1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Feds say the two 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: met online when the girl was only twelve, and prosecutors 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: say this sheriff deputy would manipulate and threaten her all 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: the way from Texas. A Texas sheriff deputy accused of 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: cyberstocking a Worcester County teenager through the popular video game Minecraft. 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: According to the thirteen page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: five year old deputy would refer to himself as Geno 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: and Daddy, and the miner as baby Girl. Prosecutors say 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: the two met online back in twenty fourteen, when the 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: victim was twelve. Over the years, authorities say the girl 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: sent him hundreds of explicit photos of herself. She's now 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: seventeen and reported to police this past spring. She believed 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: the Texas deputy was tracking her movements via social media, 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: and he was allegedly threatening to publish her explicit photos 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: or rape her sister if she didn't continue to send 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: him new pictures. Saw him daddy, oh oh, and we 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: are talking about a deputy sheriff. Just last night, my 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: twins eleven years old, we're playing Minecraft with each other 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: with me in the room. Can you imagine a sheriff's 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: deputy cyber stalking a little girl on Minecraft? I Amancy Grace, 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us? 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: Will it never end? Every time I help put one pervangelic, 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: five more pop up? It's like a Hydra with multi 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: mini many hands. You not, you cut one off and 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: then there's twenty more. A deputy sheriff in Texas allegedly 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: cyber stalking a little girl he meets playing Minecraft? What 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: the h E? Double L is a grown man doing 28 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: playing Minecraft? To start with with me, Renee defense attorney 29 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: joining me out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction Randy Kessler also 30 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: with me, former NYPD from the Harvard Law School's Internet 31 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: Safety Tech Task Force, John Cordillo also right now to 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: cum on Live dot com investigative reporter at Dave Dave mac. 33 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: When you have a grown man playing Minecraft, that should 34 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: set off all sorts of bells and whistles in your mind. 35 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. Who is this guy? 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: Pasquala Solis. He is a twenty five year old sheriff's 37 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: deputy out of Texas who five years ago was online 38 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: playing Minecraft and started grooming this twelve year old girl. Now, 39 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: we just heard, according to Eric Kane joining us at 40 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: WHDH seven, that he had been meeting her through Minecraft, 41 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: a video game message board. And it's very, very unusual. 42 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, how do you groom a child long 43 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: distance if you're just talking online? I mean, it's really 44 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: become the most typical way to do it with the 45 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: advent of the internet. I mean, the last twenty years plus, Nancy, 46 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: online grooming has been actually more effective for the pedophiles 47 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: than in person grooming because they can at first convince 48 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: the kid that they're trustworthy. Right. Kids have been taught 49 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: for years, don't talk to strangers, don't talk to other adults. 50 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: But on the Internet, you're assuming a personality. You have 51 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: a fake identity, a live action role play identity, much 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: easier to form that bond and begin the grooming process. Well, 53 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, to Randy Kesser, renowned defense attorney joining me 54 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: right now, I don't know what kind of defense you'd 55 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: put up in a case like this, But I spoke 56 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: in depth with a now grown woman who as a 57 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: child met another girl, a little girl her age, in 58 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: a chat room. They talked and talked and talked for months. 59 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: Finally the little girl admitted he was actually a little boy. 60 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Then he wanted her to come outside and meet him. 61 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: She went outside to meet him. It was not a 62 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: little boy. It was a grown man who forced her 63 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: into his car, tied her up, chained her to the floor, 64 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: molested her, assaulted her, beat her, had her in a 65 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: shot collar, and she believed he was killing her that 66 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: evening when she was saved Randy Kessler, this freaky purv 67 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: had been sending photos of her and live videos of 68 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: her to another pedophile, and another pedophile was so worried 69 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: he would murder Alicia that he called police. That's how 70 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: her life was saved by the FBI. So it happens 71 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: all the time. I don't know how you could mount 72 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: a defense when the purp is allegedly roring a twelve 73 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: year old little girl. He's in law enforcement, so you're right, 74 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: it's these are the most difficult cases to defend. On 75 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: one handle of the the hand, this guy is not accused 76 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: of doing what you just went through. He didn't have 77 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: the physical interaction, he was not dere outside. It's not 78 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: much of a defense. There's no way to say he's 79 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: a moral you know, good person. You don't want him 80 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: to go to jail because if he's in jail, everyone 81 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: in jail is going to hate him just as much 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: as you hate him. And in America hates people to 83 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: do this kind of stuff. So he's got to do 84 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: everything you can to stay out of jail. Agree to 85 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: go to whatever counseling, agree to in house. But it's 86 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: sling whoa, whoa that that cow is out of the 87 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: barn counseler counseling, m m M. And it's not that 88 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: he didn't have contact with her, Dave Matt. Isn't it 89 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: true that, according to the documents that we have obtained, 90 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: this deputy sheriff, then twenty five year old Pasqual Salis, 91 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: repeatedly ordered the girl to send him six images