WEBVTT - The Avengers (2012)

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<v Speaker 1>Warning! Today's episode contains spoilers for Marvel's The Avengers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh!

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh!

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<v Speaker 3>I was a king! The rightful king of Asgard! I

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<v Speaker 3>was betrayed!

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<v Speaker 1>Your ambition is little. Port of childish need. Look beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the earth to greater worlds. Tesseract the male.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have the Tesseract yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't threaten, but until I open the doors, until

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<v Speaker 2>your force is mine to command, you have but one.

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<v Speaker 1>You will have your war, Asgaria. If you fail, if

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<v Speaker 1>the Tesseract is kept from us, there will be no realm,

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<v Speaker 1>no barren moon, no crevice where we cannot find you.

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<v Speaker 1>You think you know pain? He will make you long

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<v Speaker 1>for something as sweet as pain. Hello, my name is

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Contempcio.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Rosie Knight.

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome back to Extra Reviews of the Podcast, where

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, we are... Continuing our Impending.

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<v Speaker 2>Doomsday series, each week we are revisiting one of the

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<v Speaker 2>15 properties that Marvel has highlighted as essential viewing before

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<v Speaker 2>Avengers Doomsday.

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<v Speaker 3>We started with X-Men and X2.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you haven't heard those, you can find them

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<v Speaker 2>in this feed or the Impending Doomsday feed. In case

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't listened yet, we're going to start with some background.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to tell you the facts. Then we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to a recap. And then we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how this movie fits in. Why is it included?

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<v Speaker 3>How is it going to play into Doomsday?

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<v Speaker 1>Some quick facts about the Marvel's The Avengers, the movie

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<v Speaker 1>that really showed that the MCU is a force to

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<v Speaker 1>be reckoned with.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Penn wrote the first script for the film and

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<v Speaker 1>none of his dialogue made it to the screen. Penn

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<v Speaker 1>was hired after writing. Sorry to that, man. Sorry to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Penn was hired after writing 2008's The Incredible Hulk. Joss

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<v Speaker 1>Whedon rewrote the script after being hired to direct and

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<v Speaker 1>the finished film credits. Whedon alone with the screenplay and

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<v Speaker 1>Penn and Whedon with the story. Speaking to Yahoo Entertainment

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<v Speaker 1>in 2018, Penn said, quote, all of the dialogue was rewritten,

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<v Speaker 1>almost all of it, and that the fundamental story elements

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<v Speaker 1>had been put in place beforehand. Four things in Penn's

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<v Speaker 1>version did not survive. Hawkeye knocked Black Widow. was the

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<v Speaker 1>Avenger captured and interrogated, which Penn described as a nod

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<v Speaker 1>to the Ultimates. The Hulk went on a rampage in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. Loki did not enter the story until much,

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<v Speaker 1>much later, and there was a scene in which the

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<v Speaker 1>team took turns trying to lift Thor's hammer, and that

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<v Speaker 1>one turned up in Age of Ultron three years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel replaced Edward Norton as Bruce Banner in July 2010.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say he had already said at that

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<v Speaker 3>point he would come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We should do a whole episode on that. Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's drama, folks. So much drama.

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<v Speaker 2>And the two sides put out very different accounts that

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<v Speaker 2>did not match. Feige's statement given to HitFix said the

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<v Speaker 2>decision was based not on monetary factors, but on a

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<v Speaker 2>need for an actor who embodied the creativity and collaborative

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<v Speaker 2>spirit of the rest of the cast. Which is such

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<v Speaker 2>a crazy thing to say, because it's basically saying you

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<v Speaker 2>were a bitch who wouldn't play with the team. Norton's

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<v Speaker 2>agent at WME, Brian Swordstrom, called that statement purposefully misleading

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<v Speaker 2>and inappropriate and gave a timeline. Feige had raised bringing

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<v Speaker 2>Norton back. Norton had met with Whedon. Marvel had made

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<v Speaker 2>a financial offer. Negotiations were underway and Marvel moved on

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<v Speaker 2>before terms were reached. Norton posted his own statement on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 3>What a time. No Apple notes back then, guys. It

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<v Speaker 3>was just Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying it would not work out and thanking Marvel for

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<v Speaker 2>extending the offer. Reporting the story the same week, Deadline

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<v Speaker 2>said Marvel had made a pittance of an offer that

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<v Speaker 2>the recasting taught caught Norton without advance warning, and traced

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<v Speaker 2>the friction back to a 2008 fight between Norton, director

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<v Speaker 2>Louis Leterrier, another drama maker every time, and Marvel over

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<v Speaker 2>how to cut The Incredible Hulk, a fight Marvel won

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<v Speaker 2>since the release version was Marvel's cut. Mark Ruffalo was

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<v Speaker 2>in late stage talks within days, in time to stand

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<v Speaker 2>on the Comic-Con stage on July 25th.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Disney bought the rights to redistribute this movie from Paramount.

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<v Speaker 1>This is actually crazy. I did not know this until

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing research. From Paramount for $ 115 million, basically

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<v Speaker 1>less than two years, 564 days before it opened. The

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<v Speaker 1>three-way announcement on October 18, 2010 transferred Paramount's worldwide marketing

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<v Speaker 1>and distribution rights for The Avengers and Iron Man 3

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<v Speaker 1>to Disney. With the $ 115 million paid in two installments

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<v Speaker 1>on the two release dates and treated as a minimum

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee against distribution fees, Paramount kept Thor and Captain America.

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<v Speaker 1>Deadlines break down in the economics. Paramount had been earning

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<v Speaker 1>an 8% distribution fee on Marvel's titles and was set

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<v Speaker 1>to get nine on Iron Man 3. Disney had kept 92%

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<v Speaker 1>of the profits from Iron Man 2, which was $ 622

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<v Speaker 1>million worldwide. And the pictures covered by the Paramount arrangement

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<v Speaker 1>were the ones Marvel had financed through its 500 million

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<v Speaker 1>Merrill Lynch credit line earlier. Under Paramount's existing pay television deal,

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<v Speaker 1>the Avengers was licensed to Epix. 115 million. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a steal, honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a complete steal.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Merrill Lynch deal was how they were first

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<v Speaker 2>ever able to make any MCU movies. So, yeah, crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of crazy stuff, this is a legendary story. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard us on X-Ray Vision, you've probably heard us

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<v Speaker 2>tell a version of this story before.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Fury was drawn as Samuel L.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson in 2002 without anyone asking Samuel L.

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson or his people for permission.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Miller and Brian Hitch modeled the cast of The

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimates on actors to make the book feel cinematic, and

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<v Speaker 2>Fury was redesigned as.

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Former Marvel editor Ralph Macchio, on a panel at Tampa

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Comic Convention in 2024, recalled raising the approval problem

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<v Speaker 2>with Hitch and being told Hitch had connections with the

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<v Speaker 2>man and not to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Macchio's summary of how it ended.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson decided not to sue us and he was the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was played to play Nick Fury.

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<v Speaker 3>Wink, wink. Jackson has said he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Not know his likeness had been used until he saw

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<v Speaker 2>the comic. Yes, and rumor has it he called Marvel

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<v Speaker 2>and said, you better let me play that motherfucker if

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<v Speaker 2>you put him on screen. Yeah, you better.

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<v Speaker 1>Or else we're pulling every single book off the shelf.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, burn the books. Burn the most popular books you

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<v Speaker 3>just published.

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<v Speaker 1>The shawarma scene, the famed shawarma tag at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of Marvel's The Avengers did not exist when the film

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<v Speaker 1>held its world premiere. Collider, citing Entertainment Weekly, reports that

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Downey Jr. mentioned at an April 12, 2012 press

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<v Speaker 1>conference the day after the premiere that, that the cast

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<v Speaker 1>was reassembling that same day to shoot a last piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the film while they were already out on the

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<v Speaker 1>press tour. Chris Evans was shooting Snowpiercer at the time

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<v Speaker 1>and wore a prosthetic over his beard.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's crazy because he.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually does have like a really big beard in Snowpiercer.

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<v Speaker 1>And his back in the shawarma scene is to the camera.

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<v Speaker 1>So that makes sense. In the finished scene, he holds

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<v Speaker 1>a fist against his jaw. Alexis Denisoff, the other, has

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<v Speaker 1>said the idea came from a night after shooting the

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<v Speaker 1>Angel episode, A Hole in the World, when he, Whedon,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amy Acker went out afterward and sat there without talking. Ha!

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<v Speaker 2>I really love that somebody was like, this was a

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<v Speaker 2>really bad experience I had with Joss Whedon, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>turn it.

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<v Speaker 3>Into something cute. It was awkward when it happened with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel Comics replaced its main continuity, Nick Fury, to match

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<v Speaker 2>the movie and finished doing it weeks before the movie opened,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why, guys, we always tell you that they

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<v Speaker 2>seed stuff in those comics. Battle Scars was a six-issue

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<v Speaker 2>miniseries published across 2011 and 2012, written by Matt Fraction

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<v Speaker 2>and Christopher Yost, created to introduce Nick Fury Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>the black son of the original Nick Fury. But guys,

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<v Speaker 3>this is real. We're not even joking.

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<v Speaker 1>This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Corresponding to the version Jackson played on screen, the same

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<v Speaker 2>series moved Phil Coulson, a character invented for the film,

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<v Speaker 2>into the comics.

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<v Speaker 3>Issue six was reviewed at IGN.

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<v Speaker 2>On April 26, 2012, eight days before the domestic film's release.

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<v Speaker 2>Reviewing it there, Joey Esposito wrote, the series' approach to

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<v Speaker 2>establishing parallels with the movie universe was uninspired and disappointing.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do it, guys. Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, the movie went on to make like $ 1. 52 billion.

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<v Speaker 2>So whatever marketing they tried to do, this was a

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<v Speaker 2>game changer. This proved the MCU had the juice.

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<v Speaker 1>More juice than anybody had ever imagined.

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<v Speaker 3>More juice than anyone had ever had before.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to the recap after this. And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>We open Rosie in deep space where the other, played

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<v Speaker 1>by Alexis Denisoff, who is a beautifully robed but very

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<v Speaker 1>weird looking kind of gray purple skinned alien.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a bug alien.

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<v Speaker 1>Bugman with a kind of multi-hinged jaw is speaking to

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<v Speaker 1>a very large and shadowy someone sitting on a throne

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<v Speaker 1>up on the top of this asteroid. We don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to know who he is until much later. Oh, and

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<v Speaker 1>the other is saying that the Tesseract has woken up,

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<v Speaker 1>that their ally is on Earth ready for their army

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<v Speaker 1>of Chitauri that they're going to send to him. And

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<v Speaker 1>all the humans can.

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<v Speaker 3>Do is burn. Sick, sick opening, I gotta say.

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<v Speaker 1>Sicko.

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<v Speaker 2>Sets up the fucking stakes. There's a fucking crazy alien.

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<v Speaker 2>The superheroes are going to have to save it. You

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<v Speaker 2>do forget that even though they were taking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of inspiration from the Ultimates and this more grounded universe.

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<v Speaker 3>Avengers is a very heavy sci-fi music.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a movie, there's magic fights, there's magic versus science fights.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all these kind of fantastical elements, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something Feige was asked about a lot is like, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you combine Iron Man and Thor?

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<v Speaker 3>They just look at the comics, right? And they do

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<v Speaker 3>it here.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to Earth. Project Pegasus.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever heard of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Ever heard of it. This research facility is being hastily evacuated.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Fury lands on his helicopter and he gets a

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<v Speaker 1>quick update from the acclaimed physicist last seen in Thor,

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<v Speaker 1>Erik Selvig. Dr. Selvig explains that the cube, the Tesseract,

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic cube, is.

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<v Speaker 1>Malfunctioning in a way that suggests that it's like alive

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<v Speaker 1>or conscious or something.

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<v Speaker 3>It's misbehaving. He's like, say it's sentient.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Fury's like, where's Barton? And then Eric Selvig actually

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<v Speaker 1>gets to give Barton his codename.

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<v Speaker 3>Iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The Hawk.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Hawk is like up on the catwalk watching everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Up in his nest. Up in his nest. So he

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<v Speaker 1>comes down and he's like, yeah, I've been watching in

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<v Speaker 1>case like, something happens because the cube is a portal, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And a portal is a doorway and doors open from

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<v Speaker 1>both sides. So, you know, like just in case.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy that he is the first person who thought of

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<v Speaker 2>that in this whole place.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got multiple genius physicists and he's the only one

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<v Speaker 1>worried about it. The portal opens.

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<v Speaker 3>Classic Joss Whedon. Classic Joss Whedon timing. That's so Buffy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you say something's going to happen, it just

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<v Speaker 3>instantly happens. I love that show.

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<v Speaker 1>Portal opens. There's Loki. He's kneeling there next to the

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<v Speaker 1>cube near the portal with his scepter. There's like smoke

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<v Speaker 1>coming off of him. Yes, it's Thor's evil half-brother and

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<v Speaker 1>he looks mad. And that scepter is glowing and he

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<v Speaker 1>kills a bunch of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. like, quickly. They're just vaporized.

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<v Speaker 1>He then touches the tip of the scepter to Barton's

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<v Speaker 1>chest and brainwashes him. And then he does the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing to Erik Selvig. We will later, much later, discover

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<v Speaker 1>that the scepter contains the Mind Stone, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Infinity Gems. He then grabs the cube, which is tearing

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<v Speaker 1>the facility apart. Like, that can't be stopped at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's no way, like, they don't have Like Eric

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<v Speaker 2>says early on, he's still in early days of understanding it.

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<v Speaker 3>They do not have the potential to contain it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>done for. You've got to get out of there. Sorry

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<v Speaker 3>to the Mojave Desert again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's being absolutely destroyed. He makes his escape with his

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<v Speaker 1>two brainwashed allies now. Maria Hill and Nick Fury both

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<v Speaker 1>give chase independently. Maria almost gets buried in a tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>and Nick's helicopter crashes and Loki, of course, gets away

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<v Speaker 1>and then Nick gets on the horn. and calls in

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<v Speaker 1>the emergency. We've got a level one global threat.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh-oh, Avengers initiative.

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<v Speaker 1>Avengers initiative.

