1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: China. We do talk about it a lot now. Credit 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: to President Donald Trump for bringing China into everyone's mind 3 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: as something we should care about, worry about, a problem 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: we should address. And I tell you I've been seeing 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: something a lot late. They've talked to you about it 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: quite a few times on the show. I see a 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: big problem coming. And this is what I mean when 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: I say a big problem. We have all these guests on, 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: all these experts. We have great experts tonight on China. 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: What are we looking at? What do they do and 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: why are they doing this? So on and so forth, 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: And when they come on, they talk about all the 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: things China is involved in. So think about this for 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: a second. Think about all the things China is involved in. 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Let's just focus on America. Okay, what are they doing here? 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: On top of buying up mass quantities of land and 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: things like that, they are of a massive, massive spying 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: operation going on within the borders of the United States 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: of America. It doesn't take long. It would take you 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: five seconds on an Internet search to come up with 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: this Chinese spy arrested. This Chinese spy arrested. They were 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: they were driving Senator Feinstein around. They had Eric Swalwell. 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: But they're on college universities with these confucious institutes. Member, 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: we had to basically shut down an embassy at Chinese 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: embassy in Houston, Texas, down here where I live. They 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: have infiltrated this country from coast to coast. Well, yes, 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: that's bad, but there's something else to that. That's expensive. 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Intelligence operations are expensive. Okay, so that's very expensive. All right, 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Well that's that's expensive. Now let's go to China. What 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: are they doing right now? Currently? You're you're seeing protests 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: after protests, after protests breakout. Now they're seeing people throwing 32 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: rocks and things like that, and you're seeing Chinese police 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: beating people up, hauling people off to quarantine camps. Why 34 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: are we having these protests because China is still locking 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: down huge portions of its economy. Well, we know sadly 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: here in America just how damaging lockdowns can be for 37 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: an economy. China's still doing it. Okay, so they're paying 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: a fortune for spying inn Fiel trading America. They're killing 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: the goose that laid the golden egg with their own economy, 40 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,559 Speaker 1: and they're doing something else. They are spending a fortune 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: overseas with an initiative that is designed to bring other 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: countries around the world into the Chinese fold and out 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: of the American fold. China is spending vast quantities of 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: money in places like Africa, in countries that have critical, 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: rare materials that China wants, and China is buying influence 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: in those companies. Hey, we'll give you this, will build 47 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: your roads. We'll build you this, we'll do this, we'll 48 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: do this, we'll do that. Okay, that costs a lot 49 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: of money too, So you're killing your economy, you're spending 50 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: money on spying, you're spending money on influence. And then 51 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: let's get to the last thing. The military. Militaries are 52 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: shockingly expensive. Have you ever seen one of those pie 53 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: charts of the United States budget, of the budget of 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: this country, because we always we hear about these bills, 55 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: this trillion dollar bill and that trillion dollar bill, and 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: you get so lost and all the money we send everywhere, 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: because it's such an absurd of scene amount of money, 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: way more than we have, way more than we should 59 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: be spending. But you look at these pie charts and 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: the military portion is a big slice of pie. You've 61 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: got medicare, social security, and military. It is a big 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: slice of pie. Military campaigns, militaries themselves, standing armies are 63 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: hugely expensive. Throughout history. It is simply been a known 64 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: fact that if you have a large military buildup, it 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: can and will bankrupt your nation unless you're basically conquering 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: other nations and taking their wealth in for yourself. Well, 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: on top of everything else, China's doing a massive military buildup, 68 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: how how were they not collapsing on themselves financially already? 69 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: We're going to ask the guests about that, because here's 70 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: what these little histories. It's a little brief history of China. 