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Speaker 1: Organizers of the recall campaign submitted two point one million

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Speaker 1: that you're in fall, the heat has become manageable. In

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Speaker 1: the Bay area, at least, staying with your brother has

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Speaker 1: been actually really nice. The first few showers felt like luxury.

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Speaker 1: Recently he's had less of a good time. He found

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Speaker 1: year started. He told me. Over fifteen thousand other teachers

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Speaker 1: have been fired as a part of the governor's new

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Speaker 1: reform schools program. The teacher's union is fighting it, but

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Speaker 1: your brother isn't too optimistic of regarding the outcome. He's

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Speaker 1: been looking for new work, and meanwhile, you've gotten a

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Speaker 1: shitty retail job to help with bills while you decide

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Speaker 1: on what hospitals you want to apply to. You don't

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Speaker 1: really miss your old MS job in Redwood Valley. When

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Speaker 1: you finally do get back into medical care, you really

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Speaker 1: prefer something in a hospital clinic setting as opposed to

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Speaker 1: the extra stress inherent in emergency services. The one chance

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Speaker 1: you have had to use your medical skills since moving

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Speaker 1: was during the fires last September and October back up north.

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Speaker 1: They got really bad and hundreds of thousands of people evacuated.

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Speaker 1: Down south. Some old activist friends of yours from college

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Speaker 1: made their own fire relief slash mutual aid set up

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Speaker 1: to give out clothes and food and to help people

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Speaker 1: displaced by the fires. You haven't talked much with your

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Speaker 1: old college buddies in the past few years, but upon

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Speaker 1: hearing of the relief effort, you happily offered up your

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Speaker 1: skills to help with minor medical issues in a smell

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Speaker 1: medic tent they set up. It was the first time

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Speaker 1: you've helped with anything related to protests organizing since he

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Speaker 1: moved up to Redwood Valley ten years ago. It was

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Speaker 1: oddly refreshing. Politics hasn't been a major part of your

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Speaker 1: life since college, But speaking of politics, midterms are finally

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Speaker 1: this month. The past year has felt like it stretched

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Speaker 1: on forever. Your brother and his union buddies have been

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Speaker 1: doing canvassing for a few progressive city council candidates that

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Speaker 1: might actually get a shot at getting in. You haven't

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Speaker 1: had time to adjust to San Francisco's local political scene,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, you're not sure if you really care to.

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Speaker 1: You have been keeping half an eye on the big

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Speaker 1: state electoral races, though, which feels kind of weird. You

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Speaker 1: know there's no way the Republican government will get reelected,

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Speaker 1: not here in California. One thing that has gotten you're

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Speaker 1: worried is the weekly anti election fraud rallies that have

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Speaker 1: been happening in l A ever since October. The governor,

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00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: surrounded by state troopers, has made it down himself a

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Speaker 1: few times to drop up support from his fan base,

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Speaker 1: and after the rallies, roving gangs of far right extremists

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Speaker 1: have gone around randomly attacking homeless encampments. You heard that

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Speaker 1: just last week after a Sunday rally, three people had

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Speaker 1: to be rushed to the emergency room. It's now just

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Speaker 1: a week before election day. You're on the bus home

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Speaker 1: from your job at the vintage clothing store when you

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Speaker 1: Knowledge Mutual Aid buddies you met up with again during

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Speaker 1: the fire relief effort. The message reads, hey, are you free?

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Speaker 1: On election Day. You hadn't really thought about the day itself,

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Speaker 1: you respond, maybe nothing really planned yet. Your friend replies

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Speaker 1: with a fat wall of text. My affinity group and

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Speaker 1: I are heading down to l A on Tuesday. There's

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Speaker 1: a big stop, the Steel type rally happening, and where

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Speaker 1: it is, lots of proud Boys are gonna show up.

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Speaker 1: Comrades in l A have put out some calls for support,

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Speaker 1: so my crew is going to go down and probably

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Speaker 1: bring some medical stuff. If you want to come, we

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Speaker 1: got an extra seat in the van. The thought of

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Speaker 1: driving down to Los Angeles to deal with proud boys

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00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: doesn't excite you, especially on an already stressful day. You

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00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: think about it for a few minutes, images of the

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00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: people maimed during and after the recent rallies floods your mind.

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Speaker 1: Your buddies no more about organizing and protests than you do,

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Speaker 1: But you have more medical training. You side, You'll do it,

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00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: You reply, I'll come with and pack some extra iffects

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00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: and tourniquets. Among the issues of Republican recall, challengers have

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Speaker 1: raised to attack NEWSOM force mismanagement has leomed large among

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Speaker 1: the recent complaints. This type of thing hearkens back to

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Speaker 1: Trump's old habit of blaming the governor and not raking

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Speaker 1: enough leaves for California's fiery plight. On a larger scale,

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Speaker 1: this can be seen as part of an effort to

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Speaker 1: push all the blame of wildfires off of oil gas

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Speaker 1: and our transformation of the climate and onto a simple

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Speaker 1: lack of fire prevention measures. This narrative, of course, makes

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Speaker 1: the fossil fuel industry more happy. The thing is, all

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00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: of these things are contributing factors for California's wildfire problem.

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Speaker 1: Climate changed caused hotter temperatures and droughts makes fires easier

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Speaker 1: to catch and spread, and inadequate force management, plus above

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Speaker 1: ground power lines do the same. Just because there are

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Speaker 1: bad faith attacks on Newsom doesn't mean there aren't actual

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Speaker 1: failures he's made as governor, especially in relation to the forests.

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Speaker 1: An investigation from CAP Radio and California MPR published last

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Speaker 1: June found out Newsom had grossly misrepresented and fled out

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Speaker 1: lied about his promises of new wildfire prevention efforts. Elements

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Speaker 1: of the piece were of course used by Larry Elder

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Speaker 1: and the Right to push for support of the recall,

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Speaker 1: but the article itself is a very fine piece of journalism.

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Speaker 1: Back when Newsom first took office in January twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: one of the first things he did was signed on

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Speaker 1: the executive Order overhauling how California handles wildfire prevention and

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Speaker 1: forest management. The measures included removal of hazardous dead trees,

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Speaker 1: vegetation clearing, creation of fuel breaks and community defensible spaces,

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Speaker 1: and creation of ingress and egress corridors. In January twenty,

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Speaker 1: a year after Newsom's initial announcement, the Governor's often claimed

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Speaker 1: in a press release that under the executive Orders priority projects,

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Speaker 1: ninety thousand acres got treated with these fire prevention measures,

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Speaker 1: But according to data attained by cap Radio and MPR,

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Speaker 1: the actual number of acres treated by these priority projects

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Speaker 1: was only eleven thousand, three hundred and ninety nine, just

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Speaker 1: thirteen percent of the number Newsome boasted about, quoting the

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Speaker 1: piece by cap Radio quote, data shows cal Fire's fuel

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Speaker 1: reduction output dropped by half and twenty twenty two, levels

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Speaker 1: below Governor Jerry Brown's final year in office. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, Newsom slashed roughly one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars from cow Fire's wildfire prevention budget. In four point

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Speaker 1: three million acres burned, the most in California's recorded history.

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Speaker 1: That was more than double the previous record set in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, when the camp fire destroyed the town of Paradise,

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Speaker 1: ultimately killing eighty five people. A decade ago, cal Fire

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Speaker 1: was treating a poultry seventeen thousand acres annually. That number

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Speaker 1: has steadily climbed, though Newsom misrepresented the number of acres

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Speaker 1: treated in his priority projects. The overall amount of wildfire

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Speaker 1: mitigation work carried out by CalFire spiked in his first

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Speaker 1: year of office to sixty four thousand acres, but in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, fuel reduction totals plummeted to less than thirty

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Speaker 1: two thousand acres, a roughly fifty percent drop unquote. Multiple

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Speaker 1: factors contributed to twenty twenties subpar fire prevention and reduction efforts.

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Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, the year with the large number of

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Speaker 1: acres treated in recent history, the state budget allotted for

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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty five million dollars for wildfire prevention

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Speaker 1: and resource management, but after the COVID nineteen pandemic hit

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Speaker 1: California in early twenty Newsom cut the budget by down

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Speaker 1: to two hundred and three million on top of the

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Speaker 1: budget cuts, The fires themselves made prevention work more challenging.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenties, wildfire season started out early, which resulted in

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Speaker 1: less time to do prescribed burns and thinnings because the

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Speaker 1: same teams that are tasked with prevention and fuel reduction

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Speaker 1: often also serve as firefighters once the fires break out.

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Speaker 1: As of Mae, cal Fire has treated over twenty three

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Speaker 1: tho acres throughout the year. This puts California on a

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Speaker 1: trajectory better than last year's total, but not as high

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Speaker 1: as the sixty thousand plus acres treated in Newsom has

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Speaker 1: been trying to make up for his missteps and gross exaggerations.

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Speaker 1: Quoting the Cap Radio report again quote, Newsom is trying

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Speaker 1: to play catch up with the state enjoying an unexpected surplus.

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Speaker 1: Newsome proposed two billion in spending on wildfires and emergency preparedness,

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Speaker 1: with one point two billion going towards wildfire resiliency in

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Speaker 1: the upcoming budget. Experts say the increase in prevention spending

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Speaker 1: could help the state get closer to a less dangerous

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Speaker 1: wildfire season over time, but they also expressed concern over

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Speaker 1: whether the state will sustain that commitment for years to

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Speaker 1: come unquote. Revelations about Newsom's and cow fires lies and

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Speaker 1: lackluster force management were quickly jumped on by Larry Elder

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Speaker 1: and other Republican challengers as an easy way to attack

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Speaker 1: Newsom and to move the conversation about wildfires away from

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Speaker 1: climate change. Elder has said he has quot unquote no

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Speaker 1: idea why more prevention and reduction measures aren't being done,

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Speaker 1: and when he becomes governor, he'll be quote implementing these

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Speaker 1: common sensical kinds of plans so that we can reduce

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Speaker 1: the severity of these fires unquote. Elder has given no

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Speaker 1: concrete plans on what measures he'll be shooting to implement,

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Speaker 1: or any indication on how much money will be directed

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Speaker 1: to prevent or fight fires. On the noted budgets. Elder

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Speaker 1: has said that the more recent spending on wind and

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Speaker 1: solar power has left quote less money for removing trees

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Speaker 1: and putting power lines underground, the kind of things that

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Speaker 1: would make these fires less intense unquote, and he promises

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Speaker 1: to drastically cut spending unrenew wibles while also investing more

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Speaker 1: in oil and gas. To be clear, Newsom's upcoming budget

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Speaker 1: contains billions for both fire prevention, slash fuel reduction, and

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Speaker 1: renewable energy such as wind and solar. Whoever ends up

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Speaker 1: governing California is not only in charge of local politics.

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Speaker 1: Like governors at other states. What happens in California affects

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Speaker 1: people across the country and even globally, whether that's wildfire

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Speaker 1: smoke traveling across continents or changes to supply chains and

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Speaker 1: industry rippling across the world. California is, after all, the

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Speaker 1: world's fifth largest economy. There are also political ramifications that

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Speaker 1: could affect the States as a whole if Elder gets

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Speaker 1: in office. The Senate is currently a fifty fifty split

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Speaker 1: between Republicans and Democrats, with Vice President Kamala Harris getting

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Speaker 1: the tie breaking vote. One of California senators is eighty

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Speaker 1: eight year old Diane Feinstein, the oldest active Senator. If

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Speaker 1: she dies in off or has to step down due

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Speaker 1: to medical reasons before her term is over, the governor

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Speaker 1: of California gets to appoint her replacement. If Elder appoints

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Speaker 1: a Republican, then the Senate will be back under Geop

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Speaker 1: control and give it his connections to the far right

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Speaker 1: media sphere. The list of potentials that Elder could appoint

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Speaker 1: is frightening. This is by no means inevitable even if

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Speaker 1: Elder gets into office. If he does, Finstein does have

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Speaker 1: the brief opportunity to step down and put a replacement

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Speaker 1: in before the new governor has sworn into office. However,

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Speaker 1: Feinstein has said she has no plans of doing so.

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Speaker 1: Reports of her declining health have become only more common

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Speaker 1: in recent years, but like many politicians and judges, she's

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Speaker 1: not keen on stepping aside, even to possibly help prevent

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Speaker 1: a disastrous outcome. Changes in the Senate are not required

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Speaker 1: for horrible outcomes. In the wake of an even brief

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Speaker 1: Elder governorship, his anti vax sentiments and planned to open

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Speaker 1: up the state and remove basically all COVID restrictions will

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Speaker 1: result in hospitals being pushed to max capacity. Elder has

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Speaker 1: said he has plans to appoint education officials similar to

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Speaker 1: former Secretary Betsy Devas, and judicial appointees like Conservative Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Elder has stated his intention of

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Speaker 1: declaring states of emergency and using executive orders to push

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Speaker 1: through otherwise unpopular legislation. He has discussed plans to declare

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Speaker 1: an education emergency in order to fire upwards of twenty

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Speaker 1: one quote unquote bad teachers. Elder blames teacher unions for

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Speaker 1: quote protecting bad teachers, and in a recent interview stated,

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Speaker 1: quote someone told me that between five percent and seven

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Speaker 1: percent of public school teachers need to be fired. An

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Speaker 1: emergency declaration would give the power to get rid of

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Speaker 1: bad teachers faster than the system allows. Once you did that, automatically,

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Speaker 1: education would improve overnight unquote. Now, Elder is not specified

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Speaker 1: who had advised him on teacher terminations or how he

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Speaker 1: plans to weed out the so called bad teachers out

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Speaker 1: of the three thousand in the school system. He's also

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Speaker 1: touted plans to declare a homeless emergency, but his solutions

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Speaker 1: have nothing to do with actually helping homeless people. His

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Speaker 1: homeless emergency declaration would allow him to suspend the California

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Speaker 1: Environmental Quality Act, the long requiring environmental review of building projects.

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Speaker 1: Elders stated goal is to unleash developers and contractors without

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Speaker 1: environmental regulation, which he claims to quote trees developers and

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00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: contractors like criminals unquote, and allows building projects to get

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Speaker 1: suspended indefinitely, ultimately raising the cost of housing. In his opinion,

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Speaker 1: one of the more frightening aspects of Larry Elder is

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Speaker 1: his close ties to many far right propagandists. He's done

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Speaker 1: work for Praker You Epic times, and has been a

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Speaker 1: guest on Fox News at least two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: times in the past five years. In the last episode,

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Speaker 1: we discussed his friendship with Dennis Prager. Also, Dave Reuben

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Speaker 1: just recently campaigned for Elder at a recent rally, and

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Speaker 1: a month and a half ago, Elder was on Candice

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Speaker 1: Owens show discussing how the descendants of slave owners deserve

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Speaker 1: reparations for having their property i e. Black people stolen

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Speaker 1: from them when the slaves were freed. Those are his words,

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Speaker 1: not mine. What's probably most concerning is Elder's connection to

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller. In fact, we wouldn't have Stephen Miller if

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Speaker 1: it were not for Larry Elder. Back in the late nineties,

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Speaker 1: a conservative student from Santa Monica High School would call

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Speaker 1: into Larry Elder's show to rant about his school's liberal culture. Reportedly,

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Speaker 1: the student would go around demanding staff and fellow students

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Speaker 1: regularly recite the Pledge of Allegiance. He railed against condom

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Speaker 1: giveaways and called Spanish language announcements quote a crutch preventing

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Speaker 1: Spanish speakers from standing on their own unquote. Young Californians

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Speaker 1: calling into Elder's show and agreeing with him wasn't very common,

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Speaker 1: and Elder ate it up. He loved talking with the

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Speaker 1: student so much that he let the kid on basically

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Speaker 1: any time he wanted a platform to rant and rave.

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Speaker 1: You know where this is going. That student was Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 1: According to Miller, he appeared on Elder's show sixty nine

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Speaker 1: times throughout his time in high school and university, and

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Speaker 1: calls Elder quote the one true guide I've always had unquote.

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Speaker 1: Miller's appearances on Elder's radio show made him a recognizable

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Speaker 1: figure in the larger conservative media world, helping him connect

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Speaker 1: with Steve Bannon and eventually President Trump. By extension, Elder

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Speaker 1: was Stephen Miller's on ramp to the White House. In

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Speaker 1: an email to Miller in Elder told him quote, I

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Speaker 1: hope to live to see the day when you become president.