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<v Speaker 3>Activate.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say, Maria Hill and Nick Fury, not

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<v Speaker 2>looking like you're very good at your jobs in this one. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>this man should not have just been able to get

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<v Speaker 2>in and out like that. Like, in the Dark Energy Project.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Hawkeye can't be the smartest guy in the room. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a god, but it was pretty soft. I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>It was soft of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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<v Speaker 2>Loki looking fucking great, though. This is such a good

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<v Speaker 2>character introduction. This motherfucker does not give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>You forget how evil he is in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>So evil in this first movie.

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<v Speaker 2>They literally make Nazi comparisons to this man.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he still becomes lovable. That's the MCU, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to Russia where Natasha Romanoff, the infamous Black Widow,

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<v Speaker 1>is being interrogated. She's tied to a chair and is

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<v Speaker 1>being harangued by a trio of anonymous Russian goons. Sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>The general in charge of the interrogation is, you know, swaggering.

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<v Speaker 1>He thinks he's in charge. He's got it all fucking

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<v Speaker 1>tied up. He's looking at his tools. He's going to, like,

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<v Speaker 1>extract her molars with.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a skinny little girl. What could she do? She

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<v Speaker 3>can't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>His phone rings. It's Agent Phil Coulson on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, I know exactly where you are. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to blow up the entire fucking city block unless

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<v Speaker 1>you put the woman on the phone right now. So

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<v Speaker 1>the general hands Natasha the phone and Widow is like

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<v Speaker 1>a little, she's like got the phone hunched in her.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>Between her chin and her shoulder because she's tied up.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, listen, I'm in the middle of something.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got these guys just where I want them. They're

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<v Speaker 1>about to tell me everything. And the guys are like,

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian guys are like, what? We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you everything. Coulson's like, listen, big emergency. Barton's been compromised.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to bring you in. And that like really

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<v Speaker 1>rings a bell for Natasha. She's like, oh, this is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's like, OK, she immediately takes out the three

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<v Speaker 1>guys with ease while Coulson's just listening on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she picks up the phone after they're all

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<v Speaker 1>taken out. And Coulson's like, OK, so here's your mission.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take care of I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>after Stark. You need to go get the big guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's immediately kind of shaken by this. We go

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<v Speaker 1>to Kolkata, India. We see a child who's desperate for

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<v Speaker 1>help from Dr. Bruce Banner for her very ill father, apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>She leads him to their house, which is on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the city, but it's a setup. She goes

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<v Speaker 1>out the window on the other side and Natasha is

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<v Speaker 1>there to meet him. And she tells him, listen, Dr.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Banner, Sheila's been watching you. We've been just keeping

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<v Speaker 1>tabs on you, keeping people away from you. but we

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<v Speaker 1>need you now because there's a global catastrophe looming.

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<v Speaker 3>That we started. We're not going to tell you that,

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<v Speaker 3>that we started it with our shenanigans. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get into all that, but take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at this and shows them a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the cube and is like, that's the Tesseract. It was stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>We lost track of it. Nick Fury needs your help

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<v Speaker 1>finding it because you know gamma and it emits a

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<v Speaker 1>gamma signature. And so we think that Only you could

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<v Speaker 1>find it. And he's like, this has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the Hulk. You don't want the Hulk for experiments

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<v Speaker 1>or to turn into a weapon or anything. And she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I promise, I promise, I promise. But come talk to Fury.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll explain everything. And then this is the moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I love Mark Ruffalo.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love him so much. He's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>He slams on the table with both hands, really scary,

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<v Speaker 1>and leans across the table at her and is like,

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<v Speaker 1>stop lying to me. And Natasha... like what's like it

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<v Speaker 1>is yeah she actually it's scary she.

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<v Speaker 2>Knows who he is look we know that there is

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<v Speaker 2>an established history I will say this also sets up

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<v Speaker 2>one of the funniest tropes in the MCU which is

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<v Speaker 2>like Natasha's job is always just to go get a

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<v Speaker 2>man like every time she just has to go get

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<v Speaker 2>she has to get Tony Stark she has to get

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<v Speaker 2>this guy like she has to get all guy it's.

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<v Speaker 1>So funny so she has her pistol out not that

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<v Speaker 1>it would do anything and Bruce in this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a bashed Wei kind of goes, oh, sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Just kidding. I just wanted to see what you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do. And meanwhile, outside, and we see Natasha lying again,

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<v Speaker 1>the S.H.I.E.L.D. team that was there to back her up

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<v Speaker 1>is standing down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's so many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to a secure conference room, probably on the helicarrier.

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<v Speaker 1>The World Security Council... is fucking flipping out.

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<v Speaker 3>They are like... They're so fucking dumb every time. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>they're useless.

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<v Speaker 1>They're absolutely flipping out. They're like, you lost a Tesseract.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you manage this, Fury? Like, why don't we use

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<v Speaker 1>Phase 2? Phase 2, we will later find out, is

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<v Speaker 1>using the cube, using energy weapons that had been developed

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<v Speaker 1>by the cube.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And Fury's like, we don't need phase two. That's not ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do my Avengers initiative response team. These,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, very talented, but obviously chaotic individuals. They're weirdos.

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<v Speaker 1>They're isolated. But I think they're exactly what we need

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And the council's like, okay, try it. We

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<v Speaker 1>go to a boxing gym where Steve Rogers is having

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<v Speaker 1>a post-traumatic recollection of the war.

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<v Speaker 3>He's really going through it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's punching the heavy bag in the boxing gym and

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<v Speaker 1>he's thinking about Bucky.

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<v Speaker 3>He's thinking about Hydra.

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<v Speaker 1>He's thinking about everybody that died in World War II

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<v Speaker 1>right in his arms and he's thinking about all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Fury comes up after Steve punches the dozenth heavy

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<v Speaker 1>bag off the chain against the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got to let you know, he's very strong. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>he's very strong.

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<v Speaker 1>The intros are so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, actually, I will say, I do think... Because we're

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<v Speaker 3>doing this in order, right? We got to do X-Men

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<v Speaker 3>number one.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually didn't realize how heavily Joss kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pulled from the every character gets a little comic book,

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<v Speaker 2>like five minute intro.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you haven't met them, it works really well.

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<v Speaker 3>It works really well. I love the MCU.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about it, you know, from the beginning. from

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<v Speaker 2>2003 when Avi Arad first started talking about the Avengers

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<v Speaker 2>the pitch to Wall Street was always you gotta do

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<v Speaker 2>the team introduce them separately bring them together that's what

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<v Speaker 2>the MCU did so well but I have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there is a different world, a less

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<v Speaker 2>good world. I appreciate what they did with the first phase.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could also just have launched this movie. Nowadays,

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<v Speaker 2>even without the context, it works, right? It's very X-Men

0:20:03.190 --> 0:20:05.090
<v Speaker 2>in that way. The intros are so good.

0:20:05.609 --> 0:20:08.270
<v Speaker 1>It's very, very good. So Fury's like, I got a

0:20:08.290 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 1>mission for you. And it hands them the file and

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the Tesseract. And Steve's like, oh, yeah, that's the

0:20:13.020 --> 0:20:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Hydra thing. Fury's like, yeah, Howard Stark pulled it out

0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of the ocean while he was looking for you. And

0:20:18.580 --> 0:20:22.550
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Loki, who's basically a god, stole it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steve's like, wow, that's a fucking weird story. But

0:20:26.290 --> 0:20:29.609
<v Speaker 1>you know what? Nothing will surprise me anymore. And they

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<v Speaker 1>bet 10 bucks that the stuff that he will see

0:20:32.230 --> 0:20:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in the coming days will surprise him. And then. Fury

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is like, wow. So you just took the file. You

0:20:38.100 --> 0:20:40.100
<v Speaker 1>have no questions. We're going to go to the mission.

0:20:40.140 --> 0:20:41.639
<v Speaker 1>And Roger's like, well, the only thing I have to

0:20:41.700 --> 0:20:43.680
<v Speaker 1>say is you should have left the cube in the ocean,

0:20:43.700 --> 0:20:47.790
<v Speaker 1>which is true. Yes. We go to Manhattan. Tony Stark

0:20:47.830 --> 0:20:50.790
<v Speaker 1>is in his Iron Man Mark VI armor. He's underwater.

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<v Speaker 1>He is cutting off the Stark Tower from the electrical

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<v Speaker 1>grid because he's having Pepper back in the skyscraper fire

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<v Speaker 1>up his experimental arc clean energy reactor that will power

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<v Speaker 1>the building. on its own for like a year or more,

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<v Speaker 1>just on its own.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that those days where we used to think the

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<v Speaker 2>billionaires would make something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's the only good one.

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<v Speaker 3>The aspirational days. He's the only good, yeah.

0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.460
<v Speaker 1>He's the only good one. That's why it's like, you know,

0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.740
<v Speaker 1>like Stain and all the rest of them and Hammer.

0:21:20.820 --> 0:21:25.050
<v Speaker 1>They're all like evil. It's only Tony that's good. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Tony is very, very proud of himself as

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<v Speaker 1>he's flying back. He's like, I fucking did it. I'm

0:21:30.530 --> 0:21:32.970
<v Speaker 1>the fucking biggest name in clean energy. Like this is

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<v Speaker 1>so sick. He gets in there. He's looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>like a nice date night with Pepper Potts, who's wearing

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<v Speaker 1>these cute little cutoffs. And it looks like they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a casual billionaire's, you know, night at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Jarvis is calling. And Jarvis is like, Phil Coulson from S.H.I.E.L.D. is,

0:21:53.910 --> 0:21:56.210
<v Speaker 1>you know, Agent Coulson is downstairs. He wants to come up.

0:21:56.230 --> 0:21:58.689
<v Speaker 1>Tony's like, no, no, no, no. And they're chatting, he

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<v Speaker 1>and Pepper. And it's these wonderful character moments that this.

0:22:01.030 --> 0:22:02.250
<v Speaker 3>Movie is so good at. Yeah, you get a lot

0:22:02.290 --> 0:22:03.359
<v Speaker 3>of really cute.

0:22:04.670 --> 0:22:07.170
<v Speaker 2>Space with these two here, which again, when we talk

0:22:07.190 --> 0:22:09.350
<v Speaker 2>about why this is included, I think so much of

0:22:09.390 --> 0:22:13.790
<v Speaker 2>it are these character introductions and the relationships because those

0:22:14.130 --> 0:22:16.889
<v Speaker 2>go so far even to end game. The stuff that

0:22:16.950 --> 0:22:19.430
<v Speaker 2>is set up here is so played off in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that you really don't realize until you come back

0:22:21.270 --> 0:22:22.090
<v Speaker 2>and watch it.

0:22:22.369 --> 0:22:24.830
<v Speaker 1>It's great. And we get this moment where you realize

0:22:24.869 --> 0:22:31.409
<v Speaker 1>how important Pepper is to Tony's business and how she's

0:22:31.540 --> 0:22:36.180
<v Speaker 1>really leveraging that. Tony kind of like makes this crack

0:22:36.260 --> 0:22:40.540
<v Speaker 1>about her being 12% responsible for the upgrades to Stark Tower.

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<v Speaker 1>And she really is like letting him have it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Jarvis is like, hey, Coulson is here. And Stark

0:22:49.130 --> 0:22:50.890
<v Speaker 1>is like, wait, how the fuck did he get up here?

0:22:50.910 --> 0:22:53.050
<v Speaker 1>He used some sort of shield hacking stuff to get

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<v Speaker 1>up past Tony's security and And he comes up and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got this big laptop that's the Avengers Initiative basically

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:04.219
<v Speaker 1>pitch document. Yeah, he's got the deck. Yeah, he's got

0:23:04.260 --> 0:23:06.060
<v Speaker 1>the deck. And he's like, I don't want to look

0:23:06.100 --> 0:23:09.109
<v Speaker 1>at that shit. And Pepper's like, oh, Phil, what are

0:23:09.140 --> 0:23:09.370
<v Speaker 1>you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, my God, Phil. Yeah, because they had their little

0:23:11.650 --> 0:23:13.310
<v Speaker 3>adventures together. Yeah.

0:23:13.690 --> 0:23:16.210
<v Speaker 1>And Stark is like, how do you know him as Phil?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what the fuck?

0:23:17.130 --> 0:23:21.450
<v Speaker 1>And so, like, really it's Pepper who's like, Tony, Phil

0:23:21.510 --> 0:23:23.810
<v Speaker 1>is really shaken. I think you need to look at this. Yeah.

0:23:24.190 --> 0:23:25.930
<v Speaker 1>tony takes a quick look at it and it's all

0:23:25.950 --> 0:23:31.500
<v Speaker 1>like stills and quick clips from the various solo movies

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.360
<v Speaker 1>we see thor we see the hulk right norton hulk

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.150
<v Speaker 1>but still and like all this stuff and uh tony's

0:23:37.190 --> 0:23:41.290
<v Speaker 1>like oh shit so he signs on phil flies steve

0:23:41.330 --> 0:23:45.889
<v Speaker 1>to the helicarrier on a quinjet and is fanboying out.

0:23:46.210 --> 0:23:48.860
<v Speaker 1>He is a big, big fan of Captain America.

0:23:48.950 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 3>It's really cute. He's collecting the cards. He's growing up

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:54.490
<v Speaker 3>with him.

0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:01.820
<v Speaker 1>And it's here that Steve learns from Phil that the Hulk,

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Banner, who he's about to meet, Dr. Bruce Banner,

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.660
<v Speaker 1>and his whole situation is actually related to the Super

0:24:07.700 --> 0:24:11.109
<v Speaker 1>Soldier program, that people have been trying to recreate Super

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Soldier and what happened to Banner is... an accident that

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.340
<v Speaker 1>related to that. Coulson, again, is a huge fan. He

0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.220
<v Speaker 1>can barely control himself. He's making these awkward comments like,

0:24:21.780 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was watching you when you were asleep

0:24:23.940 --> 0:24:24.419
<v Speaker 1>on the ice.

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:30.230
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I helped redesign your costume. The character's like, okay, bro, like,

0:24:30.350 --> 0:24:31.950
<v Speaker 3>don't be weird. Yeah.

0:24:32.510 --> 0:24:34.990
<v Speaker 1>Loki's base, he's got some sort of base in the

0:24:35.090 --> 0:24:37.410
<v Speaker 1>sewers somewhere in the world. We have no idea where.

0:24:37.430 --> 0:24:40.770
<v Speaker 2>It's very like, it's very like the hand, like, kick

0:24:40.830 --> 0:24:41.450
<v Speaker 2>base or something.

0:24:41.470 --> 0:24:43.930
<v Speaker 3>He's like, sure, you set up under the sewers. Good job.

