Speaker 1: Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've never
Speaker 1: felt so old. We just had to google Rapper Plies
Speaker 1: after seeing him sit behind the bench at South Carolina's
Speaker 1: tourney game and see him gift Daunce Dally with this
Speaker 1: super sick gold chain flies. Have you guys heard Applies?
Speaker 1: What's next? You're going to tell me nineteen ninety one
Speaker 1: wasn't twenty years ago. It's Tuesday, March twenty fifth, and
Speaker 1: on today's show, we'll be talking to sports agent Alison
Speaker 1: Gaylor about launching her own agency straight out of college,
Speaker 1: betting on herself, navigating the new look college sports space,
Speaker 1: and the new scripted show that she's launching with longtime
Speaker 1: client Chaneo Guma Kay plus a team of divided loyalties.
Speaker 1: A slice gets us caught up on another type of balls,
Speaker 1: and it's time to join the scrum. It's all coming
Speaker 1: up right after this Welcome back Slices. Here's what you
Speaker 1: need to know today. Let's start with March Madness, where
Speaker 1: the Sweet sixteen is set. So let's tie a little
Speaker 1: bit on some of these second round games. Shall We
Speaker 1: First up Sunday's TCU Louisville matchup The so called Hailey
Speaker 1: van Lyth revenge game, with the TCU grads suiting up
Speaker 1: against one of her two former schools, as she spent
Speaker 1: the first three years of her career playing for the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and last season playing for LSU. In this one,
Speaker 1: Van Let's current team, TCU, a two seed, defeated number
Speaker 1: seven Louisville eighty five seventy worth remembering that TCU went
Speaker 1: one in seventeen in Big twelve Conference play just two
Speaker 1: seasons ago, and last year they had to hold open
Speaker 1: tryouts after forfeiting two games. Now well, now, the Underfrogs,
Speaker 1: aided by a few big name transfers including Van Lith,
Speaker 1: are headed to the programme's first ever Sweet sixteen appearance
Speaker 1: of any gender. Vanlth, a fifth year senior, has never
Speaker 1: had her season end before the Elite eight meantime. Number
Speaker 1: one overall seed UCLA is also headed to the Sweet
Speaker 1: sixteen thanks to an eighty four to sixty seven win
Speaker 1: over number eight seed Richmond, with Lauren Betts recording thirty
Speaker 1: points on fourteen of seventeen shooting and adding fourteen rebounds
Speaker 1: become the first UCLA player with at least thirty points
Speaker 1: and ten boards in an NCAA tournament game. This was
Speaker 1: a close one for a while. It was actually tied
Speaker 1: at thirty six at the half before UCLA pulled away
Speaker 1: and Richmond's Maggie Dugan did go out fighting after thirty
Speaker 1: points in the first round. She put up twenty seven
Speaker 1: points for the Spiders in the loss. On Sunday night,
Speaker 1: Next up for the Bruins a meeting with number five
Speaker 1: Mississippi in Region one. The action really heated up last
Speaker 1: night with the best game of the tournament so far,
Speaker 1: a double overtime thriller between Maryland and Alabama that saw
Speaker 1: Brenda Frees and the Terps fall behind by as much
Speaker 1: as seventeen in the third quarter before they battled back
Speaker 1: to force overtime and then hung on in the second
Speaker 1: extra session to win one eleven to one oh eight.
Speaker 1: Sarah Tibiasu came up huge down the stretch for Maryland,
Speaker 1: taking advantage of literally any little bit of daylight to
Speaker 1: drain threes and step back jays, and Sarah Ashley Barker
Speaker 1: shined in the loss. She put Bama on her back
Speaker 1: with a school record forty five points, the kind of
Speaker 1: game that honestly, you don't want to see either team lose.
Speaker 1: It was a thrill ride and shout out to front
Speaker 1: of the show and Maryland fan Kalayine Connigan, who is
Speaker 1: likely barely standing after that one. But the Terps advance
Speaker 1: where they will face Dawn Staley in South Carolina in
Speaker 1: the Sweet sixteen, that's going to be a tough one.
Speaker 1: Rest of the top seeds took care of business pretty
Speaker 1: handily on Monday. Number two LSU top number six Florida
Speaker 1: State one oh one seventy one, speaking of big performances
Speaker 1: and a loss to Nia lats in the nation's top
Speaker 1: score pretty much all season long. She had thirty in
Speaker 1: the loss for FSU number one Texas speat number eight
Speaker 1: Illinois sixty five forty eight, Number three Oklahoma top number
Speaker 1: six Iowa ninety six sixty two, and number two NC
Speaker 1: State bested number seven Michigan State eighty three to forty nine.
Speaker 1: Rest of the games happened later than our recording, so
Speaker 1: we'll catch you up on the rest of Monday's matchups
Speaker 1: tomorrow and we'll preview the Sweet sixteen later this week.
Speaker 1: To the Land of Scrums and Rocks, Women's Elite rugby,
Speaker 1: the new fifteen A side US based league launched over
Speaker 1: the weekend. The Boston Vanshie opened up play with the
Speaker 1: twenty nine twenty seven winner for the New York Exiles,
Speaker 1: while the Twin Cities Gemini defeated the Chicago Tempest twenty
Speaker 1: to fifteen. The two other teams in the league, the
Speaker 1: Denver Onyx and the Bay Breakers, will both hit the
Speaker 1: field for the first time this coming weekend. The thirty
Speaker 1: game Weer regular season continues through June fourteenth, followed by playoffs.
Speaker 1: Fans can watch every game for free on his own.
Speaker 1: A little more rugby news too, USTR. Alona Mar, who
Speaker 1: plays club rugby across the Pond, has a podcast launching
Speaker 1: today called The House of Mar. The show will feature
Speaker 1: Alona and her sisters Olivia and Adriana. We're sure it's
Speaker 1: going to be unhinged. Can't wait to listen. We got
Speaker 1: to take a quick break when we come back. We
Speaker 1: talked to agent Alison Gaylor joining us now. She's the
Speaker 1: founder and president of sports and entertainment agency Disrupt the Game,
Speaker 1: representing top female athletes including current and former Hoopers Cheneogumkay
Speaker 1: Kelsey Mitchell, Agelani Lisa Leslie, Kiki Eriefen, Anissa morro and
Speaker 1: soccer star Crystal Done. She's a graduate of Brown University
Speaker 1: and UCLA Law School, licensed by the California State Bar.
Speaker 1: We've kicked at Poolside and can and we've chopped it
Speaker 1: up at the Opera House in Sydney. It's Alison Gaylor.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Allison.
Speaker 2: Wow, we've been to several continents together. That's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: What should we do next? Antarctica?
Speaker 2: We could Shelley's Alice actually went to Antarctica, but that's
Speaker 2: really story.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, add it to the list. I want
Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning, and I don't think
Speaker 1: we've ever talked about this, but I'm curious about how
Speaker 1: you got started in the agent game, because I know
Speaker 1: a lot of kids grow up wanting to be ballplayers,
Speaker 1: and you did play basketball at Brown. When did the
Speaker 1: shift happen from dreaming of being maybe a pro baller
Speaker 1: to dreaming of being a pro agent.
