1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Dear let you know USA listener comastas, So today we 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: want to share with you the latest episode of our 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: award winning political podcast, In the Thick, which I co 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: host with Julio Rica, And this is in response to 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, which 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: is truly historic. So our conversation was with legal experts 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Jessica Mason Peaklow, who's the senior vice president and executive 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: editor of Rewire Newsgroup, and Kimberly Atkins Storr, who's a 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: senior columnist for The Emancipator and The Boston Globe. And 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: there's some serious legal experting happening here. So here let 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, USA, We're following and we're going to continue 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: to report on the consequences of the Supreme Court's ruling, 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: and we're going to bring you a new story about 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: that soon. But in the meantime, we want to invite 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: you to listen to two of our recent episodes about 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: abortion rights, A Future without Roe v. Wade and the 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: other episode on the divide fighting for Choice in the 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Rio Grande Valley. So here is our In the Thick show. 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and remember not tebayas. 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: An essential part of the institution of the enslavement of 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: human beings in this country was the absolute evisceration of 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: black women's autonomy in anything, including their reproduction. 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: Hey, Bam from Puturo Media and PRX. 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: It's in the Thick, a podcast about politics, race and culture. 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm Marie Nojosa City, right in front of Oh my god. 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: We're in person in la in a studio. 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's amazing. 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: Joining us from Washington, d C is Kimberly Atkins Store, 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a senior opinion writer for The Boston Globe and The Emancipator. 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 3: Kimberly, Welcome to the show. 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to be here. 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 5: Hey. 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Joining us from Boulder, Colorado, one of my favorite cities, 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: is Jessica Mason peak Low, senior vice president at Rewire 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: and News Group and co host of the podcast Boom 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: lawyerd Welcome, Jessica. 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: What an honor, great title for a podcast, Boom Lawyered. 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: Julio and I are in a studio, so it's very quiet. 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 6: I don't even know what I'm doing in. 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: We're quiet, but our guests are recording from home, so 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: who knows cats, dogs, planes, trains. It could happen, all right, 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: it t Familia. We have a lot to process on 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: this show. We know that's why you chose to listen, 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: because shit's going on in our country. On Friday, the 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court released their decision for the reproductive rights case 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Dobbs versus Jackson Women's Health, and they overturned Roe v. Wade, 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: which constitutionally protected a right to privacy, underscore privacy, and 49 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: to seek an abortion. So we're going to get into 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: the Scotis decision and others on the show. But in 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: moments like this, especially when like basic fundamental rights like 52 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: privacy are being taken from us in the so called 53 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: world's greatest democracy, big question mark. You know, we want 54 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: to do a temperature check. So Jessica, what's your temperature check? Almost? 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: How do you feel? 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 7: Wow, it's been a day and it hasn't stopped since 57 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 7: May when the Dobb's opinion was first leaked. This is 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 7: a really dark moment in our country's history. And I'm 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 7: not one to think that we haven't had a lot 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 7: of dark moments before this. I'm pretty clear eyed, but 61 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 7: I want to really just sort of level set what 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 7: happened on Friday was the Supreme Court unequivocally took away 63 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 7: a rite it had previously recognized, and how this then 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 7: proceeds the fallout, the dominoes that come from this. It's 65 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 7: a moment for everyone in this country to take pause 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 7: and understand that what we have is an anti majoritarian 67 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 7: rule from the Supreme Court, and it is about to 68 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 7: drastically change the way we understand our personal lives in 69 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 7: this country. 70 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's so fucking deep. 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: It's just like you're just like, oh my god, we 72 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: just got rolled over by a boulder hit on our heads. 73 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: Many of us did see it coming, have been seen 74 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: it coming actually for decades. Kim, tell me how you doing, 75 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: Gomo Duta. 76 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting. 77 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: A lot of times I feel like my job as 78 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: a political analyst and a legal analyst in a way 79 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: serves as a buffer to some of the more horrific 80 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: things that happen in the world, because I put on 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: my work hat, right, and I think about the legal 82 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: analysis and the political analysis, and that sort of keeps me, 83 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: keeps my mind occupied. But for this that's been very 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: difficult to do as a woman, as a person of color. 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: That the court not only rolled back a fundamental liberty 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: right that I thought that I I learned in law 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: school would protect me and others, but also did it 88 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: in a way that calls into question so many other 89 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: protections so preciously recently enacted and recognized protections, and then 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: turned around and said, well, you know, if you want 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: protection in this way, you have to demonstrate that throughout 92 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: the history of this nation, that it has been a 93 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: tradition to protect these rights. And then I think so 94 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: many people are screwed in because so many of these 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: protections are so recent we can't prove them because they 96 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: weren't protected as a tradition in our country. 