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Speaker 1: Man, what's handed?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: You got Marshawn be Small Lynch.

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Speaker 2: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politickets.

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Speaker 1: You're to be, you're knowing to be.

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Speaker 3: I love that your lounge like that. We're just trying

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Speaker 3: to show off your your biceps. Man, what is this?

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Speaker 3: Are you still working out all the time? What happened?

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Speaker 1: Honestly all the time? How are you working out enough

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Speaker 1: not to be?

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Speaker 2: Hell of fact, By the way, Marshawn does just say

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Speaker 2: he looks younger than men?

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Speaker 3: Who does me?

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Speaker 1: It's some morreshawan.

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Speaker 3: I think he's right, it's true. I'm like, I think,

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Speaker 3: how many weeks younger than you? I like, barely even

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Speaker 3: you got it? Like ex football players, a lot of

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Speaker 3: ex athletes they look like I mean they all just let.

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Speaker 4: It go right, yeah, I mean after putting it, I

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Speaker 4: could see how. But man, look I got complications like, man,

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Speaker 4: if I start getting too heavy, my motherfucking backstart killing me.

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Speaker 3: So you got that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is one of those situations where you know,

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Speaker 4: we took for granted when it was younger, Like if

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Speaker 4: you don't.

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Speaker 1: Use it, you lose the type situation.

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Speaker 4: And man, you know I still like to get out

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Speaker 4: So I mean if I if I take too long

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean shoulders, all these nagging as injuries.

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Speaker 3: Were you guys? I'm curious because when you guys first

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Speaker 3: met I mean you were out there, you were you

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Speaker 3: were running back at cal You weren't scout. Were you

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Speaker 3: got to check this Marshawn Lynch guy out. No.

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Speaker 2: I heard about Marshawn and you know, did my homework

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Speaker 2: on him, and then you heard about again. Well, back

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Speaker 2: then everyone kept talking about Adrians, Adrian Peterson and Marshawn

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Speaker 2: its two bust backs. So I went to one cow game,

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Speaker 2: saw the guy. Well, Col's in your backyard. Peterson wasn't

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Speaker 2: in your backyard, right, Peterson wasn't. But naturally you get

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Speaker 2: to know who the guys are. So anyways, I see Marshawn,

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Speaker 2: and I knew that this guy was going to be

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Speaker 3: And you know what I call a little bs when

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Speaker 3: you saw him, you did that or you just on

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Speaker 3: the basis of stats.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I saw him play again.

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Speaker 3: You know me on every damn record at Cal.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not a football guys. You know, I'm a

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Speaker 2: basketball baseball player, which is the irony, right, But how

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Speaker 2: the hell you become a football agent if you're not

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Speaker 2: a football guy? Great, great story. Never never never never, No,

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Speaker 2: never played football. Actually my first client was a running back,

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Speaker 2: Johnny Johnson nineteen ninety one, rookie the year got into

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Speaker 2: football ninety one. That's how long I've been doing this.

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Speaker 3: But you were an agent working, you had a different

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Speaker 3: bunch of different clients, or at least in the agency

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Speaker 3: it was it was basketball. It stepped made Steph Curry,

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Speaker 3: I recall was part of the larger agency. I mean,

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Speaker 3: who was How the hell did this all happen?

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Speaker 2: No, So you know, I've been an agent for God

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Speaker 2: since ninety four and then. But but anyways, when I

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Speaker 2: when I saw more Sean, I knew he was special

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Speaker 2: in the field. But then when I met him and

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Speaker 2: And so I knew he had the factor. Now, ironically,

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Speaker 2: going back to two thousand and six, when I met you,

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Speaker 2: did I think we'd be hosting the podcast together. Probably

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Speaker 2: not okay because like I've said for many times, more

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Speaker 2: Shawn is taking years off my life in a good way,

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Speaker 2: in a bad way.

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Speaker 4: But you say that like, yeah, I mean we've always

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Speaker 4: had the conversation like we should do the remake of

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Speaker 4: Jerry Maguire. Yes, the money because it was it wasn't

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Speaker 4: years later, eighteen years eighteen years later, like we still

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Speaker 3: Did that take a long time? And you say you

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Speaker 3: when you saw him, you talked about the H factor

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Speaker 3: all the stats aside. I mean, this guy's a phenom

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Speaker 3: interest to your agent. You're out there, everybody's hustling. I

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Speaker 3: imagine to get this guy's attention, you immediately identify that

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Speaker 3: it factor. But what what was I mean? What else?

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Speaker 1: I mean?

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Speaker 3: How did you how did you manage then the relationship?

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Speaker 3: How did you first engage Marshawn to make the point

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Speaker 3: that you're a little different than all these other damn

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Speaker 2: Doesn't Well it's interesting because you know, back then, I

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Speaker 3: Sean And for folks that don't know your your uncle

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Speaker 3: playing in the NFL, right, Yeah, So that was the

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Speaker 3: So that was the point.

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Speaker 1: He didn't meet him until.

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Speaker 2: He was down the road, but I knew. But look,

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Speaker 2: I knew Marshawn was different and in a weird way.