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Speaker 1: When media has brought up his friendship with Stephen Miller,

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Speaker 1: Elder tries very quickly to change the subject when pushed

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Speaker 1: on the topic. In an interview, Elder shot back with quote,

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Speaker 1: why would you bring up Stephen Miller? I'm just wondering

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Speaker 1: what the agenda here is. What's the point, am I

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Speaker 1: somehow what a Nazi? A fascist? Unquote? I think that

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Speaker 1: says enough. The reason we haven't discussed the other candidates

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Speaker 1: in the recall election is because at this point, if

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Speaker 1: Newsom is recalled, it's absolutely certain that Elder will be

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Speaker 1: the one to succeed him. He has a twenty point

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Speaker 1: lead ahead other challengers, but that lead is still only

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00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: a tiny fraction of the total electorate, which demonstrates the

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Speaker 1: part of the problem in California's recall process. There are

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Speaker 1: other Republican challengers with concerning pasts and beliefs, lots of

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Speaker 1: anti mask, anti trans, anti VAXX, total disbelief, and climate

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Speaker 1: change people spouting q and on originated conspiracy claims advocating

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Speaker 1: the lie that the presidential election was stolen. And there's

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Speaker 1: even a Democrat challenger that plans to use the National

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Speaker 1: Guard to round up all homeless people and put them

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Speaker 1: in concentratetion camps. But Elder himself shares a lot of

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Speaker 1: those views and uses the fact that he's black as

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Speaker 1: a shield for criticism against his racist and nationalist policies

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Speaker 1: and ideas. We haven't even mentioned that. Last month Elder's

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Speaker 1: x fiance came out and said that Elder was extremely

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Speaker 1: abusive and had threatened her with a loaded gun. In

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Speaker 1: early August, polls were showing pretty much a neck and

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Speaker 1: neck for the first question on the ballot, yes or

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Speaker 1: no on the recall itself. A Survey USA pull from

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Speaker 1: that time even had respondents vote no on the recall

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Speaker 1: and fifty one percent vote yes to remove Newsom. Throughout

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Speaker 1: August and September, results started to flip the other direction

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Speaker 1: as ads against the recall hit the airwaves and internet.

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Speaker 1: The latest Survey USA poll has fifty focent voting no

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Speaker 1: one the recall and voting yes. Other polls hover around

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Speaker 1: the same ten to fifteen point lead for Newsome staying

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Speaker 1: in office. Now, with poles not going the way Elder

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Speaker 1: in the GOP would like, we're starting to see a new,

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Speaker 1: get familiar narrative being prepared on on my on my website,

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Speaker 1: elect Elder dot com. We have voter Integrity Project. We

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Speaker 1: have lawyers all set up, all ready to go to

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Speaker 1: foul lawsuits. In a timely fashion. The reason the lawsuits

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Speaker 1: did not did not work in the election. We know

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Speaker 1: what happened there is because the lawsuits were filed too

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00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: late and many of them were dismissed one procedural grounds.

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Speaker 1: Of course, don't like to overturn an election. So when

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Speaker 1: did you hear of anything suspicious? We've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that have been suspicious so far. Go to

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Speaker 1: elect Elder dot com. We're gonna sick our lawyers on them,

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00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: foul lawsuits right away. They're gonna cheat. We know that.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what? So many people are angry

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Speaker 1: about the crime, about the homelessness, about the way he

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Speaker 1: shut down this state, about the fact that one third

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Speaker 1: of all small businesses, many of them are owned by

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Speaker 1: black and brown and Asian American people that they hear about,

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Speaker 1: but the declining call of the schools, about the fact

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Speaker 1: that people are leaving, rolling brownouts, lack of water. So

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00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: many people are angry. The number of people that are

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Speaker 1: gonna to recall this man's going to be so overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: So then even when they cheat, they're still gonna lose.

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Speaker 1: That's Larry Elder saying that if he doesn't win, that

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Speaker 1: means the election must have been stolen. Fox News has

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00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: been promoting the same idea the past month. All of

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00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: it is in the vein of the stop the Steel

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Speaker 1: movement post presidential election, culminating with the attempted insurrection on

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Speaker 1: January six. Here's Elder again on Fox News in early September.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, I am concerned about voter fraud, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking people to go to elect Elder

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's my website. We have a voter integrity

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00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: project set up with a bunch of lawyers ready to

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00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: foul lawsuits if anybody sees anything suspicious. Big election fraud

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00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: conspiracy proponent and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was one

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Speaker 1: of the first people to chime in to stoke disinformation

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Speaker 1: about the recall election. And I think this may well

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Speaker 1: be the most rigged stay wide election we've seen probably

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Speaker 1: at least a half century. And I think people should

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00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: look carefully of this because it's pretty good evidence that

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00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: if Newsom is in a straight, honest count, he probably

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Speaker 1: has a good chance of losing. But if they can

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Speaker 1: stuff every batto on box in California and they can

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Speaker 1: cheat in every way possible, and of course this type

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00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: of propaganda has made it onto the most watched cable

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Speaker 1: news show on air, Tucker Carlson, California does not get

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Speaker 1: the credit it deserves for the corruption that's endemic there.

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Speaker 1: It's a one party state and they act like it.

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Speaker 1: And You've got to have concerns about whether this recall

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Speaker 1: election will be free and fair. Are you concerned, Well,

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Speaker 1: of course I'm concerned, Tucker. I'm involved in election integrity

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Speaker 1: efforts throughout the United States, and I'm also a member

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Speaker 1: of the Republican National Committee. So we have a team

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Speaker 1: of lawyers that is ready to deploy throughout the state

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Speaker 1: here and we are monitoring things every single day. Just

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Speaker 1: a couple of hours ago, I filed a lawsuit to

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Speaker 1: intervene in a challenge to the constitutionality of the recall

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00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: statute because, frankly, I don't trust the Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: or the Attorney General, who are both appointed by the governor,

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Speaker 1: to defend him in this regard, and so we are

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Speaker 1: going to be jumping on every potential opportunity to do

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Speaker 1: that and fight back against the Democrats. Of course, they

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Speaker 1: are playing fast and lews. We've seen some very alarming

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Speaker 1: scenes of three D ballots bundled together in the car

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Speaker 1: of a person with a gun and some drugs, and

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Speaker 1: so we are definitely looking into all of these issues.

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Speaker 1: But Tucker, ultimately it's going to come down to how

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Speaker 1: much do people want to change in California. And I

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Speaker 1: can tell you even living in my latte sipping avocado toast, eating,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lululemon wearing neighborhood in San Francisco, people are

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00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: fed up with the crime, the drugs, the homelessness, the

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Speaker 1: intermittent electricity, and everything else that is wrong with California.

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00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: So people want to change here. It's just not working.

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Speaker 1: And this really is a test of whether our system works.

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00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: I mean, can people get better leadership? That's kind of

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Speaker 1: the question. Will there be election observers on the scene

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Speaker 1: so the rest of us can know this was fair? Well,

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00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: the problem in California is that the voting doesn't just

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Speaker 1: take place on election day like it would in a

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Speaker 1: normal place. It takes it's taking place now on a

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Speaker 1: rolling basis through mail in voting. It's a hard to

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Speaker 1: percent mail in ballots this time around, and it is

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Speaker 1: going to take place for thirty days after the election

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Speaker 1: if it's close, because they have thirty days to count

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Speaker 1: the vote. That's sixty days of voting, and of course

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Speaker 1: a lot of shenanigans can occur and ballots can disappear,

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Speaker 1: So we are going to be observing it very closely

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Speaker 1: and demanding accountability and filing lawsuits wherever we need to

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Speaker 1: to hold the Democrats accountable because we cannot trust them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope. So people want to believe the system works,

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Speaker 1: A lot of what's said in that last clip is

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Speaker 1: welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. I

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Speaker 1: stemming from far right propagandists and people in that kind

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Speaker 1: into two sections, so part one is coming out today,

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Speaker 1: Part two is coming out tomorrow. Highly recommend you listen

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Speaker 1: to both, maybe maybe even back to back at some

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Speaker 1: um view of what we were talking about. So, without

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Speaker 1: further ado, here is my discussion with I kind of know, well,

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Speaker 1: not not a dozen, but of a lot a large

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Speaker 1: amount of terrorism researchers. As we are all uh in

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Speaker 1: the woods. As you will soon find out, welcome token

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Speaker 1: happened here the Daily Show. I am Garrison Davis, and

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Speaker 1: I am recording in an undisclosed location in the woods.

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Speaker 1: Um we are me and a few a few internet

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Speaker 1: colleagues are all hiding from the world for a week

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Speaker 1: a group of people here who are all well research

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Speaker 1: the bad thing online a lot. So I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: have this nice discussion for you guys. But yeah, specifically

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Speaker 1: how each of us has an you know, quote unquote

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Speaker 1: impacting extremism and terrorism in the next in the next

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Speaker 1: few decades. Um. And yes, we are recording in the force.

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Speaker 1: So if you hear sounds like we're in the forest,

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Speaker 1: that's because we are. Um. You you guys already know me,

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Speaker 1: brief bio. However detail do you want to get into.

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Speaker 1: My name's Matt Taylor. I'm a journalist and researcher focusing

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Speaker 1: on cults, um, conspiracy theories, and extremism. And to day

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Speaker 1: is my birthday. Happy Birthday, Matt. In the in the past,

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Speaker 1: my name's THEO. I am a journalist and researcher as well.

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Speaker 1: I mostly focused on the American militia movement and paramilitary groups.

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Speaker 1: I'm toothpick Um with THEO, Matt Emmy and Big New Houses.

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Speaker 1: Isn't here on terrorism, Bat, that's that's a that's a podcast,

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Speaker 1: by the way, self plugged. Um. My research and reporting

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Speaker 1: focuses on mainly on conspiracy theories and where that overlaps

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Speaker 1: with political extremism and the focus on connections between US

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Speaker 1: in Europe, especially Germany. I'm Peter Smith. I'm a journalist

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Speaker 1: with the Canadian Anti Hate Network and the host of

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Speaker 1: the Unusual Show podcast. I'm Lily and I focus on

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Speaker 1: experimism and kind of terrorism and data analysis and I'm Emmy.

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Speaker 1: I do digital propaganda and rhetoric. That that that is

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Speaker 1: our little crew. Um. Yeah, let's see what the first

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Speaker 1: thing we kind of want to talk about, I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: is how we see like small because like the podcast

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Speaker 1: is more about like smaller local collapses, like we don't

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Speaker 1: there's not gonna be one big collaps Where does see

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Speaker 1: small things start to fall apart? And how we see

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Speaker 1: when small things all apart, what we do we see

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Speaker 1: filling in those gaps? Specifically, I think this will tie

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Speaker 1: into the militia movement a lot in a lot of ways. UM.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you guys can start sprouting off your your knowledge. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I've been thinking of

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Speaker 1: and following it. I don't now if this has made

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Speaker 1: as much of an impact in US media. UM. But

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Speaker 1: in the last month UM, parts of Germany and the

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Speaker 1: wiped out some villages and some towns. UM. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things that we've seen in Germany is you know,

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Speaker 1: far right groups. UM. There isn't really a militia movement

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Speaker 1: because it all laws there, but but far right groups

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Speaker 1: rushing in UM and collecting aid and going for photo

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Speaker 1: ops UH in those catastrophe areas. UM. And what that

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Speaker 1: does make me think of And maybe THEO can talk

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Speaker 1: more about this guy as we've seen similar stuff in

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Speaker 1: the US with the militia moving marking themselves as you know,

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Speaker 1: emergency preparedness UM or marking them selves in that way

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Speaker 1: and positioning themselves where when you know the government is

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Speaker 1: unable to respond, that these groups are able to come

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Speaker 1: in UM and also using that for their messaging and

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Speaker 1: for their rhetoric. Yeah. So, I mean that is something

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Speaker 1: that you see in the US. The biggest example Garrison

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this earlier, but during the wildfires

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Speaker 1: in Oregon last year, you saw checkpoints being established by

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Speaker 1: militia groups, whether all already formed militia groups are kind

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Speaker 1: of impromptu armed bands, and you also see that as

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Speaker 1: like a big marketing thing. I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: the Virginia based militias that I follow went out to

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Speaker 1: Tennessee two one or two years ago when the tornadoes happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they did a bunch of m H kind of aid

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Speaker 1: and photo ops. Yeah. So just not to docks myself,

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Speaker 1: but I'm from Nashville. And then, uh, the beginning of

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Speaker 1: in March, right before someone just dropped a toy gun.

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Speaker 1: Great job, guys. Yeah. So in the beginning of March

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Speaker 1: of last year, right before COVID hit Nashville, we had

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Speaker 1: like two different neighborhoods and then a rural town right

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Speaker 1: outside Nashville. But you saw a lot of like, so

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Speaker 1: the community comes together and this really nice display mutual

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Speaker 1: aid to do all the cleanup basically before any official

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Speaker 1: cruise could get there. But with that you also sell

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Speaker 1: like these far right groups coming in for photo ops

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Speaker 1: and it just it normalizes their presence in heavily impacted

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Speaker 1: areas and it was not not ideal. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the American militia movement, especially the modern kind of

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Speaker 1: post two three strain of it, is predicated on this

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Speaker 1: idea of a complete breakdown of order or a loss

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Speaker 1: of civil order, however you conceive of that. And um,

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Speaker 1: these like climate disasters that are going to hit areas

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Speaker 1: are going to kind of provide a self fulfilling prophecy

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Speaker 1: for these people to step in and say like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: you need some sort of armed force, You need some

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Speaker 1: sort of group of people to keep order and to

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Speaker 1: keep law in whatever way they conceive of that. I

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Speaker 1: do think it's interesting you guys talking about kind of

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Speaker 1: like the photo op thing that they do, because when

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Speaker 1: the wildfire has happened in Oregon. All of the the

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Speaker 1: actual like relief work was done by anti fascists, Like

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Speaker 1: we like people in Portland, we set up, you know,

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Speaker 1: these these massive camps to help you know, all these

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Speaker 1: like you know, much more conservative people who is, who

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Speaker 1: have whoa to that wait their evacuate their homes and

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Speaker 1: they were all getting fed and all like their closest

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Speaker 1: that were coming from anti fascists, and the all the

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Speaker 1: right did was do the arm checkpoints thing. But interesting

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Speaker 1: that like in the South, where there's less anti fascists,

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Speaker 1: like you know, compared to the generals, compared to the

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Speaker 1: Portland right, how some of those groups actually do do

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Speaker 1: some of the relief effort um and that that's definitely

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Speaker 1: not the case up here in the in the West coast.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean last year, I remember a few

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Speaker 1: county level militias that I follow in Virginia. We're like

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Speaker 1: seriously doing relief work, like they were gathering food, they

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Speaker 1: were taking out places affected by flooding in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: by tornadoes and Tennessee. It's not I wouldn't go so

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Speaker 1: far as to call it mutual aid because it lacks

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Speaker 1: the kind of ideological framework for that, but they are

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01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: providing some sort of infrastructure for their guys. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1071
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: with with less of like the theory side of mutually.

1072
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: But like, and I'm sure there's someone else who can

1073
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: speak more on this, but like from my perspective growing

1074
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: up in a super weird church, I see this in interacting,

1075
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: they see this like combining with local churches a lot

1076
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: as well. Um, I'm not sure there's anyone else here

1077
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: who could say something more intelligently than me about how

1078
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: like religion will combine with these like kind of militia effort. Well,

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01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: I was like eco eco extremists, like on the far right,

1080
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: on the very fringe far right, can start to like

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01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: be very esoteric about there, you know, belief in climate change,

1082
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: and they start to sort of frame it as like

1083
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: our reason for the collapse, Um, that we need collapse,

1084
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: are attacking infrastructure, like for the purpose of somehow saving

1085
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: the planet, even though it's really not going to get anywhere.

