Speaker 1: On the Bobby Bones Show. Now, Katie, Katie, I was
Speaker 1: watching some stuff that maybe you'd put online, some old videos,
Speaker 1: and any fiddle player that I know like that dominates.
Speaker 1: They're they're what they do musically, right, most of them
Speaker 1: if they're a fiddle player, like first and foremost. I
Speaker 1: was very surprised to see you killing a fiddle because
Speaker 1: I and that, and that is a massive compliment because
Speaker 1: I went through and we've been playing, you know, some
Speaker 1: of your music on the Women of Our Country and
Speaker 1: the Country Top thirty, Like I program both of those shows,
Speaker 1: and so I've been awesome. I've been a fan of
Speaker 1: your music, and I've watched some of your videos where
Speaker 1: you play live. I was just so shocked to see
Speaker 1: you play a fiddle, because you don't. That's usually the
Speaker 1: person's thing. I know. You know, it's such an interesting
Speaker 1: thing because, um, I grew up playing instruments as opposed
Speaker 1: to singing and doing my own thing. Um you know,
Speaker 1: people always ask like, oh, what all interests do you play? Whatever?
Speaker 1: It's like I have to categorize them by what I'm
Speaker 1: willing to get paid for and for me, like that's
Speaker 1: fiddle and you know me backumuss of a guitar, but
Speaker 1: fiddle has just always been my main thing. Like I
Speaker 1: grew up playing in polka bands and playing fiddle in
Speaker 1: a German dress and like you know, all that it
Speaker 1: is the normal stuff. And so for me, it's like
Speaker 1: I had to learn when I came to Nashville and
Speaker 1: when I started my own thing, like where does that
Speaker 1: fit in what I do? Did you purposefully not want
Speaker 1: to be a You're a fiddle player, obviously, but did
Speaker 1: you not want to be known because there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of art There's a couple that are really good
Speaker 1: with the fiddle, there's not a lot of artists who
Speaker 1: play the fiddle upfront. I think for me, it was
Speaker 1: really important that people focus on what I have to
Speaker 1: say and who I am as an artist, and that
Speaker 1: be kind of like a spice that I added, you know,
Speaker 1: and it not be in my pictures or something that
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm Katie, I'm the fiddle chick. You know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like if you were to go
Speaker 1: see gosh, I mean, even somebody like let's just say
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, like somebody that everybody is kind of you know,
Speaker 1: into of the years, if suddenly like mid set, they
Speaker 1: picked up a fiddle and they played blow your mind
Speaker 1: like on one song. And here's the thing too, It's
Speaker 1: not about just pick up the fiddle. It's the difference
Speaker 1: to me of playing something like Alison Crosswood versus like
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm You're never gonna catch me playing dead
Speaker 1: one down in Georgia mid set, like please kill me
Speaker 1: before that happens. And yes, I've done it too many
Speaker 1: times and I'm over it. But for me, it's like,
Speaker 1: while it will never be the forefront, it will never
Speaker 1: be I'll never be the fiddle chick the fiddle, and
Speaker 1: just my musicality is way too deep rooted in my
Speaker 1: life and my career and who I am as a
Speaker 1: person to ever completely neglect that. You know, yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of like the Lizzo flute thing,
Speaker 1: right where what you pulls out the flute, you're like,
Speaker 1: what the crap? Who even plays the flute? And she's
Speaker 1: so good at it You're like wow. But anyway, that's
Speaker 1: the feeling that I got because I was not expecting
Speaker 1: to see you on a stage grab a fiddle and
Speaker 1: tear it apart, and it was awesome. Well thanks, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Think that is a massive compliment you. When
Speaker 1: you grew up in Texas, Yeah, loved it. You spent
Speaker 1: time there that you know makes every text and happy
Speaker 1: a lot. So near New Bronfels. Yeah, I grew up
Speaker 1: in a ranch outside New Bronfels, born and rais was
Speaker 1: there my whole life, Um, up until moving to college.
