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Speaker 1: All right, members of jurry, good morning. All right, y'all

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Speaker 1: sound good? You ready to get started? Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: without further delay. It's the week of November twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: just after Thanksgiving, the opening week of the YSL trial

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Speaker 1: with a seated jury. We should have been at this

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Speaker 1: months ago, and if the court had not set aside

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Speaker 1: the speedy trial rules during the pandemic judicial emergency, we

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Speaker 1: probably would have been. Opening statements are underway. First, the prosecution,

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Speaker 1: da Adrian Love, steps up, and the first words the

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Speaker 1: jury hears from her are from a famous kid's book.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is the law of the jungle, as old

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Speaker 2: and as true as the stock, and the wolf that

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Speaker 2: shall keep it may prosper, But the wolf that shall

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Speaker 2: breads must die, as.

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Speaker 3: The creeper that girdles the tree trunk.

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Speaker 4: The law running forward and back.

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Speaker 3: But the strength of the pack is the wolf, and

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Speaker 3: the strength of the wolf is the pack.

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Speaker 1: Deeper, in the opening statement, she explains the significance.

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Speaker 5: The book that I read to you earlier is from

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Speaker 5: one of my favorite books as a kid.

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Speaker 6: A jungle book.

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Speaker 2: In case anybody recognized that those are running out your.

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Speaker 5: Kipling's words and not mine, But they are appropriate for

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Speaker 5: where we are today. For ten years in County, the

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Speaker 5: group calling itself Young Slime Life dominated the Cleveland Avenue

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Speaker 5: community of Fulton.

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Speaker 2: County by a sale.

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Speaker 3: As the evidence will show, then move individually.

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Speaker 5: The members of the wise Sale then moved like okay,

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Speaker 5: with offended Jeffy Williams as his head.

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Speaker 7: On Tuesday, the defense gets their turn and at a

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Speaker 7: Rico trial, each defense attorney gets an opportunity to make

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Speaker 7: an opening statement on behalf of their client.

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Speaker 1: Young Thug's attorney, Brian Steele, the men's Williams troubled upbringing.

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Speaker 8: Jeffrey Williams was born into an environment, a community, a

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Speaker 8: society that was filled with depression, despair, hopelessness, and helplessness.

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Speaker 8: In this environment, Jeffrey developed deep embedded beliefs our criminal

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Speaker 8: justice system was not just at least for people that he.

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Speaker 1: Saw, and even claims Young Thug's name as a surprising.

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Speaker 8: Meaning Doug and means to Jeffrey something very personal.

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Speaker 6: It was his path.

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Speaker 8: He could ever make it as a musical artist and

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Speaker 8: help the family himself and as many others out of

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Speaker 8: this endless cycle of hopelessness. He would be truly humble

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Speaker 8: under God that's what thug needs.

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Speaker 7: Those are the biggest players in this case. But things

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Speaker 7: get especially interesting for us when defense attorneys for some

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Speaker 7: of the less recognizable defendants take their turns now.

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Speaker 9: Fulton County Blue refers to the Fulton County Jail nine

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Speaker 9: to one rush shoot where people are taking when they're

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Speaker 9: arrested in profelony charges in Fulton County and Full County

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Speaker 9: Love reverse to the josus that these individuals wear.

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Speaker 7: Defense attorney Max Shards Unshannon's Stillwell, one of four YEL

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Speaker 7: defendants accused of being in the rented infinity that was

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Speaker 7: used in the shooting death of Donovan Thomas Junior outside

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Speaker 7: A and M barbershop. Shard introduces the idea that the

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Speaker 7: former YEL defendants who took deals the ones who will

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Speaker 7: now be used as witnesses and the prosecution can't be

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Speaker 7: trusted ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 10: Full County Blue is going to be very important color

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Speaker 10: in this case because the state's key witnesses that they're

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Speaker 10: going to call to testify as my client Shan is

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Speaker 10: still well.

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Speaker 11: When they be.

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Speaker 12: Involved in this case, they were all wear.

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Speaker 6: Fulte County glue.

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Speaker 7: Because anyone will do what they have to do to

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Speaker 7: get out of the Fulton County jail.

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Speaker 13: You confined to a cell, sometimes with another man sharing

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Speaker 13: that small cell with you.

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Speaker 9: You have no privacy used to dad room in front.

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Speaker 13: Of the front of Then you're in fear danger, You're

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Speaker 13: separated from your family and your loved ones. But most importantly,

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Speaker 13: the men wearing blue Full County Blue, they've lost control

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Speaker 13: of their lives.

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Speaker 9: They've lost control of their destiny.

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Speaker 13: Their destiny is now in the hands of the judicious system,

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Speaker 13: in the hands of prosecutors.

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Speaker 7: Well, what you should keep in mind is when did

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Speaker 7: these men.

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Speaker 11: Say what they have to say?

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Speaker 12: Did they say it.

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Speaker 7: When they first got the information to share?

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Speaker 2: What when they claim they got their first.

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Speaker 7: Got the information to share?

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Speaker 9: Or did they share it when they found themselves wearing

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Speaker 9: the Fulton County Blue when they no longer had control

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Speaker 9: of their destinies and they needed a favor, and they

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Speaker 7: A high profile.

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Speaker 14: Case of all their profits.

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Speaker 7: But Shard wasn't the only attorney to bring up Bryce

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Speaker 7: Street right out the gate after.

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Speaker 15: Young Ladies and Fighting Carrington.