1086
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: We really need to We have to do a lot

1087
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: of our own work on the planet. We can't just

1088
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: destroy everything and see if it work. Yeah, we can

1089
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: definitely bring up accelerationists and accelerationism as a as an

1090
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: over overarching thing that is, you know, not just it

1091
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: not to be like horseshoe theory about it, but the

1092
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: accelation is that pops up in a whole whole lot

1093
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: of areas, including areas of the left, where it becomes

1094
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: very unuseful. Um that can lead to like a lot

1095
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: of wasted time and some destructive tendencies. I mean, I

1096
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: think that point kind of also provides an interesting through

1097
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: line between more mainstream militias and like the really esoteric

1098
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: brands of eco fascism or ecologically based extremism, is that

1099
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: like they're both very influenced by like colonial schools of thought,

1100
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: like eco fascism and all that is kind of predicated

1101
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: on this idea of like tera nolis, like there is

1102
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: this perfect empty wild land that we can have manifest

1103
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: destiny exactly, And like so much of the ideas of

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01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: order and um like peacekeeping that you find within more

1105
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: mainstream militia movements come from this exact same type of thinking,

1106
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: where it's like a colonial order that you need to keep. Yeah,

1107
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a lot of a lot of

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01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: people on the left who are in like the kind

1109
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: of like you know, green green, like like ecosocialist or

1110
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: like green anarchists kind of strange to get very straining

1111
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: when people talk about eco fascism, which I can understand

1112
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: because no one really means the same thing when they

1113
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: talk about it. Sometimes they just mean any like any

1114
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: like quote unquote terrorism that has like has like environmental purpose.

1115
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: Some people, you know, when they think of eco fascists,

1116
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: we think of like overpopulation. You know, there's a lot

1117
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: of different things they mean mean by it. But I

1118
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: know we we've all had talks about like what we

1119
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: personally view as like eco fascism, because it's it's it's

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: it's not just eco streamism, Like eco streamism does not

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: equal fascism. Like there is there's a whole bunch of

1122
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: eco extremists who are very anti fascist, um. And there

1123
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: is some who kind of bridge bridge the gap, you know,

1124
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: like like like id S has some more fascist tendencies,

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: But I would not accurately call them fascist based on

1126
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: the type of stuff they do, with type of writing

1127
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: they do, they do not have, they do not check

1128
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: all of the boxes. Um. But then then we do

1129
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: have people who I would accurately describe as eco fascists

1130
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: who have done who've done you know, mass shootings who

1131
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of eco who have eco fascist stuff

1132
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: either in the writing that they like or their own manifestos.

1133
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: They bring enough points it's like, yeah, you kind of

1134
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: fall into this broad category. Do someone here want to

1135
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: give their personal definition of ego fascism? This isn't this

1136
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily exactly what we use for the pod, But

1137
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: I just I'm interested to Here's a lot of people

1138
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: with various backgrounds. Everyone has their own specialized knowledge. What

1139
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: kind of when people say that, what, what do you

1140
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: kind of put into that category? People believe in like

1141
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: this organic law and like natural order, and they believe

1142
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: that like there is a natural hierarchy ingrained in everything.

1143
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: And I think that generally, like if we return to

1144
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: like some kind of primitive society or like, you know,

1145
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: they'll assume that like everything has uh it's own structure,

1146
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: and that there's going to be people who rise to

1147
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: the top, people who just you know, uh don't belong

1148
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: in that kind of society. It's going to be really

1149
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: damaging for like the elderly, for disabled people. And they

1150
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: just sort of see it as like survival of the

1151
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: fifth um, And I think that's like a much more

1152
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: eco fascist point of view rather than like a more

1153
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: green anarchist point of view where things with sort of

1154
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: even out um, rather than become a hierarchical Yeah. Yeah,

1155
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: I think hierarchy is an important part of that. And

1156
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: how we you know, there is like a lot of

1157
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: green anarchist who are focusing on like making their own

1158
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: medication for for you know, people with tybies and stuff.

1159
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of stuff that's like really interesting to look

1160
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: at and stuff that we should absolutely pursue because we'll

1161
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: become less relianced apply chains. And we don't really see

1162
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: ego fascists doing that. We do not see them focusing

1163
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: on making medication for people. Oh no, maybe I can

1164
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: kind of set some people have to say more stuff

1165
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: if I say it was real quickly. But one of

1166
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: the things that I always or that that is a

1167
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: red flag for me is is just you know, bring

1168
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: in this very traditional discussions of gender roles and and

1169
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: relating that to the environment. Yeah, of our rhetoric, I mean,

1170
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't we don't need to say names of specific

1171
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: like writers are people, but there's definitely describe the general sure, Yeah,

1172
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: stop playing with the toy gun. Oh my god, Um,

1173
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: just just like establishing and it is kind of it

1174
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: can be kind of like an older left thing too,

1175
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: but establishing you know, ecological discussions within framework of traditional

1176
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: gender roles um and kind of like what is expected

1177
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: of people based on their sex. Yeah, this is this

1178
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: is this is the dark side of cottage core. Yes,

1179
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: that's the one way to put us. I mean you

1180
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: want to get in here, oh boy, yeah, I like

1181
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: parts of cottage courts, just not want intersects with a

1182
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: certain strade of politics, Like queer cottage core is extremely

1183
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: cute until yeah, well until you're not queer, and listen,

1184
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they still are. Now here's the thing.

1185
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: When we're when we're dealing with like traditional gender role stuff,

1186
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: it's a really like slippery slope into more aggressive strains

1187
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: of thought. So when we're when we're talking about the

1188
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: the idea of of the class birthday, it's mass birthday.

1189
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: You asked to apologize, Yeah, Rick to the editor, I

1190
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. That's so good. So when they're talking about

1191
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: the claps and they want, you know, they think the

1192
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: rod of modernity will be gone, society will be ended.

1193
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: They can they can you know, rebuild from the ground up,

1194
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: smaller communities and uh, they can they can build the

1195
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: society they want, which is largely no nationalists. It's not great.

1196
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: The the idea that there will be this this supertraditional

1197
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: family structure. You're going to have your this combined strong

1198
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: warrior also homesteading man and your cool trad life who

1199
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: never ages above thirty in this society. Like I'm being

1200
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: generous here, assuming that at least like some of these

1201
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: people have a little bit of like pre planning. But

1202
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't um and they step on each

1203
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: other a lot, right because they have this this whole

1204
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: plan for this uh, this society free of industry, um,

1205
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: and they can't stop posting about it on the internet.

1206
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: It's really funny, right, Like they're not they're not good

1207
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, they're like way too addicted to posting

1208
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: to like actually commit to like the true off the

1209
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: grid trad life. At least at least ten k was

1210
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: off the grid. We don't gotta hand it. We don't

1211
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: got a hand to it. You want the circumtensis got

1212
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: hit pod divided on how much we've got to hand it? Said, Kay,

1213
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: the official stands of terrorism bad is a terrorism is bad?

1214
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: Why don't we just bring them on. It is kind

1215
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: of a concern when they do end up when they

1216
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: stop posting. I mean when they're posting, but it's kind

1217
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: of more concerning posting sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, if the same

1218
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: as like looking at a kid that wants to be

1219
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: a firefighter or something like they're just talking. They're not

1220
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: going to do it, but you see some of the

1221
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing it and when they're doing the thing, the

1222
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: lifestyle influencer version of fascism. Yeah, do you think that

1223
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: it's going to affect kind of like laws about living

1224
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: off grid and laws about like for for normal people.

1225
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: I just want to get the funk out. I actually

1226
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: just read something about this. There's some guy who've been

1227
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: living off grade in Pennsylvania for like thirty years and

1228
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember the details of this, and we don't

1229
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: have internet out here. Burn his house down. Yeah, he's

1230
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 1: in jail now. He's probably to be in jail for

1231
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. And I think part of

1232
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: whether it comes from left through the right as people

1233
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of start to try to build resiliency within communities

1234
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: for disasters that are coming and start to seek ways

1235
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 1: of living that do not rely on supply chains and

1236
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: do not rely on the state. The state will strike

1237
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: back against that as a consolidation of power, because the

1238
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: more that people move away from it, whether on the

1239
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: left or right, the less power the state has. I mean,

1240
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: and utilizing counter terrorism an excuse to do so, Yeah,

1241
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: because they're giving reasons and it's not it's not going

1242
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: to get enforced equally. I'm sure the government's gonna gonna

1243
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: focus uncertain people doing this and be slightly more okay

1244
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: with other people doing it. Um. Well, yeah, what's so?

1245
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: I would like to talk about Canada a little bit,

1246
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: because specifically climate change affecting Canada's can be very it's

1247
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: going to be slightly different, and most of it go

1248
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: to the States because I've been I've been I've been

1249
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: having my my waist deep in climate science books for

1250
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: most of twenty one. Um, and Canada's gonna probably see

1251
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: economic boosts um. And they're probably the state's probably just

1252
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: gonnaa gap to get act you stronger because of how

1253
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: the same thing with Russia. Both Canada and Russia are

1254
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: going to get more economically powerful under climate change because

1255
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: of how much more props are gonna get moved up.

1256
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: How give me your thoughts to canad because in canada's

1257
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: my backup plan. It's gonna gets too spicy in the States.

1258
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking my Canadian passport and hiding in the woods.

1259
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: Um how how What's it's interesting to hear you guys

1260
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: talk about American millistic culture because we we definitely are

1261
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: Rhetoric and propaganda that we see in Canada gets borrowed

1262
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: a lot the talking points from the States, like the concepts,

1263
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: but what we don't have are these strong organized militia groups.

1264
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: We had three per centers for a while, um and

1265
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: who still exists, but they were they were big about

1266
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: being off right like they were the ones who weren't

1267
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: posting for a long time. UM. And it seems like

1268
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: as much as all these people are still around, they've

1269
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: largely deflated, doubt because Canada has made some some efforts

1270
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: to call them terrorists right right. Very recently we designated

1271
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: them as a terrorist organization, which doesn't carry a criminal charge.

1272
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: But if you if you do something involved with them,

1273
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: you send them money like there is there are consequences

1274
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: that have legal enhancements, um, but are are kind of

1275
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: militia culture focuses on the illegitimacy of the state that

1276
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 1: Canada is founded. It's very kind of soft sit type rhetoric.

1277
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: But that Canada's establishment, it's it's rules, and especially with

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Speaker 1: all the public health measures, it's this growing, uh, this

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Speaker 1: growing kind of tired of thought in both the prairies

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Speaker 1: and largely out west. I grew up in Saskatchewan. Um,

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Speaker 1: most of my families in Alberta. I know when when

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Speaker 1: I look at when I because I keep a soft

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Speaker 1: eye on some Canadian hate groups just because I'm Canadian.

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Speaker 1: Most of them popped up around Alberta. Um, we're you

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Speaker 1: see this stuff kind of like happening, Like do you

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Speaker 1: see any of this on the East coast? If so,

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Speaker 1: it's smaller or is this mostly on the West coast Canada? Thing? Well,

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Speaker 1: that like that conspiratory of thought we've seen kind of

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Speaker 1: across the country, Like on the East coast. You know,

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Speaker 1: just recently we had people setting up their own version

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Speaker 1: of checkpoints um as like a protest against the the

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Speaker 1: public health measures, and like the whole eastern part of

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Speaker 1: Canada is in its own bubble right now. Um. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you had this the conspiracy based movement forming these actual

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Speaker 1: checkpoints and then the main part of it though, is

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Speaker 1: probably going to be out west. That is where these

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Speaker 1: ideas are the most popular or the most popular. That

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Speaker 1: makes sense where mainstream politicians are moving towards, you know,

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Speaker 1: amplifying these types of talking points. Do you see that like?

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Speaker 1: Is that it is that a mostly Alberta thing. It's

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Speaker 1: mostly like prairies Alberta, the farmland. The interesting part is

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Speaker 1: that when you talk about groups is like in Canada,

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Speaker 1: groups are an urban phenomenon. For the most part, most

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Speaker 1: of our organization takes place around the city centers, and

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Speaker 1: that is very different from the States. With the States,

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Speaker 1: that's it's usually the usually the opposite. In some there's

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Speaker 1: there's always exceptions of two minimum people live. But generally

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Speaker 1: we see it as more as more of a rule

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Speaker 1: thing which teams organized, whereas cities are more like liberal

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Speaker 1: and that's what the anti fascist groups are based. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of these like these little ideological pockets

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Speaker 1: that exist all over and certainly that sentiment is probably shared,

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Speaker 1: but the need to mobilize seems to mostly focus on

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Speaker 1: the urban centers, and then we'd never have our groups.

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Speaker 1: They don't providing any kind of page that's just or

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Speaker 1: even checkpoints like that's beyond these like very recent protest movements.

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Speaker 1: You know, there has been no more forest fires around BC, um,

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Speaker 1: around you know what Western Alberta. Um. How do you

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Speaker 1: see the government's response these types of things right now?

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Speaker 1: And it Canada isn't particular situation with um, the Liberals

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Speaker 1: having a minority control. Um. You know, the Canadian poems

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Speaker 1: parliamentary system is probably confusing to alote Americans that they

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Speaker 1: don't understand it already. UM. But yeah, how how what

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Speaker 1: do you what do you see on on that front?

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Speaker 1: You know, you know just in true both both true

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Speaker 1: down Biden talk the talk around like pipelines and stuff,

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Speaker 1: but then do the complete opposite. Um. How do you

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Speaker 1: could have seen this kind of stuff working right now?

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Speaker 1: For for like on the on the climate side of things, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: our our reaction to the firefighters or reaction to the wildfires. UM.

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Speaker 1: I mean the government response has always looked at on like,

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Speaker 1: it's always looked at poorly. Um. But none of these

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Speaker 1: people are taking this as an opportunity to kind of

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Speaker 1: change minds and of do pr Um. There's much less

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Speaker 1: reaction to it. Most like the West. Also, there's this

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Speaker 1: incredible feeling of alienation because of the way that government

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01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: is set up, they have substantially less they have substantially

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Speaker 1: less voting power. Yeah, the same way the States, how

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Speaker 1: you know, there's like this excelling states with states in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, you feel like they don't really have any

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Speaker 1: power politically. The same things for almost the entire East,

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Speaker 1: entire West coast of Canada, everything from like Manitoba to Alberta,

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01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: parts of BC. Everyone is very frustrated at at at

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Speaker 1: the at the federalise um and how they really don't

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Speaker 1: have control for what's happening. Like, yeah, people in the

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Speaker 1: East Coast are controlling what what our what our pipelines are,

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Speaker 1: what our minds are doing, and that does not fair

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Speaker 1: to our workers, because yeah it is. It does suck

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01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: when you know, a mind closes and then everyone in

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: a small town is out of business. Like the part

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Speaker 1: the part right in Canada, almost Stanley around them, you know,

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Speaker 1: used to be you know, bustling small towns that are

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Speaker 1: basically all all now ghost towns because stuff to close.

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Speaker 1: People have to meet to either like Calgary, Edmonton, Regina

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Speaker 1: don't laugh, um, so you know all all these specific things.

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Speaker 1: You know, we see pockets of this, we see pockets.

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Speaker 1: We see pockets of this and like the Good West

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Speaker 1: in the state's deal. Also it's like like manifestest naship

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Speaker 1: because like they are a lot of it started with

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01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: people kind of moving outward to try and gain more

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01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: land and make their borders um larger and like live

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01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: further out to like try and uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: to more territory um and with the like Canadian big

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01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: surgeon like indigenous rights and the big focus and shift

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Speaker 1: to like sort of give them land back or so

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Speaker 1: I'm not exactly clear on what the Canadian stances are

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Speaker 1: on that. Oh, just like I mean, we have a

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Speaker 1: big movement from indigenous populations to they seem very like

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Speaker 1: the comment like, well there's so many different bands and

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Speaker 1: tribes in different types of nations. Um, like we have

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Speaker 1: unseated territory, and the dynamics with which the government is

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: supposed to deal with and has agreed to deal with

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01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: it actually does deal with them is all vastly different. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that that idea of this focus on these

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Speaker 1: particular issues, like indigenous issues, even our attempts to you know,

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01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: have a greener economy, you know for a place that

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01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: for a long time and still is an extraction economy. Yes, Um,

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01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: how does that like a fact the oil company with

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: healthcare more like extremist far right groups who want to

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01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: move out that way, um, for the purpose of organizing.

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Speaker 1: And you also have the indigenous focus within the liberal government.

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Speaker 1: So like, how do those two groups do you think

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Speaker 1: like interact? Uh? Like the general conception is that the

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Speaker 1: push for indigenous rights, especially on the farther right, is

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: is for the digient franchipisement of white Europeans like it

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01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: is um. And then yeah, you do have this Western

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01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: exodus where we have very popular figures who are moving

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: further west because they are these stronger ideas of sovereignty. Um.

