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You crack open a doctor pepper, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.640 you know it'll only make you more thirsty in the 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.760 long run, but you need some liquid in your mouth, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.000 and you're saving You're remaining fifteen gallons for a quick shower. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.040 The U haul is finally almost packed up. You may 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.359 be able to make it down to San Francisco in time. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.919 Living in Redwood Valley has been nice the last few years. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.000 It's a beautiful place. But in August of two the 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.760 drought became too much. Late last year, California's new far 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.440 right governor lifted all water restrictions on farmers. This sparked 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.120 a new statewide race to use what water was available 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.480 before it ran out. Lake Mendesino was already low at 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.400 the beginning of the year, and for the first time 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.680 in your memory, it is now completely empty. San Francisco 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.880 isn't doing great either, but it's much better off than 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.480 where you live. The Russian River Watershed relies almost entirely 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.200 on rainfall and is isolated from state and federal a loqueducts. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.119 After the governor lifted water restrictions, new almond and pot 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.760 farms started sucking up groundwater, and by the end of 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.079 the summer they'd started pumping from the river to feed 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.600 their thirsty crops. By mid July, your town implemented a 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.000 twenty five gallon limit per person per day. That's about 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.920 as much water as you go through during a five 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.000 minute shower. The first thing you sacrificed was your garden. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.040 Then you stopped flushing after you peed. These tweaks added up, though, 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.720 and without water, the lifestyle you'd love to just stopped 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.840 being possible. Your brother in San Francisco offered to let 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.000 you move in with him. You weren't a fan of 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.720 the big city, but at least you'd be able to 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.800 shower again. And so you find yourself sipping an empty 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.240 soda can and loading up your last few boxes into 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.600 the U haul. You give your brother a quick call, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.880 saying you're all packed up and about to head out. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.119 He sounds worried and mentioned something about his school letting 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.000 new teachers go do to budget cuts. You can't really 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.600 afford to think about that. Now, you just need to leave, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.160 since you're all sweaty from loading the U haul the 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.520 last few days. You decided to hop into the shower 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.280 one last time. Knew it wouldn't last long, but you 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.880 still seemed surprised when the water turned off after what 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.840 felt like only two minutes. You quickly dry off and 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.240 grab some clean clothes from your backpack and throw your 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.880 damp towel into the passenger seat of the truck. You 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.880 say goodbye to your home of ten years and to 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.040 your old succulent plants, and begin the three hour drive 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:25.159 down to San Francisco. Water scarcity is a problem you're 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.480 probably already familiar with, especially if you live in the Southwest. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.760 California has dealt with particularly brutal droughts over the last 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.720 twenty years, and the Golden States water problems could be 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.359 about to get much much worse, because in just a 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.240 few days, California might find itself helmed by a far 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.479 right governor with a near religious hatred of water conservation. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.520 Electoral politics are not generally a big focus on this show, 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.040 but what's going on in the state of California could 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.919 have serious implications for many people, including those outside the 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.960 West Coast. The ongoing recall campaign against Governor Gavin Newsom 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.680 started out in June of publican politicians and activists unhappy 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.320 with Newsom's handling of the pandemic. Newsom's opposition to President 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.520 Trump's cracked down on undocumented immigrants also played a role. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.840 This is actually the fifth recall attempt against Newsom since 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.400 he took office in twenty nineteen, but it's the first 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.400 one to gain traction. It's fueled in part by Newsom's 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:22.640 own hypocrisy and hubris. On November six the recall effort 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:26.279 gained court approval for a signature gathering extension, and later 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.000 that night, Governor Newsom went to a birthday party for 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.159 a Sacramento lobbyist and friend at French Laundry, a pricing 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.359 Napa Valley restaurant. Soon after, photo surfaced of Newsom mingling 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.440 maskless at the packed restaurant. He faced heavy criticism and apologized, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.880 but the damage was done. Republicans latched onto this as 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.120 an opportunity to finally push the recall effort through. The 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.680 recall petition, which had only fifty five thousand and five 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.640 eight signatures on the day of the dinner, had nearly 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.400 half a million a month after the November sixth incident. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.600 California's recall process is probably the least democratic one in 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.480 the unit it states. Gathering signatures to authorize a recall 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.400 election is a pretty standard thing, but California has among 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.160 the lowest signature requirements and states that allow for the 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.400 recall of an official. Most states require that the recall 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.919 campaign must gather signatures equal to of the votes cast 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.400 in the last election. California requires just twelve percent for 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.440 executive officials. The li Times notes quote that might have 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.839 been a high bar in nineteen eleven when the population 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.520 was scattered across the seven hundred and seventy mile length 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.160 of the state. But is it too low in one 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.680 when petitions for ballot measures are gathered and moss by 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.360 paid staff and parking lots. And That's not the only 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:41.280 questionable aspect of California's recall process. On recall election day, 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.560 voters will face two questions on the ballot. First, yes 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.120 or no on whether to recall Governor Gavin Newsom from office. Second, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.320 and this one is technically optional, If so, who among 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.839 the forty six candidates do you want to take his place? 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.280 The first question is decided by a simple majority, just 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.479 like other ballot measures, but when it comes to the 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.840 second question, the percentage requirements change. The replacement candidate doesn't 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.720 need more than fifty percent to win, so if more 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.800 than fifty percent of the voters say yes on the 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.360 recall question, Governor Newsom must step down. Even if he 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.840 has more overall support than any other individual challenger on 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.120 the ballot. The replacement question is determined by who gets 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.400 the most votes among the challengers on the ballot, which 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.640 Newsom cannot be on. So forty nine point nine percent 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.680 of the voters can back Mr. Newsom, and he can 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.520 still lose to someone who is supported by only say 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.080 of the electorate or even a smaller fraction. For other 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.640 California elections, including special elections triggered by the death or 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.840 resignation of an official, a candidate cannot win without the 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.679 support of a majority of voters. If a candidate doesn't 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.560 win over fifty percent outright, then the top to compete 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.400 in a runoff election. Not the case for California's recall process. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.760 Organizers of the recall campaign submitted two point one million 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.600 signatures by the March seventeenth filing deadline. One million, seven 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.080 hundred nineteen thousand, nine hundred signatures were ultimately determined to 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.840 have been valid, which was enough to trigger the recall. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.720 The deadline for casting your vote is September. If the 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.320 recall succeeds, the new governor would be in office for 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.280 the remainder of Mr. Newsom's term through January second three, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.400 and that leaves a lot of time for executive factory, 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.920 especially considering the new front runner. Far right radio talk 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.000 show host and frequent Fox guest Larry Elder, has emerged 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.360 as the likely candidate to replace Newsom in the event 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.840 the recall goes through. Elder, who was sixty nine, jumped 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.880 into the race relatively late in the game during mid July. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.080 At that time, it was more of a toss up 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.000 between Republican candidates Kevin Falconer, a former San Diego mayor, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.920 and businessman John Cox, who lost badly to Newsom in 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:46.719 the gubernatorial election. Assemblyman Kevin Kylie and former athlete and 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.760 media personality Caton Jenner pulled less well. But as Larry 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.440 Elder entered the race, he almost immediately became the front 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.600 runner in polls and raised lots of money from small donors, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.079 and the three weeks after he announced his campaign he 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.720 raised nearly four and a half million dollars according to 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:06.360 fundraising disclosures. That's more than every other Republican challenger, sans 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.240 multimillionaire businessman John Cox, who's largely funding his own campaign. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.040 Elder has been a central figurehead of the right wing 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.680 radio talk show scene since the nineties, but has always 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.440 been hesitant to run for public office, deeming the state 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.960 of California ungovernable due to its liberal supermajority, But after 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.600 talking with his friend and mentor Dennis Praeger of the 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.160 neo fascist propaganda outlet Praeger You, he figured it might 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.559 be worth a shot, and has expressed desire to use 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.000 the emergency powers of the governor to push the state 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.360 right words. Elder was born in Los Angeles, but moved 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.839 to Cleveland to attend law school and opened his own 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.080 firm in nineteen eighty. Elder's career began as a bit 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.880 of an accident. He'd been invited on a Cleveland station 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.120 as a guest. He did so well on air that 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.840 when the regular host went on vacation the following week, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.200 the program director asked Elder to fill in. Soon enough, 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.040 Elder had his own weekly time slot on the Cleveland station. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.000 In the early nineties, a guest host from Los Angeles 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.920 list Dennis Prager, visited Cleveland. Elder quickly impressed Praeger with 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.400 his on air wit and talent, coupled with the uniqueness 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.520 of a black man openly expressing extreme conservative views. Praeger 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.880 persuaded his home station KBC in Los Angeles to give 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.160 Elder a shot. Quoting The l A Times, Elder returned 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.160 to his hometown in nine four, two years after the 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.840 civil unrest, following the acquittal of the officers who beat 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:24.880 Rodney King and in the midst of the O. J. 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:29.280 Simpson murder case. The program director at rival KFI, David G. Hall, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.800 felt KBC made a creative move bringing on this guy 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.280 from South Central who swung the other way on race. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.079 Almost from the beginning, the self proclaimed sage from South 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.840 Central whipped up a fewer. He mixed soundbites from Representative 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.040 Maxine Waters with a recording of a barking dog. He said, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.319 Blacks exaggerate the significance of racism, while women did the 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.840 same in regards to sexism. For nearly four years, Elder 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.920 has slapped many members of his own race in the 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.600 face on radio, belittling them as whiners or losers, holding 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.920 himself up as a model of African American excellence. He's 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.440 become a darling of white listeners who seemed to almost 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.320 gush when they telephone him on k ABC Talk Radio. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.760 They are astonished to find a black man who not 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.560 only isn't going to chastise them, but who also often 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.040 agreed with them, a black man who declared that race 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:19.520 was no longer a significant factor in American society. Elder 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.240 also doesn't believe that racial profiling exists. This is despite 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.800 telling The Times editorial Board that police pulled him over 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.440 between seventy five and a hundred times the first year 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.840 he had his driver's license. Elder's regressive, provocative content angered 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.320 mine Angelinos and black citizens of California let a boycott 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.040 of advertisers on the show. It worked, and by the 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.240 late nineties the show had begun losing millions in ad revenue. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.400 But thanks to syndication, changing networks, podcasts, and TV appearances, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.720 Elder has been able to remain a central figure of 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.800 the right wing content sphere. He most recently starred in 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.480 a video series for far right propaganda organization and literal cult, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.720 The Epoch Times. According to Elder's campaign, the central recall 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.439 is as he is focusing on our rampant crime, rising homelessness, 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.479 out of control costs of living, water shortages, disastrous wildfires, 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.319 rolling brown outs, and repressive COVID restrictions. For this show, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.520 we'll be focusing on the last three as they relate 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.839 to the rapidly shifting and hostile climate. For the past 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.160 thirty years, Elder has been a classic conservative climate denier. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.520 He had a whole section of his website devoted to 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.040 debunking the Gore bull warming myth. Like Al Gore bullshit 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.280 warming myth, Yeah, it's a bad pun. In a CNN 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.680 interview prior to the two thousand eight election, Elder called 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.040 global warming a false myth, while disparaging and making fun 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.680 of both John McCain and George W. Bush for discussing 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.160 global warming is a serious issue. However, more recently, Elder 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.280 has shifted his rhetoric around the climate. In an interview 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.440 last month, he expressed belief that some warming is taking place, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.719 but by using old soft denialist talking points climate is 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.000 always changing. Of course, the climate is changing. The question 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:55.240 is what do we do about it? Do we deal 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:56.840 with the effects of it, or do we force feed 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.600 renewables based economy down the throats of people, jacking up 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.200 the price energy a disproportionate pain for poor people. But 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.480 of course there's climate change, and the climate is getting 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.160 warmer and maybe about a degree or so in the 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.280 last several years, and it will likely continue. He adds, 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.480 what I don't believe in is climate change alarmism. He 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.080 also said that he was not sure whether climate change 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.360 is making wildfires worse. Quote fires have gotten worse because 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.440 the failure of this governor to engage in sensible fire suppression. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.959 Elder also blames California's rising housing costs on environmental extremists 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.199 that jack up the cost of housing so that developers 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.199 have to wait and wait and get sued over and over. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.160 Agains that finally, when the home is built, it's way 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.760 more expensive than otherwise it would be without these environmental 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.520 rules and regulations. Despite the slight back pedaling on climate 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.319 for better media optics, his potential policies on the topic 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.880 are just as horrendous as one might assume. In a 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.560 recent video news conference, Elder declared that he would in 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.760 the war on oil and gas and the attack on 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.120 the logging industry, will also reducing regulation on fracking and 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.600 stopping California's growing efforts to expand when in solar power, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.200 which he calls not very efficient. Elder did not mention 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.360 climate change during his news conference. Water scarcity will be 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.520 an increasingly severe concern for California in the coming years. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.880 Drought is already a major political talking point among voters 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.720 and politicians, and it creates another rift between city folk 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.760 and rural farmers. Farmers are having a harder time growing 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.960 crops and feel threatened by water rationing. They're frustrated by 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.880 the thought that the Democrats running cities will always prioritize 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.880 pumping extra water into population dense areas. Meanwhile, people in 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.960 cities are concerned they will be forced to cut back 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.800 on personal water use, as almond farmers suck up tons 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.200 of water to feed their droops. Just building more dams 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.880 and water catchment systems or aquifers may seem like a 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.960 solution and have done properties. Some of those things might help, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.280 but they can't make up for a lack of rainfall 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.840 and snow melt. Relying on river water has its own problems. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.520 Pulling too much from fresh water that flows through rivers 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.880 allows for extra salt water to intrude from the bay, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.920 and ocean salinity in the water negatively impacts local ecosystems 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.360 and dirties what is supposed to be a freshwater source. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.320 Drought is simultaneously pushing migratory a fish species like chinook 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.520 salmon and steelhead trout closer to the brink of extinction. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.720 Large numbers of fish are dying off because the rivers 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.280 they rely on as spawning habitats are too warm or 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.360 too low. Anxiety around water, droughts, and crops as among 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.440 the issues driving some people to vote yes on the recall. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.720 A poll conducted last July by the Public Policy Institute 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.800 of California found that residents sited drought and water supply 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.560 as their top environmental concern, with about twenty calling it 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.360 their chief concern, which makes it poll well above the 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:35.200 related problems of wildfires, air pollution, and climate change. Republican 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.000 politicians have been using anxiety around drought to drum up 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.680 support for the recall by blaming the current situation on Newsom. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.200 The original recall petition against Newsom from early warned that 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.360 the governor quote seeks to impose additional burdens on our state, 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.840 including rationing our water use. Last April, Governor Newsom did 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.240 declare a drought emergency into northwest California counties. The order 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.960 allowed state officials to restrict the amount of water divert 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.160 from the Russian River and authorized the relocation of fish 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.160 stranded in drying puddles. The local county government asked residents 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.000 to use no more than fifty gallons per day per person, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.480 but Newsom himself hasn't mandated water rationing for individual consumers, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.920 though he has asked Californians to voluntarily cut consumption by 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.240 fifteent and has suggested that statewide restrictions could be on 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.000 the table if conditions worsen heading into the fall, Newsom 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.040 in the Department of Water Resources as a whole do 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.640 have ideas in mind for tackling this issue. Last year, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.760 Newsom authorized an eleven billion dollar water infrastructure project building 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.680 a single thirty mile tunnel under the Sacramento, San Joaque 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.080 and River Delta. The project, which has been discussed for years, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.360 is being pushed forward in hopes that it will protect 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.840 the Delta's existing wetland ecosystem and supply enough fresh, clean 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.160 water to be diverted south for the rest of the state. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.600 But the tunnel concept has faced opposition both locally and 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.320 from conservation minded folks. Some residents in the Delta regency 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.400 it is just a water grab to meet the demands 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.400 of southern California and the ag culture industry, while the 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.800 needs of those up north are being ignored. Ecologically focused 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.679 critics say it could still increase salinity in the Delta 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.879 and result in notable harm for the ecosystem. Newsom has 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.120 more recently discussed other action and legislation to help mitigate 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.359 the continued drought, quoting the San Francisco Chronicle. In July, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.080 the governor signed a state budget that includes five point 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.879 one billion dollars over four years for new water infrastructure 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.240 and drought preparation projects, including money to repair delivery canals, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.880 help farmers irrigrate crops more efficiently, and start water recycling projects. Still, 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.760 Newsom's recent actions have done little to quell anger among 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.920 many farmers who stay the state's failure to plan for 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.359 another major drought just a few years after it exited 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.520 the last one has put them on the brink of ruin. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.359 Ernest Buddy Mendez, a lifelong farmer in Fresno County and 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.560 Republican county supervisor, said he was forced to let hundreds 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.400 of acres where he used to grow cotton and wheat 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.720 dry up this year after his allotment of river water 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.000 was slashed to zero. He's relying on groundwater pumped from 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.080 wells to keep his grove of almond trees alive. Mendez 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.240 said he hasn't a aided whom to support as a 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.119 replacement candidate, and the recall just that he will vote 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.600 hell yeah to remove newsom. Let's face, A newsom dam 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.440 is a four letter word, Mendez said. We haven't done 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.600 anything in twenty years about building storage. California already does 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.119 have one of the most extensive damn systems in the country, 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.800 with nearly fifteen hundred reservoirs. Building new on river dams 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.840 would cost billions of dollars if such efforts even survive 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.720 legal challenges, which are all but guaranteed. Amid the struggle 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.879 to save endangered fish species, there are not many areas 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.200 left that would make sense or be sustainable to build 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.919 a new large reservoir. One other, more cost effective solution 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.480 could be to store more water collected during wet years 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.639 and underground aquifers. One of the solutions to this problem 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.280 is the same as the solution to a number of 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.720 other climate related problems, which is that we simply have 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.560 to cut the amount of resources we're consuming. Whether that 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.280 means reducing our energy use or cutting down on wasteful 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.040 water use. You can only build so many dams. The 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.199 trend of California farmers growing thirstier crops has made an 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.560 existing problem much worse. Today, the state produces three times 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.680 as many acres of almonds as it did twenty five 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.200 years ago. With California most likely entering a third straight 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.679 year of disappointing rainfall and snow melt, anxiety around drought 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.920 and increased severity of water restrictions won't get any better, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.119 And if the Lenina weather pattern hits the West Coast, 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.240 as it's poised to, that would mean the western US 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.720 will have a drier and hotter winter than average. Last August, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.120 water regulators made an unprecedented move to begin cracking down 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.840 on water use in the sprawling Sacramento River in San 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:33.960 Joaquin River watersheds, ordering for farmers, water districts, and other landowners, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.920 including the City of San Francisco, to stop drawing water 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.200 from the basins of the river or face penalties of 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.960 up to ten thousand dollars a day. The city has 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.359 enough water in its reservoirs to meet demand for at 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.720 least a couple of years. And stored water is not 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.240 affected by the state restrictions. Water agencies also can seek 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.760 an exemption from curtailments of human health or safety or compromised. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.359 This does hit rural areas and agriculture the hardest because 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.800 most cities have alternative supplies and stored water to tap into. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.680 Looking to attract voters, Larry Elder and other Republican challengers 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.120 to NEWSOM have made it a recurring point to say 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.960 that farmers should not have to endure such cuts, but 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.040 they don't really give any perspective solutions to prevent rationing. 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.960 When water levels at reservoirs, lakes, and wells are all plummeting, 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.480 Larry Elder said drought is not inevitable and said he 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.560 supports building more reservoirs and dams to store runoff, but 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.760 he has also a voice support for permitting to salinization projects. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:31.000 The salinization devastates ocean life, costs much more than other alternatives, 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.840 and uses tons of energy. Also, soon it will be 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.960 made obsolete by increasing focus on water recycling. Explaining to 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.439 salonization quickly, ocean water is collected and run through pipes 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.760 to remove the largest solids, and then pump through reverse 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.920 osmosis filters to remove salt, while fish and other creatures 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.119 die upon being sucked in or just from the force 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.639 of the water flow. In a report studying it is 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.680 salonization plant in the early two thousands, it was found 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.520 that on average over a five year period, nineteen point 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.000 four billion larva were caught up at intakes and about 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.600 two point seven million fish, along with marine mammals and 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.920 sea turtles were killed by intake equipment. For every gallon 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.000 of drinking water, the salinization leaves another gallon of salty 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:12.160 brine behind. The plants then just mix that with two 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.800 parts ocean water before pumping it back into the ocean. 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.520 These measures can negatively impact the environment for this generation 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.600 and generations to come. This type of resource extract of 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.040 thinking reflects how we got into the problem in the 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.439 first place. Battling over water allotments will only get us 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.000 so far when dealing with lackluster rainfall. 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In 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.760 the Bay area, at least, staying with your brother has 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:25.040 been actually really nice. The first few showers felt like luxury. 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.760 Recently he's had less of a good time. He found 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.720 out he was getting laid off right before the school 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.560 year started. He told me. Over fifteen thousand other teachers 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.480 have been fired as a part of the governor's new 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.840 reform schools program. The teacher's union is fighting it, but 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:44.120 your brother isn't too optimistic of regarding the outcome. He's 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.520 been looking for new work, and meanwhile, you've gotten a 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.719 shitty retail job to help with bills while you decide 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.960 on what hospitals you want to apply to. You don't 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.080 really miss your old MS job in Redwood Valley. When 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.560 you finally do get back into medical care, you really 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.760 prefer something in a hospital clinic setting as opposed to 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:06.120 the extra stress inherent in emergency services. The one chance 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:08.600 you have had to use your medical skills since moving 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.920 was during the fires last September and October back up north. 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:16.640 They got really bad and hundreds of thousands of people evacuated. 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:20.840 Down south. Some old activist friends of yours from college 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.920 made their own fire relief slash mutual aid set up 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.600 to give out clothes and food and to help people 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:30.040 displaced by the fires. You haven't talked much with your 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.760 old college buddies in the past few years, but upon 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.560 hearing of the relief effort, you happily offered up your 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.119 skills to help with minor medical issues in a smell 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.720 medic tent they set up. It was the first time 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.560 you've helped with anything related to protests organizing since he 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.600 moved up to Redwood Valley ten years ago. It was 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.159 oddly refreshing. Politics hasn't been a major part of your 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:54.280 life since college, But speaking of politics, midterms are finally 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.960 this month. The past year has felt like it stretched 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:01.120 on forever. Your brother and his union buddies have been 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.919 doing canvassing for a few progressive city council candidates that 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.800 might actually get a shot at getting in. You haven't 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.879 had time to adjust to San Francisco's local political scene, 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.320 and honestly, you're not sure if you really care to. 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.160 You have been keeping half an eye on the big 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:20.080 state electoral races, though, which feels kind of weird. You 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.040 know there's no way the Republican government will get reelected, 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.520 not here in California. One thing that has gotten you're 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.760 worried is the weekly anti election fraud rallies that have 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.320 been happening in l A ever since October. The governor, 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.840 surrounded by state troopers, has made it down himself a 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.320 few times to drop up support from his fan base, 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.240 and after the rallies, roving gangs of far right extremists 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.439 have gone around randomly attacking homeless encampments. You heard that 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.840 just last week after a Sunday rally, three people had 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.760 to be rushed to the emergency room. It's now just 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.560 a week before election day. You're on the bus home 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.600 from your job at the vintage clothing store when you 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.919 receive a message on signal from one year old Call 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.720 Knowledge Mutual Aid buddies you met up with again during 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:07.000 the fire relief effort. The message reads, hey, are you free? 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.880 On election Day. You hadn't really thought about the day itself, 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:15.960 you respond, maybe nothing really planned yet. Your friend replies 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.520 with a fat wall of text. My affinity group and 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.400 I are heading down to l A on Tuesday. There's 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.480 a big stop, the Steel type rally happening, and where 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.600 it is, lots of proud Boys are gonna show up. 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.560 Comrades in l A have put out some calls for support, 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.240 so my crew is going to go down and probably 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.560 bring some medical stuff. If you want to come, we 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.920 got an extra seat in the van. The thought of 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.720 driving down to Los Angeles to deal with proud boys 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:46.560 doesn't excite you, especially on an already stressful day. You 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.000 think about it for a few minutes, images of the 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.920 people maimed during and after the recent rallies floods your mind. 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.880 Your buddies no more about organizing and protests than you do, 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.880 But you have more medical training. You side, You'll do it, 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:05.520 You reply, I'll come with and pack some extra iffects 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:14.280 and tourniquets. Among the issues of Republican recall, challengers have 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.280 raised to attack NEWSOM force mismanagement has leomed large among 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.600 the recent complaints. This type of thing hearkens back to 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.480 Trump's old habit of blaming the governor and not raking 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:29.160 enough leaves for California's fiery plight. On a larger scale, 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:30.840 this can be seen as part of an effort to 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.600 push all the blame of wildfires off of oil gas 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.520 and our transformation of the climate and onto a simple 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.040 lack of fire prevention measures. This narrative, of course, makes 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:45.200 the fossil fuel industry more happy. The thing is, all 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:49.600 of these things are contributing factors for California's wildfire problem. 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.640 Climate changed caused hotter temperatures and droughts makes fires easier 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:58.040 to catch and spread, and inadequate force management, plus above 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.880 ground power lines do the same. Just because there are 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.480 bad faith attacks on Newsom doesn't mean there aren't actual 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.200 failures he's made as governor, especially in relation to the forests. 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:14.680 An investigation from CAP Radio and California MPR published last 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.880 June found out Newsom had grossly misrepresented and fled out 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:23.800 lied about his promises of new wildfire prevention efforts. Elements 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.880 of the piece were of course used by Larry Elder 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.360 and the Right to push for support of the recall, 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:32.640 but the article itself is a very fine piece of journalism. 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.520 Back when Newsom first took office in January twenty nine, 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:37.840 one of the first things he did was signed on 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:42.160 the executive Order overhauling how California handles wildfire prevention and 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.920 forest management. The measures included removal of hazardous dead trees, 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:51.720 vegetation clearing, creation of fuel breaks and community defensible spaces, 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:56.880 and creation of ingress and egress corridors. In January twenty, 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.480 a year after Newsom's initial announcement, the Governor's often claimed 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.680 in a press release that under the executive Orders priority projects, 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.560 ninety thousand acres got treated with these fire prevention measures, 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.680 But according to data attained by cap Radio and MPR, 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.200 the actual number of acres treated by these priority projects 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:18.840 was only eleven thousand, three hundred and ninety nine, just 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.760 thirteen percent of the number Newsome boasted about, quoting the 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.680 piece by cap Radio quote, data shows cal Fire's fuel 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.360 reduction output dropped by half and twenty twenty two, levels 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.720 below Governor Jerry Brown's final year in office. At the 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.479 same time, Newsom slashed roughly one hundred and fifty million 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:42.520 dollars from cow Fire's wildfire prevention budget. In four point 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.959 three million acres burned, the most in California's recorded history. 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.400 That was more than double the previous record set in 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.920 twenty eighteen, when the camp fire destroyed the town of Paradise, 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.960 ultimately killing eighty five people. A decade ago, cal Fire 0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:01.040 was treating a poultry seventeen thousand acres annually. That number 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.560 has steadily climbed, though Newsom misrepresented the number of acres 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.320 treated in his priority projects. The overall amount of wildfire 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.640 mitigation work carried out by CalFire spiked in his first 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.920 year of office to sixty four thousand acres, but in 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.280 twenty twenty, fuel reduction totals plummeted to less than thirty 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:23.520 two thousand acres, a roughly fifty percent drop unquote. Multiple 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:28.080 factors contributed to twenty twenties subpar fire prevention and reduction efforts. 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.760 In twenty nineteen, the year with the large number of 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.160 acres treated in recent history, the state budget allotted for 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.920 three hundred and fifty five million dollars for wildfire prevention 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.520 and resource management, but after the COVID nineteen pandemic hit 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:47.080 California in early twenty Newsom cut the budget by down 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.600 to two hundred and three million on top of the 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:54.320 budget cuts, The fires themselves made prevention work more challenging. 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:58.480 Twenty twenties, wildfire season started out early, which resulted in 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.600 less time to do prescribed burns and thinnings because the 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.520 same teams that are tasked with prevention and fuel reduction 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.440 often also serve as firefighters once the fires break out. 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:13.120 As of Mae, cal Fire has treated over twenty three 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.440 tho acres throughout the year. This puts California on a 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.640 trajectory better than last year's total, but not as high 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:24.560 as the sixty thousand plus acres treated in Newsom has 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.040 been trying to make up for his missteps and gross exaggerations. 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.520 Quoting the Cap Radio report again quote, Newsom is trying 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:36.240 to play catch up with the state enjoying an unexpected surplus. 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:41.800 Newsome proposed two billion in spending on wildfires and emergency preparedness, 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:46.200 with one point two billion going towards wildfire resiliency in 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:50.520 the upcoming budget. Experts say the increase in prevention spending 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.920 could help the state get closer to a less dangerous 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:58.200 wildfire season over time, but they also expressed concern over 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.720 whether the state will sustain that commitment for years to 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:06.760 come unquote. Revelations about Newsom's and cow fires lies and 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.600 lackluster force management were quickly jumped on by Larry Elder 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.840 and other Republican challengers as an easy way to attack 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.640 Newsom and to move the conversation about wildfires away from 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.680 climate change. Elder has said he has quot unquote no 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.160 idea why more prevention and reduction measures aren't being done, 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.279 and when he becomes governor, he'll be quote implementing these 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.800 common sensical kinds of plans so that we can reduce 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.719 the severity of these fires unquote. Elder has given no 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.000 concrete plans on what measures he'll be shooting to implement, 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.040 or any indication on how much money will be directed 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:45.000 to prevent or fight fires. On the noted budgets. Elder 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.920 has said that the more recent spending on wind and 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.680 solar power has left quote less money for removing trees 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.520 and putting power lines underground, the kind of things that 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:58.160 would make these fires less intense unquote, and he promises 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:02.280 to drastically cut spending unrenew wibles while also investing more 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.400 in oil and gas. To be clear, Newsom's upcoming budget 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.520 contains billions for both fire prevention, slash fuel reduction, and 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:15.440 renewable energy such as wind and solar. Whoever ends up 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.680 governing California is not only in charge of local politics. 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.840 Like governors at other states. What happens in California affects 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:27.120 people across the country and even globally, whether that's wildfire 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:30.759 smoke traveling across continents or changes to supply chains and 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.640 industry rippling across the world. California is, after all, the 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:39.600 world's fifth largest economy. There are also political ramifications that 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.399 could affect the States as a whole if Elder gets 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:46.160 in office. The Senate is currently a fifty fifty split 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:50.400 between Republicans and Democrats, with Vice President Kamala Harris getting 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.640 the tie breaking vote. One of California senators is eighty 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:59.120 eight year old Diane Feinstein, the oldest active Senator. If 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.600 she dies in off or has to step down due 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.880 to medical reasons before her term is over, the governor 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:09.160 of California gets to appoint her replacement. If Elder appoints 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.400 a Republican, then the Senate will be back under Geop 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.359 control and give it his connections to the far right 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.720 media sphere. The list of potentials that Elder could appoint 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:23.359 is frightening. This is by no means inevitable even if 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.920 Elder gets into office. If he does, Finstein does have 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.640 the brief opportunity to step down and put a replacement 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:33.440 in before the new governor has sworn into office. However, 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.560 Feinstein has said she has no plans of doing so. 