Speaker 1: Smell off now, lady. Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia.
Speaker 2: The Metater podcast.
Speaker 1: Hosts Yannis cal Brody length fifty to seventy minutes. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: to me Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time
Speaker 1: on September twenty sixth, and we're live from Meat Eater
Speaker 1: Headquarters World Headquarters here in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host today,
Speaker 1: Yannis Ptellus, and I'm joined by Brody Henderson and Ryan Callahan.
Speaker 1: On today's show, we'll recap a recent move elk and
Speaker 1: deer hunt. Then we'll talk to BHA President Patrick Berry
Speaker 1: about a concerning public lands lawsuit. After that, we'll look
Speaker 1: at a hunting tattoo that was performed by a man
Speaker 1: who was high on meth, followed by one minute fishing
Speaker 1: with the one and only my dad, Papa Yannis. Then
Speaker 1: we've got a hot tip off where Stephen Ranella is
Speaker 1: guaranteed to lose. Think about that one. Followed by an
Speaker 1: interview with Wyatt Seep who's currently logging my Wisconsin deer property.
Speaker 1: And finally Phil will school us in some pop culture trivia.
Speaker 1: But first let's hear from cal Cal. You're recently in
Speaker 1: Wyoming hunting deer and elk. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually I went down the Thursday before Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 3: Buddy mine had a unit sixty one tag or still
Speaker 3: he just took off on the hunt yesterday, and so
Speaker 3: I went down there and helped him scout very wilderness
Speaker 3: based hunting them zorcas, and so wrote around with him,
Speaker 3: checked a bunch of stuff out, saw antelope at ten
Speaker 3: four hundred feet, which was a highlight, a bunch of
Speaker 3: super cool country there. And then yeah, kind of fortunately,
Speaker 3: unfortunately I drew an elk and a deer tag in Wyoming,
Speaker 3: which is not the way I had wanted it to be.
Speaker 1: Now, that's definitely too much of a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, hiked her butts off, had pack lamas,
Speaker 3: which was super fun characters to have in camp, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd that go? How would you rate your overall
Speaker 1: um experience?
Speaker 3: You know, we had one character with us who's just
Speaker 3: not much of a pack animal enthusiast. And as long
Speaker 3: as I can human a human, and as long as
Speaker 3: I could keep that human away from the pack animals,
Speaker 3: things went great, Things went great. But you know, he's
Speaker 3: like the type of dude who like grabs the lead
Speaker 3: rope and pulls it around with him, and he's like
Speaker 3: the goddamn loma won't sit still, you know, and you're like,
Speaker 3: well you you literally just told it to follow year round.
Speaker 1: Otherwise good though, otherwise great, No stubborn Lama's no spitting.
Speaker 3: No, Honestly, we had They're supposed to like their cruising
Speaker 3: speeds like two miles an hour, right, and I mean
Speaker 3: we did three miles an hour for like eleven miles
Speaker 3: one day, and they crushed it. They were a little
Speaker 3: little pissy because the end of that trail ended in
Speaker 3: like a very steep headwall, and they weren't real jazzed
Speaker 3: about that at the end. But yeah, no, we'll tucker
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, you're telling me before the show
Speaker 1: started you had a little encounter with another hunter. What
Speaker 1: happened there?
Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean, unfortunately, I had many, many, many
Speaker 3: encounters with many many hunters. The trail density this is
Speaker 3: region H, and the human hunter density was just insane.
Speaker 3: Like the the opposite. I would rather have very few animals,
Speaker 3: very low potential, and no people then yeah, so I
Speaker 3: just spent I felt like a ping pong ball being
Speaker 3: bounced around different groups of folks. And it was pretty funny,
Speaker 3: like bump into somebody and they'd be like cow and
Speaker 3: Garrett Smith was film on with me and he's like
Speaker 3: they go to high school with you, you know stuff. It
Speaker 3: was just funny. Everybody was very casual. But yeah, we
Speaker 3: had this is like the question, right, like, what would
Speaker 3: you do. Let's say you get up a little late,
Speaker 3: or you're moving a little slow. You take a nasty
Speaker 3: hike basically straight up two thousand vertical feet. You get
Speaker 3: on top of the ridge, it's already daylight, and you
Speaker 3: see two hunters actively hunting that ridge. What do you do?
Speaker 1: They're like out ahead on the ridge like sort of
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they're like still hunting out in front of me,
Speaker 1: or just moving on the ridge out ahead of me. Yep,
Speaker 1: I would, and well I could go talk to them
Speaker 1: and see what their plan is and then maybe figure
Speaker 1: out a plan B for me.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: You could just turn around, but that'd be tough because
Speaker 1: you just did two thousand feet of some nasty So
Speaker 1: the best thing to do is probably talk to them,
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously give them, you know, first choice
Speaker 1: of where they want to go, and then kind of
Speaker 1: play off with their move. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely one way to go. Brody, what do
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 4: You know, I would probably like, I'm assuming this is
Speaker 4: a spot, like a high country deer hunt. You're gonna
Speaker 4: be looking at a lot of country and it's not
Speaker 4: like you're hunting one draw. It's like you're hunting a
Speaker 4: big area. So you know, if you're there last, like,
Speaker 4: you're kind of screwed as far as far as I'm concerned, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go, Like I might talk to them
Speaker 4: if it's convenient, but just walking up to them you
Speaker 4: might screw their hunt up, right, Like if they're set
Speaker 4: up classing and there's deer around that could screw their
Speaker 4: hunt up, I probably shrug my shoulders and turn around.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The unfortunately, like the biggest stories that I have out
Speaker 3: of this deer hunt are all people stories. Well, Garrett
Speaker 3: set his camera down in a pile of human surface poop.
Speaker 3: That was horrible. There was Yeah, just just like glassing
Speaker 3: in the morning, you'd be like, oh, that person's taking
Speaker 3: a crap. Oh, that person's like you're just seeing people
Speaker 3: in camps and yeah, just just something, really something.
Speaker 1: Did you too bad? I guess you're not sounded like
Speaker 1: you killed a elk or a deer.
Speaker 3: No I didn't. I And you know, like despite all this,
Speaker 3: I did find one big giant buck, as Doug Durream
Speaker 3: would say, and uh and yeah, gotta gotta hunt that
Speaker 3: deer almost without running into people. But that was like
Speaker 3: the really good story of human encounter where I'm in
Speaker 3: this like pee soup thick fog bank and peek over
Speaker 3: this little ridge, big giant buck right there. It doesn't
Speaker 3: work out, but I'm like, okay, that's the only big
Speaker 3: deer I've seen, so I'm just gonna stay on this
Speaker 3: thing's tracks. He's gonna timber up at some point and
Speaker 3: then I'm gonna kill this thing. So for over a mile,
Speaker 3: I stay on this Bucks track and you know, you
Speaker 3: can't really see like you're you're the visibility is nothing
Speaker 3: because of the you're in a cloud bank, right, And
Speaker 3: finally this Bucks tracks turn and bail into this timber
Speaker 3: patch and I'm like, okay, awesome. I start going out
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm like glued to ONEX at this
Speaker 3: point because i don't really even know where the hell
Speaker 3: I am, but I start going down the ridge to
Speaker 3: get below and glass into this timber patch. And as
Speaker 3: soon as I started doing that, the visibility, just like
Speaker 3: the day totally flips like it's blue sky, it's hot.
Speaker 3: And I kind of come out of this little scrap
Speaker 3: of timber down the ridge and there's three dudes just
Speaker 3: straight up walking towards the rim of this little cirque
Speaker 3: right and I'm like, oh my god, this buck is
Speaker 3: gonna blow out of here. And I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 3: don't don't know what to do, and so I throw
Speaker 3: my hands up like this and I whistle and I
Speaker 3: stop those three dudes, and I'm like, I feel like
Speaker 3: a total jackass, and I kind of scoot down there
Speaker 3: as quick as I can, and I just say, guys,
Speaker 3: good morning. I just tracked this huge buck into this
Speaker 3: timber patch up here. I know you're here. I'm not
Speaker 3: laying any claim to this thing, but somebody should kill it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be me, but you're nobody's gonna
Speaker 3: kill it if you go walking out up to the
Speaker 3: to the rim. And all three of those dudes like
Speaker 3: instantaneously are like, well you spotted him, go kill him.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that like restored my faith in humanity
Speaker 3: after the weak plus of bumping into people that I had.
Speaker 1: So it's nice to end on a high note.
Speaker 3: Yep, for sure, Brody, you were in.
Speaker 1: Alaska while Col's in Wyoming.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I got the invite from Steve to do my dream hunt,
Speaker 4: which is a bull moose in Alaska.
Speaker 1: So was that You're like, seriously, you're dream like your
Speaker 1: top bucket list hunt.
Speaker 4: The very top.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, that's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah, we went and did the hunt that
Speaker 4: he's done with your dad with Clay a couple of times,
Speaker 4: went to the same area that he killed his big
Speaker 4: bull last year. There we do what's called a ridge
Speaker 4: top hunt, where there's different ways to hunt bulls in Alaska.
Speaker 4: You can float a river one hundred miles of river
Speaker 4: and move camps every day. You can use the jet
Speaker 4: boat and hit a bunch of different stuff. On bigger rivers.
Speaker 4: We do what's called the ridgetop hunt, where you fly
Speaker 4: in to a high ridge on these little super cub planes,
Speaker 4: land on the ridge and that's where you're gonna live
Speaker 4: for ten days, like you're hunting there and that's where
Speaker 4: you're you're stuck basically, and you know, we've heard some
Speaker 4: some comments about this being like a mentally challenging hunt
Speaker 4: for some people, drives some people nuts. Being stuck there.
