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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess, Hilarrys, Charlamagne, the Guy. We

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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club Justice out of course, maternity leave.

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Speaker 2: So Laura le Rosa's feeling.

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Speaker 3: In and we got a special guest in the building. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and be Mickey Guiding. Welcome.

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Speaker 4: I am so so so excited to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, welcome, it's my feeling.

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Speaker 4: I'm feeling really really good. I just admire you guys,

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Speaker 4: and I've listened to you guys for a long time,

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Speaker 4: so it just really means a lot.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mickey. We appreciate you having no taste in morning,

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Speaker 1: none at all. Thank you very much, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, none at all.

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Speaker 1: Who is Mickey.

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Speaker 4: Guiton For people that don't know, you know, I am

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Speaker 4: a black country singer, the first female that has been

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Speaker 4: nominated for a Grammy and Best Performance, a Best Country

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Speaker 4: Performance and Best Country Album. And I've just been fighting

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Speaker 4: the fight and trying to discover all these different country

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Speaker 4: artists to give them opportunities and equality and a genre

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Speaker 4: that started bath.

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Speaker 3: And what made you fall in love with country music?

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Speaker 4: So I know I know you would think, well, first

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Speaker 4: of all, a lot of black people love country music.

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Speaker 4: I'm from Waco, Texas or Crawford, Texas. And I started, yeah,

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Speaker 4: yes we did, Yes, we did, Yes we did. When

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Speaker 4: you go to the Country Music Hall of Fame, one

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Speaker 4: of the first things you see or black people picking

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Speaker 4: on the porch. So it's really important. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure, I'm sure, but yeah, not cotten, but yes,

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Speaker 4: so I was. I went to a a Southern Baptist

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Speaker 4: and I was all the way in the noseweeds section.

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Speaker 4: I heard a girl named Leanne Rhyme sing the national

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Speaker 5: Wow, when were year like before you decided to get

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Speaker 6: Like what were you doing singing then? And like what

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Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, I sang in the church, but I listened

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Speaker 4: to all genres of music. You know. I was a

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Speaker 4: huge fan of Whitney Houston, a huge fan of Brain

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Speaker 4: and Monica, like those are some of the people that

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Speaker 4: just decided I was singing demos and I was working

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Speaker 4: with this woman that wrote Sticket, that movie that whatever.

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Speaker 4: That movie was a long time ago, and I was

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Speaker 4: singing demos for her and she was like, Mickey, why

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Speaker 4: don't you sing country music? And I was like, well,

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Speaker 4: I've always loved it, but I mean, there's nobody of

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Speaker 4: us that looks like me in that genre. And she

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Speaker 4: was like, well you should, so here I am.

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Speaker 1: Well, what did define is country music nowadays?

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Speaker 7: Because you know what I want to I remember when

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Speaker 7: they was used to say Taylor Swift was a country

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Speaker 7: music artists, but then she sounded like she was making

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Speaker 7: pop record. Yeah, people say this new album of yours, yeah,

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Speaker 7: is borderline pops?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What is country music nowaday?

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Speaker 4: That's a good question because you know, country music borrows

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Speaker 4: from a lot of different genres. You know, if you

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Speaker 4: listen to some of the biggest country artists in the world,

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Speaker 4: they all have trap beats in their music. So that

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Speaker 4: is a good question. What is the sound of country music?

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Speaker 4: It's so funny that a lot of people want to

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Speaker 4: your intention is to make country music, whatever your country

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Speaker 4: music is for you is your music. Because country music

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Speaker 4: is all of our music. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Don't sound like country to me, but I'm like, well,

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Speaker 4: There's rock influences in country, there's hip hop influences in

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Speaker 4: of country music. Like genres, really are you know, really

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Speaker 2: People talk about there's so much racism in country music, right,

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Speaker 2: But they also said as a kid that you had

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Speaker 4: You know, listen, that is a good That is a

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Speaker 4: good question because you know, it shows itself all of

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Speaker 4: the time. It's something you know, sometimes you're just doing

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Speaker 4: the Lord's work. It's so important as black people that

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Speaker 4: country music is three chords in the truth, and you're

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Speaker 4: you writing that from that perspective? So I wrote Black

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Speaker 4: And from there I started thinking. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: to the genres. If you're in you know, in a

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Speaker 4: because let me tell you, it is hard. It's hard.