Speaker 1: You know, and to me, like, I mean, Texas is
Speaker 1: obviously a huge part of who I am as well.
Speaker 1: I feel like that comes in my out my music
Speaker 1: and um, even though I played all these different genres
Speaker 1: like country music, I feel like you have to love
Speaker 1: country music you're from Texas, but like that's what my
Speaker 1: foundation was built on. Um, you grew up on a ranch.
Speaker 1: So did you have to go out and I don't
Speaker 1: know before you got to play the field. Yes, all right,
Speaker 1: so tam I. But um, my husband two weeks ago
Speaker 1: was like, you know, people have been talking about this
Speaker 1: like raw milk thing. You know, I think it's like
Speaker 1: pretty hit, Maybe I should try it. So we like
Speaker 1: go to the Charlotte Farmer's market, we buy the raw milk,
Speaker 1: and he's telling me how it's going to change my life.
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, I'm probably I'm not a huge dairy person.
Speaker 1: But um, so that in the process of doing that,
Speaker 1: He's like, well, have you ever tried it? I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: straight from the goat. I would go out, I just
Speaker 1: take the utter and I put it straight to my mouth.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe I'm telling you this, because that
Speaker 1: does that seems so far from the person that I
Speaker 1: am today. Um, but like I was that girl, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to be unpopular, you know, let
Speaker 1: me tell you how to do it. Grow up on
Speaker 1: a ranch, be homeschooled, being only child. You're best friends
Speaker 1: are your goats, and you play music. You were homeschooled
Speaker 1: on the ranch. Who was your teacher? My dad? And
Speaker 1: what was his expertise? The best attitude? What is not
Speaker 1: his expertise? If you talk to him. Um, you know
Speaker 1: at the time he was a horse trainer. And so
Speaker 1: we grew up like just kind of a simple life.
Speaker 1: And I was homeschooled the attack room of our barn um,
Speaker 1: you know, like just being homeschool being only child. Like
Speaker 1: it's funny now, because I think that's the problem with
Speaker 1: kind of like social media and just it's easy to
Speaker 1: assume things about people and see my life on there
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, man, looks like she's you know,
Speaker 1: doing the thing, must be cool whatever. And it's like,
Speaker 1: deep inside, I'm still kind of like that twelve year
Speaker 1: old that's out of the ranch, that's just kind of
Speaker 1: like by myself, just kind of doing my thing and
Speaker 1: like not cool at all, you know. And I'm just
Speaker 1: so lucky that my dad homeschool me, because I think
Speaker 1: if my mom had, I would have been a horrible person.
Speaker 1: Think she would have stressed me out. Love her, but
Speaker 1: not in the classroom. Did you guys have a music class?
Speaker 1: Did you do anything like that? You know, my parents
Speaker 1: are not musical at all, So then how are you
Speaker 1: so musical if they're not? Man, I don't know. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of got lucky. I think that for me
Speaker 1: is like we grew up going to church, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'd see the old gal at the front. It's
Speaker 1: nothing special to me. Yeah, I mean now I go
Speaker 1: to a big church and it's like the light show
Speaker 1: and the whole deal. I'm into it. I definitely wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to go back to my small church. But it's
Speaker 1: crazy how far like you know that even just going
Speaker 1: to that Presbyterian Church when I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: like the one person when old playing piano inspired me,
Speaker 1: and I just remember asking my parents like mll it's
Speaker 1: kind of cool, like I want to do that, and
Speaker 1: they were supportive to help you do it, so supportive.
Speaker 1: They're the best. You know. I really couldn't be and
Speaker 1: do all the things that I do without having all
Speaker 1: their support over the years, and like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's just been a game changer for me, even just emotionally,
Speaker 1: like to have that support. So you grew up playing
Speaker 1: the fiddle obviously the accordion. Yeah, so the accordion, that's
Speaker 1: something like that's like the cool attention I've been thinking.