97 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: So that's the part that's most jarring for me. 98 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 6: It's been a couple of days. You've had some more 99 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 6: time to process. What's your temperature check, my friend. 100 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm dizzy with the horror of what's happening in the 101 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: United States of America, And so, you know, on a 102 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: very profound level, it just feels like, yeah, everything is shaking, 103 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: the earthquake is happening underneath our feet. Yeah, what we've 104 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: just heard is that it's not just about a deep 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: issues of privacy, and therefore questions of things that we 106 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: have taken not for granted, but you know, gay marriage, contraception, 107 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: all of these things are now being discussed and it 108 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: feels very dystopian. And then at the same time, no, 109 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: this is real. I did say something when I was 110 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: at the American Library Association meeting on Saturday morning after 111 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: the decision. I said, a million or more activists were 112 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: just born because of this. 113 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: They became after this, Yeah, they became. 114 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: They became activists as a result of what happened because 115 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: I became a little activist when Roe v. Wade was 116 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: first being championed back in the early seventies. So that's 117 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: the part that gives me hope, is that there is 118 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: But in general, I've never seen my daughter more kind 119 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: of depressed about the state of things in the United 120 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: States of America. And so as a mom to a 121 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: twenty four year old young woman, that's really hard, and 122 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm just expecting they get matt as hell and do 123 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: what we have to do. 124 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 6: So let's just share what happened on Friday, Right, the 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: conservative majority Supreme Court voted in a five to four 126 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 6: ruling to reverse nearly fifty years of legal precedent and 127 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 6: overturn Roe v. Wade, So the court's ruling leaves the 128 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: decision to regulate abortion up to the states, and abortion 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 6: bands already went into effect in at least nine states, 130 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 6: with many more expected in the coming days. Now, we 131 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 6: have talked about how black, Indigenous, and latinas will be 132 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 6: the most vulnerable. And while these laws are intertwined with 133 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 6: patriarchy you know, Welcome to America, and white men wanting 134 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 6: to control women's bodies, we know transmen and non binary 135 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 6: people are just as impacted when seeking abortion care. These 136 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 6: laws are gonna make it harder for pregnant people to 137 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 6: get life saving care in situations of pregnancy complications and 138 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 6: miscarriages which can be medically classified as abortions. 139 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: Think about that, and of which I had two. I 140 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: had two abortions, I had two miscarriages. So yeah, wow. 141 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 6: Law professor Michelle Goodwin was on Democracy Now last month 142 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 6: talking about what a post Row reality could look like. 143 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 6: Let's take a listen. 144 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 8: What we will begin to see is that there will 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 8: be states where people will not be free, where they 146 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 8: will in fact be policed, and that kind of policing 147 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 8: will also be connected to sex profiling, just like racial profiling. 148 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 8: Right this hyper intensive look at what our girls and 149 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 8: women doing with their bodies, there will be a turn 150 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 8: to and pressure on nurses, on doctors, on medical staff 151 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 8: to breach millennia old practices of confidentiality between themselves and 152 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 8: their patients. And they will breach that and we'll share 153 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 8: that information, just as we saw in that case, with 154 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 8: law enforcement, and then the next step will be arrests. 155 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 8: And this is not just simply anecdotal, as I record 156 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 8: in my book. In the state of Alabama, already there 157 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 8: have been hundreds of women charged and arrested under fetal 158 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 8: endangerment or child endangerment in that case, laws, laws that 159 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 8: would extend child the definition of a child. 160 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 4: To a fetus. 161 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 6: Kim break this down for us, the day to day 162 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 6: changes that this decision is going to have on people. 163 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 6: How do we begin to process that. 164 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: I would like to start with underscoring the fact that 165 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: there is if the goal of this was to end abortion, 166 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: then all evidence is that it won't. In fact, for 167 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: a long time there was a decrease in the number 168 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: of abortions that were performed in the United States. It 169 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: got most pronounced after the passage of Obamacare, which created 170 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: an ability for women to get contraception at no out 171 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: of pocket cost. We saw that have a direct correlation 172 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: in the drop in abortions. What we've seen recently, there 173 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: has been an uptick in the number of abortions performed 174 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: in the United States with the number of restrictive abortion 175 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: laws that are passed. So if that's the goal, then 176 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: it will have the opposite effect. Abortions will still take place. 177 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: They will just be more difficult for the least privilege 178 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: to get to and they will be more dangerous. And 179 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: on the medical front that you're pointing out, and I'm 180 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: glad we're spending time on this because it's so important. 