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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, please come home. That is

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Speaker 1: a desperate husband's frantic plea as his wife, a beloved

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Speaker 1: special ed teacher, vanishes overnight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Quiet Dan Braunsville turns into a nightmare. A local woman

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Speaker 2: spends the day with her husband, laughing and bonding at home.

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Speaker 2: By the next morning, she vanishes, never calling and leaving

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Speaker 2: behind unanswered questions.

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Speaker 1: Something is way way off. He is making desperate pleas

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Speaker 1: for her return. I want you to hear Antoine Brown.

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Speaker 3: I'm broke down. I don't know what doude. I did everything.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to people. We got people only we got

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Speaker 3: people searching for it. I'm out of options. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, but just wait.

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Speaker 4: Chicago PD desperately searching for missing school teacher Linda Brown.

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Speaker 4: Last scene, Saturday morning. Linda missus a weekly appointment that

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Speaker 4: day and isn't answering her phone. Linda's five feet tall,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty pounds, with brown hair and eyes.

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Speaker 4: Last scene wearing a long puffy black coat with shiny

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Speaker 4: ugg style boots. Authorities searching the area where her blue

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Speaker 4: zero located Wednesday afternoon. Anyone with information should contact Chicago

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Speaker 4: PD SVU detectives at three one two seven four seven

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Speaker 1: That original sound of the husbands from our friends at

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Speaker 1: Fox three two Chicago. I want to break down what

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Speaker 1: you were just hearing from Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of information. You got me drinking

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Speaker 1: out of the fire hydrant right there. Too much, too fast.

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Speaker 1: And as you know, Matt Mangino joining us in our

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Speaker 1: all star panel tonight. He's a veteran trial lawyer and

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Speaker 1: author of The Executioner's Tail, former dish attorney. Every detail matters,

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Speaker 1: For instance, when you argue to a jury, you can't

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Speaker 1: just blurt everything out at once. It's too much, too fast.

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Speaker 1: Every single fact matters. What was she wearing? I had

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Speaker 1: one mom disappear in her pajamas, okay, bs, I had

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Speaker 1: one mom leave on foot. You remember Stacy Peterson. She's

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Speaker 1: another mom that left on foot. There's her car, there's

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Speaker 1: all our stuff, she's gone. I'm supposed to believe this

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Speaker 1: in the snow. That did not happen. So every fact matters.

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Speaker 1: What time she was last saying, what was she wearing?

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Speaker 1: What's missing from the house or her shoes still by

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Speaker 1: the door. It's her car, they're her keys, her purse,

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Speaker 1: her cellphone. See what I mean? Every fact matters, Man Gino,

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Speaker 1: isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: Oh it's certainly true, Nancy. And you know, as you

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Speaker 5: just indicated, the first place that you look is who

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Speaker 5: was the last person to have contact with her? Who

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Speaker 5: was the last person who saw her alive? And you

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Speaker 5: begin to build from there. So you get that information,

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Speaker 5: you get that narrative, and you start building from there.

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Speaker 1: The husband issuing desperate, please, over and over and over.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear another one. Fox thirty two, if you're.

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Speaker 3: Watching this, please come home. Your family is missing you.

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Speaker 3: I'm missing you, your friends, I'm missing you, Linda. We

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Speaker 3: need you to come home. Baby, Susan needs you to

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Speaker 3: come home.

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Speaker 1: Again. From Fox thirty two Chicago. What do we know

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Speaker 1: about the timeline you just heard Matt Mangino talking about

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Speaker 1: you pick it up with the last person to see her. Actually,

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Speaker 1: neighbors state that they saw her the morning she disappeared.

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Speaker 1: So it's really not the husband. If we've got the

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Speaker 3: Listen, we watched the movie Friday night, and she went

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Speaker 6: Friday evening, Linda turns in early after a movie with

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Speaker 6: When he gets in bed eight thirty five the next morning,

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Speaker 1: Fox thirty two Chicago, who's been on the case from

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Speaker 1: the very beginning. Could you start with me, Leslie, thank

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Speaker 7: So what we know right now is that the husband

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Speaker 1: she went. Did we hear Leslie by chance. What was

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Speaker 7: You know, we're just asking him. He was very emotional.

