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Speaker 2: Welcome back George Nor with Mark Christopherlie British filmmaker and

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Speaker 2: UFO researcher prides himself and having an unconventional approach to

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Speaker 2: documentary storytelling with a very fresh, working class perspective on

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Speaker 2: the weird and unexplained. Mark Blend's raw investigative journalism with

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Speaker 2: sharp British humor and has established himself as one of

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Speaker 2: the UK's most distinctive voices in UFO and pureanormal media. Mark,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Have you been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Thank you, Thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 3: It's very much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful new book to runder some UFO case.

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Speaker 3: I love it, thanks George. Yeah, I mean it's actually goat.

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Speaker 3: We've also got a film out of the same name

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Speaker 3: at the moment on Amazon Prime, which has been my

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Speaker 3: kind of passion for such a long time. So it's

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Speaker 3: so good to get it out there, and it is

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Speaker 3: the best UFO case in the world in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: It surely is what got you involved in the studying UFOs.

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Speaker 3: Mark. Initially, I had my own experience as a child

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Speaker 3: and which was unexplained that at the time I had it,

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Speaker 3: I put it down to being some angelic experience, which

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Speaker 3: I know sounds a bit out there, but with hindsight

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Speaker 3: maybe it was something something else. But then in the

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Speaker 3: in the UK growing up in the eighties, there was

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Speaker 3: a program on TV called Arthur C. Clark's Mysterious World

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Speaker 3: and that really kind of piqued my interest and of

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Speaker 3: the Sea Clerk. If people don't know, he's the author

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Speaker 3: of two thousand and one Space Odyssey. He was a

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Speaker 3: proper old school scientists visionary invented the communications satellite, for instance,

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Speaker 3: so it was this hardcore scientist, but he would look

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Speaker 3: at unexplained phenomena with an open mind. And so this

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Speaker 3: you know, TV series did UFOs and just opened my mind.

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Speaker 3: And there was also a magazine called The Aimed which

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Speaker 3: came out every month and that had UFOs and I

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Speaker 3: was like, wow, this is amazing. So that's what initially

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Speaker 3: got me into it. And then you know, a bit older,

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Speaker 3: the X Files came along. It sounds a bit cliched,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, that was got me. Definitely got me into

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Speaker 3: UFOs in a big time. And you know, I'm luckily

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Speaker 3: enough on this new film, The rendussroam Ufo, The British Roswell,

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Speaker 3: that actually worked with one of the stars from The

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Speaker 3: X Files, cigarette smoking Man William B. Davis, who did

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Speaker 3: the narration. He was amazing.

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Speaker 2: How do people see that film?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that on Amazon Prime or Apple TV. It's

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Speaker 3: called The rendalsrom Ufo The British Roswell. And we took

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Speaker 3: a different perspective than most because the story has been

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Speaker 3: told many times and some great you know TV programs

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Speaker 3: films about it. Well, what was interesting to me is

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Speaker 3: that the more I researched into the nineteen eighty incident,

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Speaker 3: which definitely something happened in my opinion, there's also a

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Speaker 3: lot of people who've been back since to the same

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Speaker 3: place and had weird anomalous experiences both UFOs, how are

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Speaker 3: normal even cryptis And so the film is kind of

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Speaker 3: focused on, you know, we go there and do our

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Speaker 3: own investigation now and it was last autumn we actually

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Speaker 3: went there and filmed and we did capture weird things

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Speaker 3: on camera and on sound that still I'm not explained.

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Speaker 3: So there's something about brundalstm Forrest. It's in Suffolk and UK.

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Speaker 3: It's very beautiful, quite remote. It's got this mystique about

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Speaker 3: it and people are going there now and having these

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Speaker 3: weird experiences and we did too, so that's why I

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Speaker 3: wanted to make the film, as well as telling the

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Speaker 3: original story from nineteen eighty but then updating it as well.

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Speaker 2: Is the film done in a documentary format?

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Speaker 3: It is, yeah. I mean, like you alluded to earlier,

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Speaker 3: it's a different approach. It's me and my best mate Guy.

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Speaker 3: We've done a TV show on two B called nub

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Speaker 3: go out to Rendalsham and do it, so it's a

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Speaker 3: bit of a road trip. We don't take ourselves too seriously.

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Speaker 3: And my whole approach to uphology, especially in the UK,

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Speaker 2: Mark Christopher Lee with us talking about the rendalsham Ufo case.

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Speaker 2: His film and book is called The rendersham Ufo the

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Speaker 2: British Right as well. Let's go back forty five years ago,

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Speaker 2: Mark to December twenty sixth, tell us about Rendoshem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was in Suffolk and the UK, and I

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Speaker 3: think we have to take in the context in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: It was the middle of the Cold War. It was

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Speaker 3: at RIF Bentwaters and RIF Woodbridge, which were joined US

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Speaker 3: December nineteen eighty there were strange lights seen at the

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Speaker 3: nearby Rendols from forest and various servicemen went out at

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Speaker 3: different times saw these lights, documented then and went back

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Speaker 3: right absolutely, yeah, these are distinguished servicemen. Yeah, absolutely, And

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Speaker 3: because you've got these you know, servicemen, no nonsense, people

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Speaker 3: Jim Peniston and John Burrows and Edward Caban sag they

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Speaker 3: reported this triangular craft which had these hierographic markings. Jim

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Speaker 3: Peniston claims to have gone up to it and touched it.

