Speaker 1: Man, what's handed?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: You got Marshawn be Small Lynch.
Speaker 2: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politickets.
Speaker 1: You're to be, you're knowing to be.
Speaker 3: I love that your lounge like that. We're just trying
Speaker 3: to show off your your biceps. Man, what is this?
Speaker 3: Are you still working out all the time? What happened?
Speaker 1: Honestly all the time? How are you working out enough
Speaker 1: not to be?
Speaker 2: Hell of fact, By the way, Marshawn does just say
Speaker 2: he looks younger than men?
Speaker 3: Who does me?
Speaker 1: It's some morreshawan.
Speaker 3: I think he's right, it's true. I'm like, I think,
Speaker 3: how many weeks younger than you? I like, barely even
Speaker 3: you got it? Like ex football players, a lot of
Speaker 3: ex athletes they look like I mean they all just let.
Speaker 4: It go right, yeah, I mean after putting it, I
Speaker 4: could see how. But man, look I got complications like, man,
Speaker 4: if I start getting too heavy, my motherfucking backstart killing me.
Speaker 3: So you got that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is one of those situations where you know,
Speaker 4: we took for granted when it was younger, Like if
Speaker 4: you don't.
Speaker 1: Use it, you lose the type situation.
Speaker 4: And man, you know I still like to get out
Speaker 4: there and run with the kids and all that shit.
Speaker 4: So I mean if I if I take too long
Speaker 4: off and then I just try to get back hamstring,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean shoulders, all these nagging as injuries.
Speaker 3: Were you guys? I'm curious because when you guys first
Speaker 3: met I mean you were out there, you were you
Speaker 3: were running back at cal You weren't scout. Were you
Speaker 3: scout in this guy or did someone say, hey, you
Speaker 3: got to check this Marshawn Lynch guy out. No.
Speaker 2: I heard about Marshawn and you know, did my homework
Speaker 2: on him, and then you heard about again. Well, back
Speaker 2: then everyone kept talking about Adrians, Adrian Peterson and Marshawn
Speaker 2: its two bust backs. So I went to one cow game,
Speaker 2: saw the guy. Well, Col's in your backyard. Peterson wasn't
Speaker 2: in your backyard, right, Peterson wasn't. But naturally you get
Speaker 2: to know who the guys are. So anyways, I see Marshawn,
Speaker 2: and I knew that this guy was going to be
Speaker 2: the guy, and he was going to be a guy.
Speaker 3: And you know what I call a little bs when
Speaker 3: you saw him, you did that or you just on
Speaker 3: the basis of stats.
Speaker 2: No, No, I saw him play again.
Speaker 3: You know me on every damn record at Cal.
Speaker 2: And I'm not a football guys. You know, I'm a
Speaker 2: basketball baseball player, which is the irony, right, But how
Speaker 2: the hell you become a football agent if you're not
Speaker 2: a football guy? Great, great story. Never never never never, No,
Speaker 2: never played football. Actually my first client was a running back,
Speaker 2: Johnny Johnson nineteen ninety one, rookie the year got into
Speaker 2: football ninety one. That's how long I've been doing this.
Speaker 3: But you were an agent working, you had a different
Speaker 3: bunch of different clients, or at least in the agency
Speaker 3: it was it was basketball. It stepped made Steph Curry,
Speaker 3: I recall was part of the larger agency. I mean,
Speaker 3: who was How the hell did this all happen?
Speaker 2: No, So you know, I've been an agent for God
Speaker 2: since ninety four and then. But but anyways, when I
Speaker 2: when I saw more Sean, I knew he was special
Speaker 2: in the field. But then when I met him and
Speaker 2: talking first time, I knew he had the AD factor,
Speaker 2: And so I knew he had the factor. Now, ironically,
Speaker 2: going back to two thousand and six, when I met you,
Speaker 2: did I think we'd be hosting the podcast together. Probably
Speaker 2: not okay because like I've said for many times, more
Speaker 2: Shawn is taking years off my life in a good way,
Speaker 2: in a bad way.
Speaker 4: But you say that like, yeah, I mean we've always
Speaker 4: had the conversation like we should do the remake of
Speaker 4: Jerry Maguire. Yes, the money because it was it wasn't
Speaker 4: so much showed me the money, but but our dynamic
Speaker 4: was like a relationship like shit, we ain't we ain't
Speaker 4: pulling no punches. And that's kind of like you know,
Speaker 4: I mean to you know, speak to you know our
Speaker 4: relationship and ship. I think that's why it's being you know,
Speaker 4: so strong, because you know what ship this was eighteen
Speaker 4: years later, eighteen years eighteen years later, like we still
Speaker 4: rock with each other already. Of the guys like they
Speaker 4: switch agents like fuck, like they switch their draws type
Speaker 4: of right. So you I mean the fact that you know,
Speaker 4: we have a relationship where we pulled now, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, like it is what it is?
Speaker 3: Did that take a long time? And you say you
Speaker 3: when you saw him, you talked about the H factor
Speaker 3: all the stats aside. I mean, this guy's a phenom
Speaker 3: and high school is a phenom obviously at cal you're
Speaker 3: interest to your agent. You're out there, everybody's hustling. I
Speaker 3: imagine to get this guy's attention, you immediately identify that
Speaker 3: it factor. But what what was I mean? What else?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: How did you how did you manage then the relationship?
Speaker 3: How did you first engage Marshawn to make the point
Speaker 3: that you're a little different than all these other damn
Speaker 3: agents that are a diamond?
Speaker 2: Doesn't Well it's interesting because you know, back then, I
Speaker 2: got ahold of them through either his uncle or cousin
Speaker 2: Patracks or KP and got a hold on more.
Speaker 3: Sean And for folks that don't know your your uncle
Speaker 3: playing in the NFL, right, Yeah, So that was the
Speaker 3: So that was the point.
Speaker 1: He didn't meet him until.
Speaker 2: He was down the road, but I knew. But look,
Speaker 2: I knew Marshawn was different and in a weird way.
Speaker 2: I knew that, So I didn't I knew I wanted
Speaker 2: I had to call him, but I knew I want
Speaker 2: to meet him in person. So the first time we
Speaker 2: met him, I said, hey, why don't you come meet
Speaker 2: me at the Snoop show. And we go to the
Speaker 2: Snoop Show in San Francisco and I'm thinking just.
Speaker 3: He and he just having to randomly have tickets, or.
Speaker 2: I've known so Snoop knew Jamal Anderson the Dirty Bird
Speaker 2: in Atlanta was one of my first clients back in
Speaker 2: ninety four ninety five. Snoop and Jamal were family, so
Speaker 2: I've known him a long time. So I knew the
Speaker 2: show was coming to town, so I had more Seawan
Speaker 2: come instead of him coming solo. He came with probably
Speaker 2: twenty thirty. And you're a big.