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Speaker 7: He did say that she took some time off and

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Speaker 7: Obviously she she didn't return.

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Speaker 1: Guys, the search is on now for a beloved special

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Speaker 1: ed teacher. Sidney Summery joining US investigative reporter with crime stories. Sidney,

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Speaker 1: I need to clear something up, man, Gina was right.

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Speaker 1: You start with the last known sighting of the victim.

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Speaker 1: Did the neighbors see her last that following morning or

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Speaker 8: Well, it's a little bit ambiguous, but police reports say

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Speaker 8: we think that neighbors actually did see Linda outside of

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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, this is a concern. Let to go to

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons joining us. He is the director of Operations

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Speaker 1: at USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team of private

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Speaker 1: investigators and searchers that look all around the world for

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Speaker 1: missing people. Brian, without a timeline, an accurate timeline, that hurts.

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Speaker 1: That hurts because you don't know where to start. For instance, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I'm not naming the husband, true, I actually mean that,

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Speaker 1: But I could rule him out if someone had seen her,

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Speaker 1: I could rule him out. But without my timeline, I

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Speaker 1: really can't rule anybody out. And that's why it's very

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Speaker 1: significant that the neighbors may have been the last one

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Speaker 9: Spot on.

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Speaker 10: And what we can do is start to bracket this timeline.

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Speaker 10: We know the time of that standing acupuncture appointment, we

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Speaker 10: know the time that mister Brown says was the last

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Speaker 10: time that he saw and if we can add something

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Speaker 10: in between, was that a ring camera which she was

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Speaker 10: it a neighbor who physically saw her. Where did that

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Speaker 10: description of what she was wearing come from? That's a

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Speaker 10: key question right now in this investigation.

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Speaker 1: So if the neighbor didn't see her that morning, if

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Speaker 1: it's not captured on ring, which is a really good idea,

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Speaker 1: we've got to fall back to the husband and the

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Speaker 1: missing special ed teacher watching the movie the night before. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, you and I have analyzed the Scott Peterson

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Speaker 1: murder case, double murder case, many many times. And remember

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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson kept saying that he and Lacey, his very

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Speaker 1: pregnant wife, watched Martha Stewart at a certain time and

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Speaker 1: it was very critical to the timeline. And then as

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Speaker 1: it turned out that Martha Stewart and they even asked

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Speaker 1: him what episode and every episode was very memorable. So

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm very curious as to what they were watching, Sydney.

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Speaker 1: Was it on TV? Was it something on Netflix where

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Speaker 1: there's not a schedule. Did they actually go get a

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Speaker 1: video and watch it? I find that hard to believe,

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Speaker 1: but you know, downloads are traced. I can tell if

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Speaker 1: someone watched Dexter off of Prime at nine o'clock at night,

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Speaker 1: many minutes it's watched. All of that is recorded. So

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Speaker 1: I want to know that. I want to know what

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Speaker 1: Do we know any of that? And again I'm not

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Speaker 8: We really don't have any of that information, but you're right,

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Speaker 8: that is absolutely something police could look up using their

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Speaker 8: home devices. The husband could absolutely provide that information if

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Speaker 8: in very close contact with family members. She has a sister,

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Speaker 1: Doesn't anybody have life three sixty. When you don't hear

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Speaker 1: look at that, see where they are. It's not hard. Okay,

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Speaker 11: And then he was like, no, I was thinking that

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Speaker 6: Antoine to check on Linda, but Antoine was hoping his

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Speaker 6: Officers put out a bolo for the missing woman in

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Speaker 6: her car, a blue twenty twenty one Honda Civic with

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Speaker 1: of Missing an American Network, is to help find missing people,

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Speaker 15: She's in constant contact with me. She never leaves Antoine's

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Speaker 1: To crime stores with Nancy Grace point about her not

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Speaker 1: Missing an American network founder Ronda to care with us. Ronda,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there's certainly a hierarchy here where not showing up

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Speaker 15: side without him knowing where she's goal week, and.

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Speaker 1: It's just not like her and bas Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Linda Brown, a devoted special education teacher in Chicago, spends

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Speaker 2: her days caring for vulnerable children. Now, the woman known

439
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Speaker 2: for always showing up suddenly disappears after leaving for a

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Speaker 2: scheduled appointment on a Saturday morning and is never seen again.

