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Bundle and save at Progressive dot Com. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Let's stay in college football because this topic it should 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: be pretty good and we'll get into this. And when 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: I say the team the game is not a big game, 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: this could be. I mean, we could actually call this 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: the game of controversy because of what's going on at 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: each school, Michigan and Michigan State. But this week it 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: has come out that Michigan is under investigation for allegedly 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: signs stealing. When they call that sign stealing carry, I 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: just call that scouting. Yeah, it's so, let's get your 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: opinion on that. If you want to delve into the game, 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: you're more than welcome, but just your thoughts. 21 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, the sign stealing thing is just that's a little ridiculous. Man, 22 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: the statement when I heard it too, I was just 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: taking a back because in the game that happens all 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 2: the time. Like I'm looking at the offense, I'm trying 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: to see if they're doing signals. The offense is doing 26 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: dommie signals. They're doing signals that to try to throw 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: us off, especially if we're playing against division rivals, and 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: so that's part of the game. That's the gainsmanship that 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: happens in the game. So I think when we always 30 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: talk about, especially playing division, we're so aware that they 31 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 2: may know our signs that we're trying to give dummy 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: signals and stuff like that. So if you're at the 33 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: point where you're giving the team the same signal and 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: they know what you're. 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: Doing, that's your fault. 36 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: Like, at the end of the day, you have to 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: be aware and know that teams are going to try 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: to get the advantages in games. And if you're not 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: aware of that or you're naive to the fact that 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: that's happening, then you're probably the problem. And you probably 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: need to look at yourself in the mirror and try 42 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: to figure that out because that happens all the time, man, 43 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, to try to put that on Michigan and 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: make it seem like it's this big, crazy conspiracy going on, 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: it was just it was weird to me. 46 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: For for me, like, this is the problem when Michigan 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: and I don't know, when the sign Steeler he has 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: a military background. They now suspended him with pay because 49 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: of this. When Michigan was not in the College Football Playoff, 50 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: when Michigan was not in the top five consistently, when 51 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Michigan was not a threat, where was all this talk? Then? Yeah, 52 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: where was all this talk? But now Michigan is consistently 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: in the top five, Michigan is consistently a threat, Michigan 54 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: is consistently a College Football Playoff participant. Now we got 55 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: to figure out what is going on. Why, Oh, they're 56 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: stealing signs. This is called scouting. This is what everybody's doing. 57 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: How about you huddle up and then they couldn't steal 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: your science? How about that? Like, did you ever think 59 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: of that? Just getting a huddle and your science can't 60 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: be stolen, or stop having your signs so simple to 61 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: where they can be stolen. I mean when we played 62 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: this was commonplace where teams started going no huddle because 63 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: you had to signal your signs in and defensively, offenses 64 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: were still in signs. Like when the NDI Napolis coach, 65 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: they were the first team to do this. They were 66 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: stealing signs and they were going no huddle and grass 67 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: on the field play ball. Yeah, and so it was 68 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: it was commonplace. If your signs are that easy to 69 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: where they can be deciphered, change them. Yes, this has 70 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: been happening in NFL, and this is why now the 71 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: defensive captain so to speak, gets the defensive signal now 72 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: through the earpiece in his helmet. Because of that. We 73 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: did it in Cincinnati, the Coats were doing everybody in 74 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: the league was doing it. This is just scouting. If 75 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: your signs are that easy, change them, Like, you can't 76 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: be that to me. This is just bitterness towards hardball 77 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: and what he's accomplished at Michigan. They jealous, man, because 78 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: when Michigan wasn't winning at the rate and level that 79 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: they're winning at now, this wasn't Nobody was talking about this. Yeah, 80 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: But because Michigan is now a problem, now, we got 81 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: to figure out why are they a problem? Oh, they're cheating. No, 82 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: they're not cheating. They're just out coaching you right now. 83 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: And that's all. That's how I see it. Michigan coaches 84 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: and staffers and whomever else they have working for them, 85 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: they're just better than everybody else right now at figuring 86 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: things out and so get better. And that's just my opinion. 