Speaker 1: You know. The funny thing is I have my old
Speaker 1: according at the house and it's broken. Your house here,
Speaker 1: you're back in Texas. No, it's here. Oh if you
Speaker 1: brought that in and played on our show, that I
Speaker 1: would be I'd be better than a Garth performance. See,
Speaker 1: all right, we've added to the fiddle to this set.
Speaker 1: We've not out of the accordion. Hilarious and awesome and
Speaker 1: tough and hard to play. It's all the combination. It's
Speaker 1: a lot, man, I'm not saying no, so maybe sometime
Speaker 1: we'll do that together. But it's funny because my according
Speaker 1: all the buttons on the left are stuck and it's
Speaker 1: just got It sounds like just the worst. And so
Speaker 1: I was thinking recently, like, you know what, maybe it
Speaker 1: should just like go on Amazon and like order some
Speaker 1: like cruddy just cheap like little you know, maybe I
Speaker 1: learned the button box because I feel like that would
Speaker 1: be so fun to bring out to a show for
Speaker 1: one song. People wouldn't even they wouldn't know what. They
Speaker 1: would be like, what is happening? Yeah, it would be
Speaker 1: awesome because you would surprise folks and give up something
Speaker 1: they haven't seen before, no one's ever played. There might
Speaker 1: be a reason for that. No, I take it back, Um,
Speaker 1: the Texas Twist Eddie, who was it became Tim mc
Speaker 1: graw brought in the Texas Tornadoes. Oh they played Texas Tornadoes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh that's what it was. And they brought in an accordion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole group it was, and it was awesome, And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen
Speaker 1: restaurant in Mariachi. Right, man, you've only seen them more.
Speaker 1: You need to give him out to a polka show. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: I've never been to a polka show. We went to
Speaker 1: a bar in Vegas, right, Eddie wants it was polka.
Speaker 1: Oh that's German. Yeah they did yeah, yeah and polka bar. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just know it was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like green. It's very green. Yeah, green, and
Speaker 1: people are going to put it's a good time. You know.
Speaker 1: People drink a lot of beer, you a lot of sour.
Speaker 1: Crimean man, I remember when I was like twelve eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen on the road with his polka band, Like,
Speaker 1: I've never eaten more. You went in the road with
Speaker 1: a polka ban when you were twelve or thirteen, for sure,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't. I mean, man, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: Up until like when I moved to Nashville six years ago,
Speaker 1: I used to play with this guy back in Texas.
Speaker 1: His name was Terry Cavanaugh, and he was like the
Speaker 1: reason why I started playing shows because I was playing
Speaker 1: all these instruments, but it was, you know, primarily either
Speaker 1: classical base or kind of gospel bluegrass, and for me,
Speaker 1: like all the the only potential I saw in my
Speaker 1: musicality was either playing in an orchestra or like playing
Speaker 1: at home or playing kind of at the church. But
Speaker 1: when I started taking according lessons from Terry, he was like, man,
Speaker 1: you should do in my polka band. And so Terry
Speaker 1: and I long story short, played together for a long time.
Speaker 1: We kind of ended up having a falling out, I
Speaker 1: think because he saw me leaving the polka industry or whatever.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was just I looked one day,
Speaker 1: I woke up and I looked in my closet and
Speaker 1: I realized I didn't have any clothes. Like, I'd never
Speaker 1: wore jeans to a gig. I wore a diurnal And
Speaker 1: so anyway, years went by. Terry and I didn't really
Speaker 1: you know, talk much. I was doing my thing. He
Speaker 1: was still playing polka music, and he was like in
Speaker 1: his sixties. When I moved to Nashville, you know, starting
Speaker 1: out semi desperate, and Terry calls me and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know it's been a while. Do you want to
Speaker 1: make some extra money? Like heck yeah. So we would
Speaker 1: go play these secret polka gigs over Auprey Mills at
Speaker 1: the Brow Beer Garden. So I'd be there like every Tuesday,
Speaker 1: so and I'd be like, please, God, let me not
Speaker 1: see anybody. I know. Um, So I did that until
Speaker 1: I started seeing people out that I knew and I
Speaker 1: was like, you need to stop. So the funniest thing
Speaker 1: about that is that is now the coolest thing that
Speaker 1: you would that you have that skill. No, but it's
Speaker 1: so not cool that it's super cool, Like it's because
Speaker 1: I just don't know anything about It's why I say
Speaker 1: it's not cool. I know that there's like a tuba
Speaker 1: and people aren't suspenders and people going up and down
Speaker 1: like the yes whatever idea suspenders that is, so I
Speaker 1: think that, uh yeah, it's just totally shape too. I
Speaker 1: am and um got me this place, Like I would
Speaker 1: never do it any other way that, you know, awesome.
