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Speaker 1: Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've never

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Speaker 1: felt so old. We just had to google Rapper Plies

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Speaker 1: after seeing him sit behind the bench at South Carolina's

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Speaker 1: super sick gold chain flies. Have you guys heard Applies?

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Speaker 1: What's next? You're going to tell me nineteen ninety one

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Speaker 1: wasn't twenty years ago. It's Tuesday, March twenty fifth, and

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Speaker 1: on today's show, we'll be talking to sports agent Alison

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Speaker 1: Gaylor about launching her own agency straight out of college,

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Speaker 1: betting on herself, navigating the new look college sports space,

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Speaker 1: and the new scripted show that she's launching with longtime

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Speaker 1: client Chaneo Guma Kay plus a team of divided loyalties.

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Speaker 1: A slice gets us caught up on another type of balls,

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Speaker 1: and it's time to join the scrum. It's all coming

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Speaker 1: up right after this Welcome back Slices. Here's what you

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Speaker 1: need to know today. Let's start with March Madness, where

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Speaker 1: the Sweet sixteen is set. So let's tie a little

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Speaker 1: bit on some of these second round games. Shall We

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Speaker 1: First up Sunday's TCU Louisville matchup The so called Hailey

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Speaker 1: against one of her two former schools, as she spent

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and last season playing for LSU. In this one,

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Speaker 1: Van Let's current team, TCU, a two seed, defeated number

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Speaker 1: seven Louisville eighty five seventy worth remembering that TCU went

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Speaker 1: one in seventeen in Big twelve Conference play just two

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Speaker 1: tryouts after forfeiting two games. Now well, now, the Underfrogs,

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Speaker 1: aided by a few big name transfers including Van Lith,

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Speaker 1: are headed to the programme's first ever Sweet sixteen appearance

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Speaker 1: of any gender. Vanlth, a fifth year senior, has never

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Speaker 1: had her season end before the Elite eight meantime. Number

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Speaker 1: one overall seed UCLA is also headed to the Sweet

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Speaker 1: sixteen thanks to an eighty four to sixty seven win

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Speaker 1: over number eight seed Richmond, with Lauren Betts recording thirty

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Speaker 1: points in the first round. She put up twenty seven

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Speaker 1: Next up for the Bruins a meeting with number five

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Speaker 1: Mississippi in Region one. The action really heated up last

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Speaker 1: night with the best game of the tournament so far,

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Speaker 1: a double overtime thriller between Maryland and Alabama that saw

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Speaker 1: Sarah Tibiasu came up huge down the stretch for Maryland,

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Speaker 1: taking advantage of literally any little bit of daylight to

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Speaker 1: It was a thrill ride and shout out to front

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Speaker 1: of the show and Maryland fan Kalayine Connigan, who is

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Speaker 1: likely barely standing after that one. But the Terps advance

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Speaker 1: the Sweet sixteen, that's going to be a tough one.

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Speaker 1: Rest of the top seeds took care of business pretty

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Speaker 1: Rest of the games happened later than our recording, so

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Speaker 1: we'll catch you up on the rest of Monday's matchups

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and we'll preview the Sweet sixteen later this week.

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Speaker 1: To the Land of Scrums and Rocks, Women's Elite rugby,

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Speaker 1: the new fifteen A side US based league launched over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. The Boston Vanshie opened up play with the

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Speaker 1: twenty nine twenty seven winner for the New York Exiles,

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Speaker 1: while the Twin Cities Gemini defeated the Chicago Tempest twenty

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Speaker 1: Denver Onyx and the Bay Breakers, will both hit the

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Speaker 1: field for the first time this coming weekend. The thirty

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Speaker 1: game Weer regular season continues through June fourteenth, followed by playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Fans can watch every game for free on his own.

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Speaker 1: A little more rugby news too, USTR. Alona Mar, who

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Speaker 1: talked to agent Alison Gaylor joining us now. She's the

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Speaker 1: founder and president of sports and entertainment agency Disrupt the Game,

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Speaker 1: representing top female athletes including current and former Hoopers Cheneogumkay

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Speaker 1: We've kicked at Poolside and can and we've chopped it

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Speaker 1: up at the Opera House in Sydney. It's Alison Gaylor.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Allison.

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Speaker 2: Wow, we've been to several continents together. That's pretty exciting.

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Speaker 1: What should we do next? Antarctica?

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Speaker 2: We could Shelley's Alice actually went to Antarctica, but that's

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, add it to the list. I want

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Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: we've ever talked about this, but I'm curious about how

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Speaker 1: you got started in the agent game, because I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of kids grow up wanting to be ballplayers,

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Speaker 1: and you did play basketball at Brown. When did the

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Speaker 1: shift happen from dreaming of being maybe a pro baller

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Speaker 2: Well, growing up five eight, white and Jewish and being

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Speaker 2: from LA I didn't have high hopes of my professional

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Speaker 1: You got one? Come on. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's an ongoing joke with most of my clients

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Speaker 2: that I have five points to my NCAA Division one

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Speaker 2: more than most. That's right anyways. Usually usually Chiney will

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Speaker 2: be like, I scored five in five seconds, but I'm like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: that's nice anyways. But yeah, I got lucky. I grew

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Speaker 2: La Sparks when I was seventeen, getting ready to go

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Speaker 2: play it round. And my uncle has been in the

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers. So I'm very lucky that my uncle Lawn

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious when you have an uncle, Lon Rose,

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Speaker 1: than you're talking about who's working in the space. Not

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Speaker 1: only do you probably get some cool perks in terms

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Speaker 1: of game tickets, agetting to meet folks like Magic Johnson,

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Speaker 1: but what was about what he was doing that appealed

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Sarah, no one's ever asked me that, which is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I think so because he was my uncle, right, he

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Speaker 2: wasn't my parent. I got like enough access where I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't want like anything but this,

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Speaker 2: like it's VIP or nothing from the rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I didn't get handed everything

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Speaker 2: of itched for more, I think to a certain degree.