Speaker 3: Snoop guy back then, or you're like, I got nothing
Speaker 3: to do tonight.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 4: No no I fuck with Snoop for show? But I
Speaker 4: think it was more so like good kind of flex
Speaker 4: his muscle, because you know, at that time, it was
Speaker 4: more so like they used to have runners, which is
Speaker 4: like individuals that work underneath the agent, right because the
Speaker 4: agent couldn't come talk to you, but you know, an
Speaker 4: associate can coming higher at you.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Doug really played by those rules.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean when when it came down to
Speaker 4: like at this point, you know, I didne been hearing
Speaker 4: from you know, a few agents, and you know all
Speaker 4: of them was kind of you know, talking the same,
Speaker 4: you know, shit.
Speaker 3: Me, here's what I can do for you, you know.
Speaker 4: Or at that point in time, it wasn't so much
Speaker 4: more what they could do for me, but more so like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm interested in you and I want to represent you,
Speaker 4: you know, through the process, and I'm like, uh, okay.
Speaker 4: But you know Doug his you know, his his anger
Speaker 4: was a little different. It wasn't so much more about like,
Speaker 4: you know, I want to represent you. Now I don't
Speaker 4: believe I mean that he wasn't having those conversations with
Speaker 4: my cousin or you know, KP. But with me, it
Speaker 4: was just like it seemed like some genuine shit like hey, look,
Speaker 4: uh you know Snoop in town. We're going to the show,
Speaker 4: like you know, I mean you should come type shit.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna come pull up on you and
Speaker 4: see what's up then, like he said, I.
Speaker 3: Bring you twenty people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't. You know, ship, this was an opportunity ship.
Speaker 4: We've been listening to the Snoop Ship for for for
Speaker 4: forever so and you.
Speaker 3: Had never met him before.
Speaker 1: Nah, I love it.
Speaker 2: But honestly, as an agent, had to be the first
Speaker 2: in the best instro ever. So he comes to show.
Speaker 3: So you're you're showing how hooked up you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he shows up and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he gets he gets a little late. So he goes
Speaker 2: in the show, does this thing and all that. And
Speaker 2: then afterwards I said, you want to go do you
Speaker 2: want to go hard Snoop? And so we go see
Speaker 2: Snoop and we you know, light up some of the
Speaker 2: California's finest and uh some of that sweetish chee and
Speaker 2: we get with Snoop. Anyway, Snoop says, hey, listen, man,
Speaker 2: this white guy here, you can trust him.
Speaker 1: He's family.
Speaker 3: And I mean he literally used that language he did.
Speaker 2: And for more Shawn hes still you know, might he
Speaker 2: might not?
Speaker 1: Well, he's it is white boy.
Speaker 3: You were a junior.
Speaker 1: This white boy, Sally.
Speaker 3: This white boy Sally. You were a junior at cal
Speaker 3: at the time, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so that was that was a good start
Speaker 2: for Marshawn. And and then I got to know him
Speaker 2: more and I realized that, hey, I'm not I Look,
Speaker 2: I've been around for thirty years. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: clients can to play, do well and have great things.
Speaker 2: But I knew from Marshawn he was different, and something
Speaker 2: was there and he wasn't Beastmo. Back then he wasn't
Speaker 2: he was. We didn't have trademark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it all right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so then he go he goes in and
Speaker 2: does his thing and and and whatnot, and the rest
Speaker 2: is history. But that was the first intro, which is
Speaker 2: pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Who is it when you're when you're recruiting folks? Most
Speaker 3: important relationship? Mom?
Speaker 2: No, I think I think it depends. I think it's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's whoever's involved. I want to go to
Speaker 2: the player and and and the person to kind of fight.
Speaker 2: It was important to them. Could be mom, could be uncle,
Speaker 2: could be girlfriend, could be sister, whoever it may be.
Speaker 2: And he was sewn. He wanted me to he wanted
Speaker 2: me to come at him. Obviously another family. But Marshawn's
Speaker 2: community was Oakland. It was and just mom. It wasn't cousin.
Speaker 2: It was Oakland. He wanted to know, what can you
Speaker 2: do for my crew in Oakland? And he wanted to
Speaker 2: build a youth center in Oakland. He wanted to give
Speaker 2: back the community. He wanted to empower the community. He
Speaker 2: wanted to change people's lives. And you were really having.
Speaker 3: Those conversations as a junior in college. Yeah, having talking
Speaker 3: about community centers and giving back at that level.
Speaker 4: Sh what like I said, this what year eighteen, that's
Speaker 4: functioning together. And then you think about it like this
Speaker 4: our eighteenth year of you know, doing our our give backs,
Speaker 4: which you know over the years have evolved into bigger
Speaker 4: ship like now we do have the community center. Uh
Speaker 4: So I mean, you know, off rip, like I had
Speaker 4: a football camp to give back to the uh, to
Speaker 4: my to my city before I even was a ship
Speaker 4: NFL player, So you know, it's always been something, uh,
Speaker 4: you know that I strive to do. And then it
Speaker 4: just happened that I had no I had family that
Speaker 4: was you know, in the same position that I was
Speaker 4: with an opportunity to go to the league. So you know, collectively,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean that was the type of hype
Speaker 4: that we was on.
Speaker 2: So I forget this gap. We literally he before he
Speaker 2: gets drafted, he's be smoked. Okay, And this before the Internet.
Speaker 2: There was no there was no social media back then.
Speaker 2: So back in two thousand and seven, no bullshit. Me
Speaker 2: and Marshawn trademarked Besmoke.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and seven, we.
Speaker 2: Spent probably what Marshaun five Grand trademark Bistmode and was
Speaker 2: one of the first athletes ever to trademark something, so
Speaker 2: we trademarked b smoke okay, which begs the question where
Speaker 2: the hell did beast mode come from?
Speaker 1: Realistically? Like it was a it was some ship where.
Speaker 4: Where you know, it was a one of my coaches
Speaker 4: for my little league team used to call me man child.
Speaker 4: And then as it started going on, like boy, that
Speaker 4: boy beast, that boy beast, and then I heard, uh,
Speaker 4: that's when when Boosy started coming out. Uh, and that
Speaker 4: motherfucker was going hard with some ship and he had
Speaker 4: a song, h beach Mo.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that ship was catchy.
Speaker 4: That ship was on and I was feeling that motherfucker
Speaker 4: and then that that man child, which are he a beast?
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and then that ship just transformed to
Speaker 4: on beas mo. But hell, you shout out to boos
Speaker 4: because when that ship came out and that ship started
Speaker 4: going crazy, like yep, I adopted that ship and then.
Speaker 2: Uh and you I mean it literally, it's like a
Speaker 2: mask you put on your face growing up and you
Speaker 2: felt that like this is me.
Speaker 1: What it is.
Speaker 3: That's just it just that was like, e body, do
Speaker 3: you thought you.