Speaker 4: You can't, like, you can't go after a moose that's
Speaker 4: two miles away. It's like, you just can't do it.
Speaker 4: You gotta call them to you.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like bad hunting tactics because you're late,
Speaker 1: you start laying, you're setting.
Speaker 4: Down, and you're just never going to find the thing,
Speaker 4: Like you get down in that thick shit and you're
Speaker 4: never gonna find them, right, So it's you just got
Speaker 4: to bring them to you. Uh So we flew in.
Speaker 4: Can't hunt the first day because you you fly that day.
Speaker 4: Three days I saw three cow moose, no bulls. The
Speaker 4: very actually the very first animal we saw was a
Speaker 4: grizz couple hundred yards away that rolled up the hill
Speaker 4: right to us and stopped at about twenty yards and
Speaker 4: did what it was supposed to do. It spooked when
Speaker 4: it saw us.
Speaker 2: Steve.
Speaker 4: Steve was very bummed that his brother Danny wasn't there
Speaker 4: because he could have killed that bear. But about mid
Speaker 4: morning of day four, I kind of moved away from
Speaker 4: our main glass and calling spot and wrapped around the
Speaker 4: ridge a little bit to get a better look at
Speaker 4: some stuff we couldn't see, and threw my binos up
Speaker 4: and like, holy shit, there's a bull. And he was
Speaker 4: already coming, Like we had he was a little over
Speaker 4: mile away, but he was already. You just tell he
Speaker 4: was walking, thrashing brush, walking, thrashing brush, ran over to
Speaker 4: where Steve and our buddy Matt Cook were sitting, like
Speaker 4: there's a bull, and then it was just kind of
Speaker 4: a way from there. We called. He kept coming. He
Speaker 4: disappeared on us for ten or fifteen minutes, but then
Speaker 4: reappeared maybe eight hundred yards away, and at that point
Speaker 4: it was like he's definitely coming. So like I got
Speaker 4: set up for the shot and all that, and and
Speaker 4: the idea is you're gonna call him right into your lap, right,
Speaker 4: They're just gonna.
Speaker 3: You guys draw straws as to who is, Like, how'd
Speaker 3: you pick who is gonna give the first opportunity?
Speaker 4: Well, Matt Cook generously gave me.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: It was incredibly generous of him to do that. So
Speaker 4: the bulls coming, I kind of get set up in
Speaker 4: front of them. It's you know, it's we're up on
Speaker 4: a ridge. It's gonna be a downhill shot into this
Speaker 4: fairly open flat area. The bulls working through all this
Speaker 4: aspen and dwarf birch and all there. It's real thick,
Speaker 4: like there's no shot. And right before he gets to
Speaker 4: where he's gonna be like clear and in the open,
Speaker 4: he lays down in a pile of brush like he was.
Speaker 1: Like just decides taking out.
Speaker 4: He was a chicken shit like. I think I think
Speaker 4: we made a mistake because we were just cow calling,
Speaker 4: and I think we made a mistake by raking brush
Speaker 4: to figure out. And he laid down and you could
Speaker 4: just barely see his antlers in that brush, like bobbing
Speaker 4: back and forth. He was in there panting because he
Speaker 4: had come a long way. It's pretty quick. I think
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm just gonna wait and see what happens,
Speaker 4: so I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't time.
Speaker 4: It was at least an hour. It could have been
Speaker 4: closer to two. We're just sitting there waiting, and we
Speaker 4: tried everything, dude. We kept calling. Steve actually snuck down
Speaker 4: the hill to get closer to him to call, and
Speaker 4: he just did not budge. At one point we considered
Speaker 4: going in there, and I'm like, that ain't gonna work. No,
Speaker 4: So after a while he stands up and it's a
Speaker 4: very clear he's not coming to us. He's like, I'm out,
Speaker 4: and I got a quick look at his white holes
Speaker 4: through the brush shot once. I think I hit him
Speaker 4: like back in the liver. It was three point fifty,
Speaker 4: and then he turned away from us, and I threw
Speaker 4: a couple more at him, and then at five hundred
Speaker 4: he stopped dead still. I think he was like running
Speaker 4: out of gas. And shot him at five hundred and
Speaker 4: ass over tea kettle. That was kind of just that's,
Speaker 4: as you guys know, just the start of things. You know,
Speaker 4: like he died in a very brushy hell hole with
Speaker 4: no visible you couldn't see ten feet in there, and
Speaker 4: so like I would have loved to have kicked back
Speaker 4: and enjoyed the moment, and like, yeah, your dream hunt,
Speaker 4: take just the animal in, but you can't, like the
Speaker 4: clock's ticking as soon as that thing hits the ground, right.
Speaker 1: You mean, just because you got to take care of
Speaker 1: the meat.
Speaker 4: Take care of the meat, and like a grit is
Speaker 4: gonna find oh oh oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get the meat away from the guts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I shot him about toosh two o'clock. We
Speaker 4: finished cutting him up right at dark. We were only
Speaker 4: able to move the meat forty or fifty yards away
Speaker 4: from the carcass and then.
Speaker 3: We probably out of that brush pocket.
Speaker 4: It was all brush.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: The meat was still in the brush, but we had
Speaker 4: to move it away from because the bear is gonna
Speaker 4: go after the guts first, right.
Speaker 2: We just took a.
Speaker 4: Load, went back to camp, came back the next morning,
Speaker 4: very carefully went in there. There wasn't a bear like
Speaker 4: we would have known if there was a bear on
Speaker 4: the carcass because we were only fifty yards away from it,
Speaker 4: but we couldn't see it. Got the meat out of there,
Speaker 4: moved all that stuff, and you know, continued to hunt
Speaker 4: for a couple of days for a bull for mat.
Speaker 4: But it was, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It's in no way boring or was it psychologically challenging
Speaker 4: for me? I'm like, if you get bored doing a
Speaker 4: hunt in the Alaska wilderness, you should have your head examined.
Speaker 1: Well, you're you're an old guy now, man, So sitting
Speaker 1: in one spot being patient and just looking at it.
Speaker 4: It's hard for me man, it is. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: i'd get that's why I get up and wrap around
Speaker 4: the ridge every half hour or so. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: like the whole idea is trust the process, right, Like
Speaker 4: you got ten days and you just got to like
Speaker 4: believe because we saw six moose and how are many days? Eight?
Speaker 4: Four cows and two bulls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks Alaska is like the land of plenty, and
Speaker 1: is there a lot of game up there? Yes, but
Speaker 1: like per square mile. No, No, it seems like that
Speaker 1: when it was a giant heard of cariboo walking in
Speaker 1: front of you. Yeah, but then there's the other twelve
Speaker 1: or eleven and a half months the year, there's nothing
Speaker 1: on that hillside.
Speaker 4: It was cool leaving camp. You've been with those pile
Speaker 4: They like to get low and buzz cool things that
Speaker 4: they see. And so we're let's fly over the carcass
Speaker 4: and uh, there was a giant grizzly on the carcass.
Speaker 4: And the the when they claim a carcass, they just dig,
Speaker 4: they dig everything up and make a big mound and
Speaker 4: bury that carcass.
Speaker 1: You'll see it is that it right in the beginning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he cleared that entire area like a bulldozer and
Speaker 4: covered that thing up. And he actually was lunging at
Speaker 4: the super cubs as we were buzzing him. What oh yeah,
Speaker 4: like he was pissed.
Speaker 1: Swat that fly right out of the sky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and obviously like really big Barry's got a gut
Speaker 4: full of full of moose in him there, but way
Speaker 4: bigger than that bear that rolled up on us the
Speaker 4: first day.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got it all. Did you? Did Phil
Speaker 1: already have a picture of the bull up? I did? Nice? Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh well, congratulations, thank you. I have one hundred more
Speaker 1: questions for you. But because we got shows live and
Speaker 1: it has a very tight schedule, yeah, we have to
Speaker 1: move on. I'm sorry for everybody else, have more questions
Speaker 1: for Brody, but we got to get to Patrick Barry,
Speaker 1: who's joining us on the line now. He's the president
Speaker 1: and CEO of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers and he's here
Speaker 1: to talk about a high stakes lawsuit regarding public lands
Speaker 1: that's been filed with the US Supreme Court. Patrick, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Although I got to tell you that's a tough fact
Speaker 1: to follow. That was some pretty entertaining stuff right there. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: we're talking about villains and possibly fees now right, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess the way I would frame it
Speaker 7: is that if you love the story you just heard,
Speaker 7: and you love and you love doing that on public land,
Speaker 7: I think anybody out there who cares about that would
Speaker 7: want to know and pay attention to this stuff.
Speaker 3: So what's happening in Utah? Patrick?
Speaker 7: So the there's a long history in the state of
Speaker 7: Utah fighting over public lands, which I think you guys
Speaker 7: are aware, I mean, back country Hunters and Anglers was
Speaker 7: founded on the premise that our public land resources are
Speaker 7: invaluable what they provide to hunters, anglers and a whole
Speaker 7: variety of recreational enthusiasts, and their long history of I
Speaker 7: guess disdain and trying to wrestle control of federal lands
Speaker 7: away from every American who owns them finally got to
Speaker 7: the point where they filed a lawsuit questioning the constitutionality
Speaker 7: of whether the Bureau of Land Management canonna eighteen and
Speaker 7: a half million acres of land within the state of Utah.
Speaker 7: But the implications are go well beyond that. So if
Speaker 7: you have any federal land for service land or refuge land,
Speaker 7: or any other kind of federal land anywhere near you
Speaker 7: that you enjoy that you know, generations of hunters and
Speaker 7: anglers have enjoyed and passed on our heritage, you know,
Speaker 7: from generation to generation. All of that is potentially under
Speaker 7: threat because of the way that this lawsuit has been filed,
Speaker 7: in the language that they're using, and how they're going
Speaker 7: about it. So even though it's a Utah ground zero issue,
Speaker 7: there's the threat goes to every corner of the country
Speaker 7: where there's federally on public land.
