1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot in a production of I Heart Radiors. Okay, 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: what's up with that? Hey, this is the podcast Jake 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: dot Bil. This is Jill Scott with my ladies. Hello, 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: this is a trip Braden's. They know me. You may 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: know me from such places as Kindred, the family soul 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: or your schoolyard. Picking up several of multiple children. Found them. 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: They are six, half of them are almost gone and 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm here with you. J dot il j telling me 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: so happy to have you. Ohow, I don't know whether 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: it goes to the valley or to my bill collector 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: voice which want to read it? Bill collector, bill collector? Oh, yes, 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: you have reached Margaret. Yes, so my name. Oh I 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: just gave my whole government. All right, yeah, I'm like 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: you maybe have that crazy laugh go ahead. You may 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: know me from my mouth is running. I don't have 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: six children and a hit record, but my mouth does 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: its work. Oh that's funny, because look we talk about today, amen, 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: mouth and work work, work from mouth. This is a 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: podcast to spark conversation. That's the point and the goal. Listen, 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: we are talking about sex workers today. M sex. Yeah, 21 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: talking about sex one right, so interesting now that we 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: use the term sex worker because the point at the 23 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: end of the day was to think sex should not 24 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: be work, but yet it is the job choice of 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: many people. Of many people, obviously male, female, all gender, 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: so folks. So a lot of people are getting busy 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes even when it's not a job, it's work. 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like if sex is work, 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: then we shouldn't be doing it. That part. I feel 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to be free and we're supposed to 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: just enjoy each other and that's it. Yeah, that's it. 32 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: I don't don't believe in all that. Yes, that operates 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: under the assumption that getting sex or access to sex 34 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: is easy for people because the maybe they don't have 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: access to just have it on a whim. Everyone's not 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: a sexy and attractive vision. What this sex demand? I 37 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: don't understand what you mean. This very essential part of 38 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: life can sometimes be a service that many people are 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: in the market for. That's all I'm gonna say about 40 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: I think that's a very very mature way to bring 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: this up. Yeah, because some people are paying for the gooch, 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: all the men, and it's not. Honestly, I tell you 43 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: the truth, I really wanted to start a brothel, but 44 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of prison, so I never did it. 45 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: But I mean you could do it legal in Vegas, right, 46 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: Vegas is legal, like the word brothel like that. You 47 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: can have a brothel legally in and legally yes. Don't 48 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: you remember the Bunny Farm from Yes? Yes, yes? And 49 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: also that's all that's ill. That reminds me of Magic 50 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: Mike too, where Jada Pinkett ran. It's kind of like 51 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: her version of a brothel for women. Well, it was 52 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: like a stripper thing. I don't know doing it do, 53 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: but I wanted to get a brothel for women fo win. 54 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: I wanted men that did not wear g strings, did 55 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: not wear thigh highs or hoods on their whole penal situation. 56 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: You know what it's called the cocksack. Oh you yes, 57 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: yes I didn't. I'm immediately out, like when I see 58 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: those things, when meet that stuff, I'm out. I'm no 59 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: longer interested. You know. I wanted the guys to have 60 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: like tims and jeans, you know what I mean. I 61 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: wanted them to have on suits. I wanted them to 62 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: have a job. I wanted them to be a doctor. 63 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: You know what they see see they what they this 64 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: is to be their side hustle, I guess, and way 65 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: more for the males than our standards are hired to 66 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: play acter, to play character. Right at the end of 67 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: the night, when all the ladies have watched some dancing 68 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: and had some drinks and all of these things, than 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: the men just get naked and they walk around and 70 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: keep serving drinks and you can pick who you want. 71 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: I thought it would be so nice because there are 72 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: a lot of very well off women that really really 73 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: struggle with finding somebody that they can spend their time 74 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: with because it's a lot of suckers out here. Another time, Wait, 75 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of suckers, and you gotta make sure 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: that nobody's got a camera in the room. You gotta 77 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: make sure, you know, you have to like really really 78 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: look out for yourself where they're not gonna try to 79 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: sneak you one. The next thing you know, you got 80 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: you know you're pregnant or something or sick. You know 81 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right Well, it's like you're basically saying, 82 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to vet these folds. It's hard to know 83 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: you're doing all of that work ahead of time, particularly 84 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: with the socialized sexual and encounter for the Like a 85 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: lot of relationships, it's just a social thing. You serve 86 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: my needs. I say that, you know, the woman says 87 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: what she wants and that's exactly what she gets. If 88 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: she just tender, loving, then that's what she gets. If 89 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: she wants, you know, something rough and aggressive and dominant, 90 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: then that's what she gets. Like, I thought it would 91 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: be such an incredible way to be of service two women. 92 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, are you confirming there is no sick illuminati 93 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood like escort service, because in my mind, I just 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: thought that that that's going on. You would know. I 95 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: don't because I mean, I'm totally in the Illuminati or 96 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: the black loty, whatever y'all call it. There's no service 97 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: for women, and at least in this Hollywood. I don't 98 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: mess with nobody, so I don't know what's going on stations. 