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Speaker 1: Mmm, hello friends, I'm Robert Evans and this is again

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. We're doing part two of our series

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Speaker 1: on Keith Ranieri, creator of the Nexium sex cult, child molester,

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Speaker 1: judo champion and humanitarian. My guest for part two, as

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Speaker 1: with part one, is on a Salinas judast comedianist, creative earist.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, thank you for joining me again on thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listing all my official titles. Creative earist

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Speaker 1: is the one that I'm most proud of. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: could tell that from the business cards. Yeah. Uh so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get Are you excited to get back into

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Speaker 1: talking about Keith red deary? I am. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we did all this like homework to get up to

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Speaker 1: the juiciest part. Oh boy, I mean it's been juicy.

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Speaker 1: It's been juicy, but well it's crazy to say it's

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Speaker 1: been tamed because he's been molesting left and right, three women. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's he's sexually assaulted three children, and he's built his call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to know that crazy stuff. It

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Speaker 1: did well buckle up. By two three, over thirty seven

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Speaker 1: people had enrolled in Keith seminars, including some famous Ish people,

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Speaker 1: the co founder of b ET, a former U S

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Speaker 1: Surgeon General, the daughter of one Mexican president, and the

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Speaker 1: son of another for whatever reason, a lot of success

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Speaker 1: with the children of Mexican presidents. Keith Neary was good

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Speaker 1: at that. The young female heirs to the Seagram's vodka

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Speaker 1: well as Steven Cooper, the acting chief executive of Enron.

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Speaker 1: Uh whoa, yeah, it's her huge get. There's some big

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Speaker 1: gets in there. Although two thousand three is not the

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Speaker 1: best year to have the CEO of It's not it's not.

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Speaker 1: But the son and daughter of a Mexican president, two

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Speaker 1: different Mexican presidents, two different ones. Yeah, yeah, one of

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Speaker 1: them is the daughter Vincent A. Fox and the other

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Speaker 1: his name was Selina's. I'm not great, Carlos Selena, Carlos Salinas.

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Speaker 1: I should know that because Selinas is my last name.

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Speaker 1: I know Vincent A. Fox really well, because he has

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Speaker 1: probably the best name of any president. Fantastic name and

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Speaker 1: a vocal antagonist Trump. Yeah, he's He's definitely been a

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Speaker 1: big daughter was in this cult that's huge. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: so I want to be fair to the people who

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Speaker 1: remembers this. When I say that these were enrolled in

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Speaker 1: his seminars, This isn't the same as like being a

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Speaker 1: scientologist or in the Heaven's Gate. These people are spending

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. They probably think Keith's great. They

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Speaker 1: may have bought into some aspects of it, but they're

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Speaker 1: not worshiping anything, like they're paying into his money schemes.

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Speaker 1: So some of these people, like the heirs to the

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Speaker 1: Seagram's vodka fortune, this couple of these two sisters, are

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Speaker 1: definitely in the cult full on. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's the case with all of these people, And in fact,

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Speaker 1: I think for most of them they just treated it

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Speaker 1: like a professional development thing and they had money to burn, right,

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Speaker 1: they had money to burn. That's still so wild. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like he was he was normalized. Yeah, yeah, and he was.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have like you'll notice, there's that huge numbers

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Speaker 1: seminars at the Max. But they're paying a lot of

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Speaker 1: over again. Um, because that's something he insists, is that

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Speaker 1: like if you you got to retake the classes. A

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Speaker 1: it does sound like UCB and that sounds uncomfortably similar

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Speaker 1: to the Upright Citizens Brigade approach to improv comedy. Well

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Speaker 1: what that's what that was co created by? Um? Was

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Speaker 1: the lady on thirty Rock a polar? Okay, so maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll do an Amy polar episode. Oh god, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be responsible for throwing any pol or under

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Speaker 1: the bus. But if you find something. The next time

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you need to know about whether

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Speaker 1: or not she's starting a cult. I will if she

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Speaker 1: puts out her right foot and then immediately makes a

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Speaker 1: I remember. Yeah, though, there's so much to keep track

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Speaker 1: of with a handshake kindlines tilted wrist, Yeah that the

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Speaker 1: two three Keith nar he's doing great. That is the

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Speaker 1: same year that a reporter from Forbes asked to interview him.

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Speaker 1: the sort of thing he would make up. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the sort of thing he would lie about shamelessly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Keith and Nexingum, the article that ran in

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Speaker 1: October two thousand three, titled Cult of Personality was not

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Speaker 1: positive towards Forbes. Unfortunately for Keith, were actual journalists, and

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Speaker 1: the boy's father. This woman, Tony F. Natalie, told Forbes

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Speaker 1: that she believed Ranieri brainwashed her, telling her that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the course of history. Um. Now, Rainey called this claim

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Speaker 1: ridiculous and not rational, which it's certainly not rational. But

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Speaker 1: I'm a hundred percent sure he made this claim Nerve

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Speaker 1: based on some stuff that's going to happen next. Spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: this is not the last time we're gonna hear about

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Speaker 1: Keith Ranary trying to steal a baby. No, it really

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Speaker 1: has been building in craziness because first she was like, well,

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Speaker 1: what if I just like have sex with kids. Now

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Speaker 1: make my own child. Who's going to alter the course

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Speaker 1: of history? Yeah? Oh wow? So I mean Forbes runs

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Speaker 1: everything that's in the story at this point when Forbes

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Speaker 1: Ranieri and they say, these are the allegations someone's making,

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Speaker 1: and he refutes it. Um So, the author of the

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Speaker 1: Forbes article did spend a lot of time talking to Keith.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that Ranieri really played up the enigmatic guru

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Speaker 1: he has no bank account and that he foregoes any

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Speaker 1: salary from the four million a year coaching program he created.

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Speaker 1: I consider everything payment for what I've done. Though he

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Speaker 1: disarmingly charming smile. I think that's probably fair. And you

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Speaker 1: some more later. This is what he's good at. Got

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Speaker 1: just pointing out Keith's good at being charming. He's good, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe that whole Jesus. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: I misunderstood. So the Forbes article brought more insights into

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Speaker 1: Keith Ranieries view of the world. Uh. It revealed that

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Speaker 1: Edgar Bronfman, Sr. Former head of the Seagram's company and

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Speaker 1: being the two big whales of Keith Naris con Man life,

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Speaker 1: pages we're about Yeah. Uh ESP next, SAME's particular line

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Speaker 1: Keith was a big Line Rand fan, so his philosophy

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Speaker 1: So yeah, similar to u c B. U c B

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Speaker 1: It was the first thing that I had earned on

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Speaker 1: to end Momi any amount of money. She has so

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Speaker 1: many sashes for you. Yeah, filthy with I'll make a sash.

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Speaker 1: I'll get one on Etsy. It will be hand embroidered.

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Speaker 1: long term followers, Keith Nari, apparently decided to make the

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Speaker 1: boy his heir, and in accordance to his theories on

425
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: child development, the boy was fed a raw diet, isolated

426
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: from other children, and cared for by a team of

427
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Speaker 1: five Nanni's who each spoke to him in a different language.

428
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Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, no, no, no, no, this is is

429
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Speaker 1: his kid. Okay, he's not with Keith anymore. I don't

430
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: know if he's okay. I mean yeah, I mean he

431
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: was three, so you gotta hope he can. So Frank Parlato,

432
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: if you remember Frank from the Frank Report, I remember Frank,

433
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: good old Frank good Old Frank so wrote an article

434
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: for the Niagara Falls Reporter where he claimed to know

435
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: that Galen was actually just the child of Keith Reniery

436
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: and a woman named Christine Keith, who was the long

437
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: term follower who was caring for the kid. According to Frank,

438
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: the adoption story was necessary because number one, it added

439
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: like a layer of mystique that this child's real parents

440
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: died Keith took him under his wing, but also because

441
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: Keith's followers believed him to be celibate. Um oh yeah,

442
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: so do you believe that it was his real son?