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Speaker 3: What was your biggest challenge?

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Speaker 4: You know, Country radio was one of the biggest challenges

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Speaker 2: Because I've seen that when Beyonce put out her records,

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Speaker 2: And how did you feel when she wasn't nominated for

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Speaker 4: I was very disappointed. I was very disappointed, you know,

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Speaker 4: that is it is what it is. You know, I can't,

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Speaker 4: you can't. You've got to show up and vote. I

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Speaker 4: guess this is all you can say. I can say.

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Speaker 4: It was really definitely disappointing because there was such a

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Speaker 7: You think she got to snow Because I asked that

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Speaker 7: not really. When I asked that she gets snubbed to say,

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Speaker 7: it's never been about album success. Tons of artists in

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Speaker 7: of industry from all over the country, and when an

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Speaker 7: to get them to vote for you. And then it

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Speaker 7: was telling me about like Zach Bryan got screwed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and that's very true too.

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Speaker 1: But then they talked about Shaboozie and I've never heard

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Speaker 1: of war and Treaty. They're black. Yeah, so they talked

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Speaker 4: Tanya was the girl and sister act and sing with

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Speaker 4: Lauren Hill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They don't really need to show way. Yeah wow.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically it is politics.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there is.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's politics in every award show, you know.

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Speaker 4: I just felt I was just really disappointed because I

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Speaker 4: great to see one thing American idol.

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Speaker 3: You tried off American you didn't make it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't make it. No, No, that show. It's so

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Speaker 4: hard doing shows like that because it's so relative. It's

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Speaker 4: like you're not singing your songs. You're singing somebody else's song,

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Speaker 4: somebody else's hit, and it takes a very special artist

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I love Randy. I love Randy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I actually had ran into Randy like a week after

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Speaker 4: He's a really great guy and I love him now.

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Speaker 7: The first track and I was called my side of

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Speaker 7: the Country, What does your side of the country look like?

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Speaker 4: So well, I live you know, I've lived in Texas,

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Speaker 4: but I also live in California, and I the reason

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Speaker 4: why I wrote that song. First of all, I wrote

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Speaker 4: just wanted to write a song because there's so many

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Speaker 4: versions of country music, which is what we were talking

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Speaker 4: about at the beginning of the show, Like there's West

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Speaker 4: Coast country, there's you know, New York country. I feel

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Speaker 4: to show all the different facets that my side of

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Speaker 4: the country looks like this. I've got a beach, but

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Speaker 4: I also wear cowboy boots. You know.

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Speaker 6: Well, I didn't know that there were like, like, how

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Speaker 6: is the West Coast, East Coast? Like there is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like if you look at like there's Bakersfield country,

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Speaker 4: like there's an artist named John Party. There's very specific

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Speaker 6: And you're really big into hip hop.

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Speaker 4: I was, so my son really loves hip hop. Three. Yes,

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Speaker 4: his favorite song is Euphoria at three at three and

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Speaker 4: he knows, and he knows every morning every morning. Really, yes, Mom,

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Speaker 4: play Euphoria Louder, Daddy Louder.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: How are some of the things that you watching hip

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Speaker 5: hop are? Just your relationships with hip hop artists? How

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Speaker 5: does that reflect your music? I know you're you and

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Speaker 7: How traumatizing is being a black person in country music,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so many, It'll show up in country music.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you're an emotion more earlier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't made me cry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's really hard. You know, even with Beyonce's

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: You know, I do believe that black women are the

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Speaker 7: Is it true that a few years ago when Morgan

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Speaker 3: Yes what, yes, stress, Yes.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry to happen to you and nobody to you.

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Speaker 6: There's the shoes here.

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Speaker 4: That's okay.