Speaker 4: Were that ship is and me not on me, That
Speaker 4: ship is in me. So you know what I mean
Speaker 4: when when that ship started going, like uh, as far
Speaker 4: as you know, the relationship and everything that was uh
Speaker 4: that was happening and you know, coming to life, it
Speaker 4: was like I didn't I didn't know you know that
Speaker 4: these type of things was even possible. And it was
Speaker 4: almost to the fact where it was like I get
Speaker 4: put in a position it was like, well, you know
Speaker 4: they always tell me no, you can't do that, No
Speaker 4: you can't do this, or that's not possible. This is
Speaker 4: that a third So then I'm just like we shit,
Speaker 4: fuck it. Uh hey, Doug, I want to I want
Speaker 4: to you know, I mean, I want to start a
Speaker 4: uh a nonprofit. It was like, all right, hook me
Speaker 4: up with the people to do it. Damn motherfuckers did it.
Speaker 4: Like oh shit, we accomplished some shit. Like damn we
Speaker 4: did it. And it's like, okay, now where we go
Speaker 4: from here.
Speaker 2: Before it became an agent, back back in the days,
Speaker 2: it was transactional. An agent came in this before Jeremy Guire,
Speaker 2: before our lists.
Speaker 3: You mean, when you say transactional men, it was just you,
Speaker 3: you get your your cut, you move on.
Speaker 2: The next agents back in the mid nineties did a
Speaker 2: contract and then they send a Christmas card, maybe it's
Speaker 2: some flower or president on birthday.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: And then when you're done, playing is over with. So
Speaker 2: I want to come in it differently, and I had
Speaker 2: accountability knowing the fact that I want to be with
Speaker 2: Marshawn not for twelve years his career, for thirty forty years,
Speaker 2: because and.
Speaker 3: You know, no, Bs, you honestly had that mindset that
Speaker 3: this was about a relationship that's long, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Because here's the deal. How many jobs in the world
Speaker 2: can you sit there and say you can change someone's life.
Speaker 2: Maybe a teacher, maybe a doctor, maybe a politician, But
Speaker 2: where you can change someone's life. So I say, you know,
Speaker 2: if I'm in this thing, I want to not only
Speaker 2: help Marshan through his career, but also make sure that
Speaker 2: I'm there for him when he's done, because these players
Speaker 2: have problems when they're done. It's not when they're when
Speaker 2: the player is great, the lights are on, checks are
Speaker 2: coming in, but what happens when they're done playing for
Speaker 2: the next twenty thirty years? Any sport you look at
Speaker 2: shows like ESPN broke, you look at all the different
Speaker 2: shows out there. What's going to happen? Then? So I said, listen,
Speaker 2: if I want to get into saying I want to
Speaker 2: be for the real reasons, look after Marshawn Soil. He's
Speaker 2: forty to fifty six years old. I mean necessarily that
Speaker 2: the job I have is people live to work. People
Speaker 2: work to live. Most people in the world, as you know,
Speaker 2: they work at a job and they hate what they do.
Speaker 2: But you got to get a paycheck to pay the rent, mortgage,
Speaker 2: car payment, whatever it may be. I literally have a job.
Speaker 2: I live to work. Mean, I love what I do.
Speaker 2: Don't even really know how much money I make. But
Speaker 2: I get to see client Maran time because she does
Speaker 2: to see I get to see the fruits of it. Man.
Speaker 2: I see what Marshaw's built in terms of what he's
Speaker 2: done for Oakland, the community. He stayed, he hasn't left,
Speaker 2: He's been there being around and so these are the
Speaker 2: kind of things I love doing. The players I want
Speaker 2: to be around with that see the impact.
Speaker 3: Well, and I've seen that directly because I'm a byproduct
Speaker 3: of that relationship with Marshawn and that's how we all
Speaker 3: came into the picture. But a little bit, let me
Speaker 3: step back. I mean, Marshaan was your your biggest first client.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had some bigger ones before that.
Speaker 2: He was, you know, he was obviously big. I had
Speaker 2: some other class.
Speaker 3: I was the biggest, Right had some.
Speaker 1: He had some he like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And then my my biggest thing was like, uh, I
Speaker 4: forgot who it was.
Speaker 1: He had a client that I hollered at. Uh uh
Speaker 1: it was Kevin Barlow.
Speaker 2: Kevin Barlow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hollered at him.
Speaker 4: Man, he was and he the one who really, like
Speaker 4: you know, put into my mind like, you know what,
Speaker 4: you gotta check some ship on another level. Otherwise you
Speaker 4: feel me, you could get kind of tossed to the side.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, like you know what the dynamics
Speaker 4: of the relationship was. But he was just like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, just make sure you stay
Speaker 4: on top of your agent, because like you said, it
Speaker 4: was a tran it was transactional. So you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I I told Doug straight like, hey, it ain't gonna
Speaker 4: be no you feel me, you come, you get this
Speaker 4: check and then you don't holler at me, like, motherfucker,
Speaker 4: you better pick up that phone and higher at your
Speaker 4: boy or when I pick up the phone and I
Speaker 4: ain't calling to just talk to you about you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, what's going on with?
Speaker 1: Uh? You know, a con tract of nothing. I'm a call,
Speaker 1: Hey what's up? How you know? How the kids doing?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, hey, we got this event going on, you better
Speaker 4: come pop out and you know what I mean, show
Speaker 4: what's up? So I mean, you know, I think it
Speaker 4: was you know, both of us being proactive and uh
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, building a relationship that you know,
Speaker 4: we didn't know well our for show didn't know that
Speaker 4: you could have between agent and player. But I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, it was a lot of It was a
Speaker 4: lot of things that you know, I think could have
Speaker 4: hindered that because you know, at the time, Uh, there
Speaker 4: wasn't a I'm pretty sure there's a lot more, but
Speaker 4: there wasn't a lot of black uh black agents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: You know the few that was in it, they they
Speaker 4: they angle was more like, uh, you know, don't go
Speaker 4: and sign with the white boy. And you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, not just saying Doug in general, but you
Speaker 4: know that was just a thing. So you know, for
Speaker 4: me to step out and actually give them an opportunity
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean to start to uh
Speaker 4: be aild to trust in our relationship. That ship was
Speaker 4: That ship was big and it was a leap of
Speaker 4: faith that you know, actually turned out to be.
Speaker 2: I still say to this day of look, Gavin Marshawn
Speaker 2: can make one time, So listen, don't come at me crooked.
Speaker 2: Before I ready to sign, I said, what do you
Speaker 2: mean to make crooked? He said, don't bullsheit me, shoot
Speaker 2: me straight, look me in the eyeball it whether it
Speaker 2: be good or bad. If it's when things are, things
Speaker 2: would be good, but things would go bad. Told me
Speaker 2: the truth and I'll never forget that. He said, don't
Speaker 2: come out met And I know you've never.
Speaker 3: Got that because you bring that up all the time,
Speaker 3: independent of where that came from.
Speaker 2: Don't look at me cricket. And you're always giving people
Speaker 2: that same advice. But was there a moment, Marshaun in
Speaker 2: the relationship where you're like you knew you didn't have
Speaker 2: to you didn't have.