71 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: This is the thirty thousand foot view version. China, as 72 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, was ruled by dynasties for the longest time, 73 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: I mean the Ming dynasty. You would know a lot 74 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: of these names just off the top of your head 75 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: if I started going through all these dynasties. There's so 76 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: much history and actually really cool history in China. Well, 77 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: eventually those dynasties, for various reasons, broke up, fell off, 78 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: went away, and China was kind of ruled by frankly 79 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: warlords for a long period of time. This guy who 80 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: had the most guns, and most guys would control this 81 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: territory and this guy control this territory. And eventually China 82 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: became a divided nation. This is prior to World War Two. 83 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: They became a divided nation. The communists we're fighting against 84 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: the nationalists. The nationalists would be the ones that you 85 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: would agree with more. And they were having this huge 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: civil war. And then time is funny, Japan decides to 87 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: invade China. Japan. This is prior to World War Two. Basically, 88 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: at the start of World War Two, they do this 89 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: huge military invasion of China. They're in Manchuria, they're in Shanghai, 90 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: They're dropping planes bombs, killing Chinese people all over the place. Well, 91 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: the nationalists and communists were busy fighting each other. The 92 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: Japanese came in, and then what happened, Well, the nationalists 93 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: and communists decided to join forces in order to get 94 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: rid of Japan. Hey, well, we'll take up our fight 95 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: once we get Japan out of the country. But remember, 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: American communists aren't the only ones who don't feel any 97 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: sense of loyalty to their country. They frankly want to 98 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: destroy the country. That's how communists are. Communists don't believe 99 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: in loyalty to any nation at all. They really don't 100 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: believe in loyalty to anything. They believe in power, they 101 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: believe in destruction. So the nationalists and communists they came 102 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: together to fight against the Japanese. But Mao Mao was 103 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: no dummy. Mao said, oh yeah, yeah, we're definitely on 104 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: the same team. Won't fight you anymore. Hey, Nationalists, there's 105 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: a big Japanese army over there. You guys should definitely 106 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: go fight them. We'll be over here doing some other stuff. 107 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Go fight them. And the nationalists had to bear the 108 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: brunt of the war against Japan within the borders of China. 109 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: So when the war was finally over World War two, 110 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: when the communists and nationalists decided to take up the 111 00:06:54,839 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: fight once again, the Nationalists found themselves broken, lacking manpower, 112 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: lacking the weapons needed, and the Communists mocked them up. 113 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: Nineteen forty nine rules around, and the Communists have taken 114 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: over China. Okay, well that's really bad. It certainly was 115 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: bad for the forty to fifty to sixty million Chinese 116 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: people Mao and the communists murdered in the coming decades. Eventually, 117 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: China got to the point that the Soviet Union got 118 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: to when it collapsed. Eventually, China got to the point 119 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: and realize, Okay, this communist is pure communism. Stuff is insane. 120 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: It simply doesn't work. Everyone's dying here. We have no money. 121 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: What we need is not to have freedom. We need 122 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: to basically merge communism with kind of a capitalist system, 123 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: almost a managed capitalism, which I know is the opposite 124 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: of what capitalism is. But that's what China decided to do, 125 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: which brings us to the United States of America and 126 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: where we are today. You see, America in a now horrible, 127 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: fateful decision, decided that hey, they want to be a 128 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: little less commy, we should help them. Let's help Let's 129 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: help these Chinese be communists. Let's help them learn about 130 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: the greatness of capitalism and get them on their feet. 131 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: And we began to work hand in hand with China, 132 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: and we began to build their economy for them. We 133 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: began to ship all of our manufacturing to China, encouraging 134 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: others around the world to do the same. Only China 135 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: never became our friend, and China was always our enemy, 136 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: and China had always intended to take us down. That 137 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: was their stated goal. And now we get to the 138 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: place where we are now, where we are in our 139 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: own fiscal crisis that is about to get a whole 140 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: lot worse. And China is looking like they just might 141 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: end up being quite desperate with what's going on over there. 142 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: They have the lockdown protests and everything else. So what 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: do you need if you're a desperate nation that's maybe 144 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: hurting financially, you need other nations need to do some conquests. 145 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: And China's looking over at Taiwan licking their chops, and 146 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's busy telling the world that will step in 147 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: and defend them that we are not going to step back. 148 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: We are not going to change any of reviews. So 149 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: are you saying that the United States would come to 150 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: Taiwan's defense in China attack, Yes, we have a commitment 151 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: to do that. That's not good, is it? So we 152 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: have a desperate nuclear power aimed at conquest. Right now, 153 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: we have a president of the United States of America 154 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: dementia adult who says we will put American troops in 155 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: harm's way to stop that from happening. A bit of 156 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: a dangerous situation. No, you're starting to understand why the 157 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: collapse of China is a big, big, big deal. As 158 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: they break up, they get more dangerous, not less dangerous. 