WEBVTT - Origin Story 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:01.560 Man, what's handed? 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:01.800 Man? 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.160 You got Marshawn be Small Lynch. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.520 Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politickets. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:09.800 You're to be, you're knowing to be. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.079 I love that your lounge like that. We're just trying 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.720 to show off your your biceps. Man, what is this? 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.760 Are you still working out all the time? What happened? 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.280 Honestly all the time? How are you working out enough 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:26.680 not to be? 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.960 Hell of fact, By the way, Marshawn does just say 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:31.960 he looks younger than men? 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:32.560 Who does me? 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.400 It's some morreshawan. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.239 I think he's right, it's true. I'm like, I think, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.919 how many weeks younger than you? I like, barely even 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.559 you got it? Like ex football players, a lot of 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.280 ex athletes they look like I mean they all just let. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.680 It go right, yeah, I mean after putting it, I 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.920 could see how. But man, look I got complications like, man, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.400 if I start getting too heavy, my motherfucking backstart killing me. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:00.200 So you got that? 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:00.600 Yeah? 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.880 Yeah, And this is one of those situations where you know, 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.880 we took for granted when it was younger, Like if 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:06.520 you don't. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.120 Use it, you lose the type situation. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:10.720 And man, you know I still like to get out 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.720 there and run with the kids and all that shit. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.720 So I mean if I if I take too long 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:21.160 off and then I just try to get back hamstring, 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.840 you know, I mean shoulders, all these nagging as injuries. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.520 Were you guys? I'm curious because when you guys first 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.120 met I mean you were out there, you were you 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.240 were running back at cal You weren't scout. Were you 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.360 scout in this guy or did someone say, hey, you 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.399 got to check this Marshawn Lynch guy out. No. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.240 I heard about Marshawn and you know, did my homework 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.640 on him, and then you heard about again. Well, back 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.800 then everyone kept talking about Adrians, Adrian Peterson and Marshawn 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.600 its two bust backs. So I went to one cow game, 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.480 saw the guy. Well, Col's in your backyard. Peterson wasn't 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.560 in your backyard, right, Peterson wasn't. But naturally you get 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.440 to know who the guys are. So anyways, I see Marshawn, 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.080 and I knew that this guy was going to be 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:03.880 the guy, and he was going to be a guy. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.480 And you know what I call a little bs when 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.560 you saw him, you did that or you just on 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:09.799 the basis of stats. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.639 No, No, I saw him play again. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.200 You know me on every damn record at Cal. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:14.680 And I'm not a football guys. You know, I'm a 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.760 basketball baseball player, which is the irony, right, But how 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.120 the hell you become a football agent if you're not 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:26.120 a football guy? Great, great story. Never never never never, No, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.679 never played football. Actually my first client was a running back, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.119 Johnny Johnson nineteen ninety one, rookie the year got into 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.760 football ninety one. That's how long I've been doing this. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.600 But you were an agent working, you had a different 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.600 bunch of different clients, or at least in the agency 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.720 it was it was basketball. It stepped made Steph Curry, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.400 I recall was part of the larger agency. I mean, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.280 who was How the hell did this all happen? 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.880 No, So you know, I've been an agent for God 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.639 since ninety four and then. But but anyways, when I 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.840 when I saw more Sean, I knew he was special 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.560 in the field. But then when I met him and 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.720 talking first time, I knew he had the AD factor, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.239 And so I knew he had the factor. Now, ironically, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.240 going back to two thousand and six, when I met you, 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.440 did I think we'd be hosting the podcast together. Probably 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.080 not okay because like I've said for many times, more 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.120 Shawn is taking years off my life in a good way, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:18.880 in a bad way. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.200 But you say that like, yeah, I mean we've always 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.480 had the conversation like we should do the remake of 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:32.360 Jerry Maguire. Yes, the money because it was it wasn't 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.800 so much showed me the money, but but our dynamic 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.200 was like a relationship like shit, we ain't we ain't 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.200 pulling no punches. And that's kind of like you know, 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.840 I mean to you know, speak to you know our 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.320 relationship and ship. I think that's why it's being you know, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:54.520 so strong, because you know what ship this was eighteen 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.360 years later, eighteen years eighteen years later, like we still 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.720 rock with each other already. Of the guys like they 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.680 switch agents like fuck, like they switch their draws type 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.080 of right. So you I mean the fact that you know, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.240 we have a relationship where we pulled now, you know, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.040 I mean, like it is what it is? 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.280 Did that take a long time? And you say you 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.680 when you saw him, you talked about the H factor 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.240 all the stats aside. I mean, this guy's a phenom 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.440 and high school is a phenom obviously at cal you're 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.760 interest to your agent. You're out there, everybody's hustling. I 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.040 imagine to get this guy's attention, you immediately identify that 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.800 it factor. But what what was I mean? What else? 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:34.480 I mean? 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.440 How did you how did you manage then the relationship? 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.240 How did you first engage Marshawn to make the point 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.680 that you're a little different than all these other damn 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.640 agents that are a diamond? 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.280 Doesn't Well it's interesting because you know, back then, I 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.719 got ahold of them through either his uncle or cousin 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.320 Patracks or KP and got a hold on more. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.560 Sean And for folks that don't know your your uncle 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.919 playing in the NFL, right, Yeah, So that was the 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.200 So that was the point. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.640 He didn't meet him until. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.400 He was down the road, but I knew. But look, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.640 I knew Marshawn was different and in a weird way. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.600 I knew that, So I didn't I knew I wanted 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:10.880 I had to call him, but I knew I want 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.640 to meet him in person. So the first time we 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.240 met him, I said, hey, why don't you come meet 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.560 me at the Snoop show. And we go to the 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.480 Snoop Show in San Francisco and I'm thinking just. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.840 He and he just having to randomly have tickets, or. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.800 I've known so Snoop knew Jamal Anderson the Dirty Bird 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.800 in Atlanta was one of my first clients back in 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.919 ninety four ninety five. Snoop and Jamal were family, so 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.760 I've known him a long time. So I knew the 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.719 show was coming to town, so I had more Seawan 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.960 come instead of him coming solo. He came with probably 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.279 twenty thirty. And you're a big. 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.599 Snoop guy back then, or you're like, I got nothing 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:42.479 to do tonight. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:42.840 What was it? 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.080 No no I fuck with Snoop for show? But I 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.800 think it was more so like good kind of flex 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.680 his muscle, because you know, at that time, it was 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:54.800 more so like they used to have runners, which is 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.159 like individuals that work underneath the agent, right because the 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.720 agent couldn't come talk to you, but you know, an 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.520 associate can coming higher at you. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.320 But I don't think Doug really played by those rules. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:13.880 So yeah, I mean when when it came down to 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.920 like at this point, you know, I didne been hearing 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.240 from you know, a few agents, and you know all 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.360 of them was kind of you know, talking the same, 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.080 you know, shit. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.120 Me, here's what I can do for you, you know. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.920 Or at that point in time, it wasn't so much 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:34.839 more what they could do for me, but more so like, oh, yeah, 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.400 I'm interested in you and I want to represent you, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.760 you know, through the process, and I'm like, uh, okay. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.520 But you know Doug his you know, his his anger 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.520 was a little different. It wasn't so much more about like, 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.479 you know, I want to represent you. Now I don't 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.719 believe I mean that he wasn't having those conversations with 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.240 my cousin or you know, KP. But with me, it 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.920 was just like it seemed like some genuine shit like hey, look, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.160 uh you know Snoop in town. We're going to the show, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.279 like you know, I mean you should come type shit. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.360 All right, I'm gonna come pull up on you and 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.760 see what's up then, like he said, I. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:15.640 Bring you twenty people. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.880 Yeah, I can't. You know, ship, this was an opportunity ship. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.040 We've been listening to the Snoop Ship for for for 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.200 forever so and you. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:24.160 Had never met him before. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:25.320 Nah, I love it. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.640 But honestly, as an agent, had to be the first 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.040 in the best instro ever. So he comes to show. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.760 So you're you're showing how hooked up you. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.440 Yeah, well he shows up and all of a sudden 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.080 he gets he gets a little late. So he goes 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.960 in the show, does this thing and all that. And 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.520 then afterwards I said, you want to go do you 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.680 want to go hard Snoop? And so we go see 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.600 Snoop and we you know, light up some of the 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:49.040 California's finest and uh some of that sweetish chee and 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.360 we get with Snoop. Anyway, Snoop says, hey, listen, man, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.000 this white guy here, you can trust him. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:53.480 He's family. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.800 And I mean he literally used that language he did. 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.080 And for more Shawn hes still you know, might he 0:07:59.160 --> 0:07:59.480 might not? 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:00.640 Well, he's it is white boy. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:01.400 You were a junior. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:02.720 This white boy, Sally. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.400 This white boy Sally. You were a junior at cal 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:06.000 at the time, right. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:06.800 Yeah. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.720 So anyway, so that was that was a good start 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.040 for Marshawn. And and then I got to know him 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.800 more and I realized that, hey, I'm not I Look, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.000 I've been around for thirty years. There's a lot of 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.240 clients can to play, do well and have great things. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.320 But I knew from Marshawn he was different, and something 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.000 was there and he wasn't Beastmo. Back then he wasn't 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.440 he was. We didn't have trademark. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.600 Yeah, I get it all right. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.600 So anyway, so then he go he goes in and 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.760 does his thing and and and whatnot, and the rest 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.760 is history. But that was the first intro, which is 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:36.280 pretty cool. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.160 Who is it when you're when you're recruiting folks? Most 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.000 important relationship? Mom? 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.280 No, I think I think it depends. I think it's 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.880 it's it's it's whoever's involved. I want to go to 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.920 the player and and and the person to kind of fight. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.920 It was important to them. Could be mom, could be uncle, 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.600 could be girlfriend, could be sister, whoever it may be. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.360 And he was sewn. He wanted me to he wanted 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.600 me to come at him. Obviously another family. But Marshawn's 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.800 community was Oakland. It was and just mom. It wasn't cousin. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.240 It was Oakland. He wanted to know, what can you 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.240 do for my crew in Oakland? And he wanted to 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.320 build a youth center in Oakland. He wanted to give 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.160 back the community. He wanted to empower the community. He 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.679 wanted to change people's lives. And you were really having. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:18.080 Those conversations as a junior in college. Yeah, having talking 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.280 about community centers and giving back at that level. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.800 Sh what like I said, this what year eighteen, that's 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.840 functioning together. And then you think about it like this 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.600 our eighteenth year of you know, doing our our give backs, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.360 which you know over the years have evolved into bigger 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.000 ship like now we do have the community center. Uh 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.360 So I mean, you know, off rip, like I had 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.760 a football camp to give back to the uh, to 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.520 my to my city before I even was a ship 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:57.240 NFL player, So you know, it's always been something, uh, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.599 you know that I strive to do. And then it 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.920 just happened that I had no I had family that 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.280 was you know, in the same position that I was 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.720 with an opportunity to go to the league. So you know, collectively, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.400 you know, I mean that was the type of hype 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:13.040 that we was on. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.280 So I forget this gap. We literally he before he 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:21.040 gets drafted, he's be smoked. Okay, And this before the Internet. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.880 There was no there was no social media back then. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.320 So back in two thousand and seven, no bullshit. Me 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.080 and Marshawn trademarked Besmoke. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:30.880 In two thousand and seven, we. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.680 Spent probably what Marshaun five Grand trademark Bistmode and was 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.120 one of the first athletes ever to trademark something, so 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.160 we trademarked b smoke okay, which begs the question where 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.200 the hell did beast mode come from? 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:48.080 Realistically? Like it was a it was some ship where. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:54.480 Where you know, it was a one of my coaches 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.720 for my little league team used to call me man child. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.400 And then as it started going on, like boy, that 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.160 boy beast, that boy beast, and then I heard, uh, 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:07.240 that's when when Boosy started coming out. Uh, and that 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.679 motherfucker was going hard with some ship and he had 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.360 a song, h beach Mo. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.360 And I'm like, oh, that ship was catchy. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.000 That ship was on and I was feeling that motherfucker 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.319 and then that that man child, which are he a beast? 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.800 And then yeah, and then that ship just transformed to 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.800 on beas mo. But hell, you shout out to boos 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.400 because when that ship came out and that ship started 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.520 going crazy, like yep, I adopted that ship and then. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.840 Uh and you I mean it literally, it's like a 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.760 mask you put on your face growing up and you 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.280 felt that like this is me. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:37.520 What it is. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.000 That's just it just that was like, e body, do 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:40.800 you thought you. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.079 Were that ship is and me not on me, That 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.319 ship is in me. So you know what I mean 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.160 when when that ship started going, like uh, as far 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.000 as you know, the relationship and everything that was uh 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.559 that was happening and you know, coming to life, it 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.160 was like I didn't I didn't know you know that 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.200 these type of things was even possible. And it was 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.320 almost to the fact where it was like I get 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.240 put in a position it was like, well, you know 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.880 they always tell me no, you can't do that, No 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.719 you can't do this, or that's not possible. This is 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.440 that a third So then I'm just like we shit, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.480 fuck it. Uh hey, Doug, I want to I want 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:23.920 to you know, I mean, I want to start a 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.240 uh a nonprofit. It was like, all right, hook me 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.360 up with the people to do it. Damn motherfuckers did it. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.640 Like oh shit, we accomplished some shit. Like damn we 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.680 did it. And it's like, okay, now where we go 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.120 from here. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.320 Before it became an agent, back back in the days, 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.320 it was transactional. An agent came in this before Jeremy Guire, 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:52.160 before our lists. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.280 You mean, when you say transactional men, it was just you, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.520 you get your your cut, you move on. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.720 The next agents back in the mid nineties did a 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.880 contract and then they send a Christmas card, maybe it's 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.160 some flower or president on birthday. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:03.560 That was it. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.360 And then when you're done, playing is over with. So 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:06.800 I want to come in it differently, and I had 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.120 accountability knowing the fact that I want to be with 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.760 Marshawn not for twelve years his career, for thirty forty years, 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:13.640 because and. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.800 You know, no, Bs, you honestly had that mindset that 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.920 this was about a relationship that's long, one hundred percent. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.920 Because here's the deal. How many jobs in the world 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.880 can you sit there and say you can change someone's life. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:30.200 Maybe a teacher, maybe a doctor, maybe a politician, But 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.160 where you can change someone's life. So I say, you know, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.199 if I'm in this thing, I want to not only 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.280 help Marshan through his career, but also make sure that 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.760 I'm there for him when he's done, because these players 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.800 have problems when they're done. It's not when they're when 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.040 the player is great, the lights are on, checks are 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.120 coming in, but what happens when they're done playing for 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.360 the next twenty thirty years? Any sport you look at 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.400 shows like ESPN broke, you look at all the different 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.920 shows out there. What's going to happen? Then? So I said, listen, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.720 if I want to get into saying I want to 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.319 be for the real reasons, look after Marshawn Soil. He's 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.280 forty to fifty six years old. I mean necessarily that 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.400 the job I have is people live to work. People 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.480 work to live. Most people in the world, as you know, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.440 they work at a job and they hate what they do. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.840 But you got to get a paycheck to pay the rent, mortgage, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.720 car payment, whatever it may be. I literally have a job. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.400 I live to work. Mean, I love what I do. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.600 Don't even really know how much money I make. But 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:26.320 I get to see client Maran time because she does 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.440 to see I get to see the fruits of it. Man. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.480 I see what Marshaw's built in terms of what he's 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.960 done for Oakland, the community. He stayed, he hasn't left, 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:34.800 He's been there being around and so these are the 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.680 kind of things I love doing. The players I want 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.720 to be around with that see the impact. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.040 Well, and I've seen that directly because I'm a byproduct 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.880 of that relationship with Marshawn and that's how we all 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.240 came into the picture. But a little bit, let me 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.840 step back. I mean, Marshaan was your your biggest first client. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.680 Yeah, I mean I had some bigger ones before that. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.440 He was, you know, he was obviously big. I had 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.840 some other class. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.320 I was the biggest, Right had some. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.160 He had some he like, you know what I mean. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.360 And then my my biggest thing was like, uh, I 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:06.360 forgot who it was. 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.000 He had a client that I hollered at. Uh uh 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.800 it was Kevin Barlow. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.760 Kevin Barlow. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.240 Yeah, so I hollered at him. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.400 Man, he was and he the one who really, like 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.240 you know, put into my mind like, you know what, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.560 you gotta check some ship on another level. Otherwise you 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.080 feel me, you could get kind of tossed to the side. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.560 And I don't know, like you know what the dynamics 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.840 of the relationship was. But he was just like, hey, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.200 you know what I mean, just make sure you stay 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.480 on top of your agent, because like you said, it 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.280 was a tran it was transactional. So you know, I mean, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.520 I I told Doug straight like, hey, it ain't gonna 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.120 be no you feel me, you come, you get this 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.480 check and then you don't holler at me, like, motherfucker, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.440 you better pick up that phone and higher at your 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.520 boy or when I pick up the phone and I 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.800 ain't calling to just talk to you about you know 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.160 what I mean, what's going on with? 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.680 Uh? You know, a con tract of nothing. I'm a call, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.160 Hey what's up? How you know? How the kids doing? 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.000 You know what I mean? 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.800 Like, hey, we got this event going on, you better 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.520 come pop out and you know what I mean, show 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.600 what's up? So I mean, you know, I think it 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.400 was you know, both of us being proactive and uh 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.520 and uh, you know, building a relationship that you know, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.440 we didn't know well our for show didn't know that 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.800 you could have between agent and player. But I mean, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.160 you know, it was a lot of It was a 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.360 lot of things that you know, I think could have 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.160 hindered that because you know, at the time, Uh, there 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.000 wasn't a I'm pretty sure there's a lot more, but 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.760 there wasn't a lot of black uh black agents. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:38.680 Yeah, so. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.680 You know the few that was in it, they they 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.720 they angle was more like, uh, you know, don't go 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.440 and sign with the white boy. And you know what 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.120 I mean, not just saying Doug in general, but you 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.480 know that was just a thing. So you know, for 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.960 me to step out and actually give them an opportunity 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.000 and you know what I mean to start to uh 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.200 be aild to trust in our relationship. That ship was 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.719 That ship was big and it was a leap of 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.760 faith that you know, actually turned out to be. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.159 I still say to this day of look, Gavin Marshawn 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.200 can make one time, So listen, don't come at me crooked. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:15.560 Before I ready to sign, I said, what do you 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.919 mean to make crooked? He said, don't bullsheit me, shoot 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.800 me straight, look me in the eyeball it whether it 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.720 be good or bad. If it's when things are, things 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.639 would be good, but things would go bad. Told me 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.160 the truth and I'll never forget that. He said, don't 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:27.640 come out met And I know you've never. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.280 Got that because you bring that up all the time, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.320 independent of where that came from. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.320 Don't look at me cricket. And you're always giving people 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.280 that same advice. But was there a moment, Marshaun in 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.960 the relationship where you're like you knew you didn't have 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.439 to you didn't have. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.600 To worry about this guy anymore. Was there was there 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.480 an incident? Was there an issue? Was there you know something. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.000 He went the extra mile. You're like, damn, this guy 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.919 is the real deal. I'm one hundred. I'm all in. 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.639