Speaker 2: Well, growing up five eight, white and Jewish and being
Speaker 2: from LA I didn't have high hopes of my professional
Speaker 2: career and was reminded at a very young age that
Speaker 2: I better get to it on academics because my basketball
Speaker 2: career was only going to go so far, and to
Speaker 2: be honest, it got more.
Speaker 1: You got one? Come on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, it's an ongoing joke with most of my clients
Speaker 2: that I have five points to my NCAA Division one
Speaker 2: record books. But what I like to say is five
Speaker 2: more than most. That's right anyways. Usually usually Chiney will
Speaker 2: be like, I scored five in five seconds, but I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: that's nice anyways. But yeah, I got lucky. I grew
Speaker 2: up around the business, so I started interning for the
Speaker 2: La Sparks when I was seventeen, getting ready to go
Speaker 2: play it round. And my uncle has been in the
Speaker 2: business forever. He's a legend. He's Magic Johnson's longtime agent
Speaker 2: and best friend. And now yeah he's the uvpn CMO
Speaker 2: the Dodgers. So I'm very lucky that my uncle Lawn
Speaker 2: helped plug me early and then kind of open the
Speaker 2: door so I could run through it more or less.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious when you have an uncle, Lon Rose,
Speaker 1: than you're talking about who's working in the space. Not
Speaker 1: only do you probably get some cool perks in terms
Speaker 1: of game tickets, agetting to meet folks like Magic Johnson,
Speaker 1: but what was about what he was doing that appealed
Speaker 1: to you, especially as a kid. What did you see
Speaker 1: in the work he did that was like that looks awesome,
Speaker 1: really interesting question.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Sarah, no one's ever asked me that, which is fascinating.
Speaker 2: I think so because he was my uncle, right, he
Speaker 2: wasn't my parent. I got like enough access where I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't want like anything but this,
Speaker 2: like it's VIP or nothing from the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I didn't get handed everything
Speaker 2: because obviously, you know, his kids would come first, as
Speaker 2: it should, like I was his niece and I got
Speaker 2: I got lucky that he took me in, you know,
Speaker 2: and helped help me a ton, but I still kind
Speaker 2: of itched for more, I think to a certain degree.
Speaker 2: And my parents are amazing and my stepdad is an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: My mom was a longtime civil litigator. Like you know,
Speaker 2: they're amazing, but they weren't necessarily in the business of sports,
Speaker 2: and so I think for me. When I started interning
Speaker 2: at seventeen, I was a senior in high school and
Speaker 2: excited to go play, like I you know, I was
Speaker 2: very focused on basketball at that point and my playing career,
Speaker 2: but I hadn't ever been around the WNBA. I hadn't
Speaker 2: really seen the product. I hadn't been around you know,
Speaker 2: I got lucky. I was I was around practice, I
Speaker 2: was around games. I was around the players, I was
Speaker 2: around the GM, I was around the owners. I had
Speaker 2: I had access, and I realized that my I guess,
Speaker 2: my brain and my personality would be a really good
Speaker 2: fit for working in the business of sports. From that
Speaker 2: point on, it wasn't necessarily watching my uncle's career. It
Speaker 2: was more well, first of all, as a kid, he's
Speaker 2: pretty tall, He's like six', three SO i couldn't understand
Speaker 2: why he wasn't a player like he since me as a.
Speaker 2: Kid and THEN i, realized, like, okay he has a different,
Speaker 2: role but he still gets to live in the. Space
Speaker 2: AND i loved.
Speaker 1: Basketball, YEAH i mean just being around sports when it's
Speaker 1: something that you, love one thing THAT i find interesting
Speaker 1: and If i'm being completely honest and revealing a dark
Speaker 1: piece of my, SOUL i tried to get into pr
Speaker 1: WHEN i wanted to do like acting in comedy and.
Speaker 1: STUFF i thought, like, Oh i'll be near it and
Speaker 1: it's not as hard of a. Path AND i found
Speaker 1: it really hard to spend my time working on other people's.
Speaker 1: Dreams AND i think that's a very very specific skill
Speaker 1: set for an, agent is to be able to take
Speaker 1: a backseat to somebody else getting all the. Shine is
Speaker 1: that natural for you BECAUSE i love a. Spotlight It's
Speaker 1: i'm good at putting it on other people. Too BUT
Speaker 1: i don't know IF i could always be in the.
Speaker 2: Background, Yeah i'm Probably i'm probably too good at at
Speaker 2: putting my clients, first probably to a, fault, honestly to
Speaker 2: my own detriment at some, level because because of starting
Speaker 2: my own company and being on my OWN i should
Speaker 2: have done a better job kind of putting me front and.
Speaker 2: Center but even like being on this, podcast you, know
Speaker 2: you AND i have a great rapport and you know
Speaker 2: you've been proactive and reaching, out And i'm not good
Speaker 2: at putting myself out. THERE i. Should so maybe this
Speaker 2: is the start of a new era Of alison getting
Speaker 2: out there and.
Speaker 1: The good game bomb out.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, yeah, Exactly i'll give you all the. Credit but,
Speaker 2: YEAH i JUST i Think i've always been of the,
Speaker 2: mindset if you, know IF i put my clients first
Speaker 2: AND i do what they, need you, KNOW i do
Speaker 2: what needs to get done for, them Then i'll get
Speaker 2: WHERE i need to, go, Right like it's a natural.
Speaker 2: Byproduct if they, win you, KNOW i. Win and at
Speaker 2: some point IF i ever want a, linelight you know
Speaker 2: some limelight cool like, this even you Know chene AND
Speaker 2: i partner up on the, show like Ultimately china will
Speaker 2: get the. LIMELIGHT i mean that is the way we
Speaker 2: designed it that you, know we're partners in the company
Speaker 2: that we, started the production company and. Victorious But i'm
Speaker 2: always going to put my clients. First it's.
Speaker 1: Working my agent's not even on social. Media he's shady as.
Speaker 1: Hell he like, you he would you never see him
Speaker 1: on an, interview like how do you do? THAT i
Speaker 1: couldn't do. That you started shady as? Hell, well not
Speaker 1: just in the sense that he like he's he's always,
Speaker 1: there he sees it. All BUT i don't know from
Speaker 1: where he's viewing, It like what account are you looking
Speaker 1: at this? From if you're not on anything, anywhere we
Speaker 1: can't can't be found very Stakle.
Speaker 2: Well not since digress on that, point BUT i think
Speaker 2: agents are at an interesting juxtaposition in the business sports right,
Speaker 2: now where you have some very high profile agents that
Speaker 2: have put themselves out, there and then you still have
Speaker 2: some that are kind of in the shadows and purveying
Speaker 2: from a, distance like your agent is what it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like BUT i try to hit the middle ground where
Speaker 2: Like i'm visible but not visible to the. Detrina you, know,
Speaker 2: ultimately slients have to come, first.
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah you started your own agency a year out of.
Speaker 1: College why did you want to start your own shop
Speaker 1: and not join an existing? Agency get your feet wet
Speaker 1: for a while before you spun.
Speaker 2: Out i'm going to try to say this in a
Speaker 2: way that doesn't make me sound Like i'm feeling.