0:24:44.270 --> 0:24:46.870
<v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of mind control people running around there,

0:24:46.930 --> 0:24:49.649
<v Speaker 1>scientists and soldiers and other people that he's managed to

0:24:49.670 --> 0:24:51.790
<v Speaker 1>mind control in the intervening.

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:51.990
<v Speaker 3>Days, I guess.

0:24:52.710 --> 0:24:56.700
<v Speaker 1>Loki gets pulled into like an interdimensional Zoom room with

0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.659
<v Speaker 1>the other. And that was our cold open scene. The

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>other is basically, listen, we're, you know, we got the Chitauri.

0:25:02.020 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 1>They're ready to get going.

0:25:03.100 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 3>They're just chilling here, like ready for the fight.

0:25:05.660 --> 0:25:08.369
<v Speaker 1>They're chomping at the bit. Like, let's go. And Loki's like, listen,

0:25:09.150 --> 0:25:12.010
<v Speaker 1>we're going to get to it. Okay. But just like

0:25:12.490 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 1>tell them to be ready. But, like, I'm doing some

0:25:17.510 --> 0:25:20.990
<v Speaker 1>things here, and when I lead them in battle, assuming

0:25:21.150 --> 0:25:23.869
<v Speaker 1>that what you said was right about these guys knowing, like,

0:25:23.910 --> 0:25:26.270
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing, the battle should be short. So don't

0:25:26.290 --> 0:25:28.770
<v Speaker 1>worry about that. And then the other is like, well, listen,

0:25:29.270 --> 0:25:30.070
<v Speaker 1>don't fuck with us.

0:25:30.830 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're not, like, in fucking control here.

0:25:33.460 --> 0:25:36.900
<v Speaker 1>You're not in control. If you try anything, if you

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:41.100
<v Speaker 1>lose and survive, or if you win and steal the

0:25:41.140 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Tesseract and try and get away with it, we will...

0:25:44.260 --> 0:25:46.340
<v Speaker 1>Find you and Thanos will torture you and make it

0:25:46.380 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>really bad for you. Steve lands on the helicarrier, meets Natasha.

0:25:51.100 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>They make some small talk and sometime between this and

0:25:54.740 --> 0:25:56.100
<v Speaker 1>Winter Soldier, they start fucking.

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:56.700
<v Speaker 3>That's my theory.

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

0:25:57.460 --> 0:25:58.900
<v Speaker 3>No question.

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.420
<v Speaker 2>It's very clear by the time we get to Winter

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:03.700
<v Speaker 2>Soldier that they're fucking or have been fucking.

0:26:05.350 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>They make small talk about Colson's mint near mint Captain

0:26:11.580 --> 0:26:15.219
<v Speaker 1>America trading cards. He meets Steve meets banner. And then

0:26:15.260 --> 0:26:19.459
<v Speaker 1>to Tasha's like, Hey boys, buckle up, pull your panties

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 1>up and fucking tie your shoes on tight because something's

0:26:22.340 --> 0:26:22.859
<v Speaker 1>about to happen.

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 3>It's really fucking cool.

0:26:24.330 --> 0:26:28.810
<v Speaker 1>And then the helicarrier, which, you know, I really iconic

0:26:28.869 --> 0:26:29.869
<v Speaker 1>vehicle in the model.

0:26:29.950 --> 0:26:33.409
<v Speaker 2>It's essentially like a floating.

0:26:32.970 --> 0:26:35.550
<v Speaker 3>Base for shield. So it's fucking huge.

0:26:36.090 --> 0:26:38.050
<v Speaker 2>And I have to say, I had forgotten that that

0:26:38.090 --> 0:26:39.590
<v Speaker 2>was such a big set piece in this.

0:26:39.630 --> 0:26:41.030
<v Speaker 3>And the set piece is crazy.

0:26:42.190 --> 0:26:45.130
<v Speaker 1>It takes off and flies up into the air. And

0:26:45.410 --> 0:26:49.460
<v Speaker 1>it is really, really, really cool. And, you know, much

0:26:49.500 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>like in the comics, this thing will crash. They all crash.

0:26:52.340 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>They all crash.

0:26:53.740 --> 0:26:56.380
<v Speaker 2>They spend so much money on these things and they

0:26:56.420 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>crash every time.

0:26:57.619 --> 0:27:00.260
<v Speaker 1>All they do is crash. Steve then walks into the

0:27:00.300 --> 0:27:02.850
<v Speaker 1>conference room, pays Fury 10 bucks on the spot.

0:27:02.890 --> 0:27:03.670
<v Speaker 3>He's like, you're right.

0:27:04.450 --> 0:27:09.630
<v Speaker 1>And, um, We see this bridge, this really cool conference

0:27:09.670 --> 0:27:12.850
<v Speaker 1>room that's on the edge of the Helicarrier Bridge, and

0:27:12.869 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>we see all the S.H.I.E.L.D. guys and gals that are

0:27:15.859 --> 0:27:20.500
<v Speaker 1>working the controls. Maria Hill is there, and Hydra turncoat

0:27:20.540 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Jasper Sitwell is there.

0:27:22.020 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 3>Shocking!

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:28.389
<v Speaker 1>Hydra guy at the time. Coulson updates Banner on the Tesseract,

0:27:28.430 --> 0:27:32.340
<v Speaker 1>like where they are right now, and Banner's like, Science, science, science.

0:27:32.710 --> 0:27:36.300
<v Speaker 1>Get the global gamma radiation tracking system going. And he

0:27:36.340 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>basically tells them like how to do it. And he's like,

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.060
<v Speaker 1>we can, you know, I can get, I can get

0:27:40.100 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>an algorithm going pretty quick and we can narrow it

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>down pretty quickly where this thing is. Meanwhile, at the

0:27:45.260 --> 0:27:50.310
<v Speaker 1>Loki base, Selvig is like, it has this like religious

0:27:50.990 --> 0:27:53.389
<v Speaker 1>fervor almost in the way he's been.

0:27:53.450 --> 0:27:57.149
<v Speaker 3>He's so good at being brainwashed. Like he is a

0:27:57.230 --> 0:27:58.670
<v Speaker 3>true believer now.

0:27:59.170 --> 0:28:03.550
<v Speaker 1>He loves it. And he's telling Hawkeye, like, we need

0:28:03.590 --> 0:28:08.510
<v Speaker 1>some iridium to make the portals that.

0:28:08.390 --> 0:28:10.330
<v Speaker 3>The cube creates more stable.

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.500
<v Speaker 1>And the place where we know that there's enough iridium

0:28:14.540 --> 0:28:15.780
<v Speaker 1>for this is in Stuttgart.

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:16.419
<v Speaker 3>Of course.

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Asteroid, right? So, shield facial recognition hits on Loki in Stuttgart. Like, they're,

0:28:23.830 --> 0:28:26.850
<v Speaker 1>I guess, hacked into all the security cameras around the world.

0:28:26.910 --> 0:28:28.790
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a very brand new day. Very flawed.

0:28:28.890 --> 0:28:29.130
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:28:29.850 --> 0:28:34.390
<v Speaker 1>And so Loki is at this big Met Gala-type gathering there.

0:28:34.410 --> 0:28:36.149
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's a lot of music, a lot of

0:28:36.170 --> 0:28:38.750
<v Speaker 3>people in fancy costumes. Is it an opera? Is it

0:28:38.770 --> 0:28:40.370
<v Speaker 3>a charity ball? We don't know. We don't know. But

0:28:40.410 --> 0:28:41.770
<v Speaker 3>there's some kind of fancy event.

0:28:42.310 --> 0:28:46.300
<v Speaker 1>Fury sends Captain America in. Loki uses what looks like

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:50.940
<v Speaker 1>an egg beater to scan this man's eyeball, basically cutting

0:28:50.980 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>it out of his head, so that Barton, elsewhere by

0:28:53.460 --> 0:28:57.550
<v Speaker 1>the vault, the Iridium Vault, can use... the mate of

0:28:57.630 --> 0:29:00.610
<v Speaker 1>this eyeball scanner to scan the optic lock and open

0:29:00.650 --> 0:29:03.670
<v Speaker 1>the vault and get the iridium. Everybody who's watching Loki

0:29:03.690 --> 0:29:06.310
<v Speaker 1>do this is, like, flipping out. They start screaming. They

0:29:06.350 --> 0:29:08.270
<v Speaker 1>run out of the museum. And then Loki, like, does

0:29:08.310 --> 0:29:11.370
<v Speaker 1>that disappearing, reappearing thing. Reappears on the street where they're

0:29:11.390 --> 0:29:13.580
<v Speaker 1>all running out. And he's like... And he... Does this

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:14.180
<v Speaker 1>whole dictator thing.

0:29:14.220 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 3>He's like, kneel before me.

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:16.620
<v Speaker 1>Kneel.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:17.620
<v Speaker 3>I will be.

0:29:17.740 --> 0:29:20.020
<v Speaker 2>You'll be better off if you just follow me. You

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>won't have any choices to make.

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.180
<v Speaker 3>Blah, blah, blah. Is this not better?

0:29:24.510 --> 0:29:26.430
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then a guy, you know, one old German

0:29:26.450 --> 0:29:28.570
<v Speaker 2>guy stands up and he's like, I've said this before.

0:29:28.630 --> 0:29:30.550
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to do that. And Loki's like, look

0:29:30.570 --> 0:29:33.430
<v Speaker 3>to your elder and see what will happen. And he's

0:29:33.470 --> 0:29:34.469
<v Speaker 3>about to murder this guy.

0:29:34.510 --> 0:29:37.570
<v Speaker 2>He's about to murder an old man who is implied

0:29:37.610 --> 0:29:38.910
<v Speaker 2>to be a Holocaust survivor. And.

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 3>And then Cap just shows up and.

0:29:42.220 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Throws the fucking, throws the shield, saves the guy and

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>is like, well, you fucking remind me of Hitler and

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:48.570
<v Speaker 2>I hate you.

0:29:48.580 --> 0:29:49.620
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like, by the.

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.850
<v Speaker 1>Way, let me tell you something, Mr. Loki. I punched

0:29:52.900 --> 0:29:56.870
<v Speaker 1>Hitler hundreds of times and I fought him in Germany

0:29:56.890 --> 0:30:00.510
<v Speaker 1>and And you really remind me of him. So get,

0:30:00.530 --> 0:30:01.870
<v Speaker 1>but later you'll be a good guy.

0:30:02.090 --> 0:30:03.590
<v Speaker 3>And that's weird. You'll be a good guy.

0:30:03.650 --> 0:30:05.690
<v Speaker 2>It's really weird. And that's the same way they tried

0:30:05.710 --> 0:30:08.590
<v Speaker 2>to make Baron Zemo weird. It's weird, but it's also

0:30:08.610 --> 0:30:09.590
<v Speaker 2>part of American history.

0:30:10.090 --> 0:30:14.550
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Cap starts to, Cap fights Loki. Um, And is

0:30:14.730 --> 0:30:18.340
<v Speaker 1>gonna lose, it seems like, right? It's the typical Cap

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like, he's really there just to take

0:30:20.220 --> 0:30:21.380
<v Speaker 1>an extreme beating.

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 3>We love to see Cap take a beating. He's getting beats.

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 3>He's too good to really use his power properly.

0:30:28.260 --> 0:30:32.580
<v Speaker 2>And then in the moment, you get, again, character relationships, guys.

0:30:32.980 --> 0:30:35.930
<v Speaker 2>I really feel like this is all about the moments

0:30:35.970 --> 0:30:38.370
<v Speaker 2>where these characters meet and how it sets up the

0:30:38.430 --> 0:30:39.510
<v Speaker 2>rest of their relationship.

0:30:39.810 --> 0:30:42.850
<v Speaker 3>Because Tony comes and staves Steve's ass, right?

0:30:43.210 --> 0:30:47.110
<v Speaker 2>And this is the banter, the beating, the I'm better

0:30:47.130 --> 0:30:49.930
<v Speaker 2>than you, the disagreements that will lead to things like

0:30:49.990 --> 0:30:50.590
<v Speaker 2>civil war.

0:30:50.650 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, they lead to the fucking Accords.

0:30:52.630 --> 0:30:54.540
<v Speaker 2>Like it's so well established.

0:30:55.220 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>So Cap, Tony and Natasha are on the Quinjet. They're

0:30:57.660 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>flying Loki back to the carrier. Steve is a little suspicious.

0:31:02.220 --> 0:31:04.430
<v Speaker 1>Like this was kind of easy, right? He's like, do

0:31:04.450 --> 0:31:07.530
<v Speaker 1>you remember being that easy? Yeah, not that it was easy.

0:31:07.590 --> 0:31:09.780
<v Speaker 1>I was getting my ass beat, but also, like, he seems.

0:31:09.820 --> 0:31:10.740
<v Speaker 3>He did just give up.

0:31:11.260 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>He seems like he really wants to go there. Tony

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 1>is busting Cap's balls about him being, like, 98 years

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>old and all this stuff.

0:31:20.260 --> 0:31:22.420
<v Speaker 3>This is why I'm saying Tony's doing too many bits.

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:27.050
<v Speaker 2>Like, he's establishing too much resentment here already.

0:31:28.250 --> 0:31:31.330
<v Speaker 1>And then a storm hits, right? Big, big lightning, big thunder.

0:31:31.510 --> 0:31:32.630
<v Speaker 1>Loki knows what that means.

0:31:32.950 --> 0:31:34.170
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I don't like this.

0:31:34.570 --> 0:31:34.950
<v Speaker 1>I don't like this.

0:31:35.010 --> 0:31:35.270
<v Speaker 2>Thor.

0:31:36.630 --> 0:31:40.370
<v Speaker 1>Pops into the Quinjet, hits Tony in the chest with

0:31:40.410 --> 0:31:43.010
<v Speaker 1>his hammer, and then flies off with Loki. Tony is, like,

0:31:43.050 --> 0:31:44.729
<v Speaker 1>going to go after him. And Cap's like, wait, hold on.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:46.190
<v Speaker 1>We got to figure out what we're doing. We need

0:31:46.230 --> 0:31:49.430
<v Speaker 1>a plan. We need a plan of attack. And Tony's like,

0:31:49.620 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I have a plan. Attack.

0:31:50.980 --> 0:31:52.180
<v Speaker 3>And he's just.