Speaker 3: To worry about this guy anymore. Was there was there
Speaker 3: an incident? Was there an issue? Was there you know something.
Speaker 3: He went the extra mile. You're like, damn, this guy
Speaker 3: is the real deal. I'm one hundred. I'm all in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from from conversations that I had with you know,
Speaker 4: some teammates and uh you know older players about you know,
Speaker 4: the relationships with their agents. Uh, it was a situation
Speaker 4: that that came up, and uh one of my cousins
Speaker 4: had ended up going to jail, and so I called
Speaker 4: Fresh like, hey, blood, my cousin just went down. Bro,
Speaker 4: like I need some help type shit. He like, Okay,
Speaker 4: hold on, I'll call you right back.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: They called me back like, well, what's his name? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Where he went to jail at?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And uh, we're gonna figure some shit out.
Speaker 1: And then you.
Speaker 4: Feel me from there was like, oh shit, he didn't
Speaker 4: judge me based off of you know, uh, you know
Speaker 4: me calling him telling him that my cousin had went
Speaker 4: to jail.
Speaker 1: Like, he didn't backpedal on me. You feel me though.
Speaker 4: He showed up and then you feel me to me
Speaker 4: was the extra step, like you know, I mean because
Speaker 4: of where I was at, you know, I mean, he
Speaker 4: went you know what I mean to the ball bondsman
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, put down his own
Speaker 4: you know, I mean his own chicken type shit, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, like, yeah, this white boy got my
Speaker 4: back on some other ship. Like, but the biggest thing
Speaker 4: it wasn't even the you know, him going down to
Speaker 4: the bail bonds man or you know, handling the situation.
Speaker 4: It was that when it happened, he didn't judge me.
Speaker 4: And that ship was that that ship was big, and
Speaker 4: that's when it had clicked for me, Like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, he might be locked in now. It
Speaker 4: could have been because at that point in time, I
Speaker 4: might have been, uh, his biggest name client. But the
Speaker 4: fact that he went to work and made that ship happen,
Speaker 4: like all right, fresh you remember that?
Speaker 2: Well, no, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. But
Speaker 2: but it's funny kind of as a prelude to where
Speaker 2: you came in this whole relationship. I'll never forget this
Speaker 2: where Shawn had an issue in Buffalo and he it
Speaker 2: was it was a hit and run thing. It was bullshit.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 3: It was just a couple of years.
Speaker 2: This is two thousand, it's like his second year in
Speaker 2: the league. So he's in Buffalo, gets this hit and
Speaker 2: run deal, minor thing.
Speaker 3: It was going to be.
Speaker 2: It was no issue, right, So the team sets him
Speaker 2: up with an attorney. So this attorney thinks he's the
Speaker 2: next Flee Bailey and Johnny Cochran, and he wants to
Speaker 2: not not get the case over with. He wants to
Speaker 2: like make this thing CNN and public and go take
Speaker 2: this thing instead of getting like a misdemeanor ticket, he
Speaker 2: wants to take this thing to court and all that.
Speaker 2: So Marshawn, you know, being from Oakland, He's like, hey, minute,
Speaker 2: don't talk to anybody. Don't talk to your agent, don't
Speaker 2: talk to anybody, lawyers, lawyers, so so. So for three
Speaker 2: four days in a row, I don't hear from Marshawn, okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is weird. Man, Like I literally
Speaker 2: he's not calling me back and so so no bullshit.
Speaker 2: At four in the morning, I wake up my wife,
Speaker 2: Shila will Know says, where are you going. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to Buffalo And she's like, what do you
Speaker 2: mean You're going to Buffalo? And I said, I go,
Speaker 2: I go. I don't know what's going on, but Marshawn's
Speaker 2: not getting back to me. I something this thing doesn't
Speaker 2: get handled because I got tipped off from Goodell that
Speaker 2: if we don't get this case over, something might go down.
Speaker 3: I mean, you'll get suspended.
Speaker 2: Now, this attorney's not calling me back because I'm not
Speaker 2: his client. Marshawn's my client repsisdent. So she's like, where
Speaker 2: are you going? I said, I'm going to Buffalo. She's like,
Speaker 2: have you planned I go? And I said no. So
Speaker 2: I literally go to the air present. I'm going to
Speaker 2: the airport. I book a flight. This is like December.
Speaker 2: I connect through Chicago, get to Buffalo. Okay, I get
Speaker 2: a cab and I go to Marshawn's house. Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: never forget. He opens the door in like a robe
Speaker 2: or his shorts on, a T shirt on eating fruity
Speaker 2: pebbles okay or lucky charms, remember this, and he looks
Speaker 2: at me.
Speaker 3: He says, talk about the diet.
Speaker 2: Later he looks at me and he's like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing here? And I said I came
Speaker 2: here and he says, were you? I didn't know you're
Speaker 2: in town. I said, I didn't know what was coming either.
Speaker 2: He says, what are you here for us to listen
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I need ten minutes. I said, we
Speaker 2: need to fire this attorney. We need to get this
Speaker 2: pledged to a misdemeanor. We need to get it done.
Speaker 2: If not, this thing's going the wrong direction. You're getting suspends.
Speaker 2: After talking to Goodell, well this is when I get
Speaker 2: tipped off before. But I'm like, so here we got it.
Speaker 2: He's like, so what do you think. I said, we
Speaker 2: got to fire the attorney, we got to plead this
Speaker 2: thing out, and we got to be done with it.
Speaker 2: And he says, okay. He says, where are you going?
Speaker 2: I said, I'm getting back in the fucking cab and
Speaker 2: going back to the airport, going home, so literally Chicago.
Speaker 2: I stay, I met Marshawn's fifteen I don't even think
Speaker 2: I come in the house. Fifteen minutes. I get back
Speaker 2: as I land, I get a voice for for more.
Speaker 2: Shawn says, got it, let's get it done. So we
Speaker 2: fired the attorney, got the thing pled down to misdemeanor. Okay,
Speaker 2: got it over with, and hence where you came in
Speaker 2: the relationship.
Speaker 1: And then I.
Speaker 2: Called you when I say, Gavin, I don't know Goodell
Speaker 2: that well at the time, but Marshawn is up for
Speaker 2: us as possible. He's at He's a great kid.
Speaker 3: Have his back. Don't believe any of the bs you're reading.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Oh, this is the real deal. Not
Speaker 3: in a few times. This guy's a great kid. He's
Speaker 3: not this guy.
Speaker 2: And what did you do? You called?
Speaker 3: I called him just and I said, this is I'm
Speaker 3: not asking you for anything. I'm just telling you this
Speaker 3: is a great kid. I don't care what you basically repeated,
Speaker 3: not everything you said, but what I had experienced the
Speaker 3: first few times I met with him, and then you
Speaker 3: vouched for him, So I vouched for you on behalf
Speaker 3: of Marshan and I remember, good. I'll never forget that call.
Speaker 3: First of all, he appreciated the call. It wasn't influential
Speaker 3: in that respect, and I wasn't in a position to
Speaker 3: be quote unquote influential, but it was. It was a
Speaker 3: character of validation that was way out of the norm.
