Speaker 1: Yah yah.
Speaker 2: H h h h m hmm.
Speaker 3: Our guest is ready to join us your lifetime. You'd
Speaker 3: like to do your intro.
Speaker 4: Elijah Burn couple of down because now I'm mad Instagram?
Speaker 5: You mount you my friends? Elijah Hi, honey.
Speaker 1: Hey, what is going on?
Speaker 5: Are you giving me the eyes already?
Speaker 1: Who got you with that? Girl?
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's people being cheap on social You got
Speaker 3: me high.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking about Instagram and people being cheap
Speaker 4: and not buying stuff and not being able to post links.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody wants stuff free these days.
Speaker 5: I know it. I know it, but it's lovely to
Speaker 5: see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to apologize. You know, we got
Speaker 2: the ten minute ruler wrestling Freddy.
Speaker 4: Well, it's eleven minutes for you. So you will get
Speaker 4: the little slap on the wrist when I see you
Speaker 4: next time. I saw my man twice lest I saw you.
Speaker 5: What you got your coffee?
Speaker 1: And that's what happened.
Speaker 2: You got me scared with your message from Twitter, and
Speaker 2: so I was like, let me get everything together, and
Speaker 2: I tried to make sure I have my cup of
Speaker 2: coffee and I spilled it because I was rushing.
Speaker 5: Are you kidding you spilled your dunkin Donuts with the lid, not.
Speaker 2: The duncans all now, so I spilled my other coffee
Speaker 2: that I made because I can drink coffee all day.
Speaker 4: May I just say, your skin looks amazing. I I
Speaker 4: thought I was looking kind of tan, and now with
Speaker 4: him on the screen, I look as palace Casper. I'm
Speaker 4: really I'm really angry.
Speaker 5: I saw you a couple of weeks ago and Fort Wayne,
Speaker 5: which was a delight. What did you think of that?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: That crowd?
Speaker 1: It was different.
Speaker 4: It's Indiana, you know, it's Fort Wayne, not indian Indianapolis.
Speaker 5: It's Fort Wayne, which is like this big.
Speaker 2: Looks very forgotten part of uh, you know, Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I'll say so, yes, it was great.
Speaker 2: It's always great just because you get the h The
Speaker 2: crowd was interesting, but certainly having all of you guys there,
Speaker 2: and you know.
Speaker 1: Anytime I see you, I just freaking lose it.
Speaker 5: So I have what is that?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 5: Does it go back to our first encounter?
Speaker 2: Fake e C dub know it goes not not not
Speaker 2: not w W e c W know it goes it
Speaker 2: goes back to the Sunshine Network and and and Chad
Speaker 2: just let me first, allow hope to say what up?
Speaker 2: Because Franny, You know, when me and Franny get in
Speaker 2: the right it can be it can be one hundred people,
Speaker 2: it could be thirty of the boys.
Speaker 1: Nothing matters at that point in time.
Speaker 3: It's just like I'm not even here.
Speaker 1: I just not.
Speaker 3: I'll laugh, I'll throw it a quip here and there, Oh,
Speaker 3: I see the pusic.
Speaker 1: I'm not here. But uh, it goes back to the
Speaker 1: school Shine network.
Speaker 2: Like I told you originally during w W E c W,
Speaker 2: you know, I was I was, I was man that
Speaker 2: I was in high school and maybe a little beyond
Speaker 2: or before that, and I'm watching you and I gotta
Speaker 2: say you upside down was always my favorite position.
Speaker 1: Uh, the pile driver Tommy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so when you know that is the memory
Speaker 2: one of the memories that always stays in my head
Speaker 2: is him putting you up for the pile driver. But
Speaker 2: then just the queen of extreme, you know, coming through
Speaker 2: that curtain and through the interest way, and and when
Speaker 2: you're in there, you just got there's something that was
Speaker 2: always so innocent. There's nothing like a bad girl that
Speaker 2: comes across innocent.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. I am Bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she had that whole innocent girl vibe even
Speaker 2: though she was presented and played this vicious, you know,
Speaker 2: extreme queen that she was. And I just always dug it.
Speaker 2: I always dug her.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We just watched the clip of her jumping over a
Speaker 3: table onto Paul Hayman, so that wasn't very reserved.
Speaker 2: And and and the one thing that I each when
Speaker 2: I'm doing some holding seminars and teaching now in the
Speaker 2: Fighting Evolution wrestling in Miami, Florida, I wish we had
Speaker 2: that type of realism I should say, uh today with
Speaker 2: the women, I don't.
Speaker 1: And this is a credit to you, and.
Speaker 2: And uh Beulah McGillicuddy and and all the you know,
Speaker 2: the other main stays that was there when I saw
Speaker 2: you guys go at it.
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman been such an evil genius. He is in
Speaker 1: his own way. He knew how to present a cat fight.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see women try to be men
Speaker 2: and a wrestling ring.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see It's okay. I understand when there's.
Speaker 2: New day and age women are athletic, they can do this,
Speaker 2: that great, But when I want there's nowhere in the
Speaker 2: world when you are on.
Speaker 1: The street and pops from the streets.
Speaker 2: Okay, when when when women go at it, there's hair pulling,
Speaker 2: there's hair tugging.
Speaker 5: Like a real fight.
Speaker 2: Where's a real fight, And you guys presented that at
Speaker 2: times with the sex appeal as well. And I remember
Speaker 2: in my backyard. I remember my backyard of my home,
Speaker 2: my mom's home, dad's home.
Speaker 1: There was a cat fight going on. We were in
Speaker 1: the one to watch it.
Speaker 2: You know, the the g strings are all out who
Speaker 2: they are fall falling out that you.