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.200 Reports of her declining health have become only more common 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.800 in recent years, but like many politicians and judges, she's 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.200 not keen on stepping aside, even to possibly help prevent 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.880 a disastrous outcome. Changes in the Senate are not required 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.879 for horrible outcomes. In the wake of an even brief 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:58.359 Elder governorship, his anti vax sentiments and planned to open 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.560 up the state and remove basically all COVID restrictions will 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:05.359 result in hospitals being pushed to max capacity. Elder has 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.400 said he has plans to appoint education officials similar to 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:13.160 former Secretary Betsy Devas, and judicial appointees like Conservative Supreme 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.359 Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Elder has stated his intention of 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.960 declaring states of emergency and using executive orders to push 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:25.520 through otherwise unpopular legislation. He has discussed plans to declare 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.960 an education emergency in order to fire upwards of twenty 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:34.680 one quote unquote bad teachers. Elder blames teacher unions for 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.600 quote protecting bad teachers, and in a recent interview stated, 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.920 quote someone told me that between five percent and seven 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.880 percent of public school teachers need to be fired. An 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.480 emergency declaration would give the power to get rid of 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:51.799 bad teachers faster than the system allows. Once you did that, automatically, 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:57.279 education would improve overnight unquote. Now, Elder is not specified 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.239 who had advised him on teacher terminations or how he 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.160 plans to weed out the so called bad teachers out 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.479 of the three thousand in the school system. He's also 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:10.680 touted plans to declare a homeless emergency, but his solutions 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:14.200 have nothing to do with actually helping homeless people. His 0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.919 homeless emergency declaration would allow him to suspend the California 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:23.839 Environmental Quality Act, the long requiring environmental review of building projects. 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:29.560 Elders stated goal is to unleash developers and contractors without 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:33.560 environmental regulation, which he claims to quote trees developers and 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.719 contractors like criminals unquote, and allows building projects to get 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:42.120 suspended indefinitely, ultimately raising the cost of housing. In his opinion, 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.520 one of the more frightening aspects of Larry Elder is 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:49.919 his close ties to many far right propagandists. He's done 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.920 work for Praker You Epic times, and has been a 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.680 guest on Fox News at least two hundred and twenty 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.960 times in the past five years. In the last episode, 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.240 we discussed his friendship with Dennis Prager. Also, Dave Reuben 0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:05.560 just recently campaigned for Elder at a recent rally, and 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.720 a month and a half ago, Elder was on Candice 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:12.320 Owens show discussing how the descendants of slave owners deserve 0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.720 reparations for having their property i e. Black people stolen 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.520 from them when the slaves were freed. Those are his words, 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:24.400 not mine. What's probably most concerning is Elder's connection to 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.680 Stephen Miller. In fact, we wouldn't have Stephen Miller if 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.400 it were not for Larry Elder. Back in the late nineties, 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:35.799 a conservative student from Santa Monica High School would call 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:41.239 into Larry Elder's show to rant about his school's liberal culture. Reportedly, 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.440 the student would go around demanding staff and fellow students 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:49.040 regularly recite the Pledge of Allegiance. He railed against condom 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:54.280 giveaways and called Spanish language announcements quote a crutch preventing 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:59.400 Spanish speakers from standing on their own unquote. Young Californians 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.440 calling into Elder's show and agreeing with him wasn't very common, 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.400 and Elder ate it up. He loved talking with the 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.080 student so much that he let the kid on basically 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.719 any time he wanted a platform to rant and rave. 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.840 You know where this is going. That student was Stephen Miller. 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.879 According to Miller, he appeared on Elder's show sixty nine 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:22.040 times throughout his time in high school and university, and 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:27.040 calls Elder quote the one true guide I've always had unquote. 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.480 Miller's appearances on Elder's radio show made him a recognizable 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:36.400 figure in the larger conservative media world, helping him connect 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:41.280 with Steve Bannon and eventually President Trump. By extension, Elder 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.480 was Stephen Miller's on ramp to the White House. In 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:48.600 an email to Miller in Elder told him quote, I 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.360 hope to live to see the day when you become president. 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.080 When media has brought up his friendship with Stephen Miller, 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.160 Elder tries very quickly to change the subject when pushed 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:02.560 on the topic. In an interview, Elder shot back with quote, 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:05.640 why would you bring up Stephen Miller? I'm just wondering 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.279 what the agenda here is. What's the point, am I 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:13.719 somehow what a Nazi? A fascist? Unquote? I think that 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.560 says enough. The reason we haven't discussed the other candidates 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.400 in the recall election is because at this point, if 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.680 Newsom is recalled, it's absolutely certain that Elder will be 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.359 the one to succeed him. He has a twenty point 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.959 lead ahead other challengers, but that lead is still only 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.319 a tiny fraction of the total electorate, which demonstrates the 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.719 part of the problem in California's recall process. There are 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.600 other Republican challengers with concerning pasts and beliefs, lots of 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:46.240 anti mask, anti trans, anti VAXX, total disbelief, and climate 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:50.560 change people spouting q and on originated conspiracy claims advocating 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.640 the lie that the presidential election was stolen. And there's 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.320 even a Democrat challenger that plans to use the National 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.279 Guard to round up all homeless people and put them 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.520 in concentratetion camps. But Elder himself shares a lot of 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.719 those views and uses the fact that he's black as 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.640 a shield for criticism against his racist and nationalist policies 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.920 and ideas. We haven't even mentioned that. Last month Elder's 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:18.160 x fiance came out and said that Elder was extremely 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.680 abusive and had threatened her with a loaded gun. In 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.040 early August, polls were showing pretty much a neck and 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.560 neck for the first question on the ballot, yes or 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.920 no on the recall itself. A Survey USA pull from 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.840 that time even had respondents vote no on the recall 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:38.000 and fifty one percent vote yes to remove Newsom. Throughout 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.520 August and September, results started to flip the other direction 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.680 as ads against the recall hit the airwaves and internet. 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:48.719 The latest Survey USA poll has fifty focent voting no 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:53.600 one the recall and voting yes. Other polls hover around 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.800 the same ten to fifteen point lead for Newsome staying 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:01.320 in office. Now, with poles not going the way Elder 0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.319 in the GOP would like, we're starting to see a new, 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:10.160 get familiar narrative being prepared on on my on my website, 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.040 elect Elder dot com. We have voter Integrity Project. We 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.160 have lawyers all set up, all ready to go to 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:18.840 foul lawsuits. In a timely fashion. The reason the lawsuits 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.279 did not did not work in the election. We know 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:23.839 what happened there is because the lawsuits were filed too 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.160 late and many of them were dismissed one procedural grounds. 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:28.960 Of course, don't like to overturn an election. So when 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.319 did you hear of anything suspicious? We've heard a lot 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:33.319 of things that have been suspicious so far. Go to 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.920 elect Elder dot com. We're gonna sick our lawyers on them, 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.040 foul lawsuits right away. They're gonna cheat. We know that. 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.600 Can I tell you what? So many people are angry 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.320 about the crime, about the homelessness, about the way he 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.719 shut down this state, about the fact that one third 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:48.799 of all small businesses, many of them are owned by 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.600 black and brown and Asian American people that they hear about, 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.040 but the declining call of the schools, about the fact 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.120 that people are leaving, rolling brownouts, lack of water. So 0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.680 many people are angry. The number of people that are 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.719 gonna to recall this man's going to be so overwhelming. 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:04.759 So then even when they cheat, they're still gonna lose. 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.680 That's Larry Elder saying that if he doesn't win, that 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.319 means the election must have been stolen. Fox News has 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:17.759 been promoting the same idea the past month. All of 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.080 it is in the vein of the stop the Steel 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:25.160 movement post presidential election, culminating with the attempted insurrection on 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:29.960 January six. Here's Elder again on Fox News in early September. 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.200 But you're right, I am concerned about voter fraud, and 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.040 that's why I'm asking people to go to elect Elder 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.800 dot com. That's my website. We have a voter integrity 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:40.840 project set up with a bunch of lawyers ready to 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:45.640 foul lawsuits if anybody sees anything suspicious. Big election fraud 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:50.120 conspiracy proponent and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was one 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.480 of the first people to chime in to stoke disinformation 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.399 about the recall election. And I think this may well 0:44:56.440 --> 0:45:01.400 be the most rigged stay wide election we've seen probably 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.040 at least a half century. And I think people should 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.480 look carefully of this because it's pretty good evidence that 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.200 if Newsom is in a straight, honest count, he probably 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.680 has a good chance of losing. But if they can 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.839 stuff every batto on box in California and they can 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.000 cheat in every way possible, and of course this type 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.800 of propaganda has made it onto the most watched cable 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:25.560 news show on air, Tucker Carlson, California does not get 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.200 the credit it deserves for the corruption that's endemic there. 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.480 It's a one party state and they act like it. 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.440 And You've got to have concerns about whether this recall 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.920 election will be free and fair. Are you concerned, Well, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.080 of course I'm concerned, Tucker. I'm involved in election integrity 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.480 efforts throughout the United States, and I'm also a member 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.120 of the Republican National Committee. So we have a team 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.440 of lawyers that is ready to deploy throughout the state 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.319 here and we are monitoring things every single day. Just 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.400 a couple of hours ago, I filed a lawsuit to 0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:56.160 intervene in a challenge to the constitutionality of the recall 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.879 statute because, frankly, I don't trust the Secretary of State 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.960 or the Attorney General, who are both appointed by the governor, 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.960 to defend him in this regard, and so we are 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.879 going to be jumping on every potential opportunity to do 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.080 that and fight back against the Democrats. Of course, they 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.000 are playing fast and lews. We've seen some very alarming 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.839 scenes of three D ballots bundled together in the car 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.000 of a person with a gun and some drugs, and 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.280 so we are definitely looking into all of these issues. 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.000 But Tucker, ultimately it's going to come down to how 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.040 much do people want to change in California. And I 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:30.240 can tell you even living in my latte sipping avocado toast, eating, 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:34.000 you know, Lululemon wearing neighborhood in San Francisco, people are 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.800 fed up with the crime, the drugs, the homelessness, the 0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:41.239 intermittent electricity, and everything else that is wrong with California. 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:44.120 So people want to change here. It's just not working. 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:47.400 And this really is a test of whether our system works. 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.440 I mean, can people get better leadership? That's kind of 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.080 the question. Will there be election observers on the scene 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:57.520 so the rest of us can know this was fair? Well, 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.719 the problem in California is that the voting doesn't just 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:03.880 take place on election day like it would in a 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.759 normal place. It takes it's taking place now on a 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.960 rolling basis through mail in voting. It's a hard to 0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.080 percent mail in ballots this time around, and it is 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.240 going to take place for thirty days after the election 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.200 if it's close, because they have thirty days to count 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.719 the vote. That's sixty days of voting, and of course 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.799 a lot of shenanigans can occur and ballots can disappear, 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:24.040 So we are going to be observing it very closely 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.280 and demanding accountability and filing lawsuits wherever we need to 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:31.080 to hold the Democrats accountable because we cannot trust them. Yeah, 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:33.520 I hope. So people want to believe the system works, 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.680 that it's real that they have powered their vote matters. 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.040 So I appreciate what you're doing. Harmytal, and thank you. 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:40.480 A lot of what's said in that last clip is 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:45.520 either extremely misrepresented or just flat outlines. Those three ballots 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.240 found in a car, we're actually part of a larger 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.640 mail theft thing not related to the election at all. 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:56.680 Voters have received new ballots and for this election, just 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.399 like the last one, Californians have the option to vote 0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.640 in person, to mail in ballots, or deliver them in 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.319 a dropbox. The deadline to drop off mail or place 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:12.279 your vote is September. Counting cannot start till the fourteenth either, 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.520 and like every election, there will be observers throughout the 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:19.960 entire counting process. Obviously, this isn't the first time conservative 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.880 media has hyped up election fraud, the last presidential election 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.320 being the biggest instance to date. But what is concerning 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.279 here is that they're setting up a template to use 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:35.600 for all future elections whenever Republicans lose. Here's a Fox 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:38.839 clip from September seven. The only thing that will save 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.440 Gavin Newsom is voter fraud. So as they say, stay woke, 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:45.560 pay attention to the voter fraud going on in California 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.920 because it's going to have big consequences not only for 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:51.240 that state but for upcoming elections. It's safe to assume 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.200 that stop the Steal esque strategies will be used almost 0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.880 every time a Republican loses in an election going forward. 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.680 We've seen exactly what this type of rhetoric and propaganda 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:05.600 leads to, and it ends in blood. There were multiple 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.840 attacks on state capitals during the Stop to Steel rallies 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:12.840 prior to January six. In some places like Salem, Oregon, 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:17.560 they succeeded in getting inside the capital. Even if Newsom 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.799 gets to stay in office, there will still be many problems, 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:24.680 electric conspiracies and the possibility of violence, like January six 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:29.600 just being one we haven't wanted to righteously defend Newsom here. 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.760 He's a politician and inept in many ways. He deserves 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.840 plenty of criticism, especially on the issues of climate change. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.200 But the criticism levied at Newsom from the likes of 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:44.279 Elder in the GOP are based on bigotry, nationalism, and 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:48.880 climate denial. 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Make sure to 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.400 listen to the Black Effect Presents podcast on I Heart Radio, 0:51:55.480 --> 0:52:04.560 Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Greetings and 0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:07.239 welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. I 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:11.600 am a researcher and writer on the podcast team. Today 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:15.960 we have a roundtable discussion with a group of researchers 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:20.640 who look into extremism and political political violence that's usually 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:25.160 stemming from far right propagandists and people in that kind 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:28.920 of whole sphere. So we have a discussion relating to 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.960 climate change and all these other things. So that I 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.360 was able to record these fine people. It's split up 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.640 into two sections, so part one is coming out today, 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.359 Part two is coming out tomorrow. Highly recommend you listen 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.600 to both, maybe maybe even back to back at some 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.439 point because it does really give a nice, rounded out 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:48.920 um view of what we were talking about. So, without 0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:53.239 further ado, here is my discussion with I kind of know, well, 0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:56.600 not not a dozen, but of a lot a large 0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:00.640 amount of terrorism researchers. As we are all uh in 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:08.200 the woods. As you will soon find out, welcome token 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:12.120 happened here the Daily Show. I am Garrison Davis, and 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.880 I am recording in an undisclosed location in the woods. 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:19.080 Um we are me and a few a few internet 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:22.040 colleagues are all hiding from the world for a week 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:25.920 to reset our poisoned brains. But I'm gonna slightly re 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.680 poison us here for about an hour to have a 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:34.400 discussion about climate change and terrorism because all we have 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.760 a group of people here who are all well research 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:41.080 the bad thing online a lot. So I'm gonna try 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:44.279 to try to use to take advantage of having this 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.360 uh unique group of people all in one location to 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.640 have this nice discussion for you guys. But yeah, specifically 0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:52.719 we want to we want to talk about how we 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:55.680 how each of us has an you know, quote unquote 0:53:55.680 --> 0:54:00.360 expert in certain fields. Um see climate change im acting 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:05.080 impacting extremism and terrorism in the next in the next 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:08.200 few decades. Um. And yes, we are recording in the force. 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:10.120 So if you hear sounds like we're in the forest, 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:13.160 that's because we are. Um. You you guys already know me, 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.560 or you probably do. But I'm gonna we're gonna go 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:18.600 around a circle, probably starting on my left, um, introducing 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.240 the people. And yeah, just give a brief a brief 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.560 brief bio. However detail do you want to get into. 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:29.280 My name's Matt Taylor. I'm a journalist and researcher focusing 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:35.239 on cults, um, conspiracy theories, and extremism. And to day 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:39.360 is my birthday. Happy Birthday, Matt. In the in the past, 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:44.000 my name's THEO. I am a journalist and researcher as well. 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:48.840 I mostly focused on the American militia movement and paramilitary groups. 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:56.400 I'm toothpick Um with THEO, Matt Emmy and Big New Houses. 