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Speaker 2: And my parents are amazing and my stepdad is an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 2: My mom was a longtime civil litigator. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: they're amazing, but they weren't necessarily in the business of sports,

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Speaker 2: excited to go play, like I you know, I was

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Speaker 1: Basketball, YEAH i mean just being around sports when it's

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Speaker 1: i'm good at putting it on other people. Too BUT

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Speaker 1: i don't know IF i could always be in the.

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Speaker 2: Background, Yeah i'm Probably i'm probably too good at at

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Speaker 1: Hell he like, you he would you never see him

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Speaker 1: just in the sense that he like he's he's always,

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Speaker 1: there he sees it. All BUT i don't know from

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Speaker 2: Well not since digress on that, point BUT i think

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Speaker 2: agents are at an interesting juxtaposition in the business sports right,

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Speaker 2: now where you have some very high profile agents that

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Speaker 2: have put themselves out, there and then you still have

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Speaker 2: some that are kind of in the shadows and purveying

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Speaker 2: from a, distance like your agent is what it sounds.

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Speaker 2: Like BUT i try to hit the middle ground where

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Speaker 2: Like i'm visible but not visible to the. Detrina you, know,

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Speaker 2: ultimately slients have to come, first.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah you started your own agency a year out of.

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Speaker 1: College why did you want to start your own shop

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Speaker 1: and not join an existing? Agency get your feet wet

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Speaker 2: Out i'm going to try to say this in a

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Speaker 1: Myself BUT i, MEAN i just literally SAID i could

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Speaker 1: never do a job WHERE i just helped other people

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Speaker 1: get the. Spotlight so, space this is the honest.

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Speaker 2: Space safe space in front of. Everybody but that's. Fine

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Speaker 2: SO i interned a lot through, school AND i was

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Speaker 2: very naive and fullish and believed THAT i could figure things,

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Speaker 2: out you, know along the. Way basically the best way

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Speaker 2: to learn is child by, fire as long as you

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Speaker 2: do your preparation and your research and you asked the right.

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Speaker 2: Questions AND i felt pretty confident THAT i could do.

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Speaker 2: THAT i definitely originally THOUGHT i was going to work

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Speaker 2: at THE nba in their associate. Program that was my original.

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Speaker 2: Thought i'll go do, That i'll work a little bit

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Speaker 2: on THE, wnba and Then i'll start my. Agency and

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Speaker 2: then the lockout. Happened this is. UH i graduated in twenty,

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Speaker 2: eleven and SO i actually wrote a thesis about the

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Speaker 2: potential for a lockout happening Because i'm nerdy like. That

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Speaker 2: and then it. Happened and SO i think the social

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Speaker 2: went to work for one other company for ten. Months

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Speaker 2: it was like a subsidiary of this guy Named Jim

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Speaker 2: plata and his, investments and he's a partnerwner of the

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Speaker 2: Bust At celtics and Bought. Acerooma, anyway, BASICALLY i could

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Speaker 2: have either gone to work at a bigger company or

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Speaker 2: started my own. Thing AND i chose to start my own,

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Speaker 2: thing bet on, myself BECAUSE i was, young AND i

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Speaker 2: had a lot of relationships And i'm you, Know i'm

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Speaker 2: i was basically told like they're either going to steal

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Speaker 2: your clients or eat you. Alive so if you want

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Speaker 2: to do it, yourself do it. Now do it when you're,

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Speaker 2: young and you, know you can always fall back and

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Speaker 2: go work for a bigger, agency but you might as

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Speaker 2: well might as well. Try and If i'm gonna bet on,

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Speaker 2: anyone it's it's gonna. Be. YEAH i love, that BUT

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Speaker 2: i also HAD i had a backstop, too of you,

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Speaker 2: know my parents helped pay for my life AS i

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Speaker 2: was putting money into my, business which most people don't.

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Speaker 1: Have, YEAH i love. That you admit. That it's so

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Speaker 1: important because so many people listen to folks stories of

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Speaker 1: things that allow that to. Happen how did you get

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Speaker 1: your first?

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Speaker 2: Client, so my first client was a woman Named sammy

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Speaker 2: Pra hallis and She ohio. State was That ohio, state, yep,

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Speaker 2: see you, know you know all the. Things she actually

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Speaker 2: had a tattoo on her index finger that SAID sajj

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Speaker 2: dot dot dot that she used to put to the

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Speaker 1: Ro that is absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Sick she shoot badass for. Sure so SHE i met

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Speaker 2: through two of my really close friends At brown that

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Speaker 2: played on the men's team were close To Evan, turner

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Speaker 2: And Evan turner was Dating. Sammy So evan AND i are.

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Speaker 2: COOL i Met sammy at like his draft. Party we became,

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Speaker 2: friends and then she kind of quickly, realized, oh Like

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Speaker 2: alison knows THE, wnba she knows a lot of these,

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Speaker 2: gms LIKE i trust to you, know kind of asked,

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Speaker 2: me would you be my? Agent and then. Yeah and

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Speaker 2: then at my first, JOB i basically took my first

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Speaker 2: job AND i told my boss, like, Hey i'm going

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Speaker 2: to work here for ten months and Then i'm going

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Speaker 2: to start my own. Agency this Is june of twenty.

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Speaker 2: ELEVEN i literally just, graduated AND i told, Him i'm

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Speaker 2: going to go start my own agency in women's basketball

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Speaker 2: with this like one player That i'm going to, represent

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Speaker 2: who's going to be a top six overall. Pick she

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Speaker 2: THOUGHT i WASNTS i, mean most people THOUGHT i was.

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Speaker 2: Nuts this is this is thirteen years, ago when women's

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Speaker 2: basketball was not a hot commodity at.