443
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no way to figure that out.

444
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: That's a very um journalistic response. Yeah, Now, I am

445
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: not a journalist. I'm going to go ahead and make

446
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: some wild speculative claims. Roll with it. I think he

447
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: was having all kinds of sex. I think he definitely

448
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: gave birth to this sun. But I also bet there

449
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: was a lot of like group sex going on and

450
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: mixing of partners, because that happens in cults. So like

451
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't even his son. Is probably unclear. But

452
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Speaker 1: see I don't think that. And we'll get into a

453
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: little but I definitely there was a lot of groups

454
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Speaker 1: that's going on. I don't think Keith was letting any

455
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: other men be involved in the group sex. This isn't

456
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: like one of those cults where everybody's got free love.

457
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: That's a good point, is yes, this is that kind

458
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Speaker 1: of call. Uh, So here's a quote from Frank Parletta,

459
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Speaker 1: who again was a member of Nexium for like a

460
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Speaker 1: year or two. Um quote. Some of his inner circle

461
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: knew he wasn't celibate because they'd had sexual relations with him.

462
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: They knew he wasn't celibate, and they believed he would

463
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Speaker 1: when the time was ripe, have a special child with

464
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Speaker 1: a chosen woman who he had preordained would be the

465
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Speaker 1: mother of a child who would carry on Raine's work

466
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Speaker 1: to save the world. Uh. Frank alleges that, you know,

467
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: Keith getting uh this woman pregnant was an accident, and

468
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: she wasn't someone he viewed as special enough to be

469
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Speaker 1: his Mary Magdalen or no, not Magdalen. What's the Mary

470
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: that had Jesus virgin Mary, that's the Mary. Uh. Frank

471
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: of the Frank Report says that he didn't want to

472
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Speaker 1: get this one pregnant, and so he just told her

473
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Speaker 1: to lie and say the real mother was someone else

474
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Speaker 1: who died. Uh. Quote from Frank Rainey immediately required Keith

475
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Speaker 1: to lie about her maternity. He helped her hide her pregnancy,

476
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and being thin, she hardly showed for months. When her

477
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: pregnancy became visible, he told people she was severely ill

478
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: and could not be seen. Um again, Frank Parlato is

479
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: a guy with a real grudge against Keith Nari and Nexium.

480
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: I also believe a dent of that. I believe of that.

481
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: It jells with everything else we know about. The more

482
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: we hear about Frank, the more we hear from the

483
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Frank Report, the more I like this guy. You're a

484
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: fan of the Frank Report. Yeah, he also stole a

485
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: million dollars maybe from the Bronchman sisters. They sued him

486
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: over it. It's hard to say what happened. I really

487
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: I didn't. There's so much to dig in here. I

488
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't get into that that much. No, and I don't.

489
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: It seems like they were just giving away money. Girls

490
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: are given it away. They've got tens of thousands of

491
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying numbers and got enough. He may have

492
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Speaker 1: been innocent of this. I really have no idea what happened.

493
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I didn't look into the case. I'm still pro Frank.

494
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: If you're out there, UH, tweet at me, let me

495
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: know your side of the million dollar story. You can

496
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: read his side on the Frank Report. There are literally

497
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: hundreds of articles on that plain text website. No, No,

498
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: this isn't the planet that was the weird i Q website.

499
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: I had to do a lot of strange digging for this.

500
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: Frank's website looks like a website that an individual person

501
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: would make to settle a grudge. But it is just

502
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: articles about Nexium and Keith Ranieri in the bronxans. Yeah,

503
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: it's like he copied a real looking website. It's something else.

504
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: Put the name Frank in the Yeah, it's something else. Um,

505
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's lying about this. This seems

506
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: completely in line with everything else about Keith Raniary, including

507
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: the fact this woman he got pregnant was normally dangerously thin.

508
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which will get Yeah that he really likes that.

509
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: So eventually Keith left the cult and took her son

510
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: with her, So we will never know how well Keith

511
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: Ranieri is remarkable child reading strategies actually worked. I hope

512
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: nothing but the best for that poor kid. Wow. Yeah,

513
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: that kid has scars. I hope his mom got the

514
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: matter early enough that maybe he doesn't have Especially the

515
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: mom left so she probably kind of woke up. Yeah.

516
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to say woke up because I'm like

517
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: my victim blaming, but I'm not. She got out and

518
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want to be blaming her any

519
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: other women in this story, except maybe Allison mac oh.

520
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: I want to blame her hard. Yeah. First I want

521
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: to know everything she did. Yeah, this woman just seems

522
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: like she got caught in for a while and then

523
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: she woke up and got her kid the hell out

524
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: of there, which is the responsible thing to do. That

525
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: is so good on you, miss Keith or Kefie. It's

526
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: k E F F E, which is I've never seen

527
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: that last name before, so I'm just gonna say Keith

528
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: um now. In spite of the mixed press coverage Nexium received,

529
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: it was a big financial success, and Keith made millions,

530
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: mostly from grifting his wealthiest adherents. He wasn't the kind

531
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: of man to sit on his laurels, though. Over the years,

532
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: a number of different spinoff groups joined Nexium's executive success programs.

533
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: The nearest and dearest to Keith's heart and his other

534
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: parts was the Woman's group Janesse j N E S

535
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: S usually all caps. So what is Jeness exactly? I

536
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: can see that question on your face on it. Yeah,

537
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: it sounds like a birth control pill. It does sound

538
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: like a birth control pill like tines stops the babies

539
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: real fast. That's how all birth control commercials do sound.

540
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: Tell us about Janette. Yeah, let's talk about Janess. Uh, well,

541
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll let Janesse themselves explain what they are.

542
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Our Jenness is our highly

543
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: personal version of being a woman. It is an affirmation

544
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: of our independent life journey with its lessons, tragedies, and magnificence.

545
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: No two women are the same. Each of us has

546
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: a unique, powerful, self secret formed from our experiences in life.

547
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: No one said of words can quite quantify us, and

548
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: no collection of rules can categorize us. Janesse in general

549
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: is the personal work of empowered women in this world.

550
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: You got a clear idea of what is Yeah, yeah,

551
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: really because that seems like nonsense. It's nonsense, but I

552
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: can sort of like imagine them writing that up, you

553
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like they're all sort of gathering around,

554
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: they've they've ordered food, probably Italian food from like a corrabas, uh,

555
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh yeah, but oh yeah, we we

556
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: uplift each other. I I feel guilty making fun of

557
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: this women's group. I don't think any woman wrote any

558
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: word of that statement. I think this is all Keith Ray,

559
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: but I don't know. We'll see, we'll get into this. Oh,

560
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: I have so many questions. That's my theory. I really

561
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: have no idea. Um, oh, it's his HiT's his trademark,

562
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: vague style, and there's some other stuff that makes me

563
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: think if he maybe he had some input from some

564
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: ladies on this, but he definitely exercised a strong editorial hand.

565
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: I think, Um, because Keith he's a control freak. Yeah,

566
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: that's true. I was going to say, well, who knows,

567
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe he had some right hand women, uh speaking like him,

568
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: imitating his voice. But well, the Jenness website gives the

569
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: whole story of how Janness was conceived of and founded.

570
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: And I would be doing you on a and the

571
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: whole internetitive service if I didn't read this story in

572
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: its entirety. So take a moment to think about some

573
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: of the most meaningful needs of society. From your perspective,

574
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: is one of those needs world hunger, or possibly more pressing,

575
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: is the issue of abuse of power and government, or

576
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: maybe even more important, is a war in a foreign country.