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Speaker 16: It's not like her to just disappear, like we don't know.

442
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Speaker 16: You know, we got family. You know I got family.

443
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Speaker 16: You know that are helping to look and a lot

444
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Speaker 16: of support to teachers and everybody else's helping to look

445
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Speaker 16: for her.

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Speaker 6: Five days after Linda Brown last scene, police locate Linda's

447
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Speaker 6: car and begin searching the immediate area. Authorities do not

448
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Speaker 6: release where the car was found to protect their investigation.

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Speaker 6: Her family is extremely relieved investigators have a lead, but

450
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Speaker 6: still fear for Linda's safety, concerned she may need medical attention.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was from my friends at NBC Chicago. You

452
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Speaker 1: are hearing her brother in law speaking. Okay, man, GINO,

453
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Speaker 1: now I've got something. The vehicle. The vehicle has been found.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious, very curious why police are not releasing

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Speaker 1: the location where her vehicle was found. It must be probative.

456
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Speaker 1: It must mean something. For instance, example, when Shenan Watts

457
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Speaker 1: went missing pregnant two little children, Bella and Celeste, guess

458
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Speaker 1: where they were found? Surprise, surprise, at the husband, Chris

459
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Speaker 1: Watts's work location. He was in the oil business, and

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Speaker 1: the body were found stuffed down cylinders at one of

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Speaker 1: the Anadarko oil fields out in the middle of nowhere. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 1: who would have known about that him? So, for instance,

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Speaker 1: if you find her car down a ravine behind the

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Speaker 1: acupuncturist's office, I'd look at him or somebody that weren't there.

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Speaker 1: I'd look at all the ring cameras and surveillance to

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Speaker 1: see if someone a vagrant, anyone in that area, and

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Speaker 1: I just try to pick them up on video surveillance.

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Speaker 1: So see what I mean. If a car was there,

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Speaker 1: it would indicate someone within the acupuncturist office or someone

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Speaker 1: in that vicinity. If it was at a shopping center

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Speaker 1: and as part right in front of the Dollar Tree,

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Speaker 1: well i'd look at people within the Dollar Tree. I

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Speaker 1: pull that video. So that's what I'm saying. I find

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Speaker 1: it unusual that police are not releasing that unless that

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Speaker 1: tells them their target, because I would want the public

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Speaker 1: to know, hey, she was partner in front of the

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Speaker 1: Dollar Tree at this time on her way to acupunctures.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody see her? I would be putting out a

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Speaker 1: bolo pronto be on the lookout.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I agree with that, but unless they have

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Speaker 5: a suspect in mind, and maybe they want to keep

482
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Speaker 5: that information from the public because they want an opportunity

483
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Speaker 5: maybe to talk to this person of interest to find

484
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Speaker 5: out what they know without this information being available to

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Speaker 5: the public. Was their blood, was there other things that

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Speaker 5: were found there?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: Was her purse still in the vehicle? You know, all

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Speaker 5: these issues that might indicate that she was taking from

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Speaker 5: that vehicle aggressively in some way, you know, so that

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Speaker 5: this information not available to the public, but focused in

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Speaker 5: on a specific person who might have harmed her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk about the car. This is

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Speaker 1: a plethora, a treasure trove of information. Do you guys

495
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Speaker 1: remember the Terry Grinstead missing teacher case. She was murdered.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard to put that case together because the

497
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Speaker 1: killers were students that she had had many years before

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Speaker 1: and they met again by happenstance and they killed her.

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Speaker 1: But she was one of those people. Remember this Sydney Sumner.

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Speaker 1: She kept her car completely pristine. You know those people.

501
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Speaker 1: You get in the car, you think it's brand new,

502
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Speaker 1: but it's three years old. But when her car was

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Speaker 1: discovered in her garage, it was covered in mud and

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, and the driver's seat, said was pushed back.

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Speaker 1: She was very patient.