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Speaker 1: I forget what exactly it was pulling, but when the

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: Western exit or exit was started, you know, there was

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01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: a significant amount of popular or at least like not

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01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: strong support, but like existing support there was there was

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,480
Speaker 1: there was a it was a large amount of support. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what happens though, talking about collapse,

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: like you know in these small towns, in like cloistered communities, um,

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01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: you know, they already feel cut off from the government

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01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: and not represented. And then if you have a breakdown

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01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: of infrastructure, you know, that will create why do we

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: even have them in the first place if they're not

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Speaker 1: helping us, which is which, which is true, which is

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: like a well real thing to think about. But their

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01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: solutions are wildly different than the actual solutions to help people, right.

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Speaker 1: And we've already see how this plays out in the

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Speaker 1: past as well with um, you know, places where uh,

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01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: the infrastructure starts to break down and then people who

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01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: have weapons kind of become the authority just based on

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01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: the fact that they have more power. Yeah. So one

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01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: of the things that I follow is a lot of

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the more let's characterize it as as

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:07,440
Speaker 1: boomer esque conspiracy theories, UM, especially with anti vax, anti

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01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: public health measures type thing UM. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things that that that really is noticeable to me is

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,839
Speaker 1: how much more sovereignties and stuff is creeping up into

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: those areas UM and especially you know, they're they're two

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01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: really big examples of you know, if there's an anti

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01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: DAX protest in your city, it's probably one of these

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: two networks that both come from Europe UM that I'm

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: not going to name right now. UM. And those two

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01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: networks also you know, love to organize over the messaging

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01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: app Telegram, UM and Telegram is tell me if I'm

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01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: stepping in at any Telegram is where you know, so

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01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: much of this ideology, this far right ideology is able

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01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: to cross mix and commingle um. You know, I we

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01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: talked about Telegram in the pods, but people are familiar. Yeah,

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01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: I have been stepped in it yet keep going yeah,

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01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 1: adjacent to step but it's yeah, so so I mean, my, my,

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Speaker 1: The biggest framework going to talk about this a lot

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01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: is is Telegram as kind of this technological body of

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01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: the cultic milieu because there is so like basically no

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: enforcement close to no enforcement on Telegram and so you know,

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: these these more malicious actors know that, and they know

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01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: that they can find an audience who is interested in,

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01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, opposing the mainstream conspiratorial thought in these kind

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01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: of like boomer tell boomers on Telegram and conspiracy groups,

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01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: and there are you know, militious actors planning to go

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01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: in and when these people over it. And you know

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01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: a lot of these militious actors are younger people who

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01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: don't have those resources, but they know that they can

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: win over these people who do have resources, who own

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01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: land who have savings to kind of like fund that

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01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: movement if yeah, oh, I was just gonna say, I

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01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: do think that the cultic miliuse like a really important

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01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: heuristic for these kind of collapse in areas, because the

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01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: question of what happens when kind of infrastructure and any

1445
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: sort of political guidance falls away is governed a lot

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01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: by that, and like this idea that there's there are

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01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: these ideas floating around in our society and once people

1448
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: have nothing else turned to, these malicious actors will bring

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01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: this stuff in and uh yeah, to put it simply,

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01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: then we're pretty fucked. Yeah. Telegram also has recently started

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01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: to have to crack down people and UM. Because of that,

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: you have this really interesting dichotomy of people who are saying,

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01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: like this means like get ready, get prepared, go off,

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: grig gone. And you also have on the other end

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01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: people who are saying, you know, create all type platforms

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01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: and like create UM more like self encryption and like

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01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to step in right now, yea, yeah,

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01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: but to be able to to speak more peer like

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01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: peer to peer UM resources. And that wraps up part

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Speaker 1: one of the Terrorism round Table discussion. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: for listening. You can find us at happen Here pod

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Speaker 1: and cool Zone Media. On all of the socials UM.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Hungry bow Tie UM, and

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Speaker 1: you can follow a decent amount of the researchers on

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Speaker 1: their podcast at Terrorism Bad, the podcast I think. I

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01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: think it's just at Terrorism Bad anyway. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to Part one, Part two drops tomorrow. Stay tuned. This

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Speaker 1: is part two of our Terrorism Roundtable discussion. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't listened to part one already, I would recommend you

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Speaker 1: scroll back, listen to the previous episode and then continue

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Speaker 1: on from here so you have kind of context to

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Speaker 1: what exactly we're talking about. Anyway, this is two of

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01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: our discussion in the Woods. I hope you enjoy. Something

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01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: that I've talked about earlier this year after January six,

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01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: was like should the government ban telegram? Right? That was

1511
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: the thing? And there's a lot of a lot of

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01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: arguments are like no, absolutely not, and there's does it

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01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: Does anyone want to speak on that? Because you know,

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01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: because like if I want to talk about the government's

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01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: response to these things, you know, that's a very government

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01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: thing to do. Be like, oh, people are organized on

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01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: this platform, get into the platform problem gone, you know,

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01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: and that's not how that works. One us talking that

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01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sure, Um, yeah, so they're getting rid

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01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: of the platform doesn't necessarily help, especially when it's something

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01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: that is important, such as like you know, encrypted communication,

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01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: which is something that more people than just Nazis need um,

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01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: and that resource should not be cut off. And there's

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01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: also kind of a bad precedent to be said if

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01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: the if the government is deciding which uh forms of

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01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: speech it needs to have complete access to. I don't

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01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: love that. Um. The other thing is that if we

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01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: knew telegram, right, they don't disappear, they form that networks.

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01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: They're still there, and still they have to do more

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01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: things in person, still there, they're just harder to hard.

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01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,759
Speaker 1: People are absolutely correct when they say D platforming works

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01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: because it works for the platform, and a lot of

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01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: people just want that. A lot of people just don't

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01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: want to see Nazi ship and they're fine with you know,

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01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 1: D platform and they say this works, and they have

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01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: data to backup that it does work. But it works

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01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: for the platform. But the people still exist, well yeah,

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01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: still boosting their own ship and when they bring up

1539
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: building their own all tech platforms. It certainly works in

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01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: the early yeah, yeah, yeah, And there is elements that, yeah,

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01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: D platform is a wider thing can especially for like

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01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: in person stuff. But yeah, for your sort the thing

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01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: you're mentioning, yes it is. It is definitely not not

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01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: that cut and dry, you know, and telegrams really interesting

1545
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: because it is kind of this middle space between social

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01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: media and just a messaging app. Yeah. How The thing

1547
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: about it too, is that anybody can look at these

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01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, the public channels, so without without saying anything

1549
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: in the chance, so people could be kind of completely invisible. Nobody,

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01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: like nobody knows that they're there. They're watching this stuff,

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01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: and they're still getting the same messaging, they're still getting

1552
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: the same dates for protests, they're still like organizing, but

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01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: they can be uh, sort of just subscribe to a

1554
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: channel and you don't even need to be subscribed, you cause, yeah,

1555
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 1: just looking into and getting that flow of information without

1556
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: ever having like formal organizing so to speak. So it's

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01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: really hard to say that like, you know, these people

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01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: planned this because there's a lot of plausible deniability and

1559
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: there's anybody was involved. There's so much easy hyper linking

1560
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 1: between groups and channels and everything, so it's so easy

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01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: for someone to move between ideology and to go from

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01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of like the base level ship into the much

1563
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: deeper stuff extremely quick, very quick. Yeah, really quick. Well,

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01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: that's like that's good design. That's good for them about

1565
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: telegram is that you have all of the people that

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01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: are vulnerable to let's say, new ideas in one place.

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01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: That's exactly if you're trying to plan a collapse, you're

1568
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: going to need a lot more people than the numbers

1569
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 1: that the people who want the collaps actually have. So

1570
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: the easiest way to kind of move things along is

1571
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: desert inserting their ideas and their discourses and kind of

1572
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: altering the vibe of certain digital environments manually until they

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 1: have um, what we can kindly call cannon fodder. Yeah,

1574
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: or even starting their own and saying like, you know,

1575
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: this is a maga platform and it's actually just you know,

1576
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of bunch of acceleration ISS made made it

1577
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 1: to recruit them because saw attempts of this with like

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01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Q and on of people who are way more coleation

1579
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: is trying to use people. It was successful and the

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01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 1: people died. You're I mean that And then also you've

1581
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: got like like the idea of the boogaloo right that's

1582
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: being co opted to try to appeal to leftists, And

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01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: I mean there's a really good article by Left Coast

1584
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Right Watch that goes into one of those chats and

1585
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 1: they're basically like, yeah, really try to push these ideas

1586
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: of really try to push talking points like black lives

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: matter and all this, we want to get these protesters

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01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: on our side. And then you also have um, some

1589
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: blatant like white supremacist groups who are all using the

1590
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: boogaloos And how much of that too is like how

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01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: largen that is sort of real genuine like I am

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01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: not racist, I believe in black lives matter, Like I

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01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: want to be part of this even though I'm a

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01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: bog or like how much of it also is um

1595
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: kind of reminiscent of what we were talking about yesterday,

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01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: And I also don't want to step in it. But

1597
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: like with you know, the idea of from Anson of

1598
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: like Helter Skelter and like causing that race where it's

1599
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: like they what they would do is like try and

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01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: frame black people for it and say like this was

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01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and how much of it is saying

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01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: like this is black lives matter are and they want

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01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: people to see that after they do. The boogleloo groups

1604
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: that showed up in Portland in January in July when

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01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: the particular fads were happening, now that they showed up

1606
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: and we're all like, yeah, we're here to support black

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01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: lives matter and stand against the federal government and stuff. Um.

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01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: And they had some very suspicious patches that it took

1609
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: me up took me about a year to figure out

1610
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: what they were. And it's like this accelerationist like, um,

1611
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: it ties into whole bunch of like eco fascist propaganda

1612
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: stuff um and yeah, like they're they're saying these things,

1613
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: well they have these very obscure patches, um and yeah,

1614
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: this is an important reason why we need people who

1615
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: are not very smart, like I will say, Jimmy dor

1616
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: who puts these gives these people platforms are some of

1617
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: the worst and are going to cause a lot of

1618
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: problems because they have no idea what they're doing or

1619
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing, and they're just bad. And

1620
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: like that Boogleo thing kind of serves a twofold purpose

1621
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: in that you can bring people who self identify as

1622
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: leftists into the movement, but you also have a really

1623
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 1: good scapegoat for like actual Actually that was a big

1624
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: thing that we saw in Minneapolis when things first popped off,

1625
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: and like recently was getting burned down and suddenly people

1626
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: on the internet start losing their minds about the umbrella.

1627
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Guys at the and there was a guy who was indicted.

1628
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 1: He was a boo boo boy who was indicted for

1629
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: um like headlines said, burning down the precinct. He fired

1630
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: a weapon. He fired a gun on like near the

1631
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: wall exactly. And so that at the same time takes

1632
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 1: away agency from left wing movement and the States able

1633
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: to be like, look, see, it's just okay to crack

1634
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 1: down on them because they're all, you know, wild white

1635
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 1: supremacists exactly, just from any autonous room with the forms

1636
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 1: of the people in the community. But isn't that we

1637
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily for to his left is just piste off people.

1638
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we saw in every single you know,

1639
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: everybody perfect the young kids who are sucking piste off

1640
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: and are going to go smash it. And it's like saying,

1641
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 1: all of this is people from outside of the town.

1642
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: It's like, I never sign agitators. Yeah, it's a tale

1643
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: as old as time, Like outside agitator has been used

1644
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: since before this. It's a very old state talking point. Yeah,

1645
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: what are you going to say that? Um, yeah, I

1646
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: was gonna say. Also, it's somewhat related to that. We're

1647
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: talking about using like human on his cannon fodder and

1648
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 1: it also ties into the sab sit conversation we're having.

1649
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: So my research I special are not specialized. I focus

1650
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: on Christian identity, this white supremacist ideology and how specifically

1651
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: how it's grown since the nineties until now through like

1652
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: the Internet and all that fun stuff. This whole point

1653
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: they've been pushing lately is to like there this with

1654
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Christian identity. The whole thing is they are preparing for

1655
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: the apocalypse, which they call the tribulations, and they see

1656
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: modern see I folks see the boogaloo as like the

1657
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: tribulation that's coming. So what they're trying to do is

1658
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: go off grid and really try to like establish this

1659
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 1: new land or like to protect their kids and everything

1660
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: from like pollution and all that ship, but also to

1661
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: be away from the collapse and be able to start

1662
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 1: buy it. And then while they're doing all that, like

1663
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: prepping homesteads and the compounds and stuff, they're also like

1664
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: pushing like election fraud conspiracies and all that on like

1665
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: Q and on in the maggot crowd. Not because they

1666
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: believe it, not because yeah, right, they don't believe it.

1667
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: They know it's bullshit, but they can use it to

1668
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: accelerate collapse, just like January say, yes exactly, I mean

1669
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: when I mean there are groups when Joe Biden won

1670
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: the presidency or won the election, whatever, some groups being like, yeah,

1671
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,480
Speaker 1: I really try to push this theory of this conspiracy

1672
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: about election produd, even if you even if you don't

1673
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: believe in it, just push it because that helps our cause. Um.

1674
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: And that's that's something to be really mindful of too.

1675
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: Forgot where else I was going with that. Well, yeah,

1676
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: a lot of them don't mean what they say. They'll

1677
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: say things that will push other people to do something

1678
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,640
Speaker 1: that they don't necessarily want to do. And that's a

1679
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Like during January six, so

1680
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: much excitement because they could see that the Q and

1681
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: on crowd are actually mobilizing, and so they said to them,

1682
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: like to themselves, like, you know, get them, get the

1683
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: mobilizing for the white race, get the mobilizing for you know,

1684
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: our cause. And they've really successfully been able to infiltrate

1685
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: that and be able to get some people on board

1686
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: with some of it just based on using their rhetoric. Yeah,

1687
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: I know I talked about this on our podcast, but

1688
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,759
Speaker 1: you could see it like I reported on January six

1689
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 1: in person, and like you could watch it happen. Someone

1690
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: with a skull mask on or proud boy or an

1691
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: oath keeper would literally come back from the police line,

1692
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: grab a group of people, yell something at them about

1693
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: que and On or the storms upon us, and throw

1694
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: them up to that riot line and until they got

1695
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: did a really good did a really good visual investigation

1696
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: of how those extremistcupes you used mega people in quan

1697
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 1: On people as their foot soldiers. Qu A folk q

1698
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: A didn't really get break down their podcast. Yeah, but

1699
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: it's also with I mean not to link everything the

1700
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: Christian identity, which I have a tendency to do, but

1701
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: it's it's very ideologically similar to q and On, like

1702
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: from a Christianity point of view, Like that's quan On

1703
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 1: is like so close to the edge of Christian identity.

1704
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: It's very scary. Actually I talked about it on Jake

1705
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: hammer Hens Q Clarance podcast. But it there's also like

1706
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: not only trying to accelerate things through them, but also

1707
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: trying to recruit them through these like very very similar

1708
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: talking points about like the Synagogue of Satan and all that,

1709
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: saying that Christian identity is an entry point for some

1710
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: of them. Some of them bring it up as an

1711
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: entry point into further like accelerationist Nazi ship. But like

1712
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: they will start with Christian identity because I think that

1713
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 1: it's more practical to people who already believe in Q

1714
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: and on. Yeah, exactly, Will was saying these There's a

1715
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 1: lot of this comes from these kind of boomer conspiracies

1716
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: and anti vax groups, and you're not going to be

1717
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: able to get you know, Mimon pap Pap into like

1718
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: wotonism or something like that if you try hard enough change.

1719
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: But like Christianity is something that's palatable, it's something that's

1720
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: normal to them, and as you can kind of slowly

1721
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: tweak it through to it on, you can get them

1722
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: to this much warp stream. Talk about Christian identity. I

1723
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: think we should, like, maybe Matt, you could define it

1724
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: Christian identity. It's this radical offshoot of Christianity that sees

1725
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: all white people as the true Israelites from the Bible um.