159 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk to Stephen Yates about that 160 00:09:52,559 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: next Each morning, the President of the United States receives 161 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: a highly classified briefing on the most important issues facing 162 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: the country. It's called the President's Daily Brief or PDB. 163 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: It's delivered by America's spies and analysts. Well, now you 164 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: can hear your very own PDB in the form of 165 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: a podcast hosted by me Brian Dean Wright, a former 166 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: CIA operations officer. Each morning at six am Eastern, I'll 167 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: bring you fifteen to twenty minutes of the most important 168 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: issues facing the country, giving you the critical intelligence and 169 00:10:30,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: analysis you need to start your morning. Oh that doesn't 170 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: look good. Joining me now, Stephen Yate's former deputy National 171 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: Security Advisor. Stephen Obviously, as you know, those of the 172 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: protests happening, we think they're still happening in China right now? 173 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: Can you help me understand how widespread this is? Is 174 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: the government going to collapse? Is this still going on? 175 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: Was this a one off thing? And why are they mad? Well, 176 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: they're mad for I think a lot of justifiable reasons. 177 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: First and foremost, this is a generation of young people, 178 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: whether they're students or workers, who might be approaching middle age, 179 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,479 Speaker 1: who were supposed to be enjoying China's peaceful rise, engagement 180 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: with the world, getting wealthier, getting better jobs, building a 181 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: better future, and that's what was promised to them. That's 182 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: why they gave up their civil liberties in exchange for 183 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: that social compact. But this year in particular, have been 184 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: just ferocious lockdown that have shut down the economy, shut 185 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: down entire buildings and cities and people. I just had 186 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: gotten to a breaking point. So the demonstrations, I think 187 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: are we've seen act one of a play that we 188 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: are not privileged enough to know how many acts there 189 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: will be. The demonstrators knew that if they stayed out 190 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: too long, the government would mow them down, just like 191 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: happened at Tianamen Square, and the government is looking at 192 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: putting a lot of those demonstrators in maybe some of 193 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: those quarantine villages, which make for better isolation and fewer 194 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: news clips of the people being cracked down upon. So 195 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: I think we're in a tug of war that is 196 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: definitely not over, but it's not going to be like 197 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: one of the color revolutions we saw in the European context. Stephen, 198 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: can you help me understand this because China does not 199 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: have well they're Chinese government. I mean, they don't have 200 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: regard for human life, as does all communist governments, don't. 201 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: They just don't. It's not something if they wrestle with 202 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: the way we probably do more in the West, and 203 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: certainly not the lives of their own people to throw 204 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: them away by the million in China. So why would 205 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: they walk down They know it hurts the economy. They 206 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: don't care if COVID tears through and kills a bunch 207 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: of old people. China is smart enough to know it's 208 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: old people who are dying in fat people. I can't 209 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: make sense of why they'd wreck their own economy when 210 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: they don't care about the lives of their citizens anyway, 211 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: Or is this a cover for something. Well, there's always 212 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: a logical possibility that they know something about the virus 213 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: or another virus that is on the loose that we don't. 214 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: After all, China is not known for quality control, not 215 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: known for keeping things safe, and not known for telling 216 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the truth. If there's been a little booboo at a 217 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: lab and so it could be that they know something 218 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: we don't. It also could be that they're just rigid 219 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: Marxist Leninist maoists that once they start heading into a 220 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: particular direction, they can't really even make themselves stop. And 221 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: they locked in on this COVID zero policy, and so 222 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: that's just the way it's going to be. And you 223 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: and I both know that COVID policy isn't really about health, 224 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: it's about social engineering and control. And they're definitely all 225 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: in with this maximalist control option. And so they can 226 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: still flex on surveilling people, surveiling their communications and controlling them, 227 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: and it helps them avoid a majority of the Chinese 228 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: people realizing that they don't need to make this sacrifice. 229 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: There's a better social compact out there. And the Communist 230 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: Party your bunch of losers that have been doing terrible 231 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: things to them for all these years. So that's what 232 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: they're guarding against. The slow cooking of the frog is 233 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: continuing to work for them. How solid is Jiji and 234 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Ping's power in China. I know he's now the ruler 235 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: of the Communist Party there. I realized that, but lots 236 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: of times in these countries like Russia, for example, there's 237 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: always a faction out there that could pop up at 238 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: any minute. Is there a faction out there in China? 