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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Monday edition of Play and Buck starts right now, and

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Speaker 2: of course a lot of big news to dive into

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Speaker 2: today with all of you. We've got the New Hampshire

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Speaker 2: GP primary which is imminence tomorrow. The votes will be

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Speaker 2: cast first in the nation primary. The granite state New

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Speaker 2: Hampshire getting a whole lot of love and attention from

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Speaker 2: the rest of the country. Here we'll discuss what's going

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Speaker 2: on there, the latest polls, how it's all looking. A

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Speaker 2: big component of that story came in over the week,

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Speaker 2: and it is that Donald Trump has called Ron De

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Speaker 2: he is suspending his presidential campaign. So it is over

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Speaker 2: for DeSantis twenty twenty four, Clay and I will give

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Speaker 2: you our assessment of this one. There's some discussion as

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Speaker 3: Possibly.

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley is getting some rough stuff from Trump World

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Speaker 2: the mix. So Donald Trump had some words about Nicky

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Speaker 2: may be in the Trump administration if Trump does in

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Speaker 2: fact end up winning. Some updates on the Fannie Willis case,

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Speaker 2: the situation with her paramore. Basically, the whole thing is

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Speaker 2: something coming out of New York and the How Many

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Speaker 2: Stops Act the New York City Council, it's as though

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Speaker 2: they want more crime in NYC Democrats are like, how

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Speaker 2: could we make more crime if we have time. We'll

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Speaker 2: in the world of politics, kind of start with two

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Speaker 1: Now that Ron DeSantis has dropped out and endorsed Donald

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Speaker 1: I think DeSantis was right on COVID. We should talk

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Speaker 1: So the stupidity of Look, I think Ronda Santis, if

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Speaker 1: So I think DeSantis should be We'll see who Trump

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Speaker 2: So there was also I mentioned Trump Trump retiring the

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Speaker 2: Trump congratulating Ron DeSantis for drop you know, for making

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Speaker 4: I'd like to take time to congratulate Ron DeSantis and

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Speaker 4: He ran a really good campaign.

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Speaker 4: They think it's easy doing this stuff, right, It's not easy.

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Speaker 3: You know, Clay magnanimous Trump.

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Speaker 2: That's the way that that's the way to win the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you asked also about Nikki Haley

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Speaker 2: being brought against an individual, the whole thing just looks bad.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this is the kind of prosecutor that brings

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Speaker 2: a case against Donald Trump, somebody with this level of

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Speaker 2: ethical disconnect, this kind of a compromise ethics on display.

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Speaker 2: So to me, this whole thing is falling apart. But

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Speaker 2: it also is a reminder that this was all a

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Speaker 2: political hit, and so I think that the optics of

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Speaker 2: this are really bad for all of the Trump trials. Right,

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Speaker 2: It's more than just even the Fannie Willis trial, because,

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Speaker 2: as I've been saying all along, you just look at

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Speaker 2: some of these things without not even knowing some of

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Speaker 2: the details of the case.

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Speaker 3: Claim all the charges are brought in the election year.

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Speaker 2: Really they're they're gonna wait, so all the trials happy

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Speaker 2: the election year, Donald Trump is gonna be you know,

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Speaker 2: eighty before long never charged with a crime before in

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Speaker 2: his life, all of a sudden, four felony indictments. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you just look at this, the percentages of the numbers,

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Speaker 2: and now you have really one of the prosecutors bringing

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Speaker 2: this is a clear partisan hack who probably should lose

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Speaker 2: their law license, you know what I mean. I think

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Speaker 2: that people look at this, normal people look at this stuff,

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Speaker 2: and they come away with the conclusions that they should,

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Speaker 2: which is that the whole thing is the farce.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, even the New York Times, which tries

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Speaker 1: to ignore a lot of these stories, on the Sunday

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Speaker 1: New York Times had a front page story about Fawnie

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Speaker 1: Willis and this relationship with Nathan Wade. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know when it's going to be officially kicked to the curb.

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Speaker 1: The story that would really open a hornet's nest here

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Speaker 1: Buck is now not the Atlantic case, because I think

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Speaker 1: Fawnie Willis, I think all that's falling apart.

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Speaker 3: She's going to have to step down. She may be

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Speaker 3: if she.