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Cap is like, where's the parachute in this thing? He's

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.860
<v Speaker 1>strapping on the parachute. And Natasha's like, Cap, I don't know.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:03.190
<v Speaker 1>These guys are all. They're gods. They're gods. the Iron

0:32:03.210 --> 0:32:05.330
<v Speaker 1>Man suit is much stronger than you. Like, you can't

0:32:05.410 --> 0:32:07.310
<v Speaker 1>do this. And he's like, there's only one God, ma'am,

0:32:07.350 --> 0:32:09.340
<v Speaker 1>and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that. Whatever

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that boomer cap.

0:32:10.060 --> 0:32:13.700
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I know. Crazy boomer thing to say first

0:32:14.020 --> 0:32:14.350
<v Speaker 3>of all.

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.980
<v Speaker 2>Like, what are you even talking about, Captain America Christian?

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.180
<v Speaker 1>Cap was so much more of a boomer in the

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>first two movies.

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was. It's really funny. By the time he

0:32:24.380 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>meets Sam Wilson, he's like, he gets cool. He's cooler.

0:32:27.260 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 3>He's cooler.

0:32:28.740 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>So then he dives out of the Quinjet and.

0:32:32.300 --> 0:32:33.340
<v Speaker 1>And Tasha's like, oh, fuck.

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.270
<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, fuck, I'm going to have sex with

0:32:35.290 --> 0:32:37.510
<v Speaker 2>this guy. Like, he can just survive jumping out of

0:32:37.550 --> 0:32:37.890
<v Speaker 2>a plane.

0:32:38.470 --> 0:32:40.490
<v Speaker 1>Thor and Loki kind of land, and they have a

0:32:40.550 --> 0:32:43.250
<v Speaker 1>moment to themselves where this is a wonderful, again, this

0:32:43.310 --> 0:32:44.110
<v Speaker 1>wonderful introductory moment.

0:32:44.130 --> 0:32:45.550
<v Speaker 3>In the forest, yeah, it's so good.

0:32:46.430 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Introductory moment to not just Thor, but their relationship together,

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.969
<v Speaker 1>and it's... This is really well done because Thor is

0:32:53.250 --> 0:32:56.479
<v Speaker 1>so mad at Loki, but also he loves him and

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>wants him to just come to his senses.

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Just fucking come home and stop being annoying. This is

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.959
<v Speaker 2>irrelevant to us. You can fucking be forgiven. You're just

0:33:06.020 --> 0:33:07.500
<v Speaker 2>doing this to fucking show off.

0:33:07.940 --> 0:33:11.510
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, stop it. But before they can get too far

0:33:11.530 --> 0:33:14.730
<v Speaker 1>with it, Iron Man comes and then Iron Man and

0:33:14.810 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Thor have this great, great fight. that goes like, you know,

0:33:19.340 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>back and forth, back and forth.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.380
<v Speaker 3>Exactly how it would be in the comics.

0:33:22.660 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes. But before it can really go too far, Steve

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>shows up and pings his little shield off of them.

0:33:28.940 --> 0:33:31.820
<v Speaker 1>He's like, hey, guys, cut it out, you two.

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Cut it out.

0:33:32.420 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Cut it out.

0:33:33.060 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Whippersnappers.

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 1>And then he goes, you know, hey, and you put

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.550
<v Speaker 1>that hammer down. And Thor gets, oh, you want me

0:33:40.570 --> 0:33:43.890
<v Speaker 1>to put it down? And goes bing bong on Cap's shield.

0:33:44.290 --> 0:33:48.459
<v Speaker 1>The energy released from this, like, levels the surrounding forest.

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.340
<v Speaker 3>The fucking surrounding forest, yeah. No joke.

0:33:50.700 --> 0:33:52.719
<v Speaker 1>And so everybody's like, okay, maybe we should chill out.

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.340
<v Speaker 1>Back on the helicarrier, they're leading Loki in, in this

0:33:56.500 --> 0:33:59.940
<v Speaker 1>almost like Hannibal Lecter-type parade into the base.

0:33:59.960 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>It's so over the top, but I love it.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:07.490
<v Speaker 1>And it is now pretty suspicious that Loki seems so happy.

0:34:07.570 --> 0:34:10.270
<v Speaker 2>He is so happy to be on the helicarrier, guys. Like,

0:34:10.310 --> 0:34:12.350
<v Speaker 2>this is obviously part of his plan.

0:34:12.390 --> 0:34:12.710
<v Speaker 3>Come on.

0:34:13.050 --> 0:34:15.509
<v Speaker 2>But then again, again, something this movie does that is

0:34:15.550 --> 0:34:18.169
<v Speaker 2>really good and it is that Joss Whedon quippy ass

0:34:18.250 --> 0:34:21.750
<v Speaker 2>banter shit is like they're so fucking caught up in

0:34:21.810 --> 0:34:25.009
<v Speaker 2>their own egos in meeting other people who are like

0:34:25.170 --> 0:34:27.490
<v Speaker 2>superheroes like them who are trying to find their way

0:34:27.530 --> 0:34:29.580
<v Speaker 2>in this kind of new world.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.259
<v Speaker 3>Some of whom have been around for 100 years.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.299
<v Speaker 2>Some have had superpowers for, you know, a suit for

0:34:33.340 --> 0:34:34.660
<v Speaker 2>five years like Tony Stark.

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:36.479
<v Speaker 3>They miss it, right?

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 2>And that it fucking feels believable because you sometimes do

0:34:39.940 --> 0:34:41.540
<v Speaker 2>miss things when you're a little bit caught up in

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 2>your friend drama. And they do miss the fact that

0:34:44.100 --> 0:34:46.460
<v Speaker 2>this man is happy even though he's like imprisoned.

0:34:47.620 --> 0:34:50.930
<v Speaker 1>So Fury goes to see Loki. He's put him in

0:34:50.989 --> 0:34:54.950
<v Speaker 1>this little kind of like plastic and this glass and

0:34:54.989 --> 0:34:58.770
<v Speaker 1>metal prisons that is designed for the Hulk and basically

0:34:58.830 --> 0:35:01.750
<v Speaker 1>tells him like, if you try anything, if you touch

0:35:01.770 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the glass, This prison will get dropped from the helicarrier

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:09.430
<v Speaker 1>30,000 feet straight down. And yes, you're a god, but

0:35:09.469 --> 0:35:13.950
<v Speaker 1>I bet you don't survive that. Loki is teasing, trolling.

0:35:14.070 --> 0:35:17.130
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, yeah. And he makes this little speech

0:35:17.230 --> 0:35:20.009
<v Speaker 1>where he drops this line about a warm light for

0:35:20.050 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>all mankind, which Tony and Banner will later figure out.

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Fury is not at all impressed. He's like, let me

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>know if the... if you want a magazine or something.

0:35:32.380 --> 0:35:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like room service or whatever.

0:35:34.860 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Thor then basically tells the heroes what, you know, what

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 1>he knows that Loki's up to, that he has a

0:35:41.540 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>space army called the Chitauri. They're backing him up. And

0:35:44.500 --> 0:35:48.029
<v Speaker 1>that whoever provided the army for Loki wants the Tesseract

0:35:48.070 --> 0:35:51.989
<v Speaker 1>in exchange. And that Loki will use the cube to

0:35:52.110 --> 0:35:54.950
<v Speaker 1>open a portal to get his army to Earth. So

0:35:55.010 --> 0:35:58.180
<v Speaker 1>Tony is like, well, That means that's what the Iridium's

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>for because of the portal stability, all this stuff. And

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>he's doing this whole Tony Stark, you know, raise the

0:36:04.980 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>mizzenmast and his little things. And meanwhile, he's putting a

0:36:07.340 --> 0:36:11.470
<v Speaker 1>little bug on the shield systems. Tony and Banner immediately

0:36:11.530 --> 0:36:11.779
<v Speaker 1>hit it.

0:36:11.780 --> 0:36:13.989
<v Speaker 3>Off, Science Bros. Yeah, they love that shit.

0:36:14.489 --> 0:36:17.110
<v Speaker 1>They love each other. Tony's like, I love everything.

0:36:17.150 --> 0:36:17.390
<v Speaker 3>Dr.

0:36:17.430 --> 0:36:18.810
<v Speaker 1>Banner, I think you're a genius. I love all the

0:36:18.850 --> 0:36:20.569
<v Speaker 1>work you've done on Gamma Ray Nation. And I love

0:36:20.590 --> 0:36:22.790
<v Speaker 1>the way you Hulk out. Like, I love that too.

0:36:23.690 --> 0:36:27.340
<v Speaker 1>Fury insists... It's like, listen, Banner is not here to

0:36:27.380 --> 0:36:29.870
<v Speaker 1>Hulk out. No Hulk smash. Just bring him.

0:36:30.290 --> 0:36:32.810
<v Speaker 2>Which is so funny because there's just no way the

0:36:32.850 --> 0:36:36.310
<v Speaker 2>military wouldn't want him to Hulk smash. But I love

0:36:36.330 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>how actually this also establishes Fury very early on as

0:36:43.260 --> 0:36:45.180
<v Speaker 2>the hand that is keeping S.H.I.E.L.D.

0:36:45.260 --> 0:36:46.220
<v Speaker 3>From being insane.

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:48.700
<v Speaker 2>Like he is the one holding them back at any

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.690
<v Speaker 2>time from doing insane plans that you will hear about later.

0:36:51.989 --> 0:36:54.710
<v Speaker 2>He is in control of the world security council and shield.

0:36:54.790 --> 0:36:58.009
<v Speaker 2>And he's got like six fucking weirdos in between them

0:36:58.050 --> 0:36:59.950
<v Speaker 2>and just nuking any problem they have.

0:37:00.530 --> 0:37:03.219
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely. And the other thing I loved about this movie,

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.860
<v Speaker 1>and then I realized at the time, but you know,

0:37:05.900 --> 0:37:08.779
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like getting back in touch with it. It's,

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.219
<v Speaker 1>It's really well done. The emotional through line of the

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>movie really is Banner. It's Banner that provides the catharsis

0:37:17.219 --> 0:37:20.140
<v Speaker 1>and the impetus for the Avengers to like get together.

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.380
<v Speaker 1>And the whole time we're setting it up, like Banner

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>is not going to transform. Banner is, we don't want

0:37:26.219 --> 0:37:27.210
<v Speaker 1>him to transform.

0:37:27.270 --> 0:37:28.170
<v Speaker 3>It's too scary.

0:37:28.530 --> 0:37:30.570
<v Speaker 1>It's too scary. We just want him to be a brain.

0:37:30.610 --> 0:37:31.150
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:37:31.250 --> 0:37:35.410
<v Speaker 1>No transform. We promise, we promise, we promise. Meanwhile, In

0:37:35.450 --> 0:37:39.930
<v Speaker 1>the lab, Tony and Bruce are really like, they're hitting

0:37:39.950 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 1>it off. They're like on their little tablets and their

0:37:42.860 --> 0:37:45.420
<v Speaker 1>little screens and throwing little windows back and forth to

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:45.900
<v Speaker 1>each other.

0:37:45.980 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>And Tony's like zapping him and shit to try and

0:37:48.660 --> 0:37:49.300
<v Speaker 2>get him to.

0:37:49.180 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 3>Like Hulk out a bit.

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.780
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like, he zaps him and then he like stabs.

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.060
<v Speaker 1>looks in his eyes to see if there's any green

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff in his eyes, just as Cap comes in. And

0:37:57.540 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Cap is like, hey, you whippersnapper, cut it out, you two.

0:38:00.700 --> 0:38:02.969
<v Speaker 3>Stop having fun. Yeah, Mr.

0:38:03.110 --> 0:38:08.250
<v Speaker 1>Boober Cap. They then let Cap in on their suspicions that, like,

0:38:08.489 --> 0:38:09.089
<v Speaker 1>Fury's lying.

0:38:09.489 --> 0:38:12.490
<v Speaker 3>There's something he's not telling the truth about. Cap's like, what?

0:38:12.630 --> 0:38:13.150
<v Speaker 3>He's lying?

0:38:13.210 --> 0:38:15.739
<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, yeah. I was like, think about it. Like,

0:38:16.219 --> 0:38:18.899
<v Speaker 1>they were doing experiments on the Tesseract for, they say,

0:38:19.060 --> 0:38:23.300
<v Speaker 1>energy research. I am the number one energy, clean energy,

0:38:23.380 --> 0:38:29.390
<v Speaker 1>experimental energy, private sector researcher around. Why did they not

0:38:29.790 --> 0:38:32.069
<v Speaker 1>call me? There's something they want to hide from me.

0:38:32.130 --> 0:38:36.009
<v Speaker 2>There's gamma radiation. Why didn't they call Banner earlier as well?

0:38:36.170 --> 0:38:37.310
<v Speaker 2>So it stinks.

0:38:37.410 --> 0:38:39.570
<v Speaker 3>It's smelly. There's something going on in Denver.

0:38:40.070 --> 0:38:45.830
<v Speaker 1>It's not good. And Tony's like, well, you know what?

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.460
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to figure out what it is soon. As

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 1>soon as my like hacking algorithm is done hacking the

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.660
<v Speaker 1>shield mainframe, which Cap is like, what are you doing?

0:38:55.820 --> 0:38:57.590
<v Speaker 1>Which by the way, how does Steve.

0:38:57.370 --> 0:38:59.009
<v Speaker 3>Know what that is? He doesn't know what hacking is.

0:38:59.410 --> 0:39:04.069
<v Speaker 2>He just knows that he's breaking the rules. This is actually, ironically,

0:39:04.150 --> 0:39:07.170
<v Speaker 2>Boomer Cap is like such a part of his journey

0:39:07.489 --> 0:39:10.770
<v Speaker 2>because when he meets Tony, he starts to question authority.

0:39:10.890 --> 0:39:15.540
<v Speaker 2>And ironically- That leads to the behaviors in Civil War

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>that put them against each other, even though he is

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.980
<v Speaker 2>actually acting way more like Tony is in this movie,

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of really fun.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.969
<v Speaker 3>It's this oil water relationship that just.

0:39:25.530 --> 0:39:30.739
<v Speaker 2>Is really very intriguing to build a relationship. to build

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.800
<v Speaker 2>a movie franchise on two guys arguing all the time

0:39:33.980 --> 0:39:37.140
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of crazy but it fucking works and you

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:41.030
<v Speaker 2>know honestly like if they get the X-Men right that

0:39:41.070 --> 0:39:43.859
<v Speaker 2>you know Logan and Scott like Scott and Aurora, like

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that is the same.

0:39:45.380 --> 0:39:45.860
<v Speaker 1>Kind of vibe.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:47.700
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you've got to have those conflicts.