Speaker 1: Myself BUT i, MEAN i just literally SAID i could
Speaker 1: never do a job WHERE i just helped other people
Speaker 1: get the. Spotlight so, space this is the honest.
Speaker 2: Space safe space in front of. Everybody but that's. Fine
Speaker 2: SO i interned a lot through, school AND i was
Speaker 2: very naive and fullish and believed THAT i could figure things,
Speaker 2: out you, know along the. Way basically the best way
Speaker 2: to learn is child by, fire as long as you
Speaker 2: do your preparation and your research and you asked the right.
Speaker 2: Questions AND i felt pretty confident THAT i could do.
Speaker 2: THAT i definitely originally THOUGHT i was going to work
Speaker 2: at THE nba in their associate. Program that was my original.
Speaker 2: Thought i'll go do, That i'll work a little bit
Speaker 2: on THE, wnba and Then i'll start my. Agency and
Speaker 2: then the lockout. Happened this is. UH i graduated in twenty,
Speaker 2: eleven and SO i actually wrote a thesis about the
Speaker 2: potential for a lockout happening Because i'm nerdy like. That
Speaker 2: and then it. Happened and SO i think the social
Speaker 2: program like wasn't hiring or whatever it. Was AND i
Speaker 2: went to work for one other company for ten. Months
Speaker 2: it was like a subsidiary of this guy Named Jim
Speaker 2: plata and his, investments and he's a partnerwner of the
Speaker 2: Bust At celtics and Bought. Acerooma, anyway, BASICALLY i could
Speaker 2: have either gone to work at a bigger company or
Speaker 2: started my own. Thing AND i chose to start my own,
Speaker 2: thing bet on, myself BECAUSE i was, young AND i
Speaker 2: had a lot of relationships And i'm you, Know i'm
Speaker 2: good in a room And i'm good around. People AND
Speaker 2: i was basically told like they're either going to steal
Speaker 2: your clients or eat you. Alive so if you want
Speaker 2: to do it, yourself do it. Now do it when you're,
Speaker 2: young and you, know you can always fall back and
Speaker 2: go work for a bigger, agency but you might as
Speaker 2: well might as well. Try and If i'm gonna bet on,
Speaker 2: anyone it's it's gonna. Be. YEAH i love, that BUT
Speaker 2: i also HAD i had a backstop, too of you,
Speaker 2: know my parents helped pay for my life AS i
Speaker 2: was putting money into my, business which most people don't.
Speaker 1: Have, YEAH i love. That you admit. That it's so
Speaker 1: important because so many people listen to folks stories of
Speaker 1: getting started and they leave, out conveniently some of the
Speaker 1: things that allow that to. Happen how did you get
Speaker 1: your first?
Speaker 2: Client, so my first client was a woman Named sammy
Speaker 2: Pra hallis and She ohio. State was That ohio, state, yep,
Speaker 2: see you, know you know all the. Things she actually
Speaker 2: had a tattoo on her index finger that SAID sajj
Speaker 2: dot dot dot that she used to put to the
Speaker 2: crowd and.
Speaker 1: Ro that is absolutely.
Speaker 2: Sick she shoot badass for. Sure so SHE i met
Speaker 2: through two of my really close friends At brown that
Speaker 2: played on the men's team were close To Evan, turner
Speaker 2: And Evan turner was Dating. Sammy So evan AND i are.
Speaker 2: COOL i Met sammy at like his draft. Party we became,
Speaker 2: friends and then she kind of quickly, realized, oh Like
Speaker 2: alison knows THE, wnba she knows a lot of these,
Speaker 2: gms LIKE i trust to you, know kind of asked,
Speaker 2: me would you be my? Agent and then. Yeah and
Speaker 2: then at my first, JOB i basically took my first
Speaker 2: job AND i told my boss, like, Hey i'm going
Speaker 2: to work here for ten months and Then i'm going
Speaker 2: to start my own. Agency this Is june of twenty.
Speaker 2: ELEVEN i literally just, graduated AND i told, Him i'm
Speaker 2: going to work here for ten months and Then i'm
Speaker 2: going to go start my own agency in women's basketball
Speaker 2: with this like one player That i'm going to, represent
Speaker 2: who's going to be a top six overall. Pick she
Speaker 2: ended up being the six overall. Pick and he literally
Speaker 2: THOUGHT i WASNTS i, mean most people THOUGHT i was.
Speaker 2: Nuts this is this is thirteen years, ago when women's
Speaker 2: basketball was not a hot commodity at.
Speaker 1: All what did you learn in the early. Years because
Speaker 1: to your point about getting help from your, PARENTS i
Speaker 1: also love when people actually admit to. Failures if people
Speaker 1: are hearing about successful folks and think it's been an,
Speaker 1: easy breezy. Ride then when they have, failures they're, like,
Speaker 1: Oh i'm not cut out for. This SO i, wonder
Speaker 1: if you made a mistake on a contract or you
Speaker 1: lost a potential client due to, something what's something you
Speaker 1: learned having to learn on the?
Speaker 2: Fly knock on. Wood SO i did go to law
Speaker 2: school along the, way and that. Important i've never never
Speaker 2: messed up on a. CONTRACT i will ask any of
Speaker 2: my clients, Like i've never never done a bad, deal
Speaker 2: never made a mistake on their behalf that would cost,
Speaker 2: them you, know a. Dollar thank. God i'm maniacal when
Speaker 2: it comes to. Contracts but my biggest early failure besides
Speaker 2: like not you, know playing basketball through four years At
Speaker 2: brown and quitting after a, year which was not that
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the show up the, game
Speaker 2: BUT i think that definitely did a lot to fuel
Speaker 2: me to, success you, know in the world of basketball,
Speaker 2: postgrad BECAUSE i didn't have it on the. Court and
Speaker 2: it's still it's still one of my biggest. FAILURES i,
Speaker 2: mean to be, fair we were two and twenty. Six we're,
Speaker 2: trash and so it was easy to walk, AWAY i
Speaker 2: guess in that, respect but sort of. Easy my first
Speaker 2: failure was my first. Client sammy fired me before the
Speaker 2: end of that first, season her risky, season and and
Speaker 2: that was a really tough, blow But i'm better for,
Speaker 2: it and it's probably the best thing that could have
Speaker 2: happened to, me is experiencing that type OF i GUESS i.
Speaker 2: WAS i JUST i thought we, were you, know because
Speaker 2: we were so close AND i started this, thing and
Speaker 2: like it just, yeah like other agents kind of started
Speaker 2: poking around LIKE i. WAS i was twenty two and
Speaker 2: had never been you, Know i've never been a top
Speaker 2: player in THE. WNBA i wasn't a top player in.
Speaker 2: College like people were, like who the fuck is? It you,
Speaker 2: know basically, like, oh she only knows, things because one
Speaker 2: agent went and ran his mouth THAT i only knew
Speaker 2: things because my cousin was in the, Business like you,
Speaker 2: idiot at least get the family, number. Right but, basically
Speaker 2: When sammy fired, me that was that was a tough
Speaker 2: blow for. Sure BUT i had already Signed Lisa leslie
Speaker 2: at that, point AND i was, like you know, What
Speaker 2: i'm gonna put my head down And i'm gonna take
Speaker 2: this out even if, yeah you, Know lisa gave a
Speaker 2: lot to my name at a very early age and
Speaker 2: trusted in me when she didn't have. To that's for.