87 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't like these people and these teams that complain 88 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: about stuff because you can't beat them. Because when you 89 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: were beating them, it wasn't a problem. But now that 90 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: you can't beat them, it's a problem. And you went 91 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: to the principal's office and you told And. 92 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: The thing that you just said that makes makes a 93 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: lot of sense is Jim Harbrough is an NFL guy too, 94 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: and so the fact that he was around that era 95 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: there you're talking about where the sign I'm putting air 96 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: quotes up, the sign stilling error was going on. He 97 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: was in the NFL. He was a part of that 98 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: right like he was just getting back. I think he 99 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: was in Stanford for a while there, but then came 100 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: to the NFL. And so he has those NFL principles 101 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: and he understands how important it is to get the 102 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: advantage legally, you do everything you can legally to get 103 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: to that point. And that's a part of it. That's 104 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: just a part of football. 105 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Man. 106 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: If you're not aware and trying to understand what the 107 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: other team is doing to the utmost, then you're not 108 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: doing your job. So I just call this in this 109 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: whole fiasco, the Michigan staff doing your job. 110 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: That's it. 111 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: I don't understand just just the level of complain just 112 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: because they're they're good now, I mean, it's very simple. 113 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: They're good, and so we got to figure out why 114 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: they're so good. It can't be many they've turned it around. 115 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: We got to really delve into what is going on 116 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: and the who's this Connor Stallion's guy? Who is this guy? 117 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: And so they delve into it, and they look into it, 118 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: and he's like the focal point of the investigation. And 119 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: he's at these games scouting wearing Michigan uniform and Michigan gear, 120 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: and to me, it's just to me, it's sour grapes. 121 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: It really is. And the season Michigan they haven't won 122 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: a national championship, they're competing for one each and every year. 123 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 1: Now his recruiting classes are better. Harball is a fantastic coach. 124 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: And I don't personally know Harball. I just know a 125 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: winner when I see one. Everywhere he's been, he's won. 126 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: You go to the University of San Diego, they weren't 127 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: anything before he got there. Oh he won their Left 128 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: when he went to Stafford, they were in between a 129 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: rock and a hard place. Oh he wanted Stafford as well. 130 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: He goes to the forty nine Ers. The forty nine 131 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: ers were not the forty nine ers that we see today. 132 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: They were struggling just to win a handful of games 133 00:08:54,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: each season. And he took them to a super Bowl 134 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: and did very well. Left and goes to Michigan. And 135 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: when he went to Michigan, and I believe he succeeded 136 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: Brady Hope. Michigan was nowhere near what they are to day, 137 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: and look where they are. So when you look at 138 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Harball's track record, all it does is say I'm a winner. 139 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: All I do is win wherever I go. It may 140 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: take me some time, but I'm going to win. And 141 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: now the jealousy kicks in because I've done I'm doing 142 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: what I've always done, and that's just rebuild a program. 143 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: And when this is what he does this is in 144 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: his DNA. You give him a project and he turns 145 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: it into a masterpiece. And that's what he's done in Michigan, 146 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: short of winning the National championship. And now you got 147 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: all the cry babies in the Big Ten because they 148 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: can't beat Michigan. They're crying about it. Get better, get 149 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: better scouts, and if you want to call it sign stealing, 150 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: get better people that can steal signs. I mean, it's 151 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: not that hard. It really isn't. All you gotta do 152 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: is look and decipher of what's going on. And so 153 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't like the finger pointing and everybody given, not 154 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: given the Michigan players and program their credit because this 155 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: takes away from what they've done. Oh they're still in signs. 156 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: They know what we're doing. Change them, huddle up if 157 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: you know that's the case, use your old signs as 158 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: a dummy signal exactly, and now you change like that's 159 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that hard to do. But again, 160 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: common sense isn't always so common care, It really isn't. 161 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: I started to notice that the more the more that 162 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm really getting back to the game, that there was 163 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: a time period when I retired that a couple of years, 164 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: I wasn't really watching football at all on any level. 