239 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Or is it pretty much just all him. He's pretty 240 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: much isolated all of the top layers of the party 241 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: and state government as his people. The faction that he 242 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: could lose are the common people, which are very, very numerous, 243 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: and if they ever come to the point where they 244 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: feel like the threat of force against them is manageable 245 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: or lesser than the threat of force they can impose 246 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: upon these leaders, very little is going to change by 247 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: way of leadership. She's personal safety could be at risk, 248 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: his reputation should be at risk. But the actual effort 249 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: to remove him, I think, is not something that is 250 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: in the near term, and it's one of those things 251 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: that could change very very quickly in China if the 252 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: supposed mandate of heaven kind of is lifted, where people 253 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: no longer think the Communist Party is leading to a 254 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: better life for them than the traditional He's mantra of change. 255 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: In order to readvibe, that mandate comes into play. We 256 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: aren't there yet. Yeah, you're in charge until you're not 257 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: all right. Well, the good news is we're helping people 258 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: out at least according to a Secretary State Blink And 259 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: here's what he had to say. Now, I know the 260 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: US supports the rights of all people to protest, but 261 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: specifically on these zero COVID protesters in China. Does the 262 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: Biden administrations support the protesters in China? Of course we do. 263 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: We support the right of people everywhere, whether it's in China, 264 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: whether it's a rand, whether it's any place else, to 265 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: protest peacefully, to make known their views, to vent their frustrations. 266 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: And as that's repressed in one way or another in 267 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: any given country, we speak out against it, we stand 268 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: up against it, and we take action against it. That's 269 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: exciting news. I didn't know we'd taken action on their behalf, Steven, 270 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: what have we done on their behalf? Yeah, I can't 271 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: say that I've witnessed any of the evidence of this action, 272 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: he speaks. We couldn't even really get a statement out 273 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: of the White House, much less any action anywhere that 274 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: would make a difference. And really the most important action, 275 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: the most strategically significant action during the demonstration, was the 276 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: supposed update to the Apple air drop function that had 277 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: a meaningful impact on the communications of the demonstrators. So 278 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. The US government is claiming 279 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: a role in that, turning it off or turning it on, 280 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: but really no action taken so far that makes any 281 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: difference in what's playing out in China right now. And 282 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: they don't support the protests of the lockdowns because their 283 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: party and their supporters advocated similar lockdowns and still advocate 284 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: different lockdowns. That's true, all right, Well, the good news 285 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: is we're going to defend Taiwan. Maybe, here's Joe Biden. 286 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 1: But would US forces defend the island? Yes, if in 287 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: fact there was an unprecedented attack. After our interview of 288 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: White House official told US US policy has not changed. Officially, 289 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: the US will not say whether American forces would defend Taiwan, 290 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: but the Commander in chief had a view of his own, 291 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: so unlike Ukraine, to be clear, Sir, US forces, US 292 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: men and women would defend Taiwan in the event of 293 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: a Chinese invasion. Yes, Stephen, I'm so confused. Maybe not 294 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: as confused as Joe, but I'm so lost. Okay, So 295 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: we have a policy, but no one knows what our 296 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: policy really is. But Joe Biden said this is our policy. 297 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: But they disagree that this is our policy. What's our policy? Yeah, Well, 298 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: it's a truly sad state of affairs because we only 299 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: get one commander in chief at a time. Under normal circumstances, 300 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: when a commander in chief speaks, his staff in the 301 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: White House really is only allowed to support what the 302 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: commander in chief says or leave in protests. And so 303 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how that White House official is still 304 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: employed other than to draw the conclusion that the President 305 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: isn't running the White House. Someone else is, and that's 306 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: why that person remains employed. But this muddling of what 307 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: our effort would be hard to Taiwan separate from what 308 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: our policy should be. This is the absolute worst way 309 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: to talk about it. It's demoralizing to Taiwan. Why should 310 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: it take risks if it doesn't know that the US 311 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: is going to stand there and at least have its back. 312 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: The United States should be urging Japan to do more 313 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: and stepping into the fray. But if it can't even 314 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: get one voice out of the White House, how can 315 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: we convince allies to take risks on this? So this 316 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: is just a giant green light to China, which is very, 317 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: very sad. The very least the United States should be 318 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: selling whatever arms Taiwan has a capacity to buy. At 319 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: this point. They unlike some other countries, they don't take 320 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: weapons as a gift. They buy them from US, and 321 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: they can use them for their own self defense, whether 322 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: we intervene or not. Steven Yds, thank you so much 323 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: through our appreciation. Thank you, Jessel. All right, we'll be back. 324 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what is the president's reaction when he hears 325 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: protesters in China chant freedom or shijanping stepped down. President 326 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: is not going to speak for protesters around the world. 