577
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Or you might focus upon difficulties closer to home, such

578
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: as the lack of community in your community, or possibly

579
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: some type of social prejudice, or for some just the

580
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: simple lack of carrying amongst friends and neighbors as most disturbing.

581
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: There are many, many other equally important challenges in the world,

582
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: but what is a primary concern is which issues are

583
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: more important to you directly personally. On a spring day

584
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand six, in a car driving down the highway,

585
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: this was the topic of discussion among three dearest friends, Pam, Marianna,

586
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: and Keith Keith authored Keith offered an expertise and educational

587
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: methodology along with a body of knowledge relating to the

588
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: human dynamic. The most essential thing for Pam and Marianna

589
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: was their struggles as women in a world where women's

590
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: values are distorted. Over the next few days, the initial

591
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: codification for a new method of gender transformation JANESS was

592
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: born from the loving intent of three people who desire

593
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to create something meaningful together to make the world a

594
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: better place. Wow Wow, Indeed the beginning sounds like a

595
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: Miss America pageant answer, because it's like it's what it's

596
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: if you asked someone who hasn't read the news ever

597
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: in their life. What are problems in the world to

598
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: be like, there's war in places, government, bad people not

599
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: talking talking. Yeah, it's just so yeah, like there's actual

600
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: war as you could drop like the actual problems in

601
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: the world that you could be specific about to like

602
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: make this seem a little bit less like a moon

603
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: man wrote it. I think that Keith fancies himself a

604
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: bit of a poet. Yeah, I think he thinks he

605
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: has a writer early literary touch to his work. Why

606
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: else would he paint such a vivid picture like on

607
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: a spring day and driving down the highway. I really

608
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: saw it. I saw the scene unfolding. I felt like

609
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I was there. I felt like I was one of

610
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: these two generically named women um and being enchanted by

611
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: his new methodology of generality. Well, what I love is

612
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: that the creation of this woman's group. What the two

613
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: women bring to the table is their struggles as women,

614
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: And what Keith says he brings to the table is knowledge. Yeah,

615
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: he's there's one thing he's good at, and it's man's blaming.

616
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: He is the embodiment of it. He is. But what

617
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: did what did this group do? We'll let me man

618
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: explain that for you. It's not man splaining if I'm

619
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: inviting it. I know, well do I do you? I

620
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't even know myself until I said that.

621
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just felt really guilty after this

622
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: paragraph that I'm about to read another six pages. Oh no, um, so,

623
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: I bet you're probably still curious as to what exactly

624
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Janesse does. It feels very foreboding. Yeah, well, I think

625
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: what Janess is is Keith believing he invented the concept

626
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: of women having friends. Uh so, I'm going to quote

627
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: to you again from the website Janet's Friendships. At the

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00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: foundation of this movement, women start their journey with Janessee

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Speaker 1: by attending an introductory weekend. The weekend is two and

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Speaker 1: a half days packed full of powerful and engaging curriculum.

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Speaker 1: At the close of the weekend, your weekend facilitator will

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Speaker 1: guide women in the process of joining or creating a

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00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: new friendship. So at the end of my seminar, you

634
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Speaker 1: will make friends. You'll know how to have friends. Wow, yeah,

635
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, I get it. He spent his career up

636
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: until this point pitting women against each other. To some degree,

637
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like, um like isolating them and brainwashing them

638
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: and having sex with them when they were children. When

639
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: they were children, So yeah, he's probably like, you know what,

640
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: now it's time for me to allow them to be friends.

641
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: And Janessee had a lot of powerful positive impacts and

642
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: a lot of women, which I know because there are

643
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: testimonials on the Jenness' website, like this one from Marissa Zaragoza.

644
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: Since I was little, I remember my goal was to

645
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: be like my father. He is an engineer. So when

646
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: the time came to pick a profession, that path was

647
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: natural to me. There I was graduating on electrical engineering

648
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: on a last where only eight percent were women. I

649
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: learned to work with men and among men, always competing

650
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to demonstrate my abilities and earn their approval. Years past,

651
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: I decided to get married and create a family. I

652
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: understood that those developed abilities were not enough for my

653
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: new role as a mother. I decided to disguise my incapacity,

654
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: covering it up with my professional success and depriving myself

655
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: of enjoying the first years of my two children. When

656
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: I met Janess, I started a journey to make amends

657
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: with myself. With a sensible and motherly woman within me,

658
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: I stopped trying to run away from myself and built

659
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: the strength to face my fears, evaluate and surrender to

660
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: my true passion, which is having kids and not a career.

661
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: A woman didn't write that, no, Like I think Keith

662
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: Rawnery wrote basically all of this. Yes, yeah, definitely. Yeah.

663
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: That sounds like Keith Renari pretending to be a woman

664
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: in Mexico. Uh this feels relevant to Handmaid's Tale. Oh yeah, yeah,

665
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to create a Handmaid's Tale right,

666
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: because in his worldview, everyone has an amazing potential and

667
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: should be fabulously wealthy. But also women's main calling is

668
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: to have children. Well, his children were about to get

669
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: into that right now. So in the actual sessions themselves,

670
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: Near re posited some pretty radical theories on gender. He

671
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: believes men are unable to enjoy the world with as

672
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: much depth and complexity as women, but men know the

673
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: difference between right and wrong. Women lead rich lives, but

674
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: they're prone to tantrums and using bad behavior to get

675
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: what they want. According to Keith, men are naturally polyamorous,

676
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: while women are naturally monogamous. If you're keeping track, that's

677
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: just polygamy. Wow, man, I was giving him so much credit.

678
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: He's such a bad person, but I was truly giving

679
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: him credit. I was like, at least he's still hanging

680
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: onto this pseudo intellectualism. But he, uh, come on. That's

681
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: why I don't think anyone else at the Orgies that

682
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: was a man was getting involved. Oh, they definitely were

683
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: there men, But there were men, and there was a

684
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: men's group. I don't even talk about the men's up

685
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: in this because there was just so much it to

686
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: talk about. There was a men's group. He was bilking

687
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: men out of money, but it doesn't seem like it

688
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: was nearly as abusive to the men. Women. Well, I

689
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: can't say I disagree with him. I mean, I know

690
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: that I myself am prone to emotional outbursts and tantrums,

691
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: and all the men in my life are steady hands

692
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: of guidance. If there's one thing the last couple of

693
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: years have taught us, it's that men always know the

694
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: difference between right and wrong. Yeah, yeah, I would say

695
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: the last year. That's really the message of this podcast too,

696
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: is that men know the difference between right and wrong,

697
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: and women need help, and women need help and also

698
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: be polygamists, but don't call it that, but only if

699
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: you're a man everyone, but women aren't. Yeah, all right, Um,

700
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: we have to break for some ads. When we get back, though,

701
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: we're finally going to get Alison Mac small Bill start.

702
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know it took a while, right, it

703
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: really did. Yeah, now we're ready to get into that.

704
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: So all that and more after we talk about products

705
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Speaker 1: which are available for purchase. We're back. The podcast is back.

706
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Everyone's okay. It's been an emotional roller coaster. It's caused

707
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: me to question my own, um potential involvement in cults. Uh.

708
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: But one thing I can say for certain, I am

709
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: so excited to hear what Alison Mac did. Boy. So,

710
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Alison Mac small Fille actress, presumably actress on other things,

711
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: but everyone just says, I'm tempted to say, no real

712
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: other credits. I have no idea. She was definitely on

713
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: small Bill. She was such a big character on small Ville.