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 2>And remember, guys, a lot of the stuff they're building

0:39:49.739 --> 0:39:52.900
<v Speaker 2>on here is taking stuff from stuff like the X-Men,

0:39:52.980 --> 0:39:56.589
<v Speaker 2>the family aspects, because they couldn't make movies with them

0:39:56.620 --> 0:39:59.290
<v Speaker 2>back then. So they were building all of those elements

0:39:59.510 --> 0:40:02.010
<v Speaker 2>in and also introduces people to the characters.

0:40:02.570 --> 0:40:08.029
<v Speaker 1>So Cap is definitely, he's shaken by both of these

0:40:08.090 --> 0:40:11.489
<v Speaker 1>two very smart people telling him like something's rotten. So

0:40:11.530 --> 0:40:14.730
<v Speaker 1>he goes off to like snoop. Meanwhile, still in the lab,

0:40:14.790 --> 0:40:18.300
<v Speaker 1>Tony is like, listen, Bruce, when the shit goes down

0:40:18.340 --> 0:40:20.620
<v Speaker 1>and I'm suited up like Iron Man and Captain America's

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>in his little underpants and we're running around and we're

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 1>fighting the aliens and Loki, I want you to be

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 1>there as the Hulk. We need you. We need you

0:40:28.820 --> 0:40:31.130
<v Speaker 1>as the Hulk. And Bruce is like, it's not the

0:40:31.170 --> 0:40:33.310
<v Speaker 1>same for me. I don't have control. I'm like a

0:40:33.370 --> 0:40:36.590
<v Speaker 1>raw nerve. It's not good. I don't like it. I

0:40:36.610 --> 0:40:38.650
<v Speaker 1>don't want to do it. And you can tell he's

0:40:38.790 --> 0:40:43.430
<v Speaker 1>very terrified of losing control. Meanwhile... Natasha goes down to

0:40:43.469 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Loki's cell. It seems like the cover story is to

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>like find out what's going on with Clint Barton.

0:40:50.420 --> 0:40:50.540
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.280
<v Speaker 1>And Loki.

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:52.180
<v Speaker 3>That's the biggest thing.

0:40:52.700 --> 0:40:57.020
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Loki goes full, like, evil Hannibal Lecter. He's like,

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.660
<v Speaker 1>I know what a bad person you are. You're a murderer.

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:04.830
<v Speaker 1>You're evil. Everyone hates you. Your ledger is drenched in blood.

0:41:04.910 --> 0:41:08.350
<v Speaker 1>If everybody knew what you've done, they'd fucking hate you.

0:41:08.489 --> 0:41:10.810
<v Speaker 1>And Barton, I'm going to have him kill you. I'm

0:41:10.830 --> 0:41:12.189
<v Speaker 1>going to have him smash your skull.

0:41:12.210 --> 0:41:12.989
<v Speaker 3>Crazy thing to say.

0:41:13.270 --> 0:41:15.650
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be disgusting, you mule and quim.

0:41:16.650 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Crazy thing to say! Crazy thing to say.

0:41:19.190 --> 0:41:19.850
<v Speaker 2>Truly.

0:41:19.969 --> 0:41:23.469
<v Speaker 1>And then, you know... Natasha seems really shaken. She's like,

0:41:23.489 --> 0:41:27.009
<v Speaker 1>you're a monster. And he says something like, you brought

0:41:27.050 --> 0:41:30.989
<v Speaker 1>the monster on the ship. And that's exactly what she

0:41:31.050 --> 0:41:33.610
<v Speaker 1>was fishing for. She's like, I got it. She radios

0:41:33.670 --> 0:41:35.450
<v Speaker 1>into Fury. She's like, I got it. I know what

0:41:35.489 --> 0:41:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Loki is planning. His plan is to release the Hulk.

0:41:39.380 --> 0:41:41.859
<v Speaker 1>And Loki's like, what have I been outsmarted? And she

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:46.020
<v Speaker 1>goes off. At the same time, Cap has just discovered

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:51.430
<v Speaker 1>deep in the shield, the helicarrier cargo bay's that they

0:41:51.450 --> 0:41:54.270
<v Speaker 1>have crates of all that old hydrotech, you know, like

0:41:54.739 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 1>the helmets and the pauldrons and the guns of the

0:41:57.860 --> 0:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>guys that shot Bucky and blew Bucky off the train

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.140
<v Speaker 1>into the ravine. Why do they have this shit? So

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.180
<v Speaker 1>all the parties meet back up in the lab and

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:12.110
<v Speaker 1>a big argument pops off. It's Fury, it's Maria, it's Natasha, Cap, Tony, Thor,

0:42:12.150 --> 0:42:16.990
<v Speaker 1>and Bruce. And Fury is confronted about with the results

0:42:17.070 --> 0:42:19.610
<v Speaker 1>of Tony's hacking where he's like, hey, can I ask

0:42:19.630 --> 0:42:20.009
<v Speaker 1>you a question?

0:42:20.030 --> 0:42:20.510
<v Speaker 3>Why is S.H.I.E.L.D.

0:42:20.530 --> 0:42:23.790
<v Speaker 1>Building energy weapons using the Tesseract? And Fury's like, well,

0:42:23.950 --> 0:42:26.450
<v Speaker 1>it's Thor's fault because Thor came to Earth and all

0:42:26.469 --> 0:42:26.790
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden we.

0:42:26.770 --> 0:42:30.069
<v Speaker 3>Realized- With the fucking destroyer and then everyone, yeah.

0:42:30.340 --> 0:42:31.880
<v Speaker 1>And all of a sudden we realized we never, like

0:42:31.940 --> 0:42:34.060
<v Speaker 1>our bullets just bounce off and we needed to do something.

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>What do you expect? Then Cap and Tony are having

0:42:36.219 --> 0:42:40.149
<v Speaker 1>this dick measuring contest where- Tony's like, listen, you know,

0:42:40.910 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm a fucking genius, philanthropic billionaire playboy. You're like an

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:50.509
<v Speaker 1>old man on steroids. Like everything good about you came

0:42:50.530 --> 0:42:52.509
<v Speaker 1>out of a bottle. Let's fight. And then Caps like

0:42:52.550 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>put the suit on. Let's go. Meanwhile, Natasha is like, Bruce,

0:42:56.620 --> 0:42:57.779
<v Speaker 1>can we just get you out of here?

0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it feels like the vibes are weird.

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.490
<v Speaker 1>It's getting very aggravated in here. We don't need your

0:43:02.550 --> 0:43:05.350
<v Speaker 1>blood pressure going up and the whole thing. And like

0:43:05.430 --> 0:43:08.450
<v Speaker 1>Bruce goes on a tirade and is like, you know,

0:43:08.850 --> 0:43:13.130
<v Speaker 1>this was a mistake and we're chaotic elements. We're a

0:43:13.210 --> 0:43:15.549
<v Speaker 1>time bomb. And everybody looks and all of a sudden

0:43:15.570 --> 0:43:16.490
<v Speaker 1>he's holding the scepter.

0:43:16.550 --> 0:43:17.149
<v Speaker 3>How'd that happen?

0:43:17.170 --> 0:43:20.860
<v Speaker 1>We realize as the audience that the scepter, the mind

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>stone is amping up everyone's aggression.

0:43:23.460 --> 0:43:25.310
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Really good fight.

0:43:25.969 --> 0:43:28.930
<v Speaker 1>As that's happening, Mind Control Barton and a bunch of

0:43:28.969 --> 0:43:34.660
<v Speaker 1>Mind Control S.H.I.E.L.D. people begin their assault on the Helicarrier.

0:43:34.700 --> 0:43:37.779
<v Speaker 1>There's a big explosion in the lab, and it sends

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:42.549
<v Speaker 1>Bruce and Natasha falling into the superstructure. She's like, oh shit, Bruce,

0:43:42.590 --> 0:43:43.049
<v Speaker 1>calm down.

0:43:43.340 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 3>You good?

0:43:43.930 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Like, chill.

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 3>She's trying to do it.

0:43:47.219 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>And you get the horror movie shit where he's like

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 2>running through the place.

0:43:50.580 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>It's so good.

0:43:51.060 --> 0:43:52.380
<v Speaker 3>Really good, really good stuff.

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Really scary. He's like wrecking the place. He nearly kills Natasha,

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.739
<v Speaker 1>but Thor has to like intervene. Loki, meanwhile, is in

0:43:59.780 --> 0:44:01.740
<v Speaker 1>his cell. He can hear all the shit happening.

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.620
<v Speaker 3>He's just loving it. He's loving it. Mischief, master of mischief.

0:44:05.530 --> 0:44:09.270
<v Speaker 1>The carrier is getting torn apart from the inside because

0:44:09.330 --> 0:44:14.210
<v Speaker 1>of Thor and Hulk's fight. Meanwhile, one of the rotors.

0:44:14.830 --> 0:44:16.669
<v Speaker 3>Has been destroyed. Yeah, the rotary engines is, like, fucked.

0:44:17.219 --> 0:44:19.660
<v Speaker 1>So Tony and Cap have this side quest to like

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>fix it or the telecarrier crashes.

0:44:22.060 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Yay!

0:44:23.100 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Hill lures Hulk off the telecarrier by having one of

0:44:26.620 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>their jets shoot at him and.

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:28.410
<v Speaker 2>He leaps off.

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he kind of leaps off to catch it.

0:44:31.260 --> 0:44:33.859
<v Speaker 2>I also love the moment which we get next, which

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.140
<v Speaker 2>is like the Thor and Loki moment with the illusion.

0:44:37.340 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Thor. So Thor goes to Loki's cell and... he

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 1>sees the door open. And so he, and Loki's about

0:44:44.660 --> 0:44:46.270
<v Speaker 1>to come out of the door of the cell. So

0:44:46.550 --> 0:44:48.750
<v Speaker 1>Thor dives in, but that was an illusion. Now Thor's

0:44:48.770 --> 0:44:51.170
<v Speaker 1>trapped in the cell and Loki's out there and he's like,

0:44:51.210 --> 0:44:53.370
<v Speaker 1>ha ha ha big brother. You're so fucking stupid.

0:44:53.690 --> 0:44:55.070
<v Speaker 3>How do you still fall for this shit?

0:44:55.250 --> 0:44:57.029
<v Speaker 1>How do you fall for this shit? After all these years,

0:44:57.050 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 1>we've been doing this since we were kids. Then Coulson

0:44:58.700 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>shows up with a big destroyer, like a gun that

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>was designed off the destroyer. And he's like, I don't

0:45:05.500 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>even know what this does. Like you better fucking back

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 1>away from the control panel. And then, But it was

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:13.779
<v Speaker 1>another illusion of Loki's. And Loki stabs Coulson straight through

0:45:13.820 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the chest. And Thor's like, oh, no.

0:45:17.060 --> 0:45:17.700
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my God.

0:45:18.530 --> 0:45:21.170
<v Speaker 1>And Loki goes to the control panel and kind of

0:45:21.230 --> 0:45:23.930
<v Speaker 1>like weird with this weird kind of like apologetic kind

0:45:23.950 --> 0:45:24.170
<v Speaker 1>of shrug.

0:45:24.190 --> 0:45:25.009
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, sorry.

0:45:25.590 --> 0:45:27.970
<v Speaker 1>Drops his brother the 30,000 feet to the ground.

0:45:28.010 --> 0:45:28.370
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my gosh.

0:45:30.500 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 2>How they never made that into a ride is crazy

0:45:32.860 --> 0:45:33.100
<v Speaker 2>to me.

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 3>That should have been the Quinjet ride. Like you just

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:36.850
<v Speaker 3>get dropped, right?

0:45:36.890 --> 0:45:39.250
<v Speaker 2>You're on the battle and at the end you just

0:45:39.290 --> 0:45:40.150
<v Speaker 2>get dropped out.

0:45:40.930 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Natasha then concusses Barton in the fight and we were

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.410
<v Speaker 1>later to learn that the antidote to the mind stone

0:45:47.450 --> 0:45:49.550
<v Speaker 1>is just a hard hit to the head.

0:45:49.310 --> 0:45:51.910
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was so funny when I was rewatching

0:45:51.989 --> 0:45:53.950
<v Speaker 2>it I wrote so much I was like this is

0:45:54.050 --> 0:45:56.770
<v Speaker 2>so funny because she tries to like you know obviously

0:45:56.830 --> 0:45:59.870
<v Speaker 2>again this was another note I made establishing a relationship

0:45:59.910 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>here that is so key to everything that happens up

0:46:02.540 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 2>to end game and onwards but it's so funny that

0:46:05.420 --> 0:46:07.719
<v Speaker 2>they're basically just like yeah give someone a concussion and

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:10.140
<v Speaker 2>they're freed just bonk them on the head like just

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 2>go around bonking everyone like it's so funny.

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So in the end of all of this, the carrier

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:19.050
<v Speaker 1>is saved, but it's heavily damaged. It remains airborne. Coulson

0:46:19.110 --> 0:46:22.950
<v Speaker 1>dies in Fury's arms. Thor is somewhere like in a

0:46:23.050 --> 0:46:26.009
<v Speaker 1>field somewhere. And Banner is just, we don't know, flat

0:46:26.050 --> 0:46:28.969
<v Speaker 1>out gone. And Loki has escaped with the shield mind

0:46:28.989 --> 0:46:33.210
<v Speaker 1>control guys with the scepter. And the Avengers, before they

0:46:33.230 --> 0:46:35.850
<v Speaker 1>can even get together as a team, are scattered and

0:46:35.890 --> 0:46:40.630
<v Speaker 1>basically neutral. Fury then has a meeting with Cap and Tony,

0:46:40.650 --> 0:46:44.129
<v Speaker 1>who he's immediately identified as the leaders. Like, we don't

0:46:44.150 --> 0:46:46.290
<v Speaker 1>need the other guys. Yeah. I just got to talk

0:46:46.310 --> 0:46:50.390
<v Speaker 1>to Cap and Tony. And he throws Coulson's bloodstained trading

0:46:50.469 --> 0:46:52.589
<v Speaker 1>cards across the table. And he's like, well, I guess

0:46:52.650 --> 0:46:54.180
<v Speaker 1>I was wrong about you fucking pussies.

0:46:54.450 --> 0:46:57.779
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess this man who fucking loves you, he died.

0:46:57.800 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, what the fuck, eh?

0:46:59.020 --> 0:47:02.009
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I guess Coulson, who believed in you, was fucking wrong.