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Speaker 8: She was so short. Yeah, it made no sense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing said, speaking Tara Grinstead, when her

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Speaker 1: mother took me through her home, said it looked like

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Speaker 1: a little jewelry box. It was completely perfect, like out

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Speaker 1: of a magazine. Can I tell you something? The bed

512
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Speaker 1: was a skew, some pearls had been broken and were

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Speaker 1: on the floor, and there was something hinky about a

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Speaker 1: lamp shade. Maybe it was tipped over or askew. But

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Speaker 1: she was the kind of person that would never have

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Speaker 1: left it like that. So let's think about her car, said,

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Speaker 1: what are we going to get from the car? What

518
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Speaker 1: do you know about where the car was? Was it wrecked,

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Speaker 1: was it out of gas? Did it have a flat tire?

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Speaker 1: Do we know anything?

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Speaker 8: Chicago police are keeping those details very close to the vest.

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Speaker 8: They haven't even released where the car was located. We're

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Speaker 8: not even sure if they've told her family the location.

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Speaker 8: The husband is reporting that this car has been found

525
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Speaker 8: in that police are not releasing that information because they

526
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Speaker 8: are still searching the immediate area for any sign of Linda.

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Speaker 8: But we're not even sure if he actually knows.

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Speaker 1: Leslie Marina joining us in VESCA reporter Fox thirty two

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Speaker 1: on this from the very very beginning, Where is Linda?

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Speaker 1: Is there any word official or otherwise as to where

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Speaker 1: her car was found? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: So I texted both the husband and Linda's brother in

533
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Speaker 7: law yesterday as I do every day, to follow up,

534
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Speaker 7: and I asked him if there was any update. They

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Speaker 7: both texted me back right away to say that Linda's

536
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 7: vehicle had been found. Obviously, what I do is I

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00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 7: reach out to Chicago Police to see if they could

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Speaker 7: confirm that info. They did not have any updates. So

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Speaker 7: as far as we know, what the family is saying,

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Speaker 7: both the husband and her brother in law is that

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Speaker 7: Chicago police did find the vehicle. They said that they

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Speaker 7: were not releasing the location of that vehicle because again,

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Speaker 7: police are actively searching that area. They could not confirm

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Speaker 7: whether what conditioned the vehicle was found in or whether

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Speaker 7: any items were inside the vehicle. So Yeah, what we

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Speaker 7: know right now is what family is telling us. It's

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Speaker 7: unclear right now if family even knows the location where

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Speaker 7: that vehicle was found. But again police are not confirming

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Speaker 7: any of those details.

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Speaker 1: I find that very very curious. You know, to Brian Fitzgibbons,

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Speaker 1: what can we get from the vehicle, I mean fingerprints,

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Speaker 1: DNA here Mangino talk about possibly blood. You can get

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Speaker 1: a lot from that. And if it's got a nav system,

554
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Speaker 1: remember everything we learned from the navigation system in the

555
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock double murder trial, in the murders of his

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Speaker 1: wife Maggie and son Paul. Really we got him down

557
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Speaker 1: to the minute when he scratched off from the double murder.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing how fast he went when he slowed down,

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Speaker 1: let the passenger side elect you window down from his

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Speaker 1: control area at the driver's seat through out Maggie's phone.

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Speaker 1: Her phone was found at that spot. Then he lets

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Speaker 1: the window up and Hi tails it to get an

563
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Speaker 1: alibi at his mother. Mother's home about thirty forty minutes away.

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Speaker 1: She has dementia, so she can't testify one way or

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Speaker 1: the other. You could tell when he parked, when he

566
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Speaker 1: got out, when he got back in and went back

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Speaker 1: to the crime saying to Oh, my stars, find the bodies.

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Speaker 1: So if she's got a NAV system, I'm learning even more.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, three things that we're going to find from this vehicle. First,

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Speaker 10: just the location that it was in is going to

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Speaker 10: tell add essential information to this story. Secondly, the digital

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Speaker 10: evidence that could be recovered there, like you're saying, with

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Speaker 10: the NAV system, where did she go prior to parking

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Speaker 10: that vehicle. The third thing is the physical evidence, the

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Speaker 10: seat position, it aligned with her height? Is there DNA evidence,

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00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 10: their fingerprints, is their blood? Was somebody else in that

577
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Speaker 10: vehicle that was not Linda Brown? And there's going to

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Speaker 10: be quite a bit of information coming from this vehicle.