714
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: But then she never did anything else, And now I

715
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: know why. Well, she started attending Nexium sessions in two

716
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: thousand seven once her career hit a plateau. Keith apparently

717
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: took an interest in her. She begged him to quote,

718
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: make me a great actress again. Uh, okay, okay, I

719
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd say she was ever great. Look,

720
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: the standout on small Ville was Amy Adams. I don't

721
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: know who Amy Adams is either. Oh my gosh, really

722
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm super pop culture ignorant. She is a rival. Oh

723
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: that's a great movie. Yeah, she was scientist Okay, Yeah,

724
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: she's really good. Um, she's phenomenal. And she was on

725
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: an episode of small Ville and played this like crazy

726
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: monstrous person who like desperately wanted to lose weight. So

727
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: she drank something or something that was an accident and

728
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: then she started losing weight, but had an insatiable appetite

729
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: that eventually causes her to eat people. Um. I do

730
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: want to set the record straight. Okay. Alison mac has

731
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: had other credits, unfortunately, quite a few good ones. She

732
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: was on Wilfred Oh Ship, that's a great show. Yeah,

733
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: the following another good show. Other things. I don't know.

734
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: She's been She's had a solid career. Yeah, like she was,

735
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: she was on her way, for sure. She was on

736
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: her way. So she joins Nexium, gets really involved with Nexium.

737
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: She wound up helping to start a subcult within Geness

738
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: called Dominus obsequious Sororium or doss, which I think means

739
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: master over submissives and master in Latin. Dominus in Latin

740
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: is like a masculine. The masculine version of that word

741
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: would be the feminine. So yeah, it's like at this

742
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: point they're not trying to fight the creepiness, their wholeheartedly

743
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: embracing it. Some Yeah, yeah, let's cut straight to the point.

744
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: Has anything good ever come from the Latin language? No?

745
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: Moving on, so this little subcult deep Doss, is anything

746
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: good ever come from Doss? No? The band Doss, okay, fair,

747
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: one good thing, but not the computer thing. I don't

748
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. So no, I don't even

749
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: really know what I'm talking about. Uh So, this subcult

750
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: eventually consisted of around a hundred and fifty women who

751
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: were sort of the elite lady cult members of Nexium.

752
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: The New York Times revealed how it all worked in

753
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: an interview with Mac Quote, the woman who invited you

754
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: to the group was your master, Max said, tucking in

755
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: her blue socked feet under her, or the representation of

756
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: your conscience. You're higher self. Your most ideal masters would

757
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 1: help slaves count calories to save them from the trap

758
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: of emotional eating. According to other women in the group. Again,

759
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: Keith three neared, that's always a big focus on women

760
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: being thin. Oh no, there's so much wrong with this. Yeah,

761
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: masters would dictate an act of self denial, like cold showers,

762
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: a rousing yourself from bed at four am, and standing

763
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: stock still for a time. Slaves were told to do

764
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: acts of care for masters, perhaps bringing them coffee. Slaves

765
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: might be told to abstain from orgasms, ostensibly to heal

766
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: their negative sexual patterns. Max said that this was about

767
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: devotion and like any spiritual practice or religion, I thought

768
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: about free will. Did she believe in that? She said,

769
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: you're dedicating your life one way or another. So Alice

770
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: and Mac why did they have to Why did it

771
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: have to go to orgasm denial? I don't know, Like

772
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: they already have the creepy Latin name. Now they're like,

773
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: let's just call it slaves and masters, and wow, this

774
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: is so bad. Yeah, it's it's gotten really bad, real fast.

775
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's been bad the whole time. And just

776
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: what r Kelly sex call was like, are you guys

777
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: going to do them? I mean I should at some point.

778
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: I have not done any research into that. I've read

779
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: like one article about Yeah, I mean if this is

780
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: what a sex call is, like, this is definitely a

781
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: sex call at this point. Um, also abstained from orgasm.

782
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that is such a small piece of

783
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: whatever was going on in that situation. Yeah, that's not

784
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: the only creepy orgasm based rule. If there's one creepy

785
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: orgasm based rule in a cult, there's a lot of

786
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: feel like that's a cut rule. Yeah. Yeah, uh, it's

787
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: a sub category, there's it sprawls out. Yeah, there was

788
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: like a fucking list. Yeah yeah. Um. Extreme weight loss

789
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: was encouraged within Dows, especially for the women Raney fancied.

790
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Here's the ap quote. Investigators said Rainey preferred exceptionally thin women,

791
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: so slaves had to stick to very low calorie diets

792
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: and document every food they ate. As punishment for not

793
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: following orders, women were forced to attend classes where they

794
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: were forced to wear fake cow utters over their breast

795
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: while people called them derogatory names or threatened with being

796
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: put in cages. Oh my god. This is around the

797
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: same time. He's also hooking women's heads up to brain

798
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: scanners and showing them video of women being cut apart.

799
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Yeah, it's real messed up. Now, Raineery

800
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: only acknowledged having sexual relationships with two members of e

801
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: O S or DOSS or whatever. Um. This is like

802
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: he acknowledged in the New York Times, like he did

803
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: this miacole where like, yeah, I've been bad, but you

804
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: know it was it was like it was not like

805
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: really bad. It was just like like I couldn't control

806
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: myself and they cared about me so much, right, I Oh,

807
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. Is he a sociopath?

808
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: He might be. Usually I'm I really hesitant to call

809
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: people associate. I don't know, because it's a right, it's

810
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: a but it's a real thing. And he certainly that

811
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: would be a thing to check on if you were

812
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist working on Keith Rawnary. He's certainly there's some

813
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: morning signs here, yea or maybe just a narcissist definitely

814
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: to accept no responsibility like that. But the cow waters, Yeah,

815
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: the cow wathers like that. So the women were in

816
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: a state of starvation, yeah, so already a deeply altered

817
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: state and then being fed those images. Yeah, they had

818
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: lost their minds. Yeah. In interviews with other members of

819
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: the of DOST, the New York Times reported that quote

820
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: promising to seduce Ranieri, which was apparently the way he

821
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: preferred to be approached sexually rather than putting himself on

822
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: the line, was also one of the ways some women

823
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: later said they were told to show commitment to the sisterhood.

824
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: So at some point, the women of d Os started

825
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: branding each other with hot metal pokers, possibly in the

826
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: shape of Keithrewni's initials. The branding sessions would last thirty

827
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: to forty five minutes and where apparently as painful as

828
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: you would imagine a forty five minute branding session would be.

829
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: What do you do for forty five minutes? You're in

830
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: horrible pain? Like my understanding of branding as it relates

831
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: to livestock is it's like I've never branded cattle, neither

832
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: of I. But I don't know if it's fast and

833
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: thought about it. You think a lot about that. I

834
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: think a lot about it. No, I mean, I've I'm

835
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: a vegetarian. I've thought about things we do to animals,

836
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: and branding always seemed weird. It doesn't seem like a

837
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: nice thing. I think they usually do a chip now anyway,

838
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: that sounds much worse. Really, I don't know. I think

839
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: the cows prefer the chip. Yeah, they prefer not being

840
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: eaten probably, who knows. Yeah, I don't though I don't

841
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: eat them, but who knows? Yeah? Um so, the forty

842
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: five minutes of having a fucking hot metal poker shoved

843
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: into your skin until it burns you horribly. There's pictures

844
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: in the New York Times article of one of these

845
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: women's brands. It definitely looks like it's Keith Nari's initials.

846
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: What else would it be? What are they claiming? I

847
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I haven't heard a direct claim for what

848
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: the branding symbolically. At that point, it's like, why are

849
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: you even denying it? Yeah? I mean Alison Mac says

850
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: that she came up with it because basically she thought

851
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: a tattoo wasn't enough of a commitment. Which, oh, I'm

852
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: looking at the image, hold on, and it's a big

853
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: brand like you again, the pictures are online, you look

854
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: at them. These are not like a tiny it's not

855
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: getting a little bitty tattoo or whatever, like this is

856
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: a substantial thing to have, deeply painful, yeah, agonizing. Um so,

857
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: Alison Mac again says that she came up with the

858
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: idea herself. Here's another quote from the New York Times article.