Speaker 3: And he's hearing from some guy like me going, how
Speaker 3: does what's the relationship there? And I remember you can
Speaker 3: tell with Roger. I don't want to speak for Roger,
Speaker 3: but it triggered something of you know, curiosity, How does
Speaker 3: this guy know Marshan.
Speaker 2: And well, the crazy is that is that little I
Speaker 2: was saying, little things in life, you can go into
Speaker 2: directions where it's it changes lives. And that was one
Speaker 2: where if you're a kid, man, that's that goes in
Speaker 2: one or two directions, right, I mean man. And if
Speaker 2: we didn't get ready the attorney and that guy was
Speaker 2: a freaking preck by. If we didn't get rid of
Speaker 2: this guy, I'm not going I just wanted the attorney.
Speaker 3: I didn't say a word. Okay, it's these two.
Speaker 2: But we had to get we had to get him
Speaker 2: out of it. And and if we didn't, who knows what
Speaker 2: direction went. But it all turned out and and liq,
Speaker 2: wh're at today? And there was some other hiccups in
Speaker 2: the road two along that line, and we got him
Speaker 2: out of Buffalo eventually. But that was big on your part, guy,
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that. Let's show more Sean a lot,
Speaker 2: and that's the.
Speaker 3: Beginning of the relationship.
Speaker 4: So that I mean for maybe for for YouTube, but
Speaker 4: the biggest thing was, you know, I mean when we
Speaker 4: I don't know what campus was, it might have been three,
Speaker 4: might have been our third one, but.
Speaker 3: For your camps in Oakland, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, we asked you to come out,
Speaker 4: and you know, I mean I remember his ship like
Speaker 4: yesterday man pull up and yeah, I just remember Josh like,
Speaker 4: you know what's crazy because Mark at the time, Marcus
Speaker 4: was uh pete.
Speaker 1: He was a participant in the camp. He was he
Speaker 1: was Marcus. Yeah, he was a participant in the camp.
Speaker 4: And now I mean now he uh you know, vice
Speaker 4: president for the UH for the foundation. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I know we all sitting on the thing like, man,
Speaker 4: who the fuck is this coming up? Like the president
Speaker 4: type ship and then Batman jump out you feel me,
Speaker 4: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh shit, this motherfucker. Really he really answered the call,
Speaker 1: like all right, cool.
Speaker 4: So then when you come out and then you just
Speaker 4: came and you know, were walking around the track just
Speaker 4: politicing and ship and I just remember when I go
Speaker 4: back on the field, you know, I hear you know
Speaker 4: some of the UH the coaches was like, bro, motherfucker,
Speaker 4: that's Gavin Nue, Like how you get him to come out?
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I have no idea, but the impact
Speaker 4: that it made on them for them to be able
Speaker 4: to see you out there and the way that they responded. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean like your you know, your political status is
Speaker 4: what it is. But I'm like, you know what, fuck
Speaker 4: all that, Like Gavin really just popped out to the hood,
Speaker 4: you feel me doing and and and and really came
Speaker 4: and just was functioning like on some on some solid
Speaker 4: shit like not you know what I mean, worried about
Speaker 4: all the I guess back lad or whatever the fuck
Speaker 4: would have happened for you know, somebody of your statue
Speaker 4: to come out to you know what I mean, come
Speaker 4: to the hood and really just you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: kick it.
Speaker 1: That shit was like damn, like I fucked with brush.
Speaker 4: So then you know, when it comes down to it,
Speaker 4: like you know, we got some events going on in
Speaker 4: the city, Marshan, we need y'all to come out. And
Speaker 4: then I mean for us, because of what we were
Speaker 4: doing in the community, you know, to be at those events,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, it kind of opened our eyes
Speaker 4: to a lot of shit that we didn't know, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, what's happening that was possible for
Speaker 4: us to do. And then I mean, you know, we
Speaker 4: was taking the ship of what we're seeing how y'all
Speaker 4: was rocking and managing shit, and we would take it
Speaker 4: back to Oakland and implemented in our foundation. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean at the end of the day, now you
Speaker 4: look up and yeah, I mean we in year eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's like damn.
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, I'm taking back all those experiences and I'll
Speaker 3: never forget. I mean a number of the families that
Speaker 3: were there, with all the kids and the pride and
Speaker 3: the energy and in your I mean, i mean, here
Speaker 3: you are, this next level rocks. I mean, every one
Speaker 3: of these kids want to be Marshaun Lynch one day.
Speaker 3: And just that deep pride, that sense of community and
Speaker 3: a completely different relationship with the community. It's not intellectual
Speaker 3: and you start to feel that at a deeper level,
Speaker 3: a human level. And it definitely grounded me in the
Speaker 3: work I was doing at the time. I had just
Speaker 3: become mayor of San Francisco. Some across the Bay and
Speaker 3: Nobs started spending more time in Baybey Hunter's Point, in
Speaker 3: the projects at West Point Middle Point. I did something
Speaker 3: called March Gladness instead of March Madness, which is a
Speaker 3: basketball tournament three on three with folks up there in
Speaker 3: the projects. All of that just in relationship to developing
Speaker 3: a deeper relationship with you and Doug in the community
Speaker 3: and a connection that was not again about politics. And
Speaker 3: I think one of the cool things about this podcast
Speaker 3: is it's not about politics. And I know we've framed
Speaker 3: it as politiicing and Marshaun. That's interesting. I imagine people
Speaker 3: are curious how even came up the name, but you
Speaker 3: you talk about it in the context of what you
Speaker 3: do every single day, right.
Speaker 4: Just even like you were just saying so in a
Speaker 4: sense to where you know, like you are a politician
Speaker 4: and then you know, I mean just even like you know,
Speaker 4: back then, you know, some of the people who you know,
Speaker 4: I could say, like the older folk was like damn,
Speaker 4: you know you well fuck you just had at the
Speaker 4: mayor of a San Francisco over here and the mayor
Speaker 4: of Oakland ain't even came and I'm like like damn.
Speaker 4: Like so as I'm looking at it, you know, like
Speaker 4: it's to me, it's like, well, shit, you know, if
Speaker 4: if this motherfucker is the one who you know, run
Speaker 4: a San Francisco and shit, and he would take the
Speaker 4: time out considering you was doing shit over in Frisco,
Speaker 4: but you know, you would take the time to come
Speaker 4: over to Oakland, you know what I mean to politic
Speaker 4: with us, like like, damn, you know, I'm not looking
Speaker 4: at it as a political move for you, because I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure it like, well, why you out there in
Speaker 4: Oakland over there doing something? You know they'll find it
Speaker 4: with somebody gonna find a way to say what you're
Speaker 4: doing over in in they city and not in ours
Speaker 4: type of shit. But the fact that you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I don't think maybe you did,
Speaker 4: But for me, it was like you coming to Oakland,
Speaker 4: like you don't get no political gain from over there.