Speaker 1: No, there was fighting over another dude, but it was
Speaker 1: in my backyard.
Speaker 4: Well, I I thank you for the compliments. We're not
Speaker 4: here to talk about me. I want to talk about you.
Speaker 4: And so you mentioned Paul. I'm jumping ahead a little
Speaker 4: bit because you've been wrestling before two thousand and six.
Speaker 4: But what was your relationship like with Paul in the
Speaker 4: Fake E C.
Speaker 1: Dub?
Speaker 5: Did you get to work with him a lot? There?
Speaker 1: I did work with Paul.
Speaker 5: It was the fake E C.
Speaker 1: Double can't Yeah, we just call it w W E
Speaker 1: C W. That's that's our you know, that's your originals.
Speaker 4: Call it the fake there you go, Yeah, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: no disrespect to anyone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I worked with Paul.
Speaker 5: Paul Paul is was.
Speaker 1: And will probably always be a genius.
Speaker 2: And and and by genius, it doesn't necessarily from my
Speaker 2: take on Paul, it doesn't necessarily mean that all of
Speaker 2: his ideas are just money and great and no, no, no,
Speaker 2: genius means the worker in him, Paul, and you probably
Speaker 2: got more of it than I. But Paul is a
Speaker 2: freaking work. Paul can talk the flesh off of a skeleton.
Speaker 2: Paul Hayman, you know, Paul Hayman can convince you that
Speaker 2: there's life after death, and he can convince you of
Speaker 2: heaven the hell, and then he'll could miss you that
Speaker 2: hell's the better place to go to.
Speaker 4: We always said, he will tell you the sky is
Speaker 4: green and the grass is blue, and you'd be like,
Speaker 4: yes it is, because that's he.
Speaker 5: Just has that gifted gab.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: People, people always told us that we were like zombies.
Speaker 4: We did whatever, like puppets. They called us puppets. We
Speaker 4: would he was the puppet master and we were his
Speaker 4: puppets and stuff. But it was we believed in our
Speaker 4: products so much that we wanted to believe that what
Speaker 4: he said was gospel, right, It wasn't that oh we
Speaker 4: drank the kool aid. I hate that expression, but that's
Speaker 4: that's another thing that was always out there. You guys
Speaker 4: were so stupid because we weren't getting paid at the time,
Speaker 4: you know, but we were just so hopeful that something
Speaker 4: would click and that the company would be saved and
Speaker 4: whatever Paul told us was going to come true, which
Speaker 4: it didn't.
Speaker 5: But you know, we were his soldiers.
Speaker 1: So that was the bond. That was the you know,
Speaker 1: you guys were they.
Speaker 2: Out cast quote unquote promotion even from a fan watching
Speaker 2: like myself.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys were the little edge, and that could.
Speaker 2: Every time I thought about the c W, I thought
Speaker 2: about that Christmas story, Uh, with the Christmas Missives.
Speaker 4: Toys, the Island of the Misfit Toys. That's what we
Speaker 4: called ourselves.
Speaker 1: That and that's how that's how I envisioned, uh.
Speaker 2: And it took somebody like Paul, you know, to to
Speaker 2: make it work. As far as pushing and encouraging you
Speaker 2: guys and motivating you guys. He he tried to bring
Speaker 2: that same aspect to w W E c W as well.
Speaker 2: Sure it was only one problem, Uh, it wasn't his
Speaker 2: show true and problem, you know. So so so there
Speaker 2: were times when Paul can get you by yourself and
Speaker 2: motivate you. I remember when they sent him down to
Speaker 2: ob W and and and and you know when they
Speaker 2: took him just W. You know, so they sent him
Speaker 2: down the old b W de Vince and I and
Speaker 2: I was working with him there before I got you know, uh,
Speaker 2: when they sent him down demoting him for SmackDown. So
Speaker 2: I worked with him in OBW before he went back
Speaker 2: up to e c W. And I remember Paul coming
Speaker 2: in and he's like, he just I want you to
Speaker 2: go out there and just preach.
Speaker 1: Just there. There are your congregation, there are your people.
Speaker 1: Go talk to him, go beat you and and and
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 5: You know, you got the hands down pat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, he's a great motivator.
Speaker 5: Yeah he really is. He really is.
Speaker 4: So you you you were digging e c W as
Speaker 4: a kid, Did you always know you wanted to be
Speaker 4: a wrestler, like from.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, now now you're talking about e c W.
Speaker 2: I'm digging you, guys because even when I went into
Speaker 2: law enforcement, uh straight out of high school, I went
Speaker 2: to there.
Speaker 1: I was an officer for ten excuse for five years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and so when I came home, uh here
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, I come home, it's you know, midnight. I
Speaker 2: may have had my raw or you know, night show
Speaker 2: may have had that recording on the VCR, and by
Speaker 2: the time I get done with my shower and stuff,
Speaker 2: I may have fast forward and watch what I wanted
Speaker 2: to watch. Guess what's coming on at one or two
Speaker 2: am in the morning on the.
Speaker 5: S we had the worst time slots.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: I stayed up to watch it. You guys are coming
Speaker 2: on on the Sunshine net Work at freaking one and
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, right out anyway, So okay,
Speaker 2: let me sit here and watch it. But n w
Speaker 2: A man, And that's that's the other flip side. I
Speaker 2: grew up watching loving n.
Speaker 1: W A, and and here I am. N n w
Speaker 1: A had the opportunity. Dusty Dusty was my guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody knows Dusty Rose, Yes, everybody knows his influence
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to work with him hands on
Speaker 1: in WWE.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: I remember when I walked in there with my suitcase
Speaker 2: and here comes the dream walking down, you know, through
Speaker 2: the corridor, and I just freeze I'm right by catering
Speaker 2: I freeze to come to Dream. I'm like, Okay, what
Speaker 2: am I going to do? What am I going to say?