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Speaker 7: Matthew's Carrington Matthew Senior represents Marquavius Huey, who's facing more

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Speaker 7: charges than anyone else in the trial, including armed robbery,

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Speaker 7: gang charges, aggravated assault with the deadly weapon, and carjacking.

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Speaker 7: Hue is being subjected to additional counts that were added

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Speaker 12: So the state government they are a legend and mister Huey,

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Speaker 12: along with Tanquarius Mender, did possess a weapon inside the

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Speaker 12: Fulson County jail on that particular date.

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Speaker 7: Sheriff's deputy is allegedly found a shank in the cell

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Speaker 7: of Huey and another wise cel defendant, Tenquarius Mender. But

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Speaker 7: Matthews wonders aloud in front of the jury why two

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Speaker 7: inmates from the same indictment would be put in the

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Speaker 7: same cell in the first place.

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Speaker 12: This isn't the holiday inn. Ladies and gentlemen. You don't

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Speaker 12: get to choose your own room that you want to

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Speaker 12: be in all I want to be on the third floor.

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Speaker 12: I want to be at the penthouse. No, the facility

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Speaker 12: has made a decision to put two individuals who are

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Speaker 12: on the same indictment in the same cell, not the

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Speaker 12: same pod, not the same facility, but the same cell.

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Speaker 7: The implication Matthews is making is that Mender and his

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Speaker 7: client Hugheye could have been set up on that February

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Speaker 12: When they do this ray, they tell everybody get down

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Speaker 12: on the ground, keep your heads looking down, don't look

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Speaker 12: that up. That two individuals on the same indictment in

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Speaker 12: during your first.

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Speaker 1: Using Rice Street's sordid reputation as a defense is an

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Speaker 1: interesting strategy. It also may be a good one.

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Speaker 12: We know that the Fulton County Jail is played with problems,

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Speaker 12: not small problems, huge problems. What kind of problems, problems

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Speaker 12: of people dying there, infestated dead person with bugs on

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Speaker 12: them in your jail that you pay tax dollars for.

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Speaker 7: The jail is falling apart.

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Speaker 14: The jail is under federal.

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Speaker 12: Investigation for inmates not receiving adequate medical care, employees having

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Speaker 12: legal problems. So they charge mister Healey and mister Mender

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Speaker 12: with possessing a shame. You will learn that there are

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Speaker 12: safe place to be when a sale is left open,

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Speaker 12: just trying to lay your head down in sleep. They

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Speaker 12: are scenarios where you want the cell to be lost,

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Speaker 12: so we're gonna ask some difficult conversation questions.

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Speaker 3: When that time comes.

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Speaker 1: Who needs to wait.

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Speaker 7: We've talked about Ray Street before. It's part of the

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Speaker 7: l case and the story. Two yl defendants are charged

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Speaker 7: with trying to kill the rapper wife and Lucci in jail,

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Speaker 7: and of asking Young Thug for permission to take another

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Speaker 7: shot while they're locked up.

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Speaker 1: Young Thug isn't being held in the Fulton County jail.

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Patlabot sent him to Cobb County in an effort

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Speaker 1: to minimize conflict. And then there's Kenneth's couplint that's Little

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Speaker 1: Woody to his friends. He's the state star witness. In

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Speaker 1: that videotaped conversation with police we featured earlier in the series,

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Speaker 1: he's desperate to avoid going to Rice Street, says he'd

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Speaker 1: much preferred to duke time in prison than sit in

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Speaker 7: People around the world started hearing about Rice Street when

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump's mugshots started circulating this summer, but the jail's

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Speaker 7: existence predates these headlines by decades, and it's been name

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Speaker 7: checked in Atlanta rat for some twenty years. It's an

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Speaker 7: or Magic City. Atlanta rap artists have known that Fulton

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Speaker 7: County jail is actually more dangerous than any street corner

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Speaker 1: Some of the people we've been talking about in this

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Speaker 1: podcast have bled on Rice Street's cracked concrete floor since

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Speaker 1: the start of this trial. Some have been murdered targets,

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Speaker 1: Some are accused of trying to murder others in this jail,

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Speaker 1: and all around them, bodies are falling. That blood behind

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Speaker 1: bars matters to music, to Atlanta and to this case.

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Speaker 1: And today we delve into Rice streets sorted reputation with

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Speaker 1: people who have spent time inside.

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Speaker 6: You want people say up, I.

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Speaker 16: Had no idea that in America people would be treated

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Speaker 7: I'm George Cheedy and I'm Christina Lee. This is king slime,

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Speaker 7: the prosecution of young thug and ysl.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta has never had a jail that wasn't some kind

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Speaker 1: of problem. Rice Street is the sixth jail built for

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Speaker 1: Fulton County since nineteen hundred, and every single one eventually

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Speaker 1: had to be rebuilt or replaced because of overcrowding. Degradation

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Speaker 12: The newest and one of the deadliest drugs sweeping the

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Speaker 17: Drugs now appear to have penetrated every level of society,

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Speaker 17: but it's as.

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Speaker 7: Innocent looking as canned another.

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Speaker 3: But it's turning our cities into battle zones.

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Speaker 1: The city got Atlanta's abusive Red Dog unit of drug cops.

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Speaker 18: As they're called Red Dog after the blitzing football defense

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Speaker 18: of the same name. Red Dog, we're told is supposed

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Speaker 18: at what police say are known drug hotspots.

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Speaker 1: It got expanded courts, but it did not get a

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Speaker 1: Fulton County opened the jail on Rice Street in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine. On paper, it's designed for five inmates. As

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Speaker 1: far as we can tell, it has never held fewer

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Speaker 1: at times it's been stuffed with well over three thousand.