Speaker 4: You just coming over here to function with your you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, function with your dude, Like what's up.
Speaker 1: With a gap? You good batman?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 4: You really just popped out of the Batmobile and came
Speaker 4: to the hood like, man, what's up?
Speaker 1: Like, hey man, this is my mama. Hey, this is
Speaker 1: my cousin.
Speaker 4: Hey look man, oh man, look brother, this this this
Speaker 4: unk right here.
Speaker 1: And that's Auntie right there.
Speaker 4: You know, we call Uncle Auntie individuals who you know,
Speaker 4: maybe on drug or something. But and while you was there,
Speaker 4: like you feel me, did nobody feel like you know,
Speaker 4: you was looking down at him or feeling uncomfortable. Now,
Speaker 4: you probably had about a million secret services around there
Speaker 4: making sure everything was all good. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: the fact that you was comfortable over there, like you know,
Speaker 4: I mean I look at that type of ship. You
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying now. You know how people you
Speaker 4: know judge you based off of you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: your your if they see on TV Dad like you
Speaker 4: feel me like status. I was looking at you as
Speaker 4: you know, I mean as a as a as a
Speaker 4: as a person like man, let me see what what
Speaker 4: dog really talk about? And dan ship you know, from
Speaker 4: there then you inviting mo fucker to your house and
Speaker 4: hell and shit and I'm like, damn, like, oh dog,
Speaker 4: real dog.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. More sean Like he slid like
Speaker 2: you know, we always say that. More sean Like you
Speaker 2: grew up. And I think when I signed you say,
Speaker 2: hey man, if I make fucking thirty, life's good, kiss
Speaker 2: this guy. And uh, you know, as you know, my
Speaker 2: dad died young forty four, and on his deathbed he
Speaker 2: told me, hey, man, keep good people in your life.
Speaker 2: Life isn't that hard. But treat people right, put people
Speaker 2: good in your corner and have those relationships. And at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you know, it's about finding
Speaker 2: the right people, right, and and and I found the
Speaker 2: right people. You know, Gav has been my partner for
Speaker 2: and brother for twenty five years. You have been as well.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, it's about knowing
Speaker 2: who you're with, know what they're all about, whatnot. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But you're right. People give him
Speaker 2: shit like you know this and that, but you know
Speaker 2: the real people what they're all about.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting, it's it just listen, It's all about judgment,
Speaker 3: Isn't it just judging other people for their circuit. You
Speaker 3: talk about Doug not judging you, about family members, bails, bond,
Speaker 3: anyone looking down at you, wasn't looking past you. And
Speaker 3: I mean it is. I mean it's again back relationship,
Speaker 3: but judgment. That's it's like original sin men to assume
Speaker 3: you know more than you do about someone else. Uh
Speaker 3: And And I think that's kind of the journey we've
Speaker 3: been all on is a little humility and grace and
Speaker 3: appreciation and respect for one another without the judgment, without
Speaker 3: all that stigma, without all the bs. So in every respect,
Speaker 3: this is very likely, not unlikely that we're doing this podcast,
Speaker 3: But for others, they may judge this as a strange circumstance.
Speaker 3: But we need a little bit more of this, a
Speaker 3: little more grace, little amility in the world where people
Speaker 3: are so quick to dismiss people or as you say,
Speaker 3: talk past people or down to people. And and now listen,
Speaker 3: and I think the whole purpose of this damn podcast
Speaker 3: is to get out of that, because right now it's
Speaker 3: just everyone feels it's a zero game. It's scarcity. I
Speaker 3: got to get mine and take off as opposed to
Speaker 3: framework of abundance where we're finding, you know, ways to
Speaker 3: live together and advance together across differences. So anyway, I
Speaker 3: love this. But the origin story is interesting, But man,
Speaker 3: what's more interesting of the damn this journey we've been
Speaker 3: on together over the course last few years.
Speaker 2: And some crazy well you know it's crazy. It was
Speaker 2: crazy stories. I gotta be honest with more Seawan, me
Speaker 2: and Galvin have been blasted only us, but with our
Speaker 2: whole crew and our wives and family, because you know,
Speaker 2: these Seattle days were like fucking I mean, it was.
Speaker 3: Like all San Francisco possible.
Speaker 1: Said very loudly, you know where we're at, right man.
Speaker 2: But let me let me bring you back, Let me
Speaker 2: bring you back never forget this. I'm going to bring
Speaker 2: you back to twenty fourteen. Okay, we were young. We
Speaker 2: were young, Gavin Iron, Gavin Iron, New York and you
Speaker 2: guys playing the Broncos and it's Super Bowl one, the
Speaker 2: whole deal, and you guys come up for the great
Speaker 2: season kind of storybuck ride getting the playoffs, I think
Speaker 2: all three games in the road to get there, and
Speaker 2: we're having a great week and and reving fun doing
Speaker 2: our thing and New York and whatnot. I think we
Speaker 2: were to Howard Stern party one night, did a bunch
Speaker 2: of things. Yeah, but I'll never forget. It's thirty degrees.
Speaker 2: You guys win, and when.
Speaker 3: They didn't win, it was a rent.
Speaker 2: It was over in the first Let me ask you
Speaker 2: a question. Let's establish some So we get down the
Speaker 2: locker room, right, So we're waiting for Marshaun the outside
Speaker 2: of the locker room. What does he tell me when he.
Speaker 3: The hell we even got down the locker room. It's
Speaker 3: a whole nother conversation, and that's you want to talk.
Speaker 1: So was that you don't get to go down?
Speaker 3: Who the hell are we to get down to the
Speaker 3: locker room?
Speaker 1: But before the game, when we was coming in.
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out how because I'm I've
Speaker 4: seen y'all. We met up and Holland before we actually
Speaker 4: went into the stadium to uh.
Speaker 2: We got we got some passes to get down there.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, how do hear y'all even back here?
Speaker 4: I don't let nobody back making up.
Speaker 3: He's never had a pass in his life. He's never
Speaker 3: a ticket in his life. He is the only me
Speaker 3: who did modern day Houdini had nothing on your story.
Speaker 2: That's a fact.
Speaker 3: That's what you could talk place on planet Earth, any
Speaker 3: place on planet Earth. That place was impenetrable. It's a
Speaker 3: super Bowl and it was kind of a Post nine
Speaker 3: It's in New York, YEP. Post nine to eleven super Bowl.
Speaker 2: They had locked the place down, and you're like, we
Speaker 2: got to go down to see Marshaana.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Doug, that ain't happening, not a chance in hell.
Speaker 2: So now we'll get down. There's fucking Marshaan says to me, God,
Speaker 2: I will never forget.
Speaker 3: He doesn't look at any of us. He b lines
Speaker 3: to you headphones on the whole thing, yet your backpack on,
Speaker 3: and You're like, this is the Jerry maguire moment, show
Speaker 3: me the money, show like what the hell?