165 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: And so nowadays, man, with everybody talking about it, everybody 166 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: you know, really being back involved, and I think the 167 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: game has gotten so widely watched by just you know, 168 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: not even your your football enthusiasts. I think a lot 169 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: of people are starting to just come to the game. 170 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: Obviously we have you know, pop stars and other people 171 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: that are you know, bringing new fans to the game, 172 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: but just the amount of awareness and the amount of 173 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: stories and situations that really doesn't involve the game or 174 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: seeping into this and seeping into it a little bit. 175 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, people are trying to 176 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: make sure there's no cheating going on, the product is clean, 177 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: and all these things. But at the end of the day, man, 178 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: it's football. Either either you're a good coach or you're 179 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: a coach that can't get it done. Either you're a 180 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: good player or you're a player that can't get it done. 181 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: And so I think you learn from those processes. But 182 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, man, hardball has won at 183 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: every level. He's been a winner. He's going to surround 184 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: himself with the best, and you know, like I said, 185 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: the best is going to do everything they can legally 186 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: to win games. And that's what they do. 187 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: To me, it's exactly what you said you every coach 188 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: in every program, whether it's college or the NFL, you 189 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: should be pushing the envelope. Yeah, to give yourself and 190 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: your team an advantage. Very simple. They had. They seem 191 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: to have it all for holball hardball. A few years ago. 192 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: He's doing these setite camps in my city that you 193 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing that. Why not this year they agreed 194 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: to a suspension with the NCAA, and then that didn't happen, 195 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: and then Michigan gave him a self imposed three games 196 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: suspension to start the season for whatever. Yeah, but hey, Michigan, 197 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: you better look in the mirror and be thankful for 198 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: what you have, because when it's gone, it's like a 199 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: good wife. If you ain't getting her back, she got 200 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: somebody else, and it's your bad. And so I don't 201 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't like it. Obviously you don't like it. Let's 202 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: hope that nothing comes from it. I don't believe it's cheating. 203 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: To me, it's just really it's scouting, and that if 204 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: they weren't winning, nobody would care. We gotta take a break. 205 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: That's Carrie Rose. I'm tjhushman Zada up on Game Fox 206 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: Sports Radio will be right back. Welcome back in up 207 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: on Game Live from the Tireck dot com studio. I'm 208 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Tjhushmanzada alongside Carrie Rose. If you like using debit over credit, 209 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't you also get rewarded? Well, now you can with 210 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: Discover cash Back Debit. 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So I'm sure 220 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: people thinking, like, you know who they won the game? 221 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 4: They won the Packers game. You know, why is there 222 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: an issue? I mean, you see why it is the issue. 223 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: You know, y'all should know who I am know what 224 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: I'm about at this point. When you're a player like me, mentally, 225 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: my benchmark is not wins and losses, is greatness. So 226 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 4: when I go out there, I expect to be able 227 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: to have that ability to put that on tape and 228 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 4: have an influence on the game. And that's, like I 229 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 4: say every week, that's the my purpose for being here. 230 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: I'm not here just to hang out and came here 231 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: to win and to do it the right way. If 232 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: it don't look like you're supposed to look, then I mean, 233 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be frustrated if I'm not a part of 234 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 4: that plan, because, as you know I have, I have 235 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: the opportunity to go and make to change that and 236 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: make it look like a much better picture out there. 237 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: And if that doesn't happen, then i'n be frustrated. If 238 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 4: if Jacobe goes out and have a monster game, or 239 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 4: if the offense is scoring every five plays like the 240 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: you know, our first driving the bills, then it is 241 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: what it is. I don't you know, it's not about me, 242 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: but you know I'm one of the bigger pieces, you know, 243 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: as to why this offense is gonna go. And if 244 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 4: I'm not getting it, then that's obviously not according to plan. 245 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, what are your thoughts? Obviously I was a 246 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: temperamental player, I play with a temperamental player. I think 247 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: a lot of receivers are. I'll let you give your opinion, 248 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: your thoughts, and then I'll follow suit. 249 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: You know what I think he actually address there really well, Yes, 250 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: receivers are very temperamental, and I think you know, I 251 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: think it from the outside looking in, I will say 252 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: that I think the response to that would be, for me, 253 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: if the team's winning, which he said, or if the 254 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: team's having success, which he said, then he's fine with it, right, 255 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: he's fine with I mean, and I don't think he's 256 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: actually fine with it, but I'm saying the fact that 257 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: he said it. I think that's a really good response 258 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: to that. But at the end of the day, when 259 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: you're as talented as Davante is in such a game changer, 260 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: game brecker the way that he can be, and the 261 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: fact that his team's not getting it done at his liking, 262 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: he's going to have something to say about that. And 263 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: I think there's some validity to that. But they also 264 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: just came off a win, so I think the time 265 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: and place that he said that people can take it 266 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: a certain way, but what he said was absolutely correct 267 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: and what any top tier player or receiver would say. 268 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: I mean, they want the ball. They want to be 269 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: the reason that their team is moving the ball and 270 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: having success. But I think what he said in that 271 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: whole soliloquy was pretty accurate, and I wouldn't really hold 272 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: that against him, just my opinion. 273 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: This is the thing. I agree with what he said, 274 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: I just don't agree when he said it exactly. When 275 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: when you make these statements after the game, yeah, that 276 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: you just won, it comes off as if you don't 277 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: care that you won, you just want the ball, And 278 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: so you would have liked the statement to be been 279 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: made after a loss. And basically this is what he's saying, guys, 280 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: just just so you know, when they throw me the ball, 281 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: I believe the Las Vegas Raiders have a much greater 282 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: chance to win when I'm involved in the offense and 283 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm getting a ton of targets because I'm the best 284 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: receiver on the team. I'm one of the best receivers 285 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: in the league, one of the best receivers of the 286 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: league has seen in the last fifteen years to be 287 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: honest with you. And so when I'm involved, the chance 288 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: is for my team to win, it's increased. But after 289 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: a win, it sounds it just doesn't come off the 290 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: correct way. And so he said what he said, and 291 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: he's not wrong, but he's wrong and when he said it, 292 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: when he delivered this message, because it just it comes 293 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: off as selfish, even though, like I said, he's right, 294 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: he's right. 295 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 296 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: And so first game carry he had twenty targets. Did 297 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: first game of the season he had twenty targets. 298 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: How many catches did he have that game? 299 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: I believe he had thirteen or fourteen, if I'm not mistaken. 300 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: And so for the most part, Josh McDaniels has shown 301 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: we got to get the ball to you for us 302 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: to have a chance. I just don't like it after 303 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: a win. But he's not wrong, he's not wrong. The 304 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: Raiders aren't going anywhere, and there's no team in the 305 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: National Football League that will win at the highest levels 306 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: if their best players aren't getting the ball. This is 307 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: why you pay him what you pay him. This is 308 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: why you trade. You traded and gave up what you 309 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: gave up to get him, and then signed him to 310 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: a lucrative extension because he is now not even it's 311 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: not even close your best offensive player. So you should 312 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 1: look to him, and I'm sure they are. It's just 313 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: you can't force from the ball yea. If anything, it's 314 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: just bad timing, that's all it is. 315 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Do you think he's gonna you think he's gonna end 316 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: up staying in in Vegas? 317 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: What do you think about that? 318 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't believe he wants to stay there. Yeah, Like, 319 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: just why would he? Why would he at this point 320 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: when you've had all the individual accolades that he's had, 321 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: made all the money that you could possibly make. I 322 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: mean he set Yeah, at this point. Now it's about 323 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: winning at the highest of levels and he's yet to 324 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: do that. And so yeah, I believe he would. He 325 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't mind moving on just because the Raiders don't have 326 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Jimmy G is doing what Jimmy G always does. 327 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: He's gonna miss a good portion of the season every 328 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: season that he plays in, He's going to miss games. Yeah, 329 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: and so he does. DeVante doesn't have the quarterback that 330 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: he's a cousin to. When Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr, 331 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: he went to the Raiders because of Car. Now Carr 332 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: is gone. Yeah, I don't believe they'll trade him, but 333 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: I know he wouldn't mind it, and this could be 334 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: part of the reason he said what he said. 335 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: I think. 