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Speaker 7: Atlanta's rappers haven't missed the beat on Rice Street. The

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Speaker 7: jail is mythic and myth making. It's been name checked

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Speaker 7: by nearly a dozen local artists, from twenty one Savage.

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Speaker 12: Rye Street, A Ladda Soups to Peewee long Way, They

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Speaker 14: In the Breakfast You know that your homemade on of

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Speaker 7: And Future I was on the way to not once

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Speaker 7: gonna back when he was still known as Young Gonna,

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Speaker 7: from a time before Young Thug became his label boss

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Speaker 7: and mentor. Like Street, and one of the first songs

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Speaker 7: to feature Young Thug after he was arrested, features a

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Speaker 7: similar punchline like.

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Speaker 12: Rice Break without a fun Fun I was playing with

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Speaker 12: the way before the.

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Speaker 7: Brown That's run by Killer Mike from an album nominated

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Speaker 7: Gucci Mainmui with the big old Good.

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Speaker 11: Nine one on the.

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Speaker 7: Song Internet Chatter, Gucci is looking back on the man

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Speaker 7: So this song First Day Out set a new homecoming

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Speaker 7: to be called Fuck Rice street Man Butt APD Butt

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Speaker 7: Status Sprays bought Rice Street Buck but a Ya Fulton

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Speaker 7: Chris Shadow, Rice Street, Shoutout It, tg Hey doing break Me.

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Speaker 1: That goes to the uniquely dysfunctional conditions at the Fulton

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Speaker 1: County Jail. Might It's February twenty twenty three and I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to a man named Dements Flannagan on the phone.

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Speaker 1: He's an inmate at Ryce Street, calling me from a

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Speaker 6: No word they yet, they got.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to make out on the correctly prison phone line,

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Speaker 7: Here the minute I walked into the jail, it's nasty.

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Speaker 7: It's not sanitary, it's not clean anywhere. They got bodies

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Speaker 1: Intake is the main floor holding ceut where new inmates

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Speaker 15: Now, at some point, did anybody try to sort of

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Speaker 6: Oh? To me, a lot of stamping. Oh like, why

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Speaker 19: Wait? So the deputy said that they were taking you

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Even after the cryptic warning. When Flannigan gets up there

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Speaker 6: More like shown in the world, broken and secured, I know,

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Speaker 6: locking down. How night we got mad swords and shaded

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Speaker 19: Did you say, swords and machetes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The higher you go at Rice Street, the tighter the security.

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Speaker 1: Because of their long term stays, it's likely most of

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Speaker 1: the y s L guys are on floors five through seven.

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Speaker 1: It's on floor five where Flanagan says on February twelfth,

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Speaker 6: That was the Dame room. I made a way over

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Speaker 6: the skills, got into the room, locked myself in the room.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to hold a dose into the room, got

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Speaker 7: They came into the room and stabbed me in my arms.

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Speaker 7: I had to let the door go. They came in

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Speaker 6: Then go all the way.

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Speaker 7: This is how it went. Ain't no other way.

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Speaker 15: So you saw him coming, they attacked you. You were

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Speaker 6: Hey, twenty people stab me up.

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Speaker 19: Stam So you're right now. You were assuming it was

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Speaker 15: But did anybody There was never anybody who said like,

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Speaker 6: And this is why no no one ever told me

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Speaker 6: I don't have people's personal life. Brilliant again, his marting

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Speaker 1: To be clear, Flannagan is not saying any of the

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Speaker 1: y Sale defendants were involved in this incident. Flanninggan is

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Speaker 19: How are you, like, what's your mental health like right now?

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Speaker 19: Are you in fear?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean I mean my gang.

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Speaker 7: Ever since I've been stabbed, I've had nightmares or sleepless nights,

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Speaker 19: Have you seen other flights or stabbings before you were injured?

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Speaker 7: Yes, before I was injured and after?

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Speaker 19: Right so how often is this happening?

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Speaker 16: Like?

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Speaker 19: What do you see?

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Speaker 6: You have one that had left often.

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Speaker 7: It was almost like I can't get space. It would

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Speaker 1: Flannagan has been locked up before, he's even served hard

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Speaker 7: Right now, it's crazy like I've been in prison. It's

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Speaker 7: I just did six years in prison and never got

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Speaker 1: Flanning In hopes by talking to me that people will

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Speaker 19: You are incredibly lucky to have survived this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 19: Do you have a sense of like, so what stopped them?

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Speaker 6: I'm a great to God.

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Speaker 19: Demand I am grateful for you, and like, I'm grateful

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Speaker 19: that you've survived. Take care, keep it hid up all right,

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Speaker 1: Last year, a Sheriff's deputy working on Rice Street's medical

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Speaker 3: The family of a man who died in the Fulton

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Speaker 7: Alive in his cell by bedbugs and insects.

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Speaker 1: Other people came to the cell and has matt Suits

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Speaker 4: Thirty five year old Lashawn Thompson was arrested last June

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Speaker 4: his face and torso covered with bugs are too graphic

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Speaker 1: Death that Markuavius Hughey's attorney Carton Matthews referred to at

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Speaker 12: We know that the Fulton County Jail is played with probs,

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Speaker 12: not small problems, huge problems. What kind of problems, problems

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Speaker 6: With bugs on them.