Speaker 2: How do I react? How do I respond? So as
Speaker 2: he got near me, I go, hey, Dream, Elijah Burd,
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you. He goes, put that hand out
Speaker 2: the way. Boy, I know all about you.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah you and now we're gonna make a lot of
Speaker 1: money together.
Speaker 2: And yeah, So to watch this guy to be influenced
Speaker 2: by this guy, you.
Speaker 1: Know, we didn't have.
Speaker 2: Any black heroes at that time in wrestling, have any
Speaker 2: black world champions? Dustin Rose was the closest to a
Speaker 2: black world champion that a black.
Speaker 5: Guy had because of Sapphire.
Speaker 1: Oh we're talking rap. He had it.
Speaker 3: He had it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he said when he's when he said, your
Speaker 2: hand reach out right now, your hand.
Speaker 5: Talked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're missing a point. Though.
Speaker 2: Dusty was like a Southern Baptist. Yes, and you've been
Speaker 2: from up where you are, you probably wouldn't get that.
Speaker 2: You know, it probably wouldn't resonate with you the way
Speaker 2: that it does with us down here, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So yeah, so Dusty had that and not
Speaker 2: just that he was charismatic. Dusty was influenced by Muhammad
Speaker 2: Ali as well, you know what I'm saying. So he
Speaker 2: took a lot of Muhammad Ali's rap and applied to
Speaker 2: his game.
Speaker 5: Okay, I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: I'm too sweet, babe power.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, you took all that stuff from a Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we resonated with dust Rose, the American dream, the
Speaker 2: common man. We resonated with the fact you know that
Speaker 2: he the whether you're black, whether you're white, you're big
Speaker 2: and small.
Speaker 1: We we got it.
Speaker 2: And Dusty just had that connection, not just with one race,
Speaker 2: but with everybody.
Speaker 5: Everybody, brought everybody together.
Speaker 1: That's why he's so beloved. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And he taught me the figure four because I
Speaker 4: had to do it too. We worked a program with him,
Speaker 4: and uh, it was I think it was me Dreamer,
Speaker 4: somebody else. I can't remember. Oh maybe Terry funk I
Speaker 4: I don't remember. And it was no, it was me,
Speaker 4: It was dust and Dusty, But then it was Korea. Yeah, No,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it was we baby case. So is there
Speaker 4: three of us against Corino, Jack Victory and somebody else.
Speaker 4: But we all did the figure fours in the ring.
Speaker 4: And I had to give it to Steve Carrino. So
Speaker 4: before the show, Dusty took me in there let me
Speaker 4: do it to him a couple of times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was so cute. He says, honey, you
Speaker 5: do it better than I do.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't think so, but thank
Speaker 4: you anyway. But he was great to work with and
Speaker 4: he was such a doll.
Speaker 2: And then he was the guy that when I got
Speaker 2: up there, as I said, I remember, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I've never had a problem talking.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They brought me in, actually they brought me up. I
Speaker 2: was going to be a member of the Spirits squad.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know this news flash.
Speaker 5: You heard it here first.
Speaker 3: Man, that was a big deal because that was, yeah
Speaker 3: that I remember that highly speculated back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to be a member of the
Speaker 1: Spirits squad. It was Bence McMahon's idea.
Speaker 2: My dear, we're gonna make a lot of money, a
Speaker 2: lot of money.
Speaker 1: I didn't take the offer. I declined.
Speaker 5: Everybody's telling you you're gonna make a lot of money, though.
Speaker 1: And everybody gave me a lot of hell, a lot.
Speaker 4: Of Wait a minute, you decline this McMahon tells you,
Speaker 4: I want you to be on the Spirit and you say, no, sir,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 5: Is that career suicide.
Speaker 2: In a way, that's what a lot of people thought. Okay,
Speaker 2: but but but here's the thing with Vince. He clearly
Speaker 2: told us it's my idea. I'm riding on my jet
Speaker 2: and I say to myself, what can And all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I thought male cheerleaders. Everybody hates cheerleaders. He said,
Speaker 2: So this is not from the writing team. He's he's
Speaker 2: talking to us like this. It was only four of us.
Speaker 2: Not it wasn't five. It was four me, Ken doone, uh,
Speaker 2: Nick Niman and Nick Mitchell. That was the four original
Speaker 2: for the Spirit Squad says, I don't want you to
Speaker 2: do it if you not comfortable with it. But I'm
Speaker 2: telling you immediately, you're finna make the most money you've
Speaker 2: ever made in your life.
Speaker 1: And those guys did. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm an athletic black guy, but and I
Speaker 2: know I was going to stand out. I know I
Speaker 2: can work, and I was the only black guy, so
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to stand out, and I
Speaker 2: was not comfortable going out there and put your in
Speaker 2: a male cheerleader. And to those guys credit, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not finna be running down, jumping off with a
Speaker 2: trampoline and over the top rope and killed myself either.
Speaker 4: So you think the gimmick was too silly or too
Speaker 4: corny for you, I mean, did you aspire to be
Speaker 4: something bigger that that too? Uh?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 2: It was goofy, but it was gonna again. He put
Speaker 2: money in front of us. It was a goofy gimmick.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking career longevity, okay, where you know I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here for a minute. I
Speaker 2: want to have a career. I want to have a
Speaker 2: twenty plus year career and and be one of the greats.
Speaker 2: And I didn't see that as I saw it as
Speaker 2: a money making right now opportunity.
Speaker 1: But it was not something.