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Speaker 10: And at twenty twenty one it will have a NAB system,

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Speaker 10: so they should be able to get something from that.

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Speaker 1: Brian, do you remember the Teresa Holbach murder. She was

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Speaker 1: murdered by Stephen Avery. He and his nephew assaulted her

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Speaker 1: and murdered her. He then hid her car. She was

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Speaker 1: a photographer and she got an assignment with I got

585
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Speaker 1: the auto trader and she went out to his salvage

586
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Speaker 1: lot to take a photo. Okay, first of all, he

587
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: came to the door in a towel. Bye bye, But

588
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Speaker 1: she didn't want to go back. She went back because

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00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: she needed the money. Her vehicle was found at the

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Speaker 1: back of his salvage lot. And guess what was found.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned DNA. It can be so subtle. Police found

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Speaker 1: well CSI found his sweat on the ignition. So can

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Speaker 1: you even imagine He's a huge, hulking monster. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine him? In some ways he reminds me of Rex

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Speaker 1: Hureeman in their body type hunched over Here's she had

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Speaker 1: a little bit of compact car, folding himself in there

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Speaker 1: and hunched over, trying to make that car start so

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Speaker 1: he could go hide it and sweating. So his sweat

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Speaker 1: was found on the ignition of the murder victim's car. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So when you say DNA, you mean DNA. It could

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Speaker 1: be in any number of forms, right forsgibbons?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, and often you'll find small hair follicles. Any

603
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 10: piece of DNA can be found in that vehicle. And

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Speaker 10: investigators are going to be learning quite a bit as

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Speaker 10: they dig into that.

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Speaker 16: It's not like her to just disappear like you don't know,

607
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Speaker 16: you know, we got family, You know I got family.

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Speaker 16: You know that are helping to look and a lot

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Speaker 16: of support the teachers and everybody else's helping to look

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Speaker 16: for her.

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Speaker 6: Five days after Linda Brown is last seen, police locate

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Speaker 6: Linda's car and begin searching the immediate area. Authorities do

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Speaker 6: not release where the car was found to protect their investigation.

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Speaker 6: Her family is extremely relieved investigators have a lead, but

615
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 6: still fear for Linda's safety, concerned she may need medical attention.

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Speaker 1: And they say Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Her husband, Antoine Brown, says the couple spends the night

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Speaker 2: together watching movies, enjoying what appears to be a normal

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Speaker 2: evening before going to bed early. By morning, Linda is gone.

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Speaker 11: She is with contact with Antoine all the time. This

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Speaker 11: is so out of her character to be missing. We're

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Speaker 11: hoping that the detectives can maybe ping her phone eventually.

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Speaker 1: That from our friends at WGN nine, and of course

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Speaker 1: the public is weighing in with a multitude of conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 13: Listen, but he said his wife was missing on the

626
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Speaker 13: way to an acupuncture appointment. Now, he said they had

627
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Speaker 13: a quiet night together at home watching a movie before

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Speaker 13: she went to bed early, and she went to bed early.

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Speaker 13: He woke up at eight forty five am and she

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Speaker 13: was gone. Now, remember that he woke up, she was going.

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Speaker 13: He didn't see her leave. I'm not a detective, but

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Speaker 13: how we know what she was wearing? He woke up

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Speaker 13: at eight forty five and she was gone. How we

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Speaker 13: know what she was wearing? How we know what she

635
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Speaker 13: had with her? Yeah, I'm not saying.

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Speaker 1: That this man did it.

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Speaker 13: I'm not saying. But and again, if she has her

638
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 13: phone with her and he said that the phone is

639
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 13: still ringing, can they just ping the phone and see

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Speaker 13: who she is get a general vicinity of where the

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Speaker 13: phone is ringing at and whatnot? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 13: He was the last person to see her, and unless

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Speaker 13: she went to bed with her shiny ug style boot zone.

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Speaker 1: That from mental illness on insta. Okay, again, the husband

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Speaker 1: is not a target. Remember neighbors say they saw her

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Speaker 1: that morning, when the husband says he was still asleep. However,

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Speaker 1: that's a really good point. How in the hey ron

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Speaker 1: died to care? Does he know that she was wearing

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Speaker 1: a puffy jacket and ugg boots if he last saw

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Speaker 1: her in bed?