0:47:02.130 --> 0:47:03.430
<v Speaker 1>And you guys can't do shit.

0:47:03.750 --> 0:47:05.350
<v Speaker 3>Emotional manipulation. We love it.

0:47:05.350 --> 0:47:07.930
<v Speaker 1>Totally. Cap and Tony then go off to have, like,

0:47:07.969 --> 0:47:11.570
<v Speaker 1>a sidebar. And Cap's like, what? Oh, Tony, first time

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.460
<v Speaker 1>losing a soldier? And Tony's like, we're not in a war, guy.

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 1>This is not a war. You don't know shit. And

0:47:17.340 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>then they have this, like, whole argument about war and

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 1>what it means. And then through this, Tony, it hits

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:25.580
<v Speaker 1>him like a lightning bolt.

0:47:26.340 --> 0:47:26.509
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay.

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.250
<v Speaker 1>Loki is going to open the portal on top of

0:47:30.350 --> 0:47:31.190
<v Speaker 1>my building.

0:47:31.370 --> 0:47:34.370
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to like fucking show off. Because he's got a

0:47:34.390 --> 0:47:35.110
<v Speaker 3>big ego.

0:47:35.270 --> 0:47:37.610
<v Speaker 1>He's got a big ego. That's what he's talking about.

0:47:37.710 --> 0:47:41.930
<v Speaker 1>So now Captain Tasha and Barton, who's fine now, they

0:47:41.969 --> 0:47:44.900
<v Speaker 1>don't even, they just take Natasha's word for it. They're

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:45.500
<v Speaker 1>just like, he's okay.

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.260
<v Speaker 3>I bumped him on the head. He's okay.

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:52.719
<v Speaker 1>He's good now. They commandeer Quinjet. Tony flies off in

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.779
<v Speaker 1>his janky, like half-destroyed armor on his own. And this

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:59.690
<v Speaker 1>is all just as Fury planned. He'll go to Fury

0:47:59.730 --> 0:48:02.230
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, can I say something to you? Like,

0:48:02.290 --> 0:48:04.430
<v Speaker 1>Coulson wasn't even carrying his cards. Like, what are you

0:48:04.450 --> 0:48:06.850
<v Speaker 1>talking about? Why are they covered in blood? And Fury's like,

0:48:06.870 --> 0:48:08.670
<v Speaker 1>they just need a little push. We just need to

0:48:08.710 --> 0:48:11.830
<v Speaker 1>get them going. And I will say that one thing

0:48:11.910 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel watching this movie, and maybe the Yelena thing

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.980
<v Speaker 1>will work, we really miss that. We miss Fury.

0:48:18.300 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 3>We miss him so much. We miss him. It's so.

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 2>nice to see how much he cares about them too. Interestingly,

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>like he's actually very benevolent as the role that he plays.

0:48:31.739 --> 0:48:33.850
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, it's so well done. And Samuel L.

0:48:33.860 --> 0:48:37.700
<v Speaker 2>Jackson is just, I mean, he deserves millions more dollars

0:48:37.739 --> 0:48:39.940
<v Speaker 2>for how much he did for this franchise than they

0:48:39.980 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 2>already paid him.

0:48:41.500 --> 0:48:45.590
<v Speaker 1>So Bruce comes to like in crashed into like an

0:48:45.630 --> 0:48:49.469
<v Speaker 1>abandoned factory with an old security guard standing over him.

0:48:50.230 --> 0:48:52.090
<v Speaker 1>being like, you got a condition, fella.

0:48:52.150 --> 0:48:53.090
<v Speaker 3>Like, are you an alien?

0:48:53.770 --> 0:48:56.630
<v Speaker 1>We go to Stark Tower. Tony arrives, finds Selvig on

0:48:56.650 --> 0:49:02.700
<v Speaker 1>the roof setting up the portal machine and talking fucking crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:03.380
<v Speaker 3>He's gone.

0:49:03.780 --> 0:49:04.460
<v Speaker 1>Gone, gone, gone.

0:49:04.700 --> 0:49:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Gone off the Tesseract.

0:49:06.219 --> 0:49:08.219
<v Speaker 1>Tony takes a listen to him for a little while.

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:09.010
<v Speaker 3>He's like, all right, shut up.

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:12.570
<v Speaker 1>And he tries to shoot the machine, but it's covered

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.290
<v Speaker 1>with a shield that reflects it back at him. And

0:49:15.390 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Jarvis is like, that's not gonna work it's totally shielded

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.860
<v Speaker 1>so Tony's like okay he looks down he sees Loki

0:49:20.980 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>like in his penthouse he's like okay get the mark

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:25.779
<v Speaker 1>7 ready I'm gonna go down there talk to him

0:49:25.820 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>he goes down there has a whiskey which would be

0:49:28.540 --> 0:49:29.839
<v Speaker 1>dangerous for Tony.

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:30.980
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah yeah.

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:34.590
<v Speaker 2>Definitely definitely and I remember this being such a huge

0:49:34.660 --> 0:49:36.810
<v Speaker 2>talking point after I saw it with my friends or

0:49:36.870 --> 0:49:37.930
<v Speaker 2>everyone was like oh.

0:49:37.930 --> 0:49:38.989
<v Speaker 3>Are they going to do it? Are they going to

0:49:39.030 --> 0:49:40.819
<v Speaker 3>do Demon in a Bottle? Are they going to make

0:49:40.860 --> 0:49:41.460
<v Speaker 3>him an alcoholic?

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:45.300
<v Speaker 2>Because he does seem kind of like He's trash-talking Loki.

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 3>He seems a little bit more on edge, but it's

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:48.660
<v Speaker 3>the plan, right?

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, also, he is about to operate a multi-billion dollar

0:49:52.860 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 1>weapon of mass destruction suit.

0:49:54.700 --> 0:49:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Jason.

0:49:56.219 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>In a fight.

0:49:57.180 --> 0:49:58.379
<v Speaker 3>DUI!

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:02.860
<v Speaker 1>And he's having a whiskey anyway. So he's like, listen,

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.259
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, Loki. You're not going to win. We're

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the Avengers.

0:50:06.700 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 3>He tries to bluff him.

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:12.029
<v Speaker 1>We got the Hulk. There's no way. Loki's like, oh, yeah,

0:50:12.050 --> 0:50:13.930
<v Speaker 1>watch this. And he's going to mind control him. But,

0:50:13.969 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of course, because of the chest arc reactor that Tony

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>has in his chest that regulates his heart, he can't

0:50:20.739 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 1>get skin-to-skin contact. So Loki's just like, fuck it, I'm

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.140
<v Speaker 1>throwing you off the building. Throws him off the building.

0:50:26.820 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 1>And then we get what I think is maybe the

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:29.799
<v Speaker 1>coolest suit-up segment.

0:50:29.820 --> 0:50:33.590
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, it's definitely up there for me.

0:50:33.870 --> 0:50:38.070
<v Speaker 1>So the Mark VII, like, shoots out of its carrier

0:50:38.090 --> 0:50:41.219
<v Speaker 1>and Flies down after Tony in free fall and suits

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.390
<v Speaker 1>him up in free fall. And then he flies back up,

0:50:44.530 --> 0:50:50.219
<v Speaker 1>hits Loki with the repulsor rays just as Selvig opens

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 1>the portal and here come the Chitauri and we get

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the big fight. Big fight pops off. Cap and Natasha

0:50:55.760 --> 0:51:00.430
<v Speaker 1>and Barton are fighting. With Thor and Tony, like, helping

0:51:00.570 --> 0:51:02.069
<v Speaker 1>out and just kind of, they're all kind of just

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.320
<v Speaker 1>treading water. They're doing just enough.

0:51:04.340 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 2>They're just trying to fight them as they come out

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:08.299
<v Speaker 2>of the portal, but it's not really, like.

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:08.620
<v Speaker 3>Doing enough.

0:51:08.660 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 1>They don't have a plan even yet.

0:51:10.140 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 3>They don't have a plan, yeah.

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:15.180
<v Speaker 1>It's chaotic at this point. And it seems like maybe

0:51:15.219 --> 0:51:16.859
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be okay, but then one of those

0:51:16.940 --> 0:51:21.730
<v Speaker 1>big leviathans comes through and Tony's, like, you know, firing

0:51:21.850 --> 0:51:25.509
<v Speaker 1>flares at it and he can't even scratch it. Four, meanwhile,

0:51:25.590 --> 0:51:28.460
<v Speaker 1>is tied up fighting Loki on the penthouse and still

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:32.540
<v Speaker 1>trying to be like, hey, look at this. Come to

0:51:32.580 --> 0:51:34.580
<v Speaker 1>your senses. Look at how bad this is. Look at

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:40.100
<v Speaker 1>the devastation. Like, just stop it and let's be brothers again.

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>And Loki's like, you pussy. And then stabs him. Stabs

0:51:43.700 --> 0:51:45.380
<v Speaker 1>his brother in the gut.

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Loki's too much in this film. That is so funny.

0:51:49.500 --> 0:51:53.330
<v Speaker 1>Now, it's only a little knife. To be fair.

0:51:53.630 --> 0:51:56.580
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they probably stabbed each other with bigger knives before,

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:57.220
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:02.180
<v Speaker 1>So stabs him in the guts. And, you know, Thor

0:52:02.219 --> 0:52:04.899
<v Speaker 1>gets really angry, throws Loki off the building. Loki lands

0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.910
<v Speaker 1>on one of those Chitauri gliders and they go flying away.

0:52:09.450 --> 0:52:12.310
<v Speaker 1>Everything's kind of going bad until Banner shows up.

0:52:12.750 --> 0:52:13.330
<v Speaker 3>Uh-oh.

0:52:13.350 --> 0:52:17.029
<v Speaker 1>And Stark says, Banner's here. Perfect. I'm bringing this Leviathan

0:52:17.110 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>straight towards him. And it's flying straight, like, up. Park Avenue,

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 1>straight at Grand Central Station. And Cap is like, Dr. Banner,

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.410
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't you get angry or something and change? And we

0:52:31.430 --> 0:52:32.730
<v Speaker 1>get the great line.

0:52:33.010 --> 0:52:34.969
<v Speaker 3>Iconic! And it sums it up.

0:52:35.450 --> 0:52:37.750
<v Speaker 1>It pays it off. He says, that's my secret, Cap.

0:52:37.790 --> 0:52:40.509
<v Speaker 1>I'm always angry. Transforms into the Hulk and one-shots the

0:52:40.530 --> 0:52:44.940
<v Speaker 1>Leviathan in a great scene. Just one-shots it. Tony comes,

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 1>hits it with a little missile. Cap shields Natasha from

0:52:49.820 --> 0:52:54.610
<v Speaker 1>the guts and debris. Clinton Barton has to fend for himself.

0:52:55.130 --> 0:52:57.890
<v Speaker 1>But at the end of it, the Avengers are assembled.

0:52:57.930 --> 0:52:59.870
<v Speaker 1>We get that cool, like, circular shot.

0:52:59.870 --> 0:53:01.430
<v Speaker 3>360 shot, yeah.

0:53:01.450 --> 0:53:05.890
<v Speaker 1>Spins around them. And then everybody immediately clicks into their roles.

0:53:07.260 --> 0:53:09.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, Tony Stark. And I think this is actually

0:53:09.500 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a cool line because it shows that Stark even realizes, like, okay,

0:53:12.700 --> 0:53:14.439
<v Speaker 1>we need Cap to run this. He's like, okay, what's

0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:15.220
<v Speaker 1>the plan, Cap?

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

0:53:17.530 --> 0:53:20.390
<v Speaker 1>Cap's like, okay, Barton, you will go out to the

0:53:20.450 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 1>highest building and keep an eye on everything and call

0:53:23.989 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>out patterns and traits. Stark, you will fly the perimeter,

0:53:27.219 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 1>keep everything contained within this battle that's ongoing. Don't let

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.840
<v Speaker 1>it spread. Thor, use your lightning on the portal and

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:38.280
<v Speaker 1>just kill as much as you can before it comes

0:53:38.380 --> 0:53:41.460
<v Speaker 1>through the portal. Natasha and I will stay on the

0:53:41.500 --> 0:53:45.090
<v Speaker 1>ground and just like punch and kick guys and Hulk smash.

0:53:45.410 --> 0:53:46.170
<v Speaker 3>Yeah!

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:50.780
<v Speaker 1>Hulk really kind of the star of this movie and Banner.

0:53:51.700 --> 0:53:55.100
<v Speaker 1>He flies up. He's just ragdolling guys. He's beating the

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.969
<v Speaker 1>shit out of these Lichitari. He then goes and jumps

0:53:58.090 --> 0:54:00.710
<v Speaker 1>to the top of the Stark Tower where he finds Loki.

0:54:01.070 --> 0:54:03.989
<v Speaker 2>Just fucking breaks him.

0:54:04.070 --> 0:54:04.870
<v Speaker 3>It's so funny.

0:54:05.550 --> 0:54:07.070
<v Speaker 1>I think you're.

0:54:06.910 --> 0:54:07.550
<v Speaker 3>Right, Jason.

0:54:07.650 --> 0:54:10.410
<v Speaker 2>I think it's kind of crazy how good the Hulk

0:54:10.469 --> 0:54:12.450
<v Speaker 2>is in this movie and how important his role is

0:54:12.469 --> 0:54:13.150
<v Speaker 2>when you look.

0:54:12.989 --> 0:54:15.050
<v Speaker 3>At how hard it was for them to get it

0:54:15.090 --> 0:54:16.029
<v Speaker 3>right previously.

0:54:16.050 --> 0:54:16.140
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:54:16.610 --> 0:54:18.980
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of wild how it all comes together here.

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.340
<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting because a lot of Hulk fans are

0:54:21.380 --> 0:54:23.100
<v Speaker 2>now like, will we ever get a Hulk movie?

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:24.760
<v Speaker 3>And that is a licensing issue, guys.

0:54:24.780 --> 0:54:27.170
<v Speaker 2>They can't make a movie called The Hulk without, you know,

0:54:27.570 --> 0:54:31.220
<v Speaker 2>a payment to a different studio. But... I do think

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.879
<v Speaker 2>Mark Ruffalo's Hulk is so good with other characters. Like,

0:54:34.940 --> 0:54:36.740
<v Speaker 2>I do want to see him get his own time,

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:40.620
<v Speaker 2>but they built him in here essentially as a co-lead

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.770
<v Speaker 2>of an ensemble movie, and it just works. And I

0:54:43.830 --> 0:54:47.730
<v Speaker 2>see how he's so easy to plug into other films, basically.