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Speaker 1: All what did you learn in the early. Years because

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Speaker 1: to your point about getting help from your, PARENTS i

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Speaker 1: also love when people actually admit to. Failures if people

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Speaker 1: are hearing about successful folks and think it's been an,

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Speaker 1: easy breezy. Ride then when they have, failures they're, like,

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Speaker 1: Oh i'm not cut out for. This SO i, wonder

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Speaker 1: if you made a mistake on a contract or you

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Speaker 1: lost a potential client due to, something what's something you

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Speaker 1: learned having to learn on the?

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Speaker 2: Fly knock on. Wood SO i did go to law

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Speaker 2: school along the, way and that. Important i've never never

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Speaker 2: messed up on a. CONTRACT i will ask any of

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Speaker 2: my clients, Like i've never never done a bad, deal

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Speaker 2: never made a mistake on their behalf that would cost,

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Speaker 2: them you, know a. Dollar thank. God i'm maniacal when

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Speaker 2: it comes to. Contracts but my biggest early failure besides

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Speaker 2: like not you, know playing basketball through four years At

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Speaker 2: brown and quitting after a, year which was not that

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the show up the, game

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Speaker 2: BUT i think that definitely did a lot to fuel

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Speaker 2: postgrad BECAUSE i didn't have it on the. Court and

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Speaker 2: it's still it's still one of my biggest. FAILURES i,

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Speaker 2: mean to be, fair we were two and twenty. Six we're,

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Speaker 2: trash and so it was easy to walk, AWAY i

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Speaker 2: guess in that, respect but sort of. Easy my first

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Speaker 2: failure was my first. Client sammy fired me before the

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Speaker 2: end of that first, season her risky, season and and

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Speaker 2: that was a really tough, blow But i'm better for,

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Speaker 2: it and it's probably the best thing that could have

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Speaker 2: happened to, me is experiencing that type OF i GUESS i.

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Speaker 2: WAS i JUST i thought we, were you, know because

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Speaker 2: we were so close AND i started this, thing and

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Speaker 2: like it just, yeah like other agents kind of started

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Speaker 2: poking around LIKE i. WAS i was twenty two and

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Speaker 2: had never been you, Know i've never been a top

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Speaker 2: player in THE. WNBA i wasn't a top player in.

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Speaker 2: College like people were, like who the fuck is? It you,

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Speaker 2: know basically, like, oh she only knows, things because one

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Speaker 2: things because my cousin was in the, Business like you,

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Speaker 2: idiot at least get the family, number. Right but, basically

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Speaker 2: When sammy fired, me that was that was a tough

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Speaker 2: blow for. Sure BUT i had already Signed Lisa leslie

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Speaker 2: at that, point AND i was, like you know, What

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Speaker 2: i'm gonna put my head down And i'm gonna take

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Speaker 2: this out even if, yeah you, Know lisa gave a

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Speaker 2: trusted in me when she didn't have. To that's for.

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Speaker 1: Sure it's easy to get in a young person's ear

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Speaker 1: about oh you picked. Wrong you need someone with more,

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Speaker 1: experience you need SOMEONE i don't almost blame her at

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Speaker 1: all for getting scared and going and running to something

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Speaker 1: that seemed more stable and more like long, lasting or

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Speaker 1: something that had more of proof of. Concept but what's

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Speaker 1: great About lisa she had been around for a long

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Speaker 1: time and gave you that credibility by joining you and

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Speaker 1: believing that you could do something something. SPECIAL i know

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Speaker 1: every day is, different but just for the listener who

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Speaker 1: maybe don't understand where lawyer versus agent versus manager and

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Speaker 1: can you just tell us a big picture what you

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Speaker 1: do as an agent for these top level athletes and.

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Speaker 2: Broadcasters, sure so we do everything pretty. Much it's three.

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Speaker 2: Sixty it's everything from playing contract to nil stuff which

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Speaker 2: is all like marketing to you, know from endorsements to

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Speaker 2: speaking engagements to broadcast. Work you, know we represent Obviously

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Speaker 2: Lisa leslie and Then Gheneg, womckay who are both both.

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Speaker 2: Broadcasters so it really spans the. Gamut but that that's, purposeful,

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Speaker 2: Right so if we sign a kid in high, school

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Speaker 2: to a, kid you, know to a player that's about

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Speaker 2: to retire and go into their second, career we really

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Speaker 2: can and what what offerings are to best help them

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Speaker 2: navigate where they're at in their. Career and SO i

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Speaker 2: would say we're new to the high school, game which

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Speaker 2: nil space and then helping players navigate THE nil space

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Speaker 2: to the you KNOW wnba space and THEN wnba to

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Speaker 2: kind of post. Career what does that look.

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Speaker 1: Like about how many athletes you have right?

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Speaker 2: NOW i think it's, sixteen about to be.

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Speaker 1: SEVENTEEN i want to break any news right, now OR

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Speaker 1: i need to get a contract side. First but, COOL

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Speaker 1: i get, THAT i get. That how big is the

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Speaker 1: disrupt The game?

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Speaker 2: Team that's pretty. Small we are very small and, nimble

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Speaker 2: but WE i would argue that relative to the bigger,

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Speaker 2: agencies we have just as much time and resources and.

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Speaker 2: Production it's just we're a smaller team with a smaller client,

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Speaker 2: list and so we can give more of ourselves to those.

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Speaker 2: Clients probably to a fault.

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Speaker 1: Back To jackie.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah it all comes full. Circle So Jackie, jamalis

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Speaker 2: who was a longtime client and played THE wnba in

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Speaker 2: overseas for over a. Decade she started working At disrupted

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Speaker 2: The game a couple of years ago and is just

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Speaker 2: as a star and obviously you, know having been a former.

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Speaker 2: Player she's also been an assistant coach in THE wnba

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Speaker 2: for The New York. Liberty there's nobody that has the like,

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Speaker 2: coach player and now agent that doesn't. Exist so her

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Speaker 2: perspective is, super super rare and amazing and you'd love

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Speaker 2: her when you guys, MEET i can't. Wait and then

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Speaker 2: we have a small support staff otherwise like, logistics, accounting other.