0:54:56.440 --> 0:55:00.320 Isn't here on terrorism, Bat, that's that's a that's a podcast, 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:05.880 by the way, self plugged. Um. My research and reporting 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:09.560 focuses on mainly on conspiracy theories and where that overlaps 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:15.680 with political extremism and the focus on connections between US 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:21.160 in Europe, especially Germany. I'm Peter Smith. I'm a journalist 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.520 with the Canadian Anti Hate Network and the host of 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:30.799 the Unusual Show podcast. I'm Lily and I focus on 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:37.080 experimism and kind of terrorism and data analysis and I'm Emmy. 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:42.840 I do digital propaganda and rhetoric. That that that is 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:47.640 our little crew. Um. Yeah, let's see what the first 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.120 thing we kind of want to talk about, I'm guessing 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:55.080 is how we see like small because like the podcast 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:58.160 is more about like smaller local collapses, like we don't 0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:00.719 there's not gonna be one big collaps Where does see 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:03.239 small things start to fall apart? And how we see 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.919 when small things all apart, what we do we see 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.319 filling in those gaps? Specifically, I think this will tie 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:11.719 into the militia movement a lot in a lot of ways. UM. 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:16.919 So yeah, you guys can start sprouting off your your knowledge. Yeah. 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:18.759 So one of the things that I've been thinking of 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.319 and following it. I don't now if this has made 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.520 as much of an impact in US media. UM. But 0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:27.719 in the last month UM, parts of Germany and the 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:33.520 Netherlands experienced UM, really bad flooding UM that that literally 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:39.239 wiped out some villages and some towns. UM. And one 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:42.640 of the things that we've seen in Germany is you know, 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:47.000 far right groups. UM. There isn't really a militia movement 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:49.240 because it all laws there, but but far right groups 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:52.880 rushing in UM and collecting aid and going for photo 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:57.160 ops UH in those catastrophe areas. UM. And what that 0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.879 does make me think of And maybe THEO can talk 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:02.400 more about this guy as we've seen similar stuff in 0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:06.200 the US with the militia moving marking themselves as you know, 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:10.480 emergency preparedness UM or marking them selves in that way 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:15.239 and positioning themselves where when you know the government is 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.360 unable to respond, that these groups are able to come 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.240 in UM and also using that for their messaging and 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.600 for their rhetoric. Yeah. So, I mean that is something 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:28.400 that you see in the US. The biggest example Garrison 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.880 and I talked about this earlier, but during the wildfires 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:36.000 in Oregon last year, you saw checkpoints being established by 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.680 militia groups, whether all already formed militia groups are kind 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:44.520 of impromptu armed bands, and you also see that as 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:46.680 like a big marketing thing. I know a lot of 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:51.280 the Virginia based militias that I follow went out to 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:58.480 Tennessee two one or two years ago when the tornadoes happened. Yeah, 0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:02.040 they did a bunch of m H kind of aid 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:06.920 and photo ops. Yeah. So just not to docks myself, 0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:09.720 but I'm from Nashville. And then, uh, the beginning of 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:14.200 in March, right before someone just dropped a toy gun. 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:17.680 Great job, guys. Yeah. So in the beginning of March 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:21.240 of last year, right before COVID hit Nashville, we had 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.880 a huge tornado go through Nashville itself and wipe out 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.640 like two different neighborhoods and then a rural town right 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.880 outside Nashville. But you saw a lot of like, so 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.480 the community comes together and this really nice display mutual 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.320 aid to do all the cleanup basically before any official 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:41.760 cruise could get there. But with that you also sell 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:44.200 like these far right groups coming in for photo ops 0:58:44.240 --> 0:58:48.480 and it just it normalizes their presence in heavily impacted 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:53.240 areas and it was not not ideal. Yeah, a lot 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.880 of the American militia movement, especially the modern kind of 0:58:56.880 --> 0:59:02.160 post two three strain of it, is predicated on this 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:05.440 idea of a complete breakdown of order or a loss 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:10.720 of civil order, however you conceive of that. And um, 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.880 these like climate disasters that are going to hit areas 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:17.160 are going to kind of provide a self fulfilling prophecy 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.040 for these people to step in and say like, oh no, 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.800 you need some sort of armed force, You need some 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:23.480 sort of group of people to keep order and to 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:27.360 keep law in whatever way they conceive of that. I 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:29.200 do think it's interesting you guys talking about kind of 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:31.400 like the photo op thing that they do, because when 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.080 the wildfire has happened in Oregon. All of the the 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:37.160 actual like relief work was done by anti fascists, Like 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:39.600 we like people in Portland, we set up, you know, 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:41.720 these these massive camps to help you know, all these 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:43.640 like you know, much more conservative people who is, who 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.120 have whoa to that wait their evacuate their homes and 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:48.400 they were all getting fed and all like their closest 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:50.960 that were coming from anti fascists, and the all the 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:53.680 right did was do the arm checkpoints thing. But interesting 0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:56.840 that like in the South, where there's less anti fascists, 0:59:56.880 --> 0:59:58.520 like you know, compared to the generals, compared to the 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:01.400 Portland right, how some of those groups actually do do 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:04.320 some of the relief effort um and that that's definitely 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.680 not the case up here in the in the West coast. 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.680 Oh yeah, I mean last year, I remember a few 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:14.880 county level militias that I follow in Virginia. We're like 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:18.760 seriously doing relief work, like they were gathering food, they 1:00:18.760 --> 1:00:21.760 were taking out places affected by flooding in North Carolina 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:26.000 by tornadoes and Tennessee. It's not I wouldn't go so 1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:28.080 far as to call it mutual aid because it lacks 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.240 the kind of ideological framework for that, but they are 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:35.720 providing some sort of infrastructure for their guys. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:38.600 with with less of like the theory side of mutually. 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:40.200 But like, and I'm sure there's someone else who can 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:43.600 speak more on this, but like from my perspective growing 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:46.400 up in a super weird church, I see this in interacting, 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.960 they see this like combining with local churches a lot 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:52.160 as well. Um, I'm not sure there's anyone else here 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:55.919 who could say something more intelligently than me about how 1:00:56.040 --> 1:01:01.560 like religion will combine with these like kind of militia effort. Well, 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:05.200 I was like eco eco extremists, like on the far right, 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:09.160 on the very fringe far right, can start to like 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:15.800 be very esoteric about there, you know, belief in climate change, 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:19.440 and they start to sort of frame it as like 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:24.120 our reason for the collapse, Um, that we need collapse, 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:30.200 are attacking infrastructure, like for the purpose of somehow saving 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:33.480 the planet, even though it's really not going to get anywhere. 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:36.040 We really need to We have to do a lot 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:38.080 of our own work on the planet. We can't just 1:01:38.120 --> 1:01:40.920 destroy everything and see if it work. Yeah, we can 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:46.680 definitely bring up accelerationists and accelerationism as a as an 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:50.240 over overarching thing that is, you know, not just it 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.320 not to be like horseshoe theory about it, but the 1:01:53.800 --> 1:01:55.640 accelation is that pops up in a whole whole lot 1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:58.040 of areas, including areas of the left, where it becomes 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:01.760 very unuseful. Um that can lead to like a lot 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:05.200 of wasted time and some destructive tendencies. I mean, I 1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:08.080 think that point kind of also provides an interesting through 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:12.360 line between more mainstream militias and like the really esoteric 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:18.320 brands of eco fascism or ecologically based extremism, is that 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:23.400 like they're both very influenced by like colonial schools of thought, 1:02:24.280 --> 1:02:27.120 like eco fascism and all that is kind of predicated 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:30.400 on this idea of like tera nolis, like there is 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:33.560 this perfect empty wild land that we can have manifest 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.920 destiny exactly, And like so much of the ideas of 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:40.920 order and um like peacekeeping that you find within more 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:45.040 mainstream militia movements come from this exact same type of thinking, 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:48.800 where it's like a colonial order that you need to keep. Yeah, 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:50.200 I don't know, there's a lot of a lot of 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:53.640 people on the left who are in like the kind 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:58.400 of like you know, green green, like like ecosocialist or 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:00.240 like green anarchists kind of strange to get very straining 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:02.560 when people talk about eco fascism, which I can understand 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:04.760 because no one really means the same thing when they 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:07.919 talk about it. Sometimes they just mean any like any 1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:13.120 like quote unquote terrorism that has like has like environmental purpose. 1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:15.280 Some people, you know, when they think of eco fascists, 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.000 we think of like overpopulation. You know, there's a lot 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:19.720 of different things they mean mean by it. But I 1:03:19.720 --> 1:03:21.520 know we we've all had talks about like what we 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:25.000 personally view as like eco fascism, because it's it's it's 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:28.120 it's not just eco streamism, Like eco streamism does not 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:29.840 equal fascism. Like there is there's a whole bunch of 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:33.800 eco extremists who are very anti fascist, um. And there 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:36.480 is some who kind of bridge bridge the gap, you know, 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.400 like like like id S has some more fascist tendencies, 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:42.960 But I would not accurately call them fascist based on 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:44.760 the type of stuff they do, with type of writing 1:03:44.800 --> 1:03:46.760 they do, they do not have, they do not check 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:49.440 all of the boxes. Um. But then then we do 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:52.120 have people who I would accurately describe as eco fascists 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.240 who have done who've done you know, mass shootings who 1:03:54.240 --> 1:03:56.600 have a lot of eco who have eco fascist stuff 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:59.640 either in the writing that they like or their own manifestos. 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:01.680 They bring enough points it's like, yeah, you kind of 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.760 fall into this broad category. Do someone here want to 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.840 give their personal definition of ego fascism? This isn't this 1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:10.920 not necessarily exactly what we use for the pod, But 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:12.600 I just I'm interested to Here's a lot of people 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:15.920 with various backgrounds. Everyone has their own specialized knowledge. What 1:04:16.080 --> 1:04:17.480 kind of when people say that, what, what do you 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:19.960 kind of put into that category? People believe in like 1:04:20.040 --> 1:04:23.640 this organic law and like natural order, and they believe 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:27.720 that like there is a natural hierarchy ingrained in everything. 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:33.720 And I think that generally, like if we return to 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:39.520 like some kind of primitive society or like, you know, 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:46.760 they'll assume that like everything has uh it's own structure, 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:48.120 and that there's going to be people who rise to 1:04:48.160 --> 1:04:54.000 the top, people who just you know, uh don't belong 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:55.720 in that kind of society. It's going to be really 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:59.720 damaging for like the elderly, for disabled people. And they 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:03.160 just sort of see it as like survival of the 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:05.760 fifth um, And I think that's like a much more 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:08.560 eco fascist point of view rather than like a more 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:11.680 green anarchist point of view where things with sort of 1:05:11.720 --> 1:05:16.760 even out um, rather than become a hierarchical Yeah. Yeah, 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:19.120 I think hierarchy is an important part of that. And 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:20.360 how we you know, there is like a lot of 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:22.919 green anarchist who are focusing on like making their own 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:25.680 medication for for you know, people with tybies and stuff. 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:27.320 That's kind of stuff that's like really interesting to look 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:29.640 at and stuff that we should absolutely pursue because we'll 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:32.400 become less relianced apply chains. And we don't really see 1:05:32.400 --> 1:05:36.320 ego fascists doing that. We do not see them focusing 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:40.240 on making medication for people. Oh no, maybe I can 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:43.080 kind of set some people have to say more stuff 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:44.160 if I say it was real quickly. But one of 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:46.280 the things that I always or that that is a 1:05:46.320 --> 1:05:48.880 red flag for me is is just you know, bring 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:52.920 in this very traditional discussions of gender roles and and 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:58.880 relating that to the environment. Yeah, of our rhetoric, I mean, 1:05:58.920 --> 1:06:01.360 I don't we don't need to say names of specific 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:07.520 like writers are people, but there's definitely describe the general sure, Yeah, 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:11.880 stop playing with the toy gun. Oh my god, Um, 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:16.440 just just like establishing and it is kind of it 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:18.760 can be kind of like an older left thing too, 1:06:18.760 --> 1:06:24.640 but establishing you know, ecological discussions within framework of traditional 1:06:25.040 --> 1:06:30.280 gender roles um and kind of like what is expected 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:33.360 of people based on their sex. Yeah, this is this 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:35.720 is this is the dark side of cottage core. Yes, 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:39.160 that's the one way to put us. I mean you 1:06:39.160 --> 1:06:44.680 want to get in here, oh boy, yeah, I like 1:06:44.840 --> 1:06:46.960 parts of cottage courts, just not want intersects with a 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:51.800 certain strade of politics, Like queer cottage core is extremely 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:57.160 cute until yeah, well until you're not queer, and listen, 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:02.120 you know, sometimes they still are. Now here's the thing. 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:06.320 When we're when we're dealing with like traditional gender role stuff, 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:13.800 it's a really like slippery slope into more aggressive strains 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:16.600 of thought. So when we're when we're talking about the 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:28.280 the idea of of the class birthday, it's mass birthday. 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:35.160 You asked to apologize, Yeah, Rick to the editor, I 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:40.400 wouldn't know. That's so good. So when they're talking about 1:07:40.400 --> 1:07:43.160 the claps and they want, you know, they think the 1:07:43.280 --> 1:07:45.640 rod of modernity will be gone, society will be ended. 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:47.680 They can they can you know, rebuild from the ground up, 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:50.880 smaller communities and uh, they can they can build the 1:07:50.920 --> 1:07:54.840 society they want, which is largely no nationalists. It's not great. 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:58.480 The the idea that there will be this this supertraditional 1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:03.600 family structure. You're going to have your this combined strong 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:09.360 warrior also homesteading man and your cool trad life who 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:15.680 never ages above thirty in this society. Like I'm being 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:18.599 generous here, assuming that at least like some of these 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:22.599 people have a little bit of like pre planning. But 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:28.840 they don't. They don't um and they step on each 1:08:28.880 --> 1:08:32.639 other a lot, right because they have this this whole 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:38.320 plan for this uh, this society free of industry, um, 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:41.960 and they can't stop posting about it on the internet. 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:45.080 It's really funny, right, Like they're not they're not good 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:47.160 at it. Yeah, they're like way too addicted to posting 1:08:47.240 --> 1:08:50.600 to like actually commit to like the true off the 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:52.960 grid trad life. At least at least ten k was 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:57.880 off the grid. We don't gotta hand it. We don't 1:08:57.920 --> 1:09:01.400 got a hand to it. You want the circumtensis got 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:04.920 hit pod divided on how much we've got to hand it? Said, Kay, 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:08.360 the official stands of terrorism bad is a terrorism is bad? 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:10.160 Why don't we just bring them on. It is kind 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:12.920 of a concern when they do end up when they 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:16.599 stop posting. I mean when they're posting, but it's kind 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:21.760 of more concerning posting sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, if the same 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:23.400 as like looking at a kid that wants to be 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:26.439 a firefighter or something like they're just talking. They're not 1:09:26.479 --> 1:09:28.439 going to do it, but you see some of the 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:31.680 I'm doing it and when they're doing the thing, the 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:35.720 lifestyle influencer version of fascism. Yeah, do you think that 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:40.160 it's going to affect kind of like laws about living 1:09:40.160 --> 1:09:43.679 off grid and laws about like for for normal people. 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:46.559 I just want to get the funk out. I actually 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:48.559 just read something about this. There's some guy who've been 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:51.439 living off grade in Pennsylvania for like thirty years and 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:53.200 I don't remember the details of this, and we don't 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:58.360 have internet out here. Burn his house down. Yeah, he's 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:00.600 in jail now. He's probably to be in jail for 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:02.920 the rest of his life. And I think part of 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:05.280 whether it comes from left through the right as people 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:08.640 kind of start to try to build resiliency within communities 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:11.559 for disasters that are coming and start to seek ways 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:13.600 of living that do not rely on supply chains and 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:16.280 do not rely on the state. The state will strike 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:20.040 back against that as a consolidation of power, because the 1:10:20.120 --> 1:10:22.040 more that people move away from it, whether on the 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:24.800 left or right, the less power the state has. I mean, 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:28.639 and utilizing counter terrorism an excuse to do so, Yeah, 1:10:28.640 --> 1:10:31.880 because they're giving reasons and it's not it's not going 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:36.360 to get enforced equally. I'm sure the government's gonna gonna 1:10:36.400 --> 1:10:40.120 focus uncertain people doing this and be slightly more okay 1:10:40.200 --> 1:10:43.960 with other people doing it. Um. Well, yeah, what's so? 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:46.840 I would like to talk about Canada a little bit, 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:51.640 because specifically climate change affecting Canada's can be very it's 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:53.720 going to be slightly different, and most of it go 1:10:53.800 --> 1:10:56.320 to the States because I've been I've been I've been 1:10:56.439 --> 1:10:59.400 having my my waist deep in climate science books for 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:04.000 most of twenty one. Um, and Canada's gonna probably see 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:07.880 economic boosts um. And they're probably the state's probably just 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:10.320 gonnaa gap to get act you stronger because of how 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:13.559 the same thing with Russia. Both Canada and Russia are 1:11:13.600 --> 1:11:16.360 going to get more economically powerful under climate change because 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:17.960 of how much more props are gonna get moved up. 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:21.679 How give me your thoughts to canad because in canada's 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:23.800 my backup plan. It's gonna gets too spicy in the States. 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.559 I'm I'm taking my Canadian passport and hiding in the woods. 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:32.320 Um how how What's it's interesting to hear you guys 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:35.960 talk about American millistic culture because we we definitely are 1:11:36.080 --> 1:11:39.400 Rhetoric and propaganda that we see in Canada gets borrowed 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:42.800 a lot the talking points from the States, like the concepts, 1:11:43.520 --> 1:11:47.639 but what we don't have are these strong organized militia groups. 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:50.240 We had three per centers for a while, um and 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:53.360 who still exists, but they were they were big about 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:55.439 being off right like they were the ones who weren't 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:58.840 posting for a long time. UM. And it seems like 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:00.920 as much as all these people are still around, they've 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:05.640 largely deflated, doubt because Canada has made some some efforts 1:12:05.680 --> 1:12:09.040 to call them terrorists right right. Very recently we designated 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:13.679 them as a terrorist organization, which doesn't carry a criminal charge. 