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody talks about the Spirit Squad today and
Speaker 2: they had they had lined multiple Biger views with this
Speaker 2: mcmon Immediately they second Vince McMahon when he fought Sean
Speaker 2: Michaels and god they went and won the title. They
Speaker 2: defeated and are lost to Rick Flair Roddy Piper. The
Speaker 2: guys were all over the place doing everything with Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon d X. But once it was done, they put
Speaker 2: him in a crate. Literally literally they put him on
Speaker 2: a crate.
Speaker 5: Come to it end.
Speaker 2: But still and that's and so they came to an end,
Speaker 2: and Elijah Burke began.
Speaker 5: Did you get heat for saying?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Of course?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 5: How long? Did I mean? Was it like?
Speaker 1: How long?
Speaker 2: One of the one of the top guys up there
Speaker 2: at the time, and and legend dairy and you know,
Speaker 2: I won't.
Speaker 1: Say his name now because I gotta save it.
Speaker 4: From a book, Okay, but you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know I was actually sharing this story with two of
Speaker 2: my good friends, Christmasters and JTG right behind you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was sharting when we were talking. And when we're
Speaker 2: in developmental, they pull you and have you drive to
Speaker 2: shows that were within hours of driving, you know. So
Speaker 2: like we were in Louisville, so I think it was Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: So we had to go to Cincinnati and or maybe Tennessee,
Speaker 2: but I believe it was Cincinnati hour and a half away.
Speaker 2: So and got there and asked customary. All the young
Speaker 2: guys got to go shake the main guy's hands, you know,
Speaker 2: certainly the main guy.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, thank you thank you for being here. Whatever.
Speaker 2: And I go to one of the guys not tak her,
Speaker 2: obviously not taking her, go to shake.
Speaker 1: His hand and then he goes, all right, okay, hey.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm like, yo, what's going on? And he's like,
Speaker 2: you said no? O, like like what you need? You
Speaker 2: said no? You said no, and you're still here. A
Speaker 2: lot of people don't get taken chances and you're still here.
Speaker 1: Like what hell? Dustin Roses over there? This is like
Speaker 1: it's fourth run. What do you mean.
Speaker 5: Yourself?
Speaker 1: Wait where you're smart too.
Speaker 3: There's two things in there that that are kind of funny.
Speaker 3: So you were replaced by Mitch in the Spirit squad,
Speaker 3: who had nothing to do.
Speaker 1: No, I don't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 3: No, no, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was replaced by two guys. It went from four
Speaker 2: guys to five guys. I was replaced by Johnny Jeter.
Speaker 3: And okay, okay, so Mitch was already in the lineup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So me saying no opened the door for the
Speaker 2: and they thanked me. You're lost, but they thank me.
Speaker 3: The other point was that when they threw him in
Speaker 3: the box, they threw a stamp on the side of
Speaker 3: it that says back to.
Speaker 2: O b W. Well, yeah, and only two of those
Speaker 2: guys survived momentarily that was Kende, who still to this day.
Speaker 1: But certainly then he was such a young prodigy.
Speaker 2: Uh maybe didn't have the might skills that Vent's like,
Speaker 2: maybe didn't have necessarily. Look, the boy just was I
Speaker 2: love Kendo. He is a athletic guy. And and he
Speaker 2: they tried to give him a little singles run and
Speaker 2: and and then Dolph.
Speaker 5: Ziggler, he's still kicking?
Speaker 1: Who was still kicking? He went down, He stayed in
Speaker 1: the territory.
Speaker 2: He went left from OBIW and got a new life,
Speaker 2: went to f c W at the time, which is
Speaker 2: down at Florida.
Speaker 5: To Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 2: He just he stuck it out, reinvented himself, died his hair,
Speaker 2: got the dogs. Sigler character and his talent could not
Speaker 2: be denied, even though even to this day is suppressed.
Speaker 2: You probably don't even know that the man's a former
Speaker 2: world champion.
Speaker 5: Oh I knew that to do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, they don't even acknowledge.
Speaker 4: But I understand what you're saying. But for me, like
Speaker 4: listening to your story, like I always had respect for you,
Speaker 4: because I mean, we've been friends for a while, and
Speaker 4: I admire your work and everything. This makes me respect
Speaker 4: you so much more because you don't hear a lot
Speaker 4: of people say no, I'm not gonna do that because
Speaker 4: they're so scared of like losing their job or being
Speaker 4: blackballed from the business. So you had the balls to
Speaker 4: tell Vince McMahon, I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Respect actually absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean that takes a lot of courage. So kudos
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I tell people, include some of
Speaker 2: the guys that I've been in the ring with. You know,
Speaker 2: I was officer for five years. I boxed for three years.
Speaker 2: I got a record of one old I got I
Speaker 2: lost one time. I only lost one fight in my life. Okay,
Speaker 2: So from a fighting standpoint, I always tell people, uh,
Speaker 2: don't get it twisted.
Speaker 1: Don't fuck with me, you know, because I will mess
Speaker 1: you up. I don't have a problem.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't have to get I didn't get
Speaker 2: the bullying. If you will love a JBL you know
Speaker 2: those stories are yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Because I just read Justin Roberts book, right holy.
Speaker 4: He gave me the book three years ago, but I
Speaker 4: just read it on the plane wing because I forgot
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: To be honest, you won't be getting.
Speaker 4: Read right away seriously, but it's I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: sad story because Justin's one of the nicest people out there,
Speaker 4: and to read about the hazing and the bullying, like
Speaker 4: we had a discussion before, I don't understand why this
Speaker 4: needed to be done. I can understand if you're being
Speaker 4: an asshole to somebody and this is going to be
Speaker 4: the way that they you know, they get you back
Speaker 4: for it. But if you're a nice kid and you're
Speaker 4: doing your job and you're respectful and you're a good
Speaker 4: work why do you have to be hazed like that?