and 92 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: videos of herself when she's a miner, and then started 93 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: threatening her, threatening that he would release those images publicly 94 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: if she did not continue to send them. Actually, Nancy, 95 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: if you go back to this whole case, it starts 96 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: when she's twelve, and he spends time grooming her. About 97 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: the time she hits fourteen, she's already sent him some pictures, 98 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: some sexually explicit videos, but she's regretting it. And she 99 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: starts to cut the relationship off, and that was in 100 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. That's when he upped the annie and started 101 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: threatening and started demanding more and more and more, to 102 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: the point where he got control of her passwords for 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: all of her social media. He was tracking her online, 104 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: was able to find out where she was every minute 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: of the day. And by the way, because he was 106 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: in law enforcement, he had this girl convinced that he 107 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: had her under twenty four hour surveillance and that if 108 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: she didn't do exactly what he said. He claimed, I 109 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: own you. You have to do what I tell you. 110 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: That if she didn't do that, he would hurt her 111 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: family and release all the film and pictures that she 112 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: had already sent, and oh the shang, she imagined that 113 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: would cause her parents to John Cardillo, former NYPD with 114 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: the Harvard Law School Internet Safety Tech Task Force. John Cardillo, 115 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: what happened is my understanding. He meets her playing Minecraft 116 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: and then they start talking in a private Minecraft chat room. 117 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Explain to me how that works. Well, you know, it's 118 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: an isolated environment, so the two players can connect to 119 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: one another and then begin a private chat. This can 120 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: be done under the guys who's almost anything. Nancy, right, 121 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: they're like minded players, They're on the same team, they're 122 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: in the same faction of the game. Because these games 123 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: are emulating life. They're a microcosm fantasy world of real life. 124 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: But the two other guests touch on something very interesting, 125 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: and I have to completely disagree with the counselor that 126 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: this guy deserves counseling and agree with Dave. I mean, 127 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: this is a sheriff's deputy. He went through a process 128 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: to become law enforcement. He lied on his psychological evaluations, 129 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: his department gave polygraphs. He lied there, and then he 130 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: did the most heinous thing a cop could do. He 131 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: used his authority, not only abused his authority, but used 132 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: his authority and the cultural trust put in him by parents, 133 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: by society. Run to a police officer, little boy, little girl, 134 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: if you're in danger. He abused that and put fear 135 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: in the heart of a child by telling them they 136 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: were under surveillance and they and their family were in danger. 137 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: If she didn't do the most vile things for him, 138 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: he deserves life in prison, not counseling. He deserves life 139 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: in prison for the public corruption, and life in prison 140 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: for what he did to this kid. I have zero tolerance, 141 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Nancy for corrupt cops, zero toler well and John Cardillo. 142 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: I guess you know this gives you job security. Randy Kessler, 143 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: a defense attorney out of Atlanta. But John Cardillo, if 144 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: we've got him threatening and intimidating and sending explicit videos 145 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: and photos of himself to her, a grown man, it's 146 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: like a cockroach. Okay. If he's doing this now with 147 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: one girl, in my mind, there's no telling how many 148 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: others he's tried it with or done it with. Yes, 149 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: we used to. When I looked at these cases when 150 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: I was active and then again on that task force 151 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: at a Harvard we speculated conservatively, and this was due 152 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: empirical data that for every case we knew about, there 153 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: were seven to eight victims we didn't So, Nancy, I 154 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: will hardly agree with you. I think that there are 155 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: many many other victims that could possibly come out of 156 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: the woodwork. Once this guy's online identities are revealed to 157 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: the public and other other data points about it, parents 158 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: kids might perk up and say, oh, man, we were 159 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: chatting with this guy online as well. But his online 160 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: name was ABC one two three, not x y Z 161 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: two three four, So that's gonna be left to be seen, 162 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: but it would not surprise me. In fact, I would 163 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: expect that to be the case. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 164 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: Accordance to the thirteen page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty 165 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: five year old deputy would refer to himself as Geno 166 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: and Daddy, and the minor as baby girl. Prosecutors say 167 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: the two met online back in twenty fourteen, when the 168 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: victim was twelve. Over the years, authorities say the girls 169 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: sent him hundreds of explicit photos of herself. She's now 170 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: seventeen and reported two police this past spring. She believed 171 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: the Texas deputy was tracking her movements via social media, 172 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: and he was allegedly threatening to publish her explicit photos 173 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: or rape her sister if she didn't continue to send 174 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: him nude pictures. You're hearing our friend Eric Kane at 175 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: WHDH News seven and that's not all joining me right now. 176 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac she believed 177 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: he was watching her twenty four seven three sixty five. 178 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: Is it true he would pick out her clothes for jewelry? 