 1: won't be mad, but tell me, I like, you prom 726 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 1: is you're not gonna be upset, You're not gonna look 727 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: at me a certain way. And she's like, no, that 728 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,879 Speaker 1: you could trust me to tell me? And they said, 729 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: you know how I promised you that would change my 730 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: Life's like, yes, what if I told you I have 731 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: the answer? And she's like, what do you mean? I said, 732 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: what if I told you I had the answer? How 733 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,880 Speaker 1: I could change my life? But we could have a 734 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: different life. It's just like, yeah, I'm lost. And I repeated, like, 735 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: what if I told you I had the answer but 736 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 1: it was gonna take some type of sacrifice, but we 737 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: could have a different life for our kids. What would 738 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: you say? I would say, let's do it right, just 739 00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: hold that thought. It will take a big sacrifice. I mean, okay, 740 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: I tell me your said, I hope this doesn't change 741 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 1: of relationship. Just no, I won't. Just let me know. 742 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: And I said, what if we were to cooperate? Did 743 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: she give us? She said what? My heart? I mean, 744 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm nervous, Like and I'm thinking, was that what? Like 745 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,360 Speaker 1: I didn't understand you because I could have just been shired. 746 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: I said, what if we cooperate? Like what do you mean? 747 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: I said, like, what if? And he reached out to 748 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:42,360 Speaker 1: the said and we cooperate? It was like, you're crazy, like, 749 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,879 Speaker 1: just what if? What if we co operate? If Sam 750 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: in the book Five Years Who seven book got five years. 751 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: What if we were to turn in the top all 752 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: on my one of them. I think we would have 753 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,760 Speaker 1: to do some prison time, but we'll have a chance 754 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: to change your life. And she just stood there staring 755 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: at me, and I'm coming up with this just at 756 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: that moment. I didn't think about it that far. I'm 757 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: just the first basic was I didn't expect her to 758 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: be like, how already got that? And she's quiet and 759 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,920 Speaker 1: she's just tearing me, and then she just started crying. 760 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: She said, do it. That's what Chan did, though. She said, 761 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: but what are you gonna do about your brother? I said, 762 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do prison time. She's like, how 763 00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: long do you think? I said, I'm not sure, and 764 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 1: she said how much does the same we get. I 765 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: said five years. She's like, oh, well, you would get 766 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,360 Speaker 1: less than that. And I'm like, wow, I don't know. 767 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: But I said, let's just be realistic. Say we get 768 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,800 Speaker 1: ten years, and you know, i'd have to do it 769 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,399 Speaker 1: and have for a good time if I could get 770 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 1: a couple programs out. I'm being really positive too, Okay, 771 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: I'd have to do like seven years. Seven years I'll 772 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: take and we'll be out. And she's like seven years. 773 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 1: I said, listen, your average parents goes to work, and 774 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: I started to calculate, wrap my phone up, have a 775 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 1: calculate in it. They were four hours a week. Starts 776 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: doing this calculation, and I'm thinking that they're averaging maybe 777 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: spending four hours a day with their kid on the 778 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: week days and then you know on the weekends they 779 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: have four days, you know, but any time for themselves, Like, 780 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,399 Speaker 1: we're not that far off all the time we could 781 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: spend with our kids in the process. And she's just 782 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: like ten years. I'm just saying worst case, and she's like, 783 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: do it. I was blind about what I wanted to do. 784 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: That it kept me like from seeing anything that I 785 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: think would make me think twice or make me reconsider. 786 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: I didn't think about the money. I didn't think about 787 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 1: anything else, put about changing my life. I do remember 788 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: like me about talking about a little bit more. You know, 789 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,120 Speaker 1: when I think of something that I have an idea 790 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: of people who do know me, I get excited. I 791 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: get like anti like I wanted to get to it. 792 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: So I would like talked about about different things, you know, 793 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: all the days, just no matter what I was doing, 794 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: I was like going back to that God, and I 795 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 1: did feel a lot like I felt really loved. I 796 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 1: think that's what I was always looking for in the 797 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,840 Speaker 1: way that I was receiving that love from violence. I 798 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: remember just like I would see her, I would look 799 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,840 Speaker 1: at her like I was happy, but then I'd be 800 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: nervous thinking about my brother. I don't remember thinking about 801 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 1: anything else, you know, I was just thinking about that. 802 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: I was looking for a good time to tell my 803 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 1: brother too. Days later I wanted to. It was within 804 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,359 Speaker 1: that week or so, We're gonna go to a business meeting, 805 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: you know. We're talking and said, hey, Peter, like I 806 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: need to talk to about something. But you can't be bad. 807 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,399 Speaker 1: What do you mean you can, I said, I want 808 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: to say something to you. I want to just give 809 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 1: me an idea. But if you don't like it, just 810 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,759 Speaker 1: just don't be mad, you know, just hear me out. 811 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: He already tell me, I said, you're not gonna be mad, 812 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: and he will always like get mad at that just sucking. 