1726
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: And they also think Jewish people are all literally the

1727
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 1: spawn of Satan. There's this really dumb theory they came

1728
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 1: up with and like kind of rewrote the whole Bible

1729
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: off of called can I name Zoka okay dual seed

1730
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 1: line theory where they say, like the story if you

1731
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 1: know about like Adam and even all that they had

1732
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: can enabled. Right, So they see um Kane was the

1733
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,839
Speaker 1: offspring of Eve and the devil and he was literally

1734
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: the spawn of Satan and then he intermingled with all

1735
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: these races that were there before Adam and Eve and

1736
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: created this demonic race. And it's really really fucking dumb,

1737
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: but it's still here. It's been here for It's probably

1738
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: gonna keep going. It's gonna get worse calling it now,

1739
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna get worse. Yeah, but uh, and the whole

1740
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: thing is they essentially like worship like a Nazi Jesus.

1741
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: They see Jesus only was really only talking to the

1742
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: white race, and that Christianity and like God only is

1743
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: able to be perceived by the white race. And before

1744
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: you start laughing at people, because yes, it does sound

1745
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,480
Speaker 1: very silly, keep in mind that these are extremely dangerous,

1746
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: like right, this is this is one problem with two

1747
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: and on when liberals just start laughing about how crazy

1748
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 1: it is and then they're so surprised at January six,

1749
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: we're like no, no, like it's yeah, like they're actually dangerous. Yeah,

1750
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: because you've mentioned in a lot and he's appecially that

1751
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: it's been mentioned in various manifestos linked to actually has

1752
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: warned very like organized, like I mean, historically it's a

1753
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: big part of like with Christian identity with a lot

1754
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: of these kind of like a lot of them based

1755
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: their like whole historical context of like arianism on this

1756
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: rewriting of history based on um a fake study that

1757
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:34,919
Speaker 1: was done in Nazi Germany about uh where some proto

1758
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Indo European languages came from. And so they believe that

1759
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 1: like white people came from uh an area that's you know,

1760
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: you could generally say it's sort of near the Black Sea, um,

1761
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: and that it's based on this like strange idea that

1762
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: like Sanskrit is not the oldest language, but like are

1763
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: you funny the gun at me because I'm stepping in you.

1764
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I think it actually is useful And yeah, there there

1765
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: is actual because they really tried to push this, They

1766
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: made um a lot of fake studies that you could

1767
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time researching this and believe that

1768
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: it's true, um, because there's just so much written about

1769
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: it and I think this is like a tactic that

1770
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: they really tend to do with historical revisionism. A lot

1771
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: is just crank out essay after essay, even if it's wrong,

1772
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: even if it's totally like based on false data or

1773
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: just skew it doesn't data. If they don't care, they

1774
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 1: just write about it, and that they think that like

1775
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: having more written about it makes it more legitimate. And

1776
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 1: if that's what we are talking have been talking about

1777
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: this this whole time we've been not recording, is there's

1778
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: just an overflow of content that is so easy to access,

1779
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily from these specifics they're talking about,

1780
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: just from the further right. In general, I just overflow

1781
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: the content. It's like always the top ship on Facebook.

1782
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,799
Speaker 1: To give an idea of how pervasive, even that idea

1783
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: of like where Indo European languages came from, Like when

1784
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,600
Speaker 1: I still went to college, I took the Religions of

1785
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 1: South Asia course and we had to spend like multiple

1786
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: days where a professor went through these myths about like

1787
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: what was the Arian invasion, which like was there are

1788
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: Arian people that that is a thing historically, yes, they're

1789
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: not white people, but like going through a definition of

1790
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: white people. Sure they think of arianism as like referring

1791
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: to a linguistic pattern. Yeah, but like in a university course,

1792
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 1: we still had to go through and like debunk these

1793
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: myths because they've gotten so pervasive within the culture. Yeah.

1794
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: And another thing I want to say is that how

1795
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: of these more entry level conspiracy ideas, it is hard

1796
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: to over emphasize how small the spaces between the entry

1797
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 1: level stuff and the much harder stuff. You can have

1798
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: an extremely extremely you know, I'll give I'll give an example.

1799
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: I went to you know, I was reporting on an

1800
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: anti vax protest and they went straight into talking about

1801
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 1: New World Order and and Project locks, Lockstep and and

1802
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the raw Childs and the builderers and like the Sabbatines

1803
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: and David Ice ship just me and this is this

1804
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: is the middle of the day, and like a metropolitan

1805
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: area with a bunch of boomers and trump hats who

1806
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: are getting this like hardcore ship pumped at them or

1807
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,799
Speaker 1: you uh, we sell that a lot. With the national

1808
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: bombing to like immediately it was like, oh, it was

1809
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: actually an attack on dominion. And also it was orchestrated

1810
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 1: by the roths Childs to destroy evidence of voter for

1811
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 1: I forgot that. And then also there was a whole like,

1812
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of stuff that came up later

1813
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: as a big conspiracy that it was actually a missile strike.

1814
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 1: I had to talk my grandpa down from that. Yeah,

1815
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: And there was a video that circulated for a while

1816
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 1: about then I had to get into a conversation with

1817
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,679
Speaker 1: my grandpa, but at the time was super isolated because

1818
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: of COVID and that's a whole yeah, And I had

1819
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: to like talk him down and show him like, no,

1820
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: here's uh, here's a video from somebody I knew who

1821
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: was like somewhat in the area and saw the explosion

1822
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 1: and like in there was not a missile anywhere. Yeah.

1823
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: One of the data studies that I've done is UM

1824
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 1: and worked on is using big pool and small pool

1825
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: discord servers of far right extremists UM, far right militia

1826
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: groups and UM very very accelerationist skull mass that networks

1827
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,719
Speaker 1: UM and looking at the big pools and the small

1828
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 1: pools and seeing the app mentioned between them. Yeah, and

1829
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: there was not one person who was more than three

1830
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: notes away from anybody else. It's very it can't be

1831
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: overstated how close people are from entry to very very

1832
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: very extreme h types of goals and explicit ideologies that

1833
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 1: explicitly pushed violence. And another point I want to bring

1834
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 1: up is um like, yeah, there's been much said about

1835
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Qunan isn't going away, It's just not called quan On anymore.

1836
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 1: With with these anti vax mobilizations, those mobilizations and groups

1837
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: aren't going away. They're just going to continue to shift

1838
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 1: in a ball of their focus and the stay you're

1839
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 1: planning for it like they've they've they've they've designed it

1840
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 1: that way. So I sometimes I find the normal stuff first,

1841
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I find the crazy stuff first. But I mean

1842
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: not even that long ago, I came across a particular

1843
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: social media profile that was explicitly calling for acts of

1844
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 1: terror and attempting to organize acts of terror and displaying

1845
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 1: acts of terror, which is like an immediate for the

1846
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: one that needs to be dealt with. However, they had

1847
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: multiple alternate accounts that you follow that path, and on

1848
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 1: their other accounts they're sharing like Tucker Carlson stuff like

1849
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 1: things that your grandparents are going to watch right like,

1850
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: and that is done on purpose to try to like

1851
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 1: siphon people out of um. More quote unquote mainstream versions

1852
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: of like conspiratorial thinking directly into like you should start

1853
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: exploding things, and even even more even more, let's say

1854
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: left of center conspiracy thinking ties into this is what

1855
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: does and it's not. You know, conspiracy theories are not

1856
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: solely a thing of the right, which which takes me

1857
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: off to no end. No, I just want to back

1858
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 1: you up on that, Like I think there's this maybe

1859
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: this like implicit idea that the left is immune to

1860
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories when it very much is. Yeah, I just

1861
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: wanted to emphasize that point. That idea that of like

1862
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: never being that far from the serious stuff is something

1863
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: that's really really observable, even beyond like a data level.

1864
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: I used to like consult with local newsrooms on how

1865
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 1: to report on things, and one of the big points

1866
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: I always tried to drill in was like, if you

1867
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 1: fuck this up and you frame this the wrong way,

1868
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 1: it will have consequences. And if this is stepping in

1869
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 1: it too much, we can come but like the um

1870
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Dylan Roof. Dylan Roof started his journey to radicalization by

1871
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: reading about Trayvon Martin in local news websites and local newspapers,

1872
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 1: and then googling black on white crime and his first

1873
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: result exactly and like it does not It did not

1874
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,960
Speaker 1: take long for him to go from I am reading

1875
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: local news articles that are framed this specific way to

1876
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: im killing people. That's not normal, of course, like a

1877
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 1: lot of people are not going to be reading local

1878
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: news and then suddenly start to think this way, but

1879
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: like there is a concerted effort by some very specific

1880
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: people who would like to make that pathway easier. It's

1881
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 1: what's interesting because we don't we can't like define it

1882
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 1: really as terrorism. What are they doing. They're really just

1883
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: they're just saying things. They're just encouraging people to do things,

1884
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: and like they're not like they're not doing anything wrong.

1885
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: We can't really call it terrorism. The most dangerous people

1886
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: in this game are usually not the ones doing the shooting,

1887
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 1: people behind the scenes trying to go on these paths

1888
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 1: in the first looking for people who are willing and

1889
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: then so they see somebody reading local news maybe and

1890
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,600
Speaker 1: they want to make that pathway easier for to go

1891
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 1: from local news to Dylan Ruth like because that's not

1892
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: a normal jump, but they really want to find people

1893
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 1: who are looking at local news like that, and then

1894
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 1: say to them like, well, okay, you look at this.

1895
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: Now look at that trying to try respect to climate change.

1896
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 1: How do you see do you see a similar pathway

1897
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: instead of instead of some of googling no black white crime,

1898
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:18,600
Speaker 1: like googling stuff about collapse and and like modern modern civilization.

1899
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 1: Eric Stryker, I don't know. Eric Striker has been on

1900
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,639
Speaker 1: about this, and I think that he's a i mean

1901
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: relatively like middle point that people get to like fairly

1902
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 1: like average people do listen to things like Eric Stryker

1903
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: entry level explicit Nazi and another thing, cut me off

1904
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: if we don't want to go in this direction. But

1905
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest places where we see

1906
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 1: young people getting into conspiracy theories is TikTok alright, TikTok

1907
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: that cut that cut that we're not we're not cutting that.

1908
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: That is that is with the pod. Yeah. The biggest

1909
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 1: entry points seen for a lot of things remains crisis. Yeah.

1910
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Speaker 1: And the thing is this, our upcoming climate scenario is

1911
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: going to give people an easier jumping on point. Well, yeah,

1912
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 1: that's so. I mean we were talking about how like

1913
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 1: the mythology of like like black on white crime and

1914
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff they're trying to create a situation that,

1915
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, with the urgency that justifies fascism, which on

1916
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: its own is unjustifiable and ridiculous. But when there's a crisis,

1917
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 1: climate change is the existential threat that they've been trying

1918
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 1: to artificially create, and they no longer have to. They

1919
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: now get to skip a lot of steps and save

1920
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot of energy by just planning at the fact

1921
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: that everything is literally on fire and that like that

1922
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: that makes it so much quicker. State, we have to

1923
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:57,560
Speaker 1: do something. We have all the guns. Now would be

1924
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: a great time to join it on our power. This kid,

1925
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 1: this this is our bym Our era hyperinflation type ship. Yeah,

1926
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean this is like when you're when you can't

1927
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:11,799
Speaker 1: get food from the grocery store anymore because of supply

1928
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 1: chain problems, or when everything around you is on fire.

1929
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 1: You don't need like a grace, you don't need a

1930
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: great replacement theory, you don't need anything. You don't need

1931
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: to say that the rothschilds are behind you. You haven't

1932
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 1: just need to wait. You have you have enough things

1933
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 1: that you experience yourself, and it's much scarier when you

1934
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: can't because I can't like like how do we how

1935
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Speaker 1: do we stop? Yeah, I can't find it's harder. Well,

1936
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: it's literally on fire. It's it's a problem and something

1937
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 1: needs to be done about it. I don't like your solution,

1938
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,720
Speaker 1: but something needs to happen. So what what what do

1939
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: you think on this path? And this is gonna get

1940
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot more speculative, like what can we do

1941
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:54,520
Speaker 1: to make people falling down those pathways less often? Like like, yes,

1942
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: that is that, that's that's one of the things that

1943
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 1: we're trying to do on the pot is making sure

1944
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 1: that people do not fall fold down the the doom

1945
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:04,759
Speaker 1: pathway because yeah, this that that does get people along

1946
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: down logical like against like like against most types of extremism.

1947
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Eco extremism is mostly logical. Like you look at it

1948
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: and you say, we need a radical change right now,

1949
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,680
Speaker 1: and that's correct. Um, it's just the way that they

1950
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: go about it is very, very different, and that's why,

1951
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: like you know, eco fascism is very different. It's its

1952
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: own type of eco extremism. And there's green anarchy that's

1953
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 1: a very different type of eco extremism. Like these are

1954
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 1: all different parts of something that almost has the same

1955
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: goals but wants to go about them very very, very differently,

1956
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: and it's so easy to just look around and see

1957
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 1: how everything's on fire, and I think like the government's

1958
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: doing nothing about it. The government starts doing something about it,

1959
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it's the state's two bigs. We're in communism,

1960
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 1: you know. So they all of like different goals and

1961
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: it's very conflicting on how to how to deal with

1962
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 1: and like even the very from tactics between green anarchy

1963
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 1: and like fascistic you extreamism. They also will get two

1964
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: different end fools, right, like you like your your basic

1965
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 1: amprim what's a very different life than you're you know,

1966
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 1: very you know, very stepping in it pilled fascist? Right,

1967
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 1: A collapse can only benefit the right. A collapse can

1968
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 1: only benefit the people who already have power, who already

1969
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 1: able bodied, who already stocked up on guns, who already like, yeah,

1970
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't frustrate me with their being anarchists who are

1971
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 1: like rooting for the collapse because you're not gonna win,

1972
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 1: like you're just going to be somewhere on the wall. Yeah. Well,

1973
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 1: they've got very strict ideas of which people count as

1974
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,799
Speaker 1: human and the goal of the majority of fascist movements

1975
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 1: is to you know, purge the ranks of the people

1976
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: they see is lesser, and they have they have, they

1977
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: have very precise ideas about who they plan on letting

1978
01:52:55,680 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 1: to survive the collapse. So let's let's I think it's

1979
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 1: time to start talking about and tell me if I'm

1980
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: taking this in the long direction. You know what the

1981
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: funding someone do? Who's listening to this? Yeah? No, stop recycling,

1982
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:17,880
Speaker 1: it's all getting buried in the Oregan force. Just vote.

1983
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what made you start local? Find a

1984
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 1: local group, find a local direct action group. Investigate that

1985
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: group and see who is behind it. But find start locally.

1986
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 1: It has to start at the local level, because when

1987
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 1: should I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna say if the

1988
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 1: collapse comes or like or no, not the collapse like local,

1989
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 1: local collapses. There's anyway disasters, Confucio disasters are gonna affect

1990
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 1: at the local level. Talk to your talk to your neighbors,

1991
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: talk to your family, Like, try to get your family

1992
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 1: on these paths that lead to helping your neighbors instead

1993
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: of you know, making friends with the church militia. Before

1994
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,760
Speaker 1: you buy a gun, learn how to fucking garden, but

1995
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: buying a gun and that sort of thing is is good.

1996
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: It's good to know how to use firearms, basic biency preparedness. Yes,

1997
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 1: but learn learn how to put on our turn to

1998
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: learn how to feed yourself, learn how to grows some

1999
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: fucking food. Learn how to cook that fucking food. Get

2000
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 1: in effect all that comes before, like you get to

2001
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:25,680
Speaker 1: be a fallout character. Yeah, oh yeah, an individual first

2002
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 1: aid kit. You can buy them on the stores. You can.

2003
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 1: You can buy them and like some pawn shops. Yeah,

2004
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 1: I like North American Rescue or North River Rescue. I'm

2005
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: sure we'll find about. I text more on the poduct.

2006
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Well there, Look, there are two big things. One, we

2007
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 1: all have a moral obligation to consistently counter the black

2008
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 1: pill doom er ship. Everything is coming to an end,

2009
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have to. That's optional. Like things are

2010
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 1: going to get bad, but there's degrees of that. We

2011
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 1: can stop it from being. You don't need civilizational great,

2012
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 1: we don't need civilization to end like that can be done.