181 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: This will have a profound impact on medical procedures, on 182 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: reproductive care, on healthcare. I mean, think about people who 183 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: are excited about their pregnancies, who want to expand their families, 184 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,479 Speaker 2: and so they want to do things like seek assistive 185 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: technology for fertility. Well, this puts IVF treatments and other 186 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: treatments in illegal no man's land. What is a frozen 187 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: embryo right now, we don't know who has a right 188 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: to it. What about people who have a complication during pregnancies? 189 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: And again, black people four times more likely to have 190 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: life threatening pregnancy complications than others. If the care that's 191 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: needed is considered an abortion, they cannot get it. It 192 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: can put their lives in danger, their health in danger, 193 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: their reproductive future in danger for this, so it is 194 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: so important to focus on how this will impact healthcare. 195 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm worried that doctors will stop even studying methods of 196 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: reproductive health care for fear that just thinking they don't 197 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: even want to get in the field, because they don't 198 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: even want to come anywhere close to being prosecuted or 199 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: punished for it. 200 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: It's going to have a horrible impact. 201 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I actually, Jessica, speaking of Boulder, Colorado, 202 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: where you are based right now, That's where I went 203 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: to report on doctor Hearn, who is based in Boulder, Colorado, 204 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: and who performs abortions later in pregnancy. And this is 205 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: a very difficult medical procedure. 206 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 3: And the women who I met. 207 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Who were there, it was their lives that were at stake. 208 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: And I just remember being in doctor Hearn's office then 209 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: and there were federal guards everywhere. Just yeah, because his 210 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: life is in danger for performing a medical procedure. And 211 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: this is why it's so difficult Jessica, because journalists like 212 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: me have been saying, Okay, we've been covering this story 213 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: for decades, right, so cannot be surprised. Right, anti abortionists 214 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: we're shooting doctors. That was their form of protest. Now 215 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: it's the Supreme Court making these declarations. 216 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: We're hearing stories now about patients. This is horrible. They 217 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 3: were in the clinics waiting. 218 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: To get their abortion and then heard this decision and 219 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: their appointments were canceled. 220 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 4: Wow. 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: States where the procedure is still legal have been overwhelmed 222 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: with calls, right, because there's a desperation. There's a lot 223 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: of confusion because states that have pre row abortion bands 224 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: on the books. For example, in Michigan, even though a 225 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: judge placed a temporary stop on a nineteen thirty one 226 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: law banning abortion, the state's largest healthcare system sent a 227 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: memo to their staff discontinuing most abortion services after Friday's decision. 228 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: They later reversed that position, but it shows, you know, basically, 229 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of confusion, and when there's confusion, there's 230 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: people who will take advantage of, you know, exerting their 231 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: power and creating even more confusion. So, Jessica in bolder Colorado. 232 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Can you break this down for usha, What does it 233 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: mean that there are states with trigger laws, that there 234 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: are states with pre row bands on the books, and 235 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: how do our listeners make sense of. 236 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: What the law will be where they live. 237 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because I live in New York 238 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: and so this is a state that of course, you 239 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: know you right now, we're in California. It's like these 240 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: two states, Well, there's access, but that's not the reality 241 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: for the rest of the country. 242 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 3: So bring us up to date. 243 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. 244 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 7: There's so much there because even in this conversation, that 245 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 7: landscape has changed. State judge has blocked Louisiana, which is 246 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 7: one of those states that had a trigger law that 247 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 7: initially went into effect on Friday, has now blocked that 248 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 7: and so as of recording this podcast, for right now, 249 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 7: Louisiana can continue to provide abortion care. We don't know 250 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 7: if that will be the same in twenty four hours 251 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 7: or forty eight hours. And that's bananas. The landscape right 252 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 7: now is chaos and quicksand for people who need reproductive healthcare. 253 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 7: And the backdrop of that is that it used to 254 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 7: be a fundamental right that was guaranteed at a baseline 255 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 7: no matter where you were, so that if you were 256 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 7: in Colorado, that same baseline existed as if you were 257 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 7: in Texas. Now there is an entire show to be 258 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 7: done about the failings of Roe, and Roe is a floor, 259 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 7: and how it never could have lived up to the 260 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 7: promise of access that we placed on its shoulders, And 261 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 7: those are all fair criticisms, but the reality is right 262 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 7: now that we are creating in this country huge, huge 263 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 7: swaths of criminality and wide surveillance. Professor Goodwin's clip is 264 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 7: so on the money. The case that she was talking 265 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 7: about at the time was a woman by the name 266 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 7: of Lazelle Herrera who had been indicted for abortion murder 267 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 7: related charge in Texas before the Dobbs decision dropped correct, 268 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 7: So law enforcement was already sniffing around looking for ways 269 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 7: to incarcerate and create a penal carceral system around pregnancy 270 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 7: before Dobbs. 