336 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: So that's that's my point, That's what I was getting to. 337 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that he said it at that 338 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: point after a win, it just doesn't, like we both said, 339 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: it doesn't really sit well, right, It doesn't sit well 340 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: in the locker room. 341 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 3: And and you know. 342 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: The head coaching, the head coach over there, he's a 343 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: Belichick guy, and he don't like guys that speak up 344 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: over the system, over the team. And so I mean, 345 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: obviously it's Davante Adams. I mean, he's gonna have a 346 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: little leeway, but there's a way out for him. And 347 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: I think this is part of a bigger plan. I 348 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: think there's a conspiracy going on with his mindset and 349 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: what he's thinking. So that's that's that's my feel for it. 350 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it will be in. I don't believe he'll be traded, 351 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: but I I'm sure he's open to being traded, just 352 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: to just look at the the reasons he went there, 353 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: specifically for car. Cars no longer there. Yeah, yeah, but 354 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean again, like I said earlier message, good timing 355 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: awful yeh, I loo perfect timing. Give us an update, 356 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: Isaac lorn Crime. We have him with these updates. 357 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 5: All right, fellas, Let's start back at the Horseshoe, where 358 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 5: number three Ohio State is just taking a ten to 359 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: three lead over seventh ranked Penn State midway through the 360 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 5: second quarter on a two yard touchdown run by Mayan Williams. 361 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 5: Sixth ranked Oklahoma actually fell behind Central Florida ten seven, 362 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 5: but the Suitors have just come back to take the 363 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 5: lead out of forty two yard touchdown pass from Dylan 364 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 5: Gabriel to Nick Anderson. Elsewhere in the top twenty five, 365 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 5: number twenty two Air Force a seven tozering halftime lead 366 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 5: at Navy. In the NFL, the Detroit Lions announced the 367 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 5: receiver Marvin Jones will not play tomorrow at Baltimore due 368 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 5: to personal reasons, while cornerback Jerry Jacobs has been added 369 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 5: to the injury report due to a knee injury. He's 370 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 5: officially listed as questionable. The Ravens meanwhile added cornerback Marlon 371 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 5: Humphrey to their injury report. He's questionable due to illness. 372 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 5: The Miami Dolphins activated running back Jeff Wilson off injured reserve. Finally, 373 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 5: the Pittsburgh Steelers today a play tight end Pat Frairmouth 374 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: on injured reserve due to a hamstring injury, and activated 375 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: receiver Deontay Johnson from injured reserve. 376 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: Fellas back to. 377 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: You, Yeah, hey, we just went from one receiver. Now 378 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: let's go to another. I don't know I would call 379 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: him disgruntled, but he doesn't seem to be very coachable. 380 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf was like, man, listen, I ain't changing the 381 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: way I play. I don't care if you like it. 382 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be me. We have sound and so we'll 383 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: just let him tell us how he feels about everything 384 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: and what he will and will not do. 385 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 6: It was just a bored to me. I mean, I'm 386 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 6: not gonna change the way I play. If you look 387 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 6: at the penalties as a taunting, unnecessary roughness, face mask, colding, 388 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 6: and I think it was one more in there. So 389 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 6: I'm doing pretty good if I look at it and 390 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 6: judge myself, you know, on how I play and just 391 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 6: try to be consistent and you know, have clean hands 392 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 6: or whatever the case may to be. But you know, 393 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 6: I'm not going to change who I am as a 394 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 6: as a player or a person. 395 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: I just I feel like when you lead the league 396 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: in penalties by a long shot by a receiver, Yeah, 397 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: whether you change or you don't change, you must say, oh, 398 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that under control. You can't. You can't 399 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: come out and say I'm not changing and you got 400 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: all these penalties. You can't. You can't do those type 401 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: of like huh. And even even when when they played 402 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals, right, he got a personal foul for hitting 403 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: Cam Taylor britt Lake. Yeah, he said, I didn't I 404 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: didn't think the play was over. I didn't hear a whistle. 