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Speaker 1: Got charged with crimes, which I don't think it's crazy

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Speaker 1: that she could be charged with crimes based on hiring

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Speaker 1: her lover paying him this much money, and if he

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Speaker 1: were charged as well. Again, and the argument you could

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Speaker 1: make is that she was profiting off of taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 1: by hiring him. I don't know what the protocol is,

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Speaker 1: but I'm quite clear and certain that there had to

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Speaker 1: be some sort of protocol where you would acknowledge if

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Speaker 1: you were in a relationship with someone, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: in a supervisory role over that individual, that is a

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Speaker 1: big no no. And pretty much any company in America

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Speaker 1: you have to go I mean some of you out

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Speaker 1: there listening may have been in this situation before where

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Speaker 1: you have to go to HR and say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: are dating. This is a situation that's going on, so

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Speaker 1: the company's aware of it. If there were criminal charges

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Speaker 1: brought against her, and I think there very well could be,

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Speaker 1: this could be a situation where the all of the

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, covert relationship between the Biden administration, Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice, and the way all these charges were brought

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Speaker 1: could go up and smoke in a big way. And

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Speaker 1: you and I have been saying to everybody out there,

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Speaker 1: commentators who dreamed of Trump going away to prison, looked

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Speaker 1: at the Alvin Bragg charges and said, this is the

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Speaker 1: biggest garbage that could possibly exist. So I think you

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Speaker 1: tossed that on the scrap heat. The South Florida charges

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Speaker 1: are the most significant because there's almost a strict liability

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Speaker 1: offense associated with these classified documents. Now Biden has his

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Speaker 1: own classified documents scandal, and the jury pool is way better,

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Speaker 1: so that to me is also kind of shunt it

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Speaker 1: off to the side.

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Speaker 3: Plus it's not going to happen. I don't think, based

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Speaker 3: on the timing.

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Speaker 1: Before the actual election, the Jack Smith case now becomes

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Speaker 1: even more integral and central to everything that the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration's trying to do. And so remember that case right

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Speaker 1: now is scheduled for March fifth. There's no way it's

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Speaker 1: going to start on March fifth. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: could start until the summer. But I wonder whether they're

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Speaker 1: going to start the Alvin Bragg case buck because that

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Speaker 1: one seems to be potentially the easiest to get going

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Speaker 1: and then they take them out of order that we're

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Speaker 1: expecting right now. That's one thing that I think if

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Speaker 1: you're out there paying attention to this law, fair and

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Speaker 1: trying to gain plant. I think the schedule now may

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Speaker 1: shift to Alvin Bragg bringing his super weak charges in

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Speaker 1: New York State first, and if that happens, we'll see

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Speaker 1: how that impacts things. But this is the story of

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Speaker 1: the of the entire election. Now, what, if any is

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Speaker 1: Number two Monday edition of the program. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: you hanging out with us. We'll continue to take some

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Speaker 1: of your calls reacting to Ron DeSantis dropping out. We're

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Speaker 1: on the eve of the New Hampshire primary and we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Ohio Senator jd Vance, who has been

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Speaker 1: in the news quite a lot lately, also been campaigning

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Speaker 1: all over New Hampshire. I have seen with President Trump

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Speaker 1: who was soon to lock up the Republican nomination and

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Speaker 1: jd I'm sure you have been asked about this all

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Speaker 1: over New Hampshire by voters, but Axios had a story

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Speaker 1: out that said there are three primary contenders for the VP.

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Speaker 1: They mentioned Nicki Haley, they mentioned Eli Stefanic, and they

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Speaker 1: mentioned Senator JD Vance of Ohio. So, look, you're not

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Speaker 1: on the role necessarily that Southeast Michigan is. But given

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Speaker 1: the Lions or in the NFC Championship, and Michigan won

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Speaker 1: the championship, which I know you hate because you're an

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Speaker 1: Ohio state guy, but you gottact it to the Senate

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Speaker 1: in November at twenty twenty two. And now Axeo says

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Speaker 1: you're one of the three finalists for the VP. So

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Speaker 1: are you going to be the next VP or not?

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Speaker 7: You have to ask Donald Trump. Look, I'm extremely skeptical

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Speaker 7: of these rumors at this early stage. I actually really

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Speaker 7: agree with Donald Trump that the VP actually doesn't matter

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Speaker 7: that much politically. Of course, it matters a lot in governance.

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Speaker 7: So I don't think anybody really votes for VP. They

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Speaker 7: vote for Joe Biden or Donald Trump, and hopefully they

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Speaker 7: vote for Donald Trump. I mean the question of like,

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Speaker 7: am I interested? As I've said to many people, including

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Speaker 7: I think you guys. I'll help the president however I can,

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Speaker 7: because I think it's important that we re elect him.