271 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: That's only gonna get worse. 272 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 7: But let's talk about what it means in states where 273 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 7: access is you know, protected either by statute or constitutional measure. 274 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 6: And there have been governors, I know Governor Baker there 275 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 6: issued an executive order in Massachusetts saying, you know, We're 276 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 6: not going to cooperate with anyone that's going to try 277 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 6: to come after people that come out with abortions in California. Like, 278 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 6: that's the part that fascinates me about this. 279 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Like there's an activism that's going to happen that's very interesting. 280 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: But legally it still feels very. 281 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 6: Diffusing because I think this is where I I think 282 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 6: people are confused. So I'm just tossing this to you 283 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 6: so you can bring it home with knowledge and expertise. 284 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 7: There's so much confusion, and the confusion is absolutely part 285 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 7: of the strategy too, to just chill the exercise of 286 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 7: our rights. But you know, in terms of places like Massachusetts, California, Colorado, 287 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 7: New York, where access is supposed to be protected, there 288 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 7: are two ways that has been done either by statute, 289 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 7: so a law in the books, or by constitutional amendment 290 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 7: or in some cases like state Supreme Court decision that 291 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 7: says we protect it. So it works kind of the 292 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 7: same way. That's good news for folks who are in 293 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 7: those places and folks who need to go to those 294 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 7: places for care right now. But I want to put 295 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 7: some context around that. So in Colorado, where I am 296 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 7: right now, when Texas's SB eight took effect, our providers 297 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 7: here in the state saw an almost immediate increase in 298 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 7: the need for their services by five hundred percent. 299 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 9: Wow. 300 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 7: And that's from people traveling like they were already traveling 301 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 7: from out of state for care here. That was when 302 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 7: SBA went into effect. Spaight is Texas is the Texas 303 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 7: six week band that empowers citizens to you know, snitch 304 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 7: on their neighbors basically pretty much and so and so. 305 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 7: Then Oklahoma passed its own version of that, and our 306 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 7: providers saw an even greater jump in the need for 307 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 7: their services. So I don't know, as a Coloradin, if 308 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 7: I were to call a clinic today what it would 309 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 7: be like to try and get in for services. 310 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: Right, because it's just like, well, we're booked up for 311 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: the next three weeks, good luck, right, And that's exactly 312 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: when you're pregnant. 313 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 3: You can't really wait another three. 314 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 7: These are time sensitive procedures. And so we've got providers 315 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 7: in a vice script right now. And what advocates are doing, 316 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 7: what anti abortion advocates are doing, are looking for those 317 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 7: critical regional points of access as ways to further cut 318 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 7: them off. You're hearing them now talk about things like 319 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 7: preventing people from traveling for care. That's a substitutional right. 320 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 7: So we're talking about abortion, we're talking about birth control. 321 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 7: We also have a right to travel. What does that 322 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 7: mean as a person who can become pregnant? 323 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: Now, So I want to give a quote from a 324 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: tweet from Angel Powell who says, this morning I woke 325 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: up to his story. A woman who walked into an 326 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: er with an actopic pregnancy. She lives in a state 327 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: with trigger laws. She had to wait nine hours while 328 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: her doctor consulted a lawyer. She almost died. So there's 329 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: that which is just like horrific, but that is in 330 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: fact what it looks like. And then, and then, I'm 331 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: sure you saw this. Republican congresswoman Representative Mary Miller from 332 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: Illinois called the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, 333 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: and she actually said this a historic victory for white 334 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: life at a Trump rally. 335 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 10: President Trump on behalf of all the MAGA patriots in America, 336 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 10: I want to thank you for the historic victory for 337 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 10: why life in the Supreme Court yesterday. 338 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: But she didn't mean but that's what she said. What 339 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: she said, they quickly, you know, it's funny, Kim. 340 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 6: I'd love to have you jump in on that, because 341 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 6: this is a typical case of like she said it 342 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 6: and then like all of a sudden, oh, I meant something. 343 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: You need to say. Clear, did you see that clip? 344 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: I didn't. 345 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: But it sounds at best like a Freudian slip in 346 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: this because well, honestly, because I think these very lawmakers 347 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: who were pushing these fans, who have passed these fans 348 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: know very well that if they or other people in 349 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: positions of privilege need abortion care. 350 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 4: They can get it. 351 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: And I think they believe that this is for other people. 