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Speaker 1: You would think the death of Lashawn Thompson and the

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Speaker 1: four million dollars settlement the county had to pay his

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Speaker 1: family might have been a wake up call, and it

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Speaker 1: was perhaps for us. None of this was a revelation

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Speaker 1: to people who know the.

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Speaker 14: Jail the way that I grew up.

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Speaker 16: I had no idea that in America people would be

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Speaker 1: This is Lauren Hoppin. She's a nurse. From January until September.

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Speaker 1: She worked in side Rise Street, employed by a national

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Speaker 17: So Lashawan Thompson was the man who died covered in

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Speaker 17: bedbug bites. Can you explain to me from the inside perspective,

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Speaker 1: That's King Slime producer Tommy Andres who interviewed Lauren with me.

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Speaker 16: The cells always look like that, I would say, like

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Speaker 14: I said, like, bedbugs don't really eat people, Like, what

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Speaker 14: do you think you know?

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Speaker 16: Because this is a little bit prior to when I

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Speaker 16: We do not clean the cells, so it's not a

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Speaker 1: Hopper says, even though she wasn't there when Thompson died,

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Speaker 1: she saw plenty of evidence of dangerous squalor.

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Speaker 16: There were times they would say that the inmates would

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Speaker 14: They would do it.

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Speaker 16: And I would try to give meds to guys like

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Speaker 16: getting out of their bunks with water up to their

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Speaker 17: To the to the sewage not just water like toilet water.

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Speaker 14: Correct.

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Speaker 16: And so when you see those pictures like that's not

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Speaker 16: that doesn't surprise me at all. I just kind of

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Speaker 16: I would have people like the most recent one was

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Speaker 14: And they usually they would everybody would say, yeah, the bugs.

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Speaker 16: At night they come out, and so I saw, like,

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Speaker 16: I mean, it was that now that's a daily More

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Speaker 16: and show me bite marks. So I don't know what's

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Speaker 16: biting 'em. But on the mental health, I've seen, like

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Speaker 16: I've opened up a door before with like gnats everywhere,

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Speaker 16: So they don't a lot of times their trays are

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Speaker 16: they say no. It's not like anyone's like no, like

444
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 16: you need to, they're just like you don't want to next,

445
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 16: and so they you know, they might spend days without

446
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 16: even looking. You know, they might make sure that they're

447
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 16: breathing from afar, but it's not like they're doing any

448
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 16: kind of check on them. And then how it an

449
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 16: officer really know what to look for when it comes

450
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 16: to the medical So.

451
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 17: How often are the cells cleaned, and how big is

452
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 17: that staff?

453
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 16: Like is it I've never seen by, Like, I've never

454
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 16: seen staffed. I don't know who cleans it. I've never seen.

455
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 16: I mean maybe the trustees. I see trustees like sometimes sweeping.

456
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 17: Trustees are volunteers.

457
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 16: They're the inmates that they say like based on their behavior,

458
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 16: But it's not true because I know a few of

459
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 16: the murders that are trustees. So they're allowed out in

460
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 16: the popular you know, with everyone. But yeah, they do work.

461
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 17: So there is no cleaning staff at the jail, at

462
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 17: least for the cells. I mean maybe potentially for the

463
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 17: staff areas or something, but.

464
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Speaker 14: I don't think.

465
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 16: No, holy shit, I don't think I ever saw, because

466
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 16: nurses are like inherently kind of you know, we clean

467
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 16: our area.

468
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 14: So I guess I just didn't. I mean I definitely wondered,

469
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 14: like how long has this been this way?

470
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 16: When I would see someone with multiple you know, with

471
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 16: their food like stacked or something. And then with the

472
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 16: overcrowding where a lot of them are sleeping on they

473
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 16: call them boats on the floor. They a lot of

474
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 16: them were on the floor and they had them on

475
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 16: and I think that the numbers are down now, but

476
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 16: they had reached a point where it was like people

477
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 16: were waiting just to have a cot.

478
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 14: So they're like out in the open.

479
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 16: So then obviously it's gonna get dirty faster than anybody

480
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 16: could ever probably keep up. But I do not have

481
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 16: to think about that. I don't think I ever saw

482
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 16: like a cleaning person.

483
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: The most insane part of all of this is that

484
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: these aren't convict These are people who have been arrested

485
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: and are merely accused of a crime.

486
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 16: Not only are they not convicted, they literally haven't even

487
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 16: been able to determine if they geta like, you know,

488
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 16: have a bond.

489
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Hopper says that folks into Rice Street are hit hard

490
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: by the dire conditions the second they come in the door.

491
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 14: My thing was an intake. So then I'm sitting there.

492
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 16: Each person comes in telling their story to me, and

493
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 16: I have like the glass so I can look out,

494
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 16: and then we just have everybody else in these about

495
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 16: five or six cages pretty much, and there were fifteen

496
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 16: twenty guys in one little like closet space. They couldn't

497
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 16: get them out of the intake area because there wasn't

498
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 16: any room upstairs. But there was no bite Tromp you know,

499
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 16: there was no sense of urgency. So it would be

500
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 16: like there were guys there first for a week, what.

501
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 19: Do they mean?

502
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Like kay, correct in the intake section.

503
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 14: Correct and you aren't.