405 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: But when you rewatch the play, when the whistle was blown, 406 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: he completely stopped and started walking and then just like, oh, 407 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: let me just go hit him in his back. 408 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Like. 409 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: But to me, Pete Curll lets his players be themselves, 410 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: and this is him being himself. It's hurting the team. 411 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: These penalties are hurting the team. And you can play hard, 412 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: but be smart. Nobody's telling you to stop playing hard 413 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: and blocking and really getting after it, do all of 414 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: those things. Just be smart about it. Like, if you 415 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: want to physically punish a safety corner or even a 416 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: linebacker because DK is big enough. Can you be smart 417 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: about it? 418 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, DK can't cost your team. 419 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, DK seems a little and it's just from the 420 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: outside looking at I don't know him at all, and 421 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: I don't watch Seattle enough to really know, but some 422 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: of the stuff that he does, man, it seems very 423 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 2: self absorbed. It seems like he he gets lost in 424 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: himself a little bit too much. And again I don't 425 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: know him. It is just from the outside looking in, 426 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: it just seems that way. And then to have a 427 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: response like that when yes, we want you to play hard, 428 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: we know how talented you are, we know you're a freak. 429 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: All the things that are true about him, they are true, 430 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: but this is true as well. He's costing this team. 431 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: He's putting he's putting this team behind the eight ball 432 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: a couple of times this year. And the fact that 433 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: he's not coming out I'm saying he's willing to change 434 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 2: that or willing to rectify that for the team. I mean, 435 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: it's just it's not a good look for man. And 436 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: like I said, I know, I mean he also looks 437 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 2: like a good kid too, but very much self absorbed 438 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: in the things that are happening to him and not 439 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: really as concerned about what the effect is for the team. 440 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 3: So it's a little disturbing. 441 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: And again, like I was an emotional player, I got 442 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: into it with a lot of guys in a secondary 443 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: damn near every game I played in, I really did. 444 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: And so I get that part of it. And he 445 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: plays a physical style. But those penalties they hurting the team. 446 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: There's no other way around it. Those penalties are hurting 447 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: the team. And so if you're a leader of that 448 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: team and it's hurting the team, you got to stop it. 449 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: And if he is, is it going to stop somebody 450 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: else that's a leader on that team needs to say 451 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: something to me exactly yeah, because since he's come into 452 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: the lead, he has five more penalties than the next 453 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: closest receiver, and receivers really don't commit penalties. That's great, 454 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: like we you really you may get an occasional hold, 455 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: a false start, but those face masks and unsportsmanlike and 456 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: late hits, and to me, you can't. I just don't 457 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: see how you can say I'm not gonna change at 458 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: least tell me you gonna change it. Don't change exactly 459 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: at least, yes, you know, I'm gonna work on it. 460 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: I gotta figure that out. You know, these unnecessary roughness penalties, 461 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: it's costing us. That's to me is what should be said. Yeah, 462 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna try to fix it. But to say 463 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: that to me a slap in the face to Pete Curle. Yeah, 464 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: because Pete Curle has come out and said, yeah he 465 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: needs a change, he's gonna No, No, I'm not changing anything. 466 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: It's a stop in the face to your teammates that 467 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: are counting on you. Because when you do that, you're 468 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: hurting us. So you're basically saying, y'all don't matter about me. 469 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 3: It's about me, and so. 470 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: You you got to at least verbally say I'm willing 471 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: to work on that and change that, yes, because it's 472 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: hurting the team. So the fact that he isn't to 473 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: me that that's concerning. 474 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the part. 475 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: It's no, it's no awareness outside of him, you know 476 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, it's I'm doing what I'm doing. 477 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: This is me. 478 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: Fine, those things are true, and that can be true, 479 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: but it's not. It's not just about him. And so 480 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: if you're not you don't have any awareness surrounding that, 481 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: and you're not willing to do that for your team, 482 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: then you're hurting the whole situation there. So yeah, I 483 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: hope he I hope he realizes what he said here, 484 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: and I hope he has a chance to erect that 485 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: or you know, behind closed doors, maybe he's maybe he's 486 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: talked to the team there, so we don't know that, 487 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: and that could be a thing. 