Speaker 1: Sure it's easy to get in a young person's ear
Speaker 1: about oh you picked. Wrong you need someone with more,
Speaker 1: experience you need SOMEONE i don't almost blame her at
Speaker 1: all for getting scared and going and running to something
Speaker 1: that seemed more stable and more like long, lasting or
Speaker 1: something that had more of proof of. Concept but what's
Speaker 1: great About lisa she had been around for a long
Speaker 1: time and gave you that credibility by joining you and
Speaker 1: believing that you could do something something. SPECIAL i know
Speaker 1: every day is, different but just for the listener who
Speaker 1: maybe don't understand where lawyer versus agent versus manager and
Speaker 1: can you just tell us a big picture what you
Speaker 1: do as an agent for these top level athletes and.
Speaker 2: Broadcasters, sure so we do everything pretty. Much it's three.
Speaker 2: Sixty it's everything from playing contract to nil stuff which
Speaker 2: is all like marketing to you, know from endorsements to
Speaker 2: speaking engagements to broadcast. Work you, know we represent Obviously
Speaker 2: Lisa leslie and Then Gheneg, womckay who are both both.
Speaker 2: Broadcasters so it really spans the. Gamut but that that's, purposeful,
Speaker 2: Right so if we sign a kid in high, school
Speaker 2: to a, kid you, know to a player that's about
Speaker 2: to retire and go into their second, career we really
Speaker 2: can and what what offerings are to best help them
Speaker 2: navigate where they're at in their. Career and SO i
Speaker 2: would say we're new to the high school, game which
Speaker 2: is a little bit, different but we have gotten pretty
Speaker 2: pretty active in college and you, know figuring out THE
Speaker 2: nil space and then helping players navigate THE nil space
Speaker 2: to the you KNOW wnba space and THEN wnba to
Speaker 2: kind of post. Career what does that look.
Speaker 1: Like about how many athletes you have right?
Speaker 2: NOW i think it's, sixteen about to be.
Speaker 1: SEVENTEEN i want to break any news right, now OR
Speaker 1: i need to get a contract side. First but, COOL
Speaker 1: i get, THAT i get. That how big is the
Speaker 1: disrupt The game?
Speaker 2: Team that's pretty. Small we are very small and, nimble
Speaker 2: but WE i would argue that relative to the bigger,
Speaker 2: agencies we have just as much time and resources and.
Speaker 2: Production it's just we're a smaller team with a smaller client,
Speaker 2: list and so we can give more of ourselves to those.
Speaker 2: Clients probably to a fault.
Speaker 1: Back To jackie.
Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah it all comes full. Circle So Jackie, jamalis
Speaker 2: who was a longtime client and played THE wnba in
Speaker 2: overseas for over a. Decade she started working At disrupted
Speaker 2: The game a couple of years ago and is just
Speaker 2: as a star and obviously you, know having been a former.
Speaker 2: Player she's also been an assistant coach in THE wnba
Speaker 2: for The New York. Liberty there's nobody that has the like,
Speaker 2: coach player and now agent that doesn't. Exist so her
Speaker 2: perspective is, super super rare and amazing and you'd love
Speaker 2: her when you guys, MEET i can't. Wait and then
Speaker 2: we have a small support staff otherwise like, logistics, accounting other.
Speaker 1: Stuff as an, Agent i'm sure you have felt acutely
Speaker 1: aware of the shift of the whole business of women's
Speaker 1: sports in the year since you got started back in twenty.
Speaker 1: Twelve where do you feel it? Most where is it
Speaker 1: Most Noticeablehere you're, like, wow this almost feels like a
Speaker 1: different business WHEN i, started.
Speaker 2: Literally right. NOW i MEAN i couldn't couldn't have. Predicted
Speaker 2: first of, all Like chane AND i is selling a
Speaker 2: scripted show based on our lives that hopefully will become
Speaker 2: what impact rage has. Had or you, Know jerry McGuire or.
Speaker 2: Whatever like there's never been a female version of. That
Speaker 2: And i'm not trying to inflate myself important in search,
Speaker 2: aise but like it's just it's never been done. Before
Speaker 2: but like that same, week we're closing a couple of
Speaker 2: partnerships For Anissa morrow And kikiriri often as they transition
Speaker 2: into you, know out of college into the W nba
Speaker 2: in the next, month THAT i could have never never saw.
Speaker 2: Coming it's it's an extraordinary time for these, women and you,
Speaker 2: know as a byproduct for us as. Well IT'S i
Speaker 2: could give you a list of the brands that we're
Speaker 2: working with right, now like literally in this, moment current
Speaker 2: active campaigns that our clients are, doing and it's it's.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable brands are showing up and and, Yeah i'm very
Speaker 2: fortunate to be Where i'm at right.
Speaker 1: Now is the biggest shift in the amount of? Sponsors
Speaker 1: is it the salaries you're? Negotiating is it resources and
Speaker 1: support that comes as a part of CBA's like is
Speaker 1: it just all of? Them everything is shifted dramatically.
Speaker 2: All of the. ABOVE i would, Say, also just we
Speaker 2: have seven N al clients right now and players are
Speaker 2: focused on playing In March, Madness, right we just tried
Speaker 2: to close every brand partner deal like if you will
Speaker 2: get Like niece Or Matty booker's social like you'll See
Speaker 2: kava or LIKE cvs or you, Know key's done a
Speaker 2: bunch of different. Things but like we had, to you,
Speaker 2: know kind of lock those before so that they could
Speaker 2: focus on the tournament and just get everything done. Beforehand
Speaker 2: at the same, time for the players that aren't seniors
Speaker 2: going to play in THE, wnba the transfer portal opens
Speaker 2: tomorrow and so there's all this pressure and people circling
Speaker 2: around these players of do you want to stay at your?
Speaker 2: School how much are you gonna get? Paid are you
Speaker 2: going to? Transfer are you going to? Transfer thinking that
Speaker 2: you might go back to your. School but just as a,
Speaker 2: negotiation it's all it's business at this point and a. Lot,
Speaker 2: yeah it's it's a lot at, once for.
Speaker 1: Sure so that's an incredible thing to be dealing, with
Speaker 1: just in the college side of, things which feels so
Speaker 1: professional in so many. Ways so, yeah that shift is
Speaker 1: huge for. Agents i'm kind of curious AND i want
Speaker 1: to get back to some other stuff around, sponsorships but
Speaker 1: you got me thinking about how do you keep up
Speaker 1: WITH cba, changes major shifts in college and how they,
Speaker 1: operate team dynamics or rumors or news about a team
Speaker 1: that might mean an opportunity or a slot is opening
Speaker 1: up the, News, like how do you keep up with
Speaker 1: all that so that you can negotiate for, clients because as,
Speaker 1: media it's hard for us to keep up with the
Speaker 1: way that everything is. Changing you have to be ahead
Speaker 1: of the game and know the things that aren't even out.
Speaker 2: Yet SO i used to THINK i was like a
Speaker 2: bit overqualified based on my academic. PEDIGREE i would, say
Speaker 2: you are, also and it's a part of what separates
Speaker 2: you and makes people want to listen to, you because
Speaker 2: you are so smart and went to AN Ivy week.
