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Speaker 1: again yesterday. Also understand this that if you hire urban Meyer,
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Speaker 1: at least a little while and maybe have final say
Speaker 1: on the roster. So he's going to be doing more
Speaker 1: than being the head coach here because he'll probably be
Speaker 1: picking his general manager, which is interesting. So we'll get
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Speaker 1: the bottom right corner. A lot of ways for a
Speaker 1: disenchanted superstar to find his way to a new team.
Speaker 1: You can stop showing up. You can go through the motions.
Speaker 1: When you do show up, go through the media, ask
Speaker 1: your agent to ask for a trade. You can go
Speaker 1: talk to the owner. Two nights ago, James Harden came
Speaker 1: out and said things weren't working in Houston. And when
Speaker 1: I heard this, I said on the show, that's his
Speaker 1: exit interview. Those are his final comments. I wondered if
Speaker 1: he would play again. And then as it turned out,
Speaker 1: they sort of ramped up the trade talks and we
Speaker 1: have a deal because the Rockets, trading hardened to the
Speaker 1: nets and the Mega deal that will have a big
Speaker 1: impact on the title race. It should. Harden will team
Speaker 1: up with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, two players who
Speaker 1: have had somewhat messy departures from their last teams. And
Speaker 1: you don't know how these things work out. If you
Speaker 1: go back to when Kevin Durant joined Golden State, it
Speaker 1: was incumbent upon Steve Kerr and the other Warriors to
Speaker 1: accommodate Kevin Durant. You got to have him come in
Speaker 1: and let him feel like, we want you to be successful,
Speaker 1: we want you to be the star. You can be
Speaker 1: the go to guy. It was really important for Raymond Greene,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Klay Thompson to welcome in Kevin Durant and
Speaker 1: make sure that he wasn't the odd man out. Now
Speaker 1: it turned out that he was. He was never fully
Speaker 1: immerged in the you know, the Golden State Warriors. He
Speaker 1: was there and he was you know, as we found out,
Speaker 1: he wasn't there very long, but he was there, he
Speaker 1: was successful, had the Achilles injury, and then now he's
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. If you look at what happened with Lebron,
Speaker 1: Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving and Cleveland. You have to
Speaker 1: have a pecking order. You have to know your place.
Speaker 1: Kevin Love knew that he was going to play the
Speaker 1: role of Chris Bosh when Lebron and d Wade teamed
Speaker 1: up in Miami. Chris Bosh was as important to that
Speaker 1: success as anybody was, because here is a future Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, perennial All Star in Toronto. He goes to Miami,
Speaker 1: but he knew, I have to be the third guy.
Speaker 1: Then it was up to Lebron and d Wade and
Speaker 1: who was gonna who's team it was, and who gets
Speaker 1: the last shot and all those things that we try
Speaker 1: to come up with arguments about. But when you go
Speaker 1: to a team, you have to know where you stand
Speaker 1: with everybody because you can't have three alpha's in there now.
Speaker 1: As much as Chris Bosh was able to do what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do in Toronto and get twenty two
Speaker 1: and twelve a night, when he went to Miami, it
Speaker 1: was what is my role tonight? What do you need?
Speaker 1: I'll do that Kevin Love. Kevin Love put up historically
Speaker 1: great numbers in Minnesota. One night he had a thirty
Speaker 1: thirty game, he goes to Cleveland. He realizes, Hey, I
Speaker 1: gotta be fifteen and eight. Whatever you need me to do,
Speaker 1: I can do it. I can shoot the three. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna compliment what you guys do. Now you've got three
Speaker 1: alpha's here, Katie, Kyrie and James Harden, and right now
Speaker 1: you got one of them missing. It's fascinating. I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be fascinating before they got James Harden.
Speaker 1: Now you look at this and you say, the upside is,
Speaker 1: you guys can win the championship. The downside is it's
Speaker 1: going to be a mess. And it's not just a mess. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a mess that could impact the nets for
Speaker 1: a decade. What they gave up. They're rolling in the
Speaker 1: dice that they can bring in James Harden. You got
Speaker 1: a rookie head coach and Steve Nash. Now you do
Speaker 1: have Mike D'Antoni, who coached James Harden, and he's on
Speaker 1: the bench with Steve Kerr or Steve Nash. And you're
Speaker 1: trying to figure all this out. And first of all,
Speaker 1: you got to figure out Kyrie Irving, because we don't
Speaker 1: even know where he stands with all of this. Does
Speaker 1: he want Steve Nash is the head coach, Does he
Speaker 1: respect him? How's he going to feel that James Harden
Speaker 1: is going to be ball dominant here. Kevin Durant would
Speaker 1: have gone anywhere, and he decided he wanted to go
Speaker 1: with Brooklyn and he wanted to go and be with
Speaker 1: his buddy Kyrie. And now there's varying reports on Kyrie
Speaker 1: getting maybe he's a little distant with Kevin Durant, that
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't respect Steve Nash, who he thinks may
Speaker 1: have jumped to the front of the line to become
Speaker 1: a head coach. Kyrie's not even in uniform, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: But if you look at what you're doing, you run
Speaker 1: the risk of adding Harden, and he can be great.