859
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: It was a scary experience, like any real rite of passage.

860
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: But some of them kidded around through it, even if

861
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: they cried when they were getting the brand, even if

862
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: they wore surgical masks to help them with breathing in

863
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: the smell of burning flesh, even if the brand was

864
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: much larger than they were told it would be and

865
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: looked like an ancient hieroglyph, Even if they were in

866
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: a state of sheer terror, they were still able to

867
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: transcend the fear and cry out to one another, badass

868
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: warrior bitches, let's get strong together. Who Yeah, it's like

869
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: they're using pop feminists are jargon to validate the most

870
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: degrading to humanizing practice. We're badasses because we're going to

871
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: get this man's initials branded onto our crotches. To seventeen,

872
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: I think, is when this has happened. Okay, this is

873
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: two seventeen UM. So now that paragraph right there makes

874
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: me think back to a quote in those Nextican Packets

875
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: from two thousand three, where Keith Renary wrote that complaining

876
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: about pain or expressing hunger were both examples of parasitic behavior.

877
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: His specific example of the parasitic statement was the sentence

878
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: I know I promised, but I had no idea how

879
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: hard or painful this was going to be. So what's

880
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: interesting is Alison mack was seemingly like a crazy person

881
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: who by serendipity, came into contact with this already insane

882
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: group and then was able to like enact her craziness

883
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: through it. But is there more to the story. I mean,

884
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: there's no definitive answer on that. It is possible that

885
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: Alison mac just was a looney person who had her

886
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: leoninus opened up by this. I don't think she came

887
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: up with a branding idea. I think she's dedicated to

888
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: Keith R. Neary and he told her to say that

889
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: it was her idea. I feel like it's the kind

890
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: of thing Keith Earie would do. She's drinking, she has

891
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: hugged the kool aid. She's but jugging the kool aid

892
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: at the point like she's she's saying yea um. But

893
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: I don't think she came up with this idea. When

894
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: you look at the pictures and stuff of her most

895
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: recently being led into court, like her lawyers are holding

896
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: her up she can barely walk. She's so scared. She's

897
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: culpable to an extent because she helped do some bad

898
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: things here. But I also think she's more of a

899
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: victim of Keith Rinieri than anything else. That's that's my thinking.

900
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: I may be being too charitable here, But that's interesting

901
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: because all this time I had been sort of thinking,

902
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: it really goes to show you that women can be horrible.

903
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: She definitely did, because I think she was active in

904
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: this um. But yeah, I can see how she was

905
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: brainwashed by especially I mean, actresses are already so primed

906
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: to be um obsessed about their weight in a way

907
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 1: that's already I think, making them kind of insane. Yeah, um,

908
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'll went in to something. I mean, especially living

909
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: in l A. I like, I get some of that.

910
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking dude. Yeah, it's crazy the images we

911
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: receive coupled with the messages. Um, I can see her

912
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: being a victim to him. She's definitely both a victim

913
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: and a perpetrator. Yeah, but what's going to happen to her,

914
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: We don't know. We are now into the stuff that

915
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Keith Nari is most famous for, the stuff that the

916
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: most recent new York Times articles talked about Keith and

917
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Alison Mack had both been charged with sex trafficking. Oh right,

918
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: this is the headline that made its way to This

919
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: is the headline that made its way to you. But

920
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: before everything fell apart, before the New York Times articles,

921
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Keith Reniery used Allison's legit actresshood to help him produce

922
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: ads for his seminars. Here's one she put together for

923
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: ESP in two thousand fourteen. When I first came to ESP,

924
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: I had, on the surface is something that seemed to

925
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: be like the perfect life for a pretty good life,

926
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 1: like superficially materialistically, I was very successful. I had the job,

927
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: I had the dog, I had the car, I had

928
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: the boyfriend, I had the blah blah blah blah blah

929
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, the clothes, everything that I thought

930
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: I needed in order to be okay. And yet I

931
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: couldn't stand to be with my family for more than

932
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: two hours at a time. And the idea of being

933
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: honest with even my best friend was something that was

934
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: so far outside the realm of possibility that I just

935
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of thought, you always lived your life in authentically, um,

936
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: And when I came to ESP and I started to

937
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: do the work in the goals lab, do the work

938
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: in the classes. I started to transform in a way

939
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: that I never expected. Like I literally didn't know that

940
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: you could spend time with someone and not be nervous.

941
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: I literally didn't know that it was possible to have

942
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: a week with your family where you didn't feel like leaving.

943
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: I just thought that that wasn't really possible. I thought

944
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: it happened in the movies. And now that's my life,

945
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: that's my reality. I have an experience of my only

946
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: that is nothing but joy, and it's it's astounding. So

947
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: that's her ad for executive success programs. And I tell you,

948
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: when you read it on paper, it sounds so crazy,

949
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: especially if I read it to you. Yeah, and so evil.

950
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: But she too, like seasoned actress that she is. She's good.

951
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: You feel it, I mean, and she's making it feel relatable. Um.

952
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: But to know that that is the woman who was

953
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: leading branding fashion, even if it wasn't her idea. Oh

954
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: my god, people are wearing masks because the stinch of

955
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: burning human flesh is so thick in the air. She

956
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: willingly gave those details. I don't think she gave the details.

957
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: I think it was other women who had been branded

958
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: who talked about how awful it was. But she willingly

959
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: admitted to The New York Times that that was my

960
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: idea because I thought it was more badass than a tattoo. Man,

961
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: that's crazy, it's wild. But the biggest mind buck of

962
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: all of this is going this deep into it. I

963
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm like starting to empathize a little bit

964
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: with her, and I don't like how comfortably close I

965
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: am to understanding how these people did these things. But

966
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: that's it makes me feel close. I think it's important

967
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: to get there though, Like that's my whole motivation with

968
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: this show, with any of these episodes, is to try

969
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: to get you a little closer to like something fucked

970
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: up that somebody just you can understand how these things happen,

971
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: because then maybe you're a little omis mean, But then

972
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: you read the headline and it's like that's crazy. Yeah,

973
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: this is crazy. This is only crazy. People will get

974
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: involved and it's like, well, no, Alison mac it's hard

975
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: to get a regular role on a big TV show

976
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. That's an achievement. She had a career. She

977
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: is a smart person who set her mind you a

978
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: goal and accomplished things and also bought into this weird

979
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: cult and maybe had them start branding women like and

980
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: it made sense to her at the time. Yeah, And

981
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: I especially seeing her talk just now, how she was saying, Oh,

982
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: I can connect with my family now, I don't have

983
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: that social anxiety. There's like a part of me that's like, Okay,

984
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: I can see how, in a really fucked up way,

985
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: if you impose great suffering on people with this guy's

986
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: of like pop feminism, there's some level on which they

987
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: feel bonded and are so broken that they don't maybe

988
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: feel certain anxieties anymore. But I don't know, I kind

989
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: of get it. Yeah. She also put together a number

990
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: of other video interviews for Jeness And this is an

991
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: awkward segue, but I had to make it somehow. They

992
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: all consist of Keith Ranieri and Alison Max sitting at

993
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: a table and talking to each other. I think these

994
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: videos are fascinating, both for the looks on Alison's face,

995
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: which sadly won't transmit over the podcast, so you can

996
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: look at the video online. Will post it on behind

997
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: the Baschard's dot com. But they're most interesting for the

998
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: insights they give as to how Keith Ranieri works, as

999
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: to how he's sort of you can kind of see

1000
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: how he ensnares people on a one on one level.