Speaker 2: School And i'm not saying like anyone with AN Ivy
Speaker 2: week degree else. More, yeah, yes but, well but the
Speaker 2: people that have have the academic SciTE and can and
Speaker 2: kind of figure stuff out with their, brain but also
Speaker 2: have the personality to figure out the relationship. Side AND
Speaker 2: i THINK i would Say i'm pretty good at. That
Speaker 2: you're really good at, That like there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of people that have. Both but that helps me stay
Speaker 2: ahead of the curve for. Sure right, now and like,
Speaker 2: NO i Mean i'm very confident about WHAT i do
Speaker 2: and HOW i do. It, yeah and every day just
Speaker 2: everything's changing really. Fast but as long AS i would,
Speaker 2: say law school help with that, too of just my
Speaker 2: ability to analyze and also skim things LIKE i can't
Speaker 2: read everything all the, Time but as long AS i
Speaker 2: know what's happening and where it's going and how HOW
Speaker 2: i advocate for my clients accordingly and make sure to your,
Speaker 2: point Like i'm ahead of things and not behind, them
Speaker 2: that's ALL i can. DO i, MEAN i can't be
Speaker 2: perfect all the, time but we, try AND i think
Speaker 2: it's an. INEVITABILITY i stayed out of THE nil space
Speaker 2: Until jackie AND i got after it last year, recruiting
Speaker 2: just in part to see how it was going to
Speaker 2: pan out and what the market was looking. Like was it?
Speaker 2: Sustainable are these brands going to keep spending year over
Speaker 2: year or is it just a drop in the bucket
Speaker 2: and a flash in the pan and then it's going to?
Speaker 2: Disappear and it. Is it is, sustainable and it's it's
Speaker 2: amazing what these you, know the opportunities are in front
Speaker 2: of these players right, now because there's a ton of
Speaker 2: brand dollars that are that are out into the. Ether
Speaker 2: with that, said there's a lot on their, plate like
Speaker 2: they have a lot of.
Speaker 1: Pressure you talked about the, relationships the ability to connect with.
Speaker 1: People in, part that's just folks around that will inform
Speaker 1: you in. Advance, hey just to heads, up this is
Speaker 1: coming down the. Pike this is probably an affect your,
Speaker 1: clients Or, HEY i don't know if you've heard about,
Speaker 1: this but this team said, this who said, this which
Speaker 1: is a huge part of being an, agent is sort
Speaker 1: of THE i scratch your, back you scratch mind kind
Speaker 1: of situation of like we'll give you information if you
Speaker 1: tell us, this or can you help out with this
Speaker 1: client if you, do you like that part of the
Speaker 1: business or is that hard for you to do the
Speaker 1: Whole let me take a meeting with someone that sucks
Speaker 1: and play.
Speaker 2: Nice that's definitely not my biggest strength Because i'm a
Speaker 2: straight shooter And i'm very, honest probably to a. FAULT
Speaker 2: i don't like all the, bullshit that's for. Sure with that,
Speaker 2: said it's an INEVITABILITY i have to deal with every.
Speaker 2: Day so SOME i, mean look in the w, space
Speaker 2: like it's too small for people to really be like
Speaker 2: assholes all the time and completely screw each other. Over
Speaker 2: AND i don't you, KNOW i don't really go after
Speaker 2: other people's clients like they don't really come after. MINE
Speaker 2: a part of WHAT i do have trouble with every
Speaker 2: day is how MUCH i could throw in my phone
Speaker 2: and actually do meaningful work as opposed to being on
Speaker 2: my phone and being accessible to clients and to people
Speaker 2: you know that we're working with and partners and all those,
Speaker 2: things and then the information you, know sharing of talking to,
Speaker 2: gms talking to head coaches and women's college. Basketball, YEAH
Speaker 2: i can't be everywhere all the, time but we try
Speaker 2: to keep our pulse on. Everything AND i do think
Speaker 2: the benefit of being a smaller agency in part is
Speaker 2: because there's one person talking to on behalf of our
Speaker 2: clients or. Two as it relates To jackie and, me
Speaker 2: you don't have like there's not a marketing person who
Speaker 2: doesn't talk to our clients or to you, know like
Speaker 2: it's just right we move quick because we were in
Speaker 2: locks up with our.
Speaker 1: Clients it's just fascinating to me how behind the scenes
Speaker 1: so much happens that people are unaware. Of and sometimes
Speaker 1: it feels like these tentacles exist publicly that people don't
Speaker 1: know are part of the machine behind the. Scenes when
Speaker 1: a reporter breaks something about someone that's particularly, positive sometimes
Speaker 1: that says a thank you for something that that agent
Speaker 1: did for them in relation to some other breaking story
Speaker 1: that they, wanted and all of that ecosystem is kind
Speaker 1: of fascinating to think about from the. Outside you, KNOW
Speaker 1: i want to ask back to. Sponsorships for such a long,
Speaker 1: time the sponsorship game that did exist for the women's
Speaker 1: game was the hot ones, right sex. Sells the women
Speaker 1: with sex appeals seem to get the biggest, endorsements regardless
Speaker 1: sometimes of how their on field performance might have spoken
Speaker 1: to their talent or the size of their. Brand it
Speaker 1: feels like that's. Changing we're getting a wider variety of
Speaker 1: brands and sponsors in the. Space we're getting more multi
Speaker 1: dimensional idea of what these women are, masculine, feminine, villain you, know, funny,
Speaker 1: silly et. Cetera what have you seen behind the. Scenes
Speaker 1: are there some brands that are still pitching things and
Speaker 1: you want to tell, them, hey it's twenty twenty, five,
Speaker 1: like that's not how we're doing this.
Speaker 2: Anymore our, clientele we've never gone after The instagram following that,
Speaker 2: like isn't necessarily going to translate into THE. Wnba that's
Speaker 2: not my bag at all and not not super interesting for,
Speaker 2: us to be completely. Honest SO i don't know how
Speaker 2: that's going to. Evolve because a lot of players that
Speaker 2: do have a huge social media following in college but
Speaker 2: don't necessarily pan out in THE. Wnba you, know there's
Speaker 2: a dip in their business for, sure and they have
Speaker 2: to figure it out and roll into new. THINGS i
Speaker 2: think that. There as much AS i wish that there
Speaker 2: was more of a meritocracy in who gets brand deals and,
Speaker 2: endorsements it's not always a. MERITOCRACY i think the better you, play,
Speaker 2: obviously the higher the probability that you're going to get.
Speaker 2: Endorsements but it doesn't always work like. That it's doesn't
Speaker 2: just happen in. PARALLEL i WISH i wish it. DID i, mean,
Speaker 2: obviously social media following is a is a quantitative and
Speaker 2: qualitative way to ascertain following and impact and influence and
Speaker 2: all those. Things and some of my clients are not
Speaker 2: big social media. Girlies they're just not like they'd rather
Speaker 2: do what they do on the, court and they still
Speaker 2: have to fulfill the brand, stuff but they're not necessarily
Speaker 2: thinking every day like how DO i build my, following
Speaker 2: how DO i build my. Base hopefully the game will
Speaker 2: take care of, itself especially in big moments Like March
Speaker 2: madness in THE. Wna it's still not there yet in
Speaker 2: terms of you play really well and then you get.