99 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm not accusing you. I'm saying, you know, I'm not. No, 100 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: I didn't feel accused. I'm just telling you what it is. 101 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: People do my business. Even if there is, I promise 102 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: you ain't. None of it cared to no Black women 103 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: that much. I do know exist. It ain't for us. 104 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: I wonder, yo, did we just I wonder did we 105 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: find a niche? Do you need a quiet investor? Because 106 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: if they can give massages and stuff, too likely when 107 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: the mama got the but the booty. Well, there was 108 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: a video that was circulating on the internet a while ago. 109 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: There was a man who was doing this like sensual 110 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: massage service and he had like a video that was 111 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: circulating amongst the ladies. Yes, I remember this, and I 112 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, like it wasn't a little much, 113 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: but hey, when wasn't much for you? When when did too? 114 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: What was I don't know, like for me, the look 115 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: of it was awesome, It was like, oh, yes, I 116 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: would love to be touched in that way. But when 117 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: I thought about being touched in that way by somebody 118 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: who I did not know, who I know was also 119 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: touching multiple other people like that, that was when it 120 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: just kind of I lost it. But my thing is 121 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: that's just me, and it's like and also to there's 122 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: like there's a market out there for that. He was married, 123 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: so it's not always because of that. Yeah, when you 124 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: when you just send me from the box that I 125 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: met in your mind, I just I just mean, because 126 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: could you really see any other man touching you? Like 127 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: that anyway, like, regardless of how many that's what I 128 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: just mean. Wait a minute, So you're saying you don't 129 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: get massages. I've gotten a massage, but I've never had 130 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: a massage from a man. Oh that's my favorite. Oh yeah, 131 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 1: I haven't had it. But I wanted a firm grip 132 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: getting deep into the muscle. I really really appreciate that. Well, 133 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: the best deep tissue massage I ever had was a 134 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: white lady. I mean, she was off the chain. I 135 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: don't know where he is. Shout out to Michelle. I 136 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: don't know where you are in the world. I think 137 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: he was Jewish. I'm not sure, but he was a mutant. 138 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: He had pads on the end of his fingers that 139 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: were like that big, no exaggeration, like they were pads. 140 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: And when I tell you we would work together, I would. 141 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: We were a team. I would breathe and he would um. 142 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: I would get in position so that he could get 143 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: into the muscles and he would work those mutant fingers. Honey. 144 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: I left out of there feeling like a gazillion bucks. Okay, 145 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: was it a deep tissue or what Wasn't we made 146 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: it up? Well, I thought we made it up. We 147 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: probably didn't. I thought we made it that I would 148 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: stretch in the way that I needed and he would 149 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: go wherever I needed him to go to work into 150 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: the muscle, so I could be completely specific. He's not 151 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: finding things. I'm showing him exactly. You know where I'm tight, 152 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: you know where there's a is he handsome? He was? 153 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: It was because I mean this, you know, we're talking 154 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: about sex workers. I don't want you to be too 155 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: g on me. I'm like, did he No, no, no, no, no, no, 156 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: no no. I've never had that kind of experience. Let 157 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: me just say this, when we're talking about well, I 158 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: mean I I don't I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't 159 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: want that. First, let me say that I have a 160 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: respect for sex workers and and a fascination that I've 161 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: had since the first time I saw a prostitute on 162 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the street. I was like, what in the world. The 163 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: fact that she could turn off everything that is so 164 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: specifically feminine to me, the sense of smell, the oh, 165 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: the sense of smell. That's a big one for me. 166 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Her desire. She doesn't necessarily desire this, it's a job, 167 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like to be able to 168 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: turn off everything is like you know your your risk. 169 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: Not to say I'm not talking about condoms. I'm talking 170 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: about places. I'm talking about being with somebody that you 171 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: don't know, that you really really do not know at all. 172 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: You don't know the name, you don't know this is 173 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: their car or whatever. You know, you don't know them 174 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: like to turn off all of your It's like turning 175 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: on certain instincts for survival, but turning off all of 176 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: the soft friely ship that we hold on to that 177 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: matters to us. I find that absolutely fascinating. Well, I 178 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: don't know if if they let go of the frillly 179 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: ship more than they have realized. Well this is obviously 180 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: me not knowing speaking from a place of ignorance, but 181 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: just in my opinion, possibly that they are more so 182 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: characterizing and the performance of of femininity quote unquote, because 183 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: just like strippers, and I mean or um dancers, exotic dancers, 184 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: that they have to kind of put on a character 185 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: part of the experience for the person who is, you know, 186 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: trying to be the John or whatever. Is this fantasy 187 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: or this moment where where it's like performative intimacy, you 188 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Where it's not been and not 189 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: say that some people don't even require that, But I'm 190 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: just saying like it depends on who the person is, 191 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean also too, obviously you're talking about 192 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: specific cond of sex worker who's working in the street situation. Yeah, right, right? Rights, interesting, 193 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I never thought about that asia the difference in the 194 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: work that the dancer has to do as opposed to 195 