813 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: Tell me, what the fun did you do? I said, no, 814 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 1: listen to an idea, all right. Tell me. I was nervous. 815 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: I was really nervous. My heart is like I feel 816 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 1: like it's shrinking, like I'm like, we know what's coming. 817 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: I think we have a chance, like we could get 818 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 1: out this life. And he's like, oh, how how is that? 819 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: Don't be mad? He said, fucking tell me a ready, 820 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:55,439 Speaker 1: And what if we would cooperate? He said what I said, 821 00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 1: what if we were to cooperate? I couldn't even finish 822 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: saying the last one when he was like, you was stupid. 823 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:10,040 Speaker 1: Motherfucker just started screaming, yelling, and and I'm like, y'll 824 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: calm down, like you don't want the fucker like we 825 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: just end up just we're too closer, so that we 826 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: started to get physical, started kind of throwing each other 827 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: like you're stupid, but you know, like literally throwing each 828 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: other against the wall, like you dumb motherfucker. What'd you 829 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,720 Speaker 1: fucking ever say that? Again? Is stupid buck? Everything you 830 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: could think of, and I just took it. I felt defeated. 831 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,320 Speaker 1: I went from still be nervous, but think about it. 832 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: I felt like I had just invented something new, right 833 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: like my ventions someone just as it sucks, right Like 834 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: I felt defeated. I wasn't even mad, like I felt 835 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 1: like I was letting him let his anger come on. Remember, 836 00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: I just kind of like stepped away, like you'll just 837 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 1: calmed down, all right, just chill, and he was just 838 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,160 Speaker 1: like look at me, mad, like stupid ass, like everything 839 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: you could think of it. And I didn't really to 840 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 1: see him. I don't remember feel like why does he 841 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: get that decision? Because at that time I was like 842 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,080 Speaker 1: always coming up with different ideas. And but then I said, oh, 843 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 1: I argue went so well, he's right. We didn't make 844 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 1: this decision together to come into the hurt. It couldn't 845 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: hurt me a couple of days past life, I remember 846 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 1: thought him looking at it, We're making millions of balls 847 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 1: of month. Everything's going good. Don't suck this up, all right? 848 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: I could tell that he already down. I was already 849 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 1: making him up. Mike and bulls boy, remember my brother 850 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: is that well there was his mindset that where he 851 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: was making that decision doing they could affect everything else. 852 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Like that was the main issue that was bothering me 853 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: when I wanted to choke him up with like broth, 854 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 1: do listen to what you're willing to understand. And I 855 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,680 Speaker 1: still not only that, I said the satisfy that we 856 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:28,720 Speaker 1: looked alike. I would, but it looks like mine he 857 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 1: has a rally of reason. He has a valid reason, 858 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: valid valid he has read it. We look alike. They 859 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: don't know who the right, They don't nothing. But basically, 860 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 1: no matter what, they didn't see us. That's two they 861 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: saw his once. And what was I thinking? It's kind 862 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 1: of like in having my brother as you know, as 863 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: my overprotective brother of course, and then having him as 864 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: a business partner, and we're so intertwining through our life 865 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: with each other and in so many ways obviously we're twins, 866 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,440 Speaker 1: but I just feel a little bit like, wow, I 867 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,080 Speaker 1: can't even make the decision for my family. We're a 868 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 1: package deal regardless if we don't agree on many things, 869 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, a big decision like that, we have to agree. 870 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: It has to work for both of us. How was it? 871 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: We didn't talk about it. We actually it didn't happen. 872 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,560 Speaker 1: I could tell he still had like a little anger, 873 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: and I want to maybe a week, ten days later, 874 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,800 Speaker 1: twelve days later. It was a while. My form rang 875 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: wenday with the weekday day and night like twue morning 876 01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: and like hell, and it was hello. He's just like, 877 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:19,520 Speaker 1: how would we do it? Surviving l Chapo The twins 878 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 1: who brought down a drug Lord is hosted by Curtis 879 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,880 Speaker 1: fifty cent Jackson and me Charlie Webster. Our producers are 880 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: myself alongside Jackson mcclennan. Research and editorial support is from 881 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Casey Hurtz. 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