Speaker 2: Opportunity And i'll also put an onus on us and
Speaker 2: on agents in, general like if you're not reaching, out
Speaker 2: brands will go. Elsewhere they kind of go to whoever
Speaker 2: they talk to.
Speaker 1: First and personality matters, too even on the men's. Side
Speaker 1: it's not just about sex. Cells there are some great
Speaker 1: men's players that just aren't great pitch people or don't
Speaker 1: have a really interesting and charismatic appeal to. Them and
Speaker 1: it certainly was more lopsided on the women's. Side it
Speaker 1: is getting, better. Thankfully and the nice thing about some
Speaker 1: social media is it is about some player's personality and
Speaker 1: not always just about whether they're the. Hottest it's sometimes
Speaker 1: about being funny or relatable or something, else and that
Speaker 1: is opening up a few more. OPPORTUNITIES i, think what's
Speaker 1: the next big change that will help women's sports take
Speaker 1: another step? Forward what's still getting in the way or
Speaker 1: what do you wish more brands or networks or investors
Speaker 1: knew that would help take a next big.
Speaker 2: Step this NEW cpa in THE wnba is going to
Speaker 2: be a huge change in a lot of ways if
Speaker 2: if we can get it where we need to, go
Speaker 2: we MEANING i mean ultimately Obviously i'm on the side
Speaker 2: of the players in the union and the rest of,
Speaker 2: agents BUT i think that there's such a where it's
Speaker 2: such like a pinnacle of, momentum and if we do
Speaker 2: a couple of the kind of right things to help
Speaker 2: keep building that, momentum the sky is literally the limit
Speaker 2: because the, MOMENTUM i, mean it's going to KEEP i
Speaker 2: Think chaney says on air all the, time like it's
Speaker 2: not a moment it's. Momentum you, Know it's, true it's
Speaker 2: it's it's been. BUILDING i would say it was building
Speaker 2: in the Last march madness last two years probably in
Speaker 2: these matchups and the personalities and the rivalries and all the.
Speaker 2: Things and then you take that right into like The
Speaker 2: Vegas New York, liberty you, know rivalry that's now a. Thing,
Speaker 2: WELL i guess they played In minnesota last. Year but, anyway,
Speaker 2: basically just like these these super teams in THE. Wa
Speaker 2: all these worlds have been colliding for a while that
Speaker 2: that are building up into this, Moment and if we
Speaker 2: get THE cba, RIGHT i think it's going to be
Speaker 2: LIKE i hate to, say like, cataclysmic but it's it's the.
Speaker 2: TRUTH i. THINK i think from like a salary, perspective
Speaker 2: from how how players, operate, perspective from a brand, perspective
Speaker 2: like if we get the salaries, right everything's going to
Speaker 2: go up because the cost to get these players to
Speaker 2: do things off the court is ultimately going to go
Speaker 2: up as the salaries go, up because the players aren't
Speaker 2: going to be as dependent for their income on you,
Speaker 2: know on these. ENDORSEMENTS i mean right now for most,
Speaker 2: agents or at least for my, business like most most
Speaker 2: of our business is. Endorsements that drives most of, what you,
Speaker 2: know what these players. Make and so between between salaries
Speaker 2: going up in THE wnda with this NEW cba and
Speaker 2: then you have this red share that's about to hit
Speaker 2: in women's college basketball and THE nil, space like it's it's,
Speaker 2: amazing what's happening right?
Speaker 1: Now, YEAH nwsl just renegotiated and updated THEIR. Cba we
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, yet have you seen.
Speaker 2: It you're an, AGENT i probably should have seen it by,
Speaker 2: Now But crystal's my only soccer client right now and.
Speaker 1: She's A, pesg SO i, guess, yeah you no longer
Speaker 1: need To you no longer need to. Know although you
Speaker 1: Know crystal going TO, psg it was part of a
Speaker 1: lot of, movement and that happens when the draft goes
Speaker 1: away in THE, nwsl when there's more international movement between.
Speaker 1: Leagues crystal was in the first of a three year
Speaker 1: deal it got. Them she just played one season. There
Speaker 1: we all expected her to be there for the length
Speaker 1: of that. Contract what can you tell us about what
Speaker 1: happened there and why she ended up moving TO psg mid.
Speaker 2: Contract, yeah when she signed that, contract we definitely wanted
Speaker 2: her to be At gotham for you, know the entirety
Speaker 2: year of. Contract that's why we wanted it to be
Speaker 2: a three year, deal and so did you Know. Gotham,
Speaker 2: unfortunately things don't always go to. PLAN i think for both.
Speaker 2: Sides it just didn't work out the way that we
Speaker 2: had all envisioned it to, be and you, know Ultimately
Speaker 2: crystal needed to be in another. Environment we did the
Speaker 2: best we could with the timing we had to figure
Speaker 2: it out and make sure that that she was going
Speaker 2: to be in a good environment for you, know for
Speaker 2: her and ultimately for you, know For gotham also to
Speaker 2: kind of move on without her and no hard, feelings
Speaker 2: none of. That it just it didn't fit the way
Speaker 2: we wanted it. To, yeah and, like, Look New york's
Speaker 2: home For, Crystal like we we did want it to,
Speaker 2: work but it's, sports and, yeah there's always a lot
Speaker 2: of factors that go into, happy successful partnership between a
Speaker 2: club and a, player and unfortunately that wasn't one that panned.
Speaker 1: Out, yeah it's nice to have A french, husband so
Speaker 1: her other home can be, Uh, paris which is. Decent,
Speaker 1: yes you, Know crystal obviously a, legend a veteran who
Speaker 1: is so, established and then you're working with up and
Speaker 1: comers like we talked about Usc Hooper keeek at your.
Speaker 1: Event she's just learning the. Space she's just starting to
Speaker 1: think about all the things that you're talking about with
Speaker 1: the business of. It how does your relationship change and
Speaker 1: how did their needs? Shift because it feels like you
Speaker 1: And cheney are like almost. Sisters you came up together
Speaker 1: figuring it, Out you've been working together for a dozen
Speaker 1: years or, whatever and then you've got someone Like kiki
Speaker 1: that maybe you feel a little bit more like a
Speaker 1: like a mom or an, aunt or like you got
Speaker 1: to take care of.
Speaker 2: Them so it's, interesting, Right lisa AND i started working
Speaker 2: together AND i was twenty, two so that dynamic already was, Like,
Speaker 2: Okay i'm your, agent but also sometimes you can like
Speaker 2: kind of mom me in certain, ways and like that
Speaker 2: was an interesting back and, forth and it still is.