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:16.800 But if you if you do something involved with them, 1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:19.400 you send them money like there is there are consequences 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:24.519 that have legal enhancements, um, but are are kind of 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:29.280 militia culture focuses on the illegitimacy of the state that 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:33.799 Canada is founded. It's very kind of soft sit type rhetoric. 1:12:33.840 --> 1:12:37.760 But that Canada's establishment, it's it's rules, and especially with 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:41.600 all the public health measures, it's this growing, uh, this 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:45.680 growing kind of tired of thought in both the prairies 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:49.639 and largely out west. I grew up in Saskatchewan. Um, 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:52.599 most of my families in Alberta. I know when when 1:12:52.600 --> 1:12:54.559 I look at when I because I keep a soft 1:12:54.600 --> 1:12:57.000 eye on some Canadian hate groups just because I'm Canadian. 1:12:57.280 --> 1:13:00.080 Most of them popped up around Alberta. Um, we're you 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:01.559 see this stuff kind of like happening, Like do you 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:03.240 see any of this on the East coast? If so, 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:06.760 it's smaller or is this mostly on the West coast Canada? Thing? Well, 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:10.160 that like that conspiratory of thought we've seen kind of 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:12.280 across the country, Like on the East coast. You know, 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:15.840 just recently we had people setting up their own version 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:20.800 of checkpoints um as like a protest against the the 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:24.080 public health measures, and like the whole eastern part of 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:28.080 Canada is in its own bubble right now. Um. But yeah, 1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:32.759 you had this the conspiracy based movement forming these actual 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:36.080 checkpoints and then the main part of it though, is 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:39.120 probably going to be out west. That is where these 1:13:39.160 --> 1:13:42.000 ideas are the most popular or the most popular. That 1:13:42.040 --> 1:13:46.320 makes sense where mainstream politicians are moving towards, you know, 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:50.240 amplifying these types of talking points. Do you see that like? 1:13:51.439 --> 1:13:53.920 Is that it is that a mostly Alberta thing. It's 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:58.559 mostly like prairies Alberta, the farmland. The interesting part is 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:00.679 that when you talk about groups is like in Canada, 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:04.200 groups are an urban phenomenon. For the most part, most 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:08.120 of our organization takes place around the city centers, and 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:10.320 that is very different from the States. With the States, 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:14.599 that's it's usually the usually the opposite. In some there's 1:14:14.640 --> 1:14:17.000 there's always exceptions of two minimum people live. But generally 1:14:17.040 --> 1:14:18.559 we see it as more as more of a rule 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:21.879 thing which teams organized, whereas cities are more like liberal 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:24.880 and that's what the anti fascist groups are based. Um. 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:27.719 But it's kind of these like these little ideological pockets 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:30.719 that exist all over and certainly that sentiment is probably shared, 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:35.760 but the need to mobilize seems to mostly focus on 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:38.479 the urban centers, and then we'd never have our groups. 1:14:38.640 --> 1:14:42.320 They don't providing any kind of page that's just or 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:46.200 even checkpoints like that's beyond these like very recent protest movements. 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:51.240 You know, there has been no more forest fires around BC, um, 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:55.160 around you know what Western Alberta. Um. How do you 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:58.240 see the government's response these types of things right now? 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:02.439 And it Canada isn't particular situation with um, the Liberals 1:15:02.479 --> 1:15:05.839 having a minority control. Um. You know, the Canadian poems 1:15:05.920 --> 1:15:08.360 parliamentary system is probably confusing to alote Americans that they 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:11.600 don't understand it already. UM. But yeah, how how what 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:13.800 do you what do you see on on that front? 1:15:13.840 --> 1:15:15.880 You know, you know just in true both both true 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:18.439 down Biden talk the talk around like pipelines and stuff, 1:15:18.520 --> 1:15:21.000 but then do the complete opposite. Um. How do you 1:15:21.040 --> 1:15:22.680 could have seen this kind of stuff working right now? 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:25.760 For for like on the on the climate side of things, Well, yeah, 1:15:25.760 --> 1:15:30.679 our our reaction to the firefighters or reaction to the wildfires. UM. 1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:33.360 I mean the government response has always looked at on like, 1:15:33.400 --> 1:15:36.160 it's always looked at poorly. Um. But none of these 1:15:36.160 --> 1:15:38.320 people are taking this as an opportunity to kind of 1:15:38.720 --> 1:15:42.439 change minds and of do pr Um. There's much less 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:46.280 reaction to it. Most like the West. Also, there's this 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:50.559 incredible feeling of alienation because of the way that government 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:54.840 is set up, they have substantially less they have substantially 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:57.400 less voting power. Yeah, the same way the States, how 1:15:57.479 --> 1:15:59.240 you know, there's like this excelling states with states in 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:00.960 the Midwest, you feel like they don't really have any 1:16:01.040 --> 1:16:03.519 power politically. The same things for almost the entire East, 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:06.959 entire West coast of Canada, everything from like Manitoba to Alberta, 1:16:07.040 --> 1:16:12.360 parts of BC. Everyone is very frustrated at at at 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.920 the at the federalise um and how they really don't 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.160 have control for what's happening. Like, yeah, people in the 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:22.040 East Coast are controlling what what our what our pipelines are, 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:23.840 what our minds are doing, and that does not fair 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:25.960 to our workers, because yeah it is. It does suck 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:29.040 when you know, a mind closes and then everyone in 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:31.080 a small town is out of business. Like the part 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:33.720 the part right in Canada, almost Stanley around them, you know, 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:36.000 used to be you know, bustling small towns that are 1:16:36.040 --> 1:16:39.599 basically all all now ghost towns because stuff to close. 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:43.360 People have to meet to either like Calgary, Edmonton, Regina 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:47.160 don't laugh, um, so you know all all these specific things. 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:50.720 You know, we see pockets of this, we see pockets. 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:54.280 We see pockets of this and like the Good West 1:16:54.280 --> 1:17:00.360 in the state's deal. Also it's like like manifestest naship 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:03.000 because like they are a lot of it started with 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:06.360 people kind of moving outward to try and gain more 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:11.479 land and make their borders um larger and like live 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:15.240 further out to like try and uh, I don't know, 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:20.280 to more territory um and with the like Canadian big 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:23.880 surgeon like indigenous rights and the big focus and shift 1:17:23.920 --> 1:17:27.400 to like sort of give them land back or so 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:30.280 I'm not exactly clear on what the Canadian stances are 1:17:30.320 --> 1:17:33.400 on that. Oh, just like I mean, we have a 1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:36.880 big movement from indigenous populations to they seem very like 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:40.280 the comment like, well there's so many different bands and 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:42.880 tribes in different types of nations. Um, like we have 1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:45.880 unseated territory, and the dynamics with which the government is 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:47.800 supposed to deal with and has agreed to deal with 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:53.519 it actually does deal with them is all vastly different. Um. 1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:56.360 But yeah, that that idea of this focus on these 1:17:56.400 --> 1:18:00.479 particular issues, like indigenous issues, even our attempts to you know, 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:03.280 have a greener economy, you know for a place that 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:08.400 for a long time and still is an extraction economy. Yes, Um, 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:12.000 how does that like a fact the oil company with 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:15.640 healthcare more like extremist far right groups who want to 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:18.760 move out that way, um, for the purpose of organizing. 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:23.599 And you also have the indigenous focus within the liberal government. 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:25.519 So like, how do those two groups do you think 1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:31.560 like interact? Uh? Like the general conception is that the 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:36.200 push for indigenous rights, especially on the farther right, is 1:18:36.200 --> 1:18:40.760 is for the digient franchipisement of white Europeans like it 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:45.000 is um. And then yeah, you do have this Western 1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:47.960 exodus where we have very popular figures who are moving 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:53.360 further west because they are these stronger ideas of sovereignty. Um. 1:18:53.400 --> 1:18:56.639 I forget what exactly it was pulling, but when the 1:18:56.680 --> 1:19:00.640 Western exit or exit was started, you know, there was 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:05.000 a significant amount of popular or at least like not 1:19:05.200 --> 1:19:07.960 strong support, but like existing support there was there was 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:11.480 there was a it was a large amount of support. Yeah. Absolutely, 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:14.520 It'll be interesting to see what happens though, talking about collapse, 1:19:14.640 --> 1:19:20.479 like you know in these small towns, in like cloistered communities, um, 1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:22.519 you know, they already feel cut off from the government 1:19:22.520 --> 1:19:24.639 and not represented. And then if you have a breakdown 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:27.600 of infrastructure, you know, that will create why do we 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:28.960 even have them in the first place if they're not 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:31.479 helping us, which is which, which is true, which is 1:19:31.520 --> 1:19:33.639 like a well real thing to think about. But their 1:19:33.680 --> 1:19:37.439 solutions are wildly different than the actual solutions to help people, right. 1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:39.160 And we've already see how this plays out in the 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:43.760 past as well with um, you know, places where uh, 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:47.400 the infrastructure starts to break down and then people who 1:19:47.479 --> 1:19:52.160 have weapons kind of become the authority just based on 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:56.360 the fact that they have more power. Yeah. So one 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:58.439 of the things that I follow is a lot of 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:01.840 kind of like the more let's characterize it as as 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:07.440 boomer esque conspiracy theories, UM, especially with anti vax, anti 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:12.800 public health measures type thing UM. And one of the 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:17.400 things that that that really is noticeable to me is 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:21.839 how much more sovereignties and stuff is creeping up into 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:27.000 those areas UM and especially you know, they're they're two 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:29.800 really big examples of you know, if there's an anti 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:32.120 DAX protest in your city, it's probably one of these 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:35.880 two networks that both come from Europe UM that I'm 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:39.880 not going to name right now. UM. And those two 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:43.639 networks also you know, love to organize over the messaging 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:48.080 app Telegram, UM and Telegram is tell me if I'm 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:51.439 stepping in at any Telegram is where you know, so 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.760 much of this ideology, this far right ideology is able 1:20:54.760 --> 1:20:57.720 to cross mix and commingle um. You know, I we 1:20:58.280 --> 1:21:01.439 talked about Telegram in the pods, but people are familiar. Yeah, 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:03.679 I have been stepped in it yet keep going yeah, 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:08.759 adjacent to step but it's yeah, so so I mean, my, my, 1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:11.400 The biggest framework going to talk about this a lot 1:21:11.520 --> 1:21:14.080 is is Telegram as kind of this technological body of 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:18.360 the cultic milieu because there is so like basically no 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:24.000 enforcement close to no enforcement on Telegram and so you know, 1:21:24.080 --> 1:21:26.240 these these more malicious actors know that, and they know 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:28.400 that they can find an audience who is interested in, 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:32.160 you know, opposing the mainstream conspiratorial thought in these kind 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:36.120 of like boomer tell boomers on Telegram and conspiracy groups, 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:38.680 and there are you know, militious actors planning to go 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.720 in and when these people over it. And you know 1:21:42.080 --> 1:21:44.519 a lot of these militious actors are younger people who 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:46.479 don't have those resources, but they know that they can 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:49.080 win over these people who do have resources, who own 1:21:49.160 --> 1:21:51.680 land who have savings to kind of like fund that 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:54.479 movement if yeah, oh, I was just gonna say, I 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:56.960 do think that the cultic miliuse like a really important 1:21:57.120 --> 1:22:01.600 heuristic for these kind of collapse in areas, because the 1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:05.280 question of what happens when kind of infrastructure and any 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:08.639 sort of political guidance falls away is governed a lot 1:22:08.680 --> 1:22:11.920 by that, and like this idea that there's there are 1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:14.639 these ideas floating around in our society and once people 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:17.800 have nothing else turned to, these malicious actors will bring 1:22:17.800 --> 1:22:22.120 this stuff in and uh yeah, to put it simply, 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:26.639 then we're pretty fucked. Yeah. Telegram also has recently started 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:30.599 to have to crack down people and UM. Because of that, 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:33.280 you have this really interesting dichotomy of people who are saying, 1:22:33.320 --> 1:22:36.280 like this means like get ready, get prepared, go off, 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:38.840 grig gone. And you also have on the other end 1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:42.000 people who are saying, you know, create all type platforms 1:22:42.040 --> 1:22:48.360 and like create UM more like self encryption and like 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:53.320 I'm trying not to step in right now, yea, yeah, 1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:58.160 but to be able to to speak more peer like 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:03.280 peer to peer UM resources. And that wraps up part 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:07.960 one of the Terrorism round Table discussion. Thanks so much, 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:10.559 for listening. You can find us at happen Here pod 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:14.400 and cool Zone Media. 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If you 1:25:50.000 --> 1:25:52.120 haven't listened to part one already, I would recommend you 1:25:52.400 --> 1:25:55.280 scroll back, listen to the previous episode and then continue 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:57.200 on from here so you have kind of context to 1:25:57.439 --> 1:26:00.880 what exactly we're talking about. Anyway, this is two of 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:05.880 our discussion in the Woods. I hope you enjoy. Something 1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:08.320 that I've talked about earlier this year after January six, 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:12.120 was like should the government ban telegram? Right? That was 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:13.680 the thing? And there's a lot of a lot of 1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:18.640 arguments are like no, absolutely not, and there's does it 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:19.920 Does anyone want to speak on that? Because you know, 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.120 because like if I want to talk about the government's 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:24.320 response to these things, you know, that's a very government 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:26.600 thing to do. Be like, oh, people are organized on 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:29.519 this platform, get into the platform problem gone, you know, 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:32.280 and that's not how that works. One us talking that 1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:36.519 a little bit. Sure, Um, yeah, so they're getting rid 1:26:36.560 --> 1:26:40.920 of the platform doesn't necessarily help, especially when it's something 1:26:41.000 --> 1:26:44.320 that is important, such as like you know, encrypted communication, 1:26:44.360 --> 1:26:48.200 which is something that more people than just Nazis need um, 1:26:48.240 --> 1:26:50.840 and that resource should not be cut off. And there's 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:53.080 also kind of a bad precedent to be said if 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:56.760 the if the government is deciding which uh forms of 1:26:56.840 --> 1:26:59.280 speech it needs to have complete access to. I don't 1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:03.120 love that. Um. The other thing is that if we 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:07.360 knew telegram, right, they don't disappear, they form that networks. 1:27:07.360 --> 1:27:09.760 They're still there, and still they have to do more 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:13.120 things in person, still there, they're just harder to hard. 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:17.759 People are absolutely correct when they say D platforming works 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:19.960 because it works for the platform, and a lot of 1:27:19.960 --> 1:27:22.000 people just want that. A lot of people just don't 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:24.120 want to see Nazi ship and they're fine with you know, 1:27:24.200 --> 1:27:26.559 D platform and they say this works, and they have 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:29.280 data to backup that it does work. But it works 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:31.880 for the platform. But the people still exist, well yeah, 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:35.760 still boosting their own ship and when they bring up 1:27:35.960 --> 1:27:39.120 building their own all tech platforms. It certainly works in 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:43.360 the early yeah, yeah, yeah, And there is elements that, yeah, 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:45.880 D platform is a wider thing can especially for like 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:48.760 in person stuff. But yeah, for your sort the thing 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:51.840 you're mentioning, yes it is. It is definitely not not 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.240 that cut and dry, you know, and telegrams really interesting 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:57.479 because it is kind of this middle space between social 1:27:57.479 --> 1:28:00.400 media and just a messaging app. Yeah. How The thing 1:28:00.439 --> 1:28:03.000 about it too, is that anybody can look at these 1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:06.280 you know, the public channels, so without without saying anything 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:10.040 in the chance, so people could be kind of completely invisible. Nobody, 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:12.400 like nobody knows that they're there. They're watching this stuff, 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:15.880 and they're still getting the same messaging, they're still getting 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:19.320 the same dates for protests, they're still like organizing, but 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:22.479 they can be uh, sort of just subscribe to a 1:28:22.560 --> 1:28:25.519 channel and you don't even need to be subscribed, you cause, yeah, 1:28:26.520 --> 1:28:29.679 just looking into and getting that flow of information without 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:33.760 ever having like formal organizing so to speak. So it's 1:28:33.800 --> 1:28:37.599 really hard to say that like, you know, these people 1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:41.600 planned this because there's a lot of plausible deniability and 1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:44.080 there's anybody was involved. There's so much easy hyper linking 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:46.679 between groups and channels and everything, so it's so easy 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:50.320 for someone to move between ideology and to go from 1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:53.040 kind of like the base level ship into the much 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:57.800 deeper stuff extremely quick, very quick. Yeah, really quick. Well, 1:28:57.840 --> 1:29:01.000 that's like that's good design. That's good for them about 1:29:01.000 --> 1:29:03.960 telegram is that you have all of the people that 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:08.479 are vulnerable to let's say, new ideas in one place. 1:29:08.760 --> 1:29:12.800 That's exactly if you're trying to plan a collapse, you're 1:29:12.800 --> 1:29:15.439 going to need a lot more people than the numbers 1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:17.680 that the people who want the collaps actually have. So 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:20.680 the easiest way to kind of move things along is 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:24.080 desert inserting their ideas and their discourses and kind of 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:29.960 altering the vibe of certain digital environments manually until they 1:29:30.000 --> 1:29:34.560 have um, what we can kindly call cannon fodder. Yeah, 1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:37.880 or even starting their own and saying like, you know, 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:42.240 this is a maga platform and it's actually just you know, 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:45.200 a bunch of bunch of acceleration ISS made made it 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:47.880 to recruit them because saw attempts of this with like 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:50.080 Q and on of people who are way more coleation 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:55.000 is trying to use people. It was successful and the 1:29:56.040 --> 1:29:59.400 people died. You're I mean that And then also you've 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:01.679 got like like the idea of the boogaloo right that's 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:05.160 being co opted to try to appeal to leftists, And 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:07.320 I mean there's a really good article by Left Coast 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:09.240 Right Watch that goes into one of those chats and 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:11.799 they're basically like, yeah, really try to push these ideas 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:14.439 of really try to push talking points like black lives 1:30:14.479 --> 1:30:16.840 matter and all this, we want to get these protesters 1:30:16.880 --> 1:30:20.479 on our side. And then you also have um, some 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:24.400 blatant like white supremacist groups who are all using the 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:26.840 boogaloos And how much of that too is like how 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:31.479 largen that is sort of real genuine like I am 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:34.040 not racist, I believe in black lives matter, Like I 1:30:34.080 --> 1:30:36.559 want to be part of this even though I'm a 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:39.960 bog or like how much of it also is um 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:42.120 kind of reminiscent of what we were talking about yesterday, 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:43.240 And I also don't want to step in it. But 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:46.800 like with you know, the idea of from Anson of 1:30:46.880 --> 1:30:50.240 like Helter Skelter and like causing that race where it's 1:30:50.280 --> 1:30:52.439 like they what they would do is like try and 1:30:52.560 --> 1:30:54.880 frame black people for it and say like this was 1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:58.719 you know, yeah, and how much of it is saying 1:30:58.760 --> 1:31:01.559 like this is black lives matter are and they want 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:04.840 people to see that after they do. The boogleloo groups 1:31:04.840 --> 1:31:08.720 that showed up in Portland in January in July when 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.439 the particular fads were happening, now that they showed up 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:13.439 and we're all like, yeah, we're here to support black 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:16.040 lives matter and stand against the federal government and stuff. Um. 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:19.639 And they had some very suspicious patches that it took 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:21.519 me up took me about a year to figure out 1:31:21.600 --> 1:31:24.840 what they were. And it's like this accelerationist like, um, 1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:27.280 it ties into whole bunch of like eco fascist propaganda 1:31:27.360 --> 1:31:30.719 stuff um and yeah, like they're they're saying these things, 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:34.840 well they have these very obscure patches, um and yeah, 1:31:34.880 --> 1:31:38.400 this is an important reason why we need people who 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:41.000 are not very smart, like I will say, Jimmy dor 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:43.800 who puts these gives these people platforms are some of 1:31:43.960 --> 1:31:45.479 the worst and are going to cause a lot of 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:48.160 problems because they have no idea what they're doing or 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:50.880 they know what they're doing, and they're just bad. And 1:31:50.960 --> 1:31:53.960 like that Boogleo thing kind of serves a twofold purpose 1:31:54.120 --> 1:31:57.920 in that you can bring people who self identify as 1:31:58.000 --> 1:32:00.920 leftists into the movement, but you also have a really 1:32:00.960 --> 1:32:04.639 good scapegoat for like actual Actually that was a big 1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:08.000 thing that we saw in Minneapolis when things first popped off, 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:11.880 and like recently was getting burned down and suddenly people 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:14.360 on the internet start losing their minds about the umbrella. 