Speaker 1: I'd recommend to anybody go play some polka music and
Speaker 1: come back. You play the mandolin, wicked piano, all these instruments.
Speaker 1: So you could you decide to go to music school? Yep?
Speaker 1: Do you go to school for the instrument or for
Speaker 1: your voice? So I didn't really find my voice for
Speaker 1: a while, you know, That's kind of what came last
Speaker 1: and so for me, like I was still kind of
Speaker 1: figuring out my deal when I went to college. I
Speaker 1: went up to Berkeley when I was sixteen, I had
Speaker 1: already started college at that point sixteen, so you were
Speaker 1: finishing earlier because at homeschool you did all your stuff early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a long story. I ended up starting
Speaker 1: college like a few years before I went to Berkeley,
Speaker 1: so I was super young and it's kind of a
Speaker 1: crazy opportunity I had, and so I kind of ran
Speaker 1: with it. And I was like fifteen amar in college.
Speaker 1: It took a year off school, was just playing like
Speaker 1: western swing gigs around Texas, and I'm like, what do
Speaker 1: I want to do with my life? And this loser
Speaker 1: guy I was playing with at the time handed me
Speaker 1: this Berkeley like pamphlet thing. It was like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go, like you should go. I'm like okay. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I ended up there and you graduated. I actually graduated, yeah, graduate.
Speaker 1: I was nineteen, And I say those were kind of
Speaker 1: like the bonus years of my life because I got
Speaker 1: to go and like moved to la and get told
Speaker 1: no like a million times for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and it was like, what was your degree? It wasn't fiddle?
Speaker 1: So I did go for fiddle. Wasn't for voice? Do
Speaker 1: they have fiddle and violin a different no, No, it's
Speaker 1: it's all the same. I just feel like fiddle makes
Speaker 1: me seem like a like you want to be my friend,
Speaker 1: you know, it's more approachable, like, oh, I play the
Speaker 1: fiddle and say like, oh I play the violin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I you know, the same thing I would say
Speaker 1: if you were selling I agree with that statementing play
Speaker 1: because it fidd was warmer, right, like some biscuits. Right
Speaker 1: if you were someone who wasn't believable as a country artist,
Speaker 1: because there will people they're like, oh, like, how country
Speaker 1: I am? And You're like, you never know. This is
Speaker 1: just a game to you're trying to make into music,
Speaker 1: and this is where you think you have the best shot.
Speaker 1: But you are so freaking country that it doesn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you could say I'm playing the cello, we'd
Speaker 1: be like as a country cello. Yeah. You know That's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, I've never had to um sell
Speaker 1: that part of me. You know. It's like even I've
Speaker 1: lived in Boston, I've lived in la you know, I've
Speaker 1: traveled all of the world and I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: there are other parts of me that are not just
Speaker 1: that girl on the ranch, you know. But um but like,
Speaker 1: like I said, that's always even my foundation, like a
Speaker 1: group listening to Bob Wills and Ray Price and people
Speaker 1: that you're saying earlier about do you know this song?
Speaker 1: Because you know you're probably too young for him, Like man,
Speaker 1: the older, I'm more likely to know it. You know?
Speaker 1: Is that because of your parents at all? You say
Speaker 1: they weren't music but a lot of music, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I really listened to that with my grandparents.