Speaker 2: Interesting Obviously i'm thirty five, now but we still have
Speaker 2: a funny dynamic that. Way as you mentioned with Like
Speaker 2: cheney Or Elizabeth williams or other age. Mates let's say
Speaker 2: that we did come up together and we're like very
Speaker 2: close in, age like two or three years. Apart that's,
Speaker 2: different for, Sure and that's definitely the norm of WHAT
Speaker 2: i was used to BECAUSE i was mostly recruiting players
Speaker 2: through my twenties and now evolving into my, thirties and
Speaker 2: all of a, sudden kids are. Younger they're not the
Speaker 2: same generation THAT i. AM i don't understand some of
Speaker 2: the things they. SAY i have to google it OR
Speaker 2: i have to look it. UP i have to look
Speaker 2: it up on, TikTok because like you can't just google
Speaker 2: like google stuff, anymore and SO i Guess I've i've
Speaker 2: definitely had to evolve with the. Times and as much
Speaker 2: AS i used to be like the, young you, know
Speaker 2: kind of trying to hustle and figure it, out Now
Speaker 2: i'm a little bit more like established and to your,
Speaker 2: point more like mom Or auntie, vibes but like or
Speaker 2: like cool older sister vibes.
Speaker 1: Too, okay, yeah that feels better for. YOU i think.
Speaker 1: Cool i'm more fanancy at this. Point you're a coo older.
Speaker 2: Sister probably we're pretty close in.
Speaker 1: Age but that is so, NICE i, know but thank.
Speaker 2: You Now i'm literally asking some of my, Players LIKE
Speaker 2: i went to dinner With Avery, howell who's a freshman
Speaker 2: AT usc the other. NIGHT i was, Like, avery how
Speaker 2: old are? You just like? EIGHTEEN i was, like, WOW
Speaker 2: i Hope i'm not like bugging you at this, point
Speaker 2: and Like i'm decently.
Speaker 1: Cool because it's impossible to. Tell there's really no way to.
Speaker 1: Tell the only way to do it is to just
Speaker 1: try to not try to be, cool because that's more
Speaker 1: annoying than just existing and not being. Cool like the
Speaker 1: tryhard is the worst.
Speaker 2: Part, LOOK i have a broken toe right, now And
Speaker 2: i've been scooting around, literally and so that's been hilarious
Speaker 2: for all my younger, Clients like Even Maddy booker like
Speaker 2: noticed THAT i cut my feet off in a picture
Speaker 2: and like commented, about you, know LIKE i just. Look
Speaker 2: part of my job is being able to relate to
Speaker 2: people and ultimately be able to advocate for, them no
Speaker 2: matter if they're sixteen or you, know fifty, Plus like
Speaker 2: it is what it, is AND i Think i'm decently
Speaker 2: good at, that And jackie on my team is great
Speaker 2: at that, too just like we can connect with.
Speaker 1: ANYBODY i want to talk About kiky's part of the
Speaker 1: second season Of Full Court PRESS espn doc that's going
Speaker 1: behind the scenes with three college basketball players as they
Speaker 1: navigate the season last year with such a fun watch
Speaker 1: exciting batch this. Year how much pitching are you doing
Speaker 1: to get your player featured and how much are they
Speaker 1: seeking players out for stuff like?
Speaker 2: That So, HM i don't want to take credit at,
Speaker 2: all BUT i think relationships matter for opportunities like, that
Speaker 2: especially when there's let's say five players in women's college
Speaker 2: basketball THAT i think every network in every brand tries
Speaker 2: to go. To, First let's say maybe four and none
Speaker 2: of my clients are necessarily in that first four or,
Speaker 2: five but they're like that next tier right. After and
Speaker 2: that's not in a shot at them by any. Means it's,
Speaker 2: just you, know whether It's juju Or page or Flage
Speaker 2: a Or hannah A dog, like there's just you, know,
Speaker 2: yeah that's how it. Goes and If i'm not advocating
Speaker 2: for my next year of clients and making sure that
Speaker 2: they are first, up that's on. Me and so the
Speaker 2: good thing IS i do advocate for those and fortunately
Speaker 2: the powers that be AT, ESPN i, Mean Brian lockhart
Speaker 2: And Katzi fernandez were incredible at helping make sure that
Speaker 2: That kiki was you, know was prioritized, basically and on
Speaker 2: this one for two, PICULAR i wouldn't say That kigy said,
Speaker 2: like please go seek that, out BUT i would say
Speaker 2: that a lot of my other clients now after Seeing
Speaker 2: kiky in, it are, like, OH i want to do,
Speaker 2: that or, like, hey let's let's do you, know And
Speaker 2: i'm really you, Know i'm really.
Speaker 1: Sak hey where's?
Speaker 2: Mine where's?
Speaker 1: Mine? Hey, hey hey get me? Mine get me? My where's?
Speaker 1: My where's?
Speaker 2: My? Look, honest we all do.
Speaker 1: THAT i will do that to my agents And i'm, like,
Speaker 1: OH i saw that this person that you represent got,
Speaker 1: This like what DO i gotta do to?
Speaker 2: What WHAT i will give credit To jackie AND i
Speaker 2: to do is we try to get ahead of that
Speaker 2: where we we will try to predict how our clients
Speaker 2: will react as anything comes, out and so we try
Speaker 2: to tell people in, advance, like, hey this person's getting,
Speaker 2: this but like we know what you, know you're in
Speaker 2: your own lane and you're getting, This and we always
Speaker 2: SAY i always, say, like you, know you have to
Speaker 2: create your own lane and you're running your own. Race
Speaker 2: and if you comparison is the thief of, joy which
Speaker 2: is easy for an agent to say or to cover
Speaker 2: their own, ass.
Speaker 1: But it's true. Though that's life and you got to
Speaker 1: learn that. Early, yeah speaking of things that your clients
Speaker 1: might be jealous of that we're we're leading up to
Speaker 1: the big news you and your very special relationship With
Speaker 1: cheney has led to something completely, different the starting of
Speaker 1: your own production company and now this brand new. Project
Speaker 1: tell us about the W i have a question for.
Speaker 2: You, First, yeah when you saw them, news what was your?
Speaker 1: Reaction super excited and also jealous BECAUSE i wanted to
Speaker 1: work in comedy and. Television that was my first dream
Speaker 1: BEFORE i switched to. Sports and so anytime someone from
Speaker 1: the sports dates intersects with, Entertainment i'm, like how did
Speaker 1: they know how to do? That and where was their
Speaker 1: entry and who did they? Meet Because i'm always thinking
Speaker 1: LIKE i would love to help write a show or
Speaker 1: consult for shows that work in, sports or like THINGS
Speaker 1: i have to do with like comedy and the intersection
Speaker 1: of WHAT i. Do so FIRST i was, jealous and
Speaker 1: THEN i was like very excited for, y'all AND i
Speaker 1: just am like brainstorming all the different ways and hopes
Speaker 1: of how it will be. Done because there are shows
Speaker 1: that have been in sports and you're, like that's not,
Speaker 1: right and if you know, sports you know that they
Speaker 1: didn't pull it. Off and then there are sports shows
Speaker 1: that nail it and it feels so.
Speaker 2: Authentic do you still? Right? Yeah never say, Never. Sarah
Speaker 2: that's the incredible thing about this, world the amount of
Speaker 2: inbound inquiries from like god knows, who how about our.
