WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys Break: Kellen Moore Named Offensive Coordinator 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.720 This he's hanging with the Talking Cowboys break streaming live 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:13.080 on Dallas Cowboys dot com and the official Dallas Cowboys app. Well. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.640 Breaking news coming out of the Star in Frisco. Here 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.720 today on a Thursday, Rob Phillips joined by Mickey Spagnola, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.079 David Hellman, Nick Eatman, Kick Garrison producing, We've got a 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.880 new offensive coordinator here with your Dallas Cowboys. I don't 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.040 know if this is a huge shock, but it is 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.200 now official. Kellen Moore, the new OC for your Dallas Cowboys, 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.760 and John kitten of the new quarterbacks coach. Jerry almost 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.400 tipped his hand last night on the fan, just almost 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.479 almost or just did kind of did. Yeah, he stopped 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.560 himself and said, Jason will probably be sending this out 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.080 pretty soon, very quickly. We got a nit definition of 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.520 soon then, didn't we? Yeah, seriously, I mean, I'm I'm 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.560 surprised in the sense that I thought this would happen 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.880 Monday or Tuesday after the Super Bowl. M me too. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.880 Maybe maybe the firmness Jerry Jones literally last night said 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.520 to do it, said I'm gonna I'm gonna let I'm 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.880 gonna let Jason make an announcement here soon. But I 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.760 won't be surprised if if you know, Kellen Moore is 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.919 heavily involved in making the play calls on the field 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.800 next year or ultimately he has the full responsibility. Like 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.319 that's what he said. Let he's gonna let Jason do it. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.560 So he's gonna let Jason make the announcement except not 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.360 really really, And he didn't want to take away from 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.960 the super Bowl except not really, except he always does right, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.120 Anythony Davis already did that in the NBA. Right, I 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.560 gotta trumped him on Monday. But hey, it's this is 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.160 big news regardless, Nick, Yeah, it is big news. And 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.959 you know there's a big question out there about you 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.280 know what, what's gonna be different? What's different? Because because 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.600 Lenahan and Kellen Moore were always connected together, But you 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.800 know what's he going to be able to do it 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.480 to call these plays that are different? And hopefully it's 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.240 get Dak Prescott more involved as a runner in my opinion, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.760 to be able to do more things that he's good at. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.840 So that's what I'm hoping we'll see at a Calmore. Now, 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.680 have you guys ever been in a bowling class in college? 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.880 He almost failed it. Yeah, Sword of God, because what 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.320 probably happened is you're supposed to go out there and 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.480 throw out like a forty four to start it off, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.640 and then from the rest on it's like, well, you 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.480 can only get better from there, and that's how you're graded. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.400 Went out seven points in the Pro Bowl. You know, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.000 no one's expected much. You can only get better from that. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.560 But I do like the flee flicker he called, you 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.040 do like your fleeflickers. I can't. How about the snap 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:37.280 to to Zeke? Yeah, all that, I can't. I can't 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.720 grade a guy on a game where running backs were 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.880 rushing the passer A lot of people did know people 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.720 did one hundred and less than one hundred and fifty 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.639 yards and seven points in a game designed to score 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.200 points and not be real football is not good, But 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.240 it's so far. When he got his quarterback and they 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.040 went down to school, damn right, they did Russell Wilson's fault. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:01.720 That's Mitch Rubisky out of here, miss Rubisky. That it's interesting, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.359 I mean to your question like I don't know, I 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.560 like I've heard you know. Travis Frederick had a glowing 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.600 endorsement of his football IQ. His coaches at Boise State 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.919 have been quoted recently Dak Prescott is obviously his biggest fan, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.000 going all the way back to twenty sixteen. But how 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.760 can you sit here and know for sure one way 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.560 or the other if it's going to look different. I mean, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.000 I think it would be disingenuous to to just rave 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.480 that it's going to be this vast departure. I don't 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.440 expect it to be a huge departure. I think this 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.080 hire makes a lot of sense for the type of 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.040 things that Jason Garrett likes to do. I think he 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.400 wants familiarity. I think he wants a guy that he 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.320 knows well and can work with. Doesn't mean Kellen Moore 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.640 won't be able to have his own ideas, But you know, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.360 I don't think Jason Garrett wants to go out and 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.280 hire some guy he's never met to be in charge 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.880 of his offense, especially if he's got one year left 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.320 on his contract. So I don't know, it's curious. I 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.640 don't know what to expect, but I'm willing to have 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.800 an open mind that Kellen Moore can bring some new 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.600 st off at the table. For sure. I think we 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.160 have to see how it pans out. I mean, it's 