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Speaker 12: Well, they answer that question would be speculation. I mean

652
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Speaker 12: they could have cameras in their home. That they saw

653
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Speaker 12: her leaving. It could be a neighbor or camera. We

654
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Speaker 12: don't know the answer to that, so answering that question

655
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Speaker 12: would just be speculation. Somebody had to have seen her

656
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Speaker 12: for them to say that him or a ring camera

657
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Speaker 12: or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right about that. Someone had to see her

659
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Speaker 1: in that outfit, Anti mattan Gino. I mean, when you

660
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Speaker 1: we first hear the argument goes, wow, how did he

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Speaker 1: know what she was wearing? If he just saw her

662
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Speaker 1: in bed? She certainly didn't go to sleep in a

663
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Speaker 1: puffer jacket and ug boots. But Ronda Dekier is right,

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Speaker 1: a neighbor could have described what she was wearing. It's

665
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Speaker 1: just that simple things are not always as they sing.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and and that's that's crucial evidence in this

667
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Speaker 5: in this case because if someone did see her in

668
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Speaker 5: the morning dressed with the puffy jacket and ugg boots,

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Speaker 5: then that that is plausible that she she left without

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Speaker 5: him knowing. If he didn't provide that information, uh, that

671
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Speaker 5: description of what she was wearing in the morning, then

672
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Speaker 5: obviously there is her leaving the house under her own

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Speaker 5: free will, uh, with with these clothes on that were described.

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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy We've seen this, uh, you know, pleading

675
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Speaker 5: spouse or parent over and over again in cases. And

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Speaker 5: I think that that certainly doesn't, you know, add anything

677
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Speaker 5: more to this case other than the fact that he's

678
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Speaker 5: out there in front of the cameras talking about it.

679
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Speaker 5: But I think some of the things that he says,

680
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Speaker 5: you know, raise my antennas in terms of what exactly

681
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Speaker 5: happened here and what his involvement in it.

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Speaker 1: Is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Finny, and it brings

683
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Speaker 1: to mind another case. Again. Of course, you can recall

684
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson would not go in front of the cameras.

685
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Speaker 1: They had to drag him in front of the cameras

686
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Speaker 1: to make him issue a plea to find Lacy Peterson,

687
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Speaker 1: his wife. But also I recall the mom to Bot

688
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Speaker 1: mom to Bought case, the mother of a little girl

689
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Speaker 1: who goes missing, and when investigat and reporters came to

690
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Speaker 1: his door, he opened the door like that much to

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Speaker 1: speak to them. Let's say that and like you know,

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Speaker 1: very good, like you know scenes like two months you know,

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Speaker 1: like before that, you know, one time we had like

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Speaker 1: some arguments because you know, yeah, that's for our friends

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Speaker 1: at w U S A nine I mean it would

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Speaker 1: SeeMe to me, just naturally, doctor Janey Lacey, that you

697
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Speaker 1: would want all the press you can get in this case,

698
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Speaker 1: you know, compared to mom to Bot's husband, he's out

699
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Speaker 1: front and center asking for help exactly.

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Speaker 14: And I think, you know, for the for the family right,

701
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Speaker 14: they need to keep working closely with police and share

702
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Speaker 14: any detail, no matter how small. And I think we

703
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Speaker 14: also would suggest that they should probably be checking phone records,

704
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 14: credit card activity, and you know, as we already talked

705
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Speaker 14: about social media, anything that shows any type of digital footprint.

706
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Speaker 14: But we think about anyone she may have confided in,

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Speaker 14: a friend, a coworker, a therapist, and consider if there

708
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Speaker 14: was any recent stressors or triggers or conversations that seemed off.

709
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Speaker 14: So having all of this on front and center, and

710
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Speaker 14: to continue to communicate and to take the.

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Speaker 9: Press act, I think for the community right.

712
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Speaker 14: When we share photos and there's information that's wildly available,

713
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Speaker 14: someone may have seen her. Check dashboard cameras, door bell camera,

714
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Speaker 14: security footage, you know in wicker Park and Bronxville, and

715
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Speaker 14: if they saw a blue Honda Civic on a woman

716
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Speaker 14: or a woman matching her description, to call the police.