504
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 16: And there's things like your mental health meds that until

505
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 16: you see a mental health provider, which we don't offer

506
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 16: unless you're suicidal, they don't come. You don't get them

507
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 16: when you're down an intake, So you go how many

508
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 16: days without your meds? And then you act out and

509
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 16: then and then the officers punish them by they won't

510
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 16: open the doors at all. I mean, I would see

511
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 16: like men that I knew based on like looking at

512
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 16: them that they have you know, COPD, certain things like that,

513
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 16: and they'd get all kind of worked up and start

514
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 16: trying red and I'd be like, can you let them

515
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 16: just sit out there? And like so many of them

516
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 16: start having panic attacks and we just and I'd be like,

517
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 16: just they just need to breathe, like they're not trying

518
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 16: to do anything, you know, they would a lot of

519
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 16: times the officers would just you kind of just get

520
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 16: jaded and you just assume that the person's just trying

521
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 16: to act out because they want privileges. And it's like

522
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 16: you're in a box for seven days, like I would

523
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 16: have lost my mind. It was me and one other

524
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 16: nurse would do our best to at least let them

525
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 16: try to come out for five minutes to breathe. And

526
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 16: to think that that was like pulling, you know, something

527
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 16: that was difficult to provide. Was just like, this is

528
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 16: inhumane and these people, you know, it would be trespathy

529
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 16: or something.

530
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 14: It's just like traumatic.

531
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Occasionally staff would have to separate someone down an intake

532
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: for all sorts of reasons. Popper says one in.

533
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 16: Particular, allegedly he tried to kick the officer, so they

534
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 16: put him in the cell by himself, down an intake again,

535
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 16: So this is someone that's just got there charged.

536
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 14: But no, you know, I hadn't seen a judge.

537
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 16: And then I don't know how much time went by,

538
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 16: but something happened where I guess they were walking by

539
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 16: and saw like his hair sticking out from the bottom

540
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 16: of the cell, so you knew he was on the

541
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 16: ground and ran over there. He's not responding, He's like,

542
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 16: can't you know, you don't see any movement of the hair.

543
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 16: So it's just like so they were like all medical,

544
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 16: all officers, and we all go over there.

545
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 14: It was like twenty people.

546
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 16: It was like the whole jail, and we're all just

547
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 16: standing there because we can't get the door open. So

548
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 16: then they get maintenance, and this guy's down and you're

549
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 16: just expecting the worst.

550
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 14: You're like, you're gonna find it cold body like. So

551
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 14: maintenance comes. He can't get it.

552
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 16: So one of the biggest officers kind of like you're

553
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 16: like kind of stocky, he grabs the crowbar and just

554
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 16: starts like doing like old school, like just trying to

555
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 16: So basically we finally get the door open. I'm going

556
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 16: to go about fifteen at least fifteen minutes.

557
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: The man was lying on the floor unresponsive.

558
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 14: And then we pull him out.

559
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 16: He's got somehow he's like he tied his belt around

560
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 16: his neck, but he's still breathing. So we don't know

561
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 16: if like maybe he just wasn't able to complete it

562
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 16: or if he like who.

563
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 7: Knows what it was.

564
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: The man survived barely.

565
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 14: They blamed it on the inmate and said that he

566
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 14: jammed the door.

567
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 16: But the fact that that is like that's when I understand,

568
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 16: like the sheriff says, let's get a new jail. But

569
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 16: it's also like, can't you make sure door's open and

570
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 16: close properly? That like it's not sure the thing's falling apart,

571
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 16: but it's an old building. But the fact but that

572
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 16: is just so oh crazy that like we couldn't even

573
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 16: attend to someone who could have, like to think that

574
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 16: if his family found out that he had passed when

575
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 16: he didn't have to.

576
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 19: I don't know.

577
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: But as Attorney Matthews alluded to at the top of

578
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: the show, the biggest problem in the jail might not

579
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: be the doors that won't open, but doors that won't

580
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: stay closed. This is because most of them are broken.

581
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: Happer says she learned this the hard way during one

582
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: of her first shifts, when the tone inside Rice Street

583
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: suddenly shifted dramatically.

584
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 16: All of a sudden, the guys that were hanging out

585
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 16: food trays go up in the air and everybody's like

586
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 16: yelling something was going on. I don't know what caused it,

587
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 16: but then they had so they were all just like

588
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 16: fighting officer runs and like I didn't realize that all.

589
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 14: The doors were It was like after fact, like.

590
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 16: They were like, oh yeah, you didn't know that they

591
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 16: can open all those doors. And then that day specifically

592
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 16: they ended up having several stabbings.

593
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 14: At that moment.

594
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: When you say they can open the doors, like, what

595
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: do you mean?

596
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 14: They just use force and they literally just push them.

597
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 16: It's not difficult at all, but I but until I

598
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 16: saw it, I didn't realize it.

599
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 14: Was like, oh, I can do it too.

600
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: There are buildings in war zones with better infrastructure. Hopper

601
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: remembers how a summer storm knocked out the jail's electricity

602
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: and then all hell.

603
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 14: Broke loose the miners.

604
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 16: They'll put them in the empty cells with all these

605
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 16: like older men, but those all they can they can

606
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 16: open those doors as well. So I ended up that

607
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 16: in there when all the lights went out and it

608
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 16: was so dark, I couldn't I didn't know where to go,

609
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 16: but I had my cart out, so I was like

610
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 16: trying to lock up what I could and I couldn't see,

611
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 16: and finally I saw the officers just flash light, so

612
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 16: I flagged her down.

613
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Heavy rains pounded the leaky old building.

614
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 16: But when we went to like make sure they were

615
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 16: all in their cells at the time, it was flooding

616
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 16: so bad.

617
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 14: It was like buckets of water coming out, and you're just.