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Speaker 2: I knew that, So I didn't I knew I wanted

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Speaker 2: me at the Snoop show. And we go to the

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Speaker 2: Snoop Show in San Francisco and I'm thinking just.

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Speaker 3: He and he just having to randomly have tickets, or.

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Speaker 2: I've known so Snoop knew Jamal Anderson the Dirty Bird

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Speaker 2: ninety four ninety five. Snoop and Jamal were family, so

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Speaker 2: I've known him a long time. So I knew the

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Speaker 2: come instead of him coming solo. He came with probably

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Speaker 3: Snoop guy back then, or you're like, I got nothing

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Speaker 3: to do tonight.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 4: No no I fuck with Snoop for show? But I

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Speaker 4: think it was more so like good kind of flex

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Speaker 4: more so like they used to have runners, which is

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Speaker 4: like individuals that work underneath the agent, right because the

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Doug really played by those rules.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean when when it came down to

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Speaker 3: Me, here's what I can do for you, you know.

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Speaker 4: Or at that point in time, it wasn't so much

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Speaker 4: I'm interested in you and I want to represent you,

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Speaker 4: you know, through the process, and I'm like, uh, okay.

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Speaker 4: But you know Doug his you know, his his anger

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Speaker 4: was just like it seemed like some genuine shit like hey, look,

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Speaker 4: uh you know Snoop in town. We're going to the show,

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Speaker 4: like you know, I mean you should come type shit.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna come pull up on you and

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Speaker 4: see what's up then, like he said, I.

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Speaker 3: Bring you twenty people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't. You know, ship, this was an opportunity ship.

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Speaker 4: We've been listening to the Snoop Ship for for for

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Speaker 3: Had never met him before.

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Speaker 1: Nah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: But honestly, as an agent, had to be the first

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Speaker 3: So you're you're showing how hooked up you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he shows up and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: then afterwards I said, you want to go do you

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Speaker 2: want to go hard Snoop? And so we go see

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Speaker 2: we get with Snoop. Anyway, Snoop says, hey, listen, man,

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Speaker 1: He's family.

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Speaker 3: And I mean he literally used that language he did.

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Speaker 2: And for more Shawn hes still you know, might he

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Speaker 1: Well, he's it is white boy.

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Speaker 3: You were a junior.

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Speaker 1: This white boy, Sally.

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Speaker 3: This white boy Sally. You were a junior at cal

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Speaker 2: So anyway, so that was that was a good start

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Speaker 2: I've been around for thirty years. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: But I knew from Marshawn he was different, and something

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Speaker 2: So anyway, so then he go he goes in and

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Speaker 3: Who is it when you're when you're recruiting folks? Most

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Speaker 2: No, I think I think it depends. I think it's

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Speaker 2: It was important to them. Could be mom, could be uncle,

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Speaker 2: could be girlfriend, could be sister, whoever it may be.

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Speaker 2: And he was sewn. He wanted me to he wanted

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Speaker 2: me to come at him. Obviously another family. But Marshawn's

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Speaker 2: It was Oakland. He wanted to know, what can you

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Speaker 2: do for my crew in Oakland? And he wanted to

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Speaker 2: build a youth center in Oakland. He wanted to give

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Speaker 3: Those conversations as a junior in college. Yeah, having talking

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Speaker 4: Sh what like I said, this what year eighteen, that's

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Speaker 2: Spent probably what Marshaun five Grand trademark Bistmode and was

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Speaker 3: You mean, when you say transactional men, it was just you,

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Speaker 2: And then when you're done, playing is over with. So

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Speaker 3: You know, no, Bs, you honestly had that mindset that

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Speaker 2: Because here's the deal. How many jobs in the world

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Speaker 3: Well, and I've seen that directly because I'm a byproduct

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Speaker 1: He had a client that I hollered at. Uh uh

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hollered at him.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know, like you know what the dynamics

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Speaker 4: I I told Doug straight like, hey, it ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: Uh? You know, a con tract of nothing. I'm a call,

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Speaker 1: Hey what's up? How you know? How the kids doing?

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Speaker 4: Like, hey, we got this event going on, you better

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Speaker 4: we didn't know well our for show didn't know that

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Speaker 4: You know the few that was in it, they they

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Speaker 2: I still say to this day of look, Gavin Marshawn

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Speaker 3: Got that because you bring that up all the time,

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Speaker 2: Don't look at me cricket. And you're always giving people

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Speaker 3: To worry about this guy anymore. Was there was there

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Speaker 1: They called me back like, well, what's his name? You

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And uh, we're gonna figure some shit out.

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Speaker 4: Feel me from there was like, oh shit, he didn't

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Speaker 1: Like, he didn't backpedal on me. You feel me though.

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Speaker 4: He showed up and then you feel me to me

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, like, yeah, this white boy got my

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Speaker 4: It was that when it happened, he didn't judge me.

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Speaker 4: like all right, fresh you remember that?

438
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, no, I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. But

439
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,440
Speaker 2: but it's funny kind of as a prelude to where

440
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 2: you came in this whole relationship. I'll never forget this

441
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 2: where Shawn had an issue in Buffalo and he it

442
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: was it was a hit and run thing. It was bullshit.