Speaker 1: But if Harden, Durant and Irving learned to play together
Speaker 1: by playoff time, then you have something truly incredible. But
Speaker 1: these things don't always work out, and trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out of the chemistry part of this is is
Speaker 1: a delicate balance because everybody thinks they're the star. They
Speaker 1: want their touches. Hey, I used to average thirty. Kyrie's
Speaker 1: gonna want it crunch time. That's when I'm known or
Speaker 1: KD wants to be one of the top ten players
Speaker 1: of all time. I want to win championship. Like, there's
Speaker 1: so much that you throw in here, and then Steve
Speaker 1: Nash is just trying to establish himself as the voice
Speaker 1: in that locker room and good luck with that. Mclevity
Speaker 1: got a poll question for me. Yeah, as you suggested,
Speaker 1: we talked about before the show, are the Nets the
Speaker 1: team to beat in the NBA? Basically? Will they win
Speaker 1: a title with this group this year? Or is that
Speaker 1: even too much to ask right now? I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a fair question. Well, we're only nine, ten eleven
Speaker 1: games into the season, although we're lopping off ten games
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit more of a shortened season.
Speaker 1: We're coming off the bubble, guys getting into shape. I e.
Speaker 1: James Harden rookie coach, and Steve Nash got a good
Speaker 1: bench though, got good assistant coaches there. I think it's
Speaker 1: asking an awful lot. I think it's an awful You know,
Speaker 1: the Lakers still have the infrastructure there and they got
Speaker 1: better in the off season. I don't know who else.
Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia is still the team to beat in
Speaker 1: the East. And the fact that Philadelphia didn't give up
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, which we can talk about because Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: was gonna Ben Simmons thought he was going to be
Speaker 1: traded yesterday thought and then you didn't trade him. If
Speaker 1: I'm Houston and I look around at what happened, I
Speaker 1: eventually got Victor Oladipo, who's on an expiring contract. If
Speaker 1: you get Ben Simmons, you're going to be a good team,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a playoff team. They got Victor Oladipo,
Speaker 1: who I don't even know if he'll be there at
Speaker 1: the end of the season because that expiring contract. Somebody
Speaker 1: may want to pick that up. But you know, keep
Speaker 1: this in mind, the Rockets don't even have a first
Speaker 1: round pick. It's not like they can tank because Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City owns Houston's draft pick. And by the way, we
Speaker 1: get caught up in these draft picks. These draft picks
Speaker 1: don't mean anything because keep in mind, Houston had no
Speaker 1: draft picks. Remember that they gave it up for Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: Now they got a bunch of them. It can happen.
Speaker 1: You can get draft picks back, and we saw a
Speaker 1: lot of that. I think the Indiana Pacers did a
Speaker 1: great job in getting Caris Lavert. Now you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, through all of this, you're gonna go
Speaker 1: I think Indiana did extremely well with Carriss Lavert. The
Speaker 1: folks in the Midwest are going to find out. You're
Speaker 1: going to get somebody who shows up who is really good,
Speaker 1: plays hard, and is going to be He's gonna fit
Speaker 1: in with that nucleus that you have. You got Sabonis
Speaker 1: and you got Brogden, and I know Oladipo went to
Speaker 1: Iu now even said who's your Okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: he wanted to be there. Plus, I don't know how
Speaker 1: healthy is and he's got an expiring contract and he's
Speaker 1: gonna want a lot of money, and maybe you've seen
Speaker 1: the best out of him. Pacers did well with Karas Lavert.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I love Jared Allen. He was going
Speaker 1: to get paid. I think he's a really talented young player,
Speaker 1: team player, energetic player. And now he goes to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: The Nets don't have defense, they don't have a rim
Speaker 1: protector here. You know, there's a lot of things you
Speaker 1: can look at and go, Okay, how good are they?
Speaker 1: I think the Nets go We're all in. But did
Speaker 1: you get James Harden because you don't know about Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 1: How much did that factor in? And coming up we'll
Speaker 1: talk to Tim mcmah of ESPN. He's done a great
Speaker 1: job in covering this trade. Frank Eisla, who does pre
Speaker 1: and post game for the Yes Network. He's a studio
Speaker 1: host there covering the nets. He'll join us coming up
Speaker 1: a little bit later on. All right, any other poll
Speaker 1: questions there? McLevin Well, I just piet, I just say
Speaker 1: Malcolm Braden. I forgot Malcolm Bragden was on the Pacers.
Speaker 1: He's good. He's shooting forty eight percent from three this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's played well. He's played well and he needs to
Speaker 1: take over that. Hey, this is my team. They got
Speaker 1: Miles Turner. Sabonis has been good, and I like what
Speaker 1: the Pacers are doing. I don't know if they're challenging
Speaker 1: anybody in the East, but I like what they did.