352 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 2: This is for other people who they believe that this 353 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: will be affected by and so I think that is 354 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: at best a Freudian slip. Look, one thing that I 355 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: think is very important here to understand the liberty right 356 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: to personal autonomy is important to everyone one, but particularly 357 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: people of color in this country. I mean, you know 358 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: my ancestors who have trace back to this soil, back 359 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: to the sixteen hundreds. An essential part of the Transatlantic 360 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: slave trade and the institution of the enslavement of human 361 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: beings in this country was the absolute evisceration of black 362 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: women's autonomy in anything, including their reproduction, that was necessary 363 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: in order to perpetuate the institution of enslavement of people 364 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: as long as it was, and that continues to perpetuate 365 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: in the subjugation of people of color in this country 366 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: and keeping them in lower paid jobs and keeping them 367 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: out of the highest echelons of society. Part and parcel 368 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: of that is having them not be able to control 369 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: their reproductive choices. 370 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 4: That's not by accident. That's an extension of design of 371 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: this nation. 372 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: You're being too kind on the Freudian slimp thing, cam 373 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: just is it at best? At best? 374 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, but you know this decision, and there's so 375 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 6: many repercussions, but it feels like the beginning right. In 376 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 6: his concurring opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas took the time, you know, 377 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 6: he made it a point to put it on the 378 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 6: record in his opinion that he believed Supreme Court decisions 379 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: in other cases that protect same sex marriages, same sex relationships, 380 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 6: and access to contraception. According to Justice Thomas, all of 381 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 6: that should be reconsidered. 382 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 4: Yes. 383 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: Other Supreme Court. 384 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 6: Decisions from this term include a ruling that struck down 385 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 6: a New York gun law expanding the rights of people 386 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 6: to carry concealed firearms in public and the rulings that 387 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 6: religious schools should be allowed to participate in a taxpayer 388 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 6: funded state tuition assistance program crazy, and that public school 389 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 6: officials can pray openly. Right, there's the photo of the 390 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 6: football coach, yeah, taking a knee. 391 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 9: This case is ridiculous on the field, and I'm like, yeah, oh, 392 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 9: who else took a knee? Right, That's been you know, 393 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 9: castigated Colin Kaepernick, And I'm saying, oh, but this is prayer. 394 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 395 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: So we're seeing all these decisions. 396 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 6: There's another one waiting on a decision that could gut 397 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 6: the Environmental Protection Agency. 398 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: So it feels pretty like where the captain and I 399 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: just say, it feels pretty fucked on't know. 400 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 6: This is the part Madia and I talk about this 401 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 6: notion of the Supreme Court being sort of the neutral 402 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 6: arbiter of this country. What we're seeing, at least from 403 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 6: my perspective and what I've seen, this is a clearly 404 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 6: partisan court right now, and it's you know, it's been 405 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 6: built up, right. This is the beginning of radical changes 406 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 6: bringing us back. 407 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: Jessica. 408 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Oh, I have so many thoughts on this 409 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 5: go for it. Thank you. 410 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 7: First, I want to jump back to a really important 411 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 7: point that Kim made in terms of the sort of 412 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 7: eugenesis history here, and note that the Supreme Court still 413 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 7: has on the books Buck versus Bell, which says that 414 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 7: some people actually don't have the right to reproduce. So, 415 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 7: as the listeners are really sort of digesting what just 416 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 7: happened here, when the state says you must have a baby, 417 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 7: the state also can then say you cannot have a baby. 418 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 7: So we are going to start to get a very 419 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 7: clear picture of who the state believes it is appropriate 420 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 7: to reproduce and who it believes is not appropriate for reproduction. 421 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 7: But in terms of this idea of the Supreme Court 422 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 7: as a neutral arbiter of the law, honestly, it's never 423 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 7: been that way for the entirety of our nation. It 424 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 7: has been, with the exception of one blip in time 425 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 7: under more enlightened leadership, it has been an institution that 426 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 7: has historically always protected the interests of white landed property 427 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 7: owners men in particular. It has always done that. And 428 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 7: we had a moment of progress in the sixties and 429 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 7: early seventies, and that's it. That's all that we've had 430 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 7: in terms of the Supreme Court being a place to 431 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 7: really go to look for expansion of the people that 432 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 7: this country considers as part of the democratic fabric. It 433 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 7: has historically been an institution of exclusion, and I think 434 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 7: what we're seeing in this term is that on steroids, 435 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 7: because there's no need to pretend to be accountable anymore. 436 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 7: When it was closer, when there were at least conservatives 437 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 7: who believed in institutions on the bench, like Anthony Kennedy 438 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 7: was a conservative, but he was a conservative that believed 439 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 7: in the institution of the court and the importance of 440 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 7: democratic norms like precedent and starry decisives. We no longer 441 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 7: have a majority of conservatives who come from that ilk. 442 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 7: What we have are conservatives who see the Court as 443 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 7: an extension the political enforcement arm of the Republican Party. 