443
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 2: Uh you know, the whole thing.

444
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 3: It was just a couple of years.

445
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 2: This is two thousand, it's like his second year in

446
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 2: the league. So he's in Buffalo, gets this hit and

447
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 2: run deal, minor thing.

448
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 3: It was going to be.

449
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 2: It was no issue, right, So the team sets him

450
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: up with an attorney. So this attorney thinks he's the

451
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 2: next Flee Bailey and Johnny Cochran, and he wants to

452
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: not not get the case over with. He wants to

453
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 2: like make this thing CNN and public and go take

454
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: this thing instead of getting like a misdemeanor ticket, he

455
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: wants to take this thing to court and all that.

456
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 2: So Marshawn, you know, being from Oakland, He's like, hey, minute,

457
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: don't talk to anybody. Don't talk to your agent, don't

458
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,719
Speaker 2: talk to anybody, lawyers, lawyers, so so. So for three

459
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: four days in a row, I don't hear from Marshawn, okay,

460
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is weird. Man, Like I literally

461
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: he's not calling me back and so so no bullshit.

462
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 2: At four in the morning, I wake up my wife,

463
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 2: Shila will Know says, where are you going. She's like,

464
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to Buffalo And she's like, what do you

465
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: mean You're going to Buffalo? And I said, I go,

466
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 2: I go. I don't know what's going on, but Marshawn's

467
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: not getting back to me. I something this thing doesn't

468
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: get handled because I got tipped off from Goodell that

469
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 2: if we don't get this case over, something might go down.

470
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you'll get suspended.

471
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: Now, this attorney's not calling me back because I'm not

472
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: his client. Marshawn's my client repsisdent. So she's like, where

473
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 2: are you going? I said, I'm going to Buffalo. She's like,

474
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: have you planned I go? And I said no. So

475
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 2: I literally go to the air present. I'm going to

476
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: the airport. I book a flight. This is like December.

477
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 2: I connect through Chicago, get to Buffalo. Okay, I get

478
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: a cab and I go to Marshawn's house. Okay, I'll

479
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 2: never forget. He opens the door in like a robe

480
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 2: or his shorts on, a T shirt on eating fruity

481
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: pebbles okay or lucky charms, remember this, and he looks

482
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: at me.

483
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: He says, talk about the diet.

484
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 2: Later he looks at me and he's like, what the

485
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing here? And I said I came

486
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 2: here and he says, were you? I didn't know you're

487
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: in town. I said, I didn't know what was coming either.

488
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: He says, what are you here for us to listen

489
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I need ten minutes. I said, we

490
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: need to fire this attorney. We need to get this

491
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 2: pledged to a misdemeanor. We need to get it done.

492
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: If not, this thing's going the wrong direction. You're getting suspends.

493
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 2: After talking to Goodell, well this is when I get

494
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 2: tipped off before. But I'm like, so here we got it.

495
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: He's like, so what do you think. I said, we

496
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: got to fire the attorney, we got to plead this

497
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 2: thing out, and we got to be done with it.

498
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: And he says, okay. He says, where are you going?

499
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: I said, I'm getting back in the fucking cab and

500
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: going back to the airport, going home, so literally Chicago.

501
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: I stay, I met Marshawn's fifteen I don't even think

502
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: I come in the house. Fifteen minutes. I get back

503
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: as I land, I get a voice for for more.

504
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: Shawn says, got it, let's get it done. So we

505
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: fired the attorney, got the thing pled down to misdemeanor. Okay,

506
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 2: got it over with, and hence where you came in

507
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: the relationship.

508
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 1: And then I.

509
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: Called you when I say, Gavin, I don't know Goodell

510
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: that well at the time, but Marshawn is up for

511
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: us as possible. He's at He's a great kid.

512
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 3: Have his back. Don't believe any of the bs you're reading.

513
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Oh, this is the real deal. Not

514
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 3: in a few times. This guy's a great kid. He's

515
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: not this guy.

516
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: And what did you do? You called?

517
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 3: I called him just and I said, this is I'm

518
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: not asking you for anything. I'm just telling you this

519
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 3: is a great kid. I don't care what you basically repeated,

520
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 3: not everything you said, but what I had experienced the

521
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: first few times I met with him, and then you

522
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: vouched for him, So I vouched for you on behalf

523
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: of Marshan and I remember, good. I'll never forget that call.

524
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 3: First of all, he appreciated the call. It wasn't influential

525
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: in that respect, and I wasn't in a position to

526
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: be quote unquote influential, but it was. It was a

527
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: character of validation that was way out of the norm.

528
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: And he's hearing from some guy like me going, how

529
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: does what's the relationship there? And I remember you can

530
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: tell with Roger. I don't want to speak for Roger,

531
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: but it triggered something of you know, curiosity, How does

532
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: this guy know Marshan.

533
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: And well, the crazy is that is that little I

534
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: was saying, little things in life, you can go into

535
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: directions where it's it changes lives. And that was one

536
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: where if you're a kid, man, that's that goes in

537
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: one or two directions, right, I mean man. And if

538
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: we didn't get ready the attorney and that guy was

539
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: a freaking preck by. If we didn't get rid of

540
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: this guy, I'm not going I just wanted the attorney.

