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Speaker 1: After the Senate passes the so called Inflation Reduction Act

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Speaker 1: help make sense of it all, and we start. It's

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Speaker 1: I ruled Hungry. There you go. I'm sure Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: would put it differently. By the way, Donald Trump had

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Speaker 1: a thousand attendees. The straw Pole is something that you

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Speaker 1: know makes news every year, whether it shoot or not.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting that among those who voted, Rhonda Santis

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Speaker 1: got for Trump to Santa said, nobody else even close. Right,

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Speaker 1: it falls off a cliff the single digits after that,

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Speaker 1: So it really does reinforce this idea that Rhonda Santis

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Speaker 1: is the alternative right in fact, that the straw Pole

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Speaker 1: had a separate question that did not include Trump. If

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Speaker 1: Trump didn't run, who would um the Sea Pack attendees

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Speaker 1: select and De Santis was overwhelmingly the choice. Uh there.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think only Donald Trump Jr. The President's son,

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Speaker 1: like eight percentage points to like de Santis. Lastly, Mark,

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Speaker 1: you've done a few of these. As I mentioned, I

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Speaker 1: used to go to Sea Pack when it was still

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Speaker 1: by more news agencies. It's changed a lot. It's not

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Speaker 1: this is not to confuse our listeners, not a Republican event.

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Speaker 1: This is a conservative event, and in fact, the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party can take a lot of criticism. How far away

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Speaker 1: from the GOP is Sepack at this point? Um, well,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say. I mean, there's some who would

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Speaker 1: argue that, you know, the folks who go to Sea

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Speaker 1: Pack are the the Republican Party now or at least

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Speaker 1: you know, the controller or the majority of the Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: because you're right used to be, you know, very policy oriented.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of speeches about Mitt Romney dropped

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Speaker 1: out of the presidential race at Sea Pack. I remember

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Speaker 1: I was there. They wouldn't let him in there. Now, Mark,

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Speaker 1: to talk to you, by the way, that's your completely

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Speaker 1: out of time. Mark Niquette with us, will reassemble the

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Speaker 1: panel next. This is Bloomberg So Long with Joe Matthew

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. So Donald Trump wins the straw Pole.

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Speaker 1: But as Mark Niquette told us, there was a separate

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Speaker 1: question at Sea Pack, what would you do without Trump

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Speaker 1: as a candidate? In Ronda Santis was the overwhelming choice

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Speaker 1: at six. After that, again, off a cliff, it's down

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Speaker 1: to single digits. Let's reassemble the panel for a quick

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Speaker 1: turn on this and some of the other stories that

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Speaker 1: were following. Rick Davis is back with us, Jenny Shanz

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Speaker 1: and it was here Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, you've spent

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Speaker 1: your time, I'm sure going to Sea Packs you probably

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Speaker 1: chuckle up the straw pole. But it's interesting just to

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Speaker 1: look at everything after Trump on here. If he does

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Speaker 1: not run, Rhonda Santis is your nominee, right, is anyone

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Speaker 1: close to him? Well, I would first have to preface

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Speaker 1: everything by saying Sea Pack does not decide to nominate

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Speaker 1: the Repulican Party. Most of them they've endorsed in the

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Speaker 1: past have not actually succeeded, so so this is like

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Speaker 1: death either. But this is the party. I think they

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Speaker 1: reflect actually more the Donald Trump Party of the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party now than they probably ever have, in the sense

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Speaker 1: that they're kind of extreme right wing. Nationalism is where

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Speaker 1: the party is. It used to not be, but it

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Speaker 1: is now. The party is what you're saying. And uh,

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Speaker 1: And I think the fact that the SANTIS has gotten

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Speaker 1: basically the same amount of support without Trump on the

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Speaker 1: ballot that Trump got U indicates that unless someone knocks

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Speaker 1: him off that pedestal, he is is the inheritor of

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Speaker 1: the Trump legacy if Trump chooses not to run. Producer

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Speaker 1: Matt Shirley makes the point Ron Paul might have the

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Speaker 1: record for straw poles at SAPAX. So Mr Davis point taken. Jennie,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on this as a Democrat looking at this

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Speaker 1: from across the street, I guess you know. There was

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Speaker 1: a time you'd go into the There was in the

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Speaker 1: Omni Hotel in Washington. You go downstairs as a book fair. Downstairs.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loved the book fair. This time you go downstairs

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Speaker 1: there was a jail cell, among other things, with a

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Speaker 1: guy in there in an orange jumpsuit acting as one

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Speaker 1: of the January six perpetrators. Who was sent to jail

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Speaker 1: apparently wrongfully, and people would have their picture taken with him.