0:54:48.530 --> 0:54:52.160
<v Speaker 1>He is just fantastic. And when I saw this in

0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.469
<v Speaker 1>the theater... The biggest reaction was this moment where he

0:54:55.530 --> 0:54:58.330
<v Speaker 1>grabs Loki by the cape and is just fucking ragged on.

0:54:58.360 --> 0:54:58.900
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.060
<v Speaker 2>Slapping him around like Jason with a fucking teenager in

0:55:02.100 --> 0:55:02.859
<v Speaker 2>a sleeping bag.

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:03.219
<v Speaker 3>It's so good.

0:55:03.260 --> 0:55:06.740
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until I saw it, I think on DVD,

0:55:07.060 --> 0:55:10.430
<v Speaker 1>that I realized that he says puny God because you

0:55:10.510 --> 0:55:11.620
<v Speaker 1>couldn't hear what he said.

0:55:11.660 --> 0:55:14.029
<v Speaker 3>Because everyone in the cinema was like, ah!

0:55:15.150 --> 0:55:18.250
<v Speaker 1>So things are going okay, but the World Security Council

0:55:18.330 --> 0:55:22.950
<v Speaker 1>is getting, they're nervous. They're like, I don't know. Why don't, okay.

0:55:23.530 --> 0:55:24.450
<v Speaker 1>Let's nuke the city.

0:55:24.590 --> 0:55:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Crazy. Imagine. You know what? I'm not going to lie.

0:55:28.780 --> 0:55:33.280
<v Speaker 2>In 2012, this seemed so crazy. But now I'm like, honestly,

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.540
<v Speaker 2>if aliens attack, they might just do that now. But yeah,

0:55:36.580 --> 0:55:39.320
<v Speaker 2>their plan is just nuke all of Manhattan. Don't worry

0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:41.169
<v Speaker 2>about all the people who live there. Don't worry about

0:55:41.190 --> 0:55:43.069
<v Speaker 2>the fallout for the next hundred years.

0:55:43.310 --> 0:55:45.850
<v Speaker 3>Just fucking nuke Manhattan. Now get rid of the aliens.

0:55:45.890 --> 0:55:46.190
<v Speaker 3>Just nuke it.

0:55:46.989 --> 0:55:49.790
<v Speaker 1>So Fury realizes that there's a bird in motion. Maria

0:55:49.830 --> 0:55:52.330
<v Speaker 1>Hill's like, there's a bird in motion on the jet?

0:55:52.790 --> 0:55:53.930
<v Speaker 3>Fury goes up there with.

0:55:53.830 --> 0:55:57.300
<v Speaker 1>An RPG and shoots one jet down, but there's two jets.

0:55:57.980 --> 0:56:01.840
<v Speaker 1>So the second jet takes off and launches its nuke.

0:56:02.540 --> 0:56:05.609
<v Speaker 1>And they've got like two minutes, under two minutes to

0:56:06.050 --> 0:56:10.359
<v Speaker 1>do something. Stark... gets a call from Fury who's like,

0:56:10.420 --> 0:56:13.109
<v Speaker 1>Hey missile, you need to stop. So he puts all

0:56:13.170 --> 0:56:16.109
<v Speaker 1>his energy into his jets and he flies up there.

0:56:16.150 --> 0:56:20.270
<v Speaker 1>He grabs the missile and he's steering it towards the portal,

0:56:20.350 --> 0:56:22.910
<v Speaker 1>which Natasha is just then about to close. She's got

0:56:22.950 --> 0:56:27.740
<v Speaker 1>the scepter and it's piercing the shield around the portal machine.

0:56:27.900 --> 0:56:29.819
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, I can close this. Can anybody, is

0:56:29.860 --> 0:56:32.600
<v Speaker 1>anybody on the radio? And Tony says like, no, I

0:56:32.620 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 1>need to fly the missile up through there. He's then like,

0:56:36.340 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Jarvis is like, do you want to get Pepper on

0:56:37.660 --> 0:56:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the line since it seems like we're going to die

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:40.700
<v Speaker 1>right now? And he's like, yeah, let's get Pepper. But

0:56:40.739 --> 0:56:42.859
<v Speaker 1>she's on the private jet. She can't. She doesn't take

0:56:42.900 --> 0:56:44.660
<v Speaker 1>his call right now. She doesn't realize he's calling. And

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.989
<v Speaker 1>the circuits are probably jammed. He flies the missile up

0:56:48.010 --> 0:56:52.770
<v Speaker 1>through the portal. It hits some Chitauri mothership, which kills.

0:56:52.810 --> 0:56:54.770
<v Speaker 3>Kind of hive minds all the other forces.

0:56:55.070 --> 0:56:57.860
<v Speaker 2>I think there must be some hive mind element because

0:56:57.910 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 2>it shuts down.

0:56:58.860 --> 0:57:00.660
<v Speaker 3>All the alien forces who are already through.

0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:05.010
<v Speaker 1>They just drop like marionettes with their strings cut. And

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:09.150
<v Speaker 1>big explosion. Cap is watching it. He's waiting.

0:57:09.190 --> 0:57:09.670
<v Speaker 3>He's waiting.

0:57:09.690 --> 0:57:12.969
<v Speaker 1>He's waiting. Tony's not flying back through. So then Cap

0:57:13.010 --> 0:57:16.430
<v Speaker 1>is like, fuck it. Close the portal. He did wait

0:57:16.450 --> 0:57:16.810
<v Speaker 1>a long time.

0:57:16.830 --> 0:57:17.650
<v Speaker 3>He waited a long time.

0:57:18.050 --> 0:57:23.170
<v Speaker 1>And the portal is closing like an anus that's closing.

0:57:22.770 --> 0:57:24.590
<v Speaker 3>Back up or something. So like a little butthole.

0:57:24.750 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Like a little butthole that's closing back up.

0:57:26.770 --> 0:57:28.710
<v Speaker 3>And Tony Stark just pops right out. Like a little

0:57:28.750 --> 0:57:29.750
<v Speaker 3>piece of poop.

0:57:29.810 --> 0:57:32.610
<v Speaker 1>Like a little poop that's dropping out of the butthole.

0:57:33.780 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Dropping out of the space bottle.

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:41.410
<v Speaker 1>And everybody's thrilled. Cap's like, oh my God, he actually

0:57:41.450 --> 0:57:43.690
<v Speaker 1>did it. This is so great. And then they realize, wait,

0:57:43.710 --> 0:57:48.090
<v Speaker 1>he's just free falling. Hulk jumps up, catches him.

0:57:48.470 --> 0:57:49.050
<v Speaker 3>Love it.

0:57:49.070 --> 0:57:52.900
<v Speaker 1>Dumps him in front of Grand Central. They pop his

0:57:52.940 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>little face visor off a little too easily. But it

0:57:57.040 --> 0:58:00.180
<v Speaker 1>comes right off and they're looking at him. He seems dead.

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 1>But then The Hulk roars in his face and Tony

0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:08.660
<v Speaker 1>wakes up. Central Park sometime later. Loki is cuffed and muzzled.

0:58:08.700 --> 0:58:09.919
<v Speaker 1>He's remanded to Thor's custody.

0:58:09.940 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Just in Central Park publicly.

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.360
<v Speaker 1>In the middle of Central Park. We're doing this right

0:58:14.420 --> 0:58:17.180
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of everybody. Thor is going to fly

0:58:17.220 --> 0:58:20.810
<v Speaker 1>Loki back to Asgardian custody where we all know from

0:58:21.310 --> 0:58:25.770
<v Speaker 1>the next Thor movie he's going to be in Asgard jail. Steve...

0:58:25.790 --> 0:58:28.390
<v Speaker 1>Everybody goes their separate ways. Steve gets on his motorcycle,

0:58:28.430 --> 0:58:31.680
<v Speaker 1>goes nomad style and leaves. Bruce and Tony... Get in

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.660
<v Speaker 1>a car together. They're probably going straight to the Stark

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:35.140
<v Speaker 1>Tower to.

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.390
<v Speaker 3>Start doing science stuff. Yeah, to do some science boys.

0:58:38.210 --> 0:58:40.710
<v Speaker 1>And Fury's like, what do we do now? Like, we

0:58:41.090 --> 0:58:44.010
<v Speaker 1>put together the Avengers, but now they're all in different places.

0:58:44.090 --> 0:58:47.290
<v Speaker 1>And Thor's, like, actually in a different dimension. How do

0:58:47.310 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 1>we get him back? And Fury's like, when Earth needs him,

0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:54.300
<v Speaker 1>they'll be back. Don't worry about it. Credits roll. We

0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.620
<v Speaker 1>go to the mid-credits scene where we're back in deep space.

0:58:56.700 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 3>The other is.

0:58:58.050 --> 0:59:01.450
<v Speaker 1>giving the extremely bad news to this guy in the throne.

0:59:01.490 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>He kneels before him. He's like, the humans, they're stronger

0:59:03.580 --> 0:59:07.790
<v Speaker 1>than we thought. They're more powerful than we thought. And actually,

0:59:07.810 --> 0:59:10.860
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to fight them, it means courting death,

0:59:10.940 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>which is exactly what Thanos wants to hear because this

0:59:15.440 --> 0:59:18.420
<v Speaker 1>guy is hard on for death. And I remember in

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:22.460
<v Speaker 1>my theater, I would say maybe 20% of the theater

0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:24.390
<v Speaker 1>kind of seemed like they knew who he was it.

0:59:24.670 --> 0:59:27.070
<v Speaker 2>Was very mysterious back then because a lot of people

0:59:27.090 --> 0:59:28.970
<v Speaker 2>thought it was going to be a Skrull reveal I

0:59:29.010 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 2>think because that had been really prominent in the comics

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.930
<v Speaker 2>recently and then obviously turns around with this Wrinkly ball face.

0:59:34.970 --> 0:59:37.550
<v Speaker 2>This is original Thanos too.

0:59:38.030 --> 0:59:38.890
<v Speaker 1>Original design.

0:59:38.910 --> 0:59:40.290
<v Speaker 3>This is original design.

0:59:40.550 --> 0:59:43.710
<v Speaker 2>He's a little skinnier played by Damien Poitier, I believe

0:59:43.810 --> 0:59:44.930
<v Speaker 2>the original actor.

0:59:45.210 --> 0:59:45.430
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:45.470 --> 0:59:49.010
<v Speaker 3>Very, very cool moment. And I love the way he

0:59:49.050 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 3>turns the camera and just grins.

0:59:50.540 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:52.660
<v Speaker 3>Cause it's like, that's what he wants. He doesn't want

0:59:52.700 --> 0:59:53.300
<v Speaker 3>it to be easy.

0:59:53.660 --> 0:59:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's the court death that really set the real

0:59:56.660 --> 1:00:00.060
<v Speaker 1>comics fans off, because obviously, you know, Thanos is.

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:02.580
<v Speaker 3>Sadly, we did never get her, albeit.

1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Thanos is in a kind of one-way relationship with... He's

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:07.220
<v Speaker 1>been friend-zoned by.

1:00:07.380 --> 1:00:10.540
<v Speaker 2>She's situation-shipping him, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>And then credits roll again, and then we get the

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:18.919
<v Speaker 1>very last scene, and this is where... The shawarma scene,

1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:22.070
<v Speaker 1>where in a shawarma restaurant a few blocks from, I guess,

1:00:22.260 --> 1:00:25.980
<v Speaker 1>Ground Zero... The Avengers are sitting there eating in silence

1:00:26.020 --> 1:00:29.790
<v Speaker 1>as the owner is sweeping up behind them. That is

1:00:30.010 --> 1:00:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Marvel's The Avengers from 2012. We'll be back to discuss

1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>this movie. And we're back. Rosie, why this movie? Why

1:00:58.400 --> 1:00:59.440
<v Speaker 1>this movie for Doomsday?

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<v Speaker 2>Ironically, this is why I love to talk to you

1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:04.080
<v Speaker 2>about this stuff and listen to you do the recap.

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<v Speaker 3>And chat to you. Because my big thing with coming

1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:06.140
<v Speaker 3>out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Re-watching it was like, and taking all my notes, was

1:01:09.050 --> 1:01:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it's character relationships. It's actually reminding you like all these

1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:17.800
<v Speaker 2>relationships are so important. Nat and Clint, look where that leads.

1:01:17.900 --> 1:01:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Tony and Steve, look where that leads. The establishment of

1:01:20.900 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 2>like Banner as a loner, but also as kind of

1:01:23.430 --> 1:01:25.770
<v Speaker 2>the hero who always comes by and helps out at

1:01:25.810 --> 1:01:28.970
<v Speaker 2>the last moment. There's so much here. The Natasha is

1:01:28.990 --> 1:01:31.590
<v Speaker 2>a monster conversation that gets established.

1:01:31.910 --> 1:01:33.510
<v Speaker 3>But as we were talking, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>I have actually got a crazier theory that I think

1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.490
<v Speaker 2>could be part of this. Everyone was talking about how

1:01:39.780 --> 1:01:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Cap in the Doomsday trailer looks like Nomad.

1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:43.260
<v Speaker 3>Cap, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And something that we learn from the beginning of Cap's

1:01:46.780 --> 1:01:50.420
<v Speaker 2>experience in First Avenger when he wakes up is that S.H.I.E.L.D.

1:01:50.460 --> 1:01:53.090
<v Speaker 2>lies to him, right? They lie to him about the baseball.

1:01:53.130 --> 1:01:55.530
<v Speaker 2>They lie to him about the time. Then in this movie,

1:01:55.810 --> 1:01:58.170
<v Speaker 2>he is reminded again that S.H.I.E.L.D.

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<v Speaker 3>Is lying.

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<v Speaker 2>They're lying about Hydra. They're lying about creating the weapons.

1:02:03.070 --> 1:02:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if there is a version, and then obviously

1:02:06.060 --> 1:02:08.300
<v Speaker 2>Civil War, the same thing happens with Steve again. I

1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.080
<v Speaker 2>wonder if there's a version where that young Cap who

1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:14.730
<v Speaker 2>goes back is like specifically trying to stop S.H.I.E.L.D. And

1:02:14.790 --> 1:02:17.910
<v Speaker 2>that is what pits him against it. He's like, actually,

1:02:18.290 --> 1:02:21.010
<v Speaker 2>shield is the issue. They shouldn't have taken the fucking Tesseract.