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Speaker 3: But now we understand you're fighting. You feel like you're

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Speaker 1: What kept you going after that?

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Speaker 6: How do you go?

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Speaker 8: You know, my my husband, the all the people that

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Speaker 4: There's black people that are attending cmafest that feel like

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Speaker 3: You feel nobody support you and has your back.

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Speaker 4: And oh, I have a lot of people that support

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: Britney Spencer is like one of my best friends and

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: It would just mean the world and y'all being here.

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Speaker 2: The sad thing about it is, I know, for myself,

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Speaker 2: But it's sad to say, but when Beyonce did the

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Speaker 4: So for me, it was Alice Randall, Yes, Alice Randall, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And there was a whole influx of country artists even

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Speaker 4: You know, and it's just so important again, black people

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Speaker 4: In corporations, they hear money. That's where they you know,

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Speaker 4: Tanna Radell, like, go to their shows, go to all

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Speaker 3: What is the show Neil this month?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you got a whole headline in toy that. What's

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Speaker 4: You know my first day is twenty six, Yeah, the

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Speaker 7: And also once you said once the because I want

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Speaker 7: There's equity in us and if we just get the opportunity,

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Speaker 1: Yes, so what is the possible possibility?

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Speaker 4: The possibility is to headline your own tour, be able

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Speaker 4: There's so many black people that love country music that

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I've.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think that it does unintentionally on Dolly's parts. Some

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I wanted to talk about your song Scary Love.

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Speaker 4: Of you, oh Man. So back in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 4: you know, social media in a sense of like all

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00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 4: the politics, Like I need to see love and light.

443
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 4: Give me a funny dog video, you know. Snoop Dogg

444
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 4: always has the best videos. I love watching his page

445
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 4: because they just bring a source of laughter. I think

446
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 4: as a whole we just need joy right now. Like

447
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 4: it's we're triggered constantly every single day, and so sometimes

448
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 4: you know it's okay to just take a sit back

449
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,959
Speaker 4: and take a break and not look at all that

450
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: because it's traumatizing every single day.

451
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 3: You have a think just getting off completely.

452
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, I mean I have my I have my

453
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 4: fence stuff. Okay, okay, but that's like my it's just

454
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 4: all my son. My son gives me such a source

455
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 4: of happiness. I don't want to say that I'm using

456
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 4: him to fulfill my happiness, but he gives me such

457
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: a purpose that I never felt before. And all I

458
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 4: want to do is just give him the best life

459
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 4: that you could possibly have.

460
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Speaker 1: You'll use your fence to the match energy. Like people

461
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: being racist to you.

462
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 4: I've found myself like typing it out and I'm like,

463
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 4: I've got a Scott I am not a YEO reviewer,

464
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 4: like leave it alok, yeah, I'll help you. Okay, okay,

465
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 4: I'll give you my login.

466
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Speaker 1: Why did you have a complicated relationship with God?

467
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Speaker 4: Well, I just think because you know, all the racism

468
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: that you see and all these people that claim to

469
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 4: love God are saying such terrible things to you, and

470
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: it just made me feel like like are you really there?

471
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 4: Why would you give us this fight in life? You know?

472
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 4: And but you know, I'm so grateful that the Lord

473
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 4: is near the broken hearted, right, and I think he

474
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: puts like where his people were, his children, and he

475
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 4: looks after us, and so yeah.

476
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Speaker 7: Before songs like scary love and black like me, what

477
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 7: were you writing about?

478
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Speaker 3: I was.

479
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 4: I was just trying to figure out what would advance

480
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: me in country music. I was trying to write what

481
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 4: I was trying to interpret that type of country music.

482
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 4: I just wanted to be accepted. So there was sometimes

483
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 4: I would go in writing sessions and I'll never forget it.

484
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 4: You know. They would write a song with oh and

485
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 4: his blue eyes, and I'm like, well, the man that

486
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 4: I love doesn't have blue eyes. He's got dark brown eyes,

487
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: you know. And I was, I was writing fake songs

488
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 4: about a fake life that I did not live.