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Speaker 1: People might get in the cell with him. One of

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Speaker 1: them was Marjorie Taylor Green. Uh. To Rick's point, a

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Speaker 1: Republican Party getting closer to sepack means what, though, is

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Speaker 1: from an electoral politics standpoint. You know, I you know,

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Speaker 1: as you watch some of this, I have to imagine

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Speaker 1: and I wondered, are are the Democrats setting this up?

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Speaker 1: Because this is everything Democrats want to see in the

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Speaker 1: lead up to the mid term and in the presidential election.

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Speaker 1: The more Trump, the better, The more extremism the better.

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Speaker 1: The more my pillow people, the more than Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 1: You know all that. You know, Donald Trump has ranbo

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Speaker 1: jail cells with January six rioters. It's as if the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party is putting it all out there and they're

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Speaker 1: eating it up. The problem for the Republican Party, as

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Speaker 1: we know is this is succeeding to a certain extent.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has done very well in these mid term primaries.

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Speaker 1: The question is can they translate that into general election wins?

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Speaker 1: And you look at the polls in these big senate

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Speaker 1: states Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arizona, is some of the others, and

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Speaker 1: these more extremist Trump supported candidates are not polling so

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Speaker 1: well and they're not even able to raise the money

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Speaker 1: that they should. So that's the problem for the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party as a whole. And quite frankly, Mitch McConnell is

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Speaker 1: the one who said that early on these races are

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Speaker 1: about candidates. You've got to get candidates elected in a

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Speaker 1: general election, not just a primary quality candidate issue. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Is when we've been hearing a lot about Rick on

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Speaker 1: the Republican side, as Democrats try to prop up what

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Speaker 1: they see as easier to defeat MAGA sort of candidates.

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Speaker 1: If there's a better name for them, you can tell

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Speaker 1: me the herschel Walkers, the JD Advances. There are other

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Speaker 1: better examples you could come up with. I'm sure, but

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a big story going into

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Speaker 1: the mid terms here and whether Republicans can take over

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Speaker 1: the Senate with some of these nominees. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think that if this were not a year where

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Speaker 1: Republicans have an innate advantage. Uh, you know, generic party

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Speaker 1: ballot is up. Uh, it's a mid term which the

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Speaker 1: party out of power tends to do well. And you

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Speaker 1: can't get more out of power than the Republicans right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: Then then I would say none of these candidates in

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Speaker 1: the fringe that you've just described, Carry Lake in Arizona

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Speaker 1: included this last week. I think they would all lose badly. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the cycle could be so strong that they become competitive.

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing that baffles me so much

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Speaker 1: about the tea leaves at the Democratic Party of Reading

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Speaker 1: where they're actually helping these candidates get nominated and if

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Speaker 1: any one of them gets elected, pos on the Democrat strategy.

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Speaker 1: And it's not a new one, but but if the

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Speaker 1: outcome could be very different this time looking at the

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Speaker 1: at the race in Pennsylvania. We haven't had a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk about this one in a while, of course,

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Speaker 1: John Federman the Democrat up against Dr Oz Memo Oz.

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Speaker 1: And the last time we got to this, um, I

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Speaker 1: believe Snooky was the hook. Remember he did Fetterman's has

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Speaker 1: has He's been trying to get people from New Jersey

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Speaker 1: the home place at least at one point of Dr Ross,

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Speaker 1: to try to troll him a little bit. Snooky was one.

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Speaker 1: Enter Stevie van zandt let's hear it, yo dot does

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Speaker 1: Stevie vs here? What are you doing in Pennsylvania? Everybody

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Speaker 1: knows you live in New Jerry See and you're just

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Speaker 1: using your in laws address over there. And you do

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Speaker 1: not want to mess around with John Fetterman. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: he's a little out of your league. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: see you get embarrassed. So come on back to Jersey

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Speaker 1: where you belong, and we'll have some fun. Now, we'll

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Speaker 1: go to the beach, we'll go surfing there you go,

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Speaker 1: come on, Okay, then there'll be more where these came from,

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Speaker 1: you know, Stevie van zand uh Bruce Springsteen, sopranos and

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Speaker 1: so forth. I'm sure they're gonna be more where he's

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Speaker 1: come from. This whole narrative of kind of getting celebrities

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Speaker 1: though to to talk about Dr Roz in New Jersey

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Speaker 1: has come together to a full blown campaign. Not these celebrities,

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Speaker 1: but the ones who are friends with Dr Roz. Listen

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Speaker 1: to this, add a a portion of it from John Fetterman.