Speaker 1: They got Caris LeVert and he's a talented player, a
Speaker 1: young player, and with Houston Victor Oladipo Okay, I like him.
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to stay in Houston. Yeah, mclub.
Speaker 1: One side question we were throwing around, are you happy
Speaker 1: if you're a Sixers fan that Ben Simmons was not
Speaker 1: traded for Harden, I would be. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just told this last night, and this is somebody who
Speaker 1: is he's involved in the NBA. Don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to give too many details, but he's involved in the NBA.
Speaker 1: He works in the league right now. And he said,
Speaker 1: he goes. I had to laugh, he goes. I saw
Speaker 1: the reair of you or the podcast. I listened to
Speaker 1: your podcast and you were talking about would they trade
Speaker 1: James Harden to Philadelphia? And I laughed out loud because
Speaker 1: why would Why would Houston help out the Philip Delphia
Speaker 1: seventy six ers. Theyre GM who said I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: some time off and you know, step down as the
Speaker 1: Rockets GM. Darryl Moorey then goes to Philadelphia. They were
Speaker 1: not going to help out Daryl Moorey because Darryl Moorey
Speaker 1: wanted James Harden and they didn't want to give up.
Speaker 1: They were trying to figure out, how can we do
Speaker 1: this and not give up Ben Simmons. Then they realized
Speaker 1: they had to give up Ben Simmons. But if I'm
Speaker 1: Houston and I could have gotten Ben Simmons. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's a franchise player, but I think he's a
Speaker 1: he can be a very good player. And they decided
Speaker 1: that they wanted Victor Oladipo instead, and you got all
Speaker 1: of these draft picks from the nets, which I don't
Speaker 1: even know what it's gonna mean, you know, five years
Speaker 1: down the road. It's one of those where you go,
Speaker 1: you know, five years down the road, we're gonna go, man,
Speaker 1: how did they get that guy? Oh? That was the
Speaker 1: trade with Harden and oh Hardened. Okay, It's almost like
Speaker 1: you need a map that's going to tell you exactly
Speaker 1: this went there, that goes there, this goes there, and
Speaker 1: this is up in twenty twenty seven. There's an eleven
Speaker 1: year old kid right now who's going to be involved
Speaker 1: in this trade, right so he's going to be a
Speaker 1: Houston Rocket. So there's an eleven year old walking around
Speaker 1: playing with his Xbox or whatever, and you know, he's
Speaker 1: six to four and he just started dunking, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a Houston Rocket in twenty twenty seven. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how crazy old of this is. Yeah, Paulie, you
Speaker 1: know when the story broke yesterday, I think Ramona Shelburne
Speaker 1: and Woads broke it. It just said James Harden has
Speaker 1: been traded to New Jersey Nets. My mind went instantly to, oh,
Speaker 1: they traded Kyrie Irving for him straight up, or you
Speaker 1: know something picks. But I was a little surprised that
Speaker 1: they didn't use this as an opportunity to dump Kyrie.
Speaker 1: That was before I knew there's a ton of draft
Speaker 1: picks involved. Yeah, my first reaction. Yeah, But if I'm Houston,
Speaker 1: I don't want Kyrie Irving. But that's interesting because with
Speaker 1: the Nets, we think they're gonna win titles or people
Speaker 1: do well. I'm ass him in Kyrie with Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: and somehow they make that work. And Kevin Durant had
Speaker 1: played with James Harden. But if I'm Houston, I don't
Speaker 1: want a guy that I don't even know that the
Speaker 1: team can't find the guy that you might want to
Speaker 1: trade to me. Yeah, I'm mcclevin. Wouldn't that risk making
Speaker 1: Durant mad if they traded Kyrie too? Don't they run
Speaker 1: the co coaches? I don't even know what's happening. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Seed Funny had to just keep forgetting that Houston has
Speaker 1: John Wall. Now, yeah, yeah, you know they had they
Speaker 1: had a team that can make the playoffs with Harden
Speaker 1: if he wanted to play John Wall, Boogie Cousins, Christian Wood.
Speaker 1: You know they they had, they could they could be
Speaker 1: a five seed, four seeds, the Rockets they could have been.
Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna be your rockets, aren't they.
Speaker 1: Now they're not my rockets, but they can be an
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City type team. They might overachieve, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna surprise some people, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to be consistent. Yeah, seedon man, just
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, if you had John Wallboogie
Speaker 1: Cousins and Victor Oladipo, You're like, all right, that's three
Speaker 1: I can work with. Yeah, it feels a little past
Speaker 1: its prime. But well they're all coming off injuries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mcleven. They might be your rockets if they sign
Speaker 1: you to a ten day later when everybody gets hurt. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: and did they make this deal because they're not quite
Speaker 1: sure about if Kyrie Irving wants to play anymore. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: I have a bet James Harden's first game as a
Speaker 1: New New York Brooklyn net is Kyrie Irving also on
Speaker 1: the floor with him? No, Is that weird that you'd
Speaker 1: lean towards. No, he's perfectly healthy and ready to play.