327 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: They're speaking for themselves. M Bold joining me now, Gordon Chang, 328 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: author of the book The Coming Collapse of China. It 329 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: is odd that the once land of the Free United 330 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: States of America really doesn't have anything strong to say 331 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: about political protests going on in China. Odd, wouldn't you say, Gordon? 332 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Extremely odd? You know, John Kirby was so dispiriting because 333 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: when the United States doesn't stand for democracy and freedom, 334 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: nobody will. And it's not just the issue of China, 335 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: because people around the world Bird Curvey speak those words, 336 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: and that, unfortunately, is going to I think, show the 337 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: United States not to be full throated in support of 338 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: its value. That's America. And when Americans don't support their values, 339 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: for instance, the Chinese notice and they press the advantage. 340 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: So this has a direct consequence for us. Gordon, you 341 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: wrote the coming collapse of China. Now I'm marvel at 342 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: this all the time. I talk about this a lot. 343 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: I've talked about it on this show. When you consider 344 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: their investments in other countries, the money it takes to 345 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: have influence around the world. I mean, they've fund so 346 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: much of the stuff you see here in America, and 347 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: plus they're locking down their economy. I don't understand how 348 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: they're still standing. They have to be in a dire 349 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: financial situation. Yeah, I believe the Chinese economy is not growing. 350 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: It's certainly not growing at the numbers reported. More important, 351 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: the property sector is plunging. Both sales and prices are 352 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: down by double digits, and that's an indication that the 353 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: rest of the economy is not doing as well as 354 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: it's been explained to the Chinese people. And this, of 355 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: course has a real implication because jumping, he's boost to 356 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: deliver prosperity, and when he can't do that, really the 357 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: only way he can stay in power is after all 358 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: going after some foreign country Taiwan, Japan, India, the Philippines, 359 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: the United States, and so we could be the victim 360 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: of all of this. How what do you mean going 361 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: after the United States? How is it going to come 362 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: after us? Well, for instance, Chinese ships and planes challenge 363 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: hours in the global comments, and some of those incidents 364 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: have been quite dangerous. So these are times where American pilots, 365 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: American sailors had been able to successfully navigate away. But 366 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: we got to remember what happened in April two thousand 367 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: and one when a Chinese fighter took the wing of 368 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: an unarmed Navy reconnaissance plane in international airspace over the 369 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: South China Sea. You know, our plane was forced to land, 370 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: the Chinese stripped it, they imprisoned our crew. This was 371 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: one of the most humiliating incidents in American history. It 372 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: should never happen again. But what we did was we 373 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: taught the Chinese to be aggressive in the international airspace, 374 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: and that has been a problem ever since. Gordon, can 375 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: you explain as we look at the protest today, can 376 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: you explain Tianamen Square. A lot of Americans, even though 377 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: it's not that long ago, have kind of forgotten it, 378 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: or all they know is that one picture you see 379 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: online of that brave soul standing in front of a 380 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: Chinese tank. What were they about what happened in the 381 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: spring of nineteen eighty nine. Chinese people were actually, you know, 382 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: the economy was robust, but there was a lot of inflation, 383 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: and that meant that there was a lot of economic discontent. 384 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: And the Chinese people used the passing of Uyaba, a 385 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: communist leader, as an excuse to quote unquote more and 386 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: they were protesting about three hundred and seventy Chinese cities, 387 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: including the capital. On the night of June third and fourth, 388 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: in Beijing, dung Shaoping, the Chinese leader unleashed the Chinese 389 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: army killed we don't know how many, but perhaps three 390 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: or four thousand people. These were murders, but we got 391 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: to remember that, you know, And people compare the protests 392 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: that we have just witnessed after the fire in a 393 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: room Chi two tenament. But in tenament, you know, and 394 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighty nine those protesters, they weren't saying, 395 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, let's get rid of the Communist Party. They 396 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: just wanted the Communist Party to open up. This time However, Jesse, 397 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: immediately after that fire, you heard people across China shout 398 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: look doubtless the jumping down with the Communist Party. So 399 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: we now have a revolutionary mood among the Chinese people. Gordon, 400 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: I know it's very difficult to say, because I mean 401 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: the sense there's so many things, and they lie about 402 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: so many things. But you have a better sense of 403 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: what's going on in that country than anyone I've ever 404 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: talked to. Do you think this movement has potential? We 405 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: never know, but has potential to get really really large. 