Speaker 2: And I thought it was a joke and Marshana won
Speaker 2: a joke. He was like physically getting in your face
Speaker 2: and you're kind of smiling like and you're looking at
Speaker 2: me like this is not a Like I had to
Speaker 2: back away.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, like Marcion, you were coming hot.
Speaker 2: You just won the.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, man, dog, you just won the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: How about to take a moment.
Speaker 1: That was you know? That was all yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: you came right out of.
Speaker 3: The Doug yelling and screaming. We got to renegotiate the.
Speaker 2: Contract that he had three years laugh. But he's like
Speaker 2: showing he said it shows me. And I'm like, I'm like, Marshawn,
Speaker 2: you just won.
Speaker 3: Literally, you just won the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Bro, Relax, we did. I did enjoy it. I think
Speaker 1: I got left but here.
Speaker 2: But then what happened? He did get lifting. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: stayed in York. I actually got him a flight the
Speaker 2: next day. He couldn't fly back with the team. You
Speaker 2: know what I got, you walked away. You gave me
Speaker 2: your super Bowl hat, which I still have if you
Speaker 2: need it back. Bro.
Speaker 3: I got like that was amazing.
Speaker 2: But listen, but let's but let's go in. So now
Speaker 2: here's the crazy part. So we go, we go from
Speaker 2: that super Bowl New York. We have a great offseason,
Speaker 2: you do your thing, you have a great time, no deal.
Speaker 2: And as we get into you next season, remember this
Speaker 2: Seahawks team is like the Rolling Stones and Beatles. I
Speaker 2: mean it's electric, right level. I mean we're at these games.
Speaker 2: The city, the energy and the vibe of Seattle is crazy.
Speaker 3: That's a different place, has never been there.
Speaker 2: So they go on and they go on, and they
Speaker 2: go on an eight game winning streak, okay, and this
Speaker 2: town is going nuts, I mean crazy. And I got
Speaker 2: to be honest with Gavin, when I look at the
Speaker 2: state of some of the best times in your life,
Speaker 2: was those seven eight games a years? I mean it
Speaker 2: was unbelievable, right, And.
Speaker 3: So I say that as yeah, you damn damn.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they go on to in game winning streak
Speaker 2: where Shawn has the beast quake. Okay, that was the
Speaker 2: beast quake two against the Cardinals, Beast Quake two and
Speaker 2: and and all that. And so now they go in
Speaker 2: the playoffs, okay, and they go in the playoffs, they win,
Speaker 2: They win the first game, and now we got the Packers. Okay,
Speaker 2: and the Packers game is, true to this day, the
Speaker 2: best game I've ever witnessed some entire life. That game
Speaker 2: unbelievable game.
Speaker 3: You're shaking your head? Why are you shaking your head?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What about that game was that? I mean, was that
Speaker 3: up there isn't for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, most definitely. It was so much ship going
Speaker 4: on that happened in that thing. And then we'll make
Speaker 4: it even better. Is on the other side of that
Speaker 4: is my uh my college quarterback a Rod So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, it just made it even aaron more better. So,
Speaker 4: and the ending to that was it was a trip.
Speaker 4: But see something interesting about that was I think I
Speaker 4: had a I had got in trouble for doing the
Speaker 4: whole my dick from thest So they was telling.
Speaker 3: Me talking about that other time you jump in.
Speaker 4: The end zone and and grab your dick again, We're
Speaker 4: gonna find you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: And then the next week after that, you see that,
Speaker 4: you see them selling pictures the polls with me.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I ain't this about a bitch the
Speaker 1: way gonna.
Speaker 3: To go down that rabbit hole. But what the hell,
Speaker 3: I mean on behalf of your What the hell you
Speaker 3: doing that? What is that?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: Where'd that even come from?
Speaker 4: Look, man, it's just a little thing like sometimes you
Speaker 4: just got to drop your nuts, hold.
Speaker 2: Those things and drop us.
Speaker 3: Like literally, I mean what you just you dive back where?
Speaker 3: I mean? Were you practicing this at home? Where that
Speaker 3: come from?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea, he said, practice
Speaker 1: you're doing this?
Speaker 3: No wonder you have a bad back?
Speaker 1: Now do you know what landing on that motherfucker thatad?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, So Gavin, here's the craziest. So we win the game.
Speaker 3: I remember call it Doug saying what the hell is
Speaker 3: he doing?
Speaker 2: So we win the gall and I go to Marshaan's house.
Speaker 2: Marshall's a little party going on, and I it seemed
Speaker 2: this was like seemed like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3: What do you right after the game?
Speaker 2: At the game, we got to his house, he's got
Speaker 2: people overhold.
Speaker 3: By the way, did you run up to Rogers and
Speaker 3: give him ship after the game?
Speaker 1: Nah? I got out of here.
Speaker 3: You weren't You weren't rubbing anything.
Speaker 2: And are so So I'm with Marshaan and and he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: we got to talk. And this is now a year later,
Speaker 2: after the Denver game, Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Guy, He's like, we got to talk. He said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I need my money. Here we go again, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: is after the Green Bag?
Speaker 1: No, man, that's when I had you talked to. So
Speaker 1: that's when I had you talk to.
Speaker 3: You made no progress off season, you made no progress.
Speaker 2: No, no progress. So he says, he said, we got
Speaker 2: to talk about my contracts. Sod damn.
Speaker 3: Now I'm starting to side with to go and.
Speaker 1: Talk to Mark.
Speaker 2: I did, and you too, and I'll never forget him.
Speaker 1: I had him, I had him that march.
Speaker 3: So I'm starting to side with you on this. It
Speaker 3: took him a damn year.
Speaker 2: So I leave, I leave, I leave his house and
Speaker 2: I go to the people. Say, Doug, you know these
Speaker 2: teams pretty well. And you know these teams well when
Speaker 2: you go through battles and you know them and negotiations
Speaker 2: and battles and fights. So I leave more sean at
Speaker 2: one third. The more I leave your house, I go
Speaker 2: to John's house. Now John's the GM with the Seahawks,
Speaker 2: John John Schneiders, who we all know and love. So
Speaker 2: John Schneider's a gym. He's having a party. He's having
Speaker 2: a good time. He's had a few drinks in him.
Speaker 2: He's a mid Wisconsin going back with the super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Back to Super Bowl. I go to John's house and
Speaker 2: we're sitting there having a great time. And about three
Speaker 2: in the morning, he puts his arm around me and say, Doug,
Speaker 2: how good is this man? How fucking good is this moment?
Speaker 2: I said, what's really good?
Speaker 1: John?
Speaker 2: However, I got it, but I do got to talk.
Speaker 2: He's like, what's up?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: I said, well, yeah, but we got to work on
Speaker 2: more Shawn Steal. He's like, wait a minute, you're here
Speaker 2: party and you want you asking for a new fucking
Speaker 2: contract tonight. I said, yeah, I am John. I go
Speaker 2: he deserves it. He's back there. We got to talk
Speaker 2: about this. He's like, you want me to go to
Speaker 2: Paul Allen before the Super Bowl and asked for a
Speaker 2: new contract. I said, I said, yeah, I do, John,
Speaker 2: I do. Marshawn is shaking his head right now, yes.