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.280 one thing to have a title. It's another thing to 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:12.000 see how much authority you have. And you know, he's 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.200 not gonna sit in his office just you know, and 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.720 be an independent contractor and start, you know, drawing up 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:23.680 some extravagant things in the offense. Jason Garrett's going to 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.400 be heavily involved in the game planning during the week 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:33.320 and putting the scheme together. Now, Kellen may call the plays, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.359 but remember Jason has a headset on, just like he 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.120 had a headset on when Lenahan was here. And you 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.000 can talk on the headset to each other. So it's 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.400 not like this guy's gonna have Kellen's gonna just have 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.640 free rein to do whatever nilly willie he wants to do. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.160 You know, Jason still can trump him on a play 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.440 call or this is what we're gonna do. We scripted 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.080 this stuff, pick that play from that situation to call now. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.920 And so I still think he'll have a heavy hand 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.520 in in developing what the game plan he is on 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.920 for Sundays. Yeah, and I think, well, Jason loves to 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.640 use the word collaborative. Jerry used it last night too. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.720 I think we've heard way too much talk about Doug Nussmeyer, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.960 John Kittner. You know, it kind of gets buried under 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.919 the Kella Moore news, but he's officially on the staff 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.560 as the quarterbacks coach. Yep, Jerry Jones. I don't want 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.560 to say surprising, but I thought it was noteworthy how 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.279 often Jerry Jones brought up Mark Colombo as a guy 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.719 whose ideas he's interested in. MY main point being is 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.159 I think mixed right. I think there's gonna be a 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.120 lot of people involved in this. I think it's kind 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.440 of you know, Kelly Moore might ultimately call the plays, 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.520 he's the offensive coordinator. I think there's gonna be a 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.280 lot of voices involved in putting the plan together. Jerry 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:48.960 spoke to that yesterday on the fan. He called it 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.000 a collaborative effort, and he said he wants these young coaches. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.039 I think he said he wants some you know, figuratively 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.240 step in front of the train, brings some new ideas 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.640 to the table, try to figure out ways to get 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.240 this offense better than it was last year. And I 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.599 know Mickey and I discussed this on Talking Cowboys. I 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.160 know them the break you guys have too. I mean, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.880 no question the offense improved, not coincidentally with Amari Cooper, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:16.560 uh there down the stretch. But there's still growth, room 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.440 for growth. There a lot of room for growth there. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.200 When you look at the offenses that made it to 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.400 the Final four this season in the AFC, in the NFC, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.360 they were more prolific over the course of the entire 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.440 season than this Dallas offense, no question about it. Yeah, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.040 and then and then the Saints scored twenty three points. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.400 I don't really care about that. I'm talking about the 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:40.120 entire macro. But the Rams defense was was good, and 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.280 I don't know what took them so long to kind 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.760 of get there, But I mean their defense is like 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.400 finally turned you know, all the all the guys they 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.120 had brought in and all the money they had paid 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.200 for they finally played like it there in the playoffs, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.839 you know, and merely shut down. And we saw the Saints. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.960 I mean, the Saints guy shot down by a cowboy 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.320 defense as well. So that's that happens. But you're right, Rob, 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.120 the red zones got to get better. I gotta get 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.760 more consistent there, and I you know, I think I 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.479 think they need help at tight end. I mean, I 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.840 think we everyone thinks that that they need to get 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.200 help at tight end. But I think the tight end 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.040 will help with the red zone if you can get 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.920 a real um blocking tight end who can who can catch? Yeah? 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.800 Or how about just a tight end who's played ten 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.320 games in the NFL. Yeah, that would help too. And 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.920 so now you've got he's the second round pick actually 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.960 played right, You played with three tight ends after Swain 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.960 got hurt that had never played in the end. But 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.320 but that's there. That's that's another thing that's got to 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:41.640 change here in my opinion. You know, drop the arrogance. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.920 I mean, drop drop the like we do what we 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.040 do and we're gonna put in Just because you put 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.760 te next to the guy's name doesn't mean they are 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.640 real tight ends. And and and they they they went 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.040 into last year thinking we don't need a number one receiver, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.080 watch this, we don't really need we can replace Witten 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.800 with this, And that's not true. Now now they scrambled 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.520 halfway through the year to get a first round pick receiver. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.160 And I think they didn't need to get it. I mean, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.120 just quit acting like you got it all figured out, like, well, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.800 that's that's what they do. But they, well, to your 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.680 to their credit, they figured out halfway through. We got 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.720 to do something with a Dak even spoke to this 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.440 on the fan today. We'll get to a cut from 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.240 him about Kellen later, but uh, he said, I wasn't 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.680 comfortable early in the season because we had it wasn't 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.560 like guys weren't trying to get open or getting open, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.400 but we were shifting guys in any team receivers either 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.959 I needed. Basically, he said, I needed consistency with the rotation. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.240 And that's what they figured out. Um, and they should 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.520 have played more in preseason because this wasn't an established team. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:48.680 Played the first team offense needed to play and and 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.559 they just assume, Okay, now this season opener and we're 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.040 gonna turn it on, and we got everything figured out 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.160 and score eight points. That goes. I mean, that's a 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.559 whole other conversation. I mean, you know, if you want 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:01.079 to go all the way back to August, I mean, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.240 three fifths of the offensive line is missing, Travis Fredericks 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.319 being diagnosed with autoimmune diseases, Like, I mean, there were 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.040 some factors there other than think, well we're good, isn't 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.960 it the rams? And I don't know this because I'm 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:15.520 kind of on the fence when it comes to the 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.880 preseason stuff. But winning the Rams, the team that did 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.160 played absolutely nobody. They sat a lot of guys and 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.720 then start off well. So I mean, I think there's 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.080 cases for both, but well, no, what I was gonna 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.040 say to your point is like, Okay, they deserve credit 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.640 for recognizing the problem with Amari Cooper. They also deserved 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.960 plenty of blame for feeling okay that that was a 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.400 good idea. The tight end thing, I'm not as willing 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.079 to kill them for, Like we talked about this on 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.400 the break the other day, like it kind of gets 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.880 swept under the rug, like Jason Witten did them no favors, Yeah, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.280 no favors whatsoever. I mean, you wake up on Friday 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.360 morning and find out you might not have your starting 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.400 tight end Friday morning of the NFL Draft, Like that's 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.160 when they've knew for sure that they weren't going to 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:59.240 have them. Like that's crappy timing. So I don't want 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.319 to kill them for being arrogant there. I think they 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.520 kind of they probably got caught a little flat footed 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.040 and just in hindsight, you know, Philadelphia got them by 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.600 one pick. But do you would you have wanted them 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:14.480 to take Goddard. No, no, and it's a gigantic myth. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.360 I think they were always interested in Connor Williams. Maybe 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.320 Philly was being preemptive because they thought the Cowboys might 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.560 draft Alice Goddard. But we'll go fire up the audio 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.000 of the phone calls. They were but okay, But now 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.240 after what you've seen and in one year and they're 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.240 both about the same, they kind of I'm well, I 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.120 would say Goddard got better as the year went on 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.160 and Connor kind of had a little up and down. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.679 Now after everything that's happened, and you really haven't fixed 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.400 tight end and you got to a filo in the mix. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.200 I think you can address it this year though, because 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.800 it just it's early. But looking at the draft, it's 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.520 pretty rich and tight ends. I mean, you could go 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.480 find one and is he gonna come in here and 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.800 be able to block when you go two tight ends? 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.400 Because that was their problem. They stuck with at two 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.000 tight end, think because that's what we do. But the 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.439 two tight ends couldn't block. And let's not kid ourselves. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.120 At the end of Witton's career, he wasn't exactly a 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.319 block of granite out there blocking. I'm very comfortable having 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.000 a guy who can start at left guard or theoretically 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.920 maybe help me address my tackle problems. Yeah, that's another conversation, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.680 which to your point, that's the biggest thing for me 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.800 with Kellen Moore, and that's what we're here to talk 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.200 about in the first place. Is Yeah, I agree with you, 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.559 Like I think one of this team's biggest problems. You 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.640 can call it confidence, you can call it arrogance, like 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.800 Jason Garrett's whole deal is like, if we do what 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.440 we do to the best of our abilities, we can 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.719 beat anybody. And what just wasn't true a lot of 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.640 the times last year. It hasn't been true from a 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.720 personnel standpoint exactly. Yeah, Well, but if you don't have 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.599 the personnel to line up and win, you got a 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.640 scheme ways to do it Otherwise I thought, you know, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.480 it drove me crazy, and I know Tavon Austin was 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.560 hurt for a lot of the year, but again, you 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.160 go back, go away. I hate to compare him to 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.240 the Rams because the Rams are the best offense in football, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.000 but they don't do anything that that's the complex. They 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.760 make it look complex and then they run simple looks 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.040 out of complex looking schemes. I mean, you know, I've 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.040 said it ten million times. I'm sorry, motioning receivers, orbit 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.360 motions into the backfield, moving your running backs. I just 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.760 I would like to see more of that, because this 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.640 big boy attitude of our best will beat your best. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.280 When it works, it's awesome, but it doesn't work a 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.160 lot of the times and it gets you beat And 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.200 I hope Kellen Moore can can change some of that. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.439 And you know, if you look at that, that mentality, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.120 you know that the quarterback obviously matters there because when 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.480 you think back to twenty fourteen, you know they were 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.440 doing that. They were running over people with de Marco 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.000 Murray and Romo was the quarterback and they were rushed 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.480 for eighteen hundred yards and then fifteen Romo gets hurt 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.000 and Kellen Moore was one of the quarterbacks and Weedon 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.120 and Castle and those guys, and they were the worst 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.040 third and one team in the league because they couldn't 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.400 really knock people off the ball. So and then they 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.200 got back in sixteen and they were doing it again. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.360 So you know, having quarterback presidents obviously helps with that 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.920 offensive line. And so you know that I'm not I'm 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.880 not saying anything that no one doesn't know. I mean, 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.600 Dak's got to play well for the offense to do well, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.880 and he needs also not get sacked fifty six times. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.800 You want to hear a cut from Dak Prescott today, Yeah, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.840 I'd love to hear him where we got kent This 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.440 is on the fan Earlier, Dak Prescott asked about Kellen 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.560 Moore before the announcement was made. I mean, he's honestly 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.679 one of these young genius phenomens in the game and 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.599 just what he knows the way obviously he knows the 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.800 football that we've been playing and kind of where the 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.800 game's been going, the wall on the ball or whatever 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:33.719 it is. That the style of player you want to 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.400 call it. But he's specially, he's specially he knows a 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.600 lot about the game. Just the way he sees the game. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.640 Where he's ahead of the game. He can bring a 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.120 lot to us, a lot of creativity, uh, something we need. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.240 And by the way, that's not lip service either. Dak's 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.320 been saying that for three years that Kellen has called 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.120 him a genius before. I think he really he trusts 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.600 him and he appreciates the help Kellen gave him as 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.839 a rookie. When Kellen lost his job to injury as 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.440 the backup, and then ultimately Dak took over as the starter. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.360 There's a trust factor there, there's no question in trying 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.680 to figure out a solution once they parted ways with 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.959 Scott Linahan. I'm sure Dax was asked, you know how, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.600 what do you think about this? And I'm sure he's 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.120 comfortable with it, which and that goes back to my point. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.760 You're right, it's not lip service. Dak loves Kellen Moore 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.680 and I mentioned it earlier. You can go find the 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.000 audio on Twitter. Travis Frederick said some really glowing stuff 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.880 about Kellen in a radio interview a week or so ago, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:33.360 of really insightful stuff. But so is it lip service? No, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.280 because I think they believe it, But like I haven't 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.080 seen it, you know what I mean? Sure, And that 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.000 doesn't mean he can't do it. It It doesn't mean he's 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.560 not a phenom. But I feel weird sitting here talking 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.640 up you know, his credentials, Like I have no idea. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.040 We talked about that all year long. Is you know, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.520 people were mad at Kellen because he's inexperienced, He's too 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.200 young to be Dak's quarterbacks coach. I'm sitting here like, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.880 I don't know what do we have? We have the 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.520 Pro Bowl, we have the Pro Bowl and like footage 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.680 of him sitting on the sideline with Dak, Like that's 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.640 really all we've got to go on. True, and that 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.520 is fair because Wade Wilson was the quarterbacks coach for 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.440 what fifteen years, and you can't really say that you 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.760 ever saw much there. I mean, yeah, he had guys 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.680 go to the Pro Bowl? Yeah, Romo did did well. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.520 Was it because of Wade Wilson? He also had Chad 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.240 Hutchinson and Quincy Carter and Drew Hinson and sometimes that 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.080 didn't work either. So what does the court? It's hard 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.760 to really see what a quarterback coach is doing. Yeah, 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.760 until they get into him. It's more of a more 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.640 until they get a really good quarterback. Well, I've been 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.760 I've been going back and forth with people on people 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.280 with people on Twitter for two weeks because I think 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.840 it's it's it's just an interesting thought. Kellen Moore is 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.960 the quarterbacks coach of it. He's a young, young coach 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.760 with a young quarterback for the Cowboys. Up and down 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.280 results a lot of people don't like him. A lot 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:50.960 of people did not want him to get this job 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.560 Mike Kafka as the quarterbacks coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.640 People would be doing backflips if he had been hired 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.800 to be the offensive coordinator here because his quarterback just 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.240 through for fifty touchdowns and redefined what a quarterback is 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.680 capable of. They have the exact same resume where they 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.080 came out at the same time, they played the same 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.760 number of years in the NFL and accomplished the same amount. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.800 They've been coaching in the NFL for the same amount 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.400 of time, and who coordinated that Kansas City offense well 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.480 this year was being the enemy Andy Reid too. Here's 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.840 the difference the head coach. Where did Kellen Moore start 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.640 his career and who'd he play for? Yeah, Scott Lindhand, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.600 And that's the thing. He's tied to Scott lind Hand. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.280 And people that don't like Scott lind Hand and what 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.680 he did in this offense, they think with Kellen coming in, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.520 it's going to be the same thing. And I'm with 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.480 you guys on the fact that it's Jason Garrett's offense 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.520 and it's been his offense since two thousand and seven. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.480 So I have a hard time believe, like Mickey calls 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.320 at Star Wars, you know, some of what we've seen 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.920 throughout the league college offenses, some of those concepts becoming 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.440 more prevalent. I don't see that. I think the core 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.000 of this thing is going to stay the same. But 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.040 it doesn't mean that Kellen Moore can't bring something to 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.560 the table. And he's a clone of Scott Linehan. Now. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.560 I just hope that they realized that, you know, gone 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.840 of the days or not gone. But but this isn't 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.639 your franchise stand in the pocket Troy Aikman, Tony Romol 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.639 type of quarterback. This is a guy that needs to 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.240 be on the move a little bit. I think it's 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.360 I think the stats speak for themselves. I don't mean 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.240 he has to run twenty five times a game, but 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.480 he needs to run a little bit because that is 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.800 what he's good at. And you have two runners that 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.960 can run like that. They need to I think they 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.640 need to need to think about that a little bit more. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.399 And I one thing that gives me confidence is Kellen 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.560 Moore is not your prototypical quarterback. And I don't you know, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.960 college success clearly doesn't translate to the NFL. But he 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.720 was very, very good in college despite being much smaller 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:40.160 than average and not a runner, but a mobile ish quarterback. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.320 He could use his feet. So I'm encouraged to think 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.320 that he knows how to incorporate those types of things 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.920 into calling an offense for Dak. I don't think he's 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.760 going to ask him to play like Troy Aikman, because 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.000 he wasn't that way when he was in college. Again 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.200 and go, you know, I've mentioned five or six things 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.959 you can see on the internet. Another one, you know, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.280 people pulled up his clip with John Gruden in the 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.159 pre draft process when he came out, and you know, 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.760 it's it's not going to show you what he's gonna 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.600 be like as an offensive coordinator, but if you want 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.199 to get a look into what he's like as a 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.640 football mind, it's really interesting. You can find it on 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.119 YouTube ord Twitter and just him shooting the breeze with 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.720 John Gruden about football for three or four minutes. People 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.480 saw that and they kind of they didn't know about it, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.399 and they were like, oh no, maybe this guy actually 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.560 knows what he's gonna be not stupid. He's definitely not dumb. 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.000 Like he knows more about quarterback than anybody listening to 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:31.199 this podcast. So, like I said, I just you know, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.320 nobody likes it when you ride the fence. But like 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:34.960 I think this could be a really great higher I 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.080 don't feel confident saying it definitely will be, but I'm alright, 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.280 I'm alright with it. I'm interested to see how he does. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.760 We you and I talked about something a minute ago 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:48.240 pre show. It's kind of interesting, Okay, It's the engine 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.000 of this thing is Ezekiel Elliott. Right. It's a run 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.000 first offense. It always has been, and that's not gonna change. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.280 I mean, he's gonna be a significant part of this thing. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.240 But the Rams are an example of a team that 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.560 has an elite running back that are as versatile and 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.520 nimble as you can ask. So there are ways to 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.720 still have Zeke as a primary piece of this thing 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.200 and maybe be a little more diverse in what you do. Yeah, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.719