406 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in China. If enough 407 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: of them are angry, that's going to be a problem. Yes, 408 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: And I think that we will see continuing protests. And 409 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: the reason is after that fire on November twenty fourth, 410 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: we saw a protests across China, north and southeast and west, 411 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: across the major universities. There was no organization, there were 412 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: no leaders, there was no coordination. The reason those protests 413 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: sprung up spontaneously was because people across China felt the 414 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: same way, so they reacted the same way. And that 415 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: means we could see the US again. Because the people 416 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: right now are unhappy. I mean there's not only the 417 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: economic problems that you refer to, but there's just also 418 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: just discontent with Chinese communist rule. So there will be 419 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: an unstable China going forward, and I think this will 420 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: remain unstable until the Communist party is overthrown. Gordon tell 421 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: me about India and their relationship with China. It's actually 422 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: thinking about this last night. We never hear about India. 423 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: They're never in the news, This gigantic country, economic powerhouse, 424 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of tensions with them and other nations around them, 425 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: and it's like they don't even exist. What's up with 426 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: India in China? Well, Chinese troops are now deep into 427 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Indian controlled territory in Ladoc, which is high in the Himalayas. 428 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: They've been there since May of twenty twenty, and on 429 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: the night of June fifteenth of that year, in a 430 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: surprise attack, China killed twenty Indian troopers and so that 431 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: has been that has changed India's relationship with China. China 432 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: immediately started to ban TikTok and other Chinese apps. They 433 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: canceled Chinese contracts. Prime Minister Modi had made it very 434 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: clear that India will defend itself and since that time 435 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: they have moved reinforcements into the Himalayas. They're they're building 436 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: the infrastructure for war, and the Chinese and the Indian 437 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: troops remain very close together across a very dense line 438 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: which has been negotiated recently. Can't imagine being on post 439 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: in the Himalayas. How is India militarily? India is actually 440 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: quite strong and it's getting stronger quickly. And the reason 441 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: is because they have been attacked by China, but also 442 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: because India is growing, its economy is strong, and they 443 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: can afford to remilitarize, which is exactly what they're doing. 444 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: In the very first years of the Indian Republic, Indian 445 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: leaders trying to get along with China. That's not true anymore. 446 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: You know. Prime Minister Moti really believes that the Indian 447 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: Republic has got to defend itself and he's been pouring 448 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: a lot of resources into that. Because it's not just 449 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: La Doc it's across the Himalayas. And it's also a 450 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: hot spot which we haven't heard from in a long time, 451 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: but which we may soon, and that is Keshmir. Why 452 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: what's going on in Kashmir? Kashmir, there is a territorial 453 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: dispute between India and China. It's flared up occasionally, sometimes 454 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: going into full blown war. But China has been supporting 455 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: Pakistan there and things have been heating up recently. So 456 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: in history repeats, which is not one hundred percent, but 457 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: if history repeats, there could very well be increased flashes, 458 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: maybe even a full blown content conflict. Jordan Chang, thank 459 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: you so much, my friend. Thank you, Jesse, I really 460 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, these are problems, right, we admit 461 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: there's a problem with China, but there's a big problem 462 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: with how intertwined we are with China, their economy, our economy. 463 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: We've spent so many decades sadly being married. How do 464 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: we get a divorce? How embedded are they talk about that? Next? 465 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: Do you support the Chinese people's right to protest? Do 466 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: you have any reaction to the factory workers that we're 467 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: beaten and detained for protesting COVID lockdowns? Do you regret 468 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: it restricting air drop access that protesters used you evade 469 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: surveillance from the Chinese government. Do you think it's problematic 470 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: to do business with the Communist Chinese Party when they 471 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: suppressed human rights? Not the best look in the world. 472 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: Joining me now my friend, former Congressman and current Deaned 473 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: of Business at the Great Liberty University, Dave Bratt, Congressman. Okay, 474 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: obviously not a great look for for Tim Cook. About 475 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: called him about called him tim Apple. That's about called 476 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: him Tim Apple the same way Trump. They remember, Trump 477 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: called him Tim Apple. I almost just called him Tim Apple. 