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Speaker 3: Then later had this mysterious download of binary code which

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Speaker 3: has been translated years later. But there was three lights

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Speaker 3: He had his famous dictaphone and he recorded bits of

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Speaker 3: you said, we've got testimony this. The famous Colonel Halt

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Speaker 2: One of the witnesses touch the object.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Jim penistone when he was out in

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Speaker 3: it was something to do about planet Earth and things

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Speaker 3: like that, and place called High Brazil. It was all

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Speaker 3: was real to me at the time. It's very strange.

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Speaker 2: Mark whatever happened to the object, did it fly off

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Speaker 3: Well, this is interesting, George. We don't know at the

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Speaker 3: what Peniston saw, but there were six craft in total,

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Speaker 3: But I think the context is key with this case.

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Speaker 3: It's the Cold War, you know, tensions are very very

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Speaker 3: secret research stations into radar technology, possibly weapons technology. There's

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Speaker 3: in the US there was the famous Cash Landrum incident

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Speaker 3: which is what happened to Jim Peniston and John Borrows,

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Speaker 3: the two servicemen that you know were close to the craft.

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Speaker 3: They've had medical retirement from the army. But Cash, I

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Speaker 2: They were burned or something, weren't.

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Speaker 3: They absolutely yeah, And there's been the doctor's evidence, doctors notes,

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Speaker 3: And I just feel really really bad for them as people,

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Speaker 3: and they were, you know, given the run around by

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Speaker 3: what had happened. So I think there's a connection possibly

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Speaker 3: between what happened in Rendelsham December nineteen eighteen and what

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Speaker 3: was the same technology being tested, especially as Rendalsham was

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Speaker 2: Have you ruled out US craft?

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't no, but I think if it was

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything conventional because don't forget, you know,

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Speaker 3: this serviceman would have known, you know what, everything that

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Speaker 2: You went out there with the guy Thompson with special

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Speaker 2: dozing rods and instruments. What did you discover?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so we we went there with the idea

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Speaker 3: and he's written two books with Colonel Holts, the Deputy

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Speaker 3: Based Commander, The Whole Perspective one and The Whole Perspective

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Speaker 3: to two brilliant books documenting the Rendiscry case. From Colonel

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Speaker 3: Holt's amazing books, you know, people should check them out.

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Speaker 3: And you know he's he told me roughly where he

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Speaker 3: thought the landing was, because there is if you go

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Speaker 3: there now you can there's a UFO sculpture there of

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Speaker 3: this triangular craft. That's not where the landing site was.

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Speaker 3: That's where the tourists go thinking it's the landing spot,

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Speaker 3: but it's not. So we had this place to go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we wanted to just see what we could find,

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Speaker 3: so I took a metal detector, we took an EMF reader,

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Speaker 3: we took dowsing rods which I'll explain in a minute,

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Speaker 3: just to see if we could pick up anything anomalous really,

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Speaker 3: and we did with the E MF readers especially, which

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Speaker 3: you know gives spikes in electromagnetic radiation. We were getting

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Speaker 3: really really high readings out of nowhere. They were just

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Speaker 3: and you can see it. But the interesting thing for

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Speaker 3: we were going to do what's called a C five

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Speaker 3: close encounters of the fifth kind meditation. It's called sionics.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit skeptical for your listeners background. I've

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Speaker 3: how does CE five close encounters of the fifth kind work?

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Speaker 3: Something to do with the power of the mind, the

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Speaker 3: consciousness reaching out all sound a bit kind of obtuse

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Speaker 3: called Ray Dove, and she gave us some information about

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Speaker 3: what we needed to do. So we took the dowsing

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Speaker 3: words to try and find the ideal location to do this.

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Speaker 3: So we were near the landing site and seriously, the

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Speaker 3: spinning round and round. It was really weird. It was

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Speaker 3: like WHOA something was happening, and then we got the

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Speaker 3: MF reader out and it was just spiking really really,

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Speaker 3: so we made a camp in this place for that reason,

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Speaker 3: and then we sat down we did a meditation. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't going that well at first. Guy Thompson you knew

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Speaker 3: He was drinking too much guinness. He was carrying this

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Speaker 3: kinds of guinness around the forest. That's quite fun. As

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Speaker 3: trying to do his meditation and it wasn't going very well,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, and I got a little bit of

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Speaker 3: stopped because guy was drinking, so I didn't get.

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Speaker 2: Any well, a little too much, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And we were worn by both Ray

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Speaker 3: Dove and a lovely lady called Cheryl Anne McLain, an

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Speaker 3: so she was telling us what we needed to do.

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Speaker 3: One of them was don't drinklcohol, but he did, which

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Speaker 3: is fine. So we wasn't going very well, and then

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Speaker 3: we didn't know what to do with what. We needed

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Speaker 3: someone else to come and join us to you know,

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Speaker 3: we're in the middle of nowhere to forget. There's not

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Speaker 3: Esther who was our assistant director, we basically and she

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Speaker 3: You'll see her in the film. So there's three of

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Speaker 3: you know what you're seeing the film, we started hearing

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Speaker 3: way we described it, it was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Doctor Who Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It was

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Speaker 3: like that theme tune from that, but it was that

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Speaker 3: like on a ray gun. It was really really weird,

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Speaker 3: and it was like really repetitive. It was like a

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