Speaker 2: I think it was just a culture of wrestling at
Speaker 2: It's just like it was very much so, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was a college atmosphere. We won't even talk about you.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but I'm glad you didn't have
Speaker 5: to go through all of that.
Speaker 2: Well. I mean, where I'm from, we say something like
Speaker 2: I wish up, would you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: A person like you wouldn't have taken that, of course not.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you can't walk around with
Speaker 2: your your butt cheets clinched, you know, because when you
Speaker 2: clinch your butt cheeks. Yeah, well, well, when you clinch
Speaker 2: your butt cheets, your pants, your shorts, your skirt, your
Speaker 2: material is going to get caught up in between the cracks. Therefore,
Speaker 2: everybody knows your butt cheets or clinch. Analogy there is
Speaker 2: you just got to be loose.
Speaker 1: Oh if you just said if.
Speaker 2: You stay loose, but there's no challenge, there's no there's no.
Speaker 1: There's no encouragement to try to go up in there,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: But when when you clinched and it's tight, it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I got to get up in that right there.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm learning so much today, right, And.
Speaker 1: So that's what you did that.
Speaker 2: They did that to those who walked around with their
Speaker 2: you know, and they were just two uptight and whatnot.
Speaker 2: It's more so as a I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: justice issue. I'm not I'm not justifying anything because I
Speaker 2: haven't read that book. What I'm saying is I know
Speaker 2: that even in my days of coming up, you know,
Speaker 2: we did the same thing, not to a bullying degree.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna sell a joke to a guy to
Speaker 1: see how they take the joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's breaking up, you know, that's you know, breaking
Speaker 2: the ice all the other stuff. I got in the
Speaker 2: ring with Bob Holly as soon as I got up there.
Speaker 2: We're in Australia or New Zealand, whichever it was. We're
Speaker 2: doing the SmackDown.
Speaker 1: Oh my, got my phones along.
Speaker 2: We're doing the SmackDown ECW sorry, smack Down e CW.
Speaker 1: Tour and we got this huge battle roll with SmackDown
Speaker 1: and Raw at ec way And this is my first
Speaker 1: time in the ring with Bob Holly.
Speaker 2: You know what I did as I as as that
Speaker 2: Battle Royal starts, I fight my way over to Bob
Speaker 2: Hawk and I said, Bob shop me. Bob was beating
Speaker 2: up someone and he stops and goes and then the
Speaker 2: guy just leaves.
Speaker 1: He's like what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just leaves and and Bob freezes and he goes,
Speaker 2: what I said, chop me, And he goes all right,
Speaker 2: and he puts me in the corner and he gives.
Speaker 1: Me a chop.
Speaker 2: Right, it wasn't his best chop, but I sold it
Speaker 2: like a million dollars. And then I tried to leave
Speaker 2: and he goes come back and he gets another chop,
Speaker 2: so I tried to go the other way. He grabs
Speaker 2: me again. You know those uh you know the scaffold
Speaker 2: things that they have around the.
Speaker 1: Rings with the lights when you're Yeah.
Speaker 2: I climbed up and the whole out place pop. Now,
Speaker 2: now you may ask, well, why did you do that?
Speaker 2: It was because I was him. Know I can take
Speaker 2: what he gives me. I'm not afraid of him.
Speaker 5: Right and afterwards did he come up to you?
Speaker 1: It was he loved it. He loved it. I know
Speaker 1: him all over the place.
Speaker 2: I was gonna pull over time and dreamer and stances
Speaker 2: issues up today. But he was my favorite E c
Speaker 2: W guy. But going back to to the bullying aspect,
Speaker 2: Bully Ray Okay, yeah, I told you, Papa, go in
Speaker 2: the woods, but I'll come back.
Speaker 5: Out where were going.
Speaker 1: Billy Ray comes to t NA. Okay, and him and
Speaker 1: and and uh mh, I'm a top babyface there. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do a six man tag.
Speaker 2: They got their student Jesse and Neal with them, and
Speaker 2: I'm with Homicide and Matt Morgan, but uh the other
Speaker 2: Hernandez thank you sir. So all three of us are
Speaker 2: going to take on those two. Those three, I get
Speaker 2: tagged in Bullyard. This is my first time in the
Speaker 2: ring with Bully Ray, we lock up, we do a
Speaker 2: little something something, I think, but it all came down
Speaker 2: to that. No, we didn't even lock up. We still
Speaker 2: face to face and the crowd is chatting.
Speaker 1: Spampinpin.
Speaker 2: You know what Bully Ray did. He slapped the piss
Speaker 2: out of me. You know what I did?
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh no, I.
Speaker 1: S I shoot double legged.
Speaker 5: Him, Oh you did? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: And I punched him right on top of his eye,
Speaker 2: one good punch. Well, I'm all look at that point,
Speaker 2: I'm three to four years professional and professional professional on TV.
Speaker 1: I know how this works.
Speaker 2: But you know when I double legged him and I
Speaker 2: hit him, I didn't. I mean I didn't again, nothing hard,
Speaker 2: but I hit him.
Speaker 1: You know what he was.
Speaker 2: Doing when I was on top of him, he was saying,
Speaker 2: you know what because he was seeing where I was.
Speaker 1: He was testing me. After it was over with, look
Speaker 1: what you did to my eye? You sell them a beat?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: I love he loved it.
Speaker 2: He's like I wish I could get other people to
Speaker 2: react to, you know, emotionally respond accordingly. Right. I didn't
Speaker 2: stand there and wait for him to say, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what we're going to do after you just slapped
Speaker 2: the pists out of my mouth. No, I'm coming at you.