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:21.520 Guys at the and there was a guy who was indicted. 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:23.759 He was a boo boo boy who was indicted for 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:27.080 um like headlines said, burning down the precinct. He fired 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:29.920 a weapon. He fired a gun on like near the 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:33.360 wall exactly. And so that at the same time takes 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:36.519 away agency from left wing movement and the States able 1:32:36.560 --> 1:32:38.920 to be like, look, see, it's just okay to crack 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:41.720 down on them because they're all, you know, wild white 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.559 supremacists exactly, just from any autonous room with the forms 1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:46.439 of the people in the community. But isn't that we 1:32:46.479 --> 1:32:49.160 wouldn't necessarily for to his left is just piste off people. 1:32:49.200 --> 1:32:51.080 I mean, that's what we saw in every single you know, 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:54.599 everybody perfect the young kids who are sucking piste off 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:57.160 and are going to go smash it. And it's like saying, 1:32:57.200 --> 1:32:58.840 all of this is people from outside of the town. 1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:02.200 It's like, I never sign agitators. Yeah, it's a tale 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:04.360 as old as time, Like outside agitator has been used 1:33:04.360 --> 1:33:08.360 since before this. It's a very old state talking point. Yeah, 1:33:08.280 --> 1:33:11.000 what are you going to say that? Um, yeah, I 1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:14.120 was gonna say. Also, it's somewhat related to that. We're 1:33:14.120 --> 1:33:16.559 talking about using like human on his cannon fodder and 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:19.679 it also ties into the sab sit conversation we're having. 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:23.120 So my research I special are not specialized. I focus 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:28.200 on Christian identity, this white supremacist ideology and how specifically 1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:30.960 how it's grown since the nineties until now through like 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:34.760 the Internet and all that fun stuff. This whole point 1:33:34.800 --> 1:33:39.680 they've been pushing lately is to like there this with 1:33:39.760 --> 1:33:42.880 Christian identity. The whole thing is they are preparing for 1:33:42.920 --> 1:33:45.920 the apocalypse, which they call the tribulations, and they see 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:50.200 modern see I folks see the boogaloo as like the 1:33:50.200 --> 1:33:52.760 tribulation that's coming. So what they're trying to do is 1:33:53.360 --> 1:33:55.519 go off grid and really try to like establish this 1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:58.960 new land or like to protect their kids and everything 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:02.240 from like pollution and all that ship, but also to 1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:04.160 be away from the collapse and be able to start 1:34:04.240 --> 1:34:07.240 buy it. And then while they're doing all that, like 1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:10.000 prepping homesteads and the compounds and stuff, they're also like 1:34:10.080 --> 1:34:15.600 pushing like election fraud conspiracies and all that on like 1:34:15.640 --> 1:34:17.880 Q and on in the maggot crowd. Not because they 1:34:17.880 --> 1:34:19.680 believe it, not because yeah, right, they don't believe it. 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:21.840 They know it's bullshit, but they can use it to 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:26.040 accelerate collapse, just like January say, yes exactly, I mean 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:29.160 when I mean there are groups when Joe Biden won 1:34:29.200 --> 1:34:34.599 the presidency or won the election, whatever, some groups being like, yeah, 1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:37.480 I really try to push this theory of this conspiracy 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:39.280 about election produd, even if you even if you don't 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:42.800 believe in it, just push it because that helps our cause. Um. 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:46.240 And that's that's something to be really mindful of too. 1:34:47.520 --> 1:34:49.439 Forgot where else I was going with that. Well, yeah, 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:51.599 a lot of them don't mean what they say. They'll 1:34:51.600 --> 1:34:56.120 say things that will push other people to do something 1:34:56.600 --> 1:34:58.640 that they don't necessarily want to do. And that's a 1:34:58.640 --> 1:35:02.120 lot of a lot of Like during January six, so 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:04.920 much excitement because they could see that the Q and 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:08.320 on crowd are actually mobilizing, and so they said to them, 1:35:08.520 --> 1:35:13.120 like to themselves, like, you know, get them, get the 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:17.280 mobilizing for the white race, get the mobilizing for you know, 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:23.960 our cause. And they've really successfully been able to infiltrate 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:28.200 that and be able to get some people on board 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:31.360 with some of it just based on using their rhetoric. Yeah, 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:34.400 I know I talked about this on our podcast, but 1:35:34.800 --> 1:35:37.759 you could see it like I reported on January six 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:40.639 in person, and like you could watch it happen. Someone 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:44.080 with a skull mask on or proud boy or an 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:47.840 oath keeper would literally come back from the police line, 1:35:48.200 --> 1:35:51.160 grab a group of people, yell something at them about 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:53.439 que and On or the storms upon us, and throw 1:35:53.520 --> 1:35:55.800 them up to that riot line and until they got 1:35:55.840 --> 1:35:58.240 did a really good did a really good visual investigation 1:35:58.280 --> 1:36:01.280 of how those extremistcupes you used mega people in quan 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:04.720 On people as their foot soldiers. Qu A folk q 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:09.000 A didn't really get break down their podcast. Yeah, but 1:36:09.040 --> 1:36:11.960 it's also with I mean not to link everything the 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:14.479 Christian identity, which I have a tendency to do, but 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:18.439 it's it's very ideologically similar to q and On, like 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:21.200 from a Christianity point of view, Like that's quan On 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:24.200 is like so close to the edge of Christian identity. 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:26.920 It's very scary. Actually I talked about it on Jake 1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:31.559 hammer Hens Q Clarance podcast. But it there's also like 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:34.960 not only trying to accelerate things through them, but also 1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:38.240 trying to recruit them through these like very very similar 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:40.800 talking points about like the Synagogue of Satan and all that, 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:43.559 saying that Christian identity is an entry point for some 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:46.360 of them. Some of them bring it up as an 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:50.960 entry point into further like accelerationist Nazi ship. But like 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:55.240 they will start with Christian identity because I think that 1:36:55.280 --> 1:36:57.680 it's more practical to people who already believe in Q 1:36:57.800 --> 1:37:01.519 and on. Yeah, exactly, Will was saying these There's a 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:04.680 lot of this comes from these kind of boomer conspiracies 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:06.280 and anti vax groups, and you're not going to be 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:09.040 able to get you know, Mimon pap Pap into like 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:12.360 wotonism or something like that if you try hard enough change. 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:15.840 But like Christianity is something that's palatable, it's something that's 1:37:15.880 --> 1:37:18.360 normal to them, and as you can kind of slowly 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:20.280 tweak it through to it on, you can get them 1:37:20.320 --> 1:37:23.080 to this much warp stream. Talk about Christian identity. I 1:37:23.120 --> 1:37:26.240 think we should, like, maybe Matt, you could define it 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:30.240 Christian identity. It's this radical offshoot of Christianity that sees 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:34.160 all white people as the true Israelites from the Bible um. 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:37.920 And they also think Jewish people are all literally the 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:41.639 spawn of Satan. There's this really dumb theory they came 1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:43.639 up with and like kind of rewrote the whole Bible 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:48.320 off of called can I name Zoka okay dual seed 1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:51.479 line theory where they say, like the story if you 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:55.160 know about like Adam and even all that they had 1:37:55.360 --> 1:38:00.240 can enabled. Right, So they see um Kane was the 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:03.839 offspring of Eve and the devil and he was literally 1:38:03.840 --> 1:38:06.160 the spawn of Satan and then he intermingled with all 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:08.800 these races that were there before Adam and Eve and 1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:12.880 created this demonic race. And it's really really fucking dumb, 1:38:13.479 --> 1:38:18.360 but it's still here. It's been here for It's probably 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:21.760 gonna keep going. It's gonna get worse calling it now, 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:26.200 it's gonna get worse. Yeah, but uh, and the whole 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:29.080 thing is they essentially like worship like a Nazi Jesus. 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:33.400 They see Jesus only was really only talking to the 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:37.479 white race, and that Christianity and like God only is 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:40.559 able to be perceived by the white race. And before 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:42.599 you start laughing at people, because yes, it does sound 1:38:42.680 --> 1:38:45.480 very silly, keep in mind that these are extremely dangerous, 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:48.400 like right, this is this is one problem with two 1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:50.519 and on when liberals just start laughing about how crazy 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:52.679 it is and then they're so surprised at January six, 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:57.760 we're like no, no, like it's yeah, like they're actually dangerous. Yeah, 1:38:59.560 --> 1:39:02.080 because you've mentioned in a lot and he's appecially that 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:06.800 it's been mentioned in various manifestos linked to actually has 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:13.160 warned very like organized, like I mean, historically it's a 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:16.040 big part of like with Christian identity with a lot 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:19.120 of these kind of like a lot of them based 1:39:19.160 --> 1:39:23.800 their like whole historical context of like arianism on this 1:39:23.960 --> 1:39:28.200 rewriting of history based on um a fake study that 1:39:28.360 --> 1:39:34.919 was done in Nazi Germany about uh where some proto 1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:38.040 Indo European languages came from. And so they believe that 1:39:38.080 --> 1:39:42.840 like white people came from uh an area that's you know, 1:39:42.920 --> 1:39:47.559 you could generally say it's sort of near the Black Sea, um, 1:39:47.600 --> 1:39:52.200 and that it's based on this like strange idea that 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:59.800 like Sanskrit is not the oldest language, but like are 1:39:59.800 --> 1:40:01.960 you funny the gun at me because I'm stepping in you. 1:40:08.760 --> 1:40:12.280 I think it actually is useful And yeah, there there 1:40:12.400 --> 1:40:17.080 is actual because they really tried to push this, They 1:40:17.120 --> 1:40:20.240 made um a lot of fake studies that you could 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:23.559 spend a lot of time researching this and believe that 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:27.160 it's true, um, because there's just so much written about 1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:29.320 it and I think this is like a tactic that 1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:32.000 they really tend to do with historical revisionism. A lot 1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:36.160 is just crank out essay after essay, even if it's wrong, 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:40.479 even if it's totally like based on false data or 1:40:40.560 --> 1:40:42.880 just skew it doesn't data. If they don't care, they 1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:45.280 just write about it, and that they think that like 1:40:45.600 --> 1:40:48.479 having more written about it makes it more legitimate. And 1:40:48.760 --> 1:40:50.719 if that's what we are talking have been talking about 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:55.519 this this whole time we've been not recording, is there's 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:59.400 just an overflow of content that is so easy to access, 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:02.559 you know, not necessarily from these specifics they're talking about, 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:08.320 just from the further right. In general, I just overflow 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:11.160 the content. It's like always the top ship on Facebook. 1:41:11.800 --> 1:41:14.799 To give an idea of how pervasive, even that idea 1:41:14.800 --> 1:41:17.880 of like where Indo European languages came from, Like when 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:19.600 I still went to college, I took the Religions of 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:22.679 South Asia course and we had to spend like multiple 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:26.160 days where a professor went through these myths about like 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:31.800 what was the Arian invasion, which like was there are 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:36.040 Arian people that that is a thing historically, yes, they're 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:39.080 not white people, but like going through a definition of 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:45.280 white people. Sure they think of arianism as like referring 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:50.479 to a linguistic pattern. Yeah, but like in a university course, 1:41:50.560 --> 1:41:53.160 we still had to go through and like debunk these 1:41:53.200 --> 1:41:57.360 myths because they've gotten so pervasive within the culture. Yeah. 1:41:57.360 --> 1:41:59.920 And another thing I want to say is that how 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:07.000 of these more entry level conspiracy ideas, it is hard 1:42:07.120 --> 1:42:11.320 to over emphasize how small the spaces between the entry 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:13.400 level stuff and the much harder stuff. You can have 1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:17.120 an extremely extremely you know, I'll give I'll give an example. 1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:19.800 I went to you know, I was reporting on an 1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:23.880 anti vax protest and they went straight into talking about 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:27.880 New World Order and and Project locks, Lockstep and and 1:42:27.920 --> 1:42:30.520 the raw Childs and the builderers and like the Sabbatines 1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:33.080 and David Ice ship just me and this is this 1:42:33.120 --> 1:42:35.320 is the middle of the day, and like a metropolitan 1:42:35.360 --> 1:42:38.000 area with a bunch of boomers and trump hats who 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:42.160 are getting this like hardcore ship pumped at them or 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:44.799 you uh, we sell that a lot. With the national 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:46.960 bombing to like immediately it was like, oh, it was 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:51.800 actually an attack on dominion. And also it was orchestrated 1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:54.720 by the roths Childs to destroy evidence of voter for 1:42:54.840 --> 1:42:57.360 I forgot that. And then also there was a whole like, 1:42:57.360 --> 1:42:58.720 there was a bunch of stuff that came up later 1:42:58.760 --> 1:43:00.960 as a big conspiracy that it was actually a missile strike. 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:04.280 I had to talk my grandpa down from that. Yeah, 1:43:05.080 --> 1:43:07.120 And there was a video that circulated for a while 1:43:07.120 --> 1:43:09.920 about then I had to get into a conversation with 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:12.679 my grandpa, but at the time was super isolated because 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:17.040 of COVID and that's a whole yeah, And I had 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:19.000 to like talk him down and show him like, no, 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:21.920 here's uh, here's a video from somebody I knew who 1:43:21.960 --> 1:43:23.960 was like somewhat in the area and saw the explosion 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:28.880 and like in there was not a missile anywhere. Yeah. 1:43:28.960 --> 1:43:31.880 One of the data studies that I've done is UM 1:43:31.920 --> 1:43:35.160 and worked on is using big pool and small pool 1:43:35.479 --> 1:43:40.040 discord servers of far right extremists UM, far right militia 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:45.599 groups and UM very very accelerationist skull mass that networks 1:43:46.160 --> 1:43:48.719 UM and looking at the big pools and the small 1:43:48.720 --> 1:43:53.599 pools and seeing the app mentioned between them. Yeah, and 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:57.840 there was not one person who was more than three 1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:02.080 notes away from anybody else. It's very it can't be 1:44:02.120 --> 1:44:06.960 overstated how close people are from entry to very very 1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:15.240 very extreme h types of goals and explicit ideologies that 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:18.720 explicitly pushed violence. And another point I want to bring 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:22.240 up is um like, yeah, there's been much said about 1:44:22.280 --> 1:44:25.080 Qunan isn't going away, It's just not called quan On anymore. 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:31.200 With with these anti vax mobilizations, those mobilizations and groups 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:33.519 aren't going away. They're just going to continue to shift 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:37.920 in a ball of their focus and the stay you're 1:44:37.920 --> 1:44:41.599 planning for it like they've they've they've they've designed it 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:46.160 that way. So I sometimes I find the normal stuff first, 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:49.120 sometimes I find the crazy stuff first. But I mean 1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:52.559 not even that long ago, I came across a particular 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:55.320 social media profile that was explicitly calling for acts of 1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:57.479 terror and attempting to organize acts of terror and displaying 1:44:57.479 --> 1:45:00.040 acts of terror, which is like an immediate for the 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:02.000 one that needs to be dealt with. However, they had 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:05.800 multiple alternate accounts that you follow that path, and on 1:45:05.840 --> 1:45:09.479 their other accounts they're sharing like Tucker Carlson stuff like 1:45:10.160 --> 1:45:12.280 things that your grandparents are going to watch right like, 1:45:12.439 --> 1:45:15.080 and that is done on purpose to try to like 1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:20.639 siphon people out of um. More quote unquote mainstream versions 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:24.960 of like conspiratorial thinking directly into like you should start 1:45:25.000 --> 1:45:28.280 exploding things, and even even more even more, let's say 1:45:28.360 --> 1:45:31.800 left of center conspiracy thinking ties into this is what 1:45:32.000 --> 1:45:35.519 does and it's not. You know, conspiracy theories are not 1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:38.920 solely a thing of the right, which which takes me 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:42.160 off to no end. No, I just want to back 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:44.120 you up on that, Like I think there's this maybe 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:46.920 this like implicit idea that the left is immune to 1:45:46.960 --> 1:45:55.360 conspiracy theories when it very much is. Yeah, I just 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:58.320 wanted to emphasize that point. That idea that of like 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:02.080 never being that far from the serious stuff is something 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:07.120 that's really really observable, even beyond like a data level. 1:46:07.320 --> 1:46:10.280 I used to like consult with local newsrooms on how 1:46:10.280 --> 1:46:12.840 to report on things, and one of the big points 1:46:12.840 --> 1:46:15.040 I always tried to drill in was like, if you 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:18.360 fuck this up and you frame this the wrong way, 1:46:18.640 --> 1:46:22.120 it will have consequences. And if this is stepping in 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:28.519 it too much, we can come but like the um 1:46:28.720 --> 1:46:33.400 Dylan Roof. Dylan Roof started his journey to radicalization by 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:40.840 reading about Trayvon Martin in local news websites and local newspapers, 1:46:40.920 --> 1:46:44.719 and then googling black on white crime and his first 1:46:44.760 --> 1:46:51.760 result exactly and like it does not It did not 1:46:51.840 --> 1:46:55.960 take long for him to go from I am reading 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:59.400 local news articles that are framed this specific way to 1:46:59.800 --> 1:47:04.760 im killing people. That's not normal, of course, like a 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:06.719 lot of people are not going to be reading local 1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:09.160 news and then suddenly start to think this way, but 1:47:09.320 --> 1:47:14.040 like there is a concerted effort by some very specific 1:47:14.080 --> 1:47:22.920 people who would like to make that pathway easier. It's 1:47:23.080 --> 1:47:26.519 what's interesting because we don't we can't like define it 1:47:26.600 --> 1:47:28.599 really as terrorism. What are they doing. They're really just 1:47:28.960 --> 1:47:32.400 they're just saying things. They're just encouraging people to do things, 1:47:32.400 --> 1:47:36.840 and like they're not like they're not doing anything wrong. 1:47:36.920 --> 1:47:40.120 We can't really call it terrorism. The most dangerous people 1:47:40.160 --> 1:47:42.599 in this game are usually not the ones doing the shooting, 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:46.679 people behind the scenes trying to go on these paths 1:47:46.680 --> 1:47:48.720 in the first looking for people who are willing and 1:47:48.760 --> 1:47:51.880 then so they see somebody reading local news maybe and 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.600 they want to make that pathway easier for to go 1:47:54.680 --> 1:47:57.680 from local news to Dylan Ruth like because that's not 1:47:57.720 --> 1:48:02.320 a normal jump, but they really want to find people 1:48:02.360 --> 1:48:04.559 who are looking at local news like that, and then 1:48:04.640 --> 1:48:06.559 say to them like, well, okay, you look at this. 1:48:06.760 --> 1:48:09.120 Now look at that trying to try respect to climate change. 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:11.679 How do you see do you see a similar pathway 1:48:11.680 --> 1:48:14.360 instead of instead of some of googling no black white crime, 1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:18.600 like googling stuff about collapse and and like modern modern civilization. 1:48:19.439 --> 1:48:22.360 Eric Stryker, I don't know. Eric Striker has been on 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:24.639 about this, and I think that he's a i mean 1:48:26.800 --> 1:48:30.200 relatively like middle point that people get to like fairly 1:48:30.280 --> 1:48:35.599 like average people do listen to things like Eric Stryker 1:48:36.800 --> 1:48:42.160 entry level explicit Nazi and another thing, cut me off 1:48:42.200 --> 1:48:44.320 if we don't want to go in this direction. But 1:48:45.040 --> 1:48:47.960 you know, one of the biggest places where we see 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:58.639 young people getting into conspiracy theories is TikTok alright, TikTok 1:49:00.120 --> 1:49:02.280 that cut that cut that we're not we're not cutting that. 1:49:02.479 --> 1:49:06.320 That is that is with the pod. Yeah. The biggest 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:10.559 entry points seen for a lot of things remains crisis. Yeah. 1:49:11.920 --> 1:49:15.640 And the thing is this, our upcoming climate scenario is 1:49:15.680 --> 1:49:19.000 going to give people an easier jumping on point. Well, yeah, 1:49:19.080 --> 1:49:20.960 that's so. I mean we were talking about how like 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:24.840 the mythology of like like black on white crime and 1:49:24.880 --> 1:49:27.800 all this stuff they're trying to create a situation that, 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:31.479 you know, with the urgency that justifies fascism, which on 1:49:31.560 --> 1:49:36.280 its own is unjustifiable and ridiculous. But when there's a crisis, 1:49:36.520 --> 1:49:39.559 climate change is the existential threat that they've been trying 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:42.200 to artificially create, and they no longer have to. They 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:44.000 now get to skip a lot of steps and save 1:49:44.040 --> 1:49:45.760 a lot of energy by just planning at the fact 1:49:45.840 --> 1:49:50.800 that everything is literally on fire and that like that 1:49:50.800 --> 1:49:53.320 that makes it so much quicker. State, we have to 1:49:53.360 --> 1:49:57.560 do something. We have all the guns. Now would be 1:49:57.600 --> 1:50:00.840 a great time to join it on our power. This kid, 1:50:01.040 --> 1:50:04.519 this this is our bym Our era hyperinflation type ship. Yeah, 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:08.240 I mean this is like when you're when you can't 1:50:08.479 --> 1:50:11.799 get food from the grocery store anymore because of supply 1:50:11.880 --> 1:50:14.160 chain problems, or when everything around you is on fire. 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:16.280 You don't need like a grace, you don't need a 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:18.920 great replacement theory, you don't need anything. You don't need 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:23.120 to say that the rothschilds are behind you. You haven't 1:50:23.160 --> 1:50:25.200 just need to wait. You have you have enough things 1:50:25.240 --> 1:50:29.000 that you experience yourself, and it's much scarier when you 1:50:29.040 --> 1:50:31.680 can't because I can't like like how do we how 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:35.240 do we stop? Yeah, I can't find it's harder. Well, 1:50:35.240 --> 1:50:38.080 it's literally on fire. It's it's a problem and something 1:50:38.120 --> 1:50:40.240 needs to be done about it. I don't like your solution, 1:50:40.720 --> 1:50:43.720 but something needs to happen. So what what what do 1:50:43.760 --> 1:50:45.680 you think on this path? And this is gonna get 1:50:45.680 --> 1:50:48.040 a whole lot more speculative, like what can we do 1:50:48.080 --> 1:50:54.520 to make people falling down those pathways less often? Like like, yes, 1:50:54.800 --> 1:50:56.439 that is that, that's that's one of the things that 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:58.280 we're trying to do on the pot is making sure 1:50:58.280 --> 1:51:01.760 that people do not fall fold down the the doom 1:51:01.960 --> 1:51:04.759 pathway because yeah, this that that does get people along 1:51:04.840 --> 1:51:11.200 down logical like against like like against most types of extremism. 