489
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Speaker 6: You would still singing the song anyway?

490
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 4: No, No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't sing that. But when

491
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: we were writing, I didn't even have the courage to

492
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 4: be like right, you know, yeah and so but yeah,

493
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 4: I was writing about a fake life that I don't live.

494
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: And so I stopped doing that and I started really writing,

495
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: like just what country music is to me?

496
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Speaker 5: Are there any of your because I know also to

497
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 5: you just you love Globrilla, Yes, and that's like a

498
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 5: recent thing for you met her a couple.

499
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: Months ago, Yeah, I see, I love her. She's so

500
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 4: beautiful and just such a like sweet kind yeah, like

501
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: very spiritual. I do. I do. Like she's just I

502
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 4: wasn't expecting that, you know, like I love what she

503
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 4: says and her songs like, but I just I don't

504
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: think I was ever paying attention to like who she

505
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: really is and being around her. She's such a lovely

506
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: human being, and so is Cardi. I really love her

507
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: like she is just another person, Like I was expecting

508
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: something so different because you know, I follow her online

509
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 4: and I loved her personality. I loved her and love

510
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: and hip hop, and then you see her and she's

511
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 4: just this very kind and loving person. But I think

512
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 4: that's how all we all are. I did not know that, Wow, okay.

513
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 6: Would you bring any of the hip hop girls into

514
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 6: some of your music?

515
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 4: God, and they would have me yes, yes.

516
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 5: So it would be just Gloorala Cardi or who else

517
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 5: would Oh my god, I love I could see definitely.

518
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: Glow and I love me. But you know, I think

519
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: I just love all of them really, they're they're just.

520
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 7: I don't know what's the biggest misconception about country music,

521
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 7: because because I keep thinking about this Cowboy Carter album

522
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 7: and it's just like, did people buy that album? For

523
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 7: Beyonce are because they're really interested in country music.

524
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: I think, you know, those are her fans and they

525
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: they it's a new genre of music. Why not I

526
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: want to put on my boots and spurs, even though

527
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: we don't walk around on our spurs.

528
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: But you know that stereotypical like, yeah, I don't.

529
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 4: People don't wear walk you know. I think that's a

530
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: big misconception of country music. And as much as I

531
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: have been talking about, you know, racism and country music,

532
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: there are some really, really really good people in the genre.

533
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: Like there are you know, like Maren Morris or a

534
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: girl named cam Tyler. Hubbard is also a really really

535
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: good person in country music. Chris Stapleton, Jelly Roll. You know,

536
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: there's a really good group of people in there. So,

537
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to say everybody is horrible.

538
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 4: I'm not walking around these streets and people are like

539
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 4: waving their Confederate flags at me. That's not happening. But

540
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: I mean that has happened though.

541
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Speaker 7: But yeah, I think when you come from the come

542
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 7: from the rural South, right, Yeah, I think when you

543
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 7: come from the rural South, you know, one thing you

544
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 7: do realize in regards to race, it's more so class.

545
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: Than yeah anything.

546
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 7: Like you know, my my first white friend is a

547
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 7: guy named Thomas Evans, Like he used to live right

548
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 7: next door to me and him.

549
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, being way on the South, it's like.

550
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: We were just poor. Yeah, you know, we didn't the

551
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: racial dynamics that we got. Yeah we got older.

552
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 4: And I one hundred percent agree with that. You know,

553
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: my mom grew up really really poor in a town

554
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: called Rees, Texas, and she said, look, we all needed

555
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 4: to eat. It didn't matter what color you are, we

556
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: all needed to have some of this callous But yeah,

557
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: it's true. There's the classism for sure.

558
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 7: So I wondered, do they not see that, like at

559
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 7: least in country music, like we all come from the

560
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 7: same place in a lot of instances.

561
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 4: I sometimes I don't know, like these are these are

562
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: questions like I would love to know, because I don't.