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Speaker 7: I think one of the most important ways he needs

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Speaker 7: close allies is actually not just as a vice president,

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Speaker 7: but as a US Senator. And so I think it's

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Speaker 7: a really important role for me to play in the

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Speaker 7: United States Senate, for the people of Ohio and for

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Speaker 7: the agenda that we all care about. But look, when

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Speaker 7: the President makes that decision, if it's me, then I'll

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Speaker 7: certainly be extremely interested in it, will deal with.

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Speaker 2: Them exactly what we would expect the next vice president

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Speaker 2: to say, Clay, Yes, exactly So JD though you know

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Speaker 2: we have Nikky Haley still technically at Ronda Santis out.

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Speaker 2: How do you think this is going to play out now?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're getting you know, we're getting to

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Speaker 2: the point where the polls for Democrats are looking bleak.

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Speaker 2: Trump is clearly going to be the nominee. Uh. Do

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Speaker 2: you think that they just try the Donald Trump insideed

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Speaker 2: insurrection strategy with all the legal stuff and they stay

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Speaker 2: with Joe Biden? Do you think that there's still some

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Speaker 2: kind of a plan. I mean, between now and when

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Speaker 2: voters are deciding what what are you keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the big question it's always hard to

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Speaker 7: analyze this stuff when you're kind of in the inside

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Speaker 7: of it. Obviously, I've been a big ally of the

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Speaker 7: President during the early stages of this primary, but you know,

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Speaker 7: I think that this thing is over. I think the

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Speaker 7: really the big question is whether we continue to fight

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Speaker 7: a useless primary fight through Super Tuesday or whether the

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Speaker 7: voters in New Hampshire put it away tomorrow because I

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Speaker 7: think if there's a small enough Trump victory, and I

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Speaker 7: do think Trump will win tomorrow, and then the media

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Speaker 7: and the pun men say Nikki Haley's donors will say, well,

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Speaker 7: let's put another one hundred million dollars behind this thing

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Speaker 7: attacking Donald Trump. That won't change whether he's the nominee.

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Speaker 7: It will wink in the Republican Party going into the

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Speaker 7: nocover election. How do I think this thing plays out

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Speaker 7: in the general election? I mean, look, I think Trump

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Speaker 7: definitely has the edge here. Obviously, they will throw everything

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Speaker 7: that they've ever thrown at him. But the thing about

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Speaker 7: Trump is he's not and this is one of the

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Speaker 7: huge advantages he always had. Of Arona Santas and Hailey.

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Speaker 7: I made this point on Fox News yesterday. But people

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Speaker 7: say that Trump has baggage, Well, everybody has baggage. The

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Speaker 7: question is whether you survived the media onslaught attacking you

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Speaker 7: over everything that you've done and everything in fact haven't done.

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Speaker 7: And I think Trump's ability to show resilience in the

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Speaker 7: face of those political attacks means that they're going to

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Speaker 7: throw everything at him. I don't know that it's really

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Speaker 7: going to matter. I don't know if you guys saw this.

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Speaker 7: There was a Harvard poll today which has not been

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Speaker 7: especially pro Trump poll, so they're pretty good pollster. They

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Speaker 7: had Trump beating Biden by six points, which is just

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Speaker 7: a huge margin for modern times. But then they asked

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Speaker 7: the question, if he is convicted of mishandling classified documents,

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Speaker 7: what say you?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 7: And again he was up fifty three to forty seven

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Speaker 7: against Joe Biden. So I think there's evidence here that

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Speaker 7: all of this stuff is baked in and this is

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Speaker 7: fundamentally a referendum on the failed policies of Joe Biden

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Speaker 7: against the successful ones that Donald Trump. That's an election

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Speaker 7: we can win as Republicans.

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Speaker 1: All Right, let's dive into what's going on at our

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Speaker 1: southern border and also what's going on in Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: the attempt to connect the two, which we are not allowed.

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Speaker 1: Not big fans of obviously on this program, but you've

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Speaker 1: been paying attention to what's going on on.

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Speaker 3: The ground in Ukraine, where are we headed there?

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Speaker 1: And also what do you think is going to happen

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Speaker 1: at our southern border and what should happen? Break down

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Speaker 1: these scenarios for us as you see it playing out.

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Speaker 7: So briefly on Ukraine, total quagmire. The Ukrainians at this

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Speaker 7: point are not making real advances. Another sixty one billion

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Speaker 7: dollars isn't going to do anything other than kill a

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Speaker 7: lot more people at a risk of bigger escalation on

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Speaker 7: the southern border. We know what a disaster it is.