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Speaker 9: Immediately so so so, Nancy.

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Speaker 14: You know what I would speak directly to is, is

719
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Speaker 14: you know if Linda was watching right Linda to tell

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Speaker 14: them that her family loves her and the students love her,

721
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Speaker 14: and to bring her back.

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Speaker 9: So I think keeping that press and keeping it if.

723
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Speaker 14: Front and center is going to be so important because

724
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Speaker 14: someone has to come forward at some point.

725
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Speaker 11: We got in touch with Antoine to say, you know,

726
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Speaker 11: how's Linda doing today? Have you talked to her at all?

727
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Speaker 11: And then he was like, no, I was thinking that

728
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Speaker 11: maybe she was with you and I haven't seen her.

729
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Speaker 15: She's in constant contact with me. She never leaves Antoine's

730
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Speaker 15: side without him knowing where. She's goal weak and it's

731
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Speaker 15: just not like.

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Speaker 1: Her wg N nine and NBC Chicago.

733
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Speaker 2: Panic deepens when Linda's blue twenty twenty one Honda Civic

734
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Speaker 2: is missing from the home, along with her purse and

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Speaker 2: credit cards, raising fears that something could be terribly wrong.

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Speaker 1: Major development in the case that the vehicle was found

737
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Speaker 1: with purse and credit cards. What does that tell us

738
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Speaker 1: was she driving the vehicle and what evidence can be

739
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Speaker 1: gleaned from that vehicle right now? Unusual cops not releasing

740
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Speaker 1: where her car was found or what condition it was in.

741
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Speaker 1: Was there a flat, was it out of gas? Did

742
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Speaker 1: she have car trouble? Was the hood up? Was it

743
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Speaker 1: at the far end of a parking lot, parked amongst

744
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Speaker 1: a lot of cars? So many questions, the answers to

745
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Speaker 1: which could lead to assuspect and of course under scrutiny.

746
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Speaker 1: Is the husband as he always is. That does not

747
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Speaker 1: mean he's guilty at all. Questions being asked about him

748
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Speaker 1: going to sleep and waking up and her being gone,

749
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Speaker 1: now a lot of that is negated. A lot of

750
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Speaker 1: the questions that you'd naturally ask about the husband is

751
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Speaker 1: negated by the fact that some neighbors state they see

752
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Speaker 1: her the following morning. And to you, Sidney Sumner, a

753
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Speaker 1: crime story's investigative reporter, you believe there's other information that

754
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Speaker 1: gives credence to the husband's story.

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, this is a teacher, Linda Brown. She wasn't

756
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Speaker 8: expected at work for nearly two weeks, so that kind

757
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Speaker 8: of leads you to believe. Okay, do I believe the

758
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Speaker 8: story that he last saw her on Friday night or

759
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Speaker 8: did she possibly go missing earlier than that? But we

760
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Speaker 8: know that Lisa, the sister doesn't get concer she earned

761
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Speaker 8: until Saturday, and she says she's in constant contact with

762
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Speaker 8: her sister. So it does lend some credibility to the

763
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Speaker 8: story that everything was okay Friday night. She was okay

764
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Speaker 8: up until Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Ban Is Gibbons, What do you make of that?

766
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's certainly the first place, right, But you know,

767
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 10: we have good reasons to believe that she was alive

768
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Speaker 10: and well on January second. We have good reason to

769
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Speaker 10: believe that at least a neighbor saw or had her

770
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Speaker 10: recorded on a ring camera on Saturday, January third. So

771
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Speaker 10: you know, I don't I don't feel too much credence

772
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Speaker 10: in the theory that she hadn't been heard from for weeks.

773
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Speaker 1: It's not the first time a wife has a doctor's

774
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Speaker 1: appointment and never makes it. I'm talking about Chris and

775
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Chinan wants. I'm because I'm concerned about a friend of mine.

776
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Speaker 17: I dropped her off at her house at thre in

777
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Speaker 17: the morning Mark night, because we were out of town

778
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Speaker 17: together and through on the way back to day airport

779
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Speaker 17: and her and she's pregnant, and I haven't been able

780
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Speaker 17: to get a hold of her this morning, and I've

781
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 17: gotten to her house and her car is there and

782
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 17: stuff like that. But she won't answer the door, she

783
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 17: won't answer the phone calls, she won't answer text messages,

784
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Speaker 17: and I'm just really really concerned. And she had a

785
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Speaker 17: doctor's appointments this morning and she didn't go to it,

786
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Speaker 17: and I'm just I don't know what to do.