Speaker 2: He rolled out, and then we resigned.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's how you do it.
Speaker 5: That's how you do it.
Speaker 4: Well, now let me take it to today because you
Speaker 4: mentioned n w A and you were blowing it up.
Speaker 5: Sir.
Speaker 4: Oh by the way, he had to tell me in
Speaker 4: Fort Wayne that he was the main event. Forgot to
Speaker 4: mention that, I said, I said, hey, you working tonight?
Speaker 4: Just very innocently main event, I said, because we start
Speaker 4: sure where you were on the park, you know?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, it was It was more.
Speaker 2: Like in the room now with old friend and when
Speaker 2: she sees Pop, everything is Pope being sexy, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Is that what it is? No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, main event, which meant that, and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh wow.
Speaker 7: So long you know, Like I was like to go too, yeah,
Speaker 7: said I said, well, I'm not booked on that, and
Speaker 7: the main event is going to go on at twelve
Speaker 7: pm later.
Speaker 4: Tell us about n w A. Now, how did you
Speaker 4: get involved? Did you reach out to Billy? Did they
Speaker 4: reach out to you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Okay, what happened?
Speaker 1: I was I was sitting right here, okay here but home, and.
Speaker 2: I was watching the first season of n W A
Speaker 2: Power And again we're talking coming full circle as a
Speaker 2: kid sitting watching n W eight Power Hour and watching
Speaker 2: Dusty player Arn and the TV title that I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm the sixth longest reign in the world television champion
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 5: History, not the seventh, but the sixth.
Speaker 1: Six.
Speaker 2: It means a lot because you got you got Tudy
Speaker 2: Blancher at number one. Excuse me, Paul Jones at number one,
Speaker 2: Tudy blanche at number two, Mike Rotundo at number three,
Speaker 2: On Anderson number four, Steve Auston at number five.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm proud of that.
Speaker 5: You should be. And by Mike Rotundo is my mom's
Speaker 5: favorite wrestler.
Speaker 1: Just want to let you know.
Speaker 5: He's so cute and my mom's ninety one years old.
Speaker 5: Oh go ahead, please continue.
Speaker 1: So anyways to I'm watching n W A Power.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing this, you know, one hour show on YouTube
Speaker 2: and I'm just the only wrestling show and I do
Speaker 2: my podcast post Point of View with Elijah Burke.
Speaker 1: I'll get you on there soon.
Speaker 2: But I'm watching and I'm like, man, this is entertaining.
Speaker 2: This is wrestling. It's not all the skits and all
Speaker 2: of It's just wrestling the way that I remember wrestling
Speaker 2: being with a new school feel to it. It's old
Speaker 2: school wrestling with a new school feel. It's wrestling. And
Speaker 2: you'll get a dive maybe on the pay.
Speaker 1: Per view here and there.
Speaker 2: You know, you ain't getting all the over the ropes
Speaker 2: and crazy. It's just wrestling. I loved it, and it
Speaker 2: was entertaining so much entertaining that I would sit and
Speaker 2: watching the commercials. The commercials were entertaining really okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: because the commercials were their own in commercials, which were
Speaker 2: which was ridiculously funny.
Speaker 1: The city.
Speaker 2: You know, they would have like I'm Madam Ruby, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, get to w a power, I reach your future.
Speaker 4: Like a flashback to whatever year it was they were recreating.
Speaker 1: No, they just created. They created it in an old school.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Right. It was great, and so I'm a fan. I'm
Speaker 1: watching it.
Speaker 2: It's the only wrestling at the time that I can
Speaker 2: sit and watch one without fast forwarding, without losing my
Speaker 2: attention span.
Speaker 1: And after the first season, I got a call from
Speaker 1: n W A say hey, and I'm like hey, like
Speaker 1: you know hey.
Speaker 2: They're like like so, uh, you're tied up or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, h what do you think have you
Speaker 1: seen it? I'm like, yeah, I'll watch you guys. I
Speaker 1: love it. What do you think about coming to join us?
Speaker 4: No problem?
Speaker 1: Crazy part.
Speaker 2: It happens all the time, much like with WWE when
Speaker 2: I was bought in. I was bought in to be
Speaker 2: the mouthpiece for semester turcaie girl, I'm the interview when
Speaker 2: you bring popol, you got somebody that can just talk.
Speaker 2: I need the falls and let you pitch your stuff.
Speaker 1: But I came in.
Speaker 2: I came in with Sadesta Turkai to be his mouthpiece,
Speaker 2: his manager, okay, and then they're like, we're gonna put
Speaker 2: you in the ring. We're gonna put him outside the range. Sure,
Speaker 2: the same thing here I go to NWA. I'm just
Speaker 2: the mouthpiece. I'm supposed to be the manager, and somehow, someway,
Speaker 2: they always find a way to get me back in
Speaker 2: the ring because.
Speaker 5: They know how talented you are.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: And I mean if you sucked, you'd still be on
Speaker 4: the outside and with the microphone.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I appreciate that. That's what happened.
Speaker 2: I was a manager and COVID hit like, look, we
Speaker 2: want you to back in the ring.
Speaker 1: And now I got a.
Speaker 2: After having that fantastic run with the World Television Champion
Speaker 2: or the championship, now I have the opportunity to become
Speaker 2: the second black man in the seventy three year history
Speaker 2: of the n WA to become the world's heavyweight champion.
Speaker 5: That's very exciting.
Speaker 1: That's mind boy going to me.
Speaker 4: So when is there a pay per view coming up
Speaker 4: that you want to plug or what's going on?
Speaker 2: Well right now next week October twenty fourth. I don't
Speaker 2: know when you guys listen to this, but we're going
Speaker 2: to be an Oak Grove, Kentucky. We're going to be
Speaker 2: doing especially being an Oak Growth Kentucky WA by enemies necessary.