179 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: This is a twelve year old little girl. We're talking 180 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: about absolutely. He actually had her so under his thumb 181 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: for so long that he had her where she had 182 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: to actually take pictures of what she was going to 183 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: wear before she went out. She had to share passwords 184 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: with all of her online things that she would chat 185 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: with other people, so that he could read and see 186 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: her chats and who she was talking to. So we 187 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: went beyond just what she was wearing where she was going. 188 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: He told her and convinced her that she was his 189 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: property and that there was nothing she could do without 190 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: his permission. And by the way, Nancy, you mentioned something 191 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: a minute ago about others. Possibly one person has come forward. 192 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: She's fifteen years old. The police are investigating that one 193 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: right now. Let me ask you this day, Matt, what 194 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: was his online handle? Did he have a fake name 195 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: he used online? He actually used Gino actually on Facebook. 196 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: I went and tried to pull up his page. He 197 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: wanted her to call him either Gino or daddy. Oh 198 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: please Gino g I n yes, ma'am, because if you 199 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: have any information regarding this guy. Former deputy share of 200 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: Pasqual Salas sa Las goes under screen named Geno g 201 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: I n O call six one seven seven four eight 202 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: three two seven four repeat six one seven seven four 203 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: eight three two seven four. Now it's my understanding a 204 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: cyberstalking charge as a sentence up to five years behind 205 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: bars in a fine of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 206 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: This guy does not have two hundred fifty thousand dollars. 207 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: But that's cyberstalking, swich he obviously did. But what about 208 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: enticement of a minor and lude lascivious behavior? And I 209 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: would consider this to be purveying and exchanging child pornography? 210 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: What about that? Kesseler with me? Randy Kessler, renewed defense attorney. 211 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: What about it? Kessler? I think he's guys in trouble, 212 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, and your guests are commenting about how this 213 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: guys shouldn't get counseling. I'm not saying you should get counseling. 214 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: You asked me, how do you defend him? You throw 215 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: everything out there except for jail time, because when he's 216 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: in jail, it doesn't matter what the sentence is. Once 217 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: he's in jail for one day, the other prisoners are 218 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: going to take care of him. And that's no place, 219 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: not jailhouse justice. Again, I've only known in my life 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: of three people that got jailhouse justice out of the 221 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: millions of people that go to jail who talks. And 222 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm not even including Epstein in that because he may 223 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: may m y capital m have a committed suicide. So 224 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm not relying on inmates to do my business for me. 225 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: I want to put him in jail. I want to 226 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: senence him. I don't want to count on them to 227 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: do it. And you did, in fact say get him counseling. 228 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: You did say that. Counseler, we all heard it, asked 229 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: how to defend them, I said, you throw out every option, 230 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: because when he's in jail, he's in trouble. So that's 231 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: absolutely what you do. You throw every single option, every 232 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of counseling, every kind of program, every kind of 233 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: environment that keeps him from being in jail where people 234 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: are going to do jail house justice, and you know 235 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: what happens, and you can talk about it and not 236 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: talk about it. He's not going to be a leader 237 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: in the jailhouse, that's for sure now. No, he won't be. 238 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, former NYPD with Harvard Law School's Internet 239 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: Safety Tech Task Force, again, explain to me how you 240 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: can innocently go from playing a game of Minecraft, because 241 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: my son I love him so much, He's always building 242 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: me mansions on Minecraft. It's like, look, mom, look at 243 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: this mansion I build out of pearls. Let me just 244 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: say that at or diamonds. I build this for you. Mon. 245 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: Look and it's got this, and it's got that, and 246 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: it's near a lake and it's got an underground bunker 247 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. And he's so innocent 248 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: and so sweet and now he's got his sister. They 249 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: play it together. I don't know how you do that, 250 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: But how do you go from playing an innocent game 251 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: too you're in a private chair and with a purv 252 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: oh you know, look, these people are in manipulative So 253 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: your kids are about the same age as my niece 254 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: and nephew. My nephew's fourteen, my nieces eleven, and my 255 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: brother is constantly the leading their social media because they're 256 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: kids and they do innocent things. At a pool in 257 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: the backyard, my knees will put on Instagram pictures of 258 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: her in a bikini jumping into the pool. That throws 259 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: my brother into a livid frenzy and he deletes them 260 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: because we know, yeah, from the work I've done that 261 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: you know there are pedophile dream they would exploit that, right, 262 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: And so the key for parents it's very easy for 263 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: the bad guy to chat up the kid because, like 264 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: I said previously, they already have a mutual interest, they're 265 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: playing the same game. He's got his in and I 266 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: say he because in the cases we've come across, over 267 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of child sexual predators are men. Women 268 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: are very rare, and typically when women are involved, they 269 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: were coursed into it by the man. They're