Speaker 3: What do you think the intent is, Like, why is
Speaker 3: the state doing this? What's their their plan for that
Speaker 3: eighteen and a half million acres just within Utah.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a there's a big distinction here, I think
Speaker 7: between what they claim their intent is.
Speaker 2: And what actually is going to happen. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you'll listen to.
Speaker 7: The way they talk about it, they say, you know,
Speaker 7: Utah's land be better managed by you know, Utah, federal
Speaker 7: land better management by Utah. It's not their land, it's
Speaker 7: it's land by owned by every American. That's part of
Speaker 7: our legacy that's unique to North America. And what they
Speaker 7: claim is that no, no, no, it's okay. We're just
Speaker 7: gonna take over ownership of this land and manage it
Speaker 7: in the best interest for Utah and we'll keep that
Speaker 7: public land open. But honestly, guys, this is one of
Speaker 7: the most sinister and polished gas lighting jobs that I've
Speaker 7: ever seen, because they actually can't afford to own that land,
Speaker 7: and they would have no choice but to sell it off,
Speaker 7: as they've done with other land owned.
Speaker 2: By the State of Utah.
Speaker 7: They were they were granted at the time of statehood
Speaker 7: seven and a half million acres of federal or state
Speaker 7: trust land, sorry not federal land that was specifically allocated
Speaker 7: to fund their school, and they've already auctioned off more
Speaker 7: than half of that. In fact, you can go on
Speaker 7: their own website right now and you can see more
Speaker 7: parcels that are up for sale for for the highest bidder. So, uh,
Speaker 7: they'll claim that it's uh, they're going to keep it
Speaker 7: in public ownership, but they can't afford it, and they've
Speaker 7: shown from their own history that is not their.
Speaker 3: Intention, and is isn't the lawsuit doesn't lawsuit itself use
Speaker 3: the language of disposal.
Speaker 7: They do, And that's a really good point, cal because
Speaker 7: they talk about land transfer, but the lawsuit talks about disposal,
Speaker 7: and some pretty sharp legal minds on the on the
Speaker 7: good side of this issue believe that the intention actually
Speaker 7: is to pretty much sell all of it. And you know, look,
Speaker 7: if you go back to you know, Jason Chafits, it's
Speaker 7: bill Representative, you know, in Congress from the state of Utah.
Speaker 7: You know, he introduced a bill it's pretty clear to
Speaker 7: sell off three million acre of federal land. So there's
Speaker 7: a pattern here, and there is a belief that, based
Speaker 7: on the way the lawsuit was filed, that the goal
Speaker 7: is just to sell it. But here's the thing that matters, right,
Speaker 7: they're questioning if you look at the lawsuit, they question
Speaker 7: the constitutionality of whether federal agencies can own land in perpetuity, which,
Speaker 7: of course is hey, that's the value of that federal
Speaker 7: land that you know, our kids and grandkids and generations
Speaker 7: you know, can enjoy some of the same things that
Speaker 7: we did. But the clauses in the Constitution that give
Speaker 7: Congress authority over land transfers, it doesn't distinguish between this
Speaker 7: type of land management and this federal agency.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly broad.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't specifically say BLM or US for Service
Speaker 1: or Park Service.
Speaker 7: They'll claim it's about a specific type of BLM land.
Speaker 7: But when you question in the constitutionality of whether the
Speaker 7: federal government can own land and perpetuity, you're questioning whether
Speaker 7: they can own any kind of land under that congressional clause.
Speaker 7: So all six hundred and forty million acres of federally
Speaker 7: owned public land is potentially implicated in this. And that's
Speaker 7: why I you know, I said at the at the
Speaker 7: top of this conversation, you live anywhere near federally owned
Speaker 7: public land that you enjoy for hunting and backcountry adventures,
Speaker 7: you should pay attention to what's happening in Utah.
Speaker 1: Hey, Patrick, what is it about Utah?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Like, why does this stuff continually pop up in Utah?
Speaker 4: You've got you know, other conservative states like Wyoming with
Speaker 4: tons of federal public land where this doesn't seem to
Speaker 4: be as much of an issue.
Speaker 7: Well, it's an issue in Wyoming, for sure, but you know, uh,
Speaker 7: there's Look, there's a long some of this has to
Speaker 7: do with a long history of battles with the federal
Speaker 7: government in general, and the you know, the easiest leverage
Speaker 7: that I think they have in front of them is
Speaker 7: the is a federal landish in Utah. And it is
Speaker 7: also true that you know, seventy percent of the land
Speaker 7: in Utah is is publicly owned land. But you know,
Speaker 7: on one hand, they'll talk about the incredible value of
Speaker 7: having all this land for recreational purposes and all the
Speaker 7: economic activity and everything it brings, and then in the
Speaker 7: very next sentence talk about how it's this huge disadvantage
Speaker 7: and you know, the federal government should known this land
Speaker 7: and Utah should have it. So it's it's just kind
Speaker 7: of baked into the culture over time and these ongoing
Speaker 7: battles with the federal government over a whole bunch of issues.
Speaker 7: And you know, honestly, the craziest thing is how much
Speaker 7: money the State of Utah has just pissed away on
Speaker 7: a bunch of these legal actions trying to get control
Speaker 7: over over federal public land. I mean, this current lawsuit
Speaker 7: at a minimum, is going to cost, by their own acknowledgment,
Speaker 7: fourteen million dollars of Utah taxpayer money. And man, they're
Speaker 7: also spending a lot of money on billboards and advertising campaigns,
Speaker 7: and not just in Utah, but but well.
Speaker 2: Beyond the border.
Speaker 7: So you know whatever that history is and why Utah,
Speaker 7: you know, has a has a great with the federal government,
Speaker 7: and why they've decided to take aim at the at
Speaker 7: federal public ownership. I suppose you'd have to ask the
Speaker 7: folks at Utah. But but the stakes are high and
Speaker 7: it's cost them a lot of money to go down
Speaker 7: this road, and if they don't prevail, man, that's another
Speaker 7: big waist of taxpayer money.
Speaker 1: Where's the best place to stay on top of this issue?
Speaker 1: Just like so you can, you know, watch what's going on,
Speaker 1: and then what should people do if there's any action
Speaker 1: they can take right now?
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great question.
Speaker 7: I mean, listen, we're you know, we bha as you
Speaker 7: guys know is you know, we we lead with inficacy
Speaker 7: for protection of of public land and the opportunities that
Speaker 7: provides for hunters and anglers, and we're going to do
Speaker 7: everything we can to keep folks updated. I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: we're not afraid to jump into fights whether we have
Speaker 7: dedicated funding or not, because we know it's incredibly valuable.
Speaker 2: So we're we'll do the best we.
Speaker 7: Can on our own website to continue to provide updates.
Speaker 7: Really happy to see a lot of other organizations in
Speaker 7: our space or taken interest and and even frankly, organizations
Speaker 7: that aren't connected to hunting and fishing but just outdoor
Speaker 7: recreation in general, I think recognize the threat as well.
Speaker 7: So folks can certainly get involved. I mean, frankly, I
Speaker 7: would encourage folks to call Governor Spencer Cox's office directly
Speaker 7: and tell them to drop the lawsuit that folks don't
Speaker 7: support it. There is a building coalition if this ends
Speaker 7: up at the Supreme Court decides that take this up
Speaker 7: to UH to fight this on legal grounds and and frankly, guys,
Speaker 7: that's going to require support from from folks who care
Speaker 7: about public land and UH and the opportunities they provide.
Speaker 7: So you know, stand formed through you know our website
Speaker 7: backhuntry hunters dot org. Call the Governor's office h and
Speaker 7: tell them to drop this you know BS lawsuit. Make
Speaker 7: sure that you know you support all the organizations that
Speaker 7: are digging in on this effort to UH so that
Speaker 7: we can continue to fight this because out of you know,
Speaker 7: all the federal land issues that have come up and
Speaker 7: all these threats to public lands, this one has the
Speaker 7: potential to have the farthest reaching implications, and uh, you know,
Speaker 7: I think that'd be a concern to to everybody, uh
Speaker 7: who who enjoys the same stuff we do.
Speaker 1: All right, well, keep us up speed if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: and appreciate your time today, Patrick.
Speaker 7: Hey, thanks so much for you guys taking some few
Speaker 7: minutes to cover this issue. It's it's pretty important stuff.
Speaker 7: And you know, in the midst of all the great
Speaker 7: stories that you guys are sharing to you gotta have
Speaker 7: a little bit of uh, I guess, uh medicine with
Speaker 7: with all.
Speaker 2: The sugar, uh, you know, make sure that we got
Speaker 2: places to go down the road.
Speaker 1: That's right. We won't be able to tell any of
Speaker 1: these fun stories that we have without public plans. So
Speaker 1: thank you again. Now we're moving on to tattoos. I regret.
Speaker 2: I've made a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's the whole thing. All ly say that
Speaker 1: because some of the other little sound ups that you
Speaker 1: made are a little bit lost.
Speaker 8: That was the very first one I did for EPISP
Speaker 8: for the pilot episode one, and since then I've kind
Speaker 8: of gone off the rails with my with my weird out,
Speaker 8: my my bea tier weird al covers, uh, which yeah, sorry,
Speaker 8: I really enjoyed. No, that's great, Yeah, I missed weird
Speaker 8: al Well, I've just been doing really bad parody songs
Speaker 8: then changing the lyrics to to sound up these segments.