Speaker 2: I won't be taking on one of your friends' sons.
Speaker 2: Kobe Corrino.
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, yes, So.
Speaker 1: I'm you know Kobe Carino.
Speaker 2: He's young, Like I said, he's he's brash, he's ahead
Speaker 2: of his class.
Speaker 1: Give him the whooping that Steve Corrino should have.
Speaker 5: Put on him. Okay, iby ever since he was a baby.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and a good good kid.
Speaker 5: He's a good kid and funny quick story.
Speaker 4: Steve used to bring him on the road sometimes, and
Speaker 4: we'd be in the locker room, you know, and he'd
Speaker 4: be he is a little like one two years old,
Speaker 4: and I don't know why he was naked.
Speaker 5: But Colby was naked and he came over to me
Speaker 5: and he put his penis on my shoulder. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: I said, hey, now, son.
Speaker 4: He just started cracking up, laughing, and Colby was laughing
Speaker 4: and uh, I don't know. I think i'd put a
Speaker 4: towel around the resulting. But they started young. No, and
Speaker 4: now look at him. I remember when Kobe put his
Speaker 4: penis on my shoulder, and Sadman also did that when
Speaker 4: he was drunk in Pensacola, Florida.
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, you know how many
Speaker 2: people wish they were Kobe Karino at that time.
Speaker 4: I just said excuse me a little one. And then
Speaker 4: with Samy and I I didn't even sell it. I said, sir,
Speaker 4: get that off me right now. He was so drunk
Speaker 4: he was. And it's on it's on DVD. It's when
Speaker 4: Samon gets naked and pen to Cold Florida. If you
Speaker 4: look it up, you're lying. No, he's naked in the
Speaker 4: center of the ring. He takes off all his clothes.
Speaker 4: He was bombed, he was obliviated, and he was started
Speaker 4: drinking as soon as we got to the building.
Speaker 5: It was a house shell, you know. But his penis
Speaker 5: ended up here and I just saw.
Speaker 4: I said, get that off me right now, and he
Speaker 4: did and walked away, and I was.
Speaker 1: Just like, oh, listen, I love that.
Speaker 5: I do do. I don't love his penis on my shoulder.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, you have the opportunity to work
Speaker 2: with you guys. First, have me finished his Bucks Necessary,
Speaker 2: Toby to Willing both and Oak Rogue, and then Hard
Speaker 2: Times Too, Hard Times Pay per View NWA, December the fourth,
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, GA. I don't know what the plans are.
Speaker 2: I know there's one man that runs the show literally
Speaker 2: and we're grateful for him. His name is Billy Cogan.
Speaker 2: So to have Billy Cogan, you know, just making his
Speaker 2: own decisions, that's great. I have the title opportunity that
Speaker 2: I can cash in at any time.
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to feel.
Speaker 2: Like Hot Times is going to be that time for
Speaker 2: yours truly.
Speaker 5: Might be the time to cash that taken in.
Speaker 2: Might be so, So there, you guys, go and we'll
Speaker 2: do another round and taping as well.
Speaker 1: But let me talk about Hack real quick before I
Speaker 1: toss it back to you, girl. Hack you.
Speaker 2: Hack Tommy Dreamer, who was my again, we both loved
Speaker 2: dream I didn't know he was a dream guy and
Speaker 2: that's why he became Dreamer. But I love Tommy Dreamer.
Speaker 2: He actually hired me to w W. How about that first.
Speaker 5: Crazy Yep, you never know who you're gonna work with
Speaker 5: in this business.
Speaker 1: I know this my favorite c W guys who hired me.
Speaker 2: I have worked with you, Rob Van Damn good old Balls.
Speaker 1: And Mahoney who love balls in Yes, knew Jack.
Speaker 2: They worked with him but had but me and him
Speaker 2: were like cool every time we came from each other.
Speaker 2: And the list goes on. So to be in there
Speaker 2: with you, guys, Sabu, you know who was just as
Speaker 2: crazy then as he was back when, it is truly
Speaker 2: an honor. And and to have a respected friendship with
Speaker 2: you as well, who always brings out the boy and
Speaker 2: me like gosh, always you are. I'm not lying to you,
Speaker 2: you best Black. Pope's a big boy now.
Speaker 1: I know you are, sir, And and Pope's growing by
Speaker 1: the minute.
Speaker 5: His milk and taking his vitamins.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you took it that way, and I
Speaker 1: hope everybody else did.
Speaker 5: That's the only lay.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Yes, I much love to you, girl. I have nothing
Speaker 2: you are. Let me shut the story for your fans,
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to shut up. When me and
Speaker 2: Francine started, gosh, it's two hours already. When me and
Speaker 2: Francine started with working together in w W E c W,
Speaker 2: and I met her around the ring. It was my
Speaker 2: first time introducing myself to Francine at ringside that's.
Speaker 1: Where we first met. Remember, oh, don't worry, you know.
Speaker 2: And she she was she was a little bit I
Speaker 2: don't want I don't know if you were shy of
Speaker 2: just being because of the environment up there.
Speaker 1: I just no, no, not shot for me, I mean
Speaker 1: shot period. Yes.
Speaker 2: So I came around. I'm like, it's Francine. I'm finna
Speaker 2: go talk to her. I'm going to introduce myself. And
Speaker 2: I went to shake your hand because they would getting
Speaker 2: some entering stuff together with the girls, and you had
Speaker 2: to be out there. I see him so and so,
Speaker 2: and you turned around. It's like and your eyes are
Speaker 2: those big eyes? Just hi, o, God, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: And I just it just melted me on the inside.