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Speaker 7: That the one additional thing I've been talking about a

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Speaker 7: lot the last couple of weeks because I just learned

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Speaker 7: this myself. I didn't realize how big of a problem

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Speaker 7: this is. Do you know that because the way that

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Speaker 7: they count illegal immigrants in the census, California has five

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Speaker 7: congressional seats. It wouldn't have if the illegal immigration numbers

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Speaker 7: were zero in this country. So we're actually talking about

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Speaker 7: stealing the democratic legitimacy away from American citizens. When you

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Speaker 7: bring into aliens give them congressional representation at the expense

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Speaker 7: of the American people. This is a huge, huge crisis

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Speaker 7: of legitimacy for our entire country. So look, what's going

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Speaker 7: on in Washington is that leadership, and I say in

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Speaker 7: both parties, is trying to pair these packages where Republicans

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Speaker 7: allegedly get border security and Democrats get money for Ukraine.

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Speaker 7: What is going to happen in reality if this package

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Speaker 7: passes is a massive amount of amnesty, no realistic border security,

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Speaker 7: and the Democrats get everything they want on Ukraine. It's

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Speaker 7: a horrendous deal for Republicans. And it's exactly why Donald Trump,

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Speaker 7: it's such an important figure in our party to begin with,

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Speaker 7: Why do we keep on making these terrible deals where

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Speaker 7: our voters get nothing, they get everything, and we wonder

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Speaker 7: why our voters are so pissed off all the time.

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Speaker 7: It's exactly because of what's going on in DC. Now,

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Speaker 7: final point I'll make on this. We have been told

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Speaker 7: to expect to vote on this thing in a week

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Speaker 7: or two. Immigration law is very complicated. It is Monday.

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Speaker 7: I still haven't seen text on this thing, and Importantly,

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Speaker 7: if they really wanted to trade border for Ukraine, they

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Speaker 7: could say, we'll give you Ukraine money, Joe Biden, if

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Speaker 7: you get illegal border crossings to zero. The fact that

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Speaker 7: they're not willing to make that trade suggest this isn't

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Speaker 7: about border security. This is all about providing political cover

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Speaker 7: for Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: JD.

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Speaker 2: When you're talking about Ukraine, you know, I saw Nikki

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Speaker 2: Haley making this argument recently, and it's one that you

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Speaker 2: still catch in some quarters of the GOP. Certainly, it's

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Speaker 2: very common for the Biden administration, whether it's top officials

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Speaker 2: or members of the Senate, where they say, if we

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Speaker 2: don't stop Russia in Ukraine, next is and they start

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Speaker 2: rattling off you know, Poland and all these NATO countries.

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Speaker 2: If Russia is having I mean, you were a military guy.

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Speaker 2: If Russia is having this much trouble in Ukraine, why

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Speaker 2: would anyone think that their next move would be to

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Speaker 2: trigger NATO Article five and to start invading other countries

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Speaker 2: with more sophisticated defense systems. I don't get that argument.

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Speaker 7: Well, you don't get that argument because it's a terrible argument.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't make any sense. Russia can't, as you say,

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Speaker 7: handle Ukraine. They're certainly not going to invade a much

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Speaker 7: stronger country like Poland or go further further west into Europe.

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Speaker 7: The other thing that this argument really gets wrong is

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Speaker 7: whether China or some other country is emboldened by the

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Speaker 7: United States's conduct is fundamentally a question of our strength.

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Speaker 7: You know, the old foreign policy wisdom is that deterrence

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Speaker 7: equals resolved plus capability. Now our capability is significantly weakened.

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Speaker 7: You guys have heard me say this. Our number of

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Speaker 7: missile systems is down to dangerous levels, Our number of

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Speaker 7: artillery shells is down to dangerous levels. So the more

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Speaker 7: that we keep shifting needed weapons systems into Ukraine, the

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Speaker 7: further we weaken our own capability. That weakness, that lack

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Speaker 7: of capability, is what's going to invite the next attack.

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Speaker 7: So if we want to prevent a major world historical

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Speaker 7: invasion in Taiwan or somewhere else, the best thing we

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Speaker 7: can do is stop throwing our weapons and money into

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Speaker 7: Ukraine and preserve it for the next crisis. Because whatever

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Speaker 7: that crisis is, we know it will hump happen.