Speaker 3: You used to have many weird Al cassette tapes.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah nice, Oh yeah, weird Al Yankovic. Today's
Speaker 1: regrettable tattoo comes from Evan Flowers. If you have a
Speaker 1: hunting or fishing related tattoo that you regret, please email
Speaker 1: us at radio at the meat Eater dot com. Says here,
Speaker 1: Phil then pulls up the picture of the tattoo. Here
Speaker 1: we go. Can we zoom in a little bit? Phil slightly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right. Kevin Evan writes in with these details, I
Speaker 1: had envisioned a hunting sleeve when I was young. It
Speaker 1: was going to be a full sleeve of a big
Speaker 1: buck ducks, flying waterfall, bow hunter, all with the sun
Speaker 1: setting in the background. What I got instead is just
Speaker 1: a bunch of quickly lies looked likehing that looked nothing
Speaker 1: like what I pictured in my head. One of my
Speaker 1: friends even says he can see a corn dog in
Speaker 1: the mural, which I haven't found a corn dog yet,
Speaker 1: but I'll keep looking. The tattoo was done in my
Speaker 1: kitchen by a guy who kept nodding off during the
Speaker 1: tattoo process. He did it in two eight hour appointments,
Speaker 1: and I paid him twelve hundred dollars. While in my house,
Speaker 1: he and his girlfriend ate all my food. Later I
Speaker 1: found out he was on meth, had lost his tattoo shop,
Speaker 1: and was only doing home appointments to make ends meet.
Speaker 1: Everything in my bones told me to kick him out,
Speaker 1: but I was young and dumb, and now I'm stuck
Speaker 1: with this on my right arm forever. Luckily, I've learned
Speaker 1: to laugh it off as I've gotten older. Boys. What
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 9: What are you guys seeing?
Speaker 3: I mean, from this distance, it just looks like a tattoo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get like the lack of details hard to
Speaker 4: like comment on.
Speaker 1: But I did see his great big buck on there.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not as bad as he thinks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say, as far as bad tattoos go,
Speaker 8: this this one isn't terrible. But the story behind it is,
Speaker 8: I think, is the raw Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he didn't come away with like hepsi or
Speaker 3: something like that, right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he didn't get it on his like wrapped
Speaker 1: around his neck.
Speaker 3: And even though you were young and dumb, you were
Speaker 3: also you know, loyal to your tattoo artist.
Speaker 1: Right, And you know there's a lot of morals, as
Speaker 1: there always are in these stories. But uh, if you
Speaker 1: are young and dumb and thinking about getting your first tattoo,
Speaker 1: maybe don't start with the full sleeve and maybe just
Speaker 1: like give it a year.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: That's what I always tell everybody, Like, you want a tattoo,
Speaker 1: think about it for an entire year. If you still
Speaker 1: want to get that too, that tattoo, then go ahead
Speaker 1: and get it.
Speaker 3: You have a tatto.
Speaker 1: You have a tattab one. Yeah, it's only maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's three or four inch, uh, like a
Speaker 1: Latvian peg and son on my shoulder. I don't regret
Speaker 1: it has meaning to me, but I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people that do that have regrettable tattoos. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not hunting and fishing related. So I like this
Speaker 1: guy because his last sense is that he's like he's
Speaker 1: learned to laugh it off, you know, so he's not
Speaker 1: letting him get to him. Although his arm is covered
Speaker 1: with ink from his shoulder to his wrist.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when my grandma passed away last year. A bunch
Speaker 3: of the girls in the family m hm. I think,
Speaker 3: fueled by grief and wine, went down got matching tattoos.
Speaker 1: And like, what like a date her birthday or.
Speaker 3: I don't and I think, oh, it's an orchid. Grandma
Speaker 3: used to grow orchids. You know, it can be kind
Speaker 3: of tricky to grow.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was just like, yeah, this guy should
Speaker 1: just be happy.
Speaker 4: He didn't get some life threatening infection during this process for.
Speaker 1: Sure, sepsis, and you know, if he's gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and just keep it sounds like he is. He's not
Speaker 1: saying it. He hadn't said anything about removing it. He
Speaker 1: could just have it touched up, like I mean, there's
Speaker 1: all kinds of people that do work with existing tattoos,
Speaker 1: and he still might be able to have this beautiful
Speaker 1: scene that he once envisioned. He's probably gonna cost him
Speaker 1: twenty four hundred. Now, yeah, thanks for sharing though, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks Savin. All right, if you want to see, uh,
Speaker 1: possibly see your tattoo. Oh no, you can see this
Speaker 1: tattoo on our YouTube channels. If you're just listening and
Speaker 1: our description of it wasn't enough for you, go to
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel and you can see the pictures of
Speaker 1: it there. And uh again, if you have a regrettable
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing tattoo, send it on over to radio
Speaker 1: atthemeadeater dot com. All right, now, we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: little listener feedback.
Speaker 8: What you got, Phil, Yeah, we'll run a little long,
Speaker 8: so let's just keep it short for this. But there
Speaker 8: we're getting a lot of comments about those tomatoes on
Speaker 8: the table, bru if you Yeah, I kind of want to.
Speaker 4: Just I grow some damn good tomatoes, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people of them.
Speaker 8: People want to want someone to take a bite out
Speaker 8: of it.
Speaker 1: We've got so many I can't keep up with them.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now. This is the the Allerton
Speaker 3: Valley is not like the gardener's friend.
Speaker 1: It can be tough, man, But like every year, my
Speaker 1: tomatoes just crush it.
Speaker 4: And now I've got way too many, and I want
Speaker 4: to share the wealth.
Speaker 3: Well, man, he used to give me zucchinis when you
Speaker 3: first moved to town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first year.
Speaker 4: So everyone can grow zucchinis. Yeah, but those are good
Speaker 4: my fresh guards.
Speaker 1: And my family doesn't either.
Speaker 4: I switch to cucumbers. That's way better.
Speaker 1: But what I still don't understand how come you can
Speaker 1: produce this. Yeah, you go to any grocery store in
Speaker 1: Montana or really in the West where I've lived in
Speaker 1: the last twenty some years, you can't get anything that
Speaker 1: kind of resembles the taste of this.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think it's like that with most
Speaker 4: commercially produced.
Speaker 3: Our fruit system is completely broken. We're shipping these things
Speaker 3: hundreds of miles, if not thousands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're picked when they're green, they're ripened artificially, like
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it was so good. And currently in the
Speaker 3: Gallatin Valley we're just plowing under fantastic farm ground.
Speaker 1: For some of the richest soil in Montana.
Speaker 3: Some of the richest soil in Montana. Had it not
Speaker 3: been for that soil, there wouldn't be people here. But
Speaker 3: here we are a crashing it.
Speaker 4: Moving on.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the feedback. Those tomatoes are delicious. Brody grew them.
Speaker 1: You can't get anything like it in a storm. Maybe
Speaker 1: i'd have Farmers Market in North Carolina were tomatoes there, all.
Speaker 3: Right, I'd get my left arm for blt out of
Speaker 3: these things.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 1: Oh, buddy, I've eaten a couple uh from earlier this
Speaker 1: summer that Broy's giving me belts. Yeah, I might go
Speaker 1: home and make one.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: Our next segment is one Minute Fishing.
Speaker 5: Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 2: We'll do you punk, go ahead, make my cast.
Speaker 1: Who saltry tones of tailor. One minute Fishing is where
Speaker 1: we go live to someone who's fishing and they have
Speaker 1: one minute to catch a fish and if they're successful,
Speaker 1: we'll make a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation
Speaker 1: group of their choice. I think usually right this week,
Speaker 1: our angler is, like I said earlier, the one and
Speaker 1: only my dad, Papaiannis, who's on Mud Lake in Michigan,
Speaker 1: which I'll add Brody told me mud Lake is the
Speaker 1: most common lake name in the United States at eight
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety seven mud lakes. My dad is fishing
Speaker 1: for a donation to the National Wildlife Federation. Now, before
Speaker 1: I introduced who you see on camera there right now,
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you how this all started
Speaker 1: with my dad signing up for one minute Fishing. He
Speaker 1: calls me out of the blue. He's not an angler.
Speaker 1: Not an angler. Yeah, So last thing I expect is
Speaker 1: that he's gonna call me and say, hey, man, I
Speaker 1: can for sure catch a fish in one minute. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Oh yeah, right, the one
Speaker 1: minute fishing segment. To me, I'm like, oh, you want
Speaker 1: a little spotlight, you want to get in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. All right, we can do this. So we
Speaker 1: didn't have anybody for this week. I figured, oh, we'll
Speaker 1: give the old man a shot. As soon as I
Speaker 1: told him he's in, he's like, all right, going down
Speaker 1: to the store to buy a fishing rode. So that
Speaker 1: tells you how much of an angler he is. We've
Speaker 1: got my younger brother on the line right now. It
Speaker 1: says poppy honest, but that's actually mating putellis and he
Speaker 1: luckily he's in town golfing. According to my dad, what
Speaker 1: else are you doing while you're there, I've been working, Oh,
Speaker 1: working a little bit, golfing a lot, working on that handicap.
Speaker 1: So Marting. Marting is a professional photographer and has worked
Speaker 1: as a videographer as well. So this is going to
Speaker 1: work out really good for us that you're going to
Speaker 1: be running the camera for dad, because if it was
Speaker 1: just him out there, we wouldn't have a great visual
Speaker 1: experience today. But questionable, all right, what do you think
Speaker 1: the odds are of your dad catching a fish right
Speaker 1: now in one minute.