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:14.600 Eco extremism is mostly logical. Like you look at it 1:51:14.640 --> 1:51:17.280 and you say, we need a radical change right now, 1:51:17.760 --> 1:51:21.680 and that's correct. Um, it's just the way that they 1:51:21.720 --> 1:51:23.800 go about it is very, very different, and that's why, 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:26.479 like you know, eco fascism is very different. It's its 1:51:26.479 --> 1:51:30.280 own type of eco extremism. And there's green anarchy that's 1:51:30.320 --> 1:51:33.200 a very different type of eco extremism. Like these are 1:51:33.200 --> 1:51:38.400 all different parts of something that almost has the same 1:51:38.439 --> 1:51:41.519 goals but wants to go about them very very, very differently, 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:43.880 and it's so easy to just look around and see 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:46.479 how everything's on fire, and I think like the government's 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:49.120 doing nothing about it. The government starts doing something about it, 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:52.280 and then suddenly it's the state's two bigs. We're in communism, 1:51:52.479 --> 1:51:55.439 you know. So they all of like different goals and 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:57.519 it's very conflicting on how to how to deal with 1:51:57.920 --> 1:52:01.760 and like even the very from tactics between green anarchy 1:52:01.920 --> 1:52:05.760 and like fascistic you extreamism. They also will get two 1:52:05.760 --> 1:52:09.240 different end fools, right, like you like your your basic 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:12.240 amprim what's a very different life than you're you know, 1:52:12.720 --> 1:52:16.240 very you know, very stepping in it pilled fascist? Right, 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:20.840 A collapse can only benefit the right. A collapse can 1:52:20.880 --> 1:52:25.080 only benefit the people who already have power, who already 1:52:25.120 --> 1:52:31.240 able bodied, who already stocked up on guns, who already like, yeah, 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:33.800 that doesn't frustrate me with their being anarchists who are 1:52:33.840 --> 1:52:36.880 like rooting for the collapse because you're not gonna win, 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:42.519 like you're just going to be somewhere on the wall. Yeah. Well, 1:52:42.520 --> 1:52:44.720 they've got very strict ideas of which people count as 1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:47.799 human and the goal of the majority of fascist movements 1:52:47.840 --> 1:52:49.599 is to you know, purge the ranks of the people 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:52.479 they see is lesser, and they have they have, they 1:52:52.520 --> 1:52:55.639 have very precise ideas about who they plan on letting 1:52:55.680 --> 1:53:00.519 to survive the collapse. So let's let's I think it's 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:02.240 time to start talking about and tell me if I'm 1:53:02.280 --> 1:53:04.400 taking this in the long direction. You know what the 1:53:04.400 --> 1:53:10.320 funding someone do? Who's listening to this? Yeah? No, stop recycling, 1:53:10.560 --> 1:53:17.880 it's all getting buried in the Oregan force. Just vote. 1:53:18.640 --> 1:53:21.280 I mean, like, what made you start local? Find a 1:53:21.320 --> 1:53:26.400 local group, find a local direct action group. Investigate that 1:53:26.439 --> 1:53:30.360 group and see who is behind it. But find start locally. 1:53:30.360 --> 1:53:33.519 It has to start at the local level, because when 1:53:34.200 --> 1:53:36.599 should I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna say if the 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:40.439 collapse comes or like or no, not the collapse like local, 1:53:40.560 --> 1:53:44.439 local collapses. There's anyway disasters, Confucio disasters are gonna affect 1:53:44.439 --> 1:53:47.559 at the local level. Talk to your talk to your neighbors, 1:53:48.240 --> 1:53:51.160 talk to your family, Like, try to get your family 1:53:51.280 --> 1:53:54.439 on these paths that lead to helping your neighbors instead 1:53:54.439 --> 1:53:58.000 of you know, making friends with the church militia. Before 1:53:58.040 --> 1:54:00.760 you buy a gun, learn how to fucking garden, but 1:54:01.240 --> 1:54:05.240 buying a gun and that sort of thing is is good. 1:54:05.320 --> 1:54:08.840 It's good to know how to use firearms, basic biency preparedness. Yes, 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:10.640 but learn learn how to put on our turn to 1:54:10.840 --> 1:54:13.400 learn how to feed yourself, learn how to grows some 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:16.280 fucking food. Learn how to cook that fucking food. Get 1:54:16.280 --> 1:54:19.000 in effect all that comes before, like you get to 1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:25.680 be a fallout character. Yeah, oh yeah, an individual first 1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:30.120 aid kit. You can buy them on the stores. You can. 1:54:30.320 --> 1:54:32.040 You can buy them and like some pawn shops. Yeah, 1:54:32.080 --> 1:54:34.840 I like North American Rescue or North River Rescue. I'm 1:54:34.880 --> 1:54:36.520 sure we'll find about. I text more on the poduct. 1:54:37.280 --> 1:54:39.640 Well there, Look, there are two big things. One, we 1:54:39.760 --> 1:54:43.480 all have a moral obligation to consistently counter the black 1:54:43.480 --> 1:54:46.400 pill doom er ship. Everything is coming to an end, 1:54:46.760 --> 1:54:50.640 like it doesn't have to. That's optional. Like things are 1:54:50.640 --> 1:54:53.760 going to get bad, but there's degrees of that. We 1:54:53.800 --> 1:54:56.720 can stop it from being. You don't need civilizational great, 1:54:56.760 --> 1:54:59.120 we don't need civilization to end like that can be done. 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:02.080 Step two. We also have an obligation to counter the 1:55:02.080 --> 1:55:05.640 individualist stuff and and and focus our efforts more towards 1:55:06.000 --> 1:55:10.320 towards community and relationships. That is so so important because 1:55:10.320 --> 1:55:12.240 every idiot that's gonna buy a gunna have a bunker, 1:55:12.720 --> 1:55:14.080 not only is not going to make it, that's gonna 1:55:14.080 --> 1:55:15.600 screw the rest of us. Like this has to be 1:55:15.640 --> 1:55:18.200 a communal effort and almost civilization thing, Like we do 1:55:18.320 --> 1:55:21.880 need civilization to change, like we need human society, as 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:23.560 we lay out we as has a lot of problems. 1:55:23.560 --> 1:55:26.840 I understand people's critiques of human civilization. We still need 1:55:26.840 --> 1:55:29.280 a society, but yeah, we we need we need places 1:55:29.440 --> 1:55:32.240 that you know, people are going to catherine and people 1:55:32.440 --> 1:55:34.320 you know, provide the things that we have. Um. I 1:55:34.360 --> 1:55:36.440 noticed that that can be a loaded word on certain 1:55:36.440 --> 1:55:39.640 political circles. So I'm not you know, we're not getting 1:55:39.640 --> 1:55:42.400 into like civilization theory and that kind of anything. I 1:55:42.480 --> 1:55:46.120 was gonna say, I would argue any ideology or ideas 1:55:46.240 --> 1:55:49.280 just the boogaloo that uh kind of hypes up a 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:52.400 collapse is generally one you should stay away from anything 1:55:52.440 --> 1:55:55.440 that makes the collapse sound like it makes it sound 1:55:55.480 --> 1:55:58.520 sexy and personal story as I think it's important to remember, 1:55:58.560 --> 1:56:01.520 Like if there was some massive civil conflict that happened, 1:56:01.520 --> 1:56:03.080 I think the people who would suffer the most or 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:07.600 the noncombatants to deal with it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I 1:56:07.640 --> 1:56:10.560 don't talk about kind of episode of terrorism bad. Um, 1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:12.960 well we'll do plugs of the end. Hold put the 1:56:13.000 --> 1:56:15.480 gun back in your pants, just together. I was talking 1:56:15.480 --> 1:56:18.960 about historical precedent earlier, about things we've seen in the 1:56:18.960 --> 1:56:22.440 past with collapses and how people with guns and people 1:56:22.480 --> 1:56:25.919 who with training end up being the ones who gained power. Um. 1:56:26.080 --> 1:56:29.680 Something that like I was specifically reading about that was, um, 1:56:29.720 --> 1:56:32.880 like the Rwandan genocide. If you know, it was just 1:56:33.120 --> 1:56:36.640 the three months where most of the Fitsie people were 1:56:37.280 --> 1:56:41.240 wiped out. Um, there are conflicting numbers, so I'm not 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:45.560 gonna specifically say any but um, you know the more 1:56:45.640 --> 1:56:48.600 recently like this year. Earlier this year, Um was only 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:52.200 when Rwanda admitted what it was, that it was a genocide. 1:56:52.240 --> 1:56:57.120 And um, the people the armed forces were the ones 1:56:57.200 --> 1:57:01.560 who became like the the leaders and then they were 1:57:01.560 --> 1:57:06.240 backed by the government. That can't happen in America. Yeah, 1:57:06.320 --> 1:57:12.720 And it's like it can't happen here though we are 1:57:12.840 --> 1:57:15.800 we are immune to this in our spot of the world. 1:57:15.800 --> 1:57:19.680 Call it will not happen here. And the other thing 1:57:19.760 --> 1:57:22.560 is look at where you get your information from. Seriously, 1:57:22.640 --> 1:57:25.320 no matter who you are, take a long, hard look 1:57:25.320 --> 1:57:27.480 at who you get your even if you're on the left, 1:57:27.520 --> 1:57:30.280 especially if you're you're on the left. You know, if 1:57:30.320 --> 1:57:32.960 you want to hear about something that's happening in an area, 1:57:33.720 --> 1:57:35.400 look at the people who are actually on the ground 1:57:35.440 --> 1:57:38.840 reporting with people. Don't just rely on like news aggregators. 1:57:38.920 --> 1:57:44.560 Especially on Twitter. There's been a lot of bad, very 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:47.200 bad faith news degreators on Twitter who are posing a leftist. 1:57:47.240 --> 1:57:50.280 This has been a huge problem. Even leftists who just 1:57:50.640 --> 1:57:53.120 don't do that, You just do a very bad job. 1:57:53.240 --> 1:57:57.360 People call themselves like car extremism or counters and researchers, 1:57:57.760 --> 1:58:02.720 and they are really talking about anti They say that 1:58:02.800 --> 1:58:06.240 they are kind of extremism researchers, and they pose that 1:58:06.280 --> 1:58:10.400 way and they look sometimes like they could be sometimes 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:14.080 like that they're not, but like you know, vary varying 1:58:14.080 --> 1:58:20.080 degrees of like legitimacy, but like they focus only on 1:58:21.160 --> 1:58:26.640 like the left wing stuff. They don't think they don't 1:58:24.680 --> 1:58:28.440 see it has to be this idea of like keeping 1:58:28.480 --> 1:58:30.920 it balanced right, like not making it just like a 1:58:30.920 --> 1:58:33.640 far right issue, which I would argue, I think a 1:58:33.680 --> 1:58:35.880 lot of other people would that this kind of stuff 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:43.320 is more concerning issue and there is like merit definitely 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:50.280 to looking at left acceleration, which is not for the record, 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:57.280 left accelerationism is not talking about anti fascists. But um, 1:58:57.320 --> 1:59:00.680 it's really not time to get like well, I mean, 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:03.560 left accelerations will be will be its own effort. But 1:59:03.680 --> 1:59:08.920 what what some people do posing as um, you know, 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:14.720 people who have credibility and are able to um kind 1:59:14.760 --> 1:59:20.200 of sway opinion, They are not really doing what they 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:23.320 say that they're doing. They're really just trying to shift 1:59:23.360 --> 1:59:28.240 the narrative of of racially motivated violent extremism, which is 1:59:28.240 --> 1:59:34.280 a big obviously to being like BLM is racially motivated 1:59:34.360 --> 1:59:37.040 violent extremism, and they want to push that narrative further 1:59:37.080 --> 1:59:39.760 and further. I think let's look, leok, let's go, let's 1:59:39.800 --> 1:59:42.400 kind of probably start to like wrap up and say 1:59:42.400 --> 1:59:46.000 our final thoughts on you know, this whole this whole topic. UM, 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:47.720 I know, we we didn't. We didn't. We did not 1:59:48.080 --> 1:59:50.040 we did we did not get to talk about like 1:59:50.320 --> 1:59:53.160 eco defense very much. Anyone has any flinal thoughts on 1:59:53.200 --> 1:59:54.680 that and how they see it kind of growing and 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:58.160 how they see the state's response to it. Um, that 1:59:58.280 --> 2:00:00.640 might be worth briefly mentioning, but yeah, kind of, let's 2:00:00.720 --> 2:00:02.080 kind of go around in a circle and give kind 2:00:02.080 --> 2:00:06.600 of everyone's you know, final thoughts on the on the subjects. Um, 2:00:06.640 --> 2:00:14.360 I think collapse is bad, and I think that well, 2:00:14.360 --> 2:00:16.640 I mean that's my main my main thing. But anything 2:00:16.680 --> 2:00:21.720 that's appealing to you and on like an ecological level 2:00:22.040 --> 2:00:24.720 that's collapse related to something you should be very wary of. 2:00:24.800 --> 2:00:26.560 And I think you should be way very wary of, 2:00:26.640 --> 2:00:29.240 like generally everything. I feel like that's kind of like 2:00:29.240 --> 2:00:35.160 a butcher, be careful about everything. Um. Yeah, I guess 2:00:35.360 --> 2:00:39.680 in my opinion, idea of total collapse is very misleading 2:00:39.720 --> 2:00:44.000 because it's easy and disasters don't work like that. You're 2:00:44.040 --> 2:00:47.960 not gonna suddenly reset one day. Um, everything is going 2:00:48.000 --> 2:00:51.120 to suck and you're going to need to fight for 2:00:51.160 --> 2:00:53.560 whatever semblance of a society that you want to see 2:00:53.560 --> 2:00:56.000 in the world. Talk to your fucking neighbors, that kind 2:00:56.040 --> 2:00:58.720 of people in your city, in your neighborhood. There are 2:00:58.800 --> 2:01:02.080 people doing good it in whatever city town you live in. 2:01:02.160 --> 2:01:04.480 Most likely, if not, you can start it. Look at 2:01:04.520 --> 2:01:07.440 your local mutual aid network, look at the people who 2:01:07.520 --> 2:01:10.800 are taking action around and get involved seriously. You know, 2:01:11.080 --> 2:01:13.360 it could be going out into a park Saturday mornings 2:01:13.440 --> 2:01:16.920 and just like giving out food, talking to the people 2:01:16.960 --> 2:01:20.040 who are most affective people seriously, if every one is 2:01:20.040 --> 2:01:23.000 a person, you need to talk to touch graphs to 2:01:23.120 --> 2:01:25.760 people if you need, like the most basic thing to 2:01:25.800 --> 2:01:27.840 start on any sort of mutual aid work, trying to 2:01:27.840 --> 2:01:31.320 find a food not bomb chapter in your They're well organized, 2:01:31.360 --> 2:01:34.120 they're easy to join. You don't have to put on 2:01:34.200 --> 2:01:37.200 block and fight a cop. It's yeah, it's a good 2:01:37.280 --> 2:01:40.040 entry point and it's it's great. It's great training for 2:01:40.040 --> 2:01:42.880 for disaster relief. If you have money and you want 2:01:42.880 --> 2:01:45.920 to help, seriously, just give pass to on house, people 2:01:45.960 --> 2:01:48.440 in the street, give money, give money to people, give 2:01:48.440 --> 2:01:52.960 money directly to people. Yep. Uh. My last thoughts are 2:01:52.960 --> 2:01:55.600 just that I think the idea of collapse or whether 2:01:55.840 --> 2:01:59.840 actual collapse themselves, environmental or otherwise, will always be something 2:01:59.880 --> 2:02:02.560 to a rally behind, Like it is always an entry 2:02:02.600 --> 2:02:05.520 point as well as motivator from from all for all sides, 2:02:05.640 --> 2:02:08.280 from all sides, um. But it's like when these things 2:02:08.320 --> 2:02:10.879 become very silent, like was mentioned before, when they're outside 2:02:10.880 --> 2:02:15.440 of your door, that's when you know, that's when like 2:02:15.520 --> 2:02:18.400 the ideology kind of hits the pavement. Like what is 2:02:18.440 --> 2:02:20.440 actually going to play out, what is actually gonna happen, 2:02:20.680 --> 2:02:22.600 and how that's gonna affect people. It's very real. So 2:02:23.040 --> 2:02:27.800 building community, you know, building connections, um, and just understanding 2:02:27.920 --> 2:02:30.240 you know, who is in your community. It's probably one 2:02:30.240 --> 2:02:34.560 of the most important things. Yeah, the idea of collapse 2:02:34.680 --> 2:02:39.000 is a romantic and ridiculous notion. Uh come up with 2:02:39.000 --> 2:02:42.400 people who are like really into like apocalyptic thinking and 2:02:42.440 --> 2:02:44.520 the version of themselves if they get to be the 2:02:44.560 --> 2:02:48.240 main character. So first and foremost take care of each other. 2:02:48.440 --> 2:02:49.960 There are a lot of people out there who want 2:02:49.960 --> 2:02:51.960 to manipulate you and want to change the way you 2:02:52.000 --> 2:02:54.120 think about things, and they really really want you to 2:02:54.160 --> 2:02:56.680 buy in to the end times and you don't have 2:02:56.720 --> 2:03:01.960 to because you're smarter than that. Yeah, it's it's not hopeless. 2:03:02.000 --> 2:03:05.400 We really have to move away from hierarchical thinking. Our 2:03:05.440 --> 2:03:09.560 society really incentivize this hierarchical thinking. And think you're saying 2:03:09.600 --> 2:03:13.120 to is sack like we um, we really need to 2:03:13.120 --> 2:03:16.160 just be focusing on people, like if things people because 2:03:17.040 --> 2:03:23.080 you know, somebody doesn't have to you know, earn you know, 2:03:23.160 --> 2:03:27.040 respect and earn humanity. For some reason, we try and 2:03:27.280 --> 2:03:31.000 make it seem like that. But people are people. Um, 2:03:31.000 --> 2:03:34.880 people are in different circumstances because of usually because of 2:03:34.960 --> 2:03:38.320 just the way that the world is, and um, yeah, 2:03:38.360 --> 2:03:40.200 you need to just you need to organize locally. You 2:03:40.200 --> 2:03:44.640 need to help your own people and stay away from 2:03:44.680 --> 2:03:50.880 the internet. Ship stop posting. Don't stop posting as a 2:03:51.480 --> 2:03:53.800 stop posting, even though we'll keep doing it because because 2:03:53.800 --> 2:03:56.800 I'm the good posters. Um, who wants who wants to 2:03:56.800 --> 2:04:03.840 pluck the pot? You're pought follow at terrorism bad? We're on? 2:04:04.960 --> 2:04:08.000 That's what? What is the plot? Like? What? What? What 2:04:08.040 --> 2:04:13.320 do you? Yeah? We go through, um, portrayals of terrorism 2:04:13.320 --> 2:04:17.480 and extremism and conspiracies and conspiracies in popular media, and 2:04:17.560 --> 2:04:19.960 we look at it from the perspective of people who 2:04:20.000 --> 2:04:23.640 studied this and say, did this succeed in portraying these 2:04:23.680 --> 2:04:27.240 things or did it as more often does problems completely 2:04:27.240 --> 2:04:31.120 fail and cause us all personal problems become propaganda? And like, 2:04:31.320 --> 2:04:33.120 did you make care of propaganda or did you make 2:04:33.200 --> 2:04:36.000 good media about terror? That is a thin line, I 2:04:36.080 --> 2:04:38.640 mean such a thin line. I've made a career out 2:04:38.840 --> 2:04:42.000 is that is the thin terror line? Yeah? Do you 2:04:42.000 --> 2:04:45.760 want to plug your fantastic group? Yeah? Absolutely, with you 2:04:45.760 --> 2:04:47.600 can read anything I read at Anti Hate dot c 2:04:47.760 --> 2:04:52.200 A and we do just general reporting on h far 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:58.200 right extremism in Canada as well as Infiltration podcast. Oh 2:04:58.280 --> 2:05:02.040 and I also hosted podcast called The Usual Show. Yeah, 2:05:02.080 --> 2:05:04.080 if you want to keep up to date on extremism 2:05:04.120 --> 2:05:06.320 in Canada, their group is one of is probably the 2:05:06.360 --> 2:05:09.960 best one around right now in my opinions. And yeah, 2:05:10.600 --> 2:05:12.240 you do, you do, you do very good work. You 2:05:12.360 --> 2:05:15.360 keep your eye on my home country where my family lives. 2:05:15.440 --> 2:05:17.960 So thank you for that. Um, and I'm very happy 2:05:18.000 --> 2:05:21.280 to be talking with you guys in the beautiful woods 2:05:21.280 --> 2:05:25.200 where we have no cell service. We can't post um 2:05:25.240 --> 2:05:27.200 and that's good and we're gonna continue doing that and 2:05:27.240 --> 2:05:32.360 stop using this microphone. So goodbye. UM Yeah, and terrorism 2:05:32.480 --> 2:05:39.000 at the podcast. With that, that wraps up the Terrorism 2:05:39.320 --> 2:05:44.960 round Table Forest Discussion episodes. Thanks for listening to all 2:05:45.000 --> 2:05:49.800 of us rant about our specific weird niche focuses and 2:05:50.040 --> 2:05:53.400 hopefully trying to have it within the useful context of 2:05:53.440 --> 2:05:56.640 climate change. You can follow me at Hungry bow Tie. 2:05:56.680 --> 2:06:00.240 You can follow the podcast Happen Here pod and cool 2:06:00.280 --> 2:06:04.560 Zone Media on Twitter and I believe Instagram can follow 2:06:04.600 --> 2:06:07.400 some of the researchers I interviewed UM on their podcast 2:06:07.520 --> 2:06:11.400 at Terrorism Bad. So that wraps up this discussion. 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If you've listened to the past 2:08:58.880 --> 2:09:02.040 two episodes, you should actually you know, uh, THEO, who 2:09:02.160 --> 2:09:05.520 is a journalist and researcher, and we are going to 2:09:05.600 --> 2:09:12.840 be discussing plans for an upcoming rally in Washington, d C. 2:09:13.000 --> 2:09:16.480 That's has a lot of that seems good. Yeah, this 2:09:16.520 --> 2:09:21.280 is the things never happened? When, what happened? What happened 2:09:21.360 --> 2:09:24.920 last time? What happened last time? I don't I I 2:09:25.120 --> 2:09:28.640 historically only pay attention to things that happened after May 2:09:28.840 --> 2:09:33.160 and before December, so I'm unaware of anything bad ever 2:09:33.240 --> 2:09:38.480 happening in DC. Well, something bad stuff happened there last time. 2:09:38.480 --> 2:09:43.280 It got it got a little spicy, Um, okay, spicy. 2:09:43.400 --> 2:09:45.200 But it's not like they tried to overthrow the government 2:09:45.320 --> 2:09:48.320 murder elected leaders, right, that is what they were actually 2:09:48.320 --> 2:09:52.280 having too much fun. Yeah, they're just boys. They were 2:09:52.320 --> 2:09:55.600 just proud of their boys. A little carried away building, 2:09:55.800 --> 2:09:59.640 all of the building, that big hanging contraption whatever it's 2:09:59.640 --> 2:10:03.880 called gallows gallows. Yeah, anyway, we're talking THEO. Do you 2:10:03.960 --> 2:10:07.960 want to want to introduce yourself? Yeah, Hey, guys, I'm THEO. 2:10:08.480 --> 2:10:13.800 UM idealist and a researcher. I'm based out of Virginia. 2:10:13.920 --> 2:10:18.520 Allegedly I end up covering a lot of events in 2:10:18.600 --> 2:10:22.320 d C because of that, And that's my plans for 2:10:22.360 --> 2:10:25.920 this weekend. Yeah, do you want to do you want 2:10:25.920 --> 2:10:29.480 to give us like an overview of what rallies and 2:10:29.560 --> 2:10:31.960 DC have been like the past, let's say, like the 2:10:32.000 --> 2:10:39.840 past year. Oh boy do I yeah, let's just for background. Yeah, so, 2:10:40.840 --> 2:10:44.360 like pretty much immediately post election, as the whole kind 2:10:44.360 --> 2:10:48.600 of stop the Steel thing got kicked into gear. UM, 2:10:48.640 --> 2:10:53.000 November fourteen, there was a rally in d C. UM, 2:10:53.080 --> 2:10:55.520 and then there was one December twelve, and then there 2:10:55.600 --> 2:10:58.640 is finally one as most people are probably aware, on 2:10:58.720 --> 2:11:03.400 January six. Yeah, January six, you know, obviously got the 2:11:03.400 --> 2:11:06.680 bulk of the media coverage. UM. But November fourteenth and 2:11:06.800 --> 2:11:14.160 especially December twelve were very violent situations in general. UM, 2:11:14.360 --> 2:11:22.520 proud boys, General Chud's, a bunch of oathkeepers, bunch of 2:11:22.560 --> 2:11:28.040 people's confused memas and pat paps showed up. UM would 2:11:28.080 --> 2:11:34.120 kind of wander around the Yeah yeah they did. Yeah, 2:11:34.840 --> 2:11:37.760 pretty pretty fucked up. I know some people who were 2:11:37.760 --> 2:11:41.040 there when they did, and it's I don't know, it's sad, 2:11:41.200 --> 2:11:46.800 like it's really bleak. I was there with the people 2:11:47.080 --> 2:11:51.400 that you know Yubert, Oh good, yeah, so you I mean, 2:11:51.600 --> 2:11:55.680 it's just it's so fucking um. I don't know the 2:11:55.720 --> 2:11:58.480 extent of the disinformation, right, it's hard when you're talking 2:11:58.480 --> 2:12:00.760 about this to like express a lot sympathy for some 2:12:00.840 --> 2:12:03.800 of these people. And I'm not sympathetic towards their aims. 2:12:03.840 --> 2:12:05.640 I'm not trying to do the New York Times like 2:12:05.720 --> 2:12:07.480 let's talk to the Trump voter down the street, but 2:12:07.560 --> 2:12:11.880 like a lot of them are just like they're fucking 2:12:11.920 --> 2:12:14.880 dumb people who bought into some bullshit and it it 2:12:15.040 --> 2:12:18.040 destroyed them and their relationships with their families and in 2:12:18.200 --> 2:12:21.240 some cases cost them their lives. And like you don't 2:12:21.280 --> 2:12:24.240 have to sympathize with them to be like, yeah, that's 2:12:24.240 --> 2:12:27.360 bleak as ship, you know. Yeah, And I think you 2:12:27.480 --> 2:12:31.080 see that with the dc rallies really more so than 2:12:31.200 --> 2:12:35.680 like uh Portland's Proud Boy event for example, that is 2:12:35.760 --> 2:12:38.480 not at all a gathering of like the masses, that's 2:12:38.600 --> 2:12:41.760 that's a specific group of pieces of ship. Yeah yeah, 2:12:41.760 --> 2:12:45.400 And like you'd have absolutely like units of Proud Boys 2:12:45.520 --> 2:12:48.000 or oath keepers. We had three per centers, some local 2:12:48.040 --> 2:12:51.040 Virginia militias, and they'd kind of be wandering around. But 2:12:51.240 --> 2:12:55.400 during the day itself, you'd normally see like speakers. Alex 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:58.840 Jones was there. Um got to meet him. That was fun. 2:12:59.720 --> 2:13:04.720 Um good. That's always a treasure meeting Alex. He's a 2:13:04.800 --> 2:13:11.760 great guy. It was really fun. He's his neck. It's 2:13:11.800 --> 2:13:14.400 hard to exaggerate how how he is just as red 2:13:14.440 --> 2:13:18.160 in person. He's so red, and as a guy who's 2:13:18.160 --> 2:13:20.880 good at strangling, it seems like he would be hard 2:13:20.920 --> 2:13:26.120 to strangle. Oh, nearly impossible. Like that's so big. It's 2:13:26.160 --> 2:13:29.680 such like it's like a fucking train car. Like it's 2:13:29.800 --> 2:13:33.400 ridiculous how big that man's neck is. Look, most people 2:13:33.400 --> 2:13:35.840 aren't hard to strangle. Alex Jones would be. That's not 2:13:35.880 --> 2:13:40.040 praising him, that's just being honest. So during the day 2:13:40.360 --> 2:13:42.640 there would be speakers, you know, Alex Jones, and you 2:13:42.800 --> 2:13:46.440 kind of see people split up into whatever they're specific 2:13:46.520 --> 2:13:49.320 brand of fucker he is. There's like groups of nerdy 2:13:49.360 --> 2:13:54.080 looking gropers. Um, there were some trad cats wearing road 2:13:54.480 --> 2:13:58.720 Those guys were fun. But yeah, a lot of it's 2:13:58.800 --> 2:14:02.120 you know, confused like boomers on Facebook and kind of 2:14:02.160 --> 2:14:05.920 to Robert's point, like I normally didn't go, you know, 2:14:05.920 --> 2:14:09.720 wearing press credentials because I value knives being outside of 2:14:09.760 --> 2:14:11.880 me and not inside of it. Yeah, it's it's good 2:14:11.920 --> 2:14:15.040 to not get stabbed. Most people appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, 2:14:15.120 --> 2:14:18.320 it's one of my favorite things. And so I'd get 2:14:18.320 --> 2:14:20.320 to like talking to these people, especially the older ones, 2:14:20.360 --> 2:14:22.200 because I take the Metro into the city and they 2:14:22.240 --> 2:14:27.280 are mean. They're just confused, old people who have gotten 2:14:27.320 --> 2:14:30.080 in over their heads. But yeah, then like the sun 2:14:30.120 --> 2:14:34.160 would set and that's when the Proud Boys would really 2:14:34.240 --> 2:14:41.240 start getting into ship. November they stabbed. I don't know 2:14:41.280 --> 2:14:43.760 if I'm remembering this correctly, so feel free to fact 2:14:43.840 --> 2:14:46.280 check me, but I believe there was two people on 2:14:46.400 --> 2:14:51.960 the uh they cracked a girl's skull, and then on 2:14:52.080 --> 2:14:58.000 December twelve, they stabbed one other person and Jeremy Bertino 2:14:58.240 --> 2:15:02.080 got flayed on this. He shared it, He shared it, 2:15:02.160 --> 2:15:05.360 and the f d A elected not to prosecute because 2:15:05.400 --> 2:15:07.840 that was the clearest case of self defense I have 2:15:07.920 --> 2:15:11.680 ever seen in my life. Um yeah, so, like, like 2:15:11.760 --> 2:15:14.640 the dude literally tried to flee three times. He drew 2:15:14.680 --> 2:15:17.160 his knife after by the third time he was blinded 2:15:17.160 --> 2:15:19.400 by having a shirt bold and assaulted by a group 2:15:19.680 --> 2:15:22.640 he had no other choice. Yeah, he did exactly what 2:15:22.680 --> 2:15:26.560 you're supposed to do in that situation and repeatedly tried 2:15:26.600 --> 2:15:28.720 to flee and when he did, and he stabbed a motherfucker. 