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: an actual and it's not even actual sex. I don't 196 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: even know is it proper to say protitude, Because everybody's 197 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: under a sex worker umbrella, right, like strippers management, anybody 198 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: who works in the sex industry or sex worker paces, right, 199 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: or even people who who do like movies and stuff 200 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: like that, or Yeah, so I guess it's all under 201 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: the same umbrella. But all of it does require some 202 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: compartmentalized right, I mean, it's all going to require that 203 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: on some level. So what Jill is saying is that 204 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: that's pretty freaking fascinating that somebody can actually compartmentalize something 205 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: that's supposed to be so tightly linked with natural emotion 206 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: and feelings and things like that that it becomes transaction. Right, 207 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: But does the dancer have to be more creative than 208 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: the actual person who's doing the sexual act in that way. 209 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: I was just curious, if you think about it, because 210 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: the man who's coming to get the sexual act done 211 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: is that's what it is. It's that's bam bam bam. 212 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: But the dancer who is creating and having to it's 213 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: just it's interesting. It's like I think it's all the 214 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: same because everybody talks about how they's like a lot 215 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: of men and women too. They have conversations with sex 216 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: workers like they sometimes just need to talk. They weren't 217 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: talking to me. They won't talk to me. I've tried. 218 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: I've tried many times over the years. I've tried, offered 219 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: to pay for a conversation, and they will not talk 220 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: to me. I don't understand. How many times have you 221 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: done this? How many times have I tried to talk 222 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: to them? That's that's somebody said, no, yeah, how many 223 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: times that's and I'm sure it's in different cities. That's 224 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: I don't understand that, Joe, I don't know. I haven't 225 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: figured it. I think it's me. They think you are. 226 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: They probably think I am. I'm not. Though I in 227 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: no way mean to minimize the risk, because you can 228 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: absolutely be murdered, and you could absolutely be raped, and 229 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: you can absolutely catch, you know, some horrible disease that 230 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 1: you may or may not be able to cure. Like 231 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: I still find that fascinating that they would take that risk, 232 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, for for money and and get this money, 233 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: and that's the primary focus in gold is to get 234 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: this money. Like wow, Well, I don't know. To me, 235 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: I feel like sex is more often transactional in that 236 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: way and in all forms of life, you know. I 237 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: remember watching the movie Paris Is Burning and how one 238 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: of the women in the movie, one of the trans 239 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: women in the movie, talked about how she would be 240 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: judged for doing sex work, but that women in the suburbs, 241 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: if they wanted to get like a new refrigeration, and 242 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: when they wanted to get something from their husbands, that 243 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: they might sleep with their husbands to coax them into 244 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: doing things that they wanted. And so I think what 245 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: she was trying to say is that sex in our 246 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: culture is quite often very transactional. Because there seems so 247 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: overtly transactional that that doesn't mean that that's not part 248 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: of our overall culture, even down to like marriage. At 249 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: some point when people were like, oh, here's a dowry. 250 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you to be able to have sex 251 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: with this woman to marry her, you know what I'm saying. 252 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: And so all of these things, sex and our relationship 253 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: to one another, you know, really does end up being 254 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: transactional more often than not. I don't know. I've never 255 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: experienced it. Well, I ain't. Nobody never paid me for 256 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: the coup to coup. But I'm just saying I'm not 257 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm not trying. I'm not talking about the part because 258 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: that I mean, I do mean that too, but the 259 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: whole idea of the transaction to get something other than 260 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: my nut, Like I don't know, but well, no, that's 261 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: not something that I've actually done. But I'm just what 262 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: she's talking about. His culture. But we damn sure no 263 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: girlfriends that did. We damn sure have girlfriends that was like, oh, 264 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm just giving something. I know girls that would having 265 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: sex trying to get football players, you know, get a 266 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: baby with a football player. You know. I know, I 267 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: see what you mean. I see what you mean. Nonetheless, 268 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: I just find it fascinating so much so that you know, 269 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time with a lot 270 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: of people, but when I'm on tour, you know, I 271 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: have my my homies, and we'll go and look for 272 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: the hose. We will. It's fascinating to me watching eye contact, 273 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: the whole conversation, you know, between a trick and a 274 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: and a possible you know, lady for the night, that 275 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: brazen nous I find it. I just want to clap. 276 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: They're so bold and so just brazen with it, you know, 277 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: their sexuality, I might get it. Like, I think it's 278 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: fascinating in a world like this society that can be 279 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: so toxic and puritan when it comes to sex and sexuality, 280 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: the fact that they whist all these things away is 281 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. I noticed that I wouldn't assume that 282 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: there are some people who choose absolute who choose who 283 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: would like to do this work and do it. So 284 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I say that that 285 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: there are people who choose that right. But then also 286 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: to the most risky and the most dangerous situations are 287 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: usually inhabited by people who, on the front end of 288 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: them being involved in sex work, have been traumatized or 289 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: somehow isolated from society. And you know, and like talking 290 