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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Everybody? Welcome to move the Stick DJ, Buck with you

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Speaker 2: on a Friday, Buck, what's up man?

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Speaker 1: Now? DJ it is on and popping. Great weekend of

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Speaker 1: a bunch of games to why so I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: You about Yeah, we are going to focus on some

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks today. I'm not gonna be a long podcast, but

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Speaker 2: something we were curious about. So we had a bill

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Speaker 2: producing a bill do some dig and do some homework

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Speaker 2: for us. Wanted to see where where do these guys

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Speaker 2: come from? Who's producing the quarterbacks right now? Buck, you've

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Speaker 2: been around working with the Lead eleven for a decade plus,

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Speaker 2: get a chance to see a lot of these guys

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Speaker 2: are coming up through the high school ranks. But I

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Speaker 2: was curious to see what the numbers look like. We

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Speaker 2: talked a lot about Texas. It seems like, man, we're

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Speaker 2: getting a lot of quarterbacks coming from Texas. And I've

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Speaker 2: had a lot of success at the NFL level. Georgia

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Speaker 2: lot and we'll go through each of these, but man,

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Speaker 2: I was almost a little surprised I thought it was

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Speaker 2: one of those things where we think that California is

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Speaker 2: producing these guys, but really, you know, Mad, it's more

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Speaker 2: they are nine starting quarterbacks from our state here in California.

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Speaker 1: Well, the common denominator between the teams or the states

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Speaker 1: that are producing these high level quarterbacks weather an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: The explosion of two things seven h seven culture and

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Speaker 1: quarterback training opportunities has allowed these young quarterbacks to develop

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Speaker 1: seen before. In California, in particularly, the weather is conducive

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Speaker 1: to being able to do football stuff year round. So

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Speaker 1: whether you're in season going through your stuff or out

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Speaker 1: and throwing it all over the yard. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why we're not only seeing passes, but we're

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Speaker 1: previous generation of quarterbacks, and those reps are allowing guys

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Speaker 1: eventually leads to these guys being drafted and the keys

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Speaker 2: As I'm looking at this I believe only four are

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Speaker 2: those are the states with multiple starting quarterbacks. Obviously, think

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Speaker 2: about the climates that you just mentioned in that discussion. California, Texas, Florida, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's you can play year round. There the other states

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Speaker 2: of the thirty two starters in the NFL, four come

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Speaker 1: It's not happening. So it's just telling you that the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to throw it all over the yard three sixty five,

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Speaker 1: in California, Southern California in particular, we see it all

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Speaker 1: the time. DJ. It never stops like if the football

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Speaker 1: season ends December one. They're already on the field December tenth,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going through and pulling these guys out. So

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Speaker 2: those four quarterbacks would be Joe Burrow, son of a coach,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he got a ton of reps he played

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Speaker 1: And I know California is a bad rap in terms

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Speaker 2: Their top twenty five high school teams every year, I

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Speaker 1: They're in there. So there's good football that's being played

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through division by division here and

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Speaker 2: just I want you to just grab you can grab

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Speaker 2: one quarterback because I guarantee you, because of Bucky's background

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Speaker 2: all right. So, and I know you have one here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's talk about two. And let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the importance because on the previous podcast, we talked about

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Speaker 1: know he doesn't have this army, he doesn't make this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a perfect He's a perfect fit for what

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Speaker 2: capitalize take advantage of it. AFC North, You've got fields

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Speaker 2: think people forget, you know, just how highly regarded he

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Speaker 1: It's the biggest mystery that I've ever encountered. Right, It's

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Speaker 1: the biggest mystery just because Justin Fields was an Elite

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Speaker 1: But the dude that I saw not only in high school,

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Speaker 1: To me, it is about like we've talked about with

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Speaker 1: what you do really well. To me, that's what Justin

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Speaker 1: a high level quarterback. I think is the right fit,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious to see how he plays this week.

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Speaker 2: Another opportunity this week. If he plays well, they win.

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Speaker 2: He's going to make it increasingly harder for them to

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Speaker 1: DJ, I've seen this happened so many times as a player.

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Speaker 1: you know it, DJ, that rotation never changes.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, I saw it.

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Speaker 2: I saw it in my little Rinki dent career. In college.

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Speaker 2: I got we had there was two quarterbacks and we

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Speaker 2: My senior year, he goes in, he plays, he gets hurt.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Anthony Rigson. I've told enough stories about

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm pulling it up right now because I wanted

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson Okay, he ended up being my tenth player.

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Speaker 2: Richardson packs elite arm strength and athleticism into a big

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Speaker 2: but his upside exceeds everyone in this draft class. He's

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it is. And I'm gonna say this,

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Speaker 2: Another thing about him, in visiting their training camp last

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Speaker 2: you have no idea how humble this kid is. Dude,

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Speaker 2: he's very humble. And number two, he is very smart.

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Speaker 2: So that's like that to me is the magic formula.