typically beaten 270 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: and we're a victim prior themselves, similar we saw in 271 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: the Epstein case. And so what we have here is 272 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: they're very manipulative and these guys are very smart. The 273 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: other problem, Nancy, is there's really no profile on them. 274 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: I was sitting in a steakhouse not long ago and 275 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: a friend of mine said, I can't wait to find 276 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: out how you're going to work you at a steakhouse 277 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: into this story, but playse go ahead. Well, no, we 278 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: were sitting in a steakhouse, me and a couple of 279 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: guys about my age and similar backgrounds education, and one 280 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: of them we were talking about these cases and they said, well, 281 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: what's the you know, what do we look for with 282 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: our kids? What's the profile of a pedophile? And I 283 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: said us every other guy in this room, there really is. 284 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: There really is no profile. Oftentimes you'll find their middle class, 285 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: upper middle class, affluent because they need a private place 286 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: to do these things, access to technology, and in these cases, 287 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: going back to your point, they already have a common 288 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: interest with the child. So now you have somebody that's 289 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: relatively well educated. They're playing the same game. They know 290 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: the characters the kids gravitate too, so they've got that 291 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: in which as an adult it seems very rudimentary to us, 292 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: but to a kid it's relatively sophisticated when they begin 293 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: talking to them and explaining the nuances of the character 294 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: and how they also like them. So for the grooming 295 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: component of it for the pedophile is very easy. A kid, 296 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: for lack of a better terms, is an easy mark. 297 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying this through Is it true, Dave 298 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Mac that he would call her every single night and 299 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: threaten her with what would happen if she did not 300 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: pick the phone up? Yes, And Nancy, it was even 301 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: worse than that, because as she got a little bit older, 302 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: she started cutting off ties. She wanted to separate from 303 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: him a couple of years ago, and he then started 304 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: getting sneaky. He started using other phones, He used numbers, 305 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: and he used programs that could mask who he was 306 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: calling from or where he was calling from, so that 307 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: she would answer the phone. He was just all about 308 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: tying this girl up in knots in every way that 309 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: he could. And it was multiple times a day, not 310 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: just once a day that he called her. He would 311 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: call her and keep her tied up so that she 312 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: could do nothing else. He is accused of soliciting this 313 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: little girl, starting at age twelve, to send him hundreds 314 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: hundreds of sex images and videos of herself through multiple 315 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: social media platform and then he in return sent her 316 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: sex explicit photos of himself to this little girl now. 317 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: In a statement, the local Madagorga County sheriff's office said 318 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: he had been relieved by the department. I guess that 319 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: means fired. It was a total surprise to them when 320 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: the FBI notified them about his arrest. He had no 321 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: recorded notice, they said, recorded issues at the sheriff's office. 322 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: How can that be to John Cardillo? How can that 323 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: be that he seems so normal? Now, we had a 324 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: case like this with a North Carolina deputy of several 325 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: years back, similar situation, a well regarded guy, community resource deputy. 326 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: He was the guy that would go around the store 327 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: owners in schools and got them anything they needed. It's 328 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: impeccable record, community awards. He wasn't on the radars. These 329 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: are the crimes that keep police awakened, ny name, so 330 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: you know this is a prosecutor that kept you awake 331 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: as well. These ones you can't see coming by all 332 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: rights and accounts, this guy was a vetted, qualified, certified 333 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement officer in the state of Texas. His peers 334 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: didn't see anything abnormal about him. And this is typically 335 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: and terrifyingly what we see in these cases. They're very 336 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: good at covering their tracks. I mean, had he given 337 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: any indication that this was his proclivity, he wouldn't have 338 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: been hired by this sheriff's office. But he didn't. He 339 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: passed the flying colors, got his badge, got his gun, 340 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: and he was really the ultimate predator. Once you have 341 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: that law enforcement authority, that badge, that gun, that patch 342 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: on your shoulder, you really are the ultimate predator. If 343 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: you're a nefarious person Hi, guys. Fancy Grace here, a 344 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: beautiful mom of two. In fact, I call her a 345 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon look alike because its a lot of pictures 346 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: that's exactly who she looks like. The mother of two 347 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: beautiful little children, including an eight year old little girl, 348 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: is found dead in a bloody bathtub a slip and fall, 349 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: and her eight year old daughter Anna is the one 350 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: that found her. This Saturday, six o'clock Eastern five Central 351 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: on Oxygen Injustice with Nancy Grace, we investigate the death 352 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: of Shelley Danishevsky because I do not believe this was 353 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: a slip and a fall, and from what I can see, 354 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: there has been a grave injustice on many levels. Please 355 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: join us in a search for the truth. This Saturday, 356 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: six pm, Eastern, five Central Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys. 357 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace him and alleges years of 358 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: manipulation and control where he would force her to follow 359 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: his rules, some of them included when going out outfit 360 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: must be approved by me. No guys around, period, And 361 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: he told her you belong to me. You're my property, 362 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: so I can treat you however I want. If she 363 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: did not comply, he threatened her with sexual violence. The 364 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: deputy is now in custody. The deputy under arrest will 365 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: go before I Judge in Texas tomorrow. Eventually he'll be 366 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: extradited here to Massachusetts to face the cyberstocking charges. You 367 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: are hearing our friends at whd H Action News, and 368 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: that was reporter Eric Kane who has been investigating this 369 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: along with us. Not only that, this sheriff's deputy, Piscoal Salas, 370 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: also threatened punishment on this twelve year old little girl, 371 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: including gagging her, choking her, and other sex explicit actions. 372 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: This all started when she was just a little girl, 373 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: and he would threaten to send the photos of her 374 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: to her family her friends to intimidate her into sending 375 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: him more sexually explicit material. He threatened her not to 376 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 1: change her passwords or her social media accounts so he 377 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: could continue to access them. He threatened to physically harm 378 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: her and rape her and her sister if she did 379 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: not obey every single one of his orders. She tried 380 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: to break it off, but every time she was met 381 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: with threats. According to the affidavit she provided that we 382 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: have obtained, she said that quote Gino called her almost 383 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: every night and required her to stay on the phone 384 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: with him for hours at a time in the middle 385 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: of the night that she could barely function during daylight 386 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: hours and struggle to maintain a normal life. Now, hold 387 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: on just a minute, where are the parents during all 388 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: of this? Randy Kessler, you've raised children before. Now, true, 389 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: you are a defense attorney. But Randy Kessler, how could 390 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: the parents didn't know she's on the phone in the 391 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: middle of the night for hours on end. Well, you're 392 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: a parent to and kids are smarter than parents nowadays, 393 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: and kids understand technology. Bet well, spake for yourself. Knock 394 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: on wood. I bet you stuff. You don't even know 395 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: your kids are doing. Even Nancy Grace has you know it? 396 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: May you know what? They may be doing it as 397 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: we do. You shut your mouth over right now. Bet 398 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: your kids just lead John David Lucy out of this. 399 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: They've done dirty jokes and things. But your kids are 400 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: better than the average, that's for sure, one percent. But 401 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: I'm sure, okay, just a natural instinct, right do stuff 402 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: we don't want mommy and daddy to find out about. 403 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: Mommy Daddy don't know stuff they're old that happens, and 404 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: that's Unfortunately with this guy's praying on look aside from 405 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: him being a horrible person, being a law enforcement officer, 406 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: it's it's double you know, bad for him. If he 407 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: goes to jail, he is just going to get it, 408 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: and he probably deserves it. I don't know if I 409 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: take his case, if I was, the question for defense 410 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: is he the one who did it? Not is what 411 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: he did? Okay? Is there defense to it? There's not 412 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: a lot of defenses to it. The only defense is 413 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: you better line it up. It'll be absolutely sure you 414 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: got the right guy, because if it's not the right guy, 415 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: then it's a track. Well, I guess you could attack 416 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: it forensically Randy Kessler regarding but then they've got the 417 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: IP address and there's so many thousands of communications. I mean, 418 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: he says he's with law enforcement. They can track it 419 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: to his home computer and IP address. He sends photos 420 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: of himself, and it's I mean, you know, they can 421 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: track that. They can see his face, they can see 422 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: his body and identify that that is him. So you 423 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: can't get out of it that way, right, And he's 424 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: been doing it so long you probably got very comfortable, 425 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: very secure, and very lazy. Didn't go to an internet 426 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: shop or a WiFi shop. He probably did everything from 427 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: his house, thinking I've never been caught yet. Winter. He 428 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: probably didn't even realize how wrong it was after he's 429 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: done it for so long. It's just these people that 430 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: have it's got to be metal disorder right now, Oh, 431 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: don't start with disorder plays. I was just waiting for 432 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: you to go there, Mandy Keusser, Do you have no 433 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: shame at all? Just answer that that's yes. No, Do 434 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: you have no shame? I have no shament seeing that 435 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: this guy's got mental problems of it. Okay, all right, okay, 436 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: you know here's another thing. Dave Matt, correct me if 437 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm wrong with me. Dave Matt Crime online dot Com 438 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. She tried to end contact with this deputy 439 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: sheriff and told him her parents quote knew everything, and 440 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm learning this from the affidavit. Okay, she blocked a 441 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: cell phone. She blocked him from all of her social contacts. 