Speaker 1: Like my grandfather would just trying records, you know. And
Speaker 1: he's the reason why I started playing fiddle, because he
Speaker 1: was like, ah, they're gonna go to poun shop today
Speaker 1: and buy a fiddle and try to play because you know,
Speaker 1: he played violin in high school. Which is that weird
Speaker 1: that I say violin and fiddle in the same sentence,
Speaker 1: because I mean I can differentiate and what even what
Speaker 1: you mean by yeah difference? There's a style difference when
Speaker 1: you say the two. Yeah, it's a stylistic thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's the kind of person you are, um
Speaker 1: like are you wearing jeans? Are you wearing like trousers?
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like just different different kinds of people,
Speaker 1: different kinds of whatever. I like fiddle vests. But um,
Speaker 1: he took me to the punch shop and it was like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a fiddle, and he brought it home
Speaker 1: try to play. He was in his eighties and so
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I got two bad arthritis in my hands,
Speaker 1: and so he gave the fiddle to me. It was like,
Speaker 1: you can do something with this. So that's something I
Speaker 1: always hold on to, and that's what keeps me always,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, keeping that
Speaker 1: in what I do. So because I think it's important
Speaker 1: to keep the fiddle alive and know that that's a
Speaker 1: huge part of who I am. I'm more of let's
Speaker 1: keep the Yeah, all right, I'm working on that, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. How How would you describe your journey to
Speaker 1: Nashville because it sounds like there are a lot of
Speaker 1: really interesting character building stops along the way. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think the the biggest, um maybe time period of my
Speaker 1: life that really taught me a lot of lessons and
Speaker 1: made me grow up a lot was living in la
Speaker 1: after college because I wasn't I really wasn't playing on
Speaker 1: I'm moving out there and I was gonna go either
Speaker 1: back to Texas do some kind of a Texas scene
Speaker 1: thing and come here. I was just gonna come here
Speaker 1: and I met Simon Fuller, who created American Idol. He
Speaker 1: happened to be at a show I played, and I
Speaker 1: was backing up a few different people, but Annie Lennox
Speaker 1: was one of those people and who he I don't
Speaker 1: know if he still manages, but it was managing her
Speaker 1: at the time. And he came up to me afterwards
Speaker 1: and was like, you know, what are you doing with
Speaker 1: your life? And I'm like, well, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: fixing a graduate and we're gonna see what happens. And
Speaker 1: that anyway, that all brought me out to LA and
Speaker 1: I'd finally just so scared, I'm gonna go out there
Speaker 1: and just kind of chase this thing, you know, us
Speaker 1: moved out well, he said we were gonna do music,
Speaker 1: you know, but he was coming up with a show,
Speaker 1: or he had come up with a show that was
Speaker 1: going to take the place of Idol. And this is
Speaker 1: when Idol, I guess was before it came back. And
Speaker 1: because this has been several years ago, I was ten
Speaker 1: years ago. And he was like, I think it would
Speaker 1: be great if you were the host of the show.
Speaker 1: And then we made your music kind of throughout the
Speaker 1: whole thing, and so I'm like, god, cool, you know.
Speaker 1: Suddenly I was being picked up in black cars, like
Speaker 1: from my apartment in Boston. I was saying, the airport
Speaker 1: flu like I'd meet him in New York at the
Speaker 1: Plaza Hotel. Like everything felt very glamorous, flown out to
Speaker 1: La you know. I mean, I was just like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what is happening with my life? And then as time
Speaker 1: pass passes, you realize, like things don't fall through. They
Speaker 1: fall through, they don't happen, you know. And I hadn't
Speaker 1: learned that yet in life because I was so used
Speaker 1: to like play a gig, do a good job, get
Speaker 1: hired back, you know, and like these little baby steps.
Speaker 1: But it seemed like out there it was like do
Speaker 1: this and tomorrow we'll put you on a billboard or
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Everything was so grandiose that after a
Speaker 1: while the show didn't go through. I was having to pay.