1001
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: Here's him talking about gender in a twenty six minute

1002
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: long video called Beyond Age Your Gender Human First. We're

1003
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: not gonna play all twenty six minute. I was thinking,

1004
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: there's a push right now, just culturally, similar to like

1005
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: the creativity push. It feels like a lot of people

1006
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: are talking about reading books about and doing things studies

1007
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: on this idea of like the need for more female

1008
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: strength in the world. You know, we have like the

1009
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: elections happening with Hillary Clinton is being a candidate and

1010
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: all this, and everybody's like women need to take more

1011
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: leadership roles and things like that. And I was just wondering,

1012
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: like what your take was on that, given that your

1013
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: perspective more humanists. I'm going to give you a short thing.

1014
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: You're using a lot of male language and male male

1015
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: things to describe this, and that's disrespectful to women. Now,

1016
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 1: you know, should women be in leadership roles? I think

1017
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: women are in certain types of lead ship roles. Unfortunately

1018
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: it is controlled a lot by men. Can women rise

1019
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: to be fuller in the world and in the principles

1020
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: that they experience and bringing that wisdom they're unique upbringing,

1021
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: and even the cultural poison that they have to transform

1022
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: the world. Absolutely, they have to become aware of it,

1023
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: and they have to have that desire and they have

1024
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: to struggle. It's going to be a big struggle, and

1025
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: it's a type of struggle because they have to struggle

1026
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: about against the type of oppression, a type of box

1027
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: that they've been placed in by men, if you will,

1028
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's not just men now, it's

1029
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: men that were formed by literature that were formed by men,

1030
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: that was formed by literature that was formed by men,

1031
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: was formed by the jungle and sort of that, and uh,

1032
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, men need to change in a different way.

1033
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: But both sexes have to become more self aware and

1034
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: understand outside of gender, outside of sex, there's human and

1035
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: there are things that are transcendent as human. I'll say this,

1036
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: if you saw that clip or listened to it um

1037
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: without any context, even if you weren't half listening, if

1038
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: you were listening, and I see you, but I mean me,

1039
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: I might go along with it. I mean, he is

1040
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: using the language of contemporary gender thought in a very

1041
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: vague and sort of wishy washy way, I suppose um,

1042
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: and that alone is kind of chilling. It's like, I

1043
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: think it makes me think about so many of the

1044
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: conversations I've had that sounded like that. Yeah, it's the

1045
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: only thing type place where it slips in there for

1046
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: me where he's not making a good impression of like

1047
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: a super woke intellectual dude is when he chastises her

1048
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: for being disrespectful to women. Yeah, that was That's like

1049
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: the part where it's like, wait, what the funk? But

1050
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: then he immediately moves on to talking about how we

1051
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: all have toxicity in us because of the literature were

1052
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: raised on and stuff, And it's like, but I've I've

1053
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: heard men talk like that, like and and not always

1054
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: in a way that isn't raging. It is true that

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: we have gendered language. And cutting to her smiling very pleasantly,

1056
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: like deeply taking it in sort of though it like

1057
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: it did bump me. There was a part of me

1058
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: that was like cool, but she gets it. She doesn't

1059
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: feel like she's being man's plain. It was chilling. It

1060
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: is chilling. There are so many of these videos out there.

1061
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: I've watched an uncomfortable amount of them to make this podcast.

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that almost wants to just

1063
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: run that one to completion, but obviously that would be

1064
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: really boring on a podcast. They are cheesy and uncomfortable

1065
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: and also oddly compelling and hard to watch past a

1066
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: certain point. Um, I'm only gonna play a clip from

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: one more because I think it really emphasizes the culti

1068
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: nature of Keith's Crazy Empire. We've been talking a lot

1069
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: about what makes something a cult. One of the really

1070
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: critical things to make something a cult is developing your

1071
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: own language. Scientology does this a lot. You know, sp

1072
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: suppressive person. You know, you've got your OT levels and whatnot,

1073
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: but you know other you can talk about like weird

1074
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: um snake handling. Christian cults within parts of the United

1075
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: States do this to every Every cult does this where

1076
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: they try to create different terms for things than the

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01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: majority of society uses. Because cults are all that isolation.

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: They're all about separating you from everybody else. So if

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: you can create a different sort of vocabulary for your cult,

1080
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: then you can isolate people very effectively without them even

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: knowing that. That's what you're doing, which is something that

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01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: social groups do. Yeah, absolutely, which makes the line feel

1083
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: so fine. It does because you do this with your friends,

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: you have inside joke in terms that would be nonsense

1085
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: to anybody else but means something to you. All the

1086
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: stuff like, there's none of the cult making techniques at

1087
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: their most basic level are inherently toxic. They're successful in

1088
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: helping to make a cult because they're all things that

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: people do normally. You know, there's a lot of used

1090
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: to talk about the similarities between U. C. B uh.

1091
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: If you talk to anyone honestly who was in a

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: combat unit in the military, they will talk about a

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: lot of CULTI kind of behavior and different terms that

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01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: people come and like. Because whenever you're isolated with a

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01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: group of people, whether it's a friend group or you're

1096
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: all studying to be an improv or you're in battle together,

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: you develop certain bonds and you become isolated from the

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: rest of society to a certain extent. And that's normal.

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: That's what families are too. Cults utilize these as weapons

1100
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: in order to take people's free will away in a sense.

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01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: And I think this clip what's interesting to me about it,

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01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: it's it's called journeying through the stages of development. And

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: it's nonsense. The conversation they're having is nonsense because the

1104
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: terms that they are using don't mean the same thing

1105
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: to them that they do to us. Oh so, like

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01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: stages of development, I assume to them have some slightly

1107
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: more specific meaning, you know, no, because they're they're talking

1108
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: about little little little be the easiest way to get across.

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay here. I've been thinking a lot

1110
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: about just the concept of um, like compulsion, like, uh,

1111
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: something is good, something is nice, something is pleasant, something

1112
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: is lots of self through the emotions. Yeah, yeah, And

1113
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: I just I'm curious about that because it seems like

1114
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: something that's a reverence issue. It is um. It's interesting.

1115
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: You know, we're born as bodies and emotions and not

1116
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 1: much cognitive facility. You know, people don't realize that there's

1117
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: even something called mind of other there's a whole progression

1118
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: of our self awareness. You ask a young child, and

1119
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: so he t he starts talking about stages the belt.

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01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: He dropped some actual educational psychology after that point. But

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: that early thing where they're talking about it's a reverence

1122
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: issue and the loss of the body through like that's

1123
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: all nonsense. It's nonsense, but yeah, you can really feel

1124
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: that they have these constructed uh meanings behind them, like

1125
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: how she's searching for the word compulsion. Yeah, that's in

1126
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: their core curriculous exactly. And he responds with the definition

1127
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: from the curriculum and she said, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1128
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So I don't know. I'm sure at this

1129
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: point some of you are pulling out your credit cards

1130
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: to go book an ESP training seminar because this is

1131
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: some compelling ship. And I mean, I get it. I

1132
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: listened to some self help stuff. I think Ted Radio

1133
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: our feels like a self help our. It's all pelling,

1134
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: and I think that the toxic parts of this happens

1135
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: number one when it's centered around one person. So, you know,

1136
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: UCB may have some culty aspects to it, but Amy

1137
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: Poehler isn't asking you to give her money directly and

1138
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: follow her guidelines on life and dress the way that

1139
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: she dresses and believe the things that she believes. You're right,

1140
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: that is and it it is a company that is

1141
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: taking all of this money, which I think unsettle some people.

1142
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: UCB sure does this, but what truly makes this ac

1143
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: cult and not just a hack self help group. Is

1144
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: all the dark stuff. That's the big part of it

1145
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: is is it maladaptive? Is it hurting people? Yeah? Um

1146
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: so uh spoiler alert. Executive Success Programs is no longer

1147
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: hosting seminars. They're not taking Yeah, they've got it. If

1148
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: you go to their website, I'm going to show you

1149
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: what their website looks like, because it's as pretentious as

1150
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: everything else Keith Renier he has ever made in his life.