Speaker 5: Uh, they're actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: I saw some testing out here earlier and it actually worked,
Speaker 1: so okay, I think it might be good. I did
Speaker 1: want to. I want to note, though, if you had
Speaker 1: remembered Brody's story about the moose got me thinking. I
Speaker 1: just saw our first or our first trip together to
Speaker 1: the Brooks Range was ten years ago, just recently. If
Speaker 1: you remember that moose hunt, Yeah, anyway, that was a
Speaker 1: lake hunt. It's kind of the opposite of the ridge hunt.
Speaker 1: You just go to a lake and then don't move,
Speaker 1: except for then we moved a lot and killed it
Speaker 1: way far away. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that too,
Speaker 1: all right, flipper around, let's talk to the poppy honest there.
Speaker 1: All right, so no, no, listen, that wasn't too bad
Speaker 1: at all. I want to hear in your words, what
Speaker 1: prompted you to want to participate in one minute fishing?
Speaker 5: Just to show that old old folks can do it too.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Last week I think that there was a pretty good
Speaker 6: example of that with Pat Durkin.
Speaker 5: And we're just going to continue on that line.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now, when when when is the last time
Speaker 1: prior to today that you've handled a fishing rod?
Speaker 6: Well, as your your brother asked me, like, other than
Speaker 6: fishing with your grandkids, I think twenty years ago, maybe
Speaker 6: twenty five.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true, because we went on a charter
Speaker 1: on Lake Michigan like five summers ago.
Speaker 5: Oh you're right, Oh yeah, but that's not kind. That's
Speaker 5: that's that's like trolling and then then just pulling them in.
Speaker 5: That's right, you're right, that is correct, man. I'm proud of.
Speaker 1: You for knowing the difference that when you're on that boat,
Speaker 1: that grant does all the work you all right, So
Speaker 1: when you when you decided to do this, did you
Speaker 1: have to go down to the local fishing store to
Speaker 1: get some advice on how to catch a fish?
Speaker 6: Well, as everybody knows, you'd explained, No. I just remembered
Speaker 6: that all these things that I had to practice, and
Speaker 6: they were all coming back to me, like when my
Speaker 6: dad was teaching me how to fish, and basically it
Speaker 6: was yeah, don't do this, don't do that. Here's the
Speaker 6: right way to put a worm on. Make sure your
Speaker 6: bobber's shut right, make sure your weights are right.
Speaker 4: What's the right way to put a worm on. Everyone
Speaker 4: needs to know how you put a worm on.
Speaker 1: See that hide that hook, bury that hook in there?
Speaker 5: There you go. Okay, so to make sure it's moving still.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're going with a pretty standard uh bobber
Speaker 1: with the worm and uh you're on your you're on
Speaker 1: your own little dock that you built for the grandkids,
Speaker 1: and uh you're you're you're targeting panfish. I'm guessing you
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 6: Although there are largemouth fast in here in northern but
Speaker 6: uh on the testing they have not come through.
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be panted.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready? We've got a claw here, eagle
Speaker 1: claw with uh big reds.
Speaker 5: You're ready?
Speaker 1: Are you ready? We're ready with the clock is going
Speaker 1: to start on your first cast? All right, all right,
Speaker 1: he's made a cast. The bobbers in, he's closed the bail.
Speaker 1: It's in the zone. We're looking for any twitches now watching.
Speaker 1: If you can zoom in on that bobber, he'd be
Speaker 1: my favorite brother. Oh no, not a bite. He's going.
Speaker 1: He's going for another cat.
Speaker 4: I think he's panicking, don't.
Speaker 5: He a little bit of punk?
Speaker 1: So then a little mother bast Oh oh he didn't
Speaker 1: hit a spot. Don't tangle cantion, the one that lives
Speaker 1: under the dock. Where's the timer?
Speaker 8: He's got about fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3: He got a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Hissed him fifteen seconds. We just need to get him
Speaker 1: on the line in a minute, right he look, that's
Speaker 1: the minute has ended.
Speaker 4: I think he did too much practicing and trained up
Speaker 4: all this little pet panfish.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, well, good, good try. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: It's fun to start a disappoint No, that's all right.
Speaker 1: It's fun to see you with the rod in your hands.
Speaker 1: Maybe this will spur a little more fishing in uh
Speaker 1: in your days.
Speaker 5: I know I'm a disappointment to the meat eater group.
Speaker 1: We'll do better. No, not not, We're not disappointed. That
Speaker 1: was fun. That was fun. Thanks for participating.
Speaker 5: You're welcome.
Speaker 1: All right. A hot tip off, Oh man, it's moving
Speaker 1: so fat.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Hot tip Off is where we played two videos that
Speaker 1: contain advice for hunters and anglers. Then we declare which
Speaker 1: tip was hotter this week. It is Steve Ranella versus
Speaker 1: Steven Ranella.
Speaker 10: Steven Ranella, welcome to another Hot tip Off. Now, in
Speaker 10: the past, people have sized my hot tip offs as
Speaker 10: being things that are too obscure for normal use, right
Speaker 10: like things that don't really pertain to a wide enough
Speaker 10: audience of hunters and angers. So for this hot tip off,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna do something. It's appropriate men, women, children, hippies, stoners, headbangers, partiers, jocks, Southerners,
Speaker 10: something for everybody. Everybody knows. When colin moose, you want
Speaker 10: to use a scapula because it.
Speaker 5: Gives you a good sound. Okay, good breaking it right now.
Speaker 10: Well, typically use a moose scapula, but on one moose hunt
Speaker 10: you might burn through two moose scapulas because they give
Speaker 10: out right here, here's the hot tip. Get yourself a
Speaker 10: buffalo scapula. I sourced mine from north Bridge or Bison.
Speaker 10: You see how I cut down that little bone to
Speaker 10: make it a nicer handle.
Speaker 2: This has got.
Speaker 5: One dead hold to it, the name days of Colin.
Speaker 2: Indestructible.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna hang this from a tree here in moose
Speaker 10: camp that'll be waiting for me next year.
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining.
Speaker 3: Good ship, Steve and Vanilla.
Speaker 10: Welcome to another hot tip off. When you're leaving your
Speaker 10: moose camp and you want your scapulous to be available
Speaker 10: next year.
Speaker 4: Time up in a treat. We did this.
Speaker 10: Last year and something stolen, and so I'm doing it again.
Speaker 4: What are you using scapula for?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 10: For rake and brush or moose hunt? Last year we
Speaker 10: hung fresh ones up in a tree with the meat
Speaker 10: still on them, and they got stolen. This year, I'm
Speaker 10: just trying to hang some dry ones up and hopes
Speaker 10: they'll be waiting for me next year.
Speaker 4: Who do you think you're honest?
Speaker 1: A couple of good tips. I think I like the
Speaker 1: use of the bison and scap you love better than
Speaker 1: hanging it up in the tree.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, yeah, we don't know if the hanging up
Speaker 3: in the tree is gonna work.
Speaker 4: Cow, this piece of dog hair has been on your
Speaker 4: hat all morning and it's really bargaining.
Speaker 1: Life, that's true, and it didn't work last time. The
Speaker 1: only thing, too, that I don't necessarily like about hanging
Speaker 1: up in that, especially a small little tree like that,
Speaker 1: it's gonna see a lot of sun and uh, you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna become more brittle exactly, So, Steve, you'll lose,
Speaker 1: but you also won. Hey, good job, Steve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, loaded the deck, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Joining us U. Next right now on the line is
Speaker 1: logger white Seep who owns Old Northwest Timber and Habitat.
Speaker 1: He's calling us from my deer hunting property in Wisconsin
Speaker 1: where he's on day three of logging it. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you for me, it is like Christmas. I was
Speaker 1: introduced to Wyatt through Doug Dirt about two years ago
Speaker 1: when I acquired the property and needed a logger due
Speaker 1: to our managed forest law plan which required to cut.
Speaker 1: Due to the smaller size of the property and my
Speaker 1: custom needs around the project, finding a logger was difficult.
Speaker 1: Most logging companies are interested in only logging, not building
Speaker 1: wildlife openings, access roads, fire brakes, flash file explosures, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Old Northwest Timber and Habitat specializes in exactly this. Now
Speaker 1: that the work has finally commenced, I am beyond ecstatic.
Speaker 1: Like if you've never been in this position, it's just
Speaker 1: hard to relate. But baby, oh my gosh, man, I'm
Speaker 1: so fired up. So why welcome to the show, buddy.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: Guys? What's going on there right now? And don't say
Speaker 1: where you're exactly out. I'm trying to keep my little
Speaker 1: located there is as private as possible. But in central Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got you going down.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 11: Kind of like you said, we kind of do everything
Speaker 11: right from we can utilize you know, all tools right
Speaker 11: down from a backpack sprayer to this harvester that I'm
Speaker 11: sitting in right now, and uh, in a minute, I'm
Speaker 11: gonna show you what exactly is a timber harvester and
Speaker 11: how we're using it.
Speaker 1: Cool. You want to start with that or you want
Speaker 1: to get in on that. Although loopold quote quote, you
Speaker 1: were telling me that you thought might kind of sway
Speaker 1: Steven Ranella to being a little bit more pro my project.
Speaker 11: All right, I can start off with that, okay. So yeah,
Speaker 11: due to the seventy fifth anniversary of the Saint County Almanac,
Speaker 11: I was reading it a little bit earlier and I
Speaker 11: thought this would pertain to your situation with Steve a
Speaker 11: little bit out of Chapter thirteen of the Sand County Almanac.