2013
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 1: Step two. We also have an obligation to counter the

2014
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 1: individualist stuff and and and focus our efforts more towards

2015
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 1: towards community and relationships. That is so so important because

2016
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 1: every idiot that's gonna buy a gunna have a bunker,

2017
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 1: not only is not going to make it, that's gonna

2018
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 1: screw the rest of us. Like this has to be

2019
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 1: a communal effort and almost civilization thing, Like we do

2020
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,880
Speaker 1: need civilization to change, like we need human society, as

2021
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 1: we lay out we as has a lot of problems.

2022
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:26,840
Speaker 1: I understand people's critiques of human civilization. We still need

2023
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 1: a society, but yeah, we we need we need places

2024
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: that you know, people are going to catherine and people

2025
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, provide the things that we have. Um. I

2026
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 1: noticed that that can be a loaded word on certain

2027
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 1: political circles. So I'm not you know, we're not getting

2028
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 1: into like civilization theory and that kind of anything. I

2029
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I would argue any ideology or ideas

2030
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: just the boogaloo that uh kind of hypes up a

2031
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 1: collapse is generally one you should stay away from anything

2032
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 1: that makes the collapse sound like it makes it sound

2033
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 1: sexy and personal story as I think it's important to remember,

2034
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 1: Like if there was some massive civil conflict that happened,

2035
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 1: I think the people who would suffer the most or

2036
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 1: the noncombatants to deal with it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I

2037
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:10,560
Speaker 1: don't talk about kind of episode of terrorism bad. Um,

2038
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: well we'll do plugs of the end. Hold put the

2039
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 1: gun back in your pants, just together. I was talking

2040
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 1: about historical precedent earlier, about things we've seen in the

2041
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: past with collapses and how people with guns and people

2042
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,919
Speaker 1: who with training end up being the ones who gained power. Um.

2043
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 1: Something that like I was specifically reading about that was, um,

2044
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 1: like the Rwandan genocide. If you know, it was just

2045
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 1: the three months where most of the Fitsie people were

2046
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 1: wiped out. Um, there are conflicting numbers, so I'm not

2047
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna specifically say any but um, you know the more

2048
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: recently like this year. Earlier this year, Um was only

2049
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 1: when Rwanda admitted what it was, that it was a genocide.

2050
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: And um, the people the armed forces were the ones

2051
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: who became like the the leaders and then they were

2052
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 1: backed by the government. That can't happen in America. Yeah,

2053
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 1: And it's like it can't happen here though we are

2054
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: we are immune to this in our spot of the world.

2055
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:19,680
Speaker 1: Call it will not happen here. And the other thing

2056
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 1: is look at where you get your information from. Seriously,

2057
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 1: no matter who you are, take a long, hard look

2058
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: at who you get your even if you're on the left,

2059
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: especially if you're you're on the left. You know, if

2060
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 1: you want to hear about something that's happening in an area,

2061
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 1: look at the people who are actually on the ground

2062
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,840
Speaker 1: reporting with people. Don't just rely on like news aggregators.

2063
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 1: Especially on Twitter. There's been a lot of bad, very

2064
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 1: bad faith news degreators on Twitter who are posing a leftist.

2065
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: This has been a huge problem. Even leftists who just

2066
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: don't do that, You just do a very bad job.

2067
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: People call themselves like car extremism or counters and researchers,

2068
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 1: and they are really talking about anti They say that

2069
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 1: they are kind of extremism researchers, and they pose that

2070
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: way and they look sometimes like they could be sometimes

2071
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 1: like that they're not, but like you know, vary varying

2072
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 1: degrees of like legitimacy, but like they focus only on

2073
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:26,640
Speaker 1: like the left wing stuff. They don't think they don't

2074
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: see it has to be this idea of like keeping

2075
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 1: it balanced right, like not making it just like a

2076
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:33,640
Speaker 1: far right issue, which I would argue, I think a

2077
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of other people would that this kind of stuff

2078
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: is more concerning issue and there is like merit definitely

2079
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: to looking at left acceleration, which is not for the record,

2080
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 1: left accelerationism is not talking about anti fascists. But um,

2081
01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: it's really not time to get like well, I mean,

2082
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: left accelerations will be will be its own effort. But

2083
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 1: what what some people do posing as um, you know,

2084
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 1: people who have credibility and are able to um kind

2085
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:20,200
Speaker 1: of sway opinion, They are not really doing what they

2086
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 1: say that they're doing. They're really just trying to shift

2087
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 1: the narrative of of racially motivated violent extremism, which is

2088
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: a big obviously to being like BLM is racially motivated

2089
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 1: violent extremism, and they want to push that narrative further

2090
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 1: and further. I think let's look, leok, let's go, let's

2091
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 1: kind of probably start to like wrap up and say

2092
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 1: our final thoughts on you know, this whole this whole topic. UM,

2093
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 1: I know, we we didn't. We didn't. We did not

2094
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 1: we did we did not get to talk about like

2095
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 1: eco defense very much. Anyone has any flinal thoughts on

2096
01:59:53,200 --> 01:59:54,680
Speaker 1: that and how they see it kind of growing and

2097
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: how they see the state's response to it. Um, that

2098
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 1: might be worth briefly mentioning, but yeah, kind of, let's

2099
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of go around in a circle and give kind

2100
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 1: of everyone's you know, final thoughts on the on the subjects. Um,

2101
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:14,360
Speaker 1: I think collapse is bad, and I think that well,

2102
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's my main my main thing. But anything

2103
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:21,720
Speaker 1: that's appealing to you and on like an ecological level

2104
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 1: that's collapse related to something you should be very wary of.

2105
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,560
Speaker 1: And I think you should be way very wary of,

2106
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: like generally everything. I feel like that's kind of like

2107
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: a butcher, be careful about everything. Um. Yeah, I guess

2108
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion, idea of total collapse is very misleading

2109
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: because it's easy and disasters don't work like that. You're

2110
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:47,960
Speaker 1: not gonna suddenly reset one day. Um, everything is going

2111
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: to suck and you're going to need to fight for

2112
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,560
Speaker 1: whatever semblance of a society that you want to see

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Speaker 1: of people in your city, in your neighborhood. There are

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Speaker 1: Most likely, if not, you can start it. Look at

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Speaker 1: and just like giving out food, talking to the people

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Speaker 1: who are most affective people seriously, if every one is

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Speaker 1: a person, you need to talk to touch graphs to

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Speaker 1: start on any sort of mutual aid work, trying to

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Speaker 1: find a food not bomb chapter in your They're well organized,

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Speaker 1: they're easy to join. You don't have to put on

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Speaker 1: block and fight a cop. It's yeah, it's a good

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Speaker 1: entry point and it's it's great. It's great training for

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Speaker 1: for disaster relief. If you have money and you want

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Speaker 1: to help, seriously, just give pass to on house, people

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Speaker 1: in the street, give money, give money to people, give

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Speaker 1: money directly to people. Yep. Uh. My last thoughts are

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Speaker 1: just that I think the idea of collapse or whether

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Speaker 1: actual collapse themselves, environmental or otherwise, will always be something

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Speaker 1: point as well as motivator from from all for all sides,

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Speaker 1: from all sides, um. But it's like when these things

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Speaker 1: become very silent, like was mentioned before, when they're outside

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Speaker 1: the ideology kind of hits the pavement. Like what is

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Speaker 1: actually going to play out, what is actually gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: and how that's gonna affect people. It's very real. So

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Speaker 1: building community, you know, building connections, um, and just understanding

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Speaker 1: you know, who is in your community. It's probably one

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Speaker 1: of the most important things. Yeah, the idea of collapse

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Speaker 1: is a romantic and ridiculous notion. Uh come up with

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Speaker 1: people who are like really into like apocalyptic thinking and

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Speaker 1: the version of themselves if they get to be the

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Speaker 1: main character. So first and foremost take care of each other.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people out there who want

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Speaker 1: to manipulate you and want to change the way you

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Speaker 1: think about things, and they really really want you to

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Speaker 1: buy in to the end times and you don't have

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Speaker 1: to because you're smarter than that. Yeah, it's it's not hopeless.

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Speaker 1: We really have to move away from hierarchical thinking. Our

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Speaker 1: society really incentivize this hierarchical thinking. And think you're saying

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Speaker 1: to is sack like we um, we really need to

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Speaker 1: just be focusing on people, like if things people because

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody doesn't have to you know, earn you know,

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Speaker 1: respect and earn humanity. For some reason, we try and

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Speaker 1: make it seem like that. But people are people. Um,

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Speaker 1: people are in different circumstances because of usually because of

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Speaker 1: just the way that the world is, and um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you need to just you need to organize locally. You

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Speaker 1: need to help your own people and stay away from

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Speaker 1: the internet. Ship stop posting. Don't stop posting as a

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Speaker 1: stop posting, even though we'll keep doing it because because

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Speaker 1: I'm the good posters. Um, who wants who wants to

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Speaker 1: pluck the pot? You're pought follow at terrorism bad? We're on?

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Speaker 1: That's what? What is the plot? Like? What? What? What

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Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? We go through, um, portrayals of terrorism

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Speaker 1: and extremism and conspiracies and conspiracies in popular media, and

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Speaker 1: we look at it from the perspective of people who

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Speaker 1: studied this and say, did this succeed in portraying these

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Speaker 1: things or did it as more often does problems completely

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Speaker 1: fail and cause us all personal problems become propaganda? And like,

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Speaker 1: did you make care of propaganda or did you make

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Speaker 1: good media about terror? That is a thin line, I

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Speaker 1: mean such a thin line. I've made a career out

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Speaker 1: is that is the thin terror line? Yeah? Do you

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Speaker 1: want to plug your fantastic group? Yeah? Absolutely, with you

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Speaker 1: can read anything I read at Anti Hate dot c

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Speaker 1: A and we do just general reporting on h far

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Speaker 1: right extremism in Canada as well as Infiltration podcast. Oh

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Speaker 1: and I also hosted podcast called The Usual Show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you want to keep up to date on extremism

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Speaker 1: in Canada, their group is one of is probably the

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Speaker 1: best one around right now in my opinions. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do, you do, you do very good work. You

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Speaker 1: keep your eye on my home country where my family lives.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Um, and I'm very happy

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Speaker 1: to be talking with you guys in the beautiful woods

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Speaker 1: where we have no cell service. We can't post um

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Speaker 1: and that's good and we're gonna continue doing that and

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Speaker 1: stop using this microphone. So goodbye. UM Yeah, and terrorism

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Speaker 1: at the podcast. With that, that wraps up the Terrorism

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Speaker 1: round Table Forest Discussion episodes. Thanks for listening to all

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Speaker 1: of us rant about our specific weird niche focuses and

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Speaker 1: hopefully trying to have it within the useful context of

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Speaker 1: climate change. You can follow me at Hungry bow Tie.

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Speaker 1: Zone Media on Twitter and I believe Instagram can follow

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Speaker 1: some of the researchers I interviewed UM on their podcast

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Speaker 1: at Terrorism Bad. So that wraps up this discussion. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening, See you later in the podcasting verse, the

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Speaker 1: I'm not on a thousand percent I want to say

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Speaker 1: problem here the show where I'm a problem? I'm on

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Speaker 1: vacation legally. You're not on vacation allegedly legally, but okay,

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Speaker 1: in La I'm drunk Garrison, You're in charge, now, figure

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Speaker 1: it out. G Hi, it could happen here. Today, we

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Speaker 1: are talking with somebody. If you've listened to the past

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Speaker 1: two episodes, you should actually you know, uh, THEO, who

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Speaker 1: is a journalist and researcher, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: be discussing plans for an upcoming rally in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: That's has a lot of that seems good. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is the things never happened? When, what happened? What happened

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Speaker 1: last time? What happened last time? I don't I I

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Speaker 1: historically only pay attention to things that happened after May

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Speaker 1: and before December, so I'm unaware of anything bad ever

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Speaker 1: happening in DC. Well, something bad stuff happened there last time.

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Speaker 1: It got it got a little spicy, Um, okay, spicy.

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Speaker 1: But it's not like they tried to overthrow the government

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Speaker 1: murder elected leaders, right, that is what they were actually

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Speaker 1: having too much fun. Yeah, they're just boys. They were

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Speaker 1: just proud of their boys. A little carried away building,

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Speaker 1: all of the building, that big hanging contraption whatever it's

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Speaker 1: called gallows gallows. Yeah, anyway, we're talking THEO. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to want to introduce yourself? Yeah, Hey, guys, I'm THEO.

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Speaker 1: UM idealist and a researcher. I'm based out of Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly I end up covering a lot of events in

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Speaker 1: d C because of that, And that's my plans for

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Yeah, do you want to do you want

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Speaker 1: to give us like an overview of what rallies and

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Speaker 1: DC have been like the past, let's say, like the

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Speaker 1: past year. Oh boy do I yeah, let's just for background. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: like pretty much immediately post election, as the whole kind

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Speaker 1: of stop the Steel thing got kicked into gear. UM,

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Speaker 1: November fourteen, there was a rally in d C. UM,

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Speaker 1: and then there was one December twelve, and then there

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Speaker 1: is finally one as most people are probably aware, on

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Speaker 1: January six. Yeah, January six, you know, obviously got the

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Speaker 1: bulk of the media coverage. UM. But November fourteenth and

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Speaker 1: especially December twelve were very violent situations in general. UM,

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Speaker 1: proud boys, General Chud's, a bunch of oathkeepers, bunch of

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Speaker 1: people's confused memas and pat paps showed up. UM would

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Speaker 1: kind of wander around the Yeah yeah they did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty fucked up. I know some people who were

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Speaker 1: there when they did, and it's I don't know, it's sad,

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Speaker 1: like it's really bleak. I was there with the people

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Speaker 1: that you know Yubert, Oh good, yeah, so you I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's so fucking um. I don't know the

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Speaker 1: extent of the disinformation, right, it's hard when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about this to like express a lot sympathy for some

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Speaker 1: of these people. And I'm not sympathetic towards their aims.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to do the New York Times like

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Speaker 1: let's talk to the Trump voter down the street, but

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Speaker 1: like a lot of them are just like they're fucking

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Speaker 1: dumb people who bought into some bullshit and it it

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Speaker 1: destroyed them and their relationships with their families and in

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Speaker 1: some cases cost them their lives. And like you don't

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Speaker 1: have to sympathize with them to be like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: bleak as ship, you know. Yeah, And I think you

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Speaker 1: see that with the dc rallies really more so than

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Speaker 1: like uh Portland's Proud Boy event for example, that is

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Speaker 1: not at all a gathering of like the masses, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a specific group of pieces of ship. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: And like you'd have absolutely like units of Proud Boys

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Speaker 1: or oath keepers. We had three per centers, some local

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Speaker 1: Virginia militias, and they'd kind of be wandering around. But

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Speaker 1: during the day itself, you'd normally see like speakers. Alex

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Speaker 1: Jones was there. Um got to meet him. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: Um good. That's always a treasure meeting Alex. He's a

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Speaker 1: great guy. It was really fun. He's his neck. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to exaggerate how how he is just as red

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Speaker 1: in person. He's so red, and as a guy who's

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Speaker 1: good at strangling, it seems like he would be hard

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Speaker 1: to strangle. Oh, nearly impossible. Like that's so big. It's

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Speaker 1: such like it's like a fucking train car. Like it's

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Speaker 1: ridiculous how big that man's neck is. Look, most people

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Speaker 1: aren't hard to strangle. Alex Jones would be. That's not

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Speaker 1: praising him, that's just being honest. So during the day

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Speaker 1: there would be speakers, you know, Alex Jones, and you

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Speaker 1: kind of see people split up into whatever they're specific

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Speaker 1: brand of fucker he is. There's like groups of nerdy

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Speaker 1: looking gropers. Um, there were some trad cats wearing road

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02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 1: Those guys were fun. But yeah, a lot of it's

2320
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, confused like boomers on Facebook and kind of

2321
02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:05,920
Speaker 1: to Robert's point, like I normally didn't go, you know,

2322
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 1: wearing press credentials because I value knives being outside of

2323
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:11,880
Speaker 1: me and not inside of it. Yeah, it's it's good

2324
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:15,040
Speaker 1: to not get stabbed. Most people appreciate that. Yeah, yeah,

2325
02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:18,320
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite things. And so I'd get

2326
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:20,320
Speaker 1: to like talking to these people, especially the older ones,

2327
02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:22,200
Speaker 1: because I take the Metro into the city and they

2328
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:27,280
Speaker 1: are mean. They're just confused, old people who have gotten

2329
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:30,080
Speaker 1: in over their heads. But yeah, then like the sun

2330
02:14:30,120 --> 02:14:34,160
Speaker 1: would set and that's when the Proud Boys would really

2331
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:41,240
Speaker 1: start getting into ship. November they stabbed. I don't know

2332
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 1: if I'm remembering this correctly, so feel free to fact

2333
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:46,280
Speaker 1: check me, but I believe there was two people on

2334
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:51,960
Speaker 1: the uh they cracked a girl's skull, and then on

2335
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:58,000
Speaker 1: December twelve, they stabbed one other person and Jeremy Bertino

2336
02:14:58,240 --> 02:15:02,080
Speaker 1: got flayed on this. He shared it, He shared it,

2337
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:05,360
Speaker 1: and the f d A elected not to prosecute because

2338
02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:07,840
Speaker 1: that was the clearest case of self defense I have

2339
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:11,680
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Um yeah, so, like, like

2340
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,640
Speaker 1: the dude literally tried to flee three times. He drew

2341
02:15:14,680 --> 02:15:17,160
Speaker 1: his knife after by the third time he was blinded

2342
02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:19,400
Speaker 1: by having a shirt bold and assaulted by a group

2343
02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:22,640
Speaker 1: he had no other choice. Yeah, he did exactly what

2344
02:15:22,680 --> 02:15:26,560
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do in that situation and repeatedly tried

2345
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:28,720
Speaker 1: to flee and when he did, and he stabbed a motherfucker.