1151
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: I love the first thing on the website is a

1152
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: picture of Albert Einstein, and up, we cannot solve our

1153
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Hey,

1154
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: I that's him. He's trying to tell you that everything

1155
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: you know is wrong. We'll have a picture from the

1156
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: website up on our website, which is not a cult website. Although,

1157
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: if you want to pay me seven thousand dollars, I

1158
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: will talk to you for a week. Okay, absolutely, So

1159
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: that's an offer on the table. If I were the

1160
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: heir to the Seagroom's fortune, Brontman's sisters, look me up.

1161
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: I will not charge a hundred and fifty million, ten

1162
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: million dollars. You know what, I'll give you all the sashes. Man.

1163
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: I wonder what their life is right now. They're probably

1164
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: still super rich and fine. Yeah right, I'm sure they're Okay,

1165
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: they're fine. Yeah, they're not the people like hopefully they

1166
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: weren't physically or sexually abused. If they were, then I

1167
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: feel terrible about this, Um. But I think they're still rich, Okay,

1168
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: I think the justice of the world, they kind of

1169
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: just hopefully they're wiser now and will not fall for

1170
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: occult again. Uh So, The New York Times published their

1171
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: first article on Keith Reniery and next um in October.

1172
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: This led to a federal investigation. Uh. Mr Reynieri fled

1173
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: to Mexico, ditched his cell phone, and only communicated to

1174
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: his followers through encrypted messaging apps. He was arrested in

1175
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: late March in Port of Art, to Mexico because encrypted

1176
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: messaging apps aren't as encrypted or secure as people pretend

1177
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: they are, which Paul Manaford also learned recently. Yeah another

1178
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: great guy. Yeah, don't commit crimes and assume that your

1179
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: encrypted Messaging act will protect you. So this is so

1180
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: messed up, But a part of me was kind of

1181
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: hoping that he was still in Mexico and like this

1182
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: was still ongoing, and know that I could like get

1183
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: in there, you know, like oh and learn how to

1184
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: reverence issue, get into the vigilante just oh like oh,

1185
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: like throwing pipe bombs at him. You're still out there,

1186
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, um, but he's the he's been caught.

1187
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: I'll find one of these guys who hasn't been caught

1188
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: and we can go Windo, blow up someone's car. Yeah, yeah,

1189
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: that's fine. But he was caught, so he's he's in

1190
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: process right now, I assume, Yeah, so he Allison Mack

1191
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: was arrested a few weeks later. She was released on

1192
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: five million dollars bail. Last I checked, which was like

1193
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: Wednesday when I was finishing writing this. He is still

1194
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: in jail. US attorney Richard Donna Hue, when they were

1195
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: both arrested, stated as a legend the indictment, Alison Mack

1196
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: recruited women to join what was purported to be a

1197
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: female mentorship group that was in fact created and led

1198
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: by Keith Raneery. The victims were exploited both sexually and

1199
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: for their labor to the defendants benefit, which seems like

1200
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,959
Speaker 1: an accurate statement, the most accurate statement anything so far

1201
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: of all the quotes I've read, this is the Rhney

1202
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: does not appear to have taken to prison. Well. On

1203
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: June six, the day I finished writing this, Keat's lawyers

1204
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: as the court to allow him to pay ten million

1205
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: dollars bond to be released. He even agreed to live

1206
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: under armed security until his court date in October. As

1207
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: far as I know, he hasn't been released, although maybe

1208
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: something happened the last day or so, but you should

1209
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: check up on that. I think he's still in jail,

1210
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: and hopefully they don't let him pay ten million dollars bond.

1211
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe he left one exactly. He's definitely a

1212
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,879
Speaker 1: flight risk. Ranieri's attorneys referred to the US Justice Department

1213
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: as the quote morality police. Uh. They accused them of

1214
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: wrongly implicating raneery and sex trafficking. They said their client,

1215
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: who is being held without bond since his the rest

1216
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: three months ago, as an accomplished ethicist who is not

1217
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: a danger and should be released from custody. Uh So,

1218
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't trust anyone who calls themselves an accomplished ethicist,

1219
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: humanitarian judo champion. Okay, yeah you will, judo champion. I'll

1220
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: believe I'll just think very little of them. Yeah, so

1221
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: that should be the end of what I have to

1222
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: say about Keith Raney. But there's so much more. And

1223
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: again I didn't even talk about the men's groups. There's

1224
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: other there's so much ship going on here. But there

1225
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: is one more thing I have to talk about. You

1226
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: remember earlier in the episode how I talked about Elon

1227
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: Musk being taken in by that weird website called the Knife. Well,

1228
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: let's start talking about There's no more about Elon Musk here.

1229
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: This podcast isn't about attacking Elon. I can't protect him anymore. No,

1230
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: he's not one of the bad people in this thing.

1231
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: So fake news became a buzzword in two thousand and sixteen.

1232
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: Obviously it's been a thing for as long as there's

1233
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: been news, what with the Spanish American War. Uh, but

1234
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: you know, it became a buzzword after the election. And

1235
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: in two thousands seventeen, Nextium launched a pretentiously named website

1236
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: called The Knife of Aristotle. Come on the n the

1237
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: Knife of fucking Aristotle. Their initial ad campaign just said,

1238
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: subscribe to the Knife of Aristotle and see what it is,

1239
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: which fuck you? Um on seventeen. Recently, unemployed journalist Brock

1240
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: Wilbert published an article paste magazine called The Knife of

1241
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: Aristotle isn't just a fake fake news site, It's a cult.

1242
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: Brock and his wife found a job opportunity at a

1243
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: legitimate journalism job opportunity site, and it took them to

1244
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: a website called Ethical Media dot Org. Journalists were being

1245
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: recruited on a to a team that would evaluate news

1246
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: articles based on an objective system of measurement, which was,

1247
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: of course proprietary. UH. Brock sent them an inquiry and

1248
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: they responded right away, offering him three to five thousand

1249
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: per month to let him work remotely. But there was

1250
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: a catch quote. We use a proprietary methodology to carry

1251
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: out our writing an analysis process. Our writers are required

1252
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: to have a working knowledge of our rating system and standards.

1253
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: In order to learn this, they attend five weeks of

1254
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: advanced training and Communication Logic and Ethics. The first week

1255
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: of the training is focused on personal development and ethics.

1256
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: Are analysts get to deeply explore their belief systems and

1257
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: gain an understanding of the human mechanisms of perception that

1258
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: influenced our communication and culture. So UH five weeks of

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Speaker 1: training was required to get this job in New York.

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Speaker 1: It was not paid the training. Brock kept looking into

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Speaker 1: the group and found out that they seemed to have

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Speaker 1: a weird right wing bias and evaluated news sites using

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Speaker 1: an unclear rubric. They had a staff page and many

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Speaker 1: of the people on it seemed questionably real. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Brock Wilbur elected not to go. He wrote an article

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Speaker 1: about it instead and delved into a bird's ivy of

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Speaker 1: the Keith Renery story. He notes in a postcript that

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Speaker 1: The Knife of Aristotle removed their staff page after his article. Um,

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Speaker 1: the staff stuff on there sounds exactly like the jenness.