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Speaker 1: How do you think Joe Biden would respond if China

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Speaker 1: invaded Taiwan.

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Speaker 7: It's a very good question. I've thought about a lot.

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Speaker 7: I have no idea. I think that what he would

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Speaker 7: probably do is overreact in an incredibly stupid way. I

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Speaker 7: think that he would try to do something big. It

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Speaker 7: would not be well thought out, it would fail, it

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Speaker 7: might even kill a lot of Americans in the process,

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Speaker 7: and it wouldn't deter the Chinese. That The reason I

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Speaker 7: say that Biden might overreact here is because the real

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Speaker 7: deterrence that we have right now with China is right now,

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Speaker 7: we should be giving the Taiwanese every single weapons system

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Speaker 7: they might need to fight off in an invasion. Biden

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Speaker 7: is failing to do that in some cases because he's

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Speaker 7: giving needed weapons in Ukraine, meaning that the weapons the

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Speaker 7: Taiwanese needs, he's giving them to Ukraine. So my sense

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Speaker 7: is that he will do something really big, really unpredictable,

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Speaker 7: because he knows that it will be his fault of

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Speaker 7: the Chinese invade Taiwan. But I don't know, man, your

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Speaker 7: guess is as good as mine. I think it's really

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Speaker 7: important that we deter the Chinese now, rather than pick

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Speaker 7: up the pieces of God forbid they in Baye, Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a little bit early, and I agree with

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Speaker 1: you that Trump is baked in. It's really hard to

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Speaker 1: find something new that you're gonna rip Trump on or

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Speaker 1: even really move people off what they think of Trump

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Speaker 1: for better or worse. And people like Trump and his

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Speaker 1: presidency more than they liked Biden. Story came out in

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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail that Buck and I talked a lot about,

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Speaker 1: not because it should impact the way that you vote necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but just because it's indicative that a lot of Nicki

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Speaker 1: Haley's past is not known very well. Front page story

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a story as old as time. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at the story that came out from

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Speaker 1: got a little bit of an impropriety in her past

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Speaker 1: in terms of how she made money. Have they really

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Speaker 1: and they'll do they would just unleash like crazy if

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Speaker 1: is oh, she'll pull better than Trump and some of

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Speaker 1: these swing states. Do you buy that or is the

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Speaker 1: OPO file really not unleashed on her yet?

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Speaker 7: We've seen the tivity, tivioty Iceberg guys, and they will

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Speaker 7: throw everything that they have at her if if some

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Speaker 7: argument that she does not have baggage, I think completely

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Speaker 7: ignores what you guys just said. There was the store

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Speaker 7: I mean, she sat on the board of Boeing while

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Speaker 7: Boeing seems to not be able to make airplanes that

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Speaker 7: Like what expertise did she bring to the table other

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Speaker 7: than political connections? You know, you start to dig into

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Speaker 7: that stuff and it's going to turn a lot of

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Speaker 7: voters off. And then you layer on the media complex

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Speaker 7: and the hundreds of millions of dollars of Probiden super

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Speaker 7: packs going after her, the idea that she comes out

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Speaker 7: of that in a better position than Donald Trump. I

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Speaker 7: think it's laughable. You're talking about a person who's advantage

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Speaker 7: at all over Biden. I think it's based on a

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Speaker 7: mirage that people just don't know her past, good or bad,

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Speaker 7: yet that Democrats are going to throw everything they have

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's the most well known figure literally in

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Speaker 7: one of the reasons why people underestimated his chances in

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Speaker 7: You can't really knock the guy down at this point.

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Speaker 2: talking about the numbers from a new Harvard Harris poll.

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Speaker 2: Remember the bulls got it right in Iowa, and I

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Speaker 2: as well. And the biggest concern that we've seen in

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Speaker 2: all the data involving Trump v. Biden in a twenty

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Speaker 2: unless there is a conviction. Now it's more specific than that,

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Speaker 2: and I think this data, this additional data, is closer

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Speaker 3: What would happen than that initial poll.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I'm talking about, this new poll that's out here,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, Harvard Harris poll, if Trump is convicted

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Speaker 2: of crimes related to his handling of classified documents, who

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Speaker 2: would you vote for for president? Trump's still up six?

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Speaker 2: If Trump is convicted by a jury for RICO charges racketeer,

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Speaker 2: influence corrupt organizations act.

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Speaker 3: I think I got that one right. Who would you

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Speaker 3: vote for for President? Trump?