2346
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:31,840
Speaker 1: And you can't, I I can't. He did nothing wrong

2347
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:35,440
Speaker 1: in my in my opinion, all the d a's opinion. Yeah,

2348
02:15:35,480 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 1: we're all probably better off for it. But yeah, there's

2349
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: this kind of established Uh, there was this established sort

2350
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:45,680
Speaker 1: of cycle of show up a bunch of weird Republican

2351
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:50,600
Speaker 1: politicians that you've never heard of before, give speeches. Uh,

2352
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:54,520
Speaker 1: you go and kind of wander around, and then the

2353
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:57,960
Speaker 1: Proud Boys come out and they funk around, and sometimes

2354
02:15:57,960 --> 02:16:02,160
Speaker 1: other groups too, like Januine Worry. The night before January six,

2355
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:07,880
Speaker 1: there were people from NSC one who were hanging out,

2356
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:12,280
Speaker 1: trying to cause trouble, getting in altercations all their normal ship.

2357
02:16:13,200 --> 02:16:16,280
Speaker 1: And so yeah, there's this kind of like general mix

2358
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 1: of groups. January six shifted the paradigm on that a lot.

2359
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:22,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's the big thing for this weekend

2360
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:27,840
Speaker 1: is we don't really know it's gonna look like, Yeah,

2361
02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 1: can you talk about kind of what has kind of

2362
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:34,000
Speaker 1: the event promotion looked like from the right, like what

2363
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,360
Speaker 1: have they what messages have they been putting out to

2364
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 1: promote this event with So, yeah, a lot of like

2365
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:45,720
Speaker 1: the bigger groups have been fairly explicitly saying like don't

2366
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:50,960
Speaker 1: go officially. Unofficially is a bit of a different story

2367
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:54,720
Speaker 1: and fairness, It's worth noting that prior to UM the

2368
02:16:55,440 --> 02:16:58,800
Speaker 1: United Rally and Charlottesville, the Proud Boys were saying don't go,

2369
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:01,760
Speaker 1: and an awful lot of their most violent members were

2370
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:05,240
Speaker 1: at Unite the Right in Charlotte'sville. You know, it's some

2371
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:08,560
Speaker 1: some of this is a plausible deniability game. Yeah, So

2372
02:17:08,640 --> 02:17:11,640
Speaker 1: like the official Proud Boys telegram channel was like, oh,

2373
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:13,920
Speaker 1: this is I mean in different words, but we're pretty

2374
02:17:13,959 --> 02:17:16,520
Speaker 1: much like this is a honeypot, this is the trap,

2375
02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:20,360
Speaker 1: this is an op don't go UM. But also like

2376
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:26,760
Speaker 1: we've seen activity that really suggests otherwise UM. Whether it's

2377
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:29,879
Speaker 1: like smaller, more local groups saying that they want to go,

2378
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:36,360
Speaker 1: or UH streamers and journalists using the word lightly to

2379
02:17:36,720 --> 02:17:41,440
Speaker 1: UH who have pretty close relationships with these groups, hiring

2380
02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:45,040
Speaker 1: extra stringers for the weekend, or looking like they're preparing

2381
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:49,039
Speaker 1: to report on something big. Yeah, the kind of the

2382
02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:53,560
Speaker 1: I know, we've talked a little bit um online with

2383
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:58,280
Speaker 1: some of our colleagues, and there's definitely a mixed a mixed,

2384
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:01,240
Speaker 1: a mixed opinion on how big the event is going

2385
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,440
Speaker 1: to be and who's all going to be there and

2386
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:05,280
Speaker 1: what kind of their goal is, which makes kind of

2387
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:08,720
Speaker 1: everything all the more tense because you know, it's almost

2388
02:18:08,720 --> 02:18:10,760
Speaker 1: easier to when we know what it's going to be,

2389
02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:13,000
Speaker 1: like we like we have a good grasp and what's

2390
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and this we're not really sure. Um do

2391
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:18,920
Speaker 1: you do you know, has there been any kind of

2392
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:21,920
Speaker 1: response from like local DC officials, like like law enforcement

2393
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:25,840
Speaker 1: or anything about what they're gonna do at this gathering?

2394
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:29,120
Speaker 1: So I did see Capital Police is planning to put

2395
02:18:29,160 --> 02:18:33,680
Speaker 1: the fence back up. Um probably a good idea, yeah, yeah,

2396
02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:36,520
Speaker 1: which like will cover the capital. But there's also a

2397
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 1: problem with the fence going up, which is the back

2398
02:18:38,720 --> 02:18:43,000
Speaker 1: of the fence goes right up to the end of

2399
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:47,400
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter Plaza in d C, which has

2400
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:50,560
Speaker 1: been used as kind of a rallying point for uh

2401
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:56,080
Speaker 1: anti fascist activists, and when that fence is up, it's

2402
02:18:56,120 --> 02:19:02,160
Speaker 1: just it's a funnel. The so it goes like this

2403
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:05,240
Speaker 1: is an of visual medium. There's a street, uh, and

2404
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:07,520
Speaker 1: that's where Black Lives Matter plause is, And there's only

2405
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:12,200
Speaker 1: two exits, and both those exits lead to hotels that

2406
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:16,080
Speaker 1: proud boys and Chud's love to stay in. So what happens,

2407
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:19,520
Speaker 1: almost without fail is people go and hang out in

2408
02:19:19,560 --> 02:19:22,920
Speaker 1: the plaza. You know, Chud's come down the streets. Police

2409
02:19:22,920 --> 02:19:26,360
Speaker 1: form a line, and it's pretty much a pre made kettle, right,

2410
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:32,240
Speaker 1: So that's like not good. Uh, it's good for the capital,

2411
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:34,200
Speaker 1: but it's not good for the people that will be

2412
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:37,840
Speaker 1: on the ground. Yeah, because they're also as is most

2413
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:41,959
Speaker 1: of these events. UM, there has been some organizing locally

2414
02:19:42,120 --> 02:19:45,080
Speaker 1: and even you know uh and de fashions from around

2415
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of the country trying to like put out advice

2416
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:52,400
Speaker 1: and feelers and like what to do for the specific gathering. UM.

2417
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:54,760
Speaker 1: And I know there's been there's been a decent amount

2418
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:58,000
Speaker 1: of you know, there's there's always like debate and conflict

2419
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,720
Speaker 1: of around how much to show up, where to show up,

2420
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, how proact people should be. UM. But because

2421
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,040
Speaker 1: this is the first big rally since j six, I

2422
02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:11,000
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of people. I feel it's

2423
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,760
Speaker 1: much more important and like the people have like you know,

2424
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:16,400
Speaker 1: there's there's there's like there's like a heightened sense around

2425
02:20:16,400 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 1: the specific thing. Um. Do you know like how many

2426
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:22,400
Speaker 1: people are kind of roughly planning to show up on

2427
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:26,080
Speaker 1: like the anti fascist side. It's really hard to tell,

2428
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:30,520
Speaker 1: um d C anti fascist actions. I've seen, you know,

2429
02:20:31,640 --> 02:20:37,199
Speaker 1: a couple dozen people in block towards close to a hundred.

2430
02:20:37,240 --> 02:20:40,000
Speaker 1: I would um, from what I've heard, the kind of

2431
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:45,600
Speaker 1: main counter demo that's happening is uh, definitely less radical

2432
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,080
Speaker 1: and it's kind of trying to establish sort of a

2433
02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:54,240
Speaker 1: community space thing. Uh. So I would say, I don't know,

2434
02:20:54,879 --> 02:21:02,680
Speaker 1: expect around fifty like people who are there to throw hands, yeah,

2435
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:06,480
Speaker 1: and a lot more people who are just kind of there.

2436
02:21:07,480 --> 02:21:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's this, Uh, it's this thing we saw.

2437
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:14,000
Speaker 1: I was in d C for Unite the Right too,

2438
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, the second rally, and it it didn't turn

2439
02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:20,440
Speaker 1: into much of a thing. You know. I think because

2440
02:21:20,480 --> 02:21:25,160
Speaker 1: of the preparation, the expectation, and I guess I'm interested

2441
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:27,360
Speaker 1: in if you think I'm wrong on this, but my

2442
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:30,640
Speaker 1: current expectation is that maybe that might be the most

2443
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:34,640
Speaker 1: likely outcome because because of the degree of and the

2444
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 1: unexpected event already occurred and was awful. I'm not expecting

2445
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:43,920
Speaker 1: anyone will be given free leash, you know, yeah, I

2446
02:21:43,959 --> 02:21:46,600
Speaker 1: could definitely see that sort of Unite the Right to

2447
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:50,280
Speaker 1: scenario playing out, especially because it is very similar, like

2448
02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:58,000
Speaker 1: there was this massive, shocking event that kind of yeah,

2449
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:00,920
Speaker 1: and so then people will I think the only big

2450
02:22:00,959 --> 02:22:04,800
Speaker 1: difference is, like in the aftermath of Unite the Right,

2451
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:09,600
Speaker 1: you kind of saw at times of misguided media focus,

2452
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:13,920
Speaker 1: but still a media focus on anti fascist activists as

2453
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:18,080
Speaker 1: playing a unique role when you didn't have that for

2454
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:21,200
Speaker 1: January six, And I think that's that's really one of

2455
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:26,560
Speaker 1: my bigger worries is less so kind of clashes between

2456
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:30,280
Speaker 1: chud's and uh anti fascists, which is still I mean,

2457
02:22:30,320 --> 02:22:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's always a thing that may happen, but

2458
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:37,200
Speaker 1: also like you have to think these chuds that are coming,

2459
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:40,800
Speaker 1: when they look at DC police, they see someone, they

2460
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:44,520
Speaker 1: see the people who killed Ashley Babbitt. When the DC

2461
02:22:44,680 --> 02:22:53,680
Speaker 1: police look at these Chudd's, they're the people who beat

2462
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:57,640
Speaker 1: someone beat one of their co workers to death. And

2463
02:22:57,720 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 1: you're like, there's Capital Police not same as DC Metro Police,

2464
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:05,959
Speaker 1: but like in the minds of both these groups. That

2465
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:11,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, and I worry about the tension there.

2466
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:14,720
Speaker 1: I like, I don't care if they mace each other.

2467
02:23:14,840 --> 02:23:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, if the Proud Boys and Cops mace each other,

2468
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:21,840
Speaker 1: then that's a great day for me. But if it

2469
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:27,280
Speaker 1: escalates further, and you know, we're seeing that more and

2470
02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:32,240
Speaker 1: more the past, was it past to kind of major

2471
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:38,400
Speaker 1: right wing rallies in the Pacific Northwest have had shots fired? Yep, yep, yea.

2472
02:23:39,800 --> 02:23:44,400
Speaker 1: Every every reason PW protest has involved gun fire. Yeah,

2473
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:50,440
Speaker 1: and like the one the August one had, I guess,

2474
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:56,000
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it a legitimate change, Yeah,

2475
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:59,720
Speaker 1: a casual gunfight. I mean, the the start of it

2476
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:03,439
Speaker 1: was legitimate. The right winger who fired was not legitimate, um,

2477
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:06,440
Speaker 1: But the two people on the left who responded, we're

2478
02:24:06,440 --> 02:24:09,440
Speaker 1: doing so in self defense. Now, what happened a couple

2479
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:12,400
Speaker 1: of weeks later, from the video that's come out, was

2480
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:15,400
Speaker 1: not self defense. It was a guy shooting at somebody

2481
02:24:15,400 --> 02:24:18,400
Speaker 1: pursuing them from like fifty feet back. You know, it

2482
02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:20,640
Speaker 1: was not legally what you would call self defense for

2483
02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:24,720
Speaker 1: certain Yeah, and that kind of the precedent that that's set,

2484
02:24:26,120 --> 02:24:28,800
Speaker 1: which I think it's happened a few enough times that

2485
02:24:28,840 --> 02:24:32,040
Speaker 1: we can't really say that it's it's the norm or

2486
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:36,600
Speaker 1: anything like that, but it's still it's an escalation. It's

2487
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:41,240
Speaker 1: something absolutely is did Like if that, if that had

2488
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:46,280
Speaker 1: happened in when Unite the Right happened like that would

2489
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:51,000
Speaker 1: have been unprecedented. It's very frightening, you know, and it

2490
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:53,240
Speaker 1: it should be. It doesn't matter what you think about

2491
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:59,279
Speaker 1: the morality of shooting tiny you know or whatever. Exchanges

2492
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:04,760
Speaker 1: of fire becoming more common is a threat to everybody,

2493
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:08,360
Speaker 1: and it is something that should concern everybody. Yeah, I mean,

2494
02:25:08,360 --> 02:25:10,520
Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of and this was kind

2495
02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:14,040
Speaker 1: of the impetus of the first season of it could

2496
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:17,879
Speaker 1: happen here, but like the early days of something like

2497
02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:21,080
Speaker 1: the Syrians of Award where it went from protests to

2498
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:26,640
Speaker 1: exchanges of gunfire too. You know what it is. Now

2499
02:25:28,400 --> 02:25:33,000
Speaker 1: do you think DC specific gun laws um will make

2500
02:25:33,320 --> 02:25:35,800
Speaker 1: gunfire in DC a little bit less likely? Do you think?