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Speaker 1: Stuff as an, Agent i'm sure you have felt acutely

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Speaker 1: aware of the shift of the whole business of women's

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Speaker 1: sports in the year since you got started back in twenty.

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Speaker 1: Twelve where do you feel it? Most where is it

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Speaker 1: Most Noticeablehere you're, like, wow this almost feels like a

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Speaker 1: different business WHEN i, started.

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Speaker 2: Literally right. NOW i MEAN i couldn't couldn't have. Predicted

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Speaker 2: first of, all Like chane AND i is selling a

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Speaker 2: scripted show based on our lives that hopefully will become

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Speaker 2: what impact rage has. Had or you, Know jerry McGuire or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever like there's never been a female version of. That

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Speaker 2: And i'm not trying to inflate myself important in search,

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Speaker 2: aise but like it's just it's never been done. Before

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Speaker 2: but like that same, week we're closing a couple of

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Speaker 2: into you, know out of college into the W nba

429
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 2: in the next, month THAT i could have never never saw.

430
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: Coming it's it's an extraordinary time for these, women and you,

431
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: know as a byproduct for us as. Well IT'S i

432
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 2: could give you a list of the brands that we're

433
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: working with right, now like literally in this, moment current

434
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: active campaigns that our clients are, doing and it's it's.

435
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: Unbelievable brands are showing up and and, Yeah i'm very

436
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 2: fortunate to be Where i'm at right.

437
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 1: Now is the biggest shift in the amount of? Sponsors

438
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 1: is it the salaries you're? Negotiating is it resources and

439
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: support that comes as a part of CBA's like is

440
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: it just all of? Them everything is shifted dramatically.

441
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: All of the. ABOVE i would, Say, also just we

442
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: have seven N al clients right now and players are

443
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 2: focused on playing In March, Madness, right we just tried

444
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: to close every brand partner deal like if you will

445
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: get Like niece Or Matty booker's social like you'll See

446
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: kava or LIKE cvs or you, Know key's done a

447
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 2: bunch of different. Things but like we had, to you,

448
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: know kind of lock those before so that they could

449
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: focus on the tournament and just get everything done. Beforehand

450
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: at the same, time for the players that aren't seniors

451
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 2: going to play in THE, wnba the transfer portal opens

452
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: tomorrow and so there's all this pressure and people circling

453
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 2: around these players of do you want to stay at your?

454
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: School how much are you gonna get? Paid are you

455
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: going to? Transfer are you going to? Transfer thinking that

456
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: you might go back to your. School but just as a,

457
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 2: negotiation it's all it's business at this point and a. Lot,

458
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 2: yeah it's it's a lot at, once for.

459
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: Sure so that's an incredible thing to be dealing, with

460
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: just in the college side of, things which feels so

461
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: professional in so many. Ways so, yeah that shift is

462
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: huge for. Agents i'm kind of curious AND i want

463
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: to get back to some other stuff around, sponsorships but

464
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: you got me thinking about how do you keep up

465
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: WITH cba, changes major shifts in college and how they,

466
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: operate team dynamics or rumors or news about a team

467
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: that might mean an opportunity or a slot is opening

468
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: up the, News, like how do you keep up with

469
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: all that so that you can negotiate for, clients because as,

470
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: media it's hard for us to keep up with the

471
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: way that everything is. Changing you have to be ahead

472
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: of the game and know the things that aren't even out.

473
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: Yet SO i used to THINK i was like a

474
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 2: bit overqualified based on my academic. PEDIGREE i would, say

475
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: you are, also and it's a part of what separates

476
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: you and makes people want to listen to, you because

477
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: you are so smart and went to AN Ivy week.

478
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: School And i'm not saying like anyone with AN Ivy

479
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: week degree else. More, yeah, yes but, well but the

480
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: people that have have the academic SciTE and can and

481
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: kind of figure stuff out with their, brain but also

482
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: have the personality to figure out the relationship. Side AND

483
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 2: i THINK i would Say i'm pretty good at. That

484
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: you're really good at, That like there's not a lot

485
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: of people that have. Both but that helps me stay

486
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: ahead of the curve for. Sure right, now and like,

487
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: NO i Mean i'm very confident about WHAT i do

488
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: and HOW i do. It, yeah and every day just

489
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: everything's changing really. Fast but as long AS i would,

490
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: say law school help with that, too of just my

491
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: ability to analyze and also skim things LIKE i can't

492
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: read everything all the, Time but as long AS i

493
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: know what's happening and where it's going and how HOW

494
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 2: i advocate for my clients accordingly and make sure to your,

495
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 2: point Like i'm ahead of things and not behind, them

496
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: that's ALL i can. DO i, MEAN i can't be

497
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: perfect all the, time but we, try AND i think

498
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: it's an. INEVITABILITY i stayed out of THE nil space

499
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: Until jackie AND i got after it last year, recruiting

500
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: just in part to see how it was going to

501
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: pan out and what the market was looking. Like was it?

502
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 2: Sustainable are these brands going to keep spending year over

503
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: year or is it just a drop in the bucket

504
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: and a flash in the pan and then it's going to?

505
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 2: Disappear and it. Is it is, sustainable and it's it's

506
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: amazing what these you, know the opportunities are in front

507
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: of these players right, now because there's a ton of

508
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: brand dollars that are that are out into the. Ether

509
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: with that, said there's a lot on their, plate like

510
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: they have a lot of.

511
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: Pressure you talked about the, relationships the ability to connect with.

512
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: People in, part that's just folks around that will inform

513
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: you in. Advance, hey just to heads, up this is

514
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: coming down the. Pike this is probably an affect your,

515
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: clients Or, HEY i don't know if you've heard about,

516
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: this but this team said, this who said, this which

517
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: is a huge part of being an, agent is sort

518
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: of THE i scratch your, back you scratch mind kind

519
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: of situation of like we'll give you information if you

520
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: tell us, this or can you help out with this

521
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: client if you, do you like that part of the

522
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: business or is that hard for you to do the

523
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: Whole let me take a meeting with someone that sucks

524
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: and play.