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Speaker 2: Right when we talk about guys who didn't have it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on his way to figure it out. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. All right, last one in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: the NFC real quick, all right, Buck, We'll pick up

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you hers, but I think this also

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, a super valuable lesson and one that we

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Speaker 1: But in thinking about Jerry Goff, I think the lesson

433
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Speaker 1: to be learned from that is also don't judge a

434
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Speaker 1: book by his cover. The hard knocks that he participated

435
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: in his rookie season really impacted the way people thought

436
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: about him as a player, Like he was viewed as

437
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: not being a smart player, and that kind of grew

438
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: as the legend of Sean McVay grew in the Rams.

439
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: It was this perception that he was kind of the

440
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: joystake that Sean mcvage was playing the game through. He

441
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to do other stuff. He goes

442
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: to Detroit, a downtrodden team, a city that really respects

443
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: a tough, gritty player. He has become that and displayed

444
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: different size of his personality in doing it. I think

445
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: part of what we all have to do is we

446
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: talked about it in the NFC East thing the intangibles

447
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: DJ digging into somebody's background and seeing if they have

448
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: the necessary intangibles to handle all the press that comes

449
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: with being the franchise quarterback. Jered Goff has that, and

450
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: he's been able to display that stepping outside of LA

451
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Speaker 1: and being demand in Motown.

452
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Speaker 2: I find it funny that the NFC North you think

453
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 2: about the ruggedness AFC North NFC North, I think they're

454
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: the two best divisions the most competitive divisions, But we

455
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: think about just the weather. You think about lambeau Field

456
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: late in the year, you think about in Chicago, just

457
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: the kind of the toughness that And then I looked

458
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: down and I kind of laughed at three of these

459
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: four quarterbacks are from California and the fourth one played

460
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: at USC. Yeah, so I find that kind of amusing

461
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: when you look at that division.

462
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Speaker 1: To make up of it, it is funny that those

463
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: guys are standouts in the Midwest and they all the

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: California kids. I do remember we always talked about it

465
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: in golf terms, you know, like you got to be

466
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: able to have a long driver, got to hit it

467
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: long golf to tea, to be able to play in

468
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: inclement conditions because about the ball doesn't fly as far

469
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: in cold weather. All of these guys have been able

470
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: to successfully navigate that. Now there's conversations about Jerry Golf

471
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: because he's an indoor player playing in Detroit. You wondered

472
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: if it would translate, but it doesn't appear to impact

473
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: the Detroit lines because they're lighting the scoreboard up on everybody.

474
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: And with all of those guys, look, I think sometimes

475
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: just overblown where they grow up in terms of where

476
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: the destination is where they play. I think the main

477
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: thing is the experience, the exposure, but digging down deeper

478
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: and seeing the intangibles next division.

479
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Speaker 2: I have a specific question on this one, So Saints

480
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: Derek Carr from California, Baker Mayfield from Texas, Kirk Cousins

481
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Speaker 2: one of the cold weather guys from Michigan, Bryce Young

482
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: from California. But I want to ask you about Derek

483
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: Carr from this standpoint, and I remember going through the

484
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: evaluation process, and we've talked about that a bunch, but

485
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't know we've ever had it from this angle

486
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: the uh and we'll see it with Arch Manning coming

487
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: up in a few years. We saw it last year

488
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: with a lot of other players in the draft who

489
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: had dads who played in the NFL, but having having

490
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: the familiarity having grown up. I think of King Griffey Junior, right,

491
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: I think I grew up on a baseball field, was

492
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: in an MLB clubhouse with his dad. How much of

493
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: an advantage do you think it was? Did you play

494
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: with anybody that's that's dad you had a dad in

495
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: the NFL, or give you any other you know, connection

496
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Speaker 2: to that of of just the advantage of having been

497
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Speaker 2: in that environment from a young age.

498
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Speaker 1: I don't have a direct story of a success story,

499
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: but I will say like just being in locker room

500
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: with guys who kind of grew up in it, it

501
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: becomes the family business. DJ is not only an expectation

502
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: provided the person who is wired the right way, because

503
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: I think it's really important how they were. They need

504
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: be humbled enough that they don't show the entitlement that oh,

505
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: my dad played, or my uncles or my granddad played.

506
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I know how to get it, but there is something

507
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: to being able to have someone in the family who's

508
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: done it, to be able to convey those messages about

509
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: how hard it is to do the work, that it requires,

510
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: the things that you need to do to put yourself

511
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: in a position to be ready. I think those stories

512
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: are valuable. And when we think about the Mannings and

513
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: look think about Archie Manning and Peyton Manning, Eli Manning,

514
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: and then you think about what they could pass down

515
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: to arch Manning being able to do it. Yeah, there's

516
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: a huge advantage and comes to that it doesn't guarantee

517
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: the same success that the legacy parent or the legacy

518
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: family member may have had, but man, it certainly can

519
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: take away some of the shine of the league and

520
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: allow you to focus in and to me, I'll use

521
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes as that example. Different sport, but Dad, you're

522
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: always around it, DJ, there's an acceptance, there's a sense

523
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: of belonging when you see it all the time. But no, no,

524
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: I can't handle this like I got this weird. We're

525
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: good to go, Like there's there's no pressure. Being able

526
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: to have those real conversations with someone who's kind of

527
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: walked in those shoes before, to me is very valuable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a great point.