Speaker 11: Although Leopold says, I have read many definitions of what
Speaker 11: is a conservationist and written not a few myself, but
Speaker 11: I suspect that the best one is written out with
Speaker 11: a pen, but with an axe. It is a matter
Speaker 11: of what a man thinks about while chopping or deciding
Speaker 11: what the chop. A conservationist is one that is humbly
Speaker 11: aware that with each stroke he is writing his signature
Speaker 11: on the face of his land. Signatures, of course, differ
Speaker 11: whether written with an axe or pen, and this is
Speaker 11: as it should be.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. That makes me feel
Speaker 1: really good about what I'm doing. I'm hoping, see Steve's listening.
Speaker 11: Forestry in general is real situationally specific. You know, sometimes
Speaker 11: it can be nice and cute and other times it
Speaker 11: can be really messy. But the important thing is that
Speaker 11: you've got a really solid plan going into it.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: And like you were showing me yes yesterday, Wyatt sent
Speaker 1: me a little video of he was just walking through
Speaker 1: the woods and showing me just not quite a carpet
Speaker 1: but kind of a loose carpet of two foot tall
Speaker 1: oak seed links. And so I've got my regeneration already started.
Speaker 1: And so when he cuts now, it's just gonna release
Speaker 1: those suckers and they're gonna go straight to the sky.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see what the what the harvester does.
Speaker 5: All right, guys, I'm gonna turn you around.
Speaker 11: Hopefully I can get this in in the film here.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm real interesting, man. Is a side
Speaker 3: by side comparison of who gets to run the backpack
Speaker 3: sprayer versus who gets to run the harvester. That looks
Speaker 3: like a pretty fancy machine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's like something out of Mad Max.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at two wheels of this machine. I
Speaker 1: can tell you because I've seen the whole thing. There's
Speaker 1: six giant tires. And then this must be the head
Speaker 1: that just came off the ground. Okay, that's cutting head.
Speaker 2: It can open up.
Speaker 11: I've got rullers here that moves the tree back and
Speaker 11: forth so I can cut it.
Speaker 2: It also takes log.
Speaker 11: Measurements, and then it's got a hydraulically saw right there,
Speaker 11: and that's what can cut the tree in bucket plans.
Speaker 11: So I'm gonna cut a jack line right now.
Speaker 1: Oh not that one. I want to save that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just kidding, just kidding, cut all right.
Speaker 11: So now that we've caught it, this thing has a
Speaker 11: computer in it that measures log lines. I'm making pulp
Speaker 11: wood right now, which is one hundred inches.
Speaker 1: Holy moly. Yeah, it's like wow, measuring it, stripping all
Speaker 1: the bark and the limbs off of it, and then
Speaker 1: cutting it at one hundred inches and holy count you
Speaker 1: just made like five or six hundred inch logs in
Speaker 1: less than thirty seconds. Nope, go for number two. I
Speaker 1: pick these two grads are at the bottom, cuts it
Speaker 1: off and then just starts working up at one hundred
Speaker 1: inch increments. I love it. It's gonna be messy, man,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are gonna come and look
Speaker 1: at it the first two three maybe in five years
Speaker 1: and gonna go, oh, you destroyed this place. But man,
Speaker 1: I have total faith at five years from now, they're
Speaker 1: gonna go, dude, can I come hunt and sit there? Uh,
Speaker 1: because there's just deer all over the place, you know why,
Speaker 1: real quea and just.
Speaker 11: To put a little plug into you know, as far
Speaker 11: as young forest goes, oftentimes it's ugly, especially at first,
Speaker 11: it can be pretty ugly. But there's a lot of
Speaker 11: wildlife species other than deer that are you know, that
Speaker 11: need it, the rough grouse being one of them. Like
Speaker 11: you alluded to, we're in the central third of the state.
Speaker 11: There's still some rough grouse up here. Due to uh,
Speaker 11: poor soil quality. There's not quite as much farmland. A
Speaker 11: lot of that's being managed for timber. But when you
Speaker 11: get down to the where Doug and I come from.
Speaker 11: There's really not much grouse to speak of where there
Speaker 11: used to be, you know, and that there's a lot
Speaker 11: of different reasons for that. But you know, having old
Speaker 11: trees is really important, but having young trees is really
Speaker 11: important too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're leaving some of the old ones. So hey, man,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for taking the time and showing
Speaker 1: us around a little bit. This is mostly just for me.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed it too, but I'd drive
Speaker 1: Wyat crazy because I would just be checking in with
Speaker 1: him every ten minutes to see what he's cutting and
Speaker 1: what you got going on. So thank you for that.
Speaker 1: We'll let you get back to it. Man, have a
Speaker 1: great day.
Speaker 2: You too. Man, it was great chatting with you guys.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Wytt.
Speaker 3: You didn't talk about the fact that you really got
Speaker 3: to knock the piss out of those white tailed deer
Speaker 3: if you want those oaks to grow up?
Speaker 5: Oh dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we again, very tight schedule in this show. We
Speaker 1: can talk about that sometime. We have a why and
Speaker 1: I kind of throw Silver Culture podcasts back and forth
Speaker 1: with each other with each other, which is again something
Speaker 1: I thought i'd never listened to is a silver culture podcast,
Speaker 1: but I just listened to one. We have a big
Speaker 1: issue with a lot of this stuff in the southern
Speaker 1: half of that property is what they call unmerchantable timber.
Speaker 1: It's just too small, too skinny. But I don't want
Speaker 1: it growing there anymore. I need to get it done.
Speaker 1: So we kind of landed on how to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Was just going to be built huge slash piles, like
Speaker 1: literally the size of a house, and then this winter
Speaker 1: burn them, okay, and just get rid of it. But
Speaker 1: it costs money to make the pile. It costs a
Speaker 1: time of money to go there and burn them. Just
Speaker 1: listen to one where they're doing these basically deer exclusions
Speaker 1: using the slash. So they build a wall twenty feet
Speaker 1: wide ten feet tall, and you make the exclusion how
Speaker 1: big you want. It could be all forty acres, it
Speaker 1: could be five acres. The smaller you get, you're sort
Speaker 1: of taking up almost too much space by the wall
Speaker 1: itself and not getting the center big enough to make
Speaker 1: it work. Diminishing return, yeah, yeah, but compared to because
Speaker 1: some places like Pennsylvania a very popular thing to do.
Speaker 1: And again this is going towards oak regeneration and preventing
Speaker 1: deer from eating seedlings is they actually go in there
Speaker 1: and put up fences to keep deer out so they
Speaker 1: can get these oaks going. And so this is sort
Speaker 1: of a natural way to do it. You put up
Speaker 1: basically a big giant slash pile. Everything on the inside
Speaker 1: can't get touched by the deer. And I think they said,
Speaker 1: like a fence can be like five six bucks a
Speaker 1: foot and doing this slash exclusion pile you can get
Speaker 1: it down to like a dollar dollar fifty a foot. Wow,
Speaker 1: and then it just disappears. Every year it goes down
Speaker 1: by ten percent and like ten twelve years into it,
Speaker 1: like it's almost non existent. Inside you've got you know,
Speaker 1: these growth hopefully that you've been looking for itself.
Speaker 4: I'm sure service as wildlife habitat for little critters.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. What they said was amazing is that the
Speaker 1: only thing that that really keeps out is the deer.
Speaker 1: Everything else, turkeys, raccoons, possums, and grouse they just fly
Speaker 1: right over and get in there and use it.
Speaker 3: It is like a funny like you know, like down
Speaker 3: to lodge pole, lots of just down timber areas, like
Speaker 3: if you have a zone that you like to hunt
Speaker 3: because those are good refuge areas because they're they're hard, Like,
Speaker 3: not a lot of people go there to hunt.
Speaker 1: But I have a.
Speaker 3: Couple of spots where it's like you catch yourself thinking, like, boy,
Speaker 3: this used to be a lot harder, and it's not
Speaker 3: just an old man thing of like, oh I walked
Speaker 3: to school uphill both ways.
Speaker 1: It actually did it was worse. Oh yeah, right because
Speaker 1: increasing in heighth Yeah, because that timber breaks down and
Speaker 1: gets closer and closer and closer to the ground.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to have your finger on that pulse
Speaker 1: man to do that, because yeah, and those when those
Speaker 1: things first get started, like after a burn, it sucks.
Speaker 1: Oh I did some log hop in this weekend. Worn out?
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for everybody for what's the word when
Speaker 1: you're like not that into it, but like you give
Speaker 1: somebody else, uh suffering through no.
Speaker 4: No following along?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not either of the indulging me. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for indulging me and my timberwork over there
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Next, this is the news segment, I think.
Speaker 1: Uh Phil's Trivia.
Speaker 8: Welcome to Phil's Trivia, the only game show where I
Speaker 8: always win. I'm your host, Phil the Engineer, and today
Speaker 8: we are joined by Jannis Putellis, Ryan Callahan and Brody Henderson.
Speaker 8: This is a three round quiz show with questions that
Speaker 8: have little or nothing to do with meat eaters, four verticals,
Speaker 8: and instead of being senator or instead will be center
Speaker 8: around pop culture, entertainment or whatever the hell I feel
Speaker 8: like asking Frankly, and there's definitely not a prize. And
Speaker 8: for the stat of the week this week, today, September
Speaker 8: twenty sixth, marks the release of a new Legend of
Speaker 8: Zelda game, the Legend of Zelda Echoes of Wisdom, which
Speaker 8: is the twenty first mainline entry in the franchise. I
Speaker 8: already have it downloaded onto my switch and we'll be
Speaker 8: diving in later tonight. And hey, if you're interested in
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Speaker 8: company's dime, please write into radio at the meateater dot com.
Speaker 8: If we get three or more emails asking for a
Speaker 8: certain type of project or a pitch for an idea,
Speaker 8: we legally have to do it. That's just company policy.