541
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: I didn't say a word. Okay, it's these two.

542
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: But we had to get we had to get him

543
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: out of it. And and if we didn't, who knows what

544
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: direction went. But it all turned out and and liq,

545
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: wh're at today? And there was some other hiccups in

546
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: the road two along that line, and we got him

547
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: out of Buffalo eventually. But that was big on your part, guy,

548
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that. Let's show more Sean a lot,

549
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: and that's the.

550
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: Beginning of the relationship.

551
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: So that I mean for maybe for for YouTube, but

552
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 4: the biggest thing was, you know, I mean when we

553
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 4: I don't know what campus was, it might have been three,

554
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: might have been our third one, but.

555
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: For your camps in Oakland, Yeah.

556
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, we asked you to come out,

557
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: and you know, I mean I remember his ship like

558
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 4: yesterday man pull up and yeah, I just remember Josh like,

559
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: you know what's crazy because Mark at the time, Marcus

560
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: was uh pete.

561
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: He was a participant in the camp. He was he

562
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: was Marcus. Yeah, he was a participant in the camp.

563
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 4: And now I mean now he uh you know, vice

564
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: president for the UH for the foundation. But yeah, I

565
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 4: mean I know we all sitting on the thing like, man,

566
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: who the fuck is this coming up? Like the president

567
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 4: type ship and then Batman jump out you feel me,

568
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: and I'm.

569
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: Like, oh shit, this motherfucker. Really he really answered the call,

570
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: like all right, cool.

571
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: So then when you come out and then you just

572
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 4: came and you know, were walking around the track just

573
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 4: politicing and ship and I just remember when I go

574
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: back on the field, you know, I hear you know

575
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: some of the UH the coaches was like, bro, motherfucker,

576
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 4: that's Gavin Nue, Like how you get him to come out?

577
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I have no idea, but the impact

578
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: that it made on them for them to be able

579
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: to see you out there and the way that they responded. Yeah,

580
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean like your you know, your political status is

581
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 4: what it is. But I'm like, you know what, fuck

582
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: all that, Like Gavin really just popped out to the hood,

583
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: you feel me doing and and and and really came

584
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: and just was functioning like on some on some solid

585
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: shit like not you know what I mean, worried about

586
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: all the I guess back lad or whatever the fuck

587
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: would have happened for you know, somebody of your statue

588
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 4: to come out to you know what I mean, come

589
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: to the hood and really just you know what I mean,

590
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: kick it.

591
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: That shit was like damn, like I fucked with brush.

592
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 4: So then you know, when it comes down to it,

593
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: like you know, we got some events going on in

594
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: the city, Marshan, we need y'all to come out. And

595
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: then I mean for us, because of what we were

596
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: doing in the community, you know, to be at those events,

597
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, it kind of opened our eyes

598
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: to a lot of shit that we didn't know, you

599
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: know what I mean, what's happening that was possible for

600
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: us to do. And then I mean, you know, we

601
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 4: was taking the ship of what we're seeing how y'all

602
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: was rocking and managing shit, and we would take it

603
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 4: back to Oakland and implemented in our foundation. And it's like, yeah,

604
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: I mean at the end of the day, now you

605
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: look up and yeah, I mean we in year eighteen.

606
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: It's like damn.

607
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, I'm taking back all those experiences and I'll

608
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: never forget. I mean a number of the families that

609
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: were there, with all the kids and the pride and

610
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: the energy and in your I mean, i mean, here

611
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: you are, this next level rocks. I mean, every one

612
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: of these kids want to be Marshaun Lynch one day.

613
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: And just that deep pride, that sense of community and

614
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: a completely different relationship with the community. It's not intellectual

615
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: and you start to feel that at a deeper level,

616
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: a human level. And it definitely grounded me in the

617
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: work I was doing at the time. I had just

618
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 3: become mayor of San Francisco. Some across the Bay and

619
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: Nobs started spending more time in Baybey Hunter's Point, in

620
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: the projects at West Point Middle Point. I did something

621
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: called March Gladness instead of March Madness, which is a

622
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: basketball tournament three on three with folks up there in

623
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: the projects. All of that just in relationship to developing

624
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: a deeper relationship with you and Doug in the community

625
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: and a connection that was not again about politics. And

626
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: I think one of the cool things about this podcast

627
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: is it's not about politics. And I know we've framed

628
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: it as politiicing and Marshaun. That's interesting. I imagine people

629
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: are curious how even came up the name, but you

630
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: you talk about it in the context of what you

631
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: do every single day, right.

632
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: Just even like you were just saying so in a

633
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: sense to where you know, like you are a politician

634
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: and then you know, I mean just even like you know,

635
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: back then, you know, some of the people who you know,

636
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: I could say, like the older folk was like damn,

637
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 4: you know you well fuck you just had at the

638
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: mayor of a San Francisco over here and the mayor

639
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: of Oakland ain't even came and I'm like like damn.