Speaker 1: He's got zoom calls to be on. There's birthday parties
Speaker 1: to go to. Come on, PAULI. He can't make time
Speaker 1: for a game a game? How weird is that? Oh? Man? I,
Speaker 1: I you know, I would like to say, yeah, it's weird,
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Speaker 1: the headline starting the show. Adam Schefter reports Jacksonville and
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer are in advanced talks to see if they
Speaker 1: can finalize the deal. Per League sources, they met yesterday
Speaker 1: and I think they met on Shod Khan's yacht, which
Speaker 1: would be a home field advantage, a home sea advantage.
Speaker 1: I would thing for Shodkun come on into my yacht. Yeah, yes, Paul, see,
Speaker 1: I think that's a mistake by Shod con. I've seen
Speaker 1: that yacht and that's like the yacht there's only like
Speaker 1: five in the world that big. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: negotiating contract with Irban Meyer, you can't like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we can't really afford nine million, you're on this yacht
Speaker 1: that has eighteen bathrooms. Why is it that every time
Speaker 1: I went into management, yeay, we got to tighten the
Speaker 1: budget here like no no boss I ever had. When
Speaker 1: I went into negotiate a contract, said are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: We got so much bleeping money? What do you want? Yeah? See,
Speaker 1: Shot Khan's yacht is so awesome. It has its own
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, it's got a I've seen it in person.
Speaker 1: It's got a helipad. Oh yeah, most of those guys
Speaker 1: have those. It's got a boat on the back of it,
Speaker 1: like a jet ski boat, like a jetboat, like an
Speaker 1: eight person But Paul Allen had a submarine on his opera.
Speaker 1: Yes see, you can rent it if you want shodka yacht. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like a per week charter feed. Do you want
Speaker 1: to guess how much it is per week? Per week?
Speaker 1: Five hundred thousand dollars a million? Oh are you gonna
Speaker 1: do it? Midweekly? Tuesday three discounted rate one point two mills? Okay,
Speaker 1: per week? All right, but now that is excluding food, fuel,
Speaker 1: and dockage costs, so he still got to pay for
Speaker 1: all that too. Boy. Let me bring in Tim McMahon,
Speaker 1: the ESPN NBA reporter who has done a great job
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on the James Harden situation. And Tim,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. If I had you on yesterday
Speaker 1: at this time, what would you have said was going
Speaker 1: to happen in Houston with James Harden? Well, I would
Speaker 1: have said that a trade is closer to happening than not. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, I think the trade was close to
Speaker 1: being completed, or they knew that they were close to
Speaker 1: a trade, whether it was going to be Philly or Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and then Harden's performance Tuesday night. By performance, I don't
Speaker 1: mean five to sixteen from the floor, I mean the
Speaker 1: postgame press conference was basically his way of saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much to the other side of the bridge,
Speaker 1: so let me just burn this and you know, you
Speaker 1: guys can figure out the rest. Do you think he
Speaker 1: knew he was going to be traded? It was a trade,
Speaker 1: was eminent with what he because I said the same
Speaker 1: thing yesterday morning when I heard that, I said, that's
Speaker 1: his exit interview. He's basically saying, see you do you
Speaker 1: think he knew at that time that he was going
Speaker 1: to be traded? Well, I think he knew that it
Speaker 1: was very close to happening, and he wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure it happened. You know, So again, whether it was
Speaker 1: Philly or Brooklyn, he was fine with either place. Obviously
Speaker 1: he wanted to get out of Houston. Those are the
Speaker 1: top two teams on his list, and I think that
Speaker 1: was his way of saying, hey, i'm done here. You
Speaker 1: figure out which one of those two teams I'm going to,
Speaker 1: but I'm done with the Rock. It's a tricky legacy
Speaker 1: with James Harden. I don't know if he cares about
Speaker 1: his legacy, but you wrote a column on this exact
Speaker 1: topic here. How do you think Houston will remember James Harden?
Speaker 1: That it is, it's tricky, complicated, whatever you want to say. Look,
Speaker 1: with all due respect to Moses Malone, I would say
Speaker 1: James Harden is the second best player in franchise history,
Speaker 1: behind only Kim Malajuan. Obviously, the huge difference there is
Speaker 1: a chim Olajuan delivered two championships to Houston. Harden was
Speaker 1: never able to get the Rockets even to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: And I mean it didn't work out with Dwight Howard
Speaker 1: that went up in smoke, Chris Paul went up in smoke.