488 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: And the officials are human, yeah, they they know. So 489 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: now moving forward. 490 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: They're looking they're gonna be looking for. 491 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: This like, oh, he ain't gonna change, all right, I 492 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: got DeKay this game, all right, let him do anything 493 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: that's remotely close. They watched TV. Yes, I'm sure they 494 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't be jaded by what it's being said and influenced. 495 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: But if he does anything that resembles a late hit, 496 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: unnecessary roughness, or they're gonna be more apt to call 497 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: it because he said I'm not changing, So okay, you're 498 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: gonna be who you are, all right, We're gonna throw 499 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: this flag then, And I just think it just sets 500 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: a bad precedent moving forward. He will not get the 501 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt in any of these calls because 502 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to change. I'm gonna be who I am. 503 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a good look. They need 504 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: to city and Bobby Wagner's back with the Seahawks. If 505 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: you're not gonna do it with Pete Currow asking you, 506 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: at least Bobby Wagner should sitting down and say, bro, 507 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: you're hurting us. We need you. And if you if 508 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: he can't figure this out, they're going they gotta do something. Yeah, 509 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: you can't just let a player say no, I'm not changing, 510 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: and you call you can't let that happen. And I'm 511 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: a player and I was very temperamental, and you can't. 512 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: You just can't do that, man, you really can't. But 513 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: and I will say this, there's a lot of things 514 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: that coaches would do or say when I was playing, 515 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: and I would just want to be defiant just because. 516 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: And as I stopped playing, like marvel Lewis, I'll never 517 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: forget this man, And I hated it. He used to 518 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: be like, I want everybody's shirt tucked in during practice 519 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: in I'm like, bruh, we're running, the shirt's gonna. 520 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: Come out, yea. 521 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: And so he didn't care, and so I said, you 522 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: know what, I'm not gonna be able to tuck my 523 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 1: shirt in right, So I'm gonna go get the smallest 524 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: possible shirt, cut it to right where it stops at 525 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: the jersey, so now I can't tuck it in. And 526 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: I was being somewhat defiant, not because I just didn't 527 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: want to tuck my shirt in, but I agreed to 528 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: do what he wanted. And I could have said, you 529 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna leave my shirt out. I don't care. 530 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm a starter, I'm one of the better players on 531 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: the team. What are you gonna do? Like? I could 532 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: have had that attitude, but I didn't. And now that 533 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm not playing, I get it. It's crazy how you 534 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: have to get out of it and mature a little more. 535 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: It's not that he's trying to control that. If he 536 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: can't get me to do the little things, how can 537 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: he count on me when it's a being exactly the 538 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: little thing, just touch shirt in? If I can't rely 539 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: on you to do something so small, how cannot rely 540 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: on you when it really matters. And so that's where 541 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: I believe he needs to show some discipline. Don't do 542 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: it for yourself, do it for your teammates, because this 543 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: the game of football. You need eleven guys helping eleven 544 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: to get to where we want to go. Do it 545 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: for your teammates. We gotta take a break to show 546 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: us almost over. That's Carry Rhodes. I'm TJ Houshman Zada, 547 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio up on game, will be right back. 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Bundle and 569 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: save at Progressive dot com and welcome back in up 570 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: on game Live from the tire wreck dot Com studio. 571 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Houshman's out alongside Carry Rhodes. Now what we 572 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: do every week at this time up on game, down 573 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 1: on game Plex, and LaVar ain't here, and it's good. 574 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: I dominate them in this job, just so you know, 575 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: so hopefully get some new competition may make it a 576 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: little more competitive. 577 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: Oh what's going down? It's not gonna be easy to 578 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: win for you today. 579 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: Well, let's rock and roll because I'm dominating. 580 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 2: Done for some picks. 581 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 7: Are you up on game? 582 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 3: Let's creak this up. 583 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 8: Let's creak it up down on game All right, guys, 584 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 8: welcome in here. First game up. I don't have the 585 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 8: records from last week, but you know what, we'll just 586 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 8: one straight on. Yeah, one wins. TJ wins by default. 587 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 8: The other two ain't here to contest it. What can 588 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 8: we say? So let's start here. We got an AFC 589 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 8: East match up the Buffalo Bills are on the roads 590 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 8: the New England Patriots. Bills are an eight point favorite 591 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 8: on the road, and total here is at forty. 