525
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: Nice that's definitely not my biggest strength Because i'm a

526
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: straight shooter And i'm very, honest probably to a. FAULT

527
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: i don't like all the, bullshit that's for. Sure with that,

528
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: said it's an INEVITABILITY i have to deal with every.

529
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: Day so SOME i, mean look in the w, space

530
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: like it's too small for people to really be like

531
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: assholes all the time and completely screw each other. Over

532
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: AND i don't you, KNOW i don't really go after

533
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: other people's clients like they don't really come after. MINE

534
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: a part of WHAT i do have trouble with every

535
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: day is how MUCH i could throw in my phone

536
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: and actually do meaningful work as opposed to being on

537
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: my phone and being accessible to clients and to people

538
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: you know that we're working with and partners and all those,

539
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: things and then the information you, know sharing of talking to,

540
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: gms talking to head coaches and women's college. Basketball, YEAH

541
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: i can't be everywhere all the, time but we try

542
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: to keep our pulse on. Everything AND i do think

543
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: the benefit of being a smaller agency in part is

544
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: because there's one person talking to on behalf of our

545
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: clients or. Two as it relates To jackie and, me

546
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: you don't have like there's not a marketing person who

547
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: doesn't talk to our clients or to you, know like

548
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: it's just right we move quick because we were in

549
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: locks up with our.

550
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: Clients it's just fascinating to me how behind the scenes

551
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: so much happens that people are unaware. Of and sometimes

552
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: it feels like these tentacles exist publicly that people don't

553
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: know are part of the machine behind the. Scenes when

554
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: a reporter breaks something about someone that's particularly, positive sometimes

555
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: that says a thank you for something that that agent

556
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: did for them in relation to some other breaking story

557
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: that they, wanted and all of that ecosystem is kind

558
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: of fascinating to think about from the. Outside you, KNOW

559
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: i want to ask back to. Sponsorships for such a long,

560
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: time the sponsorship game that did exist for the women's

561
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: game was the hot ones, right sex. Sells the women

562
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: with sex appeals seem to get the biggest, endorsements regardless

563
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: sometimes of how their on field performance might have spoken

564
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: to their talent or the size of their. Brand it

565
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: feels like that's. Changing we're getting a wider variety of

566
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: brands and sponsors in the. Space we're getting more multi

567
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: dimensional idea of what these women are, masculine, feminine, villain you, know, funny,

568
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: silly et. Cetera what have you seen behind the. Scenes

569
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: are there some brands that are still pitching things and

570
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: you want to tell, them, hey it's twenty twenty, five,

571
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: like that's not how we're doing this.

572
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: Anymore our, clientele we've never gone after The instagram following that,

573
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: like isn't necessarily going to translate into THE. Wnba that's

574
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: not my bag at all and not not super interesting for,

575
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: us to be completely. Honest SO i don't know how

576
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: that's going to. Evolve because a lot of players that

577
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: do have a huge social media following in college but

578
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: don't necessarily pan out in THE. Wnba you, know there's

579
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: a dip in their business for, sure and they have

580
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 2: to figure it out and roll into new. THINGS i

581
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: think that. There as much AS i wish that there

582
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: was more of a meritocracy in who gets brand deals and,

583
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: endorsements it's not always a. MERITOCRACY i think the better you, play,

584
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: obviously the higher the probability that you're going to get.

585
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: Endorsements but it doesn't always work like. That it's doesn't

586
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: just happen in. PARALLEL i WISH i wish it. DID i, mean,

587
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: obviously social media following is a is a quantitative and

588
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: qualitative way to ascertain following and impact and influence and

589
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: all those. Things and some of my clients are not

590
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: big social media. Girlies they're just not like they'd rather

591
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: do what they do on the, court and they still

592
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: have to fulfill the brand, stuff but they're not necessarily

593
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: thinking every day like how DO i build my, following

594
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: how DO i build my. Base hopefully the game will

595
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: take care of, itself especially in big moments Like March

596
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: madness in THE. Wna it's still not there yet in

597
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: terms of you play really well and then you get.

598
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: Opportunity And i'll also put an onus on us and

599
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: on agents in, general like if you're not reaching, out

600
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: brands will go. Elsewhere they kind of go to whoever

601
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: they talk to.

602
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: First and personality matters, too even on the men's. Side

603
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: it's not just about sex. Cells there are some great

604
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: men's players that just aren't great pitch people or don't

605
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: have a really interesting and charismatic appeal to. Them and

606
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: it certainly was more lopsided on the women's. Side it

607
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: is getting, better. Thankfully and the nice thing about some

608
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: social media is it is about some player's personality and

609
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: not always just about whether they're the. Hottest it's sometimes

610
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: about being funny or relatable or something, else and that

611
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: is opening up a few more. OPPORTUNITIES i, think what's

612
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: the next big change that will help women's sports take

613
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: another step? Forward what's still getting in the way or

614
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: what do you wish more brands or networks or investors

615
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: knew that would help take a next big.

616
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Step this NEW cpa in THE wnba is going to

617
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: be a huge change in a lot of ways if

618
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: if we can get it where we need to, go

619
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: we MEANING i mean ultimately Obviously i'm on the side

620
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: of the players in the union and the rest of,

621
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: agents BUT i think that there's such a where it's

622
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: such like a pinnacle of, momentum and if we do

623
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: a couple of the kind of right things to help

624
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: keep building that, momentum the sky is literally the limit

625
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: because the, MOMENTUM i, mean it's going to KEEP i

626
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Think chaney says on air all the, time like it's

627
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: not a moment it's. Momentum you, Know it's, true it's

628
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: it's it's been. BUILDING i would say it was building

629
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: in the Last march madness last two years probably in

630
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: these matchups and the personalities and the rivalries and all the.