Speaker 2: I've never it just melted me, like your your look
Speaker 2: like it's just like, Okay, I'm here. I don't know
Speaker 2: what this is. I know what it is, but I
Speaker 2: don't know what this place is.
Speaker 1: It's not my E c W.
Speaker 5: But I want to make it work and I tried.
Speaker 2: I don't know who you are, but nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but it was so Yeah, it made my day.
Speaker 2: So every time I come into your presence, I feel
Speaker 2: like it's two thousand and six seven all over again.
Speaker 5: God adorable. I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: Don't try me.
Speaker 2: Don't push me, I said popes ain't no homewreak, but
Speaker 2: don't push me.
Speaker 1: Girl, you are. I can.
Speaker 5: Give me some where can sign you?
Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey, listen, I'm behaving here because I'm.
Speaker 2: On camera boy to full Pope mode when I get
Speaker 2: friend see over on post Front of You Podcasts with
Speaker 2: Elijah Burke, which you can find wherever it is you
Speaker 2: listen to your podcast at Apple, Spotify, Citrus, Spreaker, Our
Speaker 2: Heart Radio, Google Play, and the list goes on. You
Speaker 2: can also catch up with your boy on Twitter and
Speaker 2: Instagram at the Black Pope that's at DA not the
Speaker 2: du Black Pope. You can follow me on Facebook as well, Facebook,
Speaker 2: dot Com, Slash, Elijah Burke, and I got Twitch coming soon.
Speaker 1: But you guys will be updated on all of that
Speaker 1: and real quick.
Speaker 5: Your charity, that's where your boy was going.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Franny. My charity's tenth year anniversary is actually
Speaker 1: coming up January the eighth.
Speaker 2: We will be celebrating Serve in the community of Jacksonville
Speaker 2: for ten.
Speaker 1: Years.
Speaker 2: This is our big annual event and we follow up
Speaker 2: our again. We feed people frying. We don't feed them
Speaker 2: out of a brown paper bag. We don't feed them
Speaker 2: out of a soup truck.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: We go down to Burger King in the center of
Speaker 2: the homeless community in Jacksonville, and we ordered straight out
Speaker 2: of Burger King where we got three, four or five
Speaker 2: hundred people on mean, you know, any given day lined
Speaker 2: up and we feed them the stuff that sometimes we
Speaker 2: take for granted, because you know, I've seen people eat
Speaker 2: half of a burger and then throw it in the trash,
Speaker 2: and I saw a man walking to that same trash,
Speaker 2: pull that bag and he ate it. That's when I
Speaker 2: started my charity. That's when I said, you know, we
Speaker 2: got we can do better.
Speaker 1: We can do better.
Speaker 2: So tip the anniversary is gonna be January the eighth. Guys,
Speaker 2: you can head over to Love Thatashall Live and you
Speaker 2: can learn all about my charity. You can see what
Speaker 2: Pope's doing in the community. You can also donate on
Speaker 2: that very same website. One dollar help makes the difference.
Speaker 2: We just want to be the change that we wish
Speaker 2: to see in the world. And if you want to
Speaker 2: see it, because I make sure you guys see where
Speaker 2: your money go, you can go over to Pope TV
Speaker 2: and just scroll through and you'll see some of the
Speaker 2: love a lot of charity advents. You'll see the people
Speaker 2: line up, whether the homeless or not, if they stand
Speaker 2: in line for hours.
Speaker 1: They need it.
Speaker 2: We give it clothes, shoes, hygiene products, book back for
Speaker 2: kids filled with essentials to help them achieve academic success,
Speaker 2: and the list goes on.
Speaker 5: I love it. I love it. That's the one thing
Speaker 5: I said when I get him on the show, I have.
Speaker 4: To talk about that charity because it's wonderful what you
Speaker 4: guys are doing down there, and I'm just so proud
Speaker 4: of you. You're doing everything. You got it all going
Speaker 4: on right now.
Speaker 5: And you look good doing it, kiddo, So kudos to
Speaker 5: my friend.
Speaker 1: Love it when you call me, when you call.
Speaker 5: Elijah, good luck with n w A.
Speaker 2: It's like you're well saying daddy, thank you.
Speaker 5: You know, I hate that daddy.
Speaker 3: We were talking about.
Speaker 4: We did a sex quiz because we do Patreon the extras,
Speaker 4: you know, and we get a little a little more
Speaker 4: raunchy on the other shows that we do, right, because
Speaker 4: you have to pay for those.
Speaker 5: And the word daddy makes me cringe. I don't like it.
Speaker 5: You make your women call you daddy.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, daddy, that's d A d d e
Speaker 1: h daddy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't it the same thing?
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not.
Speaker 5: Different. How is it different?
Speaker 2: Well, well, because daddy is is a paternal term and
Speaker 2: a sexual term. Pope says daddy to everybody. Oh, daddy
Speaker 2: is more of a slang.
Speaker 5: That never said that to me. That's what I'm all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, your friend a girls, daddy, little girls, come up,
Speaker 2: give me some dap daddy.
Speaker 1: You know that's what that's what.
Speaker 5: It must be. Because I live up here and you're
Speaker 5: down there.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't get you get alive.
Speaker 4: You see, I get Okay, I get the real the
Speaker 4: real stuff.
Speaker 1: If you got Pope, you walk different.
Speaker 3: All right, this.
Speaker 5: Was a treat. Thank you for coming on and for
Speaker 5: only being eleven minutes late. I appreciate it. And when
Speaker 5: you want me to come on over and do your stuff,
Speaker 5: let me know. Keep in touch. But I do love
Speaker 5: you and I wish you the best of luck.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. All right, meet.
Speaker 3: Same here, bye buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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