563
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 4: I don't always know. Sometimes I don't even know if

564
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: people always see it, you know, Like I've gone on

565
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 4: a red carpet and a woman said, oh my god,

566
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: you're so tan, and I'm like, wow, what you know,

567
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: Like I don't, I don't know. I don't know. There's

568
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: maybe education that could be something that we need to

569
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: do more of.

570
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: But who do they want to have the discussion, because

571
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, no, of course it's not.

572
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: They're over it. They are ready to move on. I mean,

573
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: everybody's ready to move on from the discussion. You know.

574
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: DEI programs are getting shut down all across the board

575
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: and entertainment. Like it's really like everybody's done. They're over it.

576
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: And that's really hard. That's a tough pill to swallow,

577
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: it really is.

578
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 7: So how do you see the country music landscape five

579
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 7: years from now?

580
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Do things get better? Do more doors get knocked out?

581
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know, if you want to

582
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 4: be perfectly honest, I don't know. But we have a

583
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 4: lot of people. This woman back here, cameo Carlson, she

584
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: can come to the cookout. She started a program called

585
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 4: Equal Access and they give out grants to all these

586
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 4: artists from underserved communities, whether you're gay, black, Latino, whatever

587
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: you are, to give them an opportunity to record music

588
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: an album. And so there's people that are really doing things.

589
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: It's just I don't know. I don't know. I just

590
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: hope people don't get discouraged and don't want to keep

591
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 4: pursuing this genre of music. I hope Shaboozi is showing

592
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: you know that it can happen for anybody and maybe

593
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: inspiring more people to come to the genre, because I

594
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: believe that it is not enough for just one person

595
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: to be one person of color to be successful in

596
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: country music. That is not changed. Like you saw Charlie

597
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: Pride and that was it for the longest time. And

598
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: so it's like you have to help your people, like

599
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: change is all of you walking through that door together

600
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: and being able to have your own lucrative careers. Because

601
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: once you have your lucrative career, then you can have

602
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: opening acts that are of color that can have their

603
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: own careers. That's the only way, in my personal opinion,

604
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: that I can feel like we can see true change.

605
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: Well, let's play a joint off the ape.

606
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Let's play something off that I want to so.

607
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: People can hear exactly what we're talking about. What you

608
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: want to hear?

609
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: What you got?

610
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 7: My side of the country making me, making me here

611
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 7: with you, house on fire good?

612
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: My side of the country here with you is really good.

613
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: What do you think.

614
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: Fire house, house on fire? All right, Well, let's get

615
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: to it now. We appreciate you for joining.

616
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: Me so much.

617
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Show.

618
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 6: I want to experience a show. Now you got me excited.

619
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm gonna send the Morning just Cowboy Carter.

620
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 7: Come on, she said, that's why you got it. You

621
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 7: should get Mickey guid Who's our house on Fire? But

622
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 7: you should also read My Black Country by Alice Randam

623
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 7: telling you a gold hand in hand if you care

624
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 7: about country music and black people in the country music.

625
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: She breaks it down.

626
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 5: I just want to support you. I want you to

627
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: feel like it's not just you.

628
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. It's not just me and I

629
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: really you guys again. Just being here and giving me

630
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: this opportunity to talk to you guys has been a dream.

631
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: Well it's Mickey guiding ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for

632
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: joining us again.

633
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: Anytime you're in I'm pulling up and she's gonna be

634
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: in town on the thirty if a New York and

635
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: the thirty.

636
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: If you go Alonge, yeah, I'll go.

637
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: I'll give you my number.

638
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: Okay, see what date that is? What day is that?

639
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 6: Please hope it's a weekend.

640
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: No, it's not a weekend. It's Monday, so we can go.

641
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 6: Okay, this is for you.

642
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: Alice Randall is if you have read Oh, okay, okay,

643
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: I know Alice.

644
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: He's a professor at VANDIL.

645
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: I've gone and spoke in her class before. Noe, okay, absolutely,

646
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: Alice Randall's been.

647
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: She's been up.

648
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: Yes, she is well.

649
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: All right.

650
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass.

651
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Up in the morning. The Breakfast Club