WEBVTT - Draft Show: Piquing Their Interest? 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.680 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:13.760 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.880 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:23.000 insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:29.760 of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco. And now 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:36.120 your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:44.040 David Hellman. It is Tuesday, April fifth, which first and 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:53.080 foremost means it's Angie Hellman's birthday. I'm mama. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.840 if you're listening, Mom, I think you might be happy birthday. 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.880 Love you. I'm David Hellman. It's also a new episode 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.280 the Draft Show, brought to you by Miller Light. Like 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.160 the Big Voice said, we're all together once again. Jeff, Brian, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:12.119 Kyle Fellas. It's getting spicy, like the bullets. The bullets 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.960 are flying, which I wanna think you should say. Okay, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:21.679 that's it is. It's maybe regrettable, but common sports parlance. Okay, 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.679 it's getting interesting. It is April. I'm gonna do it again. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.640 I'm gonna give y'all a choose your own adventure just 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.360 because these are the two things I want to hit 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.160 um if you live under a rock. We got a 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.000 pretty good idea of who the Cowboys are bringing to 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:40.280 the facility on their top thirty visits. We also have 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:45.520 a gigantic draft trade yesterday that shook up the first 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.880 round a little bit between the Philadelphia Eagles, Philadelphia Eagles 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.600 and the New Orleans Saints. I don't where would you 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.760 rather start? I think probably here in Cowboyland. We're a 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.000 little bit more interested in the names that are going 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.840 to be coming through this facility, a few of which 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.680 are here right now. You're influencing the jerry right now 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.760 we go there, which one on which direction to go? 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.880 Which is kind of messed up after saying we could choose, 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.840 I would you rather start with the trade? No? I 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.960 think you made a great point. Yeah, Cowboys, you're right. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.840 I've talked to it. I don't know what the Saints 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.080 are doing, though, I talked it through myself and I 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:17.799 was like, no, let's start with the visits. I think 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.680 the I think the Saints are going to trade again. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:24.200 You think they're trying to I think they probably. They're 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.079 probably looking at it. How can they get ahead of Carolina? 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.320 It's what they're thinking about. I think I think the 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:34.720 quarterback run will start at Carolina potentially, So that's where 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.640 I think. I think. I don't think the Saints are 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.120 done trading. I think they're they're thinking about moving one 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.520 more time. So it sounds like we're starting there. Good point. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.120 So like, no, I mean, I just saying that, if 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.200 I mean the thirty visit things are the most important. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.160 I think that. I think two things have happened here, 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.280 both teams looking for a quarterback, but in a different way. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.760 I think that I think the Saints maybe having their 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.519 eye on it's like Willis or somebody like that, maybe 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.440 pick it, and then they're going to try and make 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.720 one more trade. Yeah, we'll see, And then I think 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.160 the Eagles on the other end, realize that they've evaluated 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.320 the quarterback market. The owner and the general manager of 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.120 come out in support of Jalen Hurts. They're going to 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.320 evaluate him for one more year, and then next year 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:14.840 they're going to make the move if they have to. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.080 I love the Eagles thought process here, to be honest. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.520 They do a good job. They do a really good 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.639 job with how they move around the board, how they 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.800 share yourself. Yeah, multiple first round picks two years in 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.440 a row. You can still I mean it would be 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.720 fun to have three, but you can still add two 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.680 first round picks to your roster. And if Jalen Hurts 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.080 stinks up the joint exactly, you're very well positioned to 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.160 move on. And then you know what if the Saints 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.280 don't find their quarterback and then all of a sudden 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.000 that pick turns into like a top six or seven pick, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.240 and now you're now you're sitting really well with those guys. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.840 Do you think there's any chance whatsoever that the Saints 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.080 are going up to maybe get one of those tackles too, 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.600 and very well, just because they lost Armstead to Miami, 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.920 they don't necessarily have a starting left tackle at the moment. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.960 Do they go and get one of the tackles? Doesn't 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.280 have to be in the top five, it's just top ten, period. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.760 It just seems like that you wouldn't give next year's win. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.400 But the Saints with Sean Payton have done stuff where 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.000 they moved in. They gave up a next years want 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.680 to go get a defensive end? Yeah, same regime. Yeah, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.000 so yeah, tackle quarterback. I mean, they're they're going to 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.640 get somebody. But I don't think the Saints are done moving. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.919 That's what I'm That's what I'm thinking. I think this 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.000 illustrates that this is kind of the fun of the NFL, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.080 and it's the fun of the draft is that teams 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.599 do things different ways because they think it's the best 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.599 way to win. The Saints are hyper aggressive. Yeah, and 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.640 my brain, I think that the Eagles won this trade 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.760 in the landslide. Now, nobody knows until you pick the 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.960 players you pick, but in a vacuum, the Eagles won this. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.400 By every measurable value chart, whatever you want to use. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.520 The Eagles won this trade, and they're taking advantage of 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.400 the fact that people devalue later picks, whereas the Saints 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.640 they don't care about anything but today. And I know 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.600 there's a lot of Cowboy fans that want the Cowboys 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.440 to operate that way. I love what the Eagles did 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.599 because they're saying, no, I'm gonna win over the long haul, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.159 I am going to win this trade. You're gonna feel 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.640 good on Thursday. I'm gonna feel good for five years. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.000 And like that's I think Cowboy fans have that battle 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.800 happening right now where a lot of people are like, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:20.280 I want it now, I want it now. I want 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.719 it now. And I'm one of the weirdos who's like, no, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.800 just build, always just build. I think you can do 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.200 both though, And I mean the counter to that is 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.760 the Saints are gonna feel great if this turns into 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.720 the next Patrick Mahomes. Obviously, sure that's easier said than done, 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.880 which okay, it's a wonderful point that they did this 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.799 for Marcus Davenport four or five years ago, whatever draft 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.679 that was. I think, oh no, I mean, he hasn't 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.280 been terrible, but he certainly hasn't been worth ha been 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.479 worth that move. It's weird to be the team that 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.920 is trading up like the Saints are trading up. It's 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.720 weird to be the team that's trading up without knowing 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.039 who's going to be available. Yes, it's like to me, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.159 that's but I'm gonna call it bad prossss. But you 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.239 can have a feel or have called to the teams 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:04.640 to think that you're gonna be able to move. That's 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.800 why I think they're moving again. But you don't even 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.320 know there is there's precedent for this. The Eagles did 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.600 it for Carson Wentz, Like yeah, we're originally fifteen or sixteen, 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.080 they jumped up to nine or ten, and then they 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.520 use that capital to jump on You can't know, like 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.400 maybe your quarterback goes sixth and you're like, well, we're 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:21.760 gonna get him when he gets down to it, and 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.920 then on draft day he doesn't. You go, whoops. Well 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.320 they that's why they're trying. They could do another trade 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.479 before draft day, like they don't have to wait until 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.400 clock starts. Yes, but they know the Panthers are probably 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.080 going to be that first team. Brian said it a 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.920 moment ago. That's looking at a quarterback. So if they 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.880 wanted to have an idea of where the quarterback would go, 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.040 you would need to jump into the top five. Yeah, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.680 in order to be ensured that they're getting their guy. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.440 Is it shocking to you at all that with all 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.600 the dirt we've thrown on this quarterback class that and 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.200 we don't know for sure that's what they're doing, but 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.120 sure it's at least conceivable that that's what the Saints 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.320 are doing. Is that shocking to you at all that 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.520 somebody would move heaven and earth for one of these quarterbacks. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.560 I think there's a couple of ways I look at it. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.760 I really do Matt Correll would be my number one 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.320 guy on the board. But I think there's a really 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.040 a group of guys out there and gals that really 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.880 liked what Willis at Liberty could do. I think that 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:15.880 day he kind of looks like a guy that could 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.360 be what we've seen quarterbacks nowadays, the guy that's mob 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.320 the mobilities outstanding, the armstring's outstanding, you know, the way 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.440 that you know, there's there's touch he has on the ball, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.280 there's accuracy there. He's a little bit of a shorter guy. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.080 But we've seen the shorter quarterbacks have some success. So yeah, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.800 I mean it's not I don't think it's the surefire thing. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.840 There's some teams that are very confident that they can 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.080 evaluate quarterbacks, you know, and that you know, you know, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.960 the Saints are team that won games with bad quarterbacks, 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.320 you know, so I mean maybe they feel like that 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.679 they have a guy in mind. It might not be Willis, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.000 it might be Pickt. You know, it might be rare. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.320 I mean, you know, who knows how they see this thing. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.240 You know, we were all kind of talking about Matt 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.679 Jones last year, you know, and all of a sudden, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.360 you watch what Matt Jones I mean, we you know, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.520 everybody's saying at Jones, you know, going third overall that 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.640 kind of stuff. Well, it looked like Matt Jones played 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.200 well enough to where you should have considered him that high, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.080 you know. So I think that's the one position where 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.120 nobody sees these guys the same, and they all kind 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.840 of have a plan for what they have to want 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.080 to do. The only thing that's different about the Saints 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.160 is they don't have their head coach calling the place, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.880 you know, but they have everything else in the offensive 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.080 staff together and say, everything else is still in place though, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.960 right right right, So to me, I kind of feel 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.800 like that that that would be. You know, these quarterbacks 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.840 they blow you away. No, but I don't think it's 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.440 I don't think they're all just just complete bums either. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.719 Do you feel any better that at least, I mean, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.560 obviously those picks are still going to happen. I feel 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.520 a little bit better knowing that the Eagles only have 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.240 two of those picks now instead of they have fifteen 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.440 and eighteen or eighteen and eighteen. Yeah. Yeah, so they're 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.920 still a wide receiver problem. Extra one and extra two 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.920 and okay three, that's your draft Show's problem in twenty 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.320 twenty four or twenty twenty three, not right now? Yeah, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:02.080 yeah again. The Saints view was for today. The Eagles 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.640 view was for next week. Sure, because I love the 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:10.880 thought that if Jalen Hurts struggles, they are very well positioned. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.760 They know you're you're into the draft. That's just sorry. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.000 If it's the Eagles, I'm sure that bums you out, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.720 But like that's just smart planning and Hurt is gonna 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.040 play well, or you're gonna chase Bryce Young. Either way 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.000 that's fun. Yeah, but the Eagles getting Bryce Young or 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.240 c J. Stroud probably doesn't make you very happy as 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.719 a Cowboy fan based on what we say, all right, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.360 I mean we're not going to ignore the other big news. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.640 I mean, shoot, we've been joking for weeks like, oh, 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.000 we're gonna we're gonna get some thirty visit names. You 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.160 can't one hundred percent vouch for the authenticity of the 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.000 whole thing. Plants change. Guys don't always make their trips, 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:51.080 but the vast majority of this year's list hit the 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.480 internet late last week. Were there any big surprises for 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.200 y'all or does this kind of follow the roadmap we 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.480 assumed all along instead of surprise is can I just 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.120 throw out my favorite? Sure, Gilanni Woods? The Cowboys are 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.760 I had to flip this because our guy John Machoda 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.880 is a real jerk, and put them in alphabetical order, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.040 and I want them in position group order. They're going 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.520 to visit a show to put them in alphabetical order. Yeah, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.959 that is chaos. Yeah, you know how long it took 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.080 me to hit copy group baste. I had to move 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.360 them into the Cowboys. Allegedly, you're going to visit four 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.200 tight ends, and if you had to guess on their 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:33.720 draft range, I think it goes anywhere from sixty to 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.920 one hundred and twenty. Yep. The Cowboys are hunting their 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.440 next tight end and it will likely be in the 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.240 third or fourth round. And my favorite name on the 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.360 list is Gilanni Woods from Virginia who was I believe 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.960 Oklahoma State for three years, transferred to Virginia. Had eight 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.400 touchdowns last year and he looks like a baby giraffe 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.319 playing with humans except strong. So like, there's so many 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.479 fun traits with Gilanni's fun to watch him go downfield. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.079 He's my guy. He's four six, he's a big leeper, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.720 he's hard as held to tackle. He wears number zero. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.520 By the way, Virginia had a receiver that war ninety nine, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.480 so watching their tape is really fun. Tight end wears zero, 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.600 a receiver wears ninety nine, and they're tight end six 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.280 foot six plus. Yeah, that's pretty six seven one. Yeah. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.360 He's sixty seven. Yeah, and he's two hundred and sixty 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.880 pounds or whatever. And he is held a tackle and 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.600 tested as maybe the most athletic tight end prospect in 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.400 the history of the league. So like, he ain't perfect, 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.440 but he's actually my tight end one, which I see 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.720 for most people. He's four or five and there may 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.880 be more sure things to me. That's Marty b on steroids. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.520 That's what Jealani Woods is. I do think in a 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.320 class where there's not a surefire like top forty tight end, 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.800 that's it seems like a beauty is in the eye 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.080 of the beholder kind of situation. What's getting held against 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.959 my guy is that he's sixty seven and everybody else 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.000 is five eleven. Yeah, and so he looks uncoordinated while 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.199 he plays, but he's but he's not because the testing 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.240 numbers say that he's not. And this is to your point, David, 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.160 I feel like the draft, being the way that it is, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.720 allows for a guy that is so tradey to elevate 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.559 quicker than in other drafts where there is that surefire 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.280 tight end that had the numbers, had the production, whereas 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.160 what's had solid production. He wasn't a bum at Virginia 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:22.960 by any means, but he wasn't up at the top 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.200 of the list like some of these other guys were. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.839 But the traits and the potential in the ceiling are 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.560 all very enticing for a guy who could go in 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.160 the second to to fifth round. Bring him to me. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.520 Any other any surprises, any names that really Yeah, they 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.240 don't like your Iowa Center, I guess yeah, as far 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.480 as we are aware, Yeah, Tylan Linderbaum is not scheduled 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.240 to visit right. They've also I was surprised to Charles 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.640 Cross from Mississippi State, and I think, Charles Cross, is 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.280 you think that's a due diligence thing? You know what 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.960 I don't know? To me it is I need to 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.240 ask what I have my gang of seven that I 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.480 call on the radio that are guys that are working 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.000 in the league, and I need to kind of figure 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.080 out is Charles Cross really a slider? Have the media 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.360 scouts made Charles Cross a top ten player, and in 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.240 NFL eyes he's really not. He's a top sixteen player 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.040 or top twenty player, And so I need to figure 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.600 that one out right there. I think what's interesting if 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.320 you just look at the list and study. I know 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.280 on my board I have five first round guys and 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.199 everybody else is just either second, third, fourth round in 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.600 this thing. That'd be Davis, the defensive tackle from Georgia, Lloyd, 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.280 the linebacker from Utah a La, the Burkes, and Cross, 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.120 as I mentioned, so you know they're hunting. They're hunting guys. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.680 I like what Jeff's talking about with the tight end stuff. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.960 I think they're also hunting, if you want to be 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.520 honest with the they're hunting these linebackers too. And they're 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.400 not only Lloyd would be the first round one, but 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.400 the other ones they're have, they're hunting that position. They're 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.840 also hunting second round or third round defensive tackles as well. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.320 So I don't think that I could. I could with 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.840 certainty believe that the twenty fourth pick is going to 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.640 be an offensive player. It's either gonna be a wide receiver, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.840 it's gonna be and they've got a couple of guards. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.120 I don't have Zion Johnson and Kenyan Green in the 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:18.400 first round. Maybe they do, but that I could, I 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.760 could with certainty say that they're having some questions about 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.160 these these guards as well with all the wide receivers 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.480 that they're bringing in. I think the wide receivers going 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.720 back to like Jeff's point, when you're looking at where 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.760 they're tabbing tight ends, the wide receivers that they're bringing in, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.960 at least reportedly Burke's London Lave. I mean, those are 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.600 three guys that are going to be first round prospects 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.040 and or not available at fifty six at least. I mean, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.760 you would probably have to go trade up into the 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.040 second round to go get one of those guys. So 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.320 do they feel like that's a bigger need than where anticipating. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.840 I know we've talked about these guys a lot, but 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.400 maybe it's more realistic than we initially thought to have 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.480 a first round wide receiver. It's got to be music 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.160 to Jeff's ears. Just they clearly and it's music to 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.040 my ears. I don't even have to say, you don't 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.560 have to speak for just on that train. Well it 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.720 is it They can't be satisfied with what they've done. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.960 If they are, they're setting themselves up for a bad time. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.920 And at the same time, and though these are it 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.760 is it is a national storyline that they're looking at receivers. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.280 Ian Rapport reported yesterday that Burke's is visiting this week. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.560 Chris Olave, I believe, according to Adam Schefter's supposed to 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.120 be here today. And then on top of that, over 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.360 the weekend it comes out that they at least called 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.320 about DeVante Parker, Yeah, the Dolphins receiver who was just 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.760 traded to New England. No idea what they pitched. I 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.480 can imagine them trying to get him for one of 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.880 those fifth round picks. Sure, but they were what they 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.440 got for a Mari yep, yeah right, they were interested 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.720 enough to call. Yeah, And so that leads me to 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.280 believe that they are not satisfied that James Washington is 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.520 enough to be a presumed top three Well I think though, 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.640 SOO two, when you start to talking, I was mentioned 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.960 about no title Lindon. I mean, you know that May 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.120 thirty visits doesn't mean that they're completely going to draft guys, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.840 but it also means that they probably feel pretty