640
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Like so as I'm looking at it, you know, like

641
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 4: it's to me, it's like, well, shit, you know, if

642
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: if this motherfucker is the one who you know, run

643
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: a San Francisco and shit, and he would take the

644
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: time out considering you was doing shit over in Frisco,

645
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: but you know, you would take the time to come

646
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: over to Oakland, you know what I mean to politic

647
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: with us, like like, damn, you know, I'm not looking

648
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: at it as a political move for you, because I'm

649
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: pretty sure it like, well, why you out there in

650
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: Oakland over there doing something? You know they'll find it

651
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: with somebody gonna find a way to say what you're

652
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: doing over in in they city and not in ours

653
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: type of shit. But the fact that you know what

654
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I don't think maybe you did,

655
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: But for me, it was like you coming to Oakland,

656
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: like you don't get no political gain from over there.

657
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: You just coming over here to function with your you

658
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 4: know what I mean, function with your dude, Like what's up.

659
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: With a gap? You good batman?

660
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: Bro?

661
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: You really just popped out of the Batmobile and came

662
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: to the hood like, man, what's up?

663
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: Like, hey man, this is my mama. Hey, this is

664
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: my cousin.

665
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: Hey look man, oh man, look brother, this this this

666
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: unk right here.

667
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: And that's Auntie right there.

668
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: You know, we call Uncle Auntie individuals who you know,

669
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: maybe on drug or something. But and while you was there,

670
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: like you feel me, did nobody feel like you know,

671
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: you was looking down at him or feeling uncomfortable. Now,

672
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 4: you probably had about a million secret services around there

673
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: making sure everything was all good. But yeah, I mean

674
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: the fact that you was comfortable over there, like you know,

675
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: I mean I look at that type of ship. You

676
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying now. You know how people you

677
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: know judge you based off of you know, uh, you know,

678
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: your your if they see on TV Dad like you

679
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: feel me like status. I was looking at you as

680
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 4: you know, I mean as a as a as a

681
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: as a person like man, let me see what what

682
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 4: dog really talk about? And dan ship you know, from

683
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: there then you inviting mo fucker to your house and

684
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: hell and shit and I'm like, damn, like, oh dog,

685
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: real dog.

686
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. More sean Like he slid like

687
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: you know, we always say that. More sean Like you

688
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: grew up. And I think when I signed you say,

689
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: hey man, if I make fucking thirty, life's good, kiss

690
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: this guy. And uh, you know, as you know, my

691
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: dad died young forty four, and on his deathbed he

692
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: told me, hey, man, keep good people in your life.

693
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: Life isn't that hard. But treat people right, put people

694
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: good in your corner and have those relationships. And at

695
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you know, it's about finding

696
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: the right people, right, and and and I found the

697
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: right people. You know, Gav has been my partner for

698
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: and brother for twenty five years. You have been as well.

699
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, it's about knowing

700
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: who you're with, know what they're all about, whatnot. You

701
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But you're right. People give him

702
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: shit like you know this and that, but you know

703
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: the real people what they're all about.

704
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: But it's interesting, it's it just listen, It's all about judgment,

705
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 3: Isn't it just judging other people for their circuit. You

706
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: talk about Doug not judging you, about family members, bails, bond,

707
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: anyone looking down at you, wasn't looking past you. And

708
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: I mean it is. I mean it's again back relationship,

709
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: but judgment. That's it's like original sin men to assume

710
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: you know more than you do about someone else. Uh

711
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: And And I think that's kind of the journey we've

712
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: been all on is a little humility and grace and

713
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: appreciation and respect for one another without the judgment, without

714
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: all that stigma, without all the bs. So in every respect,

715
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: this is very likely, not unlikely that we're doing this podcast,

716
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: But for others, they may judge this as a strange circumstance.

717
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: But we need a little bit more of this, a

718
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: little more grace, little amility in the world where people

719
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: are so quick to dismiss people or as you say,

720
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: talk past people or down to people. And and now listen,

721
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: and I think the whole purpose of this damn podcast

722
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: is to get out of that, because right now it's

723
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: just everyone feels it's a zero game. It's scarcity. I

724
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: got to get mine and take off as opposed to

725
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: framework of abundance where we're finding, you know, ways to

726
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: live together and advance together across differences. So anyway, I

727
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: love this. But the origin story is interesting, But man,

728
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: what's more interesting of the damn this journey we've been

729
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: on together over the course last few years.

730
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: And some crazy well you know it's crazy. It was

731
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: crazy stories. I gotta be honest with more Seawan, me

732
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: and Galvin have been blasted only us, but with our

733
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: whole crew and our wives and family, because you know,

734
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: these Seattle days were like fucking I mean, it was.

735
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: Like all San Francisco possible.

736
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: Said very loudly, you know where we're at, right man.

737
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: But let me let me bring you back, Let me

738
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: bring you back never forget this. I'm going to bring

739
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: you back to twenty fourteen. Okay, we were young. We

740
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: were young, Gavin Iron, Gavin Iron, New York and you

741
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: guys playing the Broncos and it's Super Bowl one, the

742
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: whole deal, and you guys come up for the great

743
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: season kind of storybuck ride getting the playoffs, I think

744
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: all three games in the road to get there, and

745
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: we're having a great week and and reving fun doing

746
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: our thing and New York and whatnot. I think we

747
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: were to Howard Stern party one night, did a bunch

748
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: of things. Yeah, but I'll never forget. It's thirty degrees.