Speaker 1: Even quicker Russell Westbrook his old friend from LA and
Speaker 1: old OKC teammate one year and they were ready to both,
Speaker 1: you know, go other places and it and then just
Speaker 1: the way it ended, obviously that's going to be bitter
Speaker 1: at the same At the same time, it was eight
Speaker 1: mostly great years individually brilliant years from James Harden. The
Speaker 1: Rockets a chance to at least be contenders for most
Speaker 1: of that time. And it's funny because Rockets fans for
Speaker 1: so much of that time, we're kind of defending James Harden,
Speaker 1: who was the superstar the rest of the league's fans
Speaker 1: loved to hate, who hated his style playing all that,
Speaker 1: Rockets fans spent so much time kind of getting this
Speaker 1: guy's back, and their reward is no championship parade and
Speaker 1: pretty much a slapped the face on the way on town.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Nets and getting James Harden and
Speaker 1: what that means, but how did the Rockets do in
Speaker 1: this trade? Well, look, this obviously was about trying to
Speaker 1: set themselves up for a rebuild, and the Rockets did
Speaker 1: not get the young franchise cornerstone that they insisted they
Speaker 1: needed to get into James Harden deal. They could have,
Speaker 1: they could have had Ben Simmons, but they've made the
Speaker 1: decision that they would rather have just, I mean a
Speaker 1: historic bundle of unprotected first round picks. And so look,
Speaker 1: those picks Kevin Durant, James and Kyrie Irving will be
Speaker 1: long gone and the Rockets are still going to be
Speaker 1: making picks that are the New York or the Brooklyn Nets.
Speaker 1: So I think you look at the just the bundle
Speaker 1: of picks and say, hey, you know, that's a historic
Speaker 1: hall And I think realistically, as far as the team
Speaker 1: entered and rebuild, that's a good return. But I don't
Speaker 1: even know if Victor Oladipo is going to be there
Speaker 1: by season's end. That oh right, no question about that.
Speaker 1: Look Victor Oladipo. You can tell why they flip Caris
Speaker 1: Lavert for Victor Oladipo. I think the first thing you
Speaker 1: look as the contracts, Lavert is owed thirty six plus
Speaker 1: mill over the two seasons past this one. Oladipo's an
Speaker 1: expiring contract, so they kind of get a chance to
Speaker 1: bring Oladipo in, you know, take a look at him,
Speaker 1: figure out, hey, is this a guy that we want
Speaker 1: to pay this all season? When gets he's going to
Speaker 1: get paid because there's you know, that free agency class
Speaker 1: has been picked pretty thin. Or is it a guy
Speaker 1: who maybe he might not even be there after the
Speaker 1: trade devil? Maybe they flipped him again and you know,
Speaker 1: continue to kind of add to their pickstock pile. I
Speaker 1: like what the Pacers did. I like Harris Laverde a lot,
Speaker 1: and I got a chance to see him a lot.
Speaker 1: When you know all that when Kyrie was injured and
Speaker 1: that younger team kind of came to life there. And
Speaker 1: even Jared Allen in Cleveland. He's an energy guy, team guy.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe we don't need rim protectors. But I
Speaker 1: thought this is sort of those you know, after the
Speaker 1: dust settles, people go, oh, that's right. You know, Indiana
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. Um. You know, when Warren comes back,
Speaker 1: they have Turner, they have Sabonis, they have Brogden. You know,
Speaker 1: they have a pretty good nucleus. Not depth, but they
Speaker 1: got a good nucleus. And then with Cleveland getting Jared Allen,
Speaker 1: I think he's a you know, a bonafide starting player
Speaker 1: who can put up a double double every night. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts are, I think both of those teams that were
Speaker 1: brought into the deal really benefited. And for Indiana, Victoral
Speaker 1: Depot was not going to be back there next year,
Speaker 1: so this is a chance to get a guy who
Speaker 1: can be a you know, twenties point per game score.
Speaker 1: You know, the Rockets did not consider him to be
Speaker 1: a franchise cornerstone, and I think that's accurate. But you know,
Speaker 1: at a place like Indiana, I think he fits very
Speaker 1: well with Malcolm Brogden in that backcourt, you know, with
Speaker 1: Sabonis is really kind of their franchise player. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, the contract is reasonable for a
Speaker 1: guy who has proven he can be as productive as
Speaker 1: he has been, And then I thought it was a
Speaker 1: great deal for Cleveland when you look at the backcourt
Speaker 1: they're building around, they kind of hope those young players,
Speaker 1: you know, the sex lamb backcourt, which is one of
Speaker 1: the great nicknames in the league. They hope those guys
Speaker 1: can kind of develop into a Blazer's East sort of backcourt.
Speaker 1: And there's been really encouraging signs of progress from them.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to start two smallest scoring guards,
Speaker 1: you better get a really good rim protector behind him.
Speaker 1: You you know, they will benefit from having a lib threat.
Speaker 1: And look, Jared Allen, they will pay him this summer,
Speaker 1: but at twenty two, he really fits with what they're
Speaker 1: building in Cleveland. All right, let's get to the nets now,
Speaker 1: on and off the court, we're talking to Tim McMann
Speaker 1: ESPN NBA reporter. Where's Kyrie Irving and how does he
Speaker 1: fit into all of this? Last I saw him, he
Speaker 1: was on zoom YEA. Look, I think that is reasonable
Speaker 1: to look at this trade in some ways as Kyrie
Speaker 1: Irving insurance, and you know, the Nets really amped up
Speaker 1: what they were willing to offer in terms of the
Speaker 1: draft compensation. That's what got this over the finish line.