442 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: Then he started to text her from a phone with 443 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: an unrecognizable number. He also introduced her to two other 444 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: men online, identifying themselves as Johnny and Levi. According to 445 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: her affidavit, forced her to send photos to Levi, but 446 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: no one else has been charged with the crimes. Do 447 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: you think Johnny and Levi are real? Or where the 448 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: photos go to him under a different name? You know, Nancy, 449 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: it's a great question, because this guy was conniving. I 450 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: actually think he forwarded some out. I was looking through 451 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: that paperwork just for that reason. But I do think 452 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: that he actually shared some of the photos and videos 453 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: with some of his so called friends. One other point 454 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: to make too, is you talked about the pictures and 455 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: whether he could claim it wasn't him. Well, it's gonna 456 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: be really tough for him to claim that the picture 457 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: of him in uniform in his squad car a video 458 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: on patrol that he sent to her. It's gonna be 459 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: tough to prove that's not him. Wasn't well well wait wait, 460 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: did he have on all his clothes? Yes? He it 461 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: wasn't it was not Well, I'm going to assume that 462 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to take that back. I don't know he 463 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: was in his uniform in his share. I mean, he 464 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: sends all these sex videos and pictures, Why send one 465 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: with your clothes on? Yeah, because he was on patrol 466 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: and trying to prove that he was. I figured it 467 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: was part of the control. He's saying, see, yeah, yeah, yeah, 468 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: I think you're right. We also know that he bought 469 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: her gifts, including jewelry edible arrangements. Okay, so that's slight 470 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: when they send you like pineapple and strawberries on sticks 471 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: like their flowers. Itune gift cards gave her access to 472 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: his Amazon Prime account, so all of that can be 473 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: traced back to him. John Cardillo got a question. She 474 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: blocked him on social media. So let's just say you've 475 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: got a Twitter account and you block somebody. Do they 476 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: know immediately they've been blocked? How does that work? Now 477 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: they'll have to go to the account, try to find 478 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: you and realize they can no longer see you on 479 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: Facebook or Twitter. But then all they really need to 480 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: do is they need to just set up a new 481 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: account right under a different name. And if you don't 482 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: and go into say Twitter or Facebook and also disable 483 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: the ability for a person you're not friends with or 484 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: that you don't follow or follows you to send you 485 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: private messages. They can then contact you again, very very easily. 486 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: So you block me, Nancy, and I want to get 487 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: in touch with you, I just create a new account, 488 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: and if you don't disable private messages, I say, Hey, Nancy, 489 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: it's Cardilo. Hahaha. You thought you locked me. It didn't. 490 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm still able to contact you, which they did. But 491 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't you have to be very tech savvy to know 492 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: all that I mean? But a regular person know all that? 493 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean? When you block somebody, do they know that 494 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: they've been blocked? To know only if they proact, if 495 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: you tell them, or they proactively go to contact you 496 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: and search for your profile. But to answer your question, 497 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: a sheriff's deputy would know that. A sheriff's deputy would 498 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: certainly know that because they would use that even though 499 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: he was a road patrol deputy in these smaller agencies, 500 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: and I was at the NYPD. We've got forty thousand cops, right, 501 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: We've got detective bureaus, detective squads. But in these smaller agencies, 502 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: oftentimes the road patrol deputies will do investigations. I was 503 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: shocked to find out that Hampshire State troopers act as 504 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: prosecutors in miscommunic cases. They actually go because the state 505 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: is so small and understaffed, there's no prosecutor in the 506 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: room for certain misdemeanor cases, so it's not uncommon for 507 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: uniform law enforcement officers to conduct investigations as well. He 508 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: probably would have gotten basic training and the fundamentals of 509 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: how internet investigations work. He would have known this. But 510 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: let me add something that's being missed in this story. 511 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: The otherr crime here, Nancy. Every bad guy he's arrested, murderers, rapists, 512 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: domestic violence, abusers, serial drunk drivers, robbers, extortionists, they now 513 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: all have good grounds for appeal. Randy'll tell you that. 514 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first thing a defense lawyer 515 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: is going to now do is say, well, how do 516 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: we know what he said on the stand was truth full? 517 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: He lied to the department about his proclivities. He passed 518 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: the psychological which means that the department psychological evaluations are flawed. 519 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: So there might be a lot of other bad guys. 520 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna do heinous things to people walking free very 521 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: soon because of this guy. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 522 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: The Feds say the two met online when the girl 523 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: was only twelve, and prosecutors say this sheriff deputy would 524 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: manipulate and threaten her all the way from Texas, a 525 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: Texas sheriff deputy accused of cyberstocking a Wooster County teenager 526 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: through the popular video game Minecraft. According to the thirteen 527 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty five year old deputy 528 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: would refer to himself as Geno and Daddy, and the 529 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: miner as baby Girl. Prosecutors say the two met online 530 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen, when the victim was twelve. Over 531 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: the years, authorities say the girls sent him hundreds of 532 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: explicit photos of herself. She's now seventeen and reported to 533 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: police this past spring. She believed the Texas deputy was 534 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: tracking her movements via social media, and he was allegedly 535 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: threatening to publish her explicit photos or rape her sister 536 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: if she didn't continue to send him nude pictures. That's 537 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: our friend. At actiones seven, WHDH Eric came porting and 538 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: indictment goes down on a deputy sheriff arrest of her 539 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: cybrus talking. We keep saying a team. But she was 540 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: only twelve years old, innocently playing Minecraft at home with 541 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: her family when the whole thing started with me. John 542 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Cardillo from an NYPD, Randy Kessler, renowned defense attorney, and 543 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: Dave matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Cardillo. 