Speaker 2: Contacts it's. Wild but, like if you're still, WRITE i,
Speaker 2: mean whatever we, can we can sidebar that. Perfect but
Speaker 2: to answer your, question So chaney AND i helped create
Speaker 2: and produce or think we executive. Produced, technically back in twenty,
Speaker 2: Twenty chaney was not playing in the bubble and we
Speaker 2: kept hearing all these crazy stories that were coming out
Speaker 2: of the bubble and we were, like oh my, god
Speaker 2: we need to get a, camera you, know crew in.
Speaker 2: There so long story, short we Connected kathy was amazing
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 1: W W n Bakamish.
Speaker 2: Yes kathy was was. Amazing Like chane AND i literally
Speaker 2: just group chatted, her gone on the phone with, her
Speaker 2: connected her WITH Espn, films and then they they got
Speaker 2: a deal done And shane AND i we were lucky
Speaker 2: to be a part of. That what we weren't lucky
Speaker 2: about is that if we had a production company we
Speaker 2: learned the hard, way we would have gotten paid and
Speaker 2: instead we just worked for free for ten months for.
Speaker 2: Experience and so as soon as we figured that, OUT
Speaker 2: i was, like all, Right, chenee first of, all we
Speaker 2: need to create a production company and we need to
Speaker 2: figure this out Because i've always felt like entertainment is
Speaker 2: what's missing to get women's sports where it needs to.
Speaker 2: Go and if you, can entertainment is one of the,
Speaker 2: biggest you, know exports we have in this. Country and
Speaker 2: really just what you can do to change culture and
Speaker 2: make a lasting. Impact AND i know that sounds corny
Speaker 2: or cliche or, whatever but so we created a depruction.
Speaker 2: Company it's called The Victoria's, company and it's all about
Speaker 2: redefining what it means to, win particularly for, women but
Speaker 2: not exclusive to. Women jane delivers that part way better
Speaker 2: THAN i. Do but, yeah so we. Started we actually
Speaker 2: went TO Espn films and we, said, okay like we're
Speaker 2: not getting paid on this introduced us to everybody in
Speaker 2: The disney family and we want to pitch. Them What
Speaker 2: chane originally wanted to pitch was did you remember The
Speaker 2: Disney channel original Movie Double? Teamed mm, hmmm all. Right
Speaker 2: it was About heather And Heidi bird.
Speaker 1: Producer, yeah younger younger producers remembers.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and. Three it was crystallized in my memory
Speaker 2: as a as a kid playing. Basketball, Basically jane wanted
Speaker 2: to reboot it about her and you, know her Sister
Speaker 2: nika and their. Family and we started pitching it around
Speaker 2: and got feedback of, like, no we don't really like,
Speaker 2: that but we like your dynamic pitch a something on you.
Speaker 2: Guys you guys have a very unique dynamic as as
Speaker 2: agent and. Client and SO i was Like, cheney, like
Speaker 2: go Watch, entourage like you probably haven't seen it. Yet she's, like, no,
Speaker 2: okay she is a prolific television. Consumer, yeah and she Watched,
Speaker 2: rage and then we kind of curated our pitch cool
Speaker 2: the Reverse, Entrage, entraage the anti On, trage however you
Speaker 2: want to call. It not obviously on trage.
Speaker 1: Would non turage that perfect.
Speaker 2: And you, know set set to present day with all
Speaker 2: the incredible things that happening with women's, basketball but based
Speaker 2: on our, twenties and so we pitched it. Around, well,
Speaker 2: no let me back. Up we partnered With Conde nass
Speaker 2: and they helped marry us With Liz flayhiv And Carly,
Speaker 2: mench who are two incredible showrunners that Created glow On
Speaker 2: netflix and then added an overall deal With apple and
Speaker 2: they're like big bosses and. Entertainment we've learned a lot from.
Speaker 2: Them they they put together just like an unbelievable story
Speaker 2: arc with you, know with loosely based on our, dynamic
Speaker 2: but like in our you, know just our. Stories so
Speaker 2: we would just sit and tell them stories and stories and,
Speaker 2: stories and then they built a world in characters around,
Speaker 2: it And peacock was awesome and like made an offer
Speaker 2: while we were in the room, pitching which was super. Cool.
Speaker 1: Amazing oh, yeah so. EXCITING i CAN'T i can't. WAIT
Speaker 1: i just think IT'S i think it's so cool and
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Speaker 1: these scripted series that helped tell the stories and get
Speaker 1: people in prigued by a life that they don't know
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Speaker 1: to unlocking some of the interest in fandom that exists
Speaker 1: around men's sports because we've been seeing and watching those
Speaker 1: shows forever and. Ever editorial from, me they should have
Speaker 1: made the show With china And. Neca they should have
Speaker 1: remade that. Show omg f whoever said, NO i never watched.
Speaker 2: It we'll bring it.
Speaker 1: Back maybe this is also just the door that opens
Speaker 1: that gets you to that show as. Well we are
Speaker 1: out of. TOWN i could talk to you. Forever there
Speaker 1: are so many more QUESTIONS i, have so maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have you again on in the future to talk about
Speaker 1: all the cool things that your job entails and all
Speaker 1: the challenges and exciting opportunities to. Come thanks so much
Speaker 1: for the Time.
Speaker 2: Allison Thanks, SARAH i appreciate.
Speaker 1: It thanks again To alison for taking the time that joined.
Speaker 1: Us we have to take another quick. Break when we come,
Speaker 1: back we get a lesson on. Balls welcome, back, slices.
Speaker 1: Y'all remember yesterday's show when we asked you for an
Speaker 1: alternative to the phrase balls to the. Wall, well as
Speaker 1: it turns out we might not need. It shout out
Speaker 1: TO i Am Victoria ann On instagram who solved our
Speaker 1: balls to the wall tits to the turf. Problem she, wrote,
Speaker 1: quote putting on my no it all hat for a,
Speaker 1: minute balls to the wall slash balls out refers to
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Speaker 1: the more you, KNOW i am admittedly not a, gearhead
Speaker 1: So i'm pretty lost on what you said and you
Speaker 1: know which balls are hitting which walls in which. Cylinder
Speaker 1: BUT i believe, you AND i am also still open
Speaker 1: to hearing people's ridiculous suggestions to replace balls to the.
Speaker 1: Wall can you beat tits to the? Turf, doubtful but
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Speaker 1: twice baked potato defeated potato corn. Chowder this is particularly
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Speaker 1: i'm just gonna have to make that another. Time and
Speaker 1: tacos to poppas beat out sweet potato and. Banadas SO
Speaker 1: i will be cooking each of the final four recipes
Speaker 1: twice baked, potato funeral, potatoes potato lot, key and potato.
Speaker 1: Tacos i'm gonna cook all of. Them i'm gonna eat
Speaker 1: all of, them and Then i'm gonna name one the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Starch Madness. Champion don't, WORRY i will
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Speaker 1: little watch party for The frozen Four championship Between wisconsin
Speaker 1: And Ohio. State and you knew it was going to
Speaker 1: be a tense party because there were players who went
Speaker 1: to both rival schools in the. Room it was fun
Speaker 1: to watch them watch the. Game we'll link to the
Speaker 1: video and the show, notes BUT i think our favorite
Speaker 1: moment Was Natalie, spooner who's An Ohio state, alum asking
Speaker 1: during overtime is it eventually going to go to a?
Speaker 1: Shootout and, honestly it's really good to know that even
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