Speaker 1: They amped that up. Since Kyrie has been you know whatever,
Speaker 1: you want to call it a wall, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, even coming off the Achilles is a bona
Speaker 1: fide superstar in his prime. You've basically got two more
Speaker 1: guaranteed years with him and then he can become a
Speaker 1: free aident. So you have to, or at least you
Speaker 1: really want to if you're the Nets, maximize your opportunity
Speaker 1: to win a championship with him. You need to have
Speaker 1: not just a costar, but another superstar to pair with him.
Speaker 1: To do that, they bring in James Harden. He's say
Speaker 1: what you want. He's a dude who can efficiently put
Speaker 1: up thirty five points in eight or ten assists. There
Speaker 1: ain't too many of those dudes walk in the face
Speaker 1: of the earth, and honestly, at this point, what they
Speaker 1: get from Kyrie, you can almost look at it as bonus.
Speaker 1: When James Harden makes his debut with the Nets, is
Speaker 1: Kyrie irving on the floor no, because first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't know when, and I'm not sure anybody with
Speaker 1: the nets even though his whin Kyrie is going to
Speaker 1: decide that, Okay, this little sabbatical is over. I'm coming
Speaker 1: back to work. But when he even if he if
Speaker 1: he called him this morning, said hey, I'm coming back,
Speaker 1: the league officers like, okay, great, Kyrie, Well guess what,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to sit for a while because
Speaker 1: you blatantly violated the league's health and safety protocols, just
Speaker 1: like Harden had to. You know, he didn't end up
Speaker 1: missing the game because he helped get a game postponed.
Speaker 1: So casual about this tim like Kyrie Irving is missing
Speaker 1: right in front of our very eyes. It's it's bizarre,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know what I mean, Kyrie kind
Speaker 1: of obviously, he's a guy who marches it to beat
Speaker 1: of his own drum. And really, the confusing thing is,
Speaker 1: like I understood with Harden. Harden, let's be honest, he
Speaker 1: was trying to be as big of a pain in
Speaker 1: the ass as possible because he wanted to get the
Speaker 1: hell out of Houston. I don't I don't know what
Speaker 1: Kyrie's intent is here because he's where he wanted to be.
Speaker 1: He chose to go to Brooklyn. He's playing with Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: the guy he wanted to team up with. So this
Speaker 1: is obviously not a It's not a situation where he's
Speaker 1: unhappy about his employer. So you know, at some point
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving will offer at least his version of an explanation.
Speaker 1: I certainly can't give it to you. Yeah, he probably won't.
Speaker 1: He probably will feel like he doesn't need to. If
Speaker 1: i'm he'll say a lot of words, and then we'll
Speaker 1: have to figure out whether they actually meet anything. How
Speaker 1: do you think the Lakers view this trade? Should they
Speaker 1: be nervous? Honestly, I don't think. I think the Lakers
Speaker 1: and you saw or you heard Anthony Davis after the
Speaker 1: last night's game, it bas says, yeah, well it looks
Speaker 1: good on paper, We'll see how it looks on the floor.
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers feel like if they're healthy and
Speaker 1: if they're playing up to their potential, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who they run up against. I mean, Lebron in year
Speaker 1: eighteen still looks like, if not the best player in
Speaker 1: the league. He's definitely In that conversation and Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: is in that conversation. They've got a night. They upgraded
Speaker 1: the supporting cast around those guys. This is after they
Speaker 1: cruised through the playoffs to a championship last year. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Lakers are losing any sleep over what
Speaker 1: Brooklyn did. Maybe they meet in the finals, maybe they don't.
Speaker 1: But again, it's it's not disrespect to the Nets. I
Speaker 1: just think the Lakers probably look at the situation and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're the best team in the league and nothing has changed.
Speaker 1: Did the seventy six Ers win yesterday? I think Doc
Speaker 1: Rivers won yesterday. I think Ben Simmons won yesterday. I
Speaker 1: believe if this was up to Darryl Moray, James Harden
Speaker 1: would be in Philadelphia and Ben Simmons would be in
Speaker 1: Houston now. But I look, the six Ers have played
Speaker 1: very well this season. The Simmons Embiid thing, with the
Speaker 1: new pieces around them, the spacing around them, looks like
Speaker 1: it's a compatible duo again. And I know it was
Speaker 1: not anything close to a consensus decision within that Sixer's
Speaker 1: organization that trading young Ben Simmons for thirty one year
Speaker 1: old James Harden plus whatever you had to throw in
Speaker 1: the deal. Would have been a good move for the Sixers.
Speaker 1: So I think Philly's just buying not having gotten James Harden. Man,
Speaker 1: if I talked to you in a month with the Nets,
Speaker 1: are we talking about your guess is as good as mine. Look.