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: about Paris is Burnie and the idea that even now 291 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: that we're just currently talking about violence against trans women, 292 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: that at inability to find work. If you are a teenager, 293 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: a runaway boom, you can find work because you're you're 294 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: not legally an adult. You're probably a runaway because you 295 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: have dealt with multiple different traumas. If you're a trans person, 296 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: people are going to discriminate against you, so it's hard 297 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: to find work. So a lot of times people who 298 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: get into the most precarious situations around sex work are 299 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: people who are actually not being serviced or traumatized in 300 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: other ways. So some of the brazen behavior not to 301 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: peel back any of the machine from it, but just 302 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: to say and not to say that they aren't also 303 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: very much in touch with their own sexuality, but that 304 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: some of that might just be like an outward coping 305 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: mechanism based being over sexualized for a long period of time. 306 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that everybody is a victim. Oh no, 307 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: I don't either know, but I would like to know 308 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: those numbers, because to be honest, I wouldn't bet against 309 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: It's funny. Well, I love talking to to Heather Hunter 310 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: about the kind of stuff, But actually I remember being 311 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: in a room with her once and interviewing her and 312 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: talking about how she got into the porn industry. But 313 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: it was I was in a room of men, and 314 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: one of my biggest regrets was we asked her the question. 315 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: She said, I was sexually assaulted. The men got weird 316 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: and we moved on because men don't want to see 317 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: that with their porn stars, their sex workers, Like they 318 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: don't want to know the truth. I don't want to 319 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: put it on men. Sometimes I just want to say 320 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: people who enjoyed, I don't want to see those truths. 321 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: But I don't know, y'all. I kind of think that 322 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: the majority is leaning on the something happened, something ma 323 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: right at some point, very possibly. But I will say 324 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: that Vanessa del Rio in her book Fifty Years of 325 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: Slightly Slutty Behavior, she said she knew she was going 326 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: to be a slut when she turned twelve. She was 327 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: absolutely certain of it. And then she went and pursued 328 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: that life. Why but but why and what was her upbringing? 329 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Like like I just need a mother and a father, 330 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: a normal existence. If I'm mistaken, I don't. I really 331 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: don't think I am. But she just wanted the feeling. 332 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: She wanted to be touched. And to this day, you know, 333 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: I think of her as like the goat of feminine sexuality. 334 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: She enjoyed herself, especially a woman of color, right, she 335 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed herself Like I went to the strip club, was 336 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: my first time, and I just found a spot in 337 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: the corner and in the dark so that I could see. 338 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: I'm a writer, you know, I love to see the 339 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: expression on people's faces. I love to see the women 340 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: click into working and click off. I was fascinated by that. 341 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: And some women, some dancers, beguiled and coerced and others 342 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: got straight naked right immediately. Well, I wanted to co 343 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: sign what you were saying was because like my daughter 344 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: told me once that she knew a girl when everybody 345 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: was asked what they wanted to be, she very confidently 346 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: said in a room full of other students that she 347 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be an exotic dancer. Now that's she said. 348 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: She said she wanted to go into into doing that. 349 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: That's not exactly sex work, but you get my v 350 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: and under the umbrella, and so she did say that. 351 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: And I also want to take this moment to acknowledge 352 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: that again, like just to to coastie what you'll said, 353 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: is that there are people who choose the many diverse 354 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: ways that you can be involved in sex work that 355 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: is safe, that is not dangerous. So that's what I 356 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: was thinking of the dangerous part of it. So you're right, yes, 357 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: that are and businesses that are specifically geared towards people 358 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: of color, right and run by people of coach. So 359 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: there's not only just people who to be a part 360 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: of sex work, but people would choose to be a 361 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: part of sex work that is specifically to us as 362 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: a community. Which is why earlier when we talked about 363 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: the gross, I was like, girl, that might be an 364 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: that might be something that's needed that ain't there, you 365 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: know what I mean, sort of service women in that way, right, 366 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm particularly wealthy Black women particularly particularly because we don't 367 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: do no no cheap pos right, can't spend time with 368 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: just any old body, you know, you just unfortunately it 369 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: just can't. That's just sad. I didn't when you said 370 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: that earlier, Ji, I was like, I said another topic, 371 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: because I just that whole topic of women, especially in 372 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: this industry who are excelling of color, and when you 373 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: look at them, a lot of times they are single, 374 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: don't have time to get satisfied. And it's a whole 375 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: sad downward spile if we can't have it all, If 376 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: we can't have it all, m mmmmm, oh damn well, 377 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: damn song is silence? Okay, more conversation after this break. 