478 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: And that's all right. It's for Tim Cook. It's not 479 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: a great look, but he's sadly not alone. Can you explain, 480 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: just you take it away, Dean, Can you explain how 481 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: in the world we allowed so much of American industry 482 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: to get so in bed with our enemy? Yeah? Well, uh, 483 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: maybe three big reasons. First reason, they got one point 484 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: four billion customers. That's a big deal. Second reason, they 485 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: got a fifteen trillion dollar economy that was growing at 486 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: eight or nine percent. Now they're cracking up right. If 487 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: you haven't followed that out there, go to YouTube and 488 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: just google China economic disaster and it's shocking what's going on. 489 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: I could spend a half hour on that one and 490 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: then three. The first two wouldn't matter if you had 491 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: any moral fiber in this country anymore. But the CEO. 492 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: That clip you showed is just Ice. It's just ice 493 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: in the veins, the Judeo Christian tradition, the warmth of 494 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: love of humanity. The liberals are no longer liberal. You 495 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: used to count on to Kennedy's or the liberals to 496 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: step up on this kind of thing. The leftists are 497 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: just all on Marxists right now. And we're just scratching 498 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: the surface right there. Nineteen ninety nine document called Unrestricted 499 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: Warfare the Chinese laid out they're at war with us 500 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: back in ninety nine. None of this is a mystery. Google, etc. 501 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: Have been caught red handed helping out the Chinese run 502 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: elections and spread disinformation. The Chinese funding is pervaded everything right, 503 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: the State Department, US universities right on down. So, but 504 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: the Big three is just our us self interest like 505 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: you said, and our CEOs are selling out their own 506 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: country and there's no one left to hold them morally responsible, 507 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: which is the major problem this country now faces. When 508 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: did this begin, Dave? When do we start shipping all 509 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: of our industry to China? Yeah? Well, the moral piece 510 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: started in the sixties, right, and then the you know, 511 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: since the Enlightenment, there's been an attack on religion, etc. 512 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: But the Chinese piece, you know, we made the bet 513 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: early on, you know, maybe forty years ago that if we, 514 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, get that next generation of Chinese suns and 515 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: daughters to be capitalists, they'll become liberal. It worked in 516 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of other countries and settings, and it never happened. 517 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: We just underestimated the evil element inside the CCP, so 518 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: we're not talking about the Chinese people. Shiji Pain just 519 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: laid out three weeks ago or so, maybe maybe maybe 520 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: four weeks the essential ingredients of their new Communist Party 521 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: plan at their twenty Communist Party meetings. Three parts real quick. One, 522 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: they said, we're full on Marxist Leninist, meaning any China 523 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: stuff is gone, right, Buddhist confucious ethics gone, and those 524 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: are good things relatively speaking compared to Marxist Leninism. Boy Two, 525 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: they got rid of their number two guy that mentioned 526 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: just teeny market reforms right, some some just incremental little 527 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: market opening for future success. They said no, So basically 528 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: they're designing a zero growth economy. And the third most problematic, 529 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: they explicit war language. We're on war footing with you 530 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: in the text get ready for the Struggle sessions. Here 531 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: comes war right again, getting rid of Chinese language on 532 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: peace and harmony, which had been there for twenty years. 533 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: So that's what's coming at us, and our CEOs are 534 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: just you know, walking down the hallway. No big deal, 535 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: good creed. Okay, Dave, let's focus on something you were 536 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: talking about in the beginning, about Chinese China's economy breaking up, 537 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: because this is one of those things. I mean, that's 538 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: really what the specials about tonight. I've talked about this 539 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: all the time. I don't understand how they can continue 540 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,479 Speaker 1: to survive. I understand the world buys things from China, 541 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: but when you're spreading that kind of money around the 542 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: world and locking down your economy and doing militaries are huge, 543 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 1: the expensive things, how in the world are they still surviving? Yeah, well, 544 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: you know how big our debt problem is right where 545 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: our debts about one hundred and twenty five percent of GDP. 546 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: The UK just had a sovereign debt crisis, similar numbers. 547 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: China's got three hundred percent debt to GDP problems, so 548 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: massive debt. And then on top of that, they got 549 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: all the other stuff right, they got the real estate crisis, 550 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: they got credit crisis. They got ghost cities, they got 551 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: bubbles all over the place, they got the COVID lockdowns, 552 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 1: they got protests in the streets, etc. But to answer 553 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: your question, how did they get away with it? Well, 554 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: they got a fifteen trillion dollars economy and they have 555 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: a forty percent savings rate. That savings rate is forty 556 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: percent basically going to the government coffers. You can solve 557 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of problems with forty percent of fifteen trillion 558 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: dollars in the short and even intermediate and maybe the 559 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: long term. But they're a real economy now is showing 560 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: signs right of decay. You