Speaker 1: First of all, again, Kyrie is just a wild card
Speaker 1: at this point, Like, even if he decides to come back,
Speaker 1: who knows, who knows with him? He's obviously an immense talent,
Speaker 1: but he's not a teammate you can count on. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's a bad person. So you know, he's done
Speaker 1: great things in the community, so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: But just in terms of an employee out of basketball team,
Speaker 1: he is completely unreliable. He's also ridiculously talented. And again,
Speaker 1: whether they have Kyrie or not, James Harden Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: the two best scorers in the league on one team,
Speaker 1: the Nets are going to score a ton of points.
Speaker 1: They're gonna win a lot of one thirty five, one
Speaker 1: twenty eight type of games. Will they be able to
Speaker 1: play good enough defense to make a four series run
Speaker 1: through the playoffs? I will believe that when I see it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we're looking at the Nets suddenly
Speaker 1: as the no doubt favorites in the Eastern confidence much
Speaker 1: less than the NBA. Thank you, Tim for taking some time.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Good luck, appreciate having me. That's Tim McMahon, ESPN,
Speaker 1: NBA reporter. Yeah, it's one of those unanswerable questions. What
Speaker 1: are we talking about a month from now with the nets?
Speaker 1: Are we going? Man? Did you see the nets last night?
Speaker 1: Or did you go? Man? What's happened to the nets?
Speaker 1: How do you fix the nets? Is Steve Nash going
Speaker 1: to keep his job? Katie can't be happy? Are they
Speaker 1: going to share the ball a little bit more? Boy?
Speaker 1: They're going to score one hundred and forty points every
Speaker 1: single game? Like you could throw out every one of
Speaker 1: these things and they could all be true. Yeah. Mclovin,
Speaker 1: I'd a little disappointed that Katie is not trying to
Speaker 1: do this on his own because if they do win,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, oh, he just had to join
Speaker 1: another super team or be another super team. So if
Speaker 1: you're going to be a top five player of all time,
Speaker 1: isn't that going to sort of be back to detracting
Speaker 1: from Katie's legacy? Well, he did have Harden and Westbrook
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City, they didn't win. He had Westbrook, they
Speaker 1: were up, but three games to one on Golden State
Speaker 1: and they lost. Would you rather have a championship with
Speaker 1: help or no chap or not have a championship and
Speaker 1: you did it on your own? But remember everybody killed
Speaker 1: him for joining Golden State. Yeah, I watch him last night.
Speaker 1: I get said, I don't feel like he needs. People
Speaker 1: killed Lebron when he joined Miami. And the reason why
Speaker 1: he joined Miami is because of people like us. The
Speaker 1: media kept saying, well, you can't be the chosen one,
Speaker 1: you can't be the king unless you win championships. And
Speaker 1: he realized that nobody was going to go to Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and he went to Miami, and then he went back
Speaker 1: because they had Kyrie. He talked Kevin Love into joining him.
Speaker 1: Then they won a championship there. Then he goes to
Speaker 1: La Hey, I got to win more championships. I want
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. Yeah, but you got this young nuclear Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I don't have time to
Speaker 1: wait for them to develop. Go trade everybody for Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: Lebron's done it. But Lebron has moved up the ladder
Speaker 1: of Now it's him and Jordan as greatest players of
Speaker 1: all time. If he didn't have titles, Lebron would not
Speaker 1: be anywhere near the conversation of greatest player of all time.
Speaker 1: Whether that's fair or not. Yeah, mclovid, But doesn't everybody
Speaker 1: fall in line when Lebron's there? He's like such a
Speaker 1: great leader too, where I don't think KD people believe
Speaker 1: that Kevin Durant can be a leader like that. So
Speaker 1: I think everyone's worried that, like, you know, who's really
Speaker 1: leading this team and it is there if there's five
Speaker 1: leaders or there no leaders. Well, Lebron's passive aggressive. Now
Speaker 1: it feels like he'll be one thing, but he's really
Speaker 1: doing something else. And you know he's orchestrating this. He's
Speaker 1: a GM. Durant is just passive now it might be
Speaker 1: passive aggressive on social media, but Lebron is looking at
Speaker 1: this as as if he were a GM. How do
Speaker 1: I get the pieces I need to win a chachampionship?
Speaker 1: And he realized that, you know that Young Nucleus was
Speaker 1: not going to bring him a championship in LA but
Speaker 1: he didn't realize we can get Anthony Davis and if
Speaker 1: he's represented by the same people represent me. We can
Speaker 1: figure this out and I can get here. I can
Speaker 1: win another championship. And then if Lebron wins one more
Speaker 1: championship and ends as the all time leading score, top
Speaker 1: ten and assist and steals, now we got a conversation.
Speaker 1: So in Lebron's mind, this is about where am I
Speaker 1: going to stand when this is all said and done.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll take the heat in Miami, no pun intended.
Speaker 1: You can get criticize me, but I got a couple
Speaker 1: of titles. I go back to Cleveland. No one can
Speaker 1: criticize Lebron. He went back to Cleveland, he won a title,
Speaker 1: he'd beat Golden State. Do you go to the Lakers?