444 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 7: That's what it's become to them, not even to the 445 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 7: rest of us. It's they're very clear that that is 446 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 7: what it is to them. And so the question now 447 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 7: for those of us who do not believe in white 448 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 7: evangelical Christian rule of this country, right, I believe in 449 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 7: that radical notion that we should have a secular government, 450 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 7: what does that mean for me? 451 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, Kimberly, were your thoughts on all this? 452 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all true. 453 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: And this is by design though, Yeah, right, this is 454 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: by careful, careful design driven by the increasing takeover of 455 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: the Republican Party by the religious fundamental right. So yes, 456 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: you're talking about people like Anthony Kennedy who were not 457 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: political actors, who were not purely ideologues on the court. 458 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 2: Well after David Souter was appointed by President Bush and 459 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: did not fulfill the idea of the conservative justice that 460 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: Republicans thought he should have, everything changed from the top 461 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: down when it came to nominating people to the judiciary, 462 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: from the Supreme Court down to the trial courts in 463 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: the federal judiciary, and so not get a nomination unless 464 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: you had demonstrated a strong core conservative ultra conservative orthodoxy 465 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: that included, often if unspoken, still in existence a litmus 466 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: test for overturning Roe versus Wave. And you had this 467 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 2: situation where the last president, President Trump, was able to 468 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: nominate an extraordinary number of justices to the Supreme Court 469 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: three and four years, and the extraordinary move by Mitch 470 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 2: McConnell to prevent President Obama from appointing his third Supreme 471 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 2: Court nominee that so drastically changed the makeup of the 472 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: court in a pointed and political way that these are 473 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 2: the outcomes you're seeing. All the cases that you're talking 474 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: about are straight out of the playbook of Christian conservatism. 475 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: You're going to expand religious expression protections while restricting the 476 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: separation between church and states. Simultaneously, you can expand gun 477 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 2: rights and say no, no, states cannot. It's not up 478 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 2: to the states to decide what an individual's gun rights are. 479 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 4: We say so. 480 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 2: But when it comes to the fundamental right to privacy, 481 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, leave that to the. 482 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: States, says a state issue. 483 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because you know, states know more. 484 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: About that right and it's coally inconsistent and they don't care. 485 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 486 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: This is all straight out of a playbook that was 487 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: well executed by politicians in order to use the chord 488 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 2: as a lever to a sack them get the outcomes 489 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 2: that they wanted. 490 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: So people who listen to in the thick no that 491 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: I have talked about, you know, as of January sixth, 492 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: a perpetual state of attempted kudet in the United States. 493 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: I would say that what happened with Scotus is part 494 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: of the coup. It is part of in fact, because 495 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: as we know, Donald, it's another way and they when 496 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, I can't believe, it's 497 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: like liddle, they were showing you yes, and they were 498 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: saying to you and frankly, liberal America was asleep at 499 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: the wheel. 500 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 3: But it is getting scary. Okay. 501 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: So the hopeful side is, you know, people taking to 502 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: the streets, massive amounts of protests, which we. 503 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: Saw all week and long. But then you know, you 504 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: saw the backlash. 505 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: And this is again where it gets scary because in Arizona, 506 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: you may have seen this video, state police fired tear 507 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: gas into the crowd of protesters. They were in the 508 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: state capitol building and they were firing out to the protesters. 509 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: In Rhode Island, an off duty police officer who's also 510 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: a GOP candidate for elected office is facing charges after 511 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: assaulting his opponent, a black woman who is at a protest. 512 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: Shit's getting really crazy. You've seen companies, some of whom 513 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: are saying we're going to pay if you need an abortion, 514 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: we'll pay for your travel expenses. But of course that's 515 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: for employees who are on staff right and have those 516 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: that access a lot of people work on contract our freelancers. 517 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of frustration in terms of a lack 518 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: of action from leaders. I think that that's where everybody 519 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: is feeling, like, well, so now what. Let's take a 520 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: listen to protester Zoe Warren who was interviewed by MSNBC 521 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday outside the Supreme Court. 522 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: It went viral. Let's take a listen. 523 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 11: So I received a text message from Joe Biden's campaign 524 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 11: yesterday saying that the Supreme Court had overturned Row versus 525 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 11: WAD and that it was my responsibility to then rush 526 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 11: fifteen dollars to. 527 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: The Democratic National Party. 