Speaker 8: And for this week's housekeeping, I just want to call
Speaker 8: some anxiety in the room about questions that I will
Speaker 8: be asking. It would be no fun for me to
Speaker 8: just roll in here and ask you guys a bunch
Speaker 8: of questions that I know you wouldn't know the answer to.
Speaker 8: So rather than ask you to recite the recipe of
Speaker 8: a nineteen forty four trader vix my tie to the
Speaker 8: quarter ounce, I have prepared three questions that I believe
Speaker 8: are very accessible, and I think there's a solid chance
Speaker 8: that one of you goes three for three?
Speaker 1: Could you recite this?
Speaker 3: My Thai rest Phil? The original My tie is actually
Speaker 3: very simple. I learned this from Phil.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 8: Crazy, It's like I just won't shut up about the
Speaker 8: same things all the time. Uh, Joannis, No, I could not.
Speaker 8: Actually I can tell you the ingredients, but not not
Speaker 8: the recipe to the quarter ounds. But you know, I
Speaker 8: think I think Brody, you frankly surprise me. We'll talk
Speaker 8: about movies sometimes and you bring up something that you've watched.
Speaker 8: You seem like you're kind of a pretty religious watcher
Speaker 8: of things, like whether it's like HBO shows or come out.
Speaker 4: It all depends, Phil, like some stuff sure, like thirty
Speaker 4: year old Jim Carrey movies. No, oh yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I like I like to watch a movie
Speaker 4: now and then.
Speaker 8: Yeah right, well, I wish you all good luck today.
Speaker 8: Let's see where are we in the script man Spener,
Speaker 8: this is hard. The Adrian index this week is one
Speaker 8: point five, meaning our winner should get I don't really
Speaker 8: have any idea actually, and with that, we're onto the
Speaker 8: game of trivia.
Speaker 1: Play the drop me power resides where men believe it resides.
Speaker 1: It's a trick, a shadow.
Speaker 7: On the wall.
Speaker 10: I'm very engaged game now, and the great games terrifying.
Speaker 8: Okay, let's see. It's the first time I've ever done
Speaker 8: trivia this way. Let's see here.
Speaker 1: I'm entertaining that are we doing this?
Speaker 4: Are we like as far as answering, Phil, that we
Speaker 4: got a question one?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, we don't have any whiteboards, you know what?
Speaker 8: Just tell me, yeah you want to grab some white boards?
Speaker 8: Career really quick. I'll go ahead and ask the question
Speaker 8: first question number one. The topic is not quite public lands.
Speaker 1: Here's one for you.
Speaker 8: Musician Jackson Brown wrote in nineteen seventy two about quote
Speaker 8: standing on a corner in this Southwestern American city.
Speaker 1: Oh got this one, Phil, I think.
Speaker 8: Ready everybody's writing everyone's ready. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 8: like to hear. Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers.
Speaker 8: We have Giannis saying Winslow Arizona, cow and Brody both
Speaker 8: saying Winslow Arizona. Holy crap, everyone got it right, but
Speaker 8: not from Jackson Brown. Well here's my uh follow up
Speaker 8: facto at time.
Speaker 2: Brody.
Speaker 8: Despite being made famous by the Eagles in the same year,
Speaker 8: the song take It Easy was initially written by Jackson
Speaker 8: Brown with the intention of it being part of his
Speaker 8: debut album. After hitting a wall and finishing the song
Speaker 8: that was only partially written, he played a rough version
Speaker 8: for his neighbor and Eagles guitarist Glenn Frye quote, I
Speaker 8: showed him the beginnings of that song and he asked
Speaker 8: if I was going to put it on my record,
Speaker 8: and I said it wouldn't be ready in time. He said, well,
Speaker 8: we'll put it on. We'll do it because he liked
Speaker 8: it for fry put the finishing touches on the song,
Speaker 8: and it went on to be the first track of
Speaker 8: the Eagles debut album, and was later recorded by Brown
Speaker 8: himself and released as a part of his second album,
Speaker 8: For every Man. That's good trivia, Phil, that is thanks.
Speaker 8: That's beat And see how you guys feel about that beast.
Speaker 8: The next question, question number two. The topic is woodsmanship.
Speaker 8: Bat guano and sulfur are the two components needed to
Speaker 8: cast the fireball spell in this role playing game that
Speaker 8: is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary this year.
Speaker 1: Oh, Brodie's having to think a little bit.
Speaker 4: I listened to the question, but I didn't read it.
Speaker 1: The only reason I'm knowing I'm gonna know this one
Speaker 1: is because of the fiftieth anniversary and it's been on
Speaker 1: the radio a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I tried to provide some context clues. It's part of it,
Speaker 8: you know, making it accessible. How are we doing?
Speaker 1: Everyone's ready?
Speaker 8: All right, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have
Speaker 8: Yannis saying D and D, Cal saying D and D.
Speaker 8: Brody saying D and D. Everyone's got a perfect game.
Speaker 8: The answer is Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 3: I was like, when did computer games start?
Speaker 8: First published in nineteen seventy four, Dungeons and Dragons was
Speaker 8: developed by Dave Arnison and Gary Guy Gaxon was a
Speaker 8: notable departure from existing tabletop games of the era, which
Speaker 8: were largely centered around military units and conquest as opposed
Speaker 8: to individual characters on a quest. The game's mechanics, which
Speaker 8: are based around four to twenty cited dice rolls to
Speaker 8: determine the outcome of a character's actions, went on to
Speaker 8: be the blueprint for Japanese role playing video games that
Speaker 8: would in turn inspire role playing game design the world over.
Speaker 8: Actual play streaming shows such as Critical Role and Dimension
Speaker 8: twenty featured plotlines on shows like Stranger Things and Freaks
Speaker 8: and Geeks, as well as admitted celebrity players have made
Speaker 8: Dungeons and Dragons more popular than ever in recent years,
Speaker 8: with over one hundred and fifty hours million hours of
Speaker 8: D and D gameplay being viewed on Twitch and YouTube
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty alone.
Speaker 3: All Vince Vaughn's big D and D guys.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's kind of a secret Hollywood D and D club. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and he's a part of it. Tom Morello from Rage
Speaker 8: Against the Chim Yeah, yeah, Stephen Colbert is.
Speaker 3: A big player.
Speaker 8: Well, you guys are doing are doing great. I wanted
Speaker 8: to make you feel good. We'll see how this last
Speaker 8: question goes. I do have a tie breaker, so I
Speaker 8: think and I think we might need it. Question number three,
Speaker 8: The topic is cooking. In the two thousand and four
Speaker 8: film Sideways, Paul Giamatti famously declares that he is not
Speaker 8: drinking any fing blank, a popular grape variety. Callok's confident,
Speaker 8: Jannis looks confident, Brody looks confident. Holy col go ahead
Speaker 8: and reveal your answers. He's not drink drinking anyfing Murlau.
Speaker 8: That is correct way to go gang. Because of its
Speaker 8: use as a standalone variety as well as a popular
Speaker 8: grape and blended wines, Merleau is the most widely grown
Speaker 8: grape in the Bordeaux Bordeaux wine regions of France. After
Speaker 8: the release of the film Sideways, the Western United States
Speaker 8: saw two percent decline in Merlau's sales that resulted in
Speaker 8: a noticeable fall of its price. However, the most significant
Speaker 8: ripple effect of the film was its effect on pino
Speaker 8: noir sales. Gmad's characters character Miles favorite wine, which jumped
Speaker 8: by sixteen percent in the Western US in the following years.
Speaker 8: A study in the Journal of Wine Economics, co authored
Speaker 8: by eight staff members from UC Davis, argued that the
Speaker 8: spike in demand of pino noir caused wine makers to
Speaker 8: plant the grape in less than suitable climates, causing a
Speaker 8: long term negative effect on the quality of pino noir
Speaker 8: in the country.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody recently, and some wine person.
Speaker 1: They were saying that Merlow still hasn't recovered the sales
Speaker 1: in that movie.
Speaker 8: And I played a clip from the Project Grizzly, just
Speaker 8: like a video clip in the background, and we got
Speaker 8: dinged for it. I don't have a video clip, but
Speaker 8: I do have an audio clip of this quote.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and hear that.
Speaker 4: Do not sabotage me.
Speaker 2: If you want to be a lightweight, that's your call,
Speaker 2: but do not sabotage me.
Speaker 3: Oh my, I cap you got it.
Speaker 5: And if they want to drink Merlow, we're drinking Merlow.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: If anybody orders Melow, I'm leaving. I am not drinking
Speaker 3: any Marlow.
Speaker 2: Kay, Okay, relax, Miles, Jesus no mere Low.
Speaker 4: Did you bring your xanax.
Speaker 3: Love that movie?
Speaker 8: Well, here's the thing, gang, we're going to a tiebreaker.
Speaker 8: I don't have a special sound up or anything. I'm
Speaker 8: just gonna ask the question. And I asked my wife
Speaker 8: the lovely Adrian Taylor to come up with my tiebreaker question.
Speaker 8: So it is a numerical question, and here it is.
Speaker 8: According to a study in an article published on puzzlehobby
Speaker 8: dot com, what is the average amount of puzzle pieces
Speaker 8: that are actually in the box of a jigsaw puzzle
Speaker 8: advertised to have one thousand pieces? What the answer is
Speaker 8: not one thousand?
Speaker 5: Hm?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, and really quick, guys, because of the sound
Speaker 8: effects I'm playing on the computer, I had to change
Speaker 8: them settings on my soundboard. So I apologize that you
Speaker 8: all just heard that more low quote, probably twice in
Speaker 8: a weird echo situation on the live stream.
Speaker 1: I'll fix that in the podcast.
Speaker 3: There's more bang for their bucky thank you.