1:02:21.330 --> 1:02:24.130
<v Speaker 2>They shouldn't have taken any of this stuff. I wonder

1:02:24.190 --> 1:02:27.650
<v Speaker 2>if there's a version where the bad Cap isn't a

1:02:27.730 --> 1:02:31.370
<v Speaker 2>Hydra Cap, but he is a Cap who is like,

1:02:31.530 --> 1:02:33.990
<v Speaker 2>we've got to stop shield. Stopping shield is the most

1:02:34.050 --> 1:02:36.470
<v Speaker 2>important thing. Because the Cap who went back would have

1:02:36.510 --> 1:02:37.890
<v Speaker 2>known shield was Hydra too.

1:02:37.970 --> 1:02:40.990
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. There's something about the layers of

1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:42.820
<v Speaker 3>the World.

1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Security Council, S.H.I.E.L.D., these constant lies, constant betrayals, questioning authority.

1:02:48.780 --> 1:02:51.870
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that is going to play into our

1:02:51.950 --> 1:02:54.650
<v Speaker 2>two versions of Cap that we're thinking we have. What

1:02:54.690 --> 1:02:57.130
<v Speaker 2>did you come away with as your biggest, like, why

1:02:57.150 --> 1:02:58.010
<v Speaker 2>this was included?

1:02:58.910 --> 1:03:03.860
<v Speaker 1>I think primarily, again, the simplest answer is they want

1:03:03.900 --> 1:03:08.400
<v Speaker 1>us to just kind of understand why the Avengers were formed.

1:03:09.050 --> 1:03:12.270
<v Speaker 1>and with Infinity War and Endgame, how the Avengers broke up.

1:03:12.570 --> 1:03:15.640
<v Speaker 1>They want us to understand what it was that forged

1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:22.180
<v Speaker 1>those teams together. And secondarily, I think you're right. There is,

1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:29.900
<v Speaker 1>throughout this film, from Captain America to Avengers to Winter Soldier,

1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and even to Civil War, there is a constant through

1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:39.510
<v Speaker 1>line of Steve being like, The truth is much different

1:03:39.530 --> 1:03:42.210
<v Speaker 1>than people were presenting it to me. The world works

1:03:42.270 --> 1:03:43.990
<v Speaker 1>much differently than I thought it did.

1:03:44.410 --> 1:03:48.670
<v Speaker 2>The ideals I'm fighting for aren't real or are being manipulated.

1:03:49.290 --> 1:03:55.410
<v Speaker 1>And most of the time, Steve runs, not runs away,

1:03:55.450 --> 1:03:57.310
<v Speaker 1>but after Civil War, he goes on the run. He's

1:03:57.350 --> 1:04:00.090
<v Speaker 1>on the run for four years before Infinity War. And

1:04:00.270 --> 1:04:02.550
<v Speaker 1>at the end of this movie, he just leaves to

1:04:02.570 --> 1:04:04.610
<v Speaker 1>process things. And we would later find out he's doing

1:04:04.660 --> 1:04:07.100
<v Speaker 1>missions for S.H.I.E.L.D. around the world, as we see in

1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Winter Soldier. So I do wonder if, to your point,

1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:15.590
<v Speaker 1>Doomsday Cap, the one who stole a life and had

1:04:15.630 --> 1:04:17.510
<v Speaker 1>a son and did all this stuff, is trying to

1:04:17.550 --> 1:04:21.650
<v Speaker 1>be more involved. And when he sees stuff he doesn't like,

1:04:22.430 --> 1:04:23.990
<v Speaker 1>instead of just being like, well, I'm not going to

1:04:24.030 --> 1:04:27.169
<v Speaker 1>get involved in that, I'm checking out, being more like,

1:04:27.530 --> 1:04:29.140
<v Speaker 1>let me see if I can do something about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Direct action, like nip it in the budge. Yeah. And

1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:33.640
<v Speaker 3>that hits him against.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That is kind of my big theory. But otherwise, I

1:04:39.940 --> 1:04:46.670
<v Speaker 1>think that this one is primarily about just here's how

1:04:46.710 --> 1:04:49.710
<v Speaker 1>this team got together. This is the threat this team faced.

1:04:51.510 --> 1:04:53.810
<v Speaker 2>Here's why we have a new Avengers team. That was

1:04:53.870 --> 1:04:56.350
<v Speaker 2>an original Avengers team. Here's how they got put together.

1:04:56.610 --> 1:04:59.610
<v Speaker 2>Here's who put them together. Also, I think the reminder

1:04:59.650 --> 1:05:00.710
<v Speaker 2>of like the losses.

1:05:01.430 --> 1:05:02.050
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah.

1:05:02.420 --> 1:05:05.360
<v Speaker 2>There's definitely Captain America First Avenger is about how much

1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:07.169
<v Speaker 2>Steve never got to have that date, right?

1:05:07.490 --> 1:05:09.670
<v Speaker 3>He never got to have that life. That's a reminder

1:05:09.710 --> 1:05:11.230
<v Speaker 3>of what drove him to make the choice at the

1:05:11.270 --> 1:05:11.990
<v Speaker 3>end of Endgame.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie is about Coulson's death, about the fucking wreckage

1:05:17.570 --> 1:05:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Battle of New York. Like the Battle of

1:05:19.890 --> 1:05:22.480
<v Speaker 2>New York is still talked about. It's talked about in

1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:25.780
<v Speaker 2>the Hawkeye TV show. There are still Chitauri Tech on

1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:28.940
<v Speaker 2>the ground. Like I think that in that way, this

1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:33.570
<v Speaker 2>movie really did shape and influence so much of the

1:05:33.630 --> 1:05:36.110
<v Speaker 2>rest of the MCU that it just makes sense for

1:05:36.170 --> 1:05:37.430
<v Speaker 2>it to be here. And I think there's going to

1:05:37.470 --> 1:05:40.370
<v Speaker 2>be tons of threads that they can take from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if Endgame is any, both Endgame and Infinity

1:05:44.690 --> 1:05:49.990
<v Speaker 1>War are any guide, and the Russos are back, so

1:05:50.030 --> 1:05:53.030
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine they are. One thing the Russos love

1:05:53.070 --> 1:06:00.580
<v Speaker 1>doing is these callbacks to small moments, to little moments. Like, just... Endgame,

1:06:00.700 --> 1:06:08.280
<v Speaker 1>there's so many callbacks to lines, to exchanges, to little

1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:13.930
<v Speaker 1>dangling threads that happen throughout the series. And so thinking

1:06:13.970 --> 1:06:21.490
<v Speaker 1>about this one, I do wonder, let's say Cap, because

1:06:21.710 --> 1:06:23.750
<v Speaker 1>we don't know where Cap goes back to, but if

1:06:23.790 --> 1:06:25.890
<v Speaker 1>he's going to have a child with Peggy, it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be During her childbearing years, right? So he's gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be in the 40s.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means that younger Cap that comes back, what year, first.

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<v Speaker 3>Of all, what year does he leave from? Is he

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<v Speaker 3>from like the 70s? Is he from the 60s?

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<v Speaker 1>And second of all, how does the fact that, like

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<v Speaker 1>I do wonder how Coulson being such a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>his the sacrifices of those people, of Coulson in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>could influence the way he acts in that timeline. And

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, whether he takes a more strong hand

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<v Speaker 1>in the foundation of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, you make a great point because I do think

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<v Speaker 2>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is going to come into this because

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<v Speaker 2>in Vision Quest, we have people actually playing their roles

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<v Speaker 2>from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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<v Speaker 3>In as their AI versions, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So also in that, we learned that the Coulson death

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<v Speaker 2>situation is very different. There's LMDs, there's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff going.

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<v Speaker 1>On, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I would also say that's another lie that was

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<v Speaker 2>used to make Steve fight alongside Hydra, I mean, alongside S.H.I.E.L.D.

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<v Speaker 3>That we find out to be Hydra.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think there are so many interesting threads. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>like when this movie came out, I saw a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of times in the theater.

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<v Speaker 3>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also like, I felt the big blockbuster eventness

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<v Speaker 2>of it all a little bit more than I felt

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<v Speaker 2>the character based shit that I loved from like Iron

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<v Speaker 2>Man and stuff. But on rewatch, I actually think the

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<v Speaker 2>character intros and the character stuff is really interesting. The

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thing here that I think would shock fans, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we're going to see because they just

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<v Speaker 2>know how beloved Loki is, but Loki is in Endgame.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Loki is in Doomsday, and the Loki we

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<v Speaker 2>get here is evil Loki. Now, I know we're also

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<v Speaker 2>going to visit the show, so I think we will

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about different versions of Loki, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that's interesting because it's like, Will we get an

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<v Speaker 2>iteration of Loki who was supposed to be like King, the,

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<v Speaker 2>the frost giant son? Like, will we get that Loki?

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<v Speaker 2>Will we get a Loki who is a true ally?

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<v Speaker 2>Will Loki, when he gives up his place in the

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<v Speaker 2>tree of life, which we think he's going to probably

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<v Speaker 2>have to do to fix the timelines.

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<v Speaker 3>Will he like revert back to an evil Loki?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what are we, I I'm interested in how his

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<v Speaker 2>representation here, which is so different from where we end

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<v Speaker 2>up with him.

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<v Speaker 3>If that is going to come into play.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting. too. You know, the other thing I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder is, like, so if Steve does go to marry Peggy,

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<v Speaker 1>and that happens in whatever, 1943, 1944, 1945. He kind

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<v Speaker 1>of knows where the Tesseract is.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>If he uses that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, well, I mean, he knows where all the gems are.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how he comes back? That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he knows where they were placed back so he

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<v Speaker 2>can use the time stone to get back.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just under the ice at this point, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, of course. Well, this is where we

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<v Speaker 3>get really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think also why the Russos probably started shooting

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<v Speaker 2>without a script because we touched on this before with

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<v Speaker 2>First Avenger, but the time travel mechanics of the MCU

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<v Speaker 2>are very talked about. So I think that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of theories and how they work. And even within

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<v Speaker 2>the people who wrote the stories, they disagree. So I

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<v Speaker 2>am really interested in that exact point, Jason. Will they

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<v Speaker 2>show that Cap has actually been using the gems that

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<v Speaker 2>entire time? Maybe that is the life he stole is

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<v Speaker 2>like by using the gems to essentially create like a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect life for him and Peggy. Like that would incite

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<v Speaker 2>and imply a selfishness that we've never seen in him too,

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<v Speaker 2>which could also be a twist, which could be older

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<v Speaker 2>Cap who went to live the life is actually the

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<v Speaker 2>worst Cap because he is the one who went back

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<v Speaker 2>and is evil and was selfish. And then maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>younger Cap is coming back to try and stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many crazy options. And honestly, the funniest thing

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<v Speaker 2>is like, I know a lot of people were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel's just arbitrarily picked movies. that they want to choose,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to make people watch them. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say, every single one I watch is getting my

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<v Speaker 2>mind going. So it's working.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Making me excited and theorized for this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that they have... I mean, there'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>be multiple... Like, Old Cap, like, he is ostensibly still around, right? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't die. I don't think we would have heard

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't die at the end of Endgame, but he's, like,

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<v Speaker 1>there and he's just kind of running around? Or did

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<v Speaker 1>he go back?

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>He's there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I do wonder, like, if there are multiple caps, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have the... Would they dare make him evil?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, that's what I'm trying to work out. But people...

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say, I've been shocked by how many

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<v Speaker 3>people online.

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<v Speaker 2>think they're going to do like a full secret empire

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>They won't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to do it, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think that shows that people are more

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<v Speaker 2>open-minded and questioning and kind of, look, it's 2026. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a good time to question what does it mean to

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<v Speaker 2>be Captain America, you know? So I think that people

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<v Speaker 2>are excited about the potential to explore that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think any of the caps are going to be fully evil,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do think we are going to get this

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<v Speaker 2>question of like, why is his relationship with Peggy or

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<v Speaker 2>his chance of having a life with Peggy? Why is

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<v Speaker 2>that more important than anyone else getting a good life?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that has to be asked.

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<v Speaker 1>My other question is like, obviously you look at these

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<v Speaker 1>movies and it, and Iron Man is a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of them, but it's not like, you know, civil war.

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<v Speaker 1>If you really wanted to have a big Tony moment

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<v Speaker 1>or any of the Iron Mans, there's no solo Iron Mans.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no civil war. I, will there be something in

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<v Speaker 1>this movie about why they can't get Tony? Because if

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see multiple versions of characters, why wouldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't they, why would Tony be?

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to lead to one of the craziest

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<v Speaker 2>theories that people have, which is that this version of Dr.

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<v Speaker 2>Doom is actually like a, a variant of Tony Stark.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they've said that that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>They've said that's not the case, but they also said

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't called end game for like two years. But, um,

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say I don't think that that is

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<v Speaker 2>the best route to go. But there is a version

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<v Speaker 2>in that case where Doom basically destroyed every other variant,

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<v Speaker 2>every other universe that has a variant of him that

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<v Speaker 2>you could bring back or something, you know, almost equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>to like a kind of a reflection of what happened

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<v Speaker 2>with Wonder where every other universe, she has the family.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have created a space where there's only one

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<v Speaker 2>of him.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't love that. But I do think you make

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting point, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't thought about the fact that Civil War's not

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<v Speaker 2>on here, that Iron Man 1 and 2 aren't on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony movies are not really focused here. What is focused

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<v Speaker 2>on is the beef and that miscommunication and that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of contrarianism. I wonder if Tony not being there is

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to make them follow Cap down a road

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<v Speaker 2>they shouldn't because he is the one who was always

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<v Speaker 2>saying don't follow orders. I wonder if that being missing

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<v Speaker 2>in Doomsday is actually going to be an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's such a huge part. Think about when they're arguing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when they come to the hugest decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's when they're arguing and bantering and bickering and fighting

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<v Speaker 2>that Tony realizes the plan.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like Cap.

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<v Speaker 2>Needs Tony there to kind of balance him out. And

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<v Speaker 2>we see Thor sees Cap's arrival as like a miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>But if Tony isn't there to balance him out, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if that becomes an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to continue our coverage of Avengers Doomsday.

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<v Speaker 1>and impending doomsday. In the next episodes of X-Ray Vision,

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<v Speaker 1>we're diving into the biggest news of the week and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next episode of Lanterns. Next week, impending doomsday,

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<v Speaker 1>Infinity War. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye!

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