787
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Speaker 1: You can find her or Nicole Atkinson calling nine one

788
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Speaker 1: one about her friend because she was already dead, along

789
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Speaker 1: with Bella and celest her two little girls. Take a

790
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Speaker 1: listen to her husband Chris Watts on body cam.

791
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Speaker 5: She'd told you anything about leaving, moving out, not moving out.

792
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Speaker 15: I mean, the last time talked to her was this morning.

793
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Speaker 1: She says she's gonna take the kids to her.

794
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Speaker 11: Friend's house, and then she asked where she was going

795
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Speaker 11: to be, and then I've texted her today.

796
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Speaker 4: I never heard anything but cars, cars here, cars here, unless.

797
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Speaker 14: Somebody came picked her up.

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Speaker 2: But the people that I know, nobody's heard from, nobody.

799
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Speaker 1: Seeing mmm mm. He was convicted, Leslie Morena. Let me

800
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Speaker 1: ask you this. Are we sure her purse and credit

801
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Speaker 1: cards were in the car?

802
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 7: We are told by the husband that she took her

803
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 7: purse and her credit cards right before she went to

804
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Speaker 7: her acupunctual appointment. Family has not confirmed whether those items

805
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 7: were found in the vehicle that was found yesterday. Police

806
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 7: again have also not confirmed that the vehicle was found,

807
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Speaker 7: let alone what items were found inside. So right now,

808
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 7: what we know is that the vehicle was found and

809
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 7: according to the husband that she took her purse and

810
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 7: her credit cards before she went to her acupunctual appointment,

811
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Speaker 7: which he says is of course normal for her to do.

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Speaker 1: Let's spin that out, let's take that to its logical conclusion.

813
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA. What does that mean Her car is found,

814
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: her per and her credit cards missing, her phone was

815
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Speaker 1: still working, but we have no indication they were in

816
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: her car when her car was found. What can we deduce?

817
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 10: And at this point law enforcement officials have not disclosed

818
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 10: what evidence was collected from the vehicle, So at this

819
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Speaker 10: point it would be purely speculation to say what was

820
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 10: or was not with the vehicle at the time that

821
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Speaker 10: they found it. So we have to kind of hold

822
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Speaker 10: back a little bit before.

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Speaker 1: Determined gives us jack. This givens unless you know where

824
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: she is right now, everything we're talking about is speculation,

825
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: But you do know how to add one in one

826
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Speaker 1: equals to right. That's called deduction as a mathematical certainty.

827
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Speaker 1: Unlike in mathematical certainty. If she drove her car, she

828
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Speaker 1: had her purse and her ID with her and it

829
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Speaker 1: wasn't in her car, that means either she left voluntarily

830
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: out of that car with her purse and credit cards

831
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Speaker 1: or someone took them and disposed of them. Those are

832
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Speaker 1: the only two choices, right, correct, So absolutely, that's it.

833
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: They're not saying the person credit card were in the car,

834
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Speaker 1: all right, So let's go with that they were not

835
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Speaker 1: in the car. What if anything can we glean from that?

836
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that bullet point number one would be, you know,

837
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 10: did somebody else move this vehicle? That's where my first

838
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 10: instincts would go is that you know she was separated

839
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Speaker 10: from the vehicle with her personal items, and that that

840
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 10: vehicle was moved after whatever happened.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Linda's appearance,

842
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: please call three one two seven, four seven eight three

843
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Speaker 1: eight zero repeat three one two seven, four seven eight

844
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Speaker 1: three eight zero. There is, based on the timeline, a

845
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Speaker 1: possibility we can bring her home alive. We remember an

846
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Speaker 1: American hero, corporal Marcial Rodriguez, Citrus County Sheriffs, killed in

847
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: line of duty after twenty five years, leaving behind his

848
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Speaker 1: wife and two sons. American Hero Corporal Marcial Rodriguez, Nancy

849
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Speaker 1: Gray signing off goodbye friend,