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Speaker 2: Still wins up to even after conviction. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think that trial is even going to happen anymore. The

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Speaker 2: whole thing is probably going to go away. It's collapsing

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Speaker 2: as we speak. But if Trump is convicted for inciting

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Speaker 2: the Capitol riots of January sixth, who would you vote

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Speaker 2: for for president? Suddenly there is a swing and Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden is up for fifty two forty eight? Does this track?

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is accurate? And is this basically

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Speaker 2: telling us that the only hope that the Biden Democrats

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Speaker 2: have right now for another four years of Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: slash Kamala Harris when she takes over slash whoever maybe

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Speaker 2: steps in for him, is a conviction in the DC

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Speaker 3: Is this how you see it?

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Speaker 1: I am inclined to think that everything is baked in.

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Speaker 3: Based on We talked to JD.

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Speaker 1: Vans about this earlier that people have basically made up

870
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Speaker 1: their mind. But this is the entire race for Democrats.

871
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: They have essentially gambled everything. They pushed their chips into

872
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Speaker 1: the table. They said, we want Trump as the opponent,

873
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: and they believe that if they get a conviction, particularly

874
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Speaker 1: in that January sixth, the Jack Smith case, that it

875
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Speaker 1: will swing the election in their favor. Now, I don't

876
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Speaker 1: think they ever thought buck that they would be sitting

877
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Speaker 1: in a situation I mentioned the third party, and I

878
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Speaker 1: do think it's it's the wild card here exactly how

879
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Speaker 1: this would play in the Harvard Harris poll. As you

880
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: just mentioned, Trump is up six. But what's really intriguing

881
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: to me is if you throw all of these third

882
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Speaker 1: party candidates in. So they polled Trump, Biden, RFK Junior,

883
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Speaker 1: Carnell West, Jill Stein right, Cornell West, left wing black

884
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Speaker 1: professor from Harvard precently known, is it Princeton now? Was

885
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: he formerately at Harvard, lead leftist for some time, but

886
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: decently well known. Jill Stein obviously the Green Party. She

887
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: says she's coming back, and we know RFK Junior. We

888
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: talked about that earlier. Trump actually has an eleven point

889
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: lead there. Now this is without Chris Christy, this is

890
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: without the no labels, as Buck said, may be designed

891
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Speaker 1: to keep Trump from being elected. But if you only

892
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Speaker 1: had RFK Junior, Trump's up eight. If you have Trump,

893
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: he's up eleven. My thought is, as you analyze this,

894
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: and I think most of you would agree.

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Speaker 3: Trump's forty four or forty.

896
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Speaker 1: Five is as die hard as any forty four or

897
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Speaker 1: forty five out there. That is the percentage that would

898
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Speaker 1: support him. I don't think there really is a Biden base.

899
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: I think there's an anti Trump base. The more options

900
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Speaker 1: there are, the more the anti Trump vote gets diluted.

901
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Which is why Buck when I said, like if Joe

902
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Speaker 1: Manchin runs, I think it hurts Biden. I think when

903
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: you don't have a hardcore base, that your support is

904
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: more fungible and people are willing to go elsewhere. Like

905
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: I think forty five percent that Trump has baked in

906
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: that will show up for him, would walk through, you know,

907
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: a fiery conflagration to be able to cast a ballot

908
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Speaker 1: for Trump. I think Biden's support is not that right.

909
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: There is no diehard Biden base, so I think every

910
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: third party by and large hurts him.

911
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: I've never met a person who was deeply emotionally invested

912
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: in Joe Biden. Every Democrat I know is deeply emotionally

913
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Speaker 2: invested in defeating Donald Trump, so it doesn't really matter.

914
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: But I've never met somebody goes, you know, who really

915
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: gets me fired up about leadership in America. Joe Biden,

916
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Like no one believes that. Also in this polvo, I

917
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: thought this was really interesting. Immigration is now Sam Harvard

918
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Speaker 2: Harris Poll top concern for voters, up seven points in

919
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: the last month. It is now at thirty five percent.

920
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: It is ahead of inflation, and seventy seven percent of

921
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: voters think the Biden administration should make a deal with

922
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Speaker 2: Republicans to increase security. Sixty five percent of Democrats and

923
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: sixty eight percent this is what's really tough for them

924
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Speaker 2: think the Biden administration should make it tougher to get

925
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Speaker 2: into the US illegally. Okay, sixty eight percent of people

926
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Speaker 2: think Biden needs to make it harder.

927
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Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying.