Speaker 1: All right? Did he mail it in a little bit
Speaker 1: that first year, looked out of shape, didn't care yep.
Speaker 1: And then he got Anthony Davis and now look at them,
Speaker 1: they're the favorites again this year. Yes. Yeah, Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: when he left the Pelicans took a lot of heat,
Speaker 1: you know, for quitting on that team. Right that last
Speaker 1: year that he was there, he pretty much quit on
Speaker 1: them and wanted out and forced his way out and
Speaker 1: was being a diva and all that stuff. And now
Speaker 1: he's got a ring and a big fat check, so
Speaker 1: that pretty much worked out well for him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that when you get that championship, like we've moved
Speaker 1: on with Anthony Davis, and it was a smaller market
Speaker 1: in New Orleans that he did it too. Wasn't the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. But you know he had the
Speaker 1: T shirt. That's all folks. But you know, Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: is not he's not polarizing. You know, you don't have
Speaker 1: a strong opinion. Nobody knows Anthony Davis. They're like, well
Speaker 1: that guy's really good. Yeah, yes, he is really good.
Speaker 1: But when you win that champion, like John always saying,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Baltimore, Well you go
Speaker 1: to Denver. You win some Super Bowls, people forget all
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Speaker 1: a month ago James Harden's going to be a Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Net or Urban Meyer is going to be a head
Speaker 1: coach at Jacksonville Jaguars, you'll go, yeah, I could see
Speaker 1: Harden going to the Nets, but Urban Meyer their inching
Speaker 1: closer to Urban Meyer back in the coaching world. Ellen
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Ellen, welcome to the program. Well, thanks for
Speaker 1: taking my call. I have two suggestions and a prediction.
Speaker 1: My first suggestion is for a poll, would be how
Speaker 1: many minutes poor Kevin Durant's going to have to play
Speaker 1: after they don't have any any bench. My other suggestion
Speaker 1: would be if the NBA could do a hard Knocks thing,
Speaker 1: go watching the Nets locker room would be musty TV.
Speaker 1: And my other my prediction would be that Kyrie will
Speaker 1: come back after Harden's first game, when he rolls in
Speaker 1: about forty five and starts getting a lot of love
Speaker 1: in the media, then Kyrie will find Jesus and get
Speaker 1: back in the in the lineup thing right. Thank you Ellen,
Speaker 1: Thank you Ellen. Which one do you think is going
Speaker 1: to be more successful? The Nets? James Harden and Company,
Speaker 1: the Jags, urban Meyer gonna take a little while with
Speaker 1: urban Meyer. With the Jags. It's not official yet, but
Speaker 1: the potential for disaster and a mess. I'd say Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Is Brooklyn more interesting to root for or less interest? Like?
Speaker 1: Are you more likely to root for Brooklyn now than
Speaker 1: you were before? Like this is the least like who
Speaker 1: would be up there? Now that you know Lebron's gonna
Speaker 1: be polarizing to certain people, certain people in the media,
Speaker 1: But as far as a team that you go, I
Speaker 1: don't want them to succeed. Brooklyn is your winner. Ding
Speaker 1: ding ding ding ding ding ding. Yes, it was for
Speaker 1: a little while the Warriors, but then Katie left there
Speaker 1: and went to Brooklyn, and now it's Brooklyn ing ing
Speaker 1: ing ning ning Ning. Yeah, wouldn't you say? Though? Until recently,
Speaker 1: Harden has been a pretty well liked athlete nationally. Kids
Speaker 1: like him. He seemed to be pretty fun and he
Speaker 1: played well with the media. But in the past couple
Speaker 1: of months it's gone the opposite way. But past five
Speaker 1: years has been pretty popular. Well. I think we looked
Speaker 1: at him as a curiosity, a fascination. He's a regular
Speaker 1: season fascination. That's how I view him. Postseason not so much.
Speaker 1: But he is musty TV I found during the regular season.
Speaker 1: I loved watching him. I didn't want him on my team,
Speaker 1: loved watching him. But to see how this works in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing management went to kad I don't know
Speaker 1: if they went to Kyrie, but I'm sure they went
Speaker 1: to Katie and said, hey, we can reunite you with
Speaker 1: James Harden? And Katie's probably saying, can it get crazier?
Speaker 1: Let's see bring him in. James Harden is the fifth
Speaker 1: player to be traded in the season immediately after leading
Speaker 1: the NBA and scoring, the first since Tracy McGrady joined
Speaker 1: Houston back in two thousand and four. George Yardley in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven. Oh, he was a good one. Wilts
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three, Bob McAdoo left my Buffalo Braves
Speaker 1: to go to the Knicks, McGrady left Orlando to go
Speaker 1: to Houston, and now James Harden Houston to Brooklyn. Coming
Speaker 1: up next down Frank Isola, the great NBA reporter. He
Speaker 1: covers the nets. He'll join us, get his thoughts on
Speaker 1: this deal, and when will we see Kyrie Irving? One
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