378 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: I will say I wish that we in this country 379 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, we're still at a pause as far 380 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: as like healthcare and taking care of sexual workers when 381 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: they're like other countries that are really like getting in 382 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: which I'm like, imagine if we could we had a 383 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: health care situation like set up for well, I mean 384 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: usually that happens when it's legal, right, because when it's legal, 385 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: then you have and I'm ba, I wonder if they Okay, yeah, 386 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying well, I mean our country's healthcare is 387 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: is shitty across the board. So I can imagine that 388 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: for any person, and particularly people of color and particularly 389 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: women of color, that you're gonna find a massive sparity 390 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: no matter what their job is, because if you can 391 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: let if you can let Serena Williams almost die and listen, 392 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: we all at risk. Word well, listen, I know we 393 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: all know we already had this where we said that 394 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, we know that a lot of people don't 395 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: choose this life. And for all the women and men 396 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: and uh non binary and everybody else, if you're out 397 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: there and you are selling your body, you know, to 398 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: make a living changes up to you. There are a 399 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: lot of things to do, and I know nothing is 400 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: necessarily easy. I can say, for myself, being exceptionally broke, 401 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: that it never crossed my mind that I work construction, 402 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: that I refurbished furniture, that I was a maid and 403 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: a poet for fifteen dollars a pop. I know that 404 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: we are not, you know, the same people, but there 405 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: are some options that may not make everything great immediately, 406 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: but can get you away from what you don't want 407 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: to do, what doesn't feel right in your soul. And 408 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: to the folks that it feels right in their soul 409 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: and they're good with being sex workers. I just think 410 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: you're fascinating. I cannot relate, but I still find it 411 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: so intriguing that you know how the city is doing 412 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: based on the prostitutes on the street. That's how you 413 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: know in Atlantic City they look like they're trying. They 414 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: got on the bowls, they look like they're trying. It 415 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: is a Tea series. I say, in Vegas for Lawless, 416 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: it's that the whole you know, Vegas is full of imagery. 417 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: And that's how the sex workers there look. They look flawless. 418 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Give me another city, jail. What else we're 419 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: giving them? New York, You're gonna get it raw raw 420 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: it is so it's zero FUNX giving the whole couchie 421 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: out walking the street, high heels, purple wig. What you 422 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: wanna do. That's how you can tell how the city 423 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: is doing. If you're interested in moving to a new place, 424 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: I suggest find out where the prostitute stroll and look. 425 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: Then you'll see how the city is. You'll see how 426 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: the energy of the city is. I believe that all 427 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: changing now. Jail though in a COVID American shoot, well, 428 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: you might be doing some go go fund me for 429 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: your favorite cities like sex workers, Ain't that all? Yeah? 430 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I wonder I want to ask somebody. I see sometimes 431 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram that people are putting their stuff out, like 432 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: all that stuff, like the whole you know vagina on Instagram, 433 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: and yeahs see that sometimes occasionally, And yeah, I want 434 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: to do they make money? Like is that like a 435 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: sex worker? Well, no, they have like something that they 436 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: call like only fans, which is not necessarily like specific 437 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: to sex work, but it is about making money. Yeah, 438 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: they use it in that way. I don't have an 439 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: issue with the way any individual uses their body to 440 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: do whatever it is that they want to do, long 441 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: as they want to do it. But I do have 442 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: a particular issue with the way that as a country 443 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: we just don't support people who are vulnerable and that 444 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: they have to tack up this work because of that 445 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: that that pisces me off any job. Eventually you can 446 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: get good at it, and any job, if you're good 447 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: at it, then you can find some joy and in 448 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: doing it. But I do think that you know, it's 449 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: just indicative when you said, you know how the city 450 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: is doing when you see the hose, A percent agree because, 451 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: like I said, when you start seeing who's vulnerable, right, 452 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: that's my thing, you know, just that that's that's my issue. 453 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: But again, it's bigger than that. Obviously, as black women, 454 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: as mothers, as human beings, we worry about people who 455 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: are vulnerable, But obviously it is bigger than that. And 456 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: I think as a community we gotta think a little 457 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: bit more out of the box about that and understand 458 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: that that it's viable work, and that it's not shameful work, 459 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: and that it does have its place in the world, 460 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: and that you know, it is not new either, oh 461 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: the oldest gig in the world right, and also not 462 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: a place for boys or others when they they're not 463 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: being accepted at home like that. I just don't want 464 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: that to be their first line of defense. That that's 465 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: what I gotta do. Well, the resource has gotta be there. 466 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: I think that it truly is about what people want. 467 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: I think that there's all kinds of colors and all 468 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: kind of flowers in the garden, and there are some 469 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: people that unfortunately, oh God bless you have been damaged 470 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: in some horrible way and this has led you to 471 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: this place that you are. And then there are others 472 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: that absolutely know and are clear sighted and support themselves 473 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: and their families and they love what they do. And 474 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: those are the ones that I'm really talking about, you know, 475 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who make that decision. And although 476 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: I think it's cool, what happens when it's your partner 477 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: that's going to visit a sex worker? How does how 478 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: does the narrative change? You know? Then I would not 479 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: like that because we have made an agreement to only 480 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: be sexual with each other, so