631
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: Things and then you take that right into like The

632
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: Vegas New York, liberty you, know rivalry that's now a. Thing,

633
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: WELL i guess they played In minnesota last. Year but, anyway,

634
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: basically just like these these super teams in THE. Wa

635
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: all these worlds have been colliding for a while that

636
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: that are building up into this, Moment and if we

637
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: get THE cba, RIGHT i think it's going to be

638
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: LIKE i hate to, say like, cataclysmic but it's it's the.

639
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: TRUTH i. THINK i think from like a salary, perspective

640
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: from how how players, operate, perspective from a brand, perspective

641
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: like if we get the salaries, right everything's going to

642
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: go up because the cost to get these players to

643
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: do things off the court is ultimately going to go

644
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: up as the salaries go, up because the players aren't

645
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: going to be as dependent for their income on you,

646
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: know on these. ENDORSEMENTS i mean right now for most,

647
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: agents or at least for my, business like most most

648
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: of our business is. Endorsements that drives most of, what you,

649
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 2: know what these players. Make and so between between salaries

650
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: going up in THE wnda with this NEW cba and

651
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: then you have this red share that's about to hit

652
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: in women's college basketball and THE nil, space like it's it's,

653
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: amazing what's happening right?

654
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: Now, YEAH nwsl just renegotiated and updated THEIR. Cba we

655
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, yet have you seen.

656
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: It you're an, AGENT i probably should have seen it by,

657
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: Now But crystal's my only soccer client right now and.

658
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: She's A, pesg SO i, guess, yeah you no longer

659
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: need To you no longer need to. Know although you

660
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: Know crystal going TO, psg it was part of a

661
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of, movement and that happens when the draft goes

662
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: away in THE, nwsl when there's more international movement between.

663
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Leagues crystal was in the first of a three year

664
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: deal it got. Them she just played one season. There

665
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: we all expected her to be there for the length

666
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: of that. Contract what can you tell us about what

667
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: happened there and why she ended up moving TO psg mid.

668
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: Contract, yeah when she signed that, contract we definitely wanted

669
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: her to be At gotham for you, know the entirety

670
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: year of. Contract that's why we wanted it to be

671
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: a three year, deal and so did you Know. Gotham,

672
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: unfortunately things don't always go to. PLAN i think for both.

673
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Sides it just didn't work out the way that we

674
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: had all envisioned it to, be and you, know Ultimately

675
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: crystal needed to be in another. Environment we did the

676
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: best we could with the timing we had to figure

677
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: it out and make sure that that she was going

678
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: to be in a good environment for you, know for

679
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: her and ultimately for you, know For gotham also to

680
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: kind of move on without her and no hard, feelings

681
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: none of. That it just it didn't fit the way

682
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: we wanted it. To, yeah and, like, Look New york's

683
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: home For, Crystal like we we did want it to,

684
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: work but it's, sports and, yeah there's always a lot

685
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: of factors that go into, happy successful partnership between a

686
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: club and a, player and unfortunately that wasn't one that panned.

687
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Out, yeah it's nice to have A french, husband so

688
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: her other home can be, Uh, paris which is. Decent,

689
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: yes you, Know crystal obviously a, legend a veteran who

690
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: is so, established and then you're working with up and

691
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: comers like we talked about Usc Hooper keeek at your.

692
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: Event she's just learning the. Space she's just starting to

693
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: think about all the things that you're talking about with

694
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: the business of. It how does your relationship change and

695
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: how did their needs? Shift because it feels like you

696
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: And cheney are like almost. Sisters you came up together

697
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: figuring it, Out you've been working together for a dozen

698
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: years or, whatever and then you've got someone Like kiki

699
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: that maybe you feel a little bit more like a

700
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: like a mom or an, aunt or like you got

701
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: to take care of.

702
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Them so it's, interesting, Right lisa AND i started working

703
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: together AND i was twenty, two so that dynamic already was, Like,

704
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Okay i'm your, agent but also sometimes you can like

705
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: kind of mom me in certain, ways and like that

706
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 2: was an interesting back and, forth and it still is.

707
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: Interesting Obviously i'm thirty five, now but we still have

708
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: a funny dynamic that. Way as you mentioned with Like

709
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: cheney Or Elizabeth williams or other age. Mates let's say

710
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: that we did come up together and we're like very

711
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: close in, age like two or three years. Apart that's,

712
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: different for, Sure and that's definitely the norm of WHAT

713
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: i was used to BECAUSE i was mostly recruiting players

714
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: through my twenties and now evolving into my, thirties and

715
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: all of a, sudden kids are. Younger they're not the

716
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: same generation THAT i. AM i don't understand some of

717
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: the things they. SAY i have to google it OR

718
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: i have to look it. UP i have to look

719
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: it up on, TikTok because like you can't just google

720
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: like google stuff, anymore and SO i Guess I've i've

721
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: definitely had to evolve with the. Times and as much

722
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: AS i used to be like the, young you, know

723
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: kind of trying to hustle and figure it, out Now

724
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: i'm a little bit more like established and to your,

725
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: point more like mom Or auntie, vibes but like or

726
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: like cool older sister vibes.

727
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Too, okay, yeah that feels better for. YOU i think.

728
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Cool i'm more fanancy at this. Point you're a coo older.

729
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: Sister probably we're pretty close in.

730
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Age but that is so, NICE i, know but thank.

731
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: You Now i'm literally asking some of my, Players LIKE

732
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: i went to dinner With Avery, howell who's a freshman

733
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: AT usc the other. NIGHT i was, Like, avery how

734
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: old are? You just like? EIGHTEEN i was, like, WOW

735
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: i Hope i'm not like bugging you at this, point

736
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: and Like i'm decently.

737
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: Cool because it's impossible to. Tell there's really no way to.

738
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Tell the only way to do it is to just

739
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: try to not try to be, cool because that's more

740
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: annoying than just existing and not being. Cool like the

741
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: tryhard is the worst.