749
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: You guys win, and when.

750
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: They didn't win, it was a rent.

751
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: It was over in the first Let me ask you

752
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: a question. Let's establish some So we get down the

753
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: locker room, right, So we're waiting for Marshaun the outside

754
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: of the locker room. What does he tell me when he.

755
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: The hell we even got down the locker room. It's

756
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 3: a whole nother conversation, and that's you want to talk.

757
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: So was that you don't get to go down?

758
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: Who the hell are we to get down to the

759
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: locker room?

760
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: But before the game, when we was coming in.

761
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out how because I'm I've

762
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 4: seen y'all. We met up and Holland before we actually

763
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 4: went into the stadium to uh.

764
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: We got we got some passes to get down there.

765
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: So I'm like, how do hear y'all even back here?

766
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: I don't let nobody back making up.

767
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: He's never had a pass in his life. He's never

768
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: a ticket in his life. He is the only me

769
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: who did modern day Houdini had nothing on your story.

770
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: That's a fact.

771
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: That's what you could talk place on planet Earth, any

772
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: place on planet Earth. That place was impenetrable. It's a

773
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: super Bowl and it was kind of a Post nine

774
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 3: It's in New York, YEP. Post nine to eleven super Bowl.

775
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: They had locked the place down, and you're like, we

776
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: got to go down to see Marshaana.

777
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, Doug, that ain't happening, not a chance in hell.

778
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: So now we'll get down. There's fucking Marshaan says to me, God,

779
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: I will never forget.

780
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 3: He doesn't look at any of us. He b lines

781
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: to you headphones on the whole thing, yet your backpack on,

782
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: and You're like, this is the Jerry maguire moment, show

783
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: me the money, show like what the hell?

784
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: And I thought it was a joke and Marshana won

785
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: a joke. He was like physically getting in your face

786
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: and you're kind of smiling like and you're looking at

787
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: me like this is not a Like I had to

788
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: back away.

789
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, like Marcion, you were coming hot.

790
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: You just won the.

791
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, man, dog, you just won the super Bowl.

792
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: How about to take a moment.

793
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: That was you know? That was all yeah. I mean

794
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: you came right out of.

795
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: The Doug yelling and screaming. We got to renegotiate the.

796
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: Contract that he had three years laugh. But he's like

797
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: showing he said it shows me. And I'm like, I'm like, Marshawn,

798
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: you just won.

799
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: Literally, you just won the super Bowl.

800
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Bro, Relax, we did. I did enjoy it. I think

801
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: I got left but here.

802
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: But then what happened? He did get lifting. Yeah, he

803
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: stayed in York. I actually got him a flight the

804
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: next day. He couldn't fly back with the team. You

805
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: know what I got, you walked away. You gave me

806
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: your super Bowl hat, which I still have if you

807
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: need it back. Bro.

808
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: I got like that was amazing.

809
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: But listen, but let's but let's go in. So now

810
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: here's the crazy part. So we go, we go from

811
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: that super Bowl New York. We have a great offseason,

812
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: you do your thing, you have a great time, no deal.

813
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: And as we get into you next season, remember this

814
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: Seahawks team is like the Rolling Stones and Beatles. I

815
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: mean it's electric, right level. I mean we're at these games.

816
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: The city, the energy and the vibe of Seattle is crazy.

817
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: That's a different place, has never been there.

818
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: So they go on and they go on, and they

819
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: go on an eight game winning streak, okay, and this

820
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: town is going nuts, I mean crazy. And I got

821
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: to be honest with Gavin, when I look at the

822
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: state of some of the best times in your life,

823
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: was those seven eight games a years? I mean it

824
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: was unbelievable, right, And.

825
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: So I say that as yeah, you damn damn.

826
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, they go on to in game winning streak

827
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: where Shawn has the beast quake. Okay, that was the

828
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: beast quake two against the Cardinals, Beast Quake two and

829
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: and and all that. And so now they go in

830
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: the playoffs, okay, and they go in the playoffs, they win,

831
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: They win the first game, and now we got the Packers. Okay,

832
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: and the Packers game is, true to this day, the

833
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: best game I've ever witnessed some entire life. That game

834
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: unbelievable game.

835
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: You're shaking your head? Why are you shaking your head?

836
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: What?

837
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: What about that game was that? I mean, was that

838
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: up there isn't for you?

839
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

840
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, most definitely. It was so much ship going

841
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: on that happened in that thing. And then we'll make

842
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: it even better. Is on the other side of that

843
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: is my uh my college quarterback a Rod So yeah,

844
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it just made it even aaron more better. So,

845
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: and the ending to that was it was a trip.

846
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: But see something interesting about that was I think I

847
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: had a I had got in trouble for doing the

848
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: whole my dick from thest So they was telling.

849
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: Me talking about that other time you jump in.

850
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: The end zone and and grab your dick again, We're

851
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: gonna find you.

852
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, what the fuck?