Speaker 2: And this turn, this turn, this turned into a bro fest,
Speaker 2: like this is great to fuck you and I'm like,
Speaker 2: fuck you. And now we're young guy, you guys, good friends,
Speaker 2: great friends, at three in the morning. And the crazy
Speaker 2: part about it was we both had way too much
Speaker 2: to drive. Okay, my phone dies, I can't get an uber.
Speaker 2: John can't drive. So John says, fuck you, but sleep
Speaker 2: on my couch throws me like a blanket. So here
Speaker 2: I am sleeping on John Schnyder's couch after I yelled
Speaker 2: at about a new contract from where Shawn in John's
Speaker 2: the best time of his life. This about to go back,
Speaker 2: and I sleep on the freaking couch.
Speaker 3: Redefining the walk of shame the next morning.
Speaker 1: But the next day, but I will. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. But if he didn't or
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 4: Go and talk to UH, to Paul Allen about it,
Speaker 4: that conversation is sparked the relationship with me and UH,
Speaker 4: with me and Paul Island Dad, Like I got a
Speaker 4: lot of respect for that dude, Like, yep, you know
Speaker 4: what he showed He showed up and showed.
Speaker 1: Out for me.
Speaker 4: Like I got a lot of love and respect for
Speaker 4: Paul Island Rest in peace, big dog.
Speaker 1: But that yeah, like like.
Speaker 2: You know, he came to Defense and actually had Hennessy
Speaker 2: with Marshak Hennessy.
Speaker 4: That motherfucker had Putrinity one for you, big dog, and
Speaker 4: remember and say you're I'm gonna throw back and shot
Speaker 4: a patran for you.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because everybody was like, oh, you know
Speaker 1: Paul Is.
Speaker 4: You know, he's weird, he's awkward, this, that and the third.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, ship, all right, all right, put
Speaker 4: him in you know what I mean, I'm gonna sit
Speaker 4: next to him at the at the dinner. And when
Speaker 4: I sat there and win him and we was chopping
Speaker 4: it up, and I'm like, what the fuck they talking about?
Speaker 1: He weird as shit?
Speaker 4: He he said, look cool to me, like and then
Speaker 4: you know it's me, uh, Joe Montana and a couple
Speaker 4: of my teammates and I'm like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 4: have a shot with me. You don't drink like that.
Speaker 4: So he all right, I'll do it like what we're drinking, Like, Oh,
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. It's gonna be good. So I
Speaker 4: got around the patrinityy for everybody.
Speaker 1: So you feel me.
Speaker 4: We cheers through the motherfuckers back like what was that like?
Speaker 4: But Trinity Like, what the fuck is Patrona Hennessy mixed?
Speaker 4: He's like, oh my god, what you just had me drinking,
Speaker 4: he played his guitar and hell of shit. But I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, it turned out to be a good ass night.
Speaker 4: And then you know, everybody work in the organization was like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know what man like I've never seen him in
Speaker 4: last type of yeah, I mean environment and you know,
Speaker 4: move the way that he did. And then I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, from there, shit just you know elevated as
Speaker 4: far as you know, our relationship. Motherfuckers started helping me.
Speaker 4: Like you know, I was looking for some real estate
Speaker 4: honest Seattle to you know, do my store, and damn
Speaker 4: if I had some investments and shit like I would,
Speaker 4: I would send it over to him, and you know
Speaker 4: he would give me like a yay or nay on
Speaker 4: and type shit. And you know what I mean, we
Speaker 4: just started, you know, uh communicating on a level like
Speaker 4: you know say that you know, owners don't really communicate
Speaker 4: with they uh yeah.
Speaker 1: With their players.
Speaker 4: A year it was incredible, Yeah, but you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, he really took the time and the effort
Speaker 4: to like you feel me though, actually holler at me.
Speaker 4: And then it got to a point where, you know,
Speaker 4: after we had lost the uh the super Bowl, like
Speaker 4: you know, I mean He called me and was like
Speaker 4: I need you to be in uh in Seattle, And
Speaker 4: I'm like whin He like tomorrow and I'm like, shit,
Speaker 4: everything cool, like yeah, I just wanna just want to
Speaker 4: talk to you, like like shit, all right, well cool? Uh,
Speaker 4: you know I'll be up there, like yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: over in the uh in the Philippines. Uh in the
Speaker 4: fucking ocean looking for a Japanese fighter ship that suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 4: Like you and the Philippines and you talking about you
Speaker 4: want me to be you got some shit going on,
Speaker 4: but you know what I mean, if anybody can make it work, shit,
Speaker 4: I guess it's you. I don't know how the fuck
Speaker 4: he got from the Philippines. He's back to Seattle in
Speaker 4: the time for the meeting. But when I showed up
Speaker 4: Ship he was right there. I called ug like, hey, bro, uh,
Speaker 4: this motherfucker told me you want me to meet him
Speaker 4: in Seattle at like two o'clock or something like. You
Speaker 4: know what's going on though, like Ship, I don't know.
Speaker 4: But when we got there, we had a very interesting,
Speaker 4: uh conversation.
Speaker 1: But then it just made me think.
Speaker 4: Like like oh you you really fucked with me on
Speaker 4: a on a different level, like this ship is like
Speaker 4: you know this how my uh how my pay grade,
Speaker 4: Like this ain't my type of time. But you know,
Speaker 4: I mean if if, if so, I mean I could
Speaker 4: try and figure some ship out, but like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: want you to. And I'm like, all right, well ship,
Speaker 4: we're gonna rock like that. But I don't know if
Speaker 4: it sparked from you know, the conversation that you and Snyder.
Speaker 3: Ha had the gym.
Speaker 2: Again, mar Shawn, I think true Fleets probably goes down
Speaker 2: as one of the favorite players paulse had in terms
Speaker 2: of basketball or football. And he meant a lot to them,
Speaker 2: and and and it shows it up like that was
Speaker 2: big And I mean and and we're running out of time,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna have plenty of time to talk about.
Speaker 3: That Super Bowl. Yeah, we talked about that. We got
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: By the way, that whole week might be about four episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because there's stuff people not knowing that.
Speaker 3: What happened right after the game, what happened literally well
Speaker 3: I thought the game was still going on. I don't
Speaker 3: even know that. And mar Shaun got home that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into all that and.
Speaker 3: Then we'll explain exactly why Paul was trying to track
Speaker 3: you down.
Speaker 4: Let's just say, man, like you were saying, you know,
Speaker 4: you gotta have good people around. Let's just say I
Speaker 4: have some good people around, and they made some ship happen.
Speaker 1: Happen.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about exactly what happened, and more more
Speaker 3: more of that to come, more that.
Speaker 4: I'm to come on, politic, politic, let's go looking there
Speaker 4: with your little outsider.
Speaker 2: Let's go and probatics go. I like that