742
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: Part, LOOK i have a broken toe right, now And

743
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: i've been scooting around, literally and so that's been hilarious

744
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: for all my younger, Clients like Even Maddy booker like

745
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 2: noticed THAT i cut my feet off in a picture

746
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: and like commented, about you, know LIKE i just. Look

747
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: part of my job is being able to relate to

748
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: people and ultimately be able to advocate for, them no

749
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: matter if they're sixteen or you, know fifty, Plus like

750
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: it is what it, is AND i Think i'm decently

751
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: good at, that And jackie on my team is great

752
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: at that, too just like we can connect with.

753
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: ANYBODY i want to talk About kiky's part of the

754
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: second season Of Full Court PRESS espn doc that's going

755
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: behind the scenes with three college basketball players as they

756
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: navigate the season last year with such a fun watch

757
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: exciting batch this. Year how much pitching are you doing

758
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: to get your player featured and how much are they

759
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: seeking players out for stuff like?

760
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: That So, HM i don't want to take credit at,

761
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: all BUT i think relationships matter for opportunities like, that

762
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: especially when there's let's say five players in women's college

763
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: basketball THAT i think every network in every brand tries

764
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: to go. To, First let's say maybe four and none

765
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: of my clients are necessarily in that first four or,

766
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: five but they're like that next tier right. After and

767
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: that's not in a shot at them by any. Means it's,

768
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: just you, know whether It's juju Or page or Flage

769
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: a Or hannah A dog, like there's just you, know,

770
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: yeah that's how it. Goes and If i'm not advocating

771
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: for my next year of clients and making sure that

772
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: they are first, up that's on. Me and so the

773
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: good thing IS i do advocate for those and fortunately

774
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: the powers that be AT, ESPN i, Mean Brian lockhart

775
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: And Katzi fernandez were incredible at helping make sure that

776
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: That kiki was you, know was prioritized, basically and on

777
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: this one for two, PICULAR i wouldn't say That kigy said,

778
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: like please go seek that, out BUT i would say

779
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: that a lot of my other clients now after Seeing

780
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: kiky in, it are, like, OH i want to do,

781
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: that or, like, hey let's let's do you, know And

782
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: i'm really you, Know i'm really.

783
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Sak hey where's?

784
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Mine where's?

785
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Mine? Hey, hey hey get me? Mine get me? My where's?

786
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: My where's?

787
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: My? Look, honest we all do.

788
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: THAT i will do that to my agents And i'm, like,

789
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: OH i saw that this person that you represent got,

790
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: This like what DO i gotta do to?

791
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: What WHAT i will give credit To jackie AND i

792
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: to do is we try to get ahead of that

793
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: where we we will try to predict how our clients

794
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: will react as anything comes, out and so we try

795
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: to tell people in, advance, like, hey this person's getting,

796
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: this but like we know what you, know you're in

797
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: your own lane and you're getting, This and we always

798
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: SAY i always, say, like you, know you have to

799
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: create your own lane and you're running your own. Race

800
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: and if you comparison is the thief of, joy which

801
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: is easy for an agent to say or to cover

802
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: their own, ass.

803
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: But it's true. Though that's life and you got to

804
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: learn that. Early, yeah speaking of things that your clients

805
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: might be jealous of that we're we're leading up to

806
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: the big news you and your very special relationship With

807
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: cheney has led to something completely, different the starting of

808
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: your own production company and now this brand new. Project

809
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: tell us about the W i have a question for.

810
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: You, First, yeah when you saw them, news what was your?

811
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Reaction super excited and also jealous BECAUSE i wanted to

812
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: work in comedy and. Television that was my first dream

813
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: BEFORE i switched to. Sports and so anytime someone from

814
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: the sports dates intersects with, Entertainment i'm, like how did

815
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: they know how to do? That and where was their

816
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: entry and who did they? Meet Because i'm always thinking

817
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: LIKE i would love to help write a show or

818
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: consult for shows that work in, sports or like THINGS

819
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: i have to do with like comedy and the intersection

820
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: of WHAT i. Do so FIRST i was, jealous and

821
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: THEN i was like very excited for, y'all AND i

822
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: just am like brainstorming all the different ways and hopes

823
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: of how it will be. Done because there are shows

824
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: that have been in sports and you're, like that's not,

825
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: right and if you know, sports you know that they

826
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: didn't pull it. Off and then there are sports shows

827
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: that nail it and it feels so.

828
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Authentic do you still? Right? Yeah never say, Never. Sarah

829
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: that's the incredible thing about this, world the amount of

830
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: inbound inquiries from like god knows, who how about our.

831
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Contacts it's. Wild but, like if you're still, WRITE i,

832
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: mean whatever we, can we can sidebar that. Perfect but

833
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: to answer your, question So chaney AND i helped create

834
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: and produce or think we executive. Produced, technically back in twenty,

835
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: Twenty chaney was not playing in the bubble and we

836
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: kept hearing all these crazy stories that were coming out

837
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: of the bubble and we were, like oh my, god

838
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: we need to get a, camera you, know crew in.

839
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: There so long story, short we Connected kathy was amazing

840
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: and the.

841
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: W W n Bakamish.

842
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: Yes kathy was was. Amazing Like chane AND i literally

843
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: just group chatted, her gone on the phone with, her

844
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: connected her WITH Espn, films and then they they got

845
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: a deal done And shane AND i we were lucky

846
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: to be a part of. That what we weren't lucky

847
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: about is that if we had a production company we

848
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: learned the hard, way we would have gotten paid and

849
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: instead we just worked for free for ten months for.

850
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: Experience and so as soon as we figured that, OUT

851
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: i was, like all, Right, chenee first of, all we

852
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: need to create a production company and we need to

853
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: figure this out Because i've always felt like entertainment is

854
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: what's missing to get women's sports where it needs to.