853
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: And then the next week after that, you see that,

854
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: you see them selling pictures the polls with me.

855
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I ain't this about a bitch the

856
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: way gonna.

857
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: To go down that rabbit hole. But what the hell,

858
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: I mean on behalf of your What the hell you

859
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 3: doing that? What is that?

860
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: What is that?

861
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: Where'd that even come from?

862
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: Look, man, it's just a little thing like sometimes you

863
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: just got to drop your nuts, hold.

864
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: Those things and drop us.

865
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: Like literally, I mean what you just you dive back where?

866
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: I mean? Were you practicing this at home? Where that

867
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: come from?

868
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea, he said, practice

869
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: you're doing this?

870
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 3: No wonder you have a bad back?

871
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Now do you know what landing on that motherfucker thatad?

872
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: Yes?

873
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Yes, So Gavin, here's the craziest. So we win the game.

874
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: I remember call it Doug saying what the hell is

875
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: he doing?

876
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: So we win the gall and I go to Marshaan's house.

877
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Marshall's a little party going on, and I it seemed

878
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: this was like seemed like it was yesterday.

879
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: What do you right after the game?

880
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: At the game, we got to his house, he's got

881
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: people overhold.

882
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: By the way, did you run up to Rogers and

883
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: give him ship after the game?

884
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: Nah? I got out of here.

885
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: You weren't You weren't rubbing anything.

886
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: And are so So I'm with Marshaan and and he's like, hey, man,

887
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: we got to talk. And this is now a year later,

888
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: after the Denver game, Super Bowl.

889
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: Guy, He's like, we got to talk. He said, hey, man,

891
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: I need my money. Here we go again, and I'm like,

892
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: is after the Green Bag?

893
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: No, man, that's when I had you talked to. So

894
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: that's when I had you talk to.

895
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: You made no progress off season, you made no progress.

896
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: No, no progress. So he says, he said, we got

897
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: to talk about my contracts. Sod damn.

898
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: Now I'm starting to side with to go and.

899
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: Talk to Mark.

900
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: I did, and you too, and I'll never forget him.

901
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: I had him, I had him that march.

902
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: So I'm starting to side with you on this. It

903
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: took him a damn year.

904
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: So I leave, I leave, I leave his house and

905
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: I go to the people. Say, Doug, you know these

906
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: teams pretty well. And you know these teams well when

907
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: you go through battles and you know them and negotiations

908
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: and battles and fights. So I leave more sean at

909
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: one third. The more I leave your house, I go

910
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: to John's house. Now John's the GM with the Seahawks,

911
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: John John Schneiders, who we all know and love. So

912
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: John Schneider's a gym. He's having a party. He's having

913
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: a good time. He's had a few drinks in him.

914
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: He's a mid Wisconsin going back with the super Bowls.

915
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Back to Super Bowl. I go to John's house and

916
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: we're sitting there having a great time. And about three

917
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: in the morning, he puts his arm around me and say, Doug,

918
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: how good is this man? How fucking good is this moment?

919
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: I said, what's really good?

920
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 1: John?

921
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: However, I got it, but I do got to talk.

922
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: He's like, what's up?

923
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: Okay?

924
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: I said, well, yeah, but we got to work on

925
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: more Shawn Steal. He's like, wait a minute, you're here

926
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: party and you want you asking for a new fucking

927
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: contract tonight. I said, yeah, I am John. I go

928
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: he deserves it. He's back there. We got to talk

929
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: about this. He's like, you want me to go to

930
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Paul Allen before the Super Bowl and asked for a

931
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: new contract. I said, I said, yeah, I do, John,

932
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: I do. Marshawn is shaking his head right now, yes.

933
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: And this turn, this turn, this turned into a bro fest,

934
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: like this is great to fuck you and I'm like,

935
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: fuck you. And now we're young guy, you guys, good friends,

936
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: great friends, at three in the morning. And the crazy

937
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: part about it was we both had way too much

938
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: to drive. Okay, my phone dies, I can't get an uber.

939
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: John can't drive. So John says, fuck you, but sleep

940
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: on my couch throws me like a blanket. So here

941
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: I am sleeping on John Schnyder's couch after I yelled

942
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 2: at about a new contract from where Shawn in John's

943
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: the best time of his life. This about to go back,

944
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: and I sleep on the freaking couch.

945
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: Redefining the walk of shame the next morning.

946
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: But the next day, but I will. I don't know.

947
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. But if he didn't or

948
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: he did.

949
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 4: Go and talk to UH, to Paul Allen about it,

950
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 4: that conversation is sparked the relationship with me and UH,

951
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 4: with me and Paul Island Dad, Like I got a

952
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 4: lot of respect for that dude, Like, yep, you know

953
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 4: what he showed He showed up and showed.

954
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: Out for me.

955
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: Like I got a lot of love and respect for

956
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: Paul Island Rest in peace, big dog.

957
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: But that yeah, like like.

958
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, he came to Defense and actually had Hennessy

959
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: with Marshak Hennessy.

960
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: That motherfucker had Putrinity one for you, big dog, and

961
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: remember and say you're I'm gonna throw back and shot

962
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: a patran for you.