that would obviously right, 481 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: that contract and that sense of the word. Then of 482 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: course I would have an issue with it. If that 483 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: wasn't our contract, right, then I would be more concerned 484 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: with are you have more? Yeah, I would have more 485 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: concerned about where you chose to get that service, Like 486 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm hungry and what service? Right, I'm concerned 487 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: about whether or not you went to McDonald's or you 488 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: went you know, like, I don't know. I'm just giving 489 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: let's proved here, you know what I mean. But I 490 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: think I think ultimately we're living in a time period 491 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: where we're more likely to be sexually repressed than not. 492 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: We're more likely to exclude people from whatever society thinks 493 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: is respectable, and so I am trying to shift my 494 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: thinking away from that. So I want more so to 495 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: think about the facts that we would probably benefit from 496 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: being more sexually open as opposed to less. And I'm 497 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: gonna think more about making it easier for people who 498 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: have to make away when they are isolated from quote 499 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: quote societal standards, to make a way for themselves, and 500 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: for that to be absent of shame and judgment. Nothing. 501 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: That's kind of where my head is. Act nothing is easy, right, Yeah, yeah, 502 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna So even if it were my mate, even 503 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: if it were my mate, again, if that was a 504 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: contract we had, I would be trying to or attempting 505 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: to lean more towards the space where I understand that 506 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: he may be sexually repressed, or maybe there's something going 507 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: on that he has to explore about his sexuality. More 508 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: of them that I would feel like he had violated 509 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: me in some way. So I'm just trying to shift 510 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: my thinking from that place. So what I be okay 511 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: with it? No, because that's not my current contract. But 512 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if I had to consider it, I 513 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: would be trying to consider it from that space because 514 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: we're okay with pharmaceutical companies, but we don't like drug 515 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: dealers exactly right, ex I feel like you can get 516 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, I guess we'll call it a word. You 517 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: can get a word from the homeless man on the corner. 518 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: You can get a word from the dental hygenus. You 519 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: can get a word from the drug addict running up 520 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: the street and a singing a song. You know, you 521 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: can get something that can affirm your life, if you 522 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: don't look down on other people or think somebody is 523 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: beneath you or above you for that matter, if you 524 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: keep a gully and realize that there's two sides, three sides, 525 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: false sides, eighteen sides plus to every human being without 526 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: compartmentalizing them and putting people in a box. Yeah, I mean, 527 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of foolishness. It takes a lot 528 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: of the stereotypes off of human beings. We'll be back 529 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: after the break. We get to know what we're doing, 530 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, personally, like and a lot of people's personal 531 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: lives were in their houses a lot, but we don't 532 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: really know what they're doing doing, you know. So remember 533 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: that Instagram and all of this is a show. This 534 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: is a highlight, it's a presentation. It's a highlight reel. 535 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: Like you said, you know, so, when we're speaking out 536 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: or were speaking up rather, I like speaking up. Speaking 537 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: out sounds like it's attacking someone. But speaking up is different. 538 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: You know, when we're speaking up about young women or 539 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: young people that go into the sex field, I just 540 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: want to make sure that we're being balanced. I don't 541 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: and in fact, I don'tly, I don't know if it 542 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: is balanced, and I doubt that very much that it's balance. 543 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are in it because 544 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: they've been damaged, you know, someone has harmed them, you know, 545 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: in a very real way. So I get that. I 546 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: do poise because it just provided a different perspective. People 547 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: don't even understand that that intern can open you up 548 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: into a house and what a house means and what 549 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: a mother means. And I just was like, it's just 550 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: another aspect of life that you everybody needs to be 551 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: aware of that's not necessarily your life. It's the difference 552 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: between artists and entertainers. You know, artists live by this code. 553 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: It's a mandatory presentation of ideas. Entertainers entertained for the 554 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: purpose of entertainment. It's it's not necessarily a spiritual thing. 555 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: It's it's a gig, you know. Like right, So You've 556 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: got some some dancers, some you know, sex workers that 557 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: are doing this thing as it suits them. They were 558 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: born to do it. And then there are others you 559 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: know that trauma. What if, Joe, what if what if 560 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: we went around into some of these different cities. You 561 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: actually asked, like some of these sex workers, like what 562 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: were your dreams? Like? What did you? What was if 563 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: not for this, I would love to I'm telling you, 564 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: I've tried occasions, many different countries, many countries to ask. 565 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've tried. They just don't want to talk 566 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: to me, not in that way. All right, Well let 567 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: me let me roll with you. I didn't worked in 568 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: the strip club. That's how. That's how I got my 569 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: matriculation into this world. I was like, And it's funny 570 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: because when Asia talked about her daughter and her friend 571 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: wanted to be that, I was like, well, I hope 572 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: that she starts slow and a great way to be 573 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: introduced into that world is to actually just be a 574 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: waitress at a strip club. Let me tell you, as 575 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: a young girl, it is something very interesting. How So 576 