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Speaker 2: Go and if you, can entertainment is one of the,

856
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Speaker 2: biggest you, know exports we have in this. Country and

857
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: really just what you can do to change culture and

858
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: make a lasting. Impact AND i know that sounds corny

859
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: or cliche or, whatever but so we created a depruction.

860
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: Company it's called The Victoria's, company and it's all about

861
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: redefining what it means to, win particularly for, women but

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Speaker 2: not exclusive to. Women jane delivers that part way better

863
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: THAN i. Do but, yeah so we. Started we actually

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Speaker 2: went TO Espn films and we, said, okay like we're

865
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Speaker 2: not getting paid on this introduced us to everybody in

866
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Speaker 2: The disney family and we want to pitch. Them What

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Speaker 2: chane originally wanted to pitch was did you remember The

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Speaker 2: Disney channel original Movie Double? Teamed mm, hmmm all. Right

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Speaker 2: it was About heather And Heidi bird.

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Speaker 1: Producer, yeah younger younger producers remembers.

871
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: Two thousand and. Three it was crystallized in my memory

872
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: as a as a kid playing. Basketball, Basically jane wanted

873
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: to reboot it about her and you, know her Sister

874
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: nika and their. Family and we started pitching it around

875
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: and got feedback of, like, no we don't really like,

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00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: that but we like your dynamic pitch a something on you.

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Speaker 2: Guys you guys have a very unique dynamic as as

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Speaker 2: agent and. Client and SO i was Like, cheney, like

879
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Speaker 2: go Watch, entourage like you probably haven't seen it. Yet she's, like, no,

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Speaker 2: okay she is a prolific television. Consumer, yeah and she Watched,

881
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Speaker 2: rage and then we kind of curated our pitch cool

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Speaker 2: the Reverse, Entrage, entraage the anti On, trage however you

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Speaker 2: want to call. It not obviously on trage.

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Speaker 1: Would non turage that perfect.

885
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: And you, know set set to present day with all

886
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Speaker 2: the incredible things that happening with women's, basketball but based

887
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: on our, twenties and so we pitched it. Around, well,

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Speaker 2: no let me back. Up we partnered With Conde nass

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Speaker 2: and they helped marry us With Liz flayhiv And Carly,

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Speaker 2: mench who are two incredible showrunners that Created glow On

891
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Speaker 2: netflix and then added an overall deal With apple and

892
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: they're like big bosses and. Entertainment we've learned a lot from.

893
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: Them they they put together just like an unbelievable story

894
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Speaker 2: arc with you, know with loosely based on our, dynamic

895
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Speaker 2: but like in our you, know just our. Stories so

896
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: we would just sit and tell them stories and stories and,

897
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Speaker 2: stories and then they built a world in characters around,

898
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: it And peacock was awesome and like made an offer

899
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: while we were in the room, pitching which was super. Cool.

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Speaker 1: Amazing oh, yeah so. EXCITING i CAN'T i can't. WAIT

901
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: i just think IT'S i think it's so cool and

902
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: it's definitely what's. Needed, like, yes the, documentaries but also

903
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: these scripted series that helped tell the stories and get

904
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Speaker 1: people in prigued by a life that they don't know

905
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: or a world that they're not, in is so key

906
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: to unlocking some of the interest in fandom that exists

907
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: around men's sports because we've been seeing and watching those

908
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: shows forever and. Ever editorial from, me they should have

909
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: made the show With china And. Neca they should have

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Speaker 1: remade that. Show omg f whoever said, NO i never watched.

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Speaker 2: It we'll bring it.

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00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: Back maybe this is also just the door that opens

913
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Speaker 1: that gets you to that show as. Well we are

914
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Speaker 1: out of. TOWN i could talk to you. Forever there

915
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: are so many more QUESTIONS i, have so maybe we'll

916
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: have you again on in the future to talk about

917
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: all the cool things that your job entails and all

918
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: the challenges and exciting opportunities to. Come thanks so much

919
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Speaker 1: for the Time.

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00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: Allison Thanks, SARAH i appreciate.

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00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: It thanks again To alison for taking the time that joined.

922
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Us we have to take another quick. Break when we come,

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00:43:49,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: back we get a lesson on. Balls welcome, back, slices.

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Speaker 1: Y'all remember yesterday's show when we asked you for an

925
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: alternative to the phrase balls to the. Wall, well as

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Speaker 1: it turns out we might not need. It shout out

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Speaker 1: TO i Am Victoria ann On instagram who solved our

928
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Speaker 1: balls to the wall tits to the turf. Problem she, wrote,

929
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Speaker 1: quote putting on my no it all hat for a,

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Speaker 1: minute balls to the wall slash balls out refers to

931
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Speaker 1: the balls of the piston hitting the walls of a

932
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Speaker 1: cylinder when you overtax an, engine so women can also

933
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Speaker 1: go balls out end Quote, victoria and oh my, gosh

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Speaker 1: the more you, KNOW i am admittedly not a, gearhead

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Speaker 1: So i'm pretty lost on what you said and you

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Speaker 1: know which balls are hitting which walls in which. Cylinder

937
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Speaker 1: BUT i believe, you AND i am also still open

938
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Speaker 1: to hearing people's ridiculous suggestions to replace balls to the.

939
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Speaker 1: Wall can you beat tits to the? Turf, doubtful but

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Speaker 1: give it a. Shot send him. In we want to

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Speaker 1: hear them speaking of sending him. In you did your.

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Speaker 1: twice baked potato defeated potato corn. Chowder this is particularly

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Speaker 1: BUT i Guess i'm gonna cook it, anyway regardless of

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Speaker 1: i'm just gonna have to make that another. Time and

953
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Speaker 1: tacos to poppas beat out sweet potato and. Banadas SO

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Speaker 1: i will be cooking each of the final four recipes

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Speaker 1: Tacos i'm gonna cook all of. Them i'm gonna eat

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Speaker 1: be posting photos of the, results which will test both

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Speaker 1: And Ohio. State and you knew it was going to

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Speaker 1: to watch them watch the. Game we'll link to the

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