528 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 11: And I thought that was absolutely outrageous because my rights 529 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 11: should not be a fundraising point for them or a 530 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 11: campaigning point. They have had multiple opportunities to codify Roe 531 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 11: into law over the past twenty thirty, forty fifty years 532 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 11: and they haven't done it. And if they're going to 533 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 11: keep campaigning on this point, they should actually do something 534 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 11: about it. 535 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: So the question is do we think that there is 536 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: enough here and there's some hope right that all of 537 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: this is going to upset enough voters and that Republicans 538 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: are going to face the consequences at the polls in 539 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: the midterms. So what do you think And let's start 540 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: with you, kim In in terms of the political face 541 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: of what this looks like. 542 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 543 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: So generally speaking, whenever I'm asked if some event might 544 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: have an impact on the midterms, right, I say yeah, 545 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: I say, well, I need as a political analyst, I 546 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: need evidence that that has happened before, and what I 547 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: have seen so far, particularly until recently, on the issue, 548 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 2: for example, of guns, it took twenty three years since 549 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: Columbine to get even the most minor and I think 550 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: what was passed this week is the very least. It 551 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: took twenty three years to get the very least. We 552 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: thought that we would get police reform after the whole world, 553 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: really not just the country, the whole world watched George 554 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: Floyd be lynched in a Minneapolis street. 555 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 4: We did not. 556 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: In fact, it is even more protections at the state 557 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: level for things like qualified immunity that prevent accountability to police. 558 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: I thought we would see so many things. The cries 559 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: for just overall social justice and the march is through 560 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: a pandemic. I thought that would lead to change democratically. 561 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: It really didn't. With the exception of the black women 562 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: who turned out in Georgia in the Senate and presidential 563 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: races in twenty twenty to say enough is enough. We 564 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: really didn't see a broader you know, this coalition of 565 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: suburban white women come out and fight for rights that 566 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: just didn't happen. In fact, twenty sixteen white women voted 567 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: for Donald Trump in twenty twenty. It was more so 568 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: for me to sit here and say, yes, now they're 569 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: going to go to the polls and droves and hold 570 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: people responsible. 571 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: I can't say that. The only thing that might be 572 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 4: different now. 573 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: Is whereas those controversies seem to perk up and then 574 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: kind of fade away in the news of the day, 575 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: the fact that we're going to be seeing so many 576 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: of these laws on both sides, both laws seeking to 577 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: further restrict abortion access and those seeking to expand it 578 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: play out at the local and state level, that it's 579 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: going to keep it front of mind, keep it at 580 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: the forefront for weeks and months and years to come. 581 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: That it may have a bigger impact at the poll. 582 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: So if there is a difference, then that is it. 583 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: But again, most of the people who this sort of 584 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: thing would rely upon the kind of voters, the suburban voters, 585 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: if the motivated people, non black and brown people, they 586 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: know they can still have access to abortions. 587 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 4: So I just don't know the answer is, I don't. 588 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: Know too many facts. 589 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: So, Jessica, you know, the thing is the reason why 590 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: it's so depressing is because we have not seen a 591 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: plan from Democrats, Like, you know, women are enraged and 592 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Democrats are like, well, So when President Biden addressed the 593 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: nation on Friday, the. 594 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 12: Only way we can secure women's right to choose the 595 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 12: balance it existed is for Congress to restore the protections 596 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 12: of Roe v. Wade as federal law. No executive action 597 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 12: from the president can do that. 598 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, Joe, I'm losing my patience. And then you know 599 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: you did hear from Senator Elizabeth Warren because she's like, Okay, well, 600 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: I got a plan. How about setting up a abortion 601 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: clinics on federal leans. How about increasing access to abortion medicine? So, Jessica, 602 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: what do Democrats need to do right now? And by 603 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: the way, if you follow AOC, she's like, you need 604 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,959 Speaker 1: to do this, you need to do this, you need 605 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: to do this, And I'm you know, she's got a 606 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: whole plan from your perspective, Jessica, what do the Democrats 607 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: need to do right now. 608 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 5: All of that? 609 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 11: You know? 610 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 7: I mean, what I love about Senator Warren coming out 611 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 7: and just laying it at the Biden administration's feet is 612 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 7: it's really in their court now, Like, truly, can the 613 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 7: federal government go in and set up clinics and access 614 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 7: points on federal property. That's a really interesting question. I'm 615 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 7: sure the anti choice movement would challenge it, but let's 616 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 7: try it and find out. One of the things that 617 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 7: I think people are very frustrated with this administration and 618 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 7: with Democrats in general, is an unwillingness to fight. There's 619 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 7: a lot of willingness to talk, but not a lot 620 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 7: of willingness to actually. 