2501
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't? Like? Still like the police always have that

2502
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:41,400
Speaker 1: capacity if they feel, um, you know, if if they

2503
02:25:41,480 --> 02:25:44,600
Speaker 1: choose to, but more specific on like the right between people,

2504
02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like no boogs are going to

2505
02:25:46,320 --> 02:25:49,520
Speaker 1: show up or whatever. Um, what kind of talk do

2506
02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:54,440
Speaker 1: you see around firearms? So yeah, kind of just from experience,

2507
02:25:54,520 --> 02:25:58,520
Speaker 1: I think my worry with DC's gun laws is only

2508
02:25:58,640 --> 02:26:02,600
Speaker 1: one side will be armed every time that Chedd's come

2509
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:06,200
Speaker 1: to d C. I mean they are obviously carrying. I mean,

2510
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:09,840
Speaker 1: every single one of them is print is printing. You

2511
02:26:09,879 --> 02:26:13,760
Speaker 1: can tell that they have firearms on them. They don't

2512
02:26:13,800 --> 02:26:16,800
Speaker 1: really try to hide it, and none of them have

2513
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:20,879
Speaker 1: ever I mean, I guess apart from Tario getting arrested

2514
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:25,199
Speaker 1: for illegal magazines, like, none of them have really faced

2515
02:26:25,240 --> 02:26:31,080
Speaker 1: any consequences for that. And the general fear among people

2516
02:26:31,080 --> 02:26:35,000
Speaker 1: on the left is well, even if I do come

2517
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:38,320
Speaker 1: and I carry for self defense, if I get arrested

2518
02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:44,520
Speaker 1: for something unrelated, that will enhance whatever charges I get. Yeah. No,

2519
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:49,240
Speaker 1: it's sketchy and it's Um, I don't I'm not convinced

2520
02:26:49,360 --> 02:26:52,560
Speaker 1: in the situation d C is in specifically, that showing

2521
02:26:52,720 --> 02:26:55,879
Speaker 1: up with a fucking firearm is the right call. You know,

2522
02:26:56,120 --> 02:26:58,119
Speaker 1: I'm not in this business to lecture people, but I'm

2523
02:26:58,120 --> 02:27:01,440
Speaker 1: not convinced that's going to help. In the Pacific Northwest,

2524
02:27:01,440 --> 02:27:04,200
Speaker 1: we've seen situations where people with weapons, as on the

2525
02:27:04,200 --> 02:27:08,720
Speaker 1: twenty two defended themselves and others. And we've seen situations

2526
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 1: in which people on the web with weapons on the

2527
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:13,600
Speaker 1: left escalated things. So it's not a it's never a

2528
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:15,920
Speaker 1: zero sum game, you know, it's not. It's not a

2529
02:27:15,959 --> 02:27:21,200
Speaker 1: simple issue. Is a neutral tool, you know. Yeah, And

2530
02:27:21,240 --> 02:27:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to, like, I don't want it to

2531
02:27:23,360 --> 02:27:26,480
Speaker 1: come off like I'm encouraging, you know, every person in

2532
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:30,600
Speaker 1: block to show up with a long gun like that,

2533
02:27:30,760 --> 02:27:34,960
Speaker 1: because that would be a fucking disaster most likely. But

2534
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:39,640
Speaker 1: also like, I don't like the idea of, you know,

2535
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:42,520
Speaker 1: looking at a line of Proud Boys or something and

2536
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:44,920
Speaker 1: knowing every single one of these people has a gun,

2537
02:27:45,720 --> 02:27:51,200
Speaker 1: and I do not. That's an imbalance of force that

2538
02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't like when things, if things do escalate. No,

2539
02:27:55,320 --> 02:28:00,360
Speaker 1: that that's completely reasonable in my opinion. But I mean,

2540
02:28:00,400 --> 02:28:04,640
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is just there's so many unknowns. Uh,

2541
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, we've never really there's not much of a

2542
02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:14,160
Speaker 1: historical precedent for group tries to overthrow the government, group

2543
02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:19,840
Speaker 1: shows back up in d C months later, or elements

2544
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:24,879
Speaker 1: of the same kind of ideology. Yeah, we just don't know.

2545
02:28:24,959 --> 02:28:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, even like I think that Unite the Right

2546
02:28:27,480 --> 02:28:34,480
Speaker 1: to example is similar, but also like markedly different enough

2547
02:28:35,400 --> 02:28:39,080
Speaker 1: that I don't know if it's an all encompassing tool

2548
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:42,760
Speaker 1: for like this is what it's gonna look like. Yeah,

2549
02:28:42,879 --> 02:28:46,400
Speaker 1: is there any like specific players that you know is

2550
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:48,400
Speaker 1: going to show up or or have like said that

2551
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:52,280
Speaker 1: they're going to show up. So one that I kind

2552
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:56,640
Speaker 1: of worry about is, um, oh, I'm gonna get fucking

2553
02:28:56,640 --> 02:29:00,000
Speaker 1: tweets for this, God damnit. Um. So there's a group

2554
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:03,360
Speaker 1: in Virginia that you may have heard of, b LM

2555
02:29:03,480 --> 02:29:09,160
Speaker 1: seven five seven. Yeah, I know you're talking about. Yeah. Uh.

2556
02:29:09,480 --> 02:29:13,879
Speaker 1: They are based out of the Virginia Beach area and

2557
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:17,200
Speaker 1: they're the biggest pain in the ass ever um they

2558
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:21,280
Speaker 1: work with. They claim to be a Black Lives Matter organization.

2559
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:25,840
Speaker 1: The local Black Lives Matter organizations have to announced them.

2560
02:29:25,879 --> 02:29:28,640
Speaker 1: They work with Boogloo boys. They were very tight with

2561
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:32,320
Speaker 1: Mike Dunn before he uh snitched and roped off the

2562
02:29:32,320 --> 02:29:38,320
Speaker 1: face of the earth. Yeah. Um. And then yeah, they

2563
02:29:38,440 --> 02:29:41,760
Speaker 1: come and I don't like the idea of them coming

2564
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:43,960
Speaker 1: to a town that is not familiar with them, because

2565
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:48,240
Speaker 1: like they come to Richmond, for example, and people are like, oh,

2566
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:52,440
Speaker 1: there's b l M seven seven. We don't funk with them.

2567
02:29:52,480 --> 02:29:54,360
Speaker 1: But they come. You know, they come to a town

2568
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:56,840
Speaker 1: or groups like this like uh n f a C.

2569
02:29:57,040 --> 02:29:59,959
Speaker 1: Theyre not not fucking around. Coalition tried to come to

2570
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:05,680
Speaker 1: d C, and I these groups that are gonna be armed,

2571
02:30:05,720 --> 02:30:07,760
Speaker 1: are gonna want to escalate and are gonna kind of

2572
02:30:08,520 --> 02:30:13,200
Speaker 1: try to slide in to like a counter demo or

2573
02:30:14,520 --> 02:30:18,039
Speaker 1: stick around like the more left leaning parts of the crowd,

2574
02:30:18,840 --> 02:30:22,600
Speaker 1: and then could very quickly escalate things. So they're one

2575
02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that I'm worried about. Some local Virginia Militia Movement players

2576
02:30:30,360 --> 02:30:33,800
Speaker 1: have been chatting about it. I haven't seen really that

2577
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:37,720
Speaker 1: much in the way of like definitive statements that they're

2578
02:30:37,720 --> 02:30:41,400
Speaker 1: gonna go um and those guys don't really worry me.

2579
02:30:41,959 --> 02:30:44,840
Speaker 1: There a bunch of nerds who like to play dress

2580
02:30:44,920 --> 02:30:49,160
Speaker 1: up in the woods mostly. But yeah, it's again, it's

2581
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:52,039
Speaker 1: just like these kind of unknowns. Yeah, so just like

2582
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:53,920
Speaker 1: not knowing who's going to show up and what they're

2583
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:57,640
Speaker 1: gonna do and where'll they're be and yeah, yeah, like

2584
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:02,120
Speaker 1: and this was a thing. Definitely. It reminds me a

2585
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:06,160
Speaker 1: lot of the first stop, the Steel Rally, where we

2586
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:10,760
Speaker 1: had more concrete groups saying we're gonna be there. There's

2587
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:12,720
Speaker 1: a lot of more chatter about it on social media,

2588
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:15,360
Speaker 1: but it was still kind of like I don't know

2589
02:31:15,480 --> 02:31:19,120
Speaker 1: like what range of the sort of right wing ideological

2590
02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:21,560
Speaker 1: spectrum will be here, Like I know, you know Q

2591
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:23,920
Speaker 1: and on your Q and on uncle will be there.

2592
02:31:25,080 --> 02:31:30,680
Speaker 1: But like, for example, on November four, uh, Jason Kessler

2593
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:33,640
Speaker 1: was there, the organizer of Unite the Right. I literally

2594
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:38,720
Speaker 1: bumped into Jason Kessler, like I was walking and my

2595
02:31:38,760 --> 02:31:42,200
Speaker 1: shoulder hit him and I looked up and I was like, oh, sorry, dude,

2596
02:31:42,280 --> 02:31:45,039
Speaker 1: and then I just kind of stopped and I was like, oh, ship,

2597
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:51,840
Speaker 1: I recognize you. Yeah, you're that famous piece of ship. Yeah.

2598
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:53,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, So like it's kind of that same thing

2599
02:31:53,879 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 1: where we don't we really just don't have that much intel,

2600
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:03,360
Speaker 1: and it seems like, you know, people with access to

2601
02:32:04,400 --> 02:32:07,200
Speaker 1: more streams of information than us, like the FEDS have

2602
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:11,360
Speaker 1: been saying for I guess a couple of months now,

2603
02:32:11,480 --> 02:32:17,160
Speaker 1: like we're monitoring this situation where like preparing to stop

2604
02:32:17,480 --> 02:32:20,680
Speaker 1: another January six, which take it with a grain of salt.

2605
02:32:20,879 --> 02:32:25,560
Speaker 1: It is the FEDS, but also like part of me,

2606
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:28,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the worry I get from this is

2607
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:34,320
Speaker 1: people that I know no more than I do, reacting

2608
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:38,800
Speaker 1: to it like chud streamers hiring stringers, FEDS saying like

2609
02:32:38,879 --> 02:32:43,080
Speaker 1: announcing months before that it's a situation that they're preparing for.

2610
02:32:44,879 --> 02:32:46,520
Speaker 1: A lot of people are very interested in what's going

2611
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:48,880
Speaker 1: to happen. I think people are definitely preparing for a

2612
02:32:48,959 --> 02:32:52,760
Speaker 1: lot of different different outcomes, and that makes any kind

2613
02:32:52,760 --> 02:32:55,200
Speaker 1: of resistance to it hard because you don't know if

2614
02:32:55,240 --> 02:32:57,960
Speaker 1: you're over if you're over preparing, under preparing, You don't

2615
02:32:57,959 --> 02:32:59,920
Speaker 1: know if you'll have what you'll do. Your prepary to

2616
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:03,400
Speaker 1: it is too aggressive and not aggressive enough. Yeah, yeah,

2617
02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:05,560
Speaker 1: and always trying to like you know, feel it out

2618
02:33:05,640 --> 02:33:08,280
Speaker 1: once you're there is more scary because once you're there

2619
02:33:08,280 --> 02:33:12,160
Speaker 1: in person, a lot of communications breakdown between other you know,

2620
02:33:12,200 --> 02:33:14,200
Speaker 1: other activists that that's what happened in like the last

2621
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:17,040
Speaker 1: big rally in Portland is people try to know change

2622
02:33:17,080 --> 02:33:19,280
Speaker 1: up plans once they got to the spot, and it

2623
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:22,039
Speaker 1: kind of made everything a lot a lot more challenging

2624
02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:23,640
Speaker 1: because it's hard to a lot of a lot of

2625
02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:26,000
Speaker 1: people in block don't have their phone on them. It's

2626
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:27,880
Speaker 1: just it's hard to get ride. It's you know, any

2627
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:30,720
Speaker 1: kind of any kind of impromptu organizing at the site.

2628
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:33,200
Speaker 1: It's always gonna be way more challenged than trying to

2629
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,200
Speaker 1: figure this stuff out at home. And yeah, that's just

2630
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:38,879
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, it's it's I think I

2631
02:33:38,879 --> 02:33:42,400
Speaker 1: think the United the right to background is useful for

2632
02:33:42,480 --> 02:33:45,960
Speaker 1: like a big event after you know, a previous event

2633
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:48,400
Speaker 1: that had a lot of coverage and had a lot

2634
02:33:48,400 --> 02:33:51,240
Speaker 1: of talk about it because it had, you know, a

2635
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:54,120
Speaker 1: disastrous outcome. And then I think looking at you know,

2636
02:33:54,680 --> 02:33:58,640
Speaker 1: looking at November fourteen in December ten, um are also

2637
02:33:58,959 --> 02:34:01,960
Speaker 1: are also kind of val able indicators. Has there been

2638
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:04,800
Speaker 1: any have you seen anything around the grapers or like

2639
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:08,040
Speaker 1: any of the Fuentes crew showing up to this or

2640
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:09,920
Speaker 1: they are they trying to just are they are they

2641
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:13,840
Speaker 1: trying to like keep good optics? I guess I've as

2642
02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:16,440
Speaker 1: far as I've seen, they're mostly trying to keep good

2643
02:34:16,440 --> 02:34:20,959
Speaker 1: optics around us. Um they as they also kind of

2644
02:34:20,959 --> 02:34:25,000
Speaker 1: fall into the category of like people I'm not super

2645
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:30,800
Speaker 1: worried about like some of them. Yeah, but in like

2646
02:34:30,840 --> 02:34:33,600
Speaker 1: a street fight situation, in a street fight less so

2647
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about a groper. Yeah, the most violent

2648
02:34:39,440 --> 02:34:42,000
Speaker 1: encounter I've ever had with a groper was one that

2649
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:45,800
Speaker 1: was probably five ft tall. Following me around and calling

2650
02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:48,240
Speaker 1: me a soy boy for thirty minutes. Yeah. But what

2651
02:34:48,280 --> 02:34:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about is is Graper is kind of

2652
02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:55,560
Speaker 1: following the in CeAl terrorism tradition of you know, skinny

2653
02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:58,480
Speaker 1: of skinny white guys getting access to weapons and than

2654
02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:03,520
Speaker 1: than doing something uh not with the gun is dangerous. Yeah. Yeah,

2655
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:09,160
Speaker 1: and they're not going yeah here finished what you were saying. Yeah,

2656
02:35:09,160 --> 02:35:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, you know, all all of the

2657
02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Grapers I've seen, they're not going to beat me in

2658
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:17,400
Speaker 1: a fist fight because they're all even even more they're

2659
02:35:17,480 --> 02:35:21,000
Speaker 1: not even more like because your fastest ship. But yeah,

2660
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:24,480
Speaker 1: and and that and that. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's

2661
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of another thing that's you know, it's always a

2662
02:35:28,120 --> 02:35:31,440
Speaker 1: possibility of these things. Like I always say, like the

2663
02:35:31,480 --> 02:35:35,400
Speaker 1: worst possible outcome is someone someone starts shooting, like a

2664
02:35:35,480 --> 02:35:38,680
Speaker 1: firefight is always the worst way this could go. But

2665
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:46,160
Speaker 1: with the sort of optics surrounding this, I I think

2666
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:54,520
Speaker 1: there's definitely space for more extreme people, uh specifically more

2667
02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:59,480
Speaker 1: accelerationist minded people to try to start something, to try

2668
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,720
Speaker 1: to cause ship. I mean, uh, like I said, I'm

2669
02:36:02,760 --> 02:36:08,840
Speaker 1: in Virginia. I think of the Richmond gun rally in

2670
02:36:09,080 --> 02:36:14,680
Speaker 1: the lobby day in what was that twenty nineteen beginning

2671
02:36:14,720 --> 02:36:19,640
Speaker 1: of I Forget all Time is a flat circle to

2672
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:22,840
Speaker 1: me now, but um, the members of the base that

2673
02:36:22,879 --> 02:36:26,960
Speaker 1: we're intercepted on their way to Richmond. Uh. I think

2674
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:33,720
Speaker 1: about that situation and how other people and other groups

2675
02:36:34,360 --> 02:36:39,520
Speaker 1: that we will not talk about on POD could see

2676
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:42,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity here. Yeah, And I think that's I think

2677
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that's more likely happening in somewhere like DC than it

2678
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,640
Speaker 1: is in Portland's right, because in Portland we have a

2679
02:36:47,640 --> 02:36:51,720
Speaker 1: pretty good grip on who shows up and why they

2680
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:57,480
Speaker 1: show up. The East coast, the south, um, northeast, Southeast,

2681
02:36:57,760 --> 02:37:01,240
Speaker 1: they have a lot more groups with interested with you know,

2682
02:37:01,320 --> 02:37:05,320
Speaker 1: obscure ideologies that are more think more prone to those

2683
02:37:05,360 --> 02:37:08,879
Speaker 1: types of to those types of like um, more insurgent attacks.

2684
02:37:08,879 --> 02:37:11,800
Speaker 1: And I think people are on the West coast. Yeah.

2685
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:14,960
Speaker 1: And I think another thing that kind of amplifies that is,

2686
02:37:15,720 --> 02:37:20,360
Speaker 1: like you said, like Portland has kind of an established

2687
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:28,320
Speaker 1: infrastructure of chud fuckery, you know. I mean, I'm on

2688
02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:30,520
Speaker 1: the other side of the country and I know the

2689
02:37:30,600 --> 02:37:36,879
Speaker 1: familiar faces of Portland's bullshit, and we we do have

2690
02:37:36,959 --> 02:37:40,959
Speaker 1: that to an extent, but d C brings people from

2