963
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because everybody was like, oh, you know

964
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: Paul Is.

965
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: You know, he's weird, he's awkward, this, that and the third.

966
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, ship, all right, all right, put

967
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 4: him in you know what I mean, I'm gonna sit

968
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: next to him at the at the dinner. And when

969
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 4: I sat there and win him and we was chopping

970
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: it up, and I'm like, what the fuck they talking about?

971
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: He weird as shit?

972
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: He he said, look cool to me, like and then

973
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: you know it's me, uh, Joe Montana and a couple

974
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: of my teammates and I'm like, hey, you know what,

975
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 4: have a shot with me. You don't drink like that.

976
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: So he all right, I'll do it like what we're drinking, Like, Oh,

977
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. It's gonna be good. So I

978
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 4: got around the patrinityy for everybody.

979
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: So you feel me.

980
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 4: We cheers through the motherfuckers back like what was that like?

981
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: But Trinity Like, what the fuck is Patrona Hennessy mixed?

982
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 4: He's like, oh my god, what you just had me drinking,

983
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 4: he played his guitar and hell of shit. But I mean,

984
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: you know, it turned out to be a good ass night.

985
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: And then you know, everybody work in the organization was like, hey,

986
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: you know what man like I've never seen him in

987
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 4: last type of yeah, I mean environment and you know,

988
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: move the way that he did. And then I mean,

989
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: you know, from there, shit just you know elevated as

990
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: far as you know, our relationship. Motherfuckers started helping me.

991
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: Like you know, I was looking for some real estate

992
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 4: honest Seattle to you know, do my store, and damn

993
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: if I had some investments and shit like I would,

994
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: I would send it over to him, and you know

995
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: he would give me like a yay or nay on

996
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 4: and type shit. And you know what I mean, we

997
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 4: just started, you know, uh communicating on a level like

998
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 4: you know say that you know, owners don't really communicate

999
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: with they uh yeah.

1000
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: With their players.

1001
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: A year it was incredible, Yeah, but you know what

1002
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he really took the time and the effort

1003
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: to like you feel me though, actually holler at me.

1004
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: And then it got to a point where, you know,

1005
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 4: after we had lost the uh the super Bowl, like

1006
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: you know, I mean He called me and was like

1007
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: I need you to be in uh in Seattle, And

1008
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: I'm like whin He like tomorrow and I'm like, shit,

1009
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: everything cool, like yeah, I just wanna just want to

1010
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: talk to you, like like shit, all right, well cool? Uh,

1011
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: you know I'll be up there, like yeah, I'm I'm

1012
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: over in the uh in the Philippines. Uh in the

1013
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 4: fucking ocean looking for a Japanese fighter ship that suck.

1014
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like what the fuck?

1015
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 4: Like you and the Philippines and you talking about you

1016
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: want me to be you got some shit going on,

1017
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 4: but you know what I mean, if anybody can make it work, shit,

1018
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: I guess it's you. I don't know how the fuck

1019
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: he got from the Philippines. He's back to Seattle in

1020
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: the time for the meeting. But when I showed up

1021
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: Ship he was right there. I called ug like, hey, bro, uh,

1022
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: this motherfucker told me you want me to meet him

1023
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 4: in Seattle at like two o'clock or something like. You

1024
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: know what's going on though, like Ship, I don't know.

1025
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 4: But when we got there, we had a very interesting,

1026
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: uh conversation.

1027
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: But then it just made me think.

1028
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: Like like oh you you really fucked with me on

1029
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: a on a different level, like this ship is like

1030
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 4: you know this how my uh how my pay grade,

1031
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: Like this ain't my type of time. But you know,

1032
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean if if, if so, I mean I could

1033
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 4: try and figure some ship out, but like, yeah, I

1034
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: want you to. And I'm like, all right, well ship,

1035
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: we're gonna rock like that. But I don't know if

1036
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: it sparked from you know, the conversation that you and Snyder.

1037
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Ha had the gym.

1038
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: Again, mar Shawn, I think true Fleets probably goes down

1039
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: as one of the favorite players paulse had in terms

1040
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: of basketball or football. And he meant a lot to them,

1041
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: and and and it shows it up like that was

1042
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: big And I mean and and we're running out of time,

1043
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: but we're gonna have plenty of time to talk about.

1044
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: That Super Bowl. Yeah, we talked about that. We got

1045
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: a lot.

1046
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: By the way, that whole week might be about four episodes. Yeah,

1047
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: because there's stuff people not knowing that.

1048
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: What happened right after the game, what happened literally well

1049
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 3: I thought the game was still going on. I don't

1050
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: even know that. And mar Shaun got home that night.

1051
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into all that and.

1052
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: Then we'll explain exactly why Paul was trying to track

1053
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: you down.

1054
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 4: Let's just say, man, like you were saying, you know,

1055
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: you gotta have good people around. Let's just say I

1056
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: have some good people around, and they made some ship happen.

1057
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Happen.

1058
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about exactly what happened, and more more

1059
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: more of that to come, more that.

1060
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 4: I'm to come on, politic, politic, let's go looking there

1061
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: with your little outsider.

1062
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: Let's go and probatics go. I like that