good 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.600 about the Audish and Farniac that kind of maybe we'll 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.720 tell you now they're bringing in you know, we've talked about, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.880 you know, with Cam Jurgens in Nebraska. He's a little 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.600 bit probably a guy that's very similar to you know 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.360 what you have with Linderbaum, with a little bit of 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.840 a lighter guy. Don't think he's as good of an 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.960 athlete or as good as a you know, a player 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.680 when you get him in space. But you know, maybe 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.040 they're thinking like that. You know that they they'll look 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.040 at that a little bit later than maybe say at 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.760 at twenty four. We're gonna get into this in Twitter 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.720 on the twenty. But I do I struggle with this 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.680 because I agree, I mean, you can't read too much 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.320 into these names because like again, like last year is 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.320 a great example. Parsons was a guy that they had 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.440 looked at and they were tied to after they got 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.000 wiped out at Cornerback. But after that they went down, 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.880 like everything after that were guys that they had not 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.800 really well. We didn't have the thirty visit deal. Last 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.400 it was absolute unquote. It was it was all that 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.840 zoom stuff. I get that, But the point I was 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.439 gonna it's normal to see them go away from the 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.720 list the further you get into the draft. Yeah, the 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.800 first round results speak for themselves, like Morris Claiborne, which 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.800 was before Will's time, Will mcclay's time running the draft, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.160 and CD, which again that was a COVID year where 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.919 you didn't you didn't get to have visitors, right, And 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.320 I think DeMarcus Sware was when we didn't bring in 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.119 in two thousand and five, if you want to go 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.240 back into ancient history offense. But I think they even 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.120 talked to CD in twenty twenty, like virtually, I think 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.439 they did, but like you just, there's not there's not 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.320 a limit on how many guys you could talk to 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.919 that sort of thing, and it's easier to hide. The 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.040 only two last year were Parsons and then I believe 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.480 Quentin Bohannah. I think those were the only two guys 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.399 that they had even had a virtual meeting with. So 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.520 that shows that they kind of me and Bohannon was 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.280 a guy that McCarthy and Dan Quinn and Will were 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.400 all at the workout because they were there for Joseph, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.399 so they saw that then with their own eyes. But 0:17:55.480 --> 0:18:00.480 I just I mean Zach Martin Byron Jones, Zeke Elliott, 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.800 Taco Charlton was a visit for better or for worse, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.439 Layton vander Esh even Tristan Hill in twenty nineteen, like, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.080 I would call it a very good bet that the 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.320 eventual pick is at this week. Yeah, I mean history 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.200 speaks for itself. Do you disagree? No, I don't think 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.160 he's there. That's why. And the only reason I would 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.439 say that is because you don't have a traditional general 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.320 manager here. You have a general manager and title, but 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.280 he doesn't go on the road and evaluate players. And 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.320 when they work at the combine, he's working on deals, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.360 whether it's Amari Cooper or Tank Lawrence, that their attention 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.000 is focused another way. They let Will and the scouts 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.119 handled all the other stuff. But yeah, this is an 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.760 opportunity for Stephen and Jerry to see these players. Then 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.800 all of a sudden, Jerry's like, oh, yeah, I remember 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.840 the meeting here. I've seen the tape. Jim Mauer's the 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.160 medical good, it's good, Okay, boom, let's draft this guy. 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.000 So these are worth thirty Visits for the Cowboys are 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.359 huge because your general manager actually gets to meet with 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.400 the players where you might have taken that advantage, whether 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.000 if you have the Senior Bowl or the combine beforehand, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.800 it's a wide receiver or an offensive lineman. I mean, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.119 if we're reading Tea Leaves, I think that is a 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.000 decent bed. Yeah, these guards both belong right around twenty four. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:25.080 The wide receivers belong around twenty four, if not before. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.480 That's where's your knee lineup? That's our pool. Yeah, that's 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.200 your pool. I asked that question on Twitter yesterday. All 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.480 things being equal, let's just I mean, let's just say 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.520 you have your Let's just let's just use those name. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.480 I mean, we've talked about Green and die On, We've 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.400 talked about Burks and Alave. Just take your pick, take 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.520 your pick, and just in a perfect world where all 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.800 four of those are available, and they won't be, but 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:55.080 if they are Green Johnson, Burkes and Lave Burks and 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.920 alve Man. This one's hard because if I'm going off 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.159 how I've ranked the players, I'll take Burks ahead of 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.520 a Lava. But a part of me thinks that Lave 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:09.199 fits better here than Burks. But I don't think you 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.000