Speaker 8: That's that's the framing I'm looking for. Does everyone have
Speaker 8: an answer? Yeah, all right, I'm happy go ahead and
Speaker 8: reveal your answers. We have Giannis saying one thousand and
Speaker 8: two pieces, cal saying one thousand and five, Brody saying
Speaker 8: nine hundred and ninety. The correct answer is one thy
Speaker 8: twenty six pieces, making Ryan Callahan our winner.
Speaker 1: Good job.
Speaker 8: Hell and anyway, I don't have like like a cool
Speaker 8: fun outro or anything. I just want to thank you
Speaker 8: in the bottom of I wrote a little victory speech
Speaker 8: Phil's trivia.
Speaker 1: That's great, Phil, thank you, Oh of course, my pleasure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. You're making us feel, you know,
Speaker 1: like we actually know something about pop culture. Yeah, real hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though that one question was from before I was born.
Speaker 1: Listener Feedback, we're gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 8: Here, Phil Listener feed We got some great questions that
Speaker 8: came in today really quick. I just want to say
Speaker 8: someone asked for tips about getting his daughter excited about
Speaker 8: the outdoors, and we had a ton of people just
Speaker 8: respond to him in the live chat, giving him tips,
Speaker 8: things to do, ways to frame things. So thanks guys
Speaker 8: in the live chat. But first one is for cal
Speaker 8: How do lamas stack up to other pack animals.
Speaker 3: Well, they carry less weight and they move slower. Would
Speaker 3: be like the two broad negatives. If they step on you,
Speaker 3: you're probably not gonna break a toe. So they're they're
Speaker 3: a gentler beast to be around. They're not in it
Speaker 3: for affection. Don't get thinking that they're gonna end up
Speaker 3: loving you after a week. They can definitely hold their
Speaker 3: footing on some steeper terrain than conventional stock.
Speaker 1: Uh, and I've got you know for either, do.
Speaker 3: You well, that's a little bit of a miss.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they they are a browser there. The
Speaker 3: more you look at them, the more time you spend
Speaker 3: with them, you're like, that's a dinosaur. So they can
Speaker 3: find They'll eat tree bark, they'll eat pine needles, They'll
Speaker 3: they'll eat a bunch of things. But just like any
Speaker 3: animal out there, they go for the good stuff first
Speaker 3: and then they'll they'll go get get the other stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're definitely like a little heartier here and there,
Speaker 3: but definitely something to consider real easy. I've known bo
Speaker 3: Baity at Wilderness Ridge pack lamas or trail lamas for
Speaker 3: i mean more than a decade and this is the
Speaker 3: first time I've ever actually rented any lamas from them,
Speaker 3: and they were awesome. They're they're great.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to have a life threatening wreck on
Speaker 4: a steep trail with them either, like you could with.
Speaker 3: You're not you know, we we had like a couple
Speaker 3: of blow ups that would never be considered a blow
Speaker 3: up in the horse mule community, right. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: they're definitely like more family friendly. There's fewer dangers out there.
Speaker 3: And then the babies there at w r L will
Speaker 3: w rt L. They have an online course these days
Speaker 3: that will get you up to snuff and the answers
Speaker 3: a ton of questions and and it really is valuable,
Speaker 3: so uh yeah, check them out.
Speaker 8: Right on, Brody m M. Did your Alaska hunt live
Speaker 8: up to expectations? And what was the best part?
Speaker 4: Oh, it exceeded expectations for sure. Like, I know this
Speaker 4: is gonna sound hokey, but the best part was like
Speaker 4: me and Matt and Steve had like a lot of laughs,
Speaker 4: Like like getting the moose was like, yeah, I'd have
Speaker 4: been bombed if I didn't get one. Probably like everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm innute for the experience. I don't care about getting
Speaker 4: an animal. I wanted to get a bowl bad. But
Speaker 4: the laughs that we had, like constantly over the course
Speaker 4: of more than a week were super cool.
Speaker 2: Right on.
Speaker 8: I'm just kind of a big question, cal You can
Speaker 8: tackle as much of it as you want. But last question,
Speaker 8: in your opinion, how do you feel about the Montana
Speaker 8: block management system in comparison to other states. It's a
Speaker 8: question from Adam.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think block management is awesome. You know, none
Speaker 3: of these systems doesn't matter if it's like wehaw so sorry.
Speaker 3: Block Management is a private land public access program completely voluntary.
Speaker 3: Landowners can can sign up with the state and then
Speaker 3: they get compensated by use. Basically, the more people who
Speaker 3: show up, the more money that they get. Every one
Speaker 3: of these programs, Montana's is thirty years old, started in
Speaker 3: one place and now it's at a different place because
Speaker 3: you know, it's got to change with the time so
Speaker 3: that you can make more money in block management than
Speaker 3: you used to be able to make. But it's a
Speaker 3: system that will will never be perfect. But I'll tell
Speaker 3: you right now, the opportunities that you get on these
Speaker 3: private land public access programs are are absolutely fantastic, and
Speaker 3: it weighs on every single hunter who participates. So you
Speaker 3: have got to sign up where you're supposed to sign up,
Speaker 3: pick up other people's trash, be respectful, don't drive on
Speaker 3: wet roads. And one thing that I don't think a
Speaker 3: lot of people consider. When a lot of these areas
Speaker 3: are only open to foot traffic, you can't drive in there.
Speaker 3: That's not because they want people to have a harder time.
Speaker 3: That's because they're really nervous about fire and invasive weeds, grasses,
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So they're trying to increase their bottom
Speaker 3: line on that family property. This is another opportunity for
Speaker 3: them to do so, but they're they're trying to maintain
Speaker 3: that healthy forage for their livestock.
Speaker 4: So, like i'd jump in and say, as far as
Speaker 4: the examples that I'm familiar with, like the block Management
Speaker 4: program is like the star, like the scale of it,
Speaker 4: the ease of using it compared to some other states
Speaker 4: like Colorado, for example, ranching for wildlife, Like you've got
Speaker 4: to apply to hunt there. There's not a lot of
Speaker 4: places enrolled in it. It's very hard to get on it.
Speaker 4: Like block Management in Montana is like a prime example
Speaker 4: of you know, private land access.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then WEEHAW in Kansas would be another, like
Speaker 3: very very good program. So yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 4: On, thanks guys, thank you jump.
Speaker 9: In for a second. There are a ton of people
Speaker 9: shouting out pill tons of D and D fans in
Speaker 9: the chat as well, and a lot of people saying
Speaker 9: that they want you Phil to host an upcoming episode
Speaker 9: of trivia, So maybe maybe that'll happen.
Speaker 8: Bring will bring the fastballs for that one ten questions. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm sorry about that echo, guys. I feel like a
Speaker 8: real a real schmuck is amateur hour. But yeah, uh,
Speaker 8: thanks for thanks for putting up with it.
Speaker 3: All good you got you got a lot of leeway there, Bud.
Speaker 1: Thanks yea? Yeah, all make mistakes film all right? Two
Speaker 1: final notes. Next week is white Tail Week a meat Eater,
Speaker 1: meaning we'll be bringing you our best white tael content
Speaker 1: as well as some great deals on whitetail gear. The
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Speaker 1: Monday at the meeteater dot com. Also in honor of
Speaker 1: Whitetail Week, the crew for next week's live show will
Speaker 1: be reviewing Escanaba in the Moonlight for the Meat Eater
Speaker 1: Movie Club. If you want to join in on the discussion,
Speaker 1: you can stream that Jeff Daniels classic on Amazon Prime,
Speaker 1: tob or Roku TV go root for the Buckless uper
Speaker 1: Have you watched that one yet?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't need to.
Speaker 1: You don't know when?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 3: Well, because it sounds like I need to do some
Speaker 3: drugs in order to watch it.
Speaker 1: Oh who said that?
Speaker 3: Everybody I've talked to? H? Can I throw in one
Speaker 3: one more thing here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, just to touch back on this Utah public
Speaker 3: Land situation, it is so bizarre to me that people
Speaker 3: are like, oh, the Feds. The reality is is we
Speaker 3: are the Feds. This is America. It is a government
Speaker 3: for the people, by the people. If you aren't participating,
Speaker 3: you have chosen to put your head in the sand
Speaker 3: or you know, between your butt cheeks and an orifice. Right,
Speaker 3: you have the ability to weigh in on this stuff.
Speaker 3: We always change the federal government changes. You need to
Speaker 3: weigh in and be active. That's why groups like backcountry
Speaker 3: hunters and angry exist. If you're a part of any
Speaker 3: other group, you should tell them that they need to
Speaker 3: weigh in on this situation. Right, these giant public lands,
Speaker 3: we talked about two public land experiences that Brody and
Speaker 3: I just had. We're going to be out on public
Speaker 3: land a bunch more. This stuff needs to stick around,
Speaker 3: and it's really up to us whether it does or not.
Speaker 3: So weigh in. Start at the state level. State representatives.
Speaker 3: Talk to your legislators. You can call any government office, okay,
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter if you have some sort of
Speaker 3: degree in politics or policy. If you're turning a wrench
Speaker 3: or doing anything, you're spending money on public lands, that
Speaker 3: is your voice. You say, hey, my name's this. My
Speaker 3: family does this every year. This stuff is super important
Speaker 3: to me. That stuff needs to stick around. Your voice
Speaker 3: does matter. You gotta way if you choose not to,
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear you, bitch. Thanks Gil, Call
Speaker 3: to action.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 8: Oh and speaking of a Call to action, Spencer would
Speaker 8: like to remind you that you're on next week's episode,
Speaker 8: so you have to watch Escanaba in the Moonlight.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, everybody, We'll see you next week.