2:15:28.840 --> 2:15:31.840 And you can't, I I can't. He did nothing wrong 2:15:32.000 --> 2:15:35.440 in my in my opinion, all the d a's opinion. Yeah, 2:15:35.480 --> 2:15:37.480 we're all probably better off for it. But yeah, there's 2:15:37.520 --> 2:15:41.440 this kind of established Uh, there was this established sort 2:15:41.480 --> 2:15:45.680 of cycle of show up a bunch of weird Republican 2:15:45.760 --> 2:15:50.600 politicians that you've never heard of before, give speeches. Uh, 2:15:50.800 --> 2:15:54.520 you go and kind of wander around, and then the 2:15:54.560 --> 2:15:57.960 Proud Boys come out and they funk around, and sometimes 2:15:57.960 --> 2:16:02.160 other groups too, like Januine Worry. The night before January six, 2:16:02.600 --> 2:16:07.880 there were people from NSC one who were hanging out, 2:16:08.240 --> 2:16:12.280 trying to cause trouble, getting in altercations all their normal ship. 2:16:13.200 --> 2:16:16.280 And so yeah, there's this kind of like general mix 2:16:16.320 --> 2:16:20.800 of groups. January six shifted the paradigm on that a lot. 2:16:20.920 --> 2:16:22.760 And I think that's the big thing for this weekend 2:16:22.880 --> 2:16:27.840 is we don't really know it's gonna look like, Yeah, 2:16:27.880 --> 2:16:30.360 can you talk about kind of what has kind of 2:16:30.400 --> 2:16:34.000 the event promotion looked like from the right, like what 2:16:34.080 --> 2:16:36.360 have they what messages have they been putting out to 2:16:36.480 --> 2:16:40.560 promote this event with So, yeah, a lot of like 2:16:40.640 --> 2:16:45.720 the bigger groups have been fairly explicitly saying like don't 2:16:45.800 --> 2:16:50.960 go officially. Unofficially is a bit of a different story 2:16:51.280 --> 2:16:54.720 and fairness, It's worth noting that prior to UM the 2:16:55.440 --> 2:16:58.800 United Rally and Charlottesville, the Proud Boys were saying don't go, 2:16:59.440 --> 2:17:01.760 and an awful lot of their most violent members were 2:17:01.840 --> 2:17:05.240 at Unite the Right in Charlotte'sville. You know, it's some 2:17:05.240 --> 2:17:08.560 some of this is a plausible deniability game. Yeah, So 2:17:08.640 --> 2:17:11.640 like the official Proud Boys telegram channel was like, oh, 2:17:11.879 --> 2:17:13.920 this is I mean in different words, but we're pretty 2:17:13.959 --> 2:17:16.520 much like this is a honeypot, this is the trap, 2:17:16.600 --> 2:17:20.360 this is an op don't go UM. But also like 2:17:20.400 --> 2:17:26.760 we've seen activity that really suggests otherwise UM. Whether it's 2:17:26.800 --> 2:17:29.879 like smaller, more local groups saying that they want to go, 2:17:30.360 --> 2:17:36.360 or UH streamers and journalists using the word lightly to 2:17:36.720 --> 2:17:41.440 UH who have pretty close relationships with these groups, hiring 2:17:41.520 --> 2:17:45.040 extra stringers for the weekend, or looking like they're preparing 2:17:45.040 --> 2:17:49.039 to report on something big. Yeah, the kind of the 2:17:49.360 --> 2:17:53.560 I know, we've talked a little bit um online with 2:17:53.840 --> 2:17:58.280 some of our colleagues, and there's definitely a mixed a mixed, 2:17:58.520 --> 2:18:01.240 a mixed opinion on how big the event is going 2:18:01.280 --> 2:18:03.440 to be and who's all going to be there and 2:18:03.480 --> 2:18:05.280 what kind of their goal is, which makes kind of 2:18:05.280 --> 2:18:08.720 everything all the more tense because you know, it's almost 2:18:08.720 --> 2:18:10.760 easier to when we know what it's going to be, 2:18:10.840 --> 2:18:13.000 like we like we have a good grasp and what's 2:18:13.000 --> 2:18:16.360 gonna happen, and this we're not really sure. Um do 2:18:16.440 --> 2:18:18.920 you do you know, has there been any kind of 2:18:18.920 --> 2:18:21.920 response from like local DC officials, like like law enforcement 2:18:22.000 --> 2:18:25.840 or anything about what they're gonna do at this gathering? 2:18:26.520 --> 2:18:29.120 So I did see Capital Police is planning to put 2:18:29.160 --> 2:18:33.680 the fence back up. Um probably a good idea, yeah, yeah, 2:18:33.720 --> 2:18:36.520 which like will cover the capital. But there's also a 2:18:36.520 --> 2:18:38.600 problem with the fence going up, which is the back 2:18:38.720 --> 2:18:43.000 of the fence goes right up to the end of 2:18:43.280 --> 2:18:47.400 the Black Lives Matter Plaza in d C, which has 2:18:47.440 --> 2:18:50.560 been used as kind of a rallying point for uh 2:18:50.680 --> 2:18:56.080 anti fascist activists, and when that fence is up, it's 2:18:56.120 --> 2:19:02.160 just it's a funnel. The so it goes like this 2:19:02.240 --> 2:19:05.240 is an of visual medium. There's a street, uh, and 2:19:05.280 --> 2:19:07.520 that's where Black Lives Matter plause is, And there's only 2:19:07.560 --> 2:19:12.200 two exits, and both those exits lead to hotels that 2:19:12.240 --> 2:19:16.080 proud boys and Chud's love to stay in. So what happens, 2:19:16.480 --> 2:19:19.520 almost without fail is people go and hang out in 2:19:19.560 --> 2:19:22.920 the plaza. You know, Chud's come down the streets. Police 2:19:22.920 --> 2:19:26.360 form a line, and it's pretty much a pre made kettle, right, 2:19:27.760 --> 2:19:32.240 So that's like not good. Uh, it's good for the capital, 2:19:32.520 --> 2:19:34.200 but it's not good for the people that will be 2:19:34.240 --> 2:19:37.840 on the ground. Yeah, because they're also as is most 2:19:37.879 --> 2:19:41.959 of these events. UM, there has been some organizing locally 2:19:42.120 --> 2:19:45.080 and even you know uh and de fashions from around 2:19:45.320 --> 2:19:48.480 kind of the country trying to like put out advice 2:19:48.520 --> 2:19:52.400 and feelers and like what to do for the specific gathering. UM. 2:19:52.440 --> 2:19:54.760 And I know there's been there's been a decent amount 2:19:54.840 --> 2:19:58.000 of you know, there's there's always like debate and conflict 2:19:58.080 --> 2:20:01.720 of around how much to show up, where to show up, 2:20:01.800 --> 2:20:05.720 you know, how proact people should be. UM. But because 2:20:05.760 --> 2:20:08.040 this is the first big rally since j six, I 2:20:08.040 --> 2:20:11.000 feel like there's a lot of people. I feel it's 2:20:11.120 --> 2:20:13.760 much more important and like the people have like you know, 2:20:13.800 --> 2:20:16.400 there's there's there's like there's like a heightened sense around 2:20:16.400 --> 2:20:19.480 the specific thing. Um. Do you know like how many 2:20:19.520 --> 2:20:22.400 people are kind of roughly planning to show up on 2:20:22.480 --> 2:20:26.080 like the anti fascist side. It's really hard to tell, 2:20:26.720 --> 2:20:30.520 um d C anti fascist actions. I've seen, you know, 2:20:31.640 --> 2:20:37.199 a couple dozen people in block towards close to a hundred. 2:20:37.240 --> 2:20:40.000 I would um, from what I've heard, the kind of 2:20:40.040 --> 2:20:45.600 main counter demo that's happening is uh, definitely less radical 2:20:47.280 --> 2:20:49.080 and it's kind of trying to establish sort of a 2:20:49.120 --> 2:20:54.240 community space thing. Uh. So I would say, I don't know, 2:20:54.879 --> 2:21:02.680 expect around fifty like people who are there to throw hands, yeah, 2:21:03.280 --> 2:21:06.480 and a lot more people who are just kind of there. 2:21:07.480 --> 2:21:10.560 I mean, it's it's this, Uh, it's this thing we saw. 2:21:11.200 --> 2:21:14.000 I was in d C for Unite the Right too, 2:21:14.240 --> 2:21:18.320 you know, the second rally, and it it didn't turn 2:21:18.320 --> 2:21:20.440 into much of a thing. You know. I think because 2:21:20.480 --> 2:21:25.160 of the preparation, the expectation, and I guess I'm interested 2:21:25.160 --> 2:21:27.360 in if you think I'm wrong on this, but my 2:21:27.440 --> 2:21:30.640 current expectation is that maybe that might be the most 2:21:30.720 --> 2:21:34.640 likely outcome because because of the degree of and the 2:21:34.760 --> 2:21:39.480 unexpected event already occurred and was awful. I'm not expecting 2:21:39.640 --> 2:21:43.920 anyone will be given free leash, you know, yeah, I 2:21:43.959 --> 2:21:46.600 could definitely see that sort of Unite the Right to 2:21:46.760 --> 2:21:50.280 scenario playing out, especially because it is very similar, like 2:21:50.320 --> 2:21:58.000 there was this massive, shocking event that kind of yeah, 2:21:58.120 --> 2:22:00.920 and so then people will I think the only big 2:22:00.959 --> 2:22:04.800 difference is, like in the aftermath of Unite the Right, 2:22:05.400 --> 2:22:09.600 you kind of saw at times of misguided media focus, 2:22:09.600 --> 2:22:13.920 but still a media focus on anti fascist activists as 2:22:13.920 --> 2:22:18.080 playing a unique role when you didn't have that for 2:22:18.200 --> 2:22:21.200 January six, And I think that's that's really one of 2:22:21.240 --> 2:22:26.560 my bigger worries is less so kind of clashes between 2:22:26.640 --> 2:22:30.280 chud's and uh anti fascists, which is still I mean, 2:22:30.320 --> 2:22:33.560 you know, that's always a thing that may happen, but 2:22:33.680 --> 2:22:37.200 also like you have to think these chuds that are coming, 2:22:37.400 --> 2:22:40.800 when they look at DC police, they see someone, they 2:22:40.800 --> 2:22:44.520 see the people who killed Ashley Babbitt. When the DC 2:22:44.680 --> 2:22:53.680 police look at these Chudd's, they're the people who beat 2:22:53.800 --> 2:22:57.640 someone beat one of their co workers to death. And 2:22:57.720 --> 2:23:01.240 you're like, there's Capital Police not same as DC Metro Police, 2:23:01.600 --> 2:23:05.959 but like in the minds of both these groups. That 2:23:06.040 --> 2:23:11.160 doesn't really matter, and I worry about the tension there. 2:23:12.640 --> 2:23:14.720 I like, I don't care if they mace each other. 2:23:14.840 --> 2:23:17.400 You know, if the Proud Boys and Cops mace each other, 2:23:17.480 --> 2:23:21.840 then that's a great day for me. But if it 2:23:22.040 --> 2:23:27.280 escalates further, and you know, we're seeing that more and 2:23:27.360 --> 2:23:32.240 more the past, was it past to kind of major 2:23:33.080 --> 2:23:38.400 right wing rallies in the Pacific Northwest have had shots fired? Yep, yep, yea. 2:23:39.800 --> 2:23:44.400 Every every reason PW protest has involved gun fire. Yeah, 2:23:44.440 --> 2:23:50.440 and like the one the August one had, I guess, 2:23:50.959 --> 2:23:56.000 I guess you could call it a legitimate change, Yeah, 2:23:56.040 --> 2:23:59.720 a casual gunfight. I mean, the the start of it 2:23:59.760 --> 2:24:03.439 was legitimate. The right winger who fired was not legitimate, um, 2:24:03.520 --> 2:24:06.440 But the two people on the left who responded, we're 2:24:06.440 --> 2:24:09.440 doing so in self defense. Now, what happened a couple 2:24:09.480 --> 2:24:12.400 of weeks later, from the video that's come out, was 2:24:12.480 --> 2:24:15.400 not self defense. It was a guy shooting at somebody 2:24:15.400 --> 2:24:18.400 pursuing them from like fifty feet back. You know, it 2:24:18.440 --> 2:24:20.640 was not legally what you would call self defense for 2:24:20.720 --> 2:24:24.720 certain Yeah, and that kind of the precedent that that's set, 2:24:26.120 --> 2:24:28.800 which I think it's happened a few enough times that 2:24:28.840 --> 2:24:32.040 we can't really say that it's it's the norm or 2:24:32.080 --> 2:24:36.600 anything like that, but it's still it's an escalation. It's 2:24:37.040 --> 2:24:41.240 something absolutely is did Like if that, if that had 2:24:41.280 --> 2:24:46.280 happened in when Unite the Right happened like that would 2:24:46.280 --> 2:24:51.000 have been unprecedented. It's very frightening, you know, and it 2:24:51.000 --> 2:24:53.240 it should be. It doesn't matter what you think about 2:24:53.240 --> 2:24:59.279 the morality of shooting tiny you know or whatever. Exchanges 2:24:59.320 --> 2:25:04.760 of fire becoming more common is a threat to everybody, 2:25:04.800 --> 2:25:08.360 and it is something that should concern everybody. Yeah, I mean, 2:25:08.360 --> 2:25:10.520 it reminds me a lot of and this was kind 2:25:10.520 --> 2:25:14.040 of the impetus of the first season of it could 2:25:14.080 --> 2:25:17.879 happen here, but like the early days of something like 2:25:18.040 --> 2:25:21.080 the Syrians of Award where it went from protests to 2:25:22.520 --> 2:25:26.640 exchanges of gunfire too. You know what it is. Now 2:25:28.400 --> 2:25:33.000 do you think DC specific gun laws um will make 2:25:33.320 --> 2:25:35.800 gunfire in DC a little bit less likely? Do you think? 2:25:36.160 --> 2:25:38.320 I don't? Like? Still like the police always have that 2:25:38.360 --> 2:25:41.400 capacity if they feel, um, you know, if if they 2:25:41.480 --> 2:25:44.600 choose to, but more specific on like the right between people, 2:25:44.640 --> 2:25:46.280 I don't know, it's like no boogs are going to 2:25:46.320 --> 2:25:49.520 show up or whatever. Um, what kind of talk do 2:25:49.520 --> 2:25:54.440 you see around firearms? So yeah, kind of just from experience, 2:25:54.520 --> 2:25:58.520 I think my worry with DC's gun laws is only 2:25:58.640 --> 2:26:02.600 one side will be armed every time that Chedd's come 2:26:02.640 --> 2:26:06.200 to d C. I mean they are obviously carrying. I mean, 2:26:06.240 --> 2:26:09.840 every single one of them is print is printing. You 2:26:09.879 --> 2:26:13.760 can tell that they have firearms on them. They don't 2:26:13.800 --> 2:26:16.800 really try to hide it, and none of them have 2:26:17.200 --> 2:26:20.879 ever I mean, I guess apart from Tario getting arrested 2:26:20.920 --> 2:26:25.199 for illegal magazines, like, none of them have really faced 2:26:25.240 --> 2:26:31.080 any consequences for that. And the general fear among people 2:26:31.080 --> 2:26:35.000 on the left is well, even if I do come 2:26:35.040 --> 2:26:38.320 and I carry for self defense, if I get arrested 2:26:38.320 --> 2:26:44.520 for something unrelated, that will enhance whatever charges I get. Yeah. No, 2:26:44.680 --> 2:26:49.240 it's sketchy and it's Um, I don't I'm not convinced 2:26:49.360 --> 2:26:52.560 in the situation d C is in specifically, that showing 2:26:52.720 --> 2:26:55.879 up with a fucking firearm is the right call. You know, 2:26:56.120 --> 2:26:58.119 I'm not in this business to lecture people, but I'm 2:26:58.120 --> 2:27:01.440 not convinced that's going to help. In the Pacific Northwest, 2:27:01.440 --> 2:27:04.200 we've seen situations where people with weapons, as on the 2:27:04.200 --> 2:27:08.720 twenty two defended themselves and others. And we've seen situations 2:27:08.720 --> 2:27:10.760 in which people on the web with weapons on the 2:27:10.840 --> 2:27:13.600 left escalated things. So it's not a it's never a 2:27:13.680 --> 2:27:15.920 zero sum game, you know, it's not. It's not a 2:27:15.959 --> 2:27:21.200 simple issue. Is a neutral tool, you know. Yeah, And 2:27:21.240 --> 2:27:23.320 I don't want to, like, I don't want it to 2:27:23.360 --> 2:27:26.480 come off like I'm encouraging, you know, every person in 2:27:26.560 --> 2:27:30.600 block to show up with a long gun like that, 2:27:30.760 --> 2:27:34.960 because that would be a fucking disaster most likely. But 2:27:35.120 --> 2:27:39.640 also like, I don't like the idea of, you know, 2:27:39.800 --> 2:27:42.520 looking at a line of Proud Boys or something and 2:27:42.520 --> 2:27:44.920 knowing every single one of these people has a gun, 2:27:45.720 --> 2:27:51.200 and I do not. That's an imbalance of force that 2:27:51.280 --> 2:27:55.120 I don't like when things, if things do escalate. No, 2:27:55.320 --> 2:28:00.360 that that's completely reasonable in my opinion. But I mean, 2:28:00.400 --> 2:28:04.640 I think the big thing is just there's so many unknowns. Uh, 2:28:05.800 --> 2:28:09.800 you know, we've never really there's not much of a 2:28:09.879 --> 2:28:14.160 historical precedent for group tries to overthrow the government, group 2:28:14.240 --> 2:28:19.840 shows back up in d C months later, or elements 2:28:19.920 --> 2:28:24.879 of the same kind of ideology. Yeah, we just don't know. 2:28:24.959 --> 2:28:27.400 I mean, even like I think that Unite the Right 2:28:27.480 --> 2:28:34.480 to example is similar, but also like markedly different enough 2:28:35.400 --> 2:28:39.080 that I don't know if it's an all encompassing tool 2:28:39.240 --> 2:28:42.760 for like this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah, 2:28:42.879 --> 2:28:46.400 is there any like specific players that you know is 2:28:46.400 --> 2:28:48.400 going to show up or or have like said that 2:28:48.400 --> 2:28:52.280 they're going to show up. So one that I kind 2:28:52.280 --> 2:28:56.640 of worry about is, um, oh, I'm gonna get fucking 2:28:56.640 --> 2:29:00.000 tweets for this, God damnit. Um. So there's a group 2:29:00.040 --> 2:29:03.360 in Virginia that you may have heard of, b LM 2:29:03.480 --> 2:29:09.160 seven five seven. Yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah. Uh. 2:29:09.480 --> 2:29:13.879 They are based out of the Virginia Beach area and 2:29:13.920 --> 2:29:17.200 they're the biggest pain in the ass ever um they 2:29:17.280 --> 2:29:21.280 work with. They claim to be a Black Lives Matter organization. 2:29:22.280 --> 2:29:25.840 The local Black Lives Matter organizations have to announced them. 2:29:25.879 --> 2:29:28.640 They work with Boogloo boys. They were very tight with 2:29:28.720 --> 2:29:32.320 Mike Dunn before he uh snitched and roped off the 2:29:32.320 --> 2:29:38.320 face of the earth. Yeah. Um. And then yeah, they 2:29:38.440 --> 2:29:41.760 come and I don't like the idea of them coming 2:29:41.800 --> 2:29:43.960 to a town that is not familiar with them, because 2:29:44.000 --> 2:29:48.240 like they come to Richmond, for example, and people are like, oh, 2:29:48.320 --> 2:29:52.440 there's b l M seven seven. We don't funk with them. 2:29:52.480 --> 2:29:54.360 But they come. You know, they come to a town 2:29:54.720 --> 2:29:56.840 or groups like this like uh n f a C. 2:29:57.040 --> 2:29:59.959 Theyre not not fucking around. Coalition tried to come to 2:30:00.080 --> 2:30:05.680 d C, and I these groups that are gonna be armed, 2:30:05.720 --> 2:30:07.760 are gonna want to escalate and are gonna kind of 2:30:08.520 --> 2:30:13.200 try to slide in to like a counter demo or 2:30:14.520 --> 2:30:18.039 stick around like the more left leaning parts of the crowd, 2:30:18.840 --> 2:30:22.600 and then could very quickly escalate things. So they're one 2:30:22.640 --> 2:30:29.680 that I'm worried about. Some local Virginia Militia Movement players 2:30:30.360 --> 2:30:33.800 have been chatting about it. I haven't seen really that 2:30:33.920 --> 2:30:37.720 much in the way of like definitive statements that they're 2:30:37.720 --> 2:30:41.400 gonna go um and those guys don't really worry me. 2:30:41.959 --> 2:30:44.840 There a bunch of nerds who like to play dress 2:30:44.920 --> 2:30:49.160 up in the woods mostly. But yeah, it's again, it's 2:30:49.200 --> 2:30:52.039 just like these kind of unknowns. Yeah, so just like 2:30:52.160 --> 2:30:53.920 not knowing who's going to show up and what they're 2:30:53.920 --> 2:30:57.640 gonna do and where'll they're be and yeah, yeah, like 2:30:58.720 --> 2:31:02.120 and this was a thing. Definitely. It reminds me a 2:31:02.160 --> 2:31:06.160 lot of the first stop, the Steel Rally, where we 2:31:06.240 --> 2:31:10.760 had more concrete groups saying we're gonna be there. There's 2:31:10.800 --> 2:31:12.720 a lot of more chatter about it on social media, 2:31:12.800 --> 2:31:15.360 but it was still kind of like I don't know 2:31:15.480 --> 2:31:19.120 like what range of the sort of right wing ideological 2:31:19.160 --> 2:31:21.560 spectrum will be here, Like I know, you know Q 2:31:21.760 --> 2:31:23.920 and on your Q and on uncle will be there. 2:31:25.080 --> 2:31:30.680 But like, for example, on November four, uh, Jason Kessler 2:31:30.760 --> 2:31:33.640 was there, the organizer of Unite the Right. I literally 2:31:33.720 --> 2:31:38.720 bumped into Jason Kessler, like I was walking and my 2:31:38.760 --> 2:31:42.200 shoulder hit him and I looked up and I was like, oh, sorry, dude, 2:31:42.280 --> 2:31:45.039 and then I just kind of stopped and I was like, oh, ship, 2:31:46.160 --> 2:31:51.840 I recognize you. Yeah, you're that famous piece of ship. Yeah. 2:31:52.000 --> 2:31:53.840 But yeah, So like it's kind of that same thing 2:31:53.879 --> 2:31:59.920 where we don't we really just don't have that much intel, 2:32:00.040 --> 2:32:03.360 and it seems like, you know, people with access to 2:32:04.400 --> 2:32:07.200 more streams of information than us, like the FEDS have 2:32:07.320 --> 2:32:11.360 been saying for I guess a couple of months now, 2:32:11.480 --> 2:32:17.160 like we're monitoring this situation where like preparing to stop 2:32:17.480 --> 2:32:20.680 another January six, which take it with a grain of salt. 2:32:20.879 --> 2:32:25.560 It is the FEDS, but also like part of me, 2:32:25.840 --> 2:32:28.720 a lot of the worry I get from this is 2:32:28.800 --> 2:32:34.320 people that I know no more than I do, reacting 2:32:34.360 --> 2:32:38.800 to it like chud streamers hiring stringers, FEDS saying like 2:32:38.879 --> 2:32:43.080 announcing months before that it's a situation that they're preparing for. 2:32:44.879 --> 2:32:46.520 A lot of people are very interested in what's going 2:32:46.560 --> 2:32:48.880 to happen. I think people are definitely preparing for a 2:32:48.959 --> 2:32:52.760 lot of different different outcomes, and that makes any kind 2:32:52.760 --> 2:32:55.200 of resistance to it hard because you don't know if 2:32:55.240 --> 2:32:57.960 you're over if you're over preparing, under preparing, You don't 2:32:57.959 --> 2:32:59.920 know if you'll have what you'll do. Your prepary to 2:33:00.000 --> 2:33:03.400 it is too aggressive and not aggressive enough. Yeah, yeah, 2:33:03.560 --> 2:33:05.560 and always trying to like you know, feel it out 2:33:05.640 --> 2:33:08.280 once you're there is more scary because once you're there 2:33:08.280 --> 2:33:12.160 in person, a lot of communications breakdown between other you know, 2:33:12.200 --> 2:33:14.200 other activists that that's what happened in like the last 2:33:14.200 --> 2:33:17.040 big rally in Portland is people try to know change 2:33:17.080 --> 2:33:19.280 up plans once they got to the spot, and it 2:33:19.360 --> 2:33:22.039 kind of made everything a lot a lot more challenging 2:33:22.040 --> 2:33:23.640 because it's hard to a lot of a lot of 2:33:23.640 --> 2:33:26.000 people in block don't have their phone on them. It's 2:33:26.000 --> 2:33:27.880 just it's hard to get ride. It's you know, any 2:33:27.920 --> 2:33:30.720 kind of any kind of impromptu organizing at the site. 2:33:30.920 --> 2:33:33.200 It's always gonna be way more challenged than trying to 2:33:33.200 --> 2:33:36.200 figure this stuff out at home. And yeah, that's just 2:33:36.280 --> 2:33:38.879 kind of I don't know, it's it's I think I 2:33:38.879 --> 2:33:42.400 think the United the right to background is useful for 2:33:42.480 --> 2:33:45.960 like a big event after you know, a previous event 2:33:46.080 --> 2:33:48.400 that had a lot of coverage and had a lot 2:33:48.400 --> 2:33:51.240 of talk about it because it had, you know, a 2:33:51.280 --> 2:33:54.120 disastrous outcome. And then I think looking at you know, 2:33:54.680 --> 2:33:58.640 looking at November fourteen in December ten, um are also 2:33:58.959 --> 2:34:01.960 are also kind of val able indicators. Has there been 2:34:01.959 --> 2:34:04.800 any have you seen anything around the grapers or like 2:34:04.800 --> 2:34:08.040 any of the Fuentes crew showing up to this or 2:34:08.080 --> 2:34:09.920 they are they trying to just are they are they 2:34:09.920 --> 2:34:13.840 trying to like keep good optics? I guess I've as 2:34:13.840 --> 2:34:16.440 far as I've seen, they're mostly trying to keep good 2:34:16.440 --> 2:34:20.959 optics around us. Um they as they also kind of 2:34:20.959 --> 2:34:25.000 fall into the category of like people I'm not super 2:34:25.040 --> 2:34:30.800 worried about like some of them. Yeah, but in like 2:34:30.840 --> 2:34:33.600 a street fight situation, in a street fight less so 2:34:34.320 --> 2:34:39.360 I'm not worried about a groper. Yeah, the most violent 2:34:39.440 --> 2:34:42.000 encounter I've ever had with a groper was one that 2:34:42.080 --> 2:34:45.800 was probably five ft tall. Following me around and calling 2:34:45.800 --> 2:34:48.240 me a soy boy for thirty minutes. Yeah. But what 2:34:48.280 --> 2:34:50.400 I'm more concerned about is is Graper is kind of 2:34:50.440 --> 2:34:55.560 following the in CeAl terrorism tradition of you know, skinny 2:34:55.600 --> 2:34:58.480 of skinny white guys getting access to weapons and than 2:34:58.720 --> 2:35:03.520 than doing something uh not with the gun is dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, 2:35:03.760 --> 2:35:09.160 and they're not going yeah here finished what you were saying. Yeah, 2:35:09.160 --> 2:35:11.840 I'm just saying, like, you know, all all of the 2:35:11.840 --> 2:35:13.640 Grapers I've seen, they're not going to beat me in 2:35:13.680 --> 2:35:17.400 a fist fight because they're all even even more they're 2:35:17.480 --> 2:35:21.000 not even more like because your fastest ship. But yeah, 2:35:21.040 --> 2:35:24.480 and and that and that. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's 2:35:24.520 --> 2:35:28.120 kind of another thing that's you know, it's always a 2:35:28.120 --> 2:35:31.440 possibility of these things. Like I always say, like the 2:35:31.480 --> 2:35:35.400 worst possible outcome is someone someone starts shooting, like a 2:35:35.480 --> 2:35:38.680 firefight is always the worst way this could go. But 2:35:39.280 --> 2:35:46.160 with the sort of optics surrounding this, I I think 2:35:46.240 --> 2:35:54.520 there's definitely space for more extreme people, uh specifically more 2:35:54.560 --> 2:35:59.480 accelerationist minded people to try to start something, to try 2:35:59.520 --> 2:36:02.720 to cause ship. I mean, uh, like I said, I'm 2:36:02.760 --> 2:36:08.840 in Virginia. I think of the Richmond gun rally in 2:36:09.080 --> 2:36:14.680 the lobby day in what was that twenty nineteen beginning 2:36:14.720 --> 2:36:19.640 of I Forget all Time is a flat circle to 2:36:19.720 --> 2:36:22.840 me now, but um, the members of the base that 2:36:22.879 --> 2:36:26.960 we're intercepted on their way to Richmond. Uh. I think 2:36:27.000 --> 2:36:33.720 about that situation and how other people and other groups 2:36:34.360 --> 2:36:39.520 that we will not talk about on POD could see 2:36:39.520 --> 2:36:42.560 an opportunity here. Yeah, And I think that's I think 2:36:42.600 --> 2:36:45.480 that's more likely happening in somewhere like DC than it 2:36:45.600 --> 2:36:47.640 is in Portland's right, because in Portland we have a 2:36:47.640 --> 2:36:51.720 pretty good grip on who shows up and why they 2:36:51.760 --> 2:36:57.480 show up. The East coast, the south, um, northeast, Southeast, 2:36:57.760 --> 2:37:01.240 they have a lot more groups with interested with you know, 2:37:01.320 --> 2:37:05.320 obscure ideologies that are more think more prone to those 2:37:05.360 --> 2:37:08.879 types of to those types of like um, more insurgent attacks. 2:37:08.879 --> 2:37:11.800 And I think people are on the West coast. Yeah. 2:37:11.840 --> 2:37:14.960 And I think another thing that kind of amplifies that is, 2:37:15.720 --> 2:37:20.360 like you said, like Portland has kind of an established 2:37:20.440 --> 2:37:28.320 infrastructure of chud fuckery, you know. I mean, I'm on 2:37:28.360 --> 2:37:30.520 the other side of the country and I know the 2:37:30.600 --> 2:37:36.879 familiar faces of Portland's bullshit, and we we do have 2:37:36.959 --> 2:37:40.959 that to an extent, but d C brings people from 2:37:41.000 --> 2:37:44.800 all across the country. I was meeting people on the 2:37:44.840 --> 2:37:51.200 metro from everywhere from Tennessee to Kansas to California. And 2:37:51.280 --> 2:37:54.800 when people are coming in from such a broad range 2:37:54.800 --> 2:38:00.800 of places, there's a lot more uncertainty. Yeah, well, I'm 2:38:00.800 --> 2:38:03.360 not sure and anything else you want to mention about 2:38:03.440 --> 2:38:05.720 kind of what you expect at this rally and any 2:38:05.760 --> 2:38:08.000 I don't know general advice has since you've been at 2:38:08.000 --> 2:38:11.840 the past three versions. Yeah, so, I mean, if you're 2:38:12.160 --> 2:38:16.400 in the DC area or you're nearby, and you're comfortable 2:38:16.440 --> 2:38:22.880 with it and physically able to do so, I show up. Um. 2:38:23.080 --> 2:38:26.199 The one thing that we do know for sure about 2:38:26.240 --> 2:38:31.000 these events is that the more bodies we have, the 2:38:31.200 --> 2:38:34.960 less likely it is for people to be able to 2:38:35.000 --> 2:38:40.560 pray on someone walking home from work or houseless person 2:38:40.720 --> 2:38:45.160 just trying to sleep. Yeah, the more bodies that we have, 2:38:45.320 --> 2:38:50.640 the better it is. Um. If you are either unable 2:38:50.720 --> 2:38:54.800 to come or you don't feel comfortable coming, I know 2:38:54.959 --> 2:39:00.000 that there will be jail support mutual aid efforts UH 2:39:00.080 --> 2:39:03.280 and Garrison. I can send you to some links to 2:39:03.440 --> 2:39:07.600 local d C orgs if you want to throw it 2:39:07.600 --> 2:39:13.000 in the show. Notes. Um. But yeah, just and if 2:39:13.040 --> 2:39:18.279 you're gonna go, be prepared, have have a buddy, uh 2:39:18.480 --> 2:39:23.120 lock up, bring h bringing I FAK, and get ready 2:39:23.200 --> 2:39:26.440 to party. Yeah. I think that's one of the things 2:39:26.440 --> 2:39:29.520 you mentioned is like more numbers helps in the case 2:39:29.640 --> 2:39:33.320 of it's less likely they'll be like roaming attacks, because 2:39:33.320 --> 2:39:35.320 that's what we've seen at a lot of these rallies 2:39:35.360 --> 2:39:38.959 is that sometimes they don't ever like actually cause trouble 2:39:39.200 --> 2:39:41.840 at where people are, you know, like where the where 2:39:41.840 --> 2:39:44.320 the people are. They wait until people are walking away 2:39:44.400 --> 2:39:46.600 or going back to their car, or if there's no 2:39:46.600 --> 2:39:48.840 one like that, they just find some random person on 2:39:48.879 --> 2:39:50.400 the street. You know. We saw a lot of that 2:39:50.440 --> 2:39:53.560 in d C of of Proud Boys just finding kind 2:39:53.560 --> 2:39:55.959 of people in the area that they thought looked like 2:39:56.040 --> 2:40:00.160 Antifa quote unquote and then just attacking them. Um. So know, 2:40:00.400 --> 2:40:04.240 the less scattered people are, um, the less likely to 2:40:04.360 --> 2:40:09.000 get kind of those roaming attacks. Yeah, I think. I mean, 2:40:09.080 --> 2:40:10.720 it's it's always hard to speculate on the event on 2:40:10.720 --> 2:40:13.959 an event that hasn't happened yet, but I believe by 2:40:14.000 --> 2:40:16.080 the time, by the time the airs, it will be 2:40:16.160 --> 2:40:20.240 happening tomorrow. So as Saturday, THEO do you want to 2:40:20.240 --> 2:40:24.520 plug anything? Yeah, you can find me on Twitter. Um 2:40:24.560 --> 2:40:29.280 at THEO Hansen, THEO with a zero. Uh. Listen to 2:40:29.360 --> 2:40:35.680 my podcast Terrorism Bad. We look through portrayals of terrorism 2:40:35.879 --> 2:40:39.120 and extremism in popular media. See how it holds up 2:40:39.160 --> 2:40:43.199 to the real world. Um, trying to think of anything else. 2:40:43.480 --> 2:40:46.360 I'll be there on Saturday. I'll be live tweeting the event. 2:40:47.320 --> 2:40:52.920 I'm not live tweeting that dead or otherwise incapacitated or 2:40:52.959 --> 2:40:56.560 I don't have cell service. Service is always horrible at 2:40:56.560 --> 2:41:00.720 these things. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, it's a constant problem. Yeah. 2:41:00.800 --> 2:41:04.400 They were blocking signals on January six on the Capitol lawn, 2:41:04.400 --> 2:41:07.280 and when I stepped off, I had like thirteen texts 2:41:07.320 --> 2:41:09.360 from all my friends that were like, hey, text me 2:41:09.440 --> 2:41:13.280 if you're still alive. It's really hard to tell what's 2:41:13.280 --> 2:41:15.960 going on, you know, when you're when you're like whether 2:41:16.040 --> 2:41:18.040 or not it's like a cell signal problem, or if 2:41:18.040 --> 2:41:22.760 it's somebody like targeting you in particular, it's frustrating. Yeah, 2:41:23.160 --> 2:41:25.920 all right, well, thank you, cl thank you for giving 2:41:26.000 --> 2:41:31.039 us the rundown on Saturday's activities. UM, I hope you 2:41:31.040 --> 2:41:33.640 don't get shot, Thank you. I hope I do not 2:41:33.720 --> 2:41:37.279 as well. That's my general feeling towards anyone who shows 2:41:37.400 --> 2:41:40.920 up on uh, you know, on the eighteenth in d C. 2:41:41.240 --> 2:41:44.920 I hope you don't get shot. Do your best. Yeah, 2:41:44.959 --> 2:41:46.959 and if you do get shot, you know what to 2:41:47.000 --> 2:41:50.160 do about it? Well? Yeah, I have a have a 2:41:49.640 --> 2:41:54.680 have a care a minute, you know, have some cell locks. Yeah, 2:41:54.800 --> 2:41:58.280 that's ideal, But not getting shot is better. So you 2:41:58.320 --> 2:42:02.520 cannot remember what Try not to get shot, all right. 2:42:02.640 --> 2:42:05.360 Thanks for having me on guys. Nice to meet you, 2:42:05.520 --> 2:42:10.080 Robert and Sophie. Thanks to meet you. You can follow 2:42:10.200 --> 2:42:12.640 us That Happened Here pod on Twitter, Instagram and at 2:42:12.640 --> 2:42:14.440 cool Zone Media for all the things and we'll be 2:42:14.520 --> 2:42:22.400 back Monday. 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