618
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 16: Looking at these kids that are like eighteen years old,

619
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 16: just like looking at you, like you know, in the

620
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 16: pitch black. So I thought when I left, they wouldn't

621
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 16: let us l like it was all nothing works, so

622
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 16: you can't get out of the building or in the building.

623
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 16: And then they were like, well you can't leave because

624
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 16: we can't properly get people the night shift to come in,

625
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 16: you know, like they were so what they were doing

626
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 16: was so some of the inmates I don't even know how,

627
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 16: but whatever area they were in or it was like

628
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 16: really dark, they were following the officers through the tunnels

629
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 16: to get to like another area. Finally get out, probably

630
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 16: like ten o'clock at night. And I was convinced that

631
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 16: that whole place like would just be s everybody would

632
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 16: be like, I don't know, like slaughtered.

633
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 14: That's a scary.

634
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm sort of picturing this like this jail has this

635
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: reputation as a hellhole. It's physically falling apart, like it's

636
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: raining outside and so it's raining inside. I get and

637
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: then all the lights go out in a jail where

638
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: the doors can be opened by can make it correct.

639
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 14: Or could it be or could be stuck and then

640
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 14: they're stuck in.

641
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: There you're describing a horror movie, like this is a

642
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: setup for a horror movie.

643
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 16: And I was like, is this a bad call to

644
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 16: help people stay here? Because I was like, this is

645
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 16: how it goes down a horror film. And then I'm

646
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 16: stuck in the jail, you know, when the whole place

647
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 16: goes up and blames.

648
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: Yce Street was built in nineteen eighty nine. It's not

649
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: ancient by any means, but it is truly crumbling. Inmates

650
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: have been breaking the building into pieces to forge shanks.

651
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Figures are released by the sheriff through the first ten

652
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: months of twenty twenty three, telly two hundred and ninety

653
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: three stabbings, three hundred and thirty seven fights, nine hundred

654
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: and twenty two assaults, and more than one thousand and

655
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty six confiscated shanks. According to the

656
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: Atlanta Journal Constitution, nearly every day someone is getting stabbed there.

657
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Nearly every day there's a demense. Flanagan get this, An

658
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: inmate managed to dig a hole shawshank redemption style through

659
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: the walls of the jail, not to free himself, but

660
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: to get to another inmate in the next cell block

661
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: to stab him. The jail is also suffered from staffing

662
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: problems of all kinds. Maintenance workers say they don't always

663
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: feel safe enough there to work, which exacerbates the issues

664
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Speaker 1: with infrastructure. But there are other types of staffing problems

665
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Speaker 1: that are even more concerning. Two days after Flannagan's attack,

666
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: a sheriff's deputy allegedly opened a door to allow an inmate,

667
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: Frank Hubbert, to enter a communal area from a different zone.

668
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: Hubbard approached two men arguing and participated in a group

669
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Speaker 1: beating and stabbing of twenty six year old quesshn Green.

670
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Speaker 20: A group of inmates piled on one vulnerable prisoner, with

671
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Speaker 20: the detention officer watching it all take place.

672
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Speaker 1: This is on an arrest warrant not for Hubbard, but

673
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Speaker 1: for detention officer Gloria Franklin, charging her with violating a

674
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: rowth of office and other charges. Rather than stop the attack,

675
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Speaker 1: Franklin led it unfold. The warrant states a.

676
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Speaker 20: Jail monitors report of misconduct by a Fulton officer seemed

677
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 20: so bizarre we tried to uncover every detail about the

678
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 20: alleged actions of Gloria Franklin that, if true, not only

679
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 20: violates policy but is also a violation of the law.

680
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Speaker 1: Describing video evidence, the warrant says she then escorted Hubbert

681
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Speaker 1: back to his zone, retrieved cleaning supplies, and cleaned up

682
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: the blood on the floor. She didn't document the attack,

683
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: and Green didn't receive medical attention until other deputies to

684
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: him a day later. According to the warrant daffidavit, others,

685
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: both deputies and unsworn staff, have been fired for misconduct

686
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: to particularly smuggling drugs. The jail is averaging about one

687
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: deputy a month being arrested and charged with crimes themselves

688
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: on charges ranging from sexual contact with prisoners to facilitating

689
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: acts of violence by inmates. And finally, because of staffing shortages,

690
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: there aren't enough deputies to respond immediately to an act

691
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: of violence, and the people being held there know it,

692
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: hence the glut of stabbings. For all the public focus

693
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: on the horrifying death of Lashawn Thompson, the everyday life

694
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Speaker 1: of a prisoner at Fulton County Jail is to experience

695
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: fear of violence. But perhaps the most shocking thing is

696
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: the lack of basic civility, which Lauren Hopper says she

697
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: was slowly being conditioned to ignore.

698
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Speaker 16: A lot of nurses yell do a lot of yelling,

699
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 16: kind of like the officers do, just to kind of

700
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 16: own the presence of being there. And I felt like

701
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 16: that's not my style, and I didn't think I could

702
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 16: ever really be that person, and so that that worried

703
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 16: me a lot. I didn't really have problems except for

704
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 16: the masterby. I really didn't have problems with the inmates.

705
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 16: Is they if you, just like any human, if you

706
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 16: treat them right, they pretty much respond.

707
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a sentence. Like except for the masturbation.

708
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Speaker 1: I didn't well.

709
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Speaker 14: Because I feel like it's it's pretty bad and I

710
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 14: can't fit. I can't put my finger on where that

711
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 14: comes from.