621 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 5: Sort of do that hard work. 622 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 7: The previous administration had no problem dropping an executive order 623 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 7: that banned Muslims from entering this country. I would love 624 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 7: to see Democrats and progressives get as voracious about protecting 625 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 7: rights via the executive and bring the fight to conservatives 626 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 7: as conservatives were in the previous administration, at least where fighting. 627 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 7: I don't know if those are successful, but what I 628 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 7: know absolutely won't work is just asking people to give 629 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 7: money and vote harder. That's actually going to depress folks 630 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 7: who have been in this space for a long time, 631 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 7: and it doesn't work if you live in a state 632 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 7: that has jerrymandered your voter work complex. Yeah, if you 633 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 7: live in a state that makes it practically impossible to vote, 634 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 7: how do you vote harder? For candidates who say and 635 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 7: three more elections will take care of this exactly. 636 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 3: And it's your fault if you're not voting hard exactly. 637 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 3: Before we wrap up, just real quick, real quick. 638 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: Oh okay, Jessica and Kim, do you believe that the 639 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: Supreme Court needs to be expanded and can it be 640 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: expanded quickly? 641 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: Can it happen? 642 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 7: Jessica, Yes, And we need to expand all the courts, 643 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 7: so not just the Supreme Court, but all of them. 644 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 3: Okay, Jessica, just Chipim. Can it happen? 645 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 4: I think it can happen. 646 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it can happen quickly because of the 647 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 2: mechanisms that would be required, but I think that it 648 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: should happen. 649 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 4: This is a change. 650 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 2: I didn't think that expanding the Court would do anything 651 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: but politicize it further. In the recent weeks and months, 652 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: I've changed my mind and I think there needs to 653 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 2: be at least elevenjustices. 654 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 4: That's the reason we have nine now, is that it 655 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 4: used to be nine circuits. At least come up to that. 656 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 6: Before we go, let's move on to our final segment, 657 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 6: which we call La mamos, the last one before you go, 658 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 6: last call. So stuff. 659 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So twenty eighth, when this show is going to drop, 660 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: is also the anniversary of the Stonewall Uprising, because you know, 661 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: that is the reality of this country, is that there 662 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: is always going to be protests, there will always be 663 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: people power, there will always be pushback, and there's always 664 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: going to be also celebration of who we are. So 665 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: we are celebrating pride this month, and I have really 666 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: been just loving all of the celebration. So in that 667 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: spirit of feeling love and pride and okay, a little 668 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: teepy bit of hope, a little peepy bit of this bid, 669 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: Kimberly will end with you, Jessica, what is something that 670 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: is bringing you joy or hope in these days? 671 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 2: You know, one thing that does bring me hope is 672 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 2: the fact, and I don't think that protesting is enough, 673 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 2: but the fact that so many particularly young people in 674 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: my life, you know, people like my nieces and nephews 675 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: and steps on and all the people that I saw 676 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 2: on Friday immediately take to the streets understand and what 677 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: the stakes are and see how that baton has been 678 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 2: passed in such a powerful way. Has to give me 679 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 2: hope for the future that they are clear eyed at 680 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 2: what the stakes are and that they will correct the 681 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 2: mistakes of this generation. It may take a generation, but 682 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 2: that it can happen. 683 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 3: Okay, Jessica, and you, my dear, what's giving you a 684 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 3: little bit of hope? 685 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 5: Joy my community. 686 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 7: I had the distinct honor and pleasure to do a 687 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 7: live in person event last night here in Colorado, just 688 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 7: processing and being in community and breaking down the events 689 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 7: of Friday and through the weekend, and to see folks 690 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 7: so willing to give themselves a moment to feel their feelings. 691 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 7: You know, everybody feels quite betrayed by democracy in their 692 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 7: country in this moment. And then to rally together and say, 693 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 7: but no, we get through this together. And the idea too, 694 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 7: that being defiantly joyful in the face of fascism, there's 695 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 7: something to that, like I just use it. It is 696 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 7: it is, and so that's needed at this moment. 697 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 5: Like that is. 698 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 7: I'm just begging everybody to drill down into themselves and 699 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 7: into their community for collective joy, because that's what we need. 700 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 3: I'm playing Public Enemy and the sex Pistoles this week. 701 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 3: Just back to back. Hell yeah, you know me, I'll 702 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 3: just be looking at birds. Listen. 703 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: Jessica Mason Peaklow, Senior vice president Rewire News Group, and 704 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: Kimberly Atkins Store, Senior opinion writer for The Boston Globe 705 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: and The Emouncipator, thank you so much for joining Julio 706 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: and me on this episode of In the Think. 707 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, what a pleasure. 708 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 709 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm Maria Jojosa and I'm h And remember, dear listener, 710 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: go to Apple Podcasts to rate and review us. Also, 711 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: you can listen to In the Think on all your 712 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 1: major podcast platforms now. 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