928
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Speaker 2: This is seventy thirty issue now in America. And that's

929
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Speaker 2: why Clay I mean, is he your favorite Democrat senator?

930
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 7: Now?

931
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Speaker 3: I mean, do we need to just suck it up

932
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Speaker 3: and speak the truth?

933
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Speaker 8: Here?

934
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Speaker 2: Is John fetterman of the Democrats, the best Democrat senator?

935
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Speaker 2: Or is this all someploy to you know, throw people

936
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Speaker 2: off and now he's going moderate and he's going to

937
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: become a comedy again. I don't know, but all I

938
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Speaker 2: can tell you is listen to what he says here.

939
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Speaker 2: This is cut twenty four about a secure border.

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Speaker 8: I honestly don't understand why it's controversial to say we

941
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Speaker 8: need a secure border. I've been very clear in fact

942
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Speaker 8: that was weaponized against me as Republicans in my race

943
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 8: that very much a strong supporter of immigration, and you

944
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Speaker 8: know my wife's family. That's the Oregon story about that.

945
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 8: And I think two things can be true at the

946
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Speaker 8: same time. You can be very supportive of immigration, but

947
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Speaker 8: we also need to have a secure border. And I

948
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Speaker 8: really I think about immigration as we want to provide

949
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Speaker 8: the American dream for any migrant, but it seems very

950
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Speaker 8: difficult when you have three hundred thousand people showing up

951
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Speaker 8: encountered at at a quarterer.

952
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not like perfect on immigration, obviously, but

953
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Speaker 2: he's better than some Republicans. I mean, if we're gonna

954
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: speak truth on this one, I think he's better on

955
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: the border than some Republican senators are right now, which

956
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Speaker 2: is astonishing considering he came in as the hoodie wearing

957
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Speaker 2: communist of Pennsylvania.

958
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Speaker 1: I think I would have to say of any Democrat

959
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Speaker 1: senator that I have seen so far in the in

960
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Speaker 1: the last six months or so, since October seventh, for sure,

961
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Speaker 1: which seems to have been October seventh, seems to have

962
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Speaker 1: been a clarifying moment. And I mean, heck, I don't

963
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Speaker 1: know that he would come on this show. I mean,

964
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Speaker 1: I guess ali we could, we could invite him. I mean,

965
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Speaker 1: I imagine that he would not want to come on

966
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Speaker 1: radio because I think he still has auditory processing issues

967
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Speaker 1: and it might not go very well for him. And

968
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Speaker 1: even when you hear him talk there, I mean, it's

969
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Speaker 1: not a perfectly scripted answer. But since October seventh, I

970
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Speaker 1: think he's been rattled. I honestly think if you sat

971
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Speaker 1: down with John Fetterman, I think there are many Fettermans

972
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: out there. I hear from them Buck because they said,

973
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, I thought you when you talked about identity politics,

974
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: culture war stuff, I thought you were exaggerating where we

975
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: were headed. I think a lot of If you are rational,

976
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: let me say this to everybody out there as we

977
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: get rolling in twenty twenty four, you should be willing

978
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: to change your opinion if the facts change on any

979
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: situation that is out there that you have an opinion on.

980
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: You should constantly be challenging yourself. You should be looking

981
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: at the fact, you should be assessing, you should be analyzing,

982
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: you should be processing, and you should be willing to adjust.

983
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I think the people who were on the left and

984
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: are honest, October seventh shook a lot of them, not

985
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: only what happened with Hamas's attack upon Israel, but the

986
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: fact that so many people lined up and said Israel

987
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: is to blame. And what John Fetterman is saying is

988
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: one hundred percent true. There should be no one in

989
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: America who's opposed to a secure southern border. None of

990
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: us benefit, none of us by restricting the flow of

991
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: illegal immigration. And so what happened is I think buck,

992
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: if you go back to twenty fifteen, the idea of

993
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: a wall is not crazy. What's the first thing most

994
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: rich people do when they buy a home, They put

995
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: a freaking wall around it.

996
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: No course, of course, walls work, and anyone who spent

997
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: any time with border patrol will say that the wall

998
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: is a tool. Like so many things. It's not a

999
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 2: argument and oh we have a wall, now everything's over

1000
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: because people can drill holes in or they can.

1001
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: Put you know, a ldder. I mean there are ways.

1002
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: I've seen people arrested for going through the wall, but

1003
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: they got arrested because it slows them down. It allows

1004
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: the greater concentration of border patrol resources in high traffic areas.