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Speaker 1: Do you want someone that's all about North Jersey. Look,

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Speaker 1: he's not one of us. He says he'll fight for

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Speaker 1: working people. Okay, Hey, Dalk, Hollywood, save your money, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: is not for sale, Hollywood, Genie. This seems to be

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Speaker 1: taking hold a bit. As I look at the average

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Speaker 1: here on Real Clear, they've got Fetterman up by eight

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Speaker 1: point seven percent. That's the poll of polls. Uh. Democrats

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Speaker 1: are not usually the ones on this side of the argument.

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Speaker 1: You can ask Rick about that. Here we have this,

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Speaker 1: you know, supposedly folksy, working class democrat calling out the

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Speaker 1: celebrity Republican as at work. You know, I think it's

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Speaker 1: get generated a lot of buzz and it's very funny,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, you're right, it's usually it's usually

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Speaker 1: Republicans calling out Democrats for being too tied to people

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Speaker 1: like Barbara streisand in Hollywood. So it's unique in that respect. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think that as somebody who sat

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Speaker 1: through and watched a lot of these carpet bagger arguments,

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Speaker 1: I think they have buzz. And I think this is

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Speaker 1: good because Veterman has been off the campaign trail. But

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Speaker 1: is this really gonna come down to issues? And it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a tight race, And so I enjoy the

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Speaker 1: commercial tolls, but I think the carpet bagger issue can

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Speaker 1: also fall flat. Um, And so they've got to get

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Speaker 1: back on the issues. As my argument, carpet baggers one

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Speaker 1: doc Hollywood is the other though, Rick that this guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's hanging out with celebrities, he's got nine

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Speaker 1: different houses. He can't relate with you. That's a message

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Speaker 1: that Fetterman can sell. Yeah. I mean, when you are

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Speaker 1: looking at this line of attack, you test it and

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Speaker 1: you go to the polls and you ask voters, Um,

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Speaker 1: does doctor Oz seem like someone you would have a

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Speaker 1: beer with? Or is he someone like you? Does he

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Speaker 1: hold your values? And if you see weakness in that,

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Speaker 1: you can exploit that with these kinds of advertisements. And

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Speaker 1: my suspicion is that they've got some kind of poll

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Speaker 1: that shows over the public say yeah, he's not one

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Speaker 1: of us, and and they will echo that in an

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Speaker 1: advertisement all day long because that's a dynamic number that

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Speaker 1: if it's out there, they can play into it to

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Speaker 1: divide the house in in Pennsylvania. It looks like it's

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Speaker 1: working because whatever they're doing is is opening a pretty

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Speaker 1: big gap with Dr Oz. At this point, John fed

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Speaker 1: Him is getting back on the campaign trail imminently. Here

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Speaker 1: we understand, Genie, this is after the heart problem the pacemaker,

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Speaker 1: whatever else went on there that we didn't know about. Uh, initially,

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Speaker 1: what does he need to do to put this to rest?

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Speaker 1: He goes out there and does push ups? Uh? Does

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Speaker 1: he talk about it? Does he not talk about it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think they've done a good job, and I think

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Speaker 1: he does talk about it. I think one of the

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Speaker 1: lines his wife talked about earlier had to do with

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Speaker 1: the fact that or he talked about that had to

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Speaker 1: do with the fact that he wasn't going to the

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Speaker 1: doctor enough. A lot of us and especially men, can

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Speaker 1: you know, associate with that. So you know, I are

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Speaker 1: listening to his doctors. So I do think he talks

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Speaker 1: about it. But I really think the real issue here,

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Speaker 1: I mean, could you imagine if doctor Oz had not

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Speaker 1: been endorsed by Donald Trump and his opponent had won

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Speaker 1: this race. I mean, this would be a very different

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Speaker 1: race we're looking at. So I think we're seeing sort

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Speaker 1: of what happens when you have these sort of more

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Speaker 1: extreme Trump candidates endorsed in these primaries that just have

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Speaker 1: Dr Oz make an issue out of his health in

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Speaker 1: of medical problem in the fall, right he cannot get sick.

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Speaker 1: Cold will bring back memories of his physical condition. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, he's got a different kind of bar

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Speaker 1: And in a lot of it's gonna be out of

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Speaker 1: his control. Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano with us. Our

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Speaker 1: signature panel back together again. Great to hear from both

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Speaker 1: of you, guys, and a lot to think about as

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Speaker 1: we head into an important week with a couple of

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Speaker 1: House gets down to this reconciliation bill when it crosses

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Speaker 1: over to the other chamber. I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington.

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Speaker 1: Great to see again. We'll do it again tomorrow. In fact,

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Speaker 1: in the morning, radio and TV, and we'll get back

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Speaker 1: here together on the fastest hour in politics and see

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Speaker 1: what we learned with Rick and Jeannie live from the

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Speaker 1: nation's capital. This is Bloomberg