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: just the education, I mean, you know, I went to 577 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: school in Atlanta, so on, so many level was on 578 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: being eighteen and being in a room and a mega 579 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: megastruct club full of naked women and the things that 580 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: you have to deal with, like there the there's a 581 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: good and the bad. You know, there's a sisterhood element, 582 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: because there is, it's a sisterhood element if you let it. 583 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: But then there's another element of you know, clientele. And 584 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: as a young girl, I was much more revolutionary in 585 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: mind and hella hella, hella hella, more and more and 586 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: more black, if you could imagine it, and it was 587 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: just fascinating to me. I think I got fired once 588 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: because I asked this this black man. I was like, 589 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: what is it that you see in this? What cut 590 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: you that's got you so fascinated? I don't it was. 591 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: I got fired for that because you were supposed to 592 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: do that. What I'm saying is I'm glad that I 593 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: don't know, for some reason as a woman at my age, 594 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: now I'm glad that I did it. It felt like 595 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: a matriculation in a way. I've been to a strip 596 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: club where women were dancing one time, and wow, I 597 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: know and I hate that that is my reality because 598 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: I feel like it fits within the box you expect 599 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: from me. But it's okay. I'll take that because it 600 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: was actually the truth. It's the truth, so I have 601 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: to live in that truth. I have to big box 602 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: for you today. I just want to disclaim her. I 603 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: have a really big box for you. I also it's 604 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: freakings in that box, just so you know. I mean 605 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: here's some other things like okay, as it should be 606 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: should be. I went one time and my husband was 607 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: so mortified because I was like, you know, we should 608 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: go because I've never been. So he's like, well, shoot, 609 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: I guess let's let's go, because you gotta go at 610 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: least one time. So we went and just I couldn't. 611 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: I can't help but befriend women because I love women. 612 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: So when I went in there, I didn't know what 613 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: to do with my damn money. So at that point, 614 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: I was like when the girl was disting, I was like, 615 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: I was like, yes girl, because I didn't know what 616 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: else to say because I was like she was copping. 617 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: So I was like when I congratulate a woman, that's 618 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: how I do. I was like, yes girl, gas you know, 619 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: so go ahead, and I was like I was like, 620 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: oh god, she was like thank you. I was like like, 621 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean that was the that was the exchange that 622 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: we had. So it was just like I just to me, 623 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: it's like anything in life. You go do something and 624 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: you deserve to be able to do whatever it is 625 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: that you feel is for you, and it shouldn't feel 626 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: like there's this wool to it that you have to 627 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: have this kind of behavior. That's when you talked about 628 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: the clientele issue. It's like, I do not like this 629 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: way that we accept abusive behavior or the ways that 630 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: men can men or women can enter into a space 631 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: and take on a characterization that means that now this 632 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: different person in here, and I can treat you differently, 633 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: which is where your sisterhood forms. So that's what I'm saying, Like, 634 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: as far as clientele, it's not the it's not the 635 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: issue or the strip club itself. It's the ways that 636 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: men have decided certain women are to be treated and 637 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: respected or lack their rug. And so it's like, nah, bro, 638 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: if you're a nice guy outside of this freaking door, 639 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: you don't come in here and live out your you know, 640 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: f boy fantasies. You just gotta re lax. But yeah, no, 641 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: you actually, yeah, yeah, it is the point to to 642 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: live out your fantasies in a way, but not to 643 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: be disrespect Your fantasy is toxic. You gotta go. And 644 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: I think that that's fair. I think that not everybody 645 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: can come, you know what I mean, maybe maybe everybody 646 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: can come, but not everybody can stay. You know. Usually 647 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting because the stripper stripper. It's a boss in 648 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: a way as well, right, Like she kind of runs it. 649 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: I remember like being in a situation being a waitress 650 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: at the club and being in a private room. He's 651 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: getting a dance and he puts his hand down my shirt. Right, 652 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: what's her reaction? Her reaction is you gotta pay her 653 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: for that peel off and and book. And that's what 654 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: it was. It's a different governance there. So it was like, yes, 655 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: and babe, here's take this hundred dollars, baby, okay with 656 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: this hundred dollars. Yes, I'm fine. I'll just go, you know, 657 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: doing my emotions in the corner. But yeah, right, right right. 658 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: But and like I said, and under the rules of 659 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: the land where you were, she was like, these are 660 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: the rules, follow them, you know. And so I understand 661 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: her stepping in and saying, look, I'm not here to 662 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: debate whether you are morally correct. What I'm telling you 663 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: is that here are the rules, and she doesn't get paid. 664 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: Is what we need. We need boundaries, We need to 665 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: establish what the rules of engagement are. Period. Is that 666 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: something as a tribunal, as an overall agreement amongst a tribunal, 667 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: Because like I say, you know, people can come, but 668 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: not everybody can stay, not everybody will want to. I'm 669 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: talking about creating rules and boundaries for ship that happens 670 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: in this life. Meaning, if you have somebody who's being 671 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: inappropriate with you, or how you deem is inappropriate, you 672 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: should be able to get your brothers and they should 673 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: come funck him up. Fair. Yeah, let's say you know 674 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: and her group of brothers, and I can't wait to 675 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: see who who these brothers are. You'll never never know, society, 676 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: you'll never know. We need to make them. I just 677 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: think that we should have that as a community. You know, 678 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: have that as as individuals. Do you think that your 679 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: son and your husband ain't gonna go jack somebody up 680 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: if they disrespect you? Always go back to tribunals And 681 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: and I think I think we're probably gonna always go 682 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: back to tribunals because that's what we need as a community. 