529
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: And you know, we're a couple of years away from

530
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: Arch Manning coming into the league, but I'm sure we'll

531
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Speaker 2: have those conversations. I just think the last year, you know,

532
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: with Joe Alt, you know, with Marvin Harrison junior. We'll

533
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: have it next year with Shide or Sanders. It will

534
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: be a conversation. But I mean, like there's a lot

535
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: of guys, a lot of kids making us kind of

536
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: feel old. That's what it's doing.

537
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, like playing Frank Gore junior. Yes, being

538
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: able to ask you like, just all of it like

539
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: it is. It's crazy to watch, but yeah, legacy bloodlines

540
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: because I think about the Matthews play Matthews Matthews that

541
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: have played, they just kind of understand it. They get

542
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: it at a different level.

543
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: Last division here NFC West brock Purty out of Arizona,

544
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 2: Geno Smith out of Florida, Kyler Murray out of Texas,

545
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford out of Texas. Man Kyler Murray. And let

546
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: me get you this way, I've had numerous people tell

547
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: me that they will go to their grave saying Kyler

548
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: Murray is the most dominant high school football player they've

549
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: ever seen.

550
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: I will continue to ride with that. It was one

551
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: of the reasons I was so into the Kyler Murray experience.

552
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: I was willing to bet on. I mean, DJ people

553
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: absolutely swear by him and what he was able to

554
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: do in Texas, and yeah, he might have had an

555
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: all start with him, but this dude was a terrific

556
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: high school player. And you know, it's funny because he's

557
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: kind of under radar right now in Arizona. All of

558
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: these stuff that has kind of taken place, like they've

559
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: kind of fallen from being one of those teams that

560
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: was a contention to now they're rebuilding. I just know

561
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. I know he's an offensive

562
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. He has played at a high

563
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: level at times. And the thing that is stuck with

564
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: him though, has been the narrative about like his work,

565
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: ethic and those things. And I'll tell people this, it

566
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: might be hard for people to understand when you're as

567
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: revered and you as celebrated as Kylin Murray has been,

568
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: and maybe you've been able to do it a certain

569
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: way your whole career, it's hard to get someone to

570
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: change and say it's not good enough when you, well,

571
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Speaker 1: I don't think you lost a high school game.

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Speaker 2: You want to know the numbers, buck, I mean it's hard.

573
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: He won three straight high school championships. He was forty

574
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Speaker 2: two and zero as a starting quarterback.

575
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Speaker 1: That good.

576
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: I think that's good.

577
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean forty two and zero in high school. The

578
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: way that you operate Heisman Trophy winner at Oklahoma, definitely

579
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: the league right away offensive rookie year, and you've been

580
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: a pro bowler and d you have people saying, man,

581
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: I know if you work since.

582
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: Been working pretty good.

583
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I got a lot of hardware.

584
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: I got a lot of hardware.

585
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: This is my way works. You know, those things tend

586
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: to be funny, but I mean we're being real. Sometimes

587
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: it's hard with players to kind of understand that part

588
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: of it. And he's a really good player. He's taking

589
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: us behind the scenes. Look, it appears that, like Jonathan Gannon,

590
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: that crew is all then on him. We just kind

591
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: of continue to see how he progresses because the flashes

592
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: that he displays, and they're impressive. Disreattack.

593
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: It related to that it's a different sport obviously different requirements.

594
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: But I did see I thought of calamary because I

595
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: was laughing because I think it was might have been

596
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: on our Buddy Chris Roses show. It was a baseball podcast,

597
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: but they had Logan web on the picture for the

598
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: Giants and they said, hey, what did you guys do

599
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: to celebrate when Blake Snell through his no hitter? I

600
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: think it was against the Reds on the road. What

601
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: did you guys do? He's a well the rest of

602
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: the team we went out and had a good time.

603
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Blake Snell was playing video games, so we see him

604
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: there you go. I mean, some guys love their video games.

605
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: It is what it is new generation. Man, that is

606
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: that generation. They grow up on it like we grew

607
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: up on it to a lesser degree. But this generation

608
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: has been immersed in that online gaming and all that

609
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: other stuff. When it comes to like being able to

610
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: play sports and all of that, it's just.

611
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: A different time. But I look, I can't knock him

612
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: because they're able to do it. One other thing about

613
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. When you are a top ten pick and

614
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: another sport, Yeah, no, kidd, in a top ten you

615
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: might want to give him a little credit, like, you know,

616
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: I know, we can say a lot, but he is

617
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: really talented.

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00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 2: Not that is nuts when you think about it, because

619
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Speaker 2: he's not some six foot four to two hundred and

620
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: thirty pound guy. This isn't like Drew Henson, you know,

621
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: coming out who is a physical specimen like this is.

622
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: This guy's this big and he's literally the number one

623
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: pick in the NFL and a top ten pick in baseball. Like,

624
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: come on, to be that good into sports, yeah, you

625
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: have to be minstly talented. Yeah that's crazy. All right,

626
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for us today. I hope you

627
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: guys enjoy a little quarterback deep dive. We'll be back

628
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: next week to break down all of the Week two action.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time right here on Move the Sticks,

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Speaker 2: Betunity