712
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 16: I mean, they'll be like it'll be like ten of

713
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 16: them and they all have blankets on, and then they

714
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 16: take the blanket off, and then the officer turns their

715
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 16: head and like it's like this wait what Yeah, So

716
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 16: they're like you've seen picture or you know how like

717
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 16: the jail, like they have the upstairs and then they

718
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 16: head it down and then they all line up to

719
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 16: get their meds. So I'm standing there and then the

720
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Speaker 16: officer as supposed to be like keeping control right here,

721
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 16: but then they're like talking to someone else, or they're

722
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 16: turned around like this, and every time they do, they

723
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 16: pull the blanket back and are jacking off, and like

724
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 16: there's like up to fifteen of them at a time.

725
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 16: One officer that kind of laughed about it. He was allowing,

726
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 16: they were coming up to like the window where like

727
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 16: my card is, and they were like narrating. And then

728
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 16: that's when I got mad, which is surreal that I'm

729
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 16: acting like this is like normal, But it was kind

730
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 16: of like they would have a story about how I

731
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 16: wanted it, you know, like things like that to where

732
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 16: I could hear it.

733
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Speaker 1: And then I was like, this is like I'm sorry,

734
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't mean to re traumatize your here.

735
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Speaker 16: No.

736
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Speaker 17: No, what's interesting is it doesn't sound traumatizing to you.

737
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 17: Just sounds very traumatizing to anyone Like well, because I.

738
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 16: Think I'm a little bit like bias, like I like that,

739
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 16: like I want to be on the inmate side, and

740
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 16: I felt like that they didn't really treat me.

741
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 14: But it's is this what an abusive abused.

742
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 17: Person like, Well, it's a sign of them being institutionalized,

743
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 17: which is just surprising that you could be institutionalized to

744
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 17: that level in a jail and not in a prison,

745
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 17: Like that's that's what I think, That's what I find

746
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 17: most upsetting about that anecdote. It's like, this behavior is

747
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 17: not something I would imagine any of these people would

748
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 17: do on the street.

749
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 16: Absolutely not, and as why I would just kind of

750
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 16: not forgive them, but like think there's probably like something

751
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 16: behind that.

752
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: The pandemic reshaped jails and prisons across the country and

753
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: across Georgia. Death rates have exploded in both nationwide, but

754
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: the scale of the dysfunction of Rice Street can be

755
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: hard to understand without hearing it directly from someone who

756
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: has seen it, and can be believed. Inmates and defense

757
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: attorneys have been talking about these problems for years. Of course,

758
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: the Fulton County Sheriff's Office employed four hundred and three

759
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: officers as of May, with one hundred and thirty two

760
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: posted at the jail. A spokesperson for the jail said

761
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: the office is forty officers short of full staffing, which

762
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: may explain this. Other jails and prisons have been dropping

763
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: naf care after high cost lawsuits and inmate deaths, but

764
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: in Fulton County's case, it was Nafcare that pulled out

765
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: of its twenty seven million dollar contract to serve Ice

766
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: Street in May, seven months before it was due to expire.

767
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: Nafcare cited assaults on its staff and the stabbing of

768
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Speaker 1: a patient as grounds for its departure. The Navcare CEO,

769
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Bradford McLane issued a statement calling Rice Street quote the

770
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: most dangerous jail or prison facility where Nafcare is contracted

771
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: to provide services in any location in the country. And

772
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: then the county talked Nafcare into coming back. One of

773
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the conditions for Nafkir's return was enhanced security for its staff.

774
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: Nafcare hires off duty sheriff's deputies to shadow their nurses,

775
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: the same ones who work at the jail.

776
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Speaker 16: It was because we had a couple incidences and we

777
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 16: had a medical assistant get attacked by an enmey. So

778
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 16: then they hired our officers to work over time for

779
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 16: eighty dollars an hour to not be able to do

780
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 16: any kind of intervention, just sit there to be our security.

781
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Speaker 14: So like say another like a fight was breaking out.

782
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Speaker 16: They're like, oh, but I'm with Nathcare today, I'm not

783
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Speaker 16: an officer, So it would be kind of like the

784
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 16: best money you'll ever make is a you know, just

785
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 16: to sit there and they'd be like standing there, like

786
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 16: falling asleep.

787
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 14: They'd be snoring, and I'd have to wake them up.

788
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Speaker 1: So this is the same folks who would be working

789
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: a different shift to the current county.

790
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 16: Correct, and a lot of them would go I don't

791
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 16: even know that they would take a break, maybe a

792
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 16: couple hours maybe, So.

793
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Speaker 1: You saw guys that were just sort of falling out.

794
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 14: Correct.

795
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: I reached out to the Sheriff's office to ask about

796
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: Nafcare's contract. The office confirmed that Nathcare hires off duty

797
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: sheriff's deputies for jail security, without further comment. Federal investigators

798
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: recently began a probe of the Fulton County Jail. Their

799
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: timing was interesting. The pace of deaths there increased for

800
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: about two months. The jail averaged a death a week.

801
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: Those were the two months that the Sheriff's office had

802
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: to dramatically shift its staffing, increasing the hours of overtime

803
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: it demanded of its deputies while pulling people out of

804
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: off duty time elsewhere to prepare for the rival of

805
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: its highest profile visitor, Donald Trump.

806
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Speaker 21: History being made where we have a former president coming

807
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 21: to Metro Atlanta, turning himself into the jail, facing a

808
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 21: number of charges for allegedly trying to overturn an election.

809
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: Here in our state, prosecutors are arguing that YSL isn't

810
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: just a street gang, but a jail gang. They're linking

811
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: accusations of crimes committed at Rice Street to their activities

812
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: as a gang, establishing dominance and control wherever they are.