can only build so many 561 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: bullet trains and so many condo complexes right that the 562 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: next layer of investment and technological growth and entrepreneurship and 563 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: innovation is harder to come by. You can only steal 564 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: so many technical technological innovations from Bowling and our defense 565 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: industry before you got to do it on your own. 566 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: And the US the Chips Act and some of the 567 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: Chips stuff the Biden has done to China is actually good. 568 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: We really put the smack down on them with Chips 569 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I think their days are numbered. Right, 570 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: the people are in the streets being heard for the 571 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: first time ever in modern Chinese history, so that that's 572 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: a good sign, Dave, what's a ghost city? Yeah, they 573 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: they're just all over China there, you know, go out 574 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: to YouTube and google the China real estate bubble and 575 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: the examples. But basically, they don't have a stock exchange 576 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: where the Chinese can invest their retirement and bond markets 577 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: like we have. So about you know, thirty percent of 578 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: their economy is the housing sector. Because you buy one, two, 579 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: three houses as your savings account, right, that's your long 580 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: term investment. And when China was grown at eight or 581 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: nine percent, your asset just went up always like you know, 582 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: before the O eight financial crisis here, So it was 583 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: a prudent investment back then. The Chinese didn't know there 584 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: was a bubble. And in the evergrand case and all 585 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: these real estate examples, what the firms do is the 586 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: folks invest they're not even gonna live there. Right, you 587 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: have three homes, you only live in one. So the 588 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: firms take that money and they start building the next project. 589 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: And that all works until the music stops, right then 590 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: the musical chairs and you got to find a place 591 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: to sit, and so that's what's happening right now. The 592 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: ghost cities are just the empty shells, and they could 593 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: even survive without that until the music stopped right as 594 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: investment vehicles, maybe it would have worked. But now it's 595 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,959 Speaker 1: investment vehicles, and the people are going to the banks 596 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: and saying I want my money back, and they're not 597 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: paying current mortgage payments on that real estate. So now 598 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: the musical chairs music is started, and they got no 599 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: way out of it. So they're in a terrible predicament, Dave. 600 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: That makes me very nervous considering something you just said 601 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: a couple minutes ago about China being on a war footing. Historically, 602 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: a nation that's about to go through a debt crisis 603 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: and have a bunch of civil unrest oftentimes finds excuses 604 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,959 Speaker 1: to send large armies overseas. What are we looking at here, Yeah, 605 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: we're looking at serious problem right. The RAND did a 606 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: analysis probably about six months back in Bloomberg. It was 607 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: reported what we're looking at is if China attacks Hong Kong, 608 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: that'll have a five to ten percent GDP hit to 609 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: the United States, not the stock market stock If we 610 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: have a five ten percent GDP hit on our whole economy. 611 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: You lose half year stock market immediately, and this is 612 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: just for a one year hit. And then China takes 613 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: a thirty percent GDP hit, so their GDP goes from 614 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 1: fifteen trillion to ten trillion, and they got to feed 615 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: one point four billion. So that's why they may they 616 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: may not be able to pull this off. Plus, I 617 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 1: don't think their military is all that's cracked up to be. 618 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: They really don't have a blue water navy. They got 619 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: one aircraft carrier. They do have the new high speed 620 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: missiles to hit us and do some damage, there's no 621 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: doubt about that. And they got one point four billion people. 622 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: But we'll see. You're right we ought to worry. I 623 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: think our folks are planning the Russia war was a 624 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: terrible strategic blunder on our part because it's taken our 625 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: eyes off of our primary and mean which is China, 626 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: and we're wasting all sorts of precious resources on a 627 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: war we never should have gotten. The middle of Dave Bratt, 628 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: you were the best man. I'll see you soon, thank god, 629 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: bless you. Thanks Jesse. All right, we got final thoughts next, 630 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: the coming collapse of China whenever it comes is dangerous. 631 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: China being desperate is dangerous. It's not good. They have 632 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: submarines in the water, just like we do. We do. 633 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: They have over one billion people. That is a big deal. 634 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: They have their eyes set on places like Hong Kong, 635 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: time one maybe India. As you heard tonight, they're already 636 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: fighting in some places in the Himalayas with the Indians. 637 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: It is a situation that is ugly, especially because so 638 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 1: much of the world, ourselves included, we are just intertwined 639 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: with China, especially economically. We're going to live in some 640 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: interesting times. All right, We'll do it again. 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