544 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: You were saying that because of what he's done, he 545 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: is jeopardized hundreds, if not thousands of cases because he 546 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: now could have been cross examined on the stand every 547 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: time he testified to Randy Kessler, how does that work? 548 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: You know, credibility is always an issue when he's the 549 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: prosecuting witness and he's the one. I arrived and I 550 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: saw the dependant doing X, Y and Z. You know, 551 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got to say, and you 552 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: would tell the truth always right, there's nothing you've ever 553 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: lied about, and you go right into what he's lied 554 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: about him when he's covering up, and then you get 555 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: into it. You don't ever want to put him on 556 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: the stand as a prosecutor. You can't. He's done well. 557 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: I remember very well. I don't know if you remember this, 558 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: Randy Kesser, because we were in the same jurisdiction at 559 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: the time, me prosecuting, you defending. But I had worked many, 560 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: many cases with three vice detectives and we had just 561 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: been working on a child prostitution ring. I had been 562 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: out on the street with these three specifically, either all 563 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: three one or two of them in various combinations every 564 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: day trying to crack this ring. We finally did it. 565 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: We took it to trial at a star thirteen year 566 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: old witness. Long story short, I got a mistrial in 567 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: my opening statement because I called the defendant a pimp. Well, 568 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: retried it, got a conviction. About let's just say six 569 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: months later, I happened to look up at the TV 570 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: and I see what looked to be these three guys 571 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: in orange jumpsuits in federal court. I couldn't really tell 572 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: if it was them, because you know, in federal court 573 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: there are not cameras, so all I had were those 574 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: horrible sketch artists, you know, likenesses, and I'm like, dang, 575 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: that looks like them. Well, lo and behold it was them. 576 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: They had been ripping off dopers, dope lords of their 577 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: plasma TV screens, their gold chains, all their money, whatever 578 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: they had laying around, and they had been doing it 579 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: for so long, the dopers, the dopers actually went to 580 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: the cops, and the cops set up The Feds, of course, 581 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: set up cameras and stung the three vice cops. And 582 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: I thought, first of all, I couldn't believe it. Because 583 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 1: I thought that I knew them so well. Then I 584 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: immediately thought, oh, my stars, all the cases they have 585 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: ever testified in are now going to be reversed. That's 586 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: a sobering thought. Randy Kessler. I'm sure you were just 587 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: throwing up in your mouth when you saw that on 588 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 1: TV and taking all those successful prosecutions you had as 589 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: a prosecutor right out the window. And there's nothing worse 590 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: for a prosecutor that's done such a good job like 591 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: you to see. I'm sure, oh my star, So what 592 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: you're saying, John Cardillo is absolutely correct. Yeah. I mean, 593 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: I've seen it happen sadly. Right, So you go back 594 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: to the worst of the worst. This guy's arrested. Now, 595 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: the fortunate part of this year, it was only a 596 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: deputy for a few years. So hopefully in that time 597 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: he only had dozens, maybe you know, under a hundred 598 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: of these serious arrests. Hopefully you know far and less. 599 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: You know what, I still don't get, Cardilo. I've asked you, 600 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: this is now my third try. That's what I would 601 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: always do in court if I couldn't get the answer 602 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: I wanted or understood, I just keep trying in a 603 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: different way, I still don't understand how you go from 604 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: playing Minecraft to suddenly being in a chat room. How 605 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: do you get into a chat room? I mean physically, 606 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: how do you go from the game into a chat room? 607 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't understand that, right, And let me give you 608 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: a specific answer on that. It's not a chat room 609 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: like we're thinking of back in the nineties when AOL 610 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: had chat rooms. In these games, there's typically just a 611 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: chat bar on the side, and players are given the 612 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: option of moving that chat to a private chat So 613 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: it's really just there would be like a scrolling screen 614 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: on the side of the monitor with people making various 615 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: comments on the game, commenting on the players, on the characters, 616 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: and that you do have the option. Players do have 617 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: the option to move into a private chat area or 618 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: make their chat private, so that typically it's innocuous, an 619 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: innocent right. It's just a group of people will play 620 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: the game and they don't want all that chatter bogging 621 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 1: down their conversation because there might be six or seven 622 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: other people in the public chat populating the chat browser 623 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: in between them replying to one another. But it's then 624 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: certainly an effective tool for bad guys