1005
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: There are sensors, there's multiple fences, there's a lot of

1006
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: things that come into it. But I thought this really

1007
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: really hit at home. It's just something that's not getting

1008
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: very much attention. But right now, in trying to find

1009
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 2: the name, oh yeah, in Denver Health, which is a

1010
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: hospital in Denver, that's pretty obvious.

1011
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 3: I guess it.

1012
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: Would be an upset if it was New York City.

1013
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it would really throw people off. They

1014
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: have a budget shortfall of over one hundred and thirty

1015
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: six million dollars and are demanding a federal bailout. And

1016
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: they say that you know what's causing this, folks caring

1017
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: for more than eight thousand illegal aliens, particularly in their

1018
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: emergency rooms, destroying this that this the hospital is going bankrupt,

1019
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: a major hospital in Denver. That's just in Denver. There

1020
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: an't even that many new illegals piling in there. Thirty

1021
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 2: percent of er visits across New York City, across the

1022
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: five boroughs as of I think it was a couple

1023
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: of months ago. Migrants, illegals, illegals just because that's where

1024
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: they go to get healthcare. And they're also getting healthcare

1025
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: in these migrant centers, by the way, but that's a

1026
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: whole other thing.

1027
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: But you know, you can.

1028
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: Imagine if you're sitting there and you know, you had

1029
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: an accident and you got a screwdriver sticking through your

1030
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: forearm and you really need help in the er, you know,

1031
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: while migrants are there getting prescription glasses and stuff.

1032
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 3: You gotta wait. It's not good.

1033
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: No, And this is where Greg Abbott's decision to actually

1034
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: force the sanctuary cities to live by the sort of

1035
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: left wing talking points that they were endorsing on a

1036
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: regular basis.

1037
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh we're a sanctuary city, Oh we believe.

1038
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: And I mean I thought DeSantis called this out perfectly

1039
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: when he flew people into Martha's Vineyard, and you saw

1040
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: how quickly Martha's Vineyard with fifty immigrants arriving, illegal immigrants,

1041
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: totally collapsed. They couldn't handle fifty. They declared a state

1042
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: of emergency. They they forced them off the island, right,

1043
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean in Boston fell apart just fifty. And I

1044
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: think all of these places that geographically are remote New York, Boston, Washington,

1045
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: d C, Chicago for examples, in this country, Denver is

1046
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: hap having it happen too. But they all were able

1047
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: to basically make hay from the fact that they aren't

1048
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: that geographically close to having to deal with the issue.

1049
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: And what Greg Abbott forced everybody to have to reconcile

1050
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: with is what Texas deals with on a day to

1051
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Speaker 1: day basis. And by the way, Buck, that Harvard Harris

1052
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: Pole that you mentioned, not only did that Harvard Harris

1053
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: Pole came out today, I believe it was Suffolk came

1054
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: out with a New York State Biden v. Trump pole,

1055
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: and in third party racing, Trump was only down nine

1056
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: points in New York State. And you say, how in

1057
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: the world does that happen. That's again when you factor

1058
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: in the third party candidates. I think it was like

1059
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: forty six thirty seven something like that. He's now Trump

1060
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: winning a majority of Hispanic voters in the state of

1061
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Speaker 1: New York. Think about how crazy that is. Again, New

1062
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: York is not particularly a battleground state, but the Hispanic

1063
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: vote is moving according to that suphole poll that came

1064
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: out today in a way now that Trump is winning

1065
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: the majority of Hispanic vote in New York State, and

1066
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Speaker 1: I think that's partly related to illegal immigration.

1067
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Speaker 2: You know something's not right out there, because there's a

1068
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: whole lot more noise you'll hear advocating for abortion than

1069
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: there is for unborn children to be given life. That's

1070
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Speaker 2: the way it is in the society because since Roe v.

1071
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: Wade was overturned, unfortunately, unborn babies lives are an even

1072
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: greater risk. The abortion pill now accounts for over fifty

1073
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 2: percent of all abortions. That makes the tragedy of abortion

1074
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: available twenty four to seven. In the midst of this darkness,

1075
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Speaker 2: there's a light that shines, and that's the work in

1076
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: miracles happening at the Preborn Network of Clinics. This nonprofit

1077
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Speaker 2: organization has rescued over two hundred and eighty thousand babies

1078
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: from abortion in their seventeen years of fighting for the unborn.

1079
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: Every day they rescue two hundred babies. When a woman

1080
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Speaker 2: considering abortion visits a Preborn clinic, she receives unconditional love

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