683 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: We really do. You need a village, some people around 684 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: you that will hold you accountable, that's major, that aren't 685 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: in your family, that will love you, not judge you 686 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: because you're supposed to be in a box, but assist 687 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: you to achieve with the things that you want, and 688 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: also create a form of protection, reciprocity. Hey, hey, this 689 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: is what it is. God darn it. We keep pulling 690 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: ourselves apart. She got straight hair, she got uh good hair, 691 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: she got uh we she got natural hair. She she 692 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: she lights skinned, she dark skin. She we keep pulling 693 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: ourselves apart. She got plastic surgery. She got I mean, 694 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't want anybody that isn't beneficial to the tribunal, 695 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: to the forward movement of the individuals around me and 696 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: the individuals that I touch. I don't want you know 697 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I just want to make sure that 698 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: we always remember to blame who's to blame? We need 699 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: that white supremacy. That's the answer. I got it wrong, still, okay, 700 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we always remember who 701 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: is that fault in public? I say, why people, I'm 702 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: not certain if there was prostitution in Africa at all, 703 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: amongst ourselves, amongst ourselves. I started in wrong. You know 704 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: what I started in wrong? What about the Greeks? Same difference, 705 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: they neighbors, all the same woman and mythology? Right? Yeah, 706 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, that's serious. That that right there is serious. 707 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: She ain't never lying, but that disconnect is real. Because 708 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: if you know, we start talking about that, I don't 709 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: like there wasn't Christians need. So what we're doing it 710 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: has been brilliant. The way that we've been separated, it's 711 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: been brilliant. And then we're still doing the same stuff 712 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 1: and compartment mentalizing other people all the time. You're supposed 713 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: to be like this, You're supposed to be like this. Well, 714 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: this is who you showed us who you were, so 715 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: that's who you have to be for the rest of 716 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: your life. I think that people have forgotten that we're 717 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: all human beings. We're multidimensional. It's not fair. How do 718 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: you eat an elephant? One by? Hi? Hey everyone, it's Eaves. 719 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: A producer on the show, Jill mentioned porn and sexuality 720 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: icon Vanessa del Rio. Her book called Vanessa del Rio 721 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,280 Speaker 1: Fifty Years of Slightly Slutty Behavior chronicles her life through images, stories, 722 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 1: and a DVD documentary. It doesn't seem like the book 723 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: is easy to get and it's pricey where it's available, 724 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: So if that's not accessible to you, you can read 725 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: more about her online, follow her on Twitter, or head 726 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: to her website Vanessa del Rio dot com. Layah also 727 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: recommends the Sex Workers Project of the Urban Justice Center 728 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: based in New York. The organization advocates for the rights 729 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: of sex workers and for policy change, provides legal services 730 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: to sex workers and human trafficking survivors, and offers educational 731 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 1: materials and workshops for sex workers, service providers and organizations. 732 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 1: Even if you're not in New York, you can head 733 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: to their site to learn more about sex work and 734 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: the issues the organ is working on, and you can 735 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: support them or other organizations in your area working to 736 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: decriminalize sex work and advocate for sex workers rights, even 737 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: if that just means donating or amplifying their work on 738 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: social media. You can find more info about the Sex 739 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: Workers Project at s w P dot urban Justice dot org. 740 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: I'll drop links in the episode description. This podcast is 741 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: hosted by Jill Scott, Layah st Clair, and Asia Graden Danceller. 742 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: It's executive producers are Jill Scott, Shawn Gy and Brian Calhoun. 743 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: It's produced by Layah st Clair and me Eve jeph Coke. 744 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: The editing and sound design for this episode we're done 745 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: by Christina Larenger. Yeah, yeah, I think we should also 746 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: mention that Maya Angelo herself was a sex worker at 747 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: one time, and Viola Davis played Fantasia Brino's mother in 748 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: the Fantasia Barrinos story. I don't understand Asia, make that, 749 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: make that, make that work? How to look it up? Asia? 750 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: Looking up? Look it up? How did it connect? It connected? 751 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: And how did it connect that? We look at Viola 752 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: Davis as this incredible, amazing actress, and once upon a 753 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: time she was in a Lifetime story playing Rino's mother. 754 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I order a lot. I don't have 755 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: any judgment in that statement. Okay, we could cut that out, Okay, okay. 756 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:20,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes we go from someplace to get some place, she saying, 757 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: just because that's where we started. So that's where we 758 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: got in that, babe, and I knew you was gonna connected. 759 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, How it all worked out. 760 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: That's what I'm listen to work constraining demolition. My back 761 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: is still not right because of it. What you just 762 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: demolish that metaphor, I'm just saying. J dot Ill is 763 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. 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