592 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: Go ahead, you first, you said eight points, like that's 593 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: a lot when it's the Patriots playing. No, I know, 594 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Buffalo Bills and I'm gonna probably 595 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: go under because i just don't think the Patriots. I mean, 596 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: the Bills can score forty by themselves. So I'm gonna 597 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: go Buffalo Bills. Divisional game. Yeah, the Patriots are a 598 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: train wreck, So I'm going to Bills, and let's say 599 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: I'll go under. 600 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say under the forty, but I'm also going 601 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 2: to go under. I'm gonna take the Patriots plus eight. 602 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 3: Wow. 603 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Buffalo historically and with the Patriots they have 604 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: a tough game, so. 605 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: That's a big help. 606 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see. 607 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 2: Well. 608 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 8: From one divisional matchup, let's go to another. We're going 609 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 8: out West Chargers at Chiefs. Chiefs are a five and 610 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 8: a half point favorite at home. Total in this game 611 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 8: over under forty seven. 612 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 3: And a half. 613 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, look, the Chiefs are winning games because they 614 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: have the number two defense in the league, not because 615 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: of the offense Pat Mahomes having his worst offensive season ever, 616 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: Chargers need to bounce back. I'm taking the Chargers. I 617 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: get five points. They've played well consistently against the Kansas 618 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, so I'm gonna take the Chargers. A lot 619 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: of points will be scored, and I'm gonna take the over. 620 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: I agree with you on the Chargers bouncing back and winning, 621 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 2: So I'm with you on that. 622 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 3: Oh, but I. 623 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: Take the under here because of what you just said 624 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: about the Chiefs defense. They're gonna keep it close and 625 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a lower scoring game than people may think. 626 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 8: Your defense has taken steps this year, for sure. All right, now, 627 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 8: we're taking our attention over to the Green Bay Packers, 628 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 8: who probably don't want the attention. They've been licking their 629 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 8: wounds now from two straight losses, another last one coming 630 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 8: on against the Las Vegas Raiders. They, however, are going 631 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 8: on to another team. They're gonna be at Denver facing 632 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 8: the Broncos. Now again, the Packers have been losing to 633 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 8: someone like the Raiders. Can they avoid it against the Broncos. 634 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 8: Packers are one and a half point favorite on the 635 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 8: road total in this game forty five points over under Man. 636 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: This is tough. 637 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: It is. 638 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you picked the the best of 639 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: the worst. I don't know. I'm gonna take the Green 640 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. I believe overall they're the better team. Denver 641 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: is really really struggling. Denver has no defense, so this 642 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: for sure will go over. But yeah, I'm gonna take 643 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. 644 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 2: And over oh man. Yeah, this game was a loop, Chris. 645 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 2: I can't believe you through this and out there. But 646 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: I'm actually going to take Denver in this game and 647 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: the mile High I'm gonna get one sometimes. 648 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, hey, this is where we just we blindfolded 649 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: and we just throw exactly right. 650 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, this one, this one won't be as a dart 651 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 8: throw A forty nine Ers are on the road seven 652 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 8: touchdown favorite in Minnesota against the Minutes. So the Vikings 653 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 8: over under forty four points. 654 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: Here justin Jefferson is not playing. The forty nine Ers 655 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: are banged up. We don't know if de Bo's gonna play. 656 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: We don't know if McCaffrey's gonna play. I don't believe 657 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: that matter. Because the Brock Party didn't have his best 658 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: game last week. He will bounce back and the Vikings 659 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: they're just struggling right now. I'm gonna take the forty 660 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: nine ers. I'll give up the touchdown. I'm not worried 661 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: about that, and it's gonna I believe it'll go under. 662 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll go under. And I also believe 663 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: that the forty nine ers will bounce back. Yeah, they're 664 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: not gonna play. TJ said it early yet. Good teams 665 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: don't play two back to back bad games, and so 666 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: I see them bouncing back winning this game pretty handedly. 667 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 3: That's up on Game Down, on Game. 668 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate y'all locking in with us. Carrie, thank 669 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: you for joining us Fox Sports Radio. Up on Game 670 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: that's Carrie Rhodes. I'm tj Ushimzada. We'll see y'all next week. 671 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: Have a great weekend.