813
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: Several defendants faced charges from jail activity, as we mentioned

814
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times now. The indictment accuses Christian Eppinger

815
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: of trying to kill wife and Lucci in jail, but

816
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: he's also accused of fighting jail guards and other acts

817
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: of misbehavior, including an inappropriate relationship with a jail guard.

818
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: Tanquarius Mender is accused of leading a riot where Jelias

819
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: Little rod Ryan is accused of having drugs in jail.

820
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: Shannon Stillwell is accused of masturbating in front of a

821
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: female guard. But Rice Street is such a mess in

822
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: every way. How they determined what's gang violence or gang

823
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: activity and what's not seems like a tricky proposition. In

824
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: some cases, legal misconduct may simply be a matter of survival.

825
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: On July twenty seven, Deronte Bibi, one of the wise

826
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: held defendants, was stabbed in the head by another prisoner

827
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: while he was in his bunk. According to a jail report,

828
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: guards found him with a gash on his forehead and

829
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: below his eye on his cheek. Video shows how he

830
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: was attacked with a knife by a man in jail

831
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: on murder charges. Bibe refused to make a statement to investigators.

832
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: Three months later, on the eve of the trial, Bbe

833
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: took a plea on the rico charge to serve five

834
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: years in state prison and to get out of Rice

835
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Speaker 1: Street immediately. As of this recording, in early December, ten

836
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: people have died in the jail's custody. In twenty twenty three,

837
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: fifteen people died there in twenty twenty two. Tracking recent

838
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: jail destination wide has been a challenge. A program to

839
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: track in custody deaths at the United States Department of

840
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Justice through the Death and Custody Reporting Act ended just

841
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: as the pandemic began. Assaults and other acts of violence

842
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: are even harder to tabulate, meaning there are no statistical

843
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: breakdowns of the most dangerous jails in America. But let's

844
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: put things into perspective. With a little comparison. Plans to

845
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: close the notorious Rikers Island jail complex in New York

846
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: were recently finalized after complaints over violent and inhumane conditions there.

847
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: Twenty eight people died at Rikers in the past two years,

848
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: compared to twenty five over that same time. Biot at

849
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: Rice Street. But get this. Rikers is a complex of

850
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: ten jails and holds as many as fifteen thousand inmates.

851
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Rice Street holds thirty three hundred three less deaths, one

852
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: fifth the size. Certainly there are more stats than just

853
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: inmate deaths to tell you, but it's hard to argue

854
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: against Rice Street topping that list. It's Monday, December eleventh,

855
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, early morning, still dark outside. Attorney Max

856
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: Shark gets a phone call his client Chanon's stillwell, has

857
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: been stabbed in jail. In the courtroom, a few hours later,

858
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: Judge Euro Glanville addresses the jury. Okay, listen, lays Young,

859
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: There's something I need to take up with you, so

860
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: don't get too comfortable, right.

861
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 8: It's on Laisian Young.

862
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: We'd have a medical issue.

863
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 8: Come up with one of our participants, so I'm going

864
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 8: to have to reset for today.

865
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Speaker 1: Okay, and these things happen. He doesn't want to bias

866
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: the jury by telling them exactly what happened, but they

867
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: likely notice the empty chair next to Attorney Max Shark.

868
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Speaker 1: I call Shard on the phone when I find out

869
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: he's about to head to Grady Hospital to meet Stillwell.

870
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: He's still gathering details, but it sounds bad. We learned

871
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: later still Well sustained multiple stab wounds and underwent a

872
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: two hour surgery. When we talked, Shard isn't sure what

873
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: this will mean for the trial.

874
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 11: It's very unfortunate and very concerning. It has many people

875
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 11: who care very much about him and where.

876
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Speaker 1: It is border and that they Stillwell has been in

877
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: the Fulton County jail since March of twenty twenty two,

878
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: and this isn't the first time he's been assaulted. Four

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Speaker 1: months after being locked up, he was stabbed as well.

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Speaker 1: We asked one block question, not specific about Chattle, what

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Speaker 1: the fuck are we going to do about the jail?

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Speaker 6: Obviously that's the complex problem that I do.

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Speaker 19: Not have the pluton for.

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Speaker 11: It's just dead just said.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not the only guy, like, he's not

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Speaker 1: the only The idea that you might have multiple clients

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Speaker 1: in her jail is just mind blowing.

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Speaker 11: Ring the families. The mothers will call me constantly, not

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Speaker 11: even worried about the legal issues involved in cases. I

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Speaker 11: try to get more calls about safety concerns than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Sharda isn't calling for a mistrial, he isn't expecting one.

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Speaker 1: Stillwell wants his day in court. That day in court

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Speaker 1: has been long coming. I've been looking at problems in

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Speaker 1: this jail for as long as I've been looking at

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Speaker 1: this case. Longer Shart and I have talked about it.

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Speaker 1: The men's Flannagan was one is client. Every lawyer I've

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Speaker 1: talked to about the jail has a story to tell

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Speaker 1: about one client or Anothery're getting hurt at Rice Street.

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for a day like this in the

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Speaker 1: YSL trial, worrying that one of the defendants is going

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Speaker 1: to get killed before the trial is over. But I guess,

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Speaker 1: as Judge Gladville would say, these things happen.

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Speaker 1: Gets written and produced by George Cheaty, Christina Lee, and

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Speaker 1: Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 7: Mixing sound design and original music by Evan Tyre and

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