to groom children. Hey, 625 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: ABC one two three, child, Do you want to move 626 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: this chat private? Yes, they move at private and then 627 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: they're in a chat room. But don't think of it 628 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: in the context of chat rooms like we saw in 629 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: the early days of the Internet. It's simply the scrolling 630 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: public chat. Okay, let me understand something else, and this 631 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: is to you, Dave matt with me Crime online dot 632 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: com investigative reporter where you can find this and all 633 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: other breaking criming justice news that Crime online. Dave Mackett 634 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: seems to me that every time he shared a sexually 635 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: explicit photo of this twelve year old little girl, that 636 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: that in itself would be another count for which he 637 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: should be charged. They're not even close to finished with 638 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: the charging stuff yet, Nancy. What we got was the 639 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: thirteen page indictment, and we've got all that information that 640 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: we've been sharing. But yeah, he's still facing the cyberstocking 641 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: charges in Massachusetts. What we're dealing with is just in 642 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: Texas right now. Once he gets the Massachusetts where the 643 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: victim lives, this takes on a whole new ball game 644 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: with a whole new set of charges where each one 645 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: of those photo where this girl was underage sexually explicit videos, 646 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: disgusting explicit chat said he had with that girl. And 647 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: remember she was twelve when this started. He was grooming 648 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: her to the point where she wanted to get away 649 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: before she was even fourteen. So you've got a girl 650 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: under the age of fourteen that was sending pictures and 651 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: things like that that he was using to threaten her with. 652 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be charges for each one of those videos, 653 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: each one of those pictures. What do we know about 654 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: him as a person, What do we know about his life, Dave. 655 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: We found out that he has only been a sheriff's 656 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: deputy for a couple of years. As Cardillo mentioned, though 657 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: this is a guy with a squeaky clean image, nobody 658 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: there had any clue he was only what twenty years 659 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: old the first year sheriff's deputy when he started this. 660 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: So he's actually been involved in luring this girl since 661 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: his first days as a sheriff's deputy, and nobody knew it. 662 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 1: They didn't know until the FBI said, hey, we're arresting 663 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: this guy. Now. They fired him right away, obviously, that's 664 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: why they say he's a former deputy. He was a 665 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: deputy up until a month ago. You know what. I've 666 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: also noticed that he has an AKA. People referred to 667 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: him as Gino. That's just not a screen name that 668 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: he was using. That's what of his akaas? What does 669 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: that mean to you? Kessler means he's very comfortable. He's not. 670 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: You know again, it goes to his metal you're not 671 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: gonna like this. It goes to his mental status. He 672 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: didn't think he was doing anything wrong. He was bold, 673 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: and that's who I am. He used his real name 674 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: with her. Why would he do that unless he was 675 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: thought he was impune or he was a law enforcement'll 676 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: never catched me. I'm above the law. It just goes 677 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: to his mentality. He just did not think he was 678 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: ever going to get caught, or that it was even 679 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: that bad. Yeah, you're right, You're right. He was pretty 680 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: arrogant to John Cardillo from an NYPD. We also know 681 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: that he used Skype and snap Chat, and I've learned 682 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: that from court documents. What if anything does that mean 683 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: to you as to how they're going to prove this case. Well, 684 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's left an incredibly robust digital trap, so 685 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: they're they're gonna make this case. The important thing is 686 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: now that the FBI is involved. The bureaus involved these 687 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: images typically I think federally right Carrie, sentences of up 688 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: to thirty years, depending on how implicit they are explicit 689 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: they are each So that's number one, he's in a 690 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: lot of trouble. Number two, the Bureau is probably going 691 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: to go back to his high school because, as Randy noted, 692 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: and they've noted, this guy was doing this while he 693 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: was a probationary deputy, meaning he was doing it while 694 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: he was in the academy, meaning he was doing it 695 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: before that. So they're probably gonna now go back to 696 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: high school and start talking to people that knew him, classmates. 697 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna, I believe they'll uncover a Pandora's box here. 698 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: But what Skype and Snapchat and all these other right now, 699 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: you can bet your bottom dollar subpoenas have been issued 700 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: to all of them for his entire history, and there's 701 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: a treasure trove of digital intelligence. So this investigation is really, 702 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: as they've noted in its early early stages, by the 703 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: time this has done, this guy's probably facing multiple life terms. Well, 704 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: we know the US Attorney's Office has announced a new 705 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: char carrying a mandatory fifteen year prison sentence of six 706 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: exploitation of a minor. We'll see where it goes. I 707 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: think the investigation goes on. But for all of you 708 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: parents listening, this all started on Minecraft and then moved 709 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: into a private chat room. We wait as justice unfolds. 710 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,479 Speaker 1: Tipline six one, seven, seven, four eight three two two 711 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: four repeat six one seven, seven, four eight three two 712 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: two four Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off. Goodbye friend,