Speaker 1: They told me, we're going to put you in classes
Speaker 1: to be a TV host. We'll let you pay to
Speaker 1: go have this gal, get rid of your accent, you know,
Speaker 1: like all these different things, and I'm like all I
Speaker 1: lost there was my money, and it's just funny. It's
Speaker 1: like all these different things that totally weren't me. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it any other way because, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back now, like that shaved me so much. And
Speaker 1: I ended up partning ways with Simon. I pretty much
Speaker 1: just told him, like, I need to go find me.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't do that, and I stayed out there.
Speaker 1: It was kind of having like a you know, feeling
Speaker 1: like I was in crisis modus twenty one years old.
Speaker 1: I had broken up with this manager that I thought
Speaker 1: was going to change my life, and I said, screw it.
Speaker 1: So I went to Europe and I wrote for several
Speaker 1: months and came back, got offered a record deal on
Speaker 1: Sony with those songs i'd written they were so god awful.
Speaker 1: And finally realize the importance of getting told no a
Speaker 1: thousand times but knowing when to say no to a yes,
Speaker 1: you know. And I realized, like, if I stayt here
Speaker 1: any longer, I'm gonna get stuck in something I don't like.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be wearing some some probably like slutty leotard,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have sparkles falling from the sky, and it's
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna be so unhappy, you know, or I
Speaker 1: can figure out why I do music and what I
Speaker 1: do it for, and you know the route to who
Speaker 1: I am. And so I realized I cried for like
Speaker 1: a month, and I moved to Nashville. And so I
Speaker 1: say that that that little portion of my life, that
Speaker 1: chapter taught me the most. Now I don't get excited
Speaker 1: by anything, like what's even exciting food Going to a
Speaker 1: good restaurant that gets any food that's in front of
Speaker 1: you right then you know you can eat it for sure,
Speaker 1: right right, right right, because you may get there and
Speaker 1: it's all the menu that happens too. First day I'll
Speaker 1: go on yelp and look and be like, oh, awesome,
Speaker 1: they got those crispy brussels, you know. And then I'll
Speaker 1: go and be like, yeah, well those brussels. Yeah, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: ma'am u. So yeah, And just like finding contentment in
Speaker 1: the journey because I realized what I learned from La
Speaker 1: was it like I what I'd see work in the
Speaker 1: past was just the blood, sweat and tears of showing
Speaker 1: up being a good human, playing a show, whether it
Speaker 1: was polka music, whether it's a country you know, whether
Speaker 1: there's one person or ten thousand, and it was just
Speaker 1: showing up every day and doing it again the next day.
Speaker 1: UM So I feel like that's kind of the mindset
Speaker 1: I'd try to get back into when I moved to town.
Speaker 1: I want to play a couple of clips here before
Speaker 1: we end with Katie Offerman. Here is Happy Land Trailer Park,
Speaker 1: and here is don't do it in Texas. Just don't
Speaker 1: do it in Texas. Don't do that. Katie. Good to
Speaker 1: talk to you. Thanks for having me. I'm glad we
Speaker 1: finally get to hang out the real life. Quite the journey,
Speaker 1: quite the story, Quite the journey. Really, you know you
Speaker 1: say that they're like, well, I lived in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: moved in Nashville. I'm like, wow, quite the journey. That
Speaker 1: ain't crap compared to hers. I mean, I think then
Speaker 1: for me, it's like, um, it's all part of the journey.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's um maybe that's kind of why
Speaker 1: we do. It's like because there's you never really know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, you know, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I could win a Grammy next year, or I could
Speaker 1: just be sitting on the couch. You know, I have
Speaker 1: no idea but I think that's what keeps that fire alive.
Speaker 1: You know, I just wrote all that down as lyrics.
Speaker 1: Ye use it, man. Follow Katie at Katie Offerman, C A, T,
Speaker 1: I E. And Katie Grad to talk to you and
Speaker 1: hopefully I see soon. Sounds good. Thanks for having this.
Speaker 1: I think that's it.