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Speaker 1: It does. I was gonna say, like one of the

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Speaker 1: journalists talks about how I went to school in Mexico

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Speaker 1: and worked for Mexican magazine. You Mexican, Mexican magazines, that's

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Speaker 1: how you talk about your professional career. I worked in

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Speaker 1: American magazines. They had Keith had some something going on

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Speaker 1: with Mexico. He really did. He really likes Mexico and

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Speaker 1: seems to be good at getting the children of Mexican

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Speaker 1: presidents to give him that. I guess he was rich

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Speaker 1: by that point. I will say he is definitely the

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Speaker 1: world's number one authority on getting children of Mexican presidents

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Speaker 1: to pay him several thousand dollars as far as I'm

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Speaker 1: aware of that, and that is a credential he can

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Speaker 1: list on his web Absolutely, it's specific credential. It is.

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Speaker 1: If I saw that, I'd be like, that's that's something

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Speaker 1: I too would like to grift the children of Mexican politicians. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not an essential Yeah politicians. Yeah, uh so um Brock.

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Speaker 1: Wilbur's article went relatively viral and did some damage to

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Speaker 1: the Knife of Aristotle's reputation. But if you think Keith

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Speaker 1: Ranieri is the kind of man who would give up

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Speaker 1: on a good scam opportunity just because a journalist caught him,

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Speaker 1: you don't know Keith Ranieri. The Knife of Aristotle continued instead,

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Speaker 1: billing itself as a scholarship opportunity rather than a job.

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Speaker 1: Egyptian American author Yahia Labba Beatie was browsing a journalism

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Speaker 1: job board one day when he came across a posting

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Speaker 1: for an Ethical media scholarship. They claim to be a

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Speaker 1: media watchdog working to revolutionize the way we read news.

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Speaker 1: Winners would receive full admission to their training seminar and

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Speaker 1: cash prizes of ten thousand, three thousand, or one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yahia applied and arranged a skype interview with the journalist

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Speaker 1: who work for this watchdog. The guy claimed that quote,

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Speaker 1: we want the news to read more like science, less

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Speaker 1: like fiction. A few days after that, Yahia received a

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Speaker 1: letter awarding him a three thousand dollar scholarship as long

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Speaker 1: as he met the work requirement with eighteen hours per

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Speaker 1: week for a minimum of one year. Of course, this

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Speaker 1: guy was a journalist too, and he did some digging

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Speaker 1: and quickly discovered the Keith three Neery connection. Yeah heah

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Speaker 1: didn't take the scholarship, but the Knife of Aristotle is

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Speaker 1: still active today. They've rebranded, of course, and now call

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Speaker 1: themselves just the Knife. They look pretty legitimate if you

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Speaker 1: just skimmed them, like I can't blame Elon Musk for

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: running across an article and not thinking too much. I

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Speaker 1: can Okay, I probably could too. I'm judged out right now.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe the Knife, No, no, but I I've

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Speaker 1: been working in journalism for years, so I would be like,

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Speaker 1: this is a news side I've never heard of. How

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Speaker 1: are they saying the New York Times is thirty seven

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Speaker 1: percent reliable? What is their rubric? And you look into

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Speaker 1: it and stuff. If you're having a fight with the

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Speaker 1: New York Town Times, Yeah that's true. Yeah, maybe you don't,

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Speaker 1: you'd let it go. He's not a hero for following

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Speaker 1: a dumb news site, but like, you know, yeah, it's understandable.

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Speaker 1: He's yet another person who fell for Keith Renieri's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: So the knife should be shut down. The knife is

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Speaker 1: still operating right now. Uh. You can find their rankings

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Speaker 1: on articles using their supposedly scientific system today. I found

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Speaker 1: no direct references to Keith Renieri on the site, but

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Speaker 1: I did find one indirect reference. So there is a

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Speaker 1: series that the site does, called with Prejudice, where they

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Speaker 1: rehabilitate unfairly maligned thinkers like Google engineer James Namore or

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Speaker 1: New York Times columns editor Barry Weiss. The series stars

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Speaker 1: Jen's Eric Gould, who is their editor in chief. The

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Speaker 1: best way I could describe Jen's Eric Gould is discount

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro, and Ben Shapiro himself as discount Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: So you're really getting um, Yeah, Jen's Eric Gould, who

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Speaker 1: also appears to be the main force behind the website.

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Speaker 1: The series with Prejudice, though was not originally called that.

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Speaker 1: It used to be called Blacklisted, but someone complained, and

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Speaker 1: there is a note on that section of the site

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Speaker 1: that says this series was previously titled Blacklisted. We received

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Speaker 1: feedback from our primary advisor that the name was inappropriately

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Speaker 1: spun and failed to include additional perspectives. You can decide

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Speaker 1: for yourself if this primary advisor exercising minute control over

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Speaker 1: the Knife's operation is Keith Ranieri, I'm going to say yes.

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Speaker 1: Their patreon currently has a hundred and four backers. Wow,

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01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: that's more than mine does. Well. Yeah, they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of money behind them, that's true. Yeah, wow, So

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Speaker 1: that's everything. I'm exhausted now I'm too. I do see it.

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Speaker 1: I see the board with the pictures and read thread.

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Speaker 1: Now good. That was my whole goal here. I apologize

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01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: that some of this was confusing. There's so much to

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Speaker 1: keep track of. It made sense of speaking story, yea um,

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Speaker 1: but that is almost everything about Keith Ranieri that I

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Speaker 1: thought was relevant. I hope bad things happened to him.

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Speaker 1: He's in prison. I hope bad things happened to him.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily when he's I would be fine if just

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Speaker 1: a rock fell out of this guy and hit him,

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Speaker 1: that would be okay. Yeah, I'd be fine with that.

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Speaker 1: But it's crazy to think too, like he's touched so much,

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Speaker 1: so who has totally internalized his crazy way of thinking

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Speaker 1: and will continue it. I mean, I suppose, like without

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Speaker 1: the charismatic leader, I don't know how much you have.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Nexim's got much of a future. But

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Speaker 1: there will be another Keith rawn Eerie. Maybe it will

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Speaker 1: be someone who took some of his classes and does

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Speaker 1: it a little better and a little bigger. Maybe it'll

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Speaker 1: just be some other random guy. But or lady or

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Speaker 1: lady or lady with an i Q of two forty

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Speaker 1: and a judo championship when she was eleven, ye could

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Speaker 1: be Yeah, it would be nice for one of these

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Speaker 1: creepy cult leaders to be a lady soon. Well, Alice,

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Speaker 1: we got close, Alison Mac we've ever and I think, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and she's breaking barriers. She is. We didn't get a

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Speaker 1: lady president, but we got a lady co cult leader. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Kind of the best part of it is that she

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Speaker 1: cited Hillary Clinton in her like yeah, women Row hashtag

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01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: girl power. Yeah, interview badass bitches, you know do stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: this makes me so disenchanted with pop feminism and the

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Speaker 1: way we talk about feminism now, Like, yeah, bad bitches,

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Speaker 1: we got this girls stick together. Jenner as a construct,

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Speaker 1: it's not real. That's how I feel, well how he

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Speaker 1: feels too. Yeah. My big thing like, always be scared

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Speaker 1: of slogans. If somebody tells you you're a warrior a

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Speaker 1: bunch of times, they're probably lying to you to get

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Speaker 1: you to do something. For Uh, if somebody tells you

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Speaker 1: you're a badass and you're not doing anything badass or

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Speaker 1: the thing that you're doing is just letting someone hurt you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: then get the funk out. Yeah. Be afraid of catchy

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Speaker 1: slogans that make you feel cool, because when people try

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Speaker 1: to make you feel cool, they're trying to get you

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Speaker 1: to do something. Definitely, and to realize that these kinds

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Speaker 1: of people are not as obvious as we think from

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Speaker 1: the outside. Man, I feel bad for bringing UCB into this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you used to be. If you're listening,

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Speaker 1: the force behind all comedy theaters. That's entirely possible. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: one's disproved it. I do want to say that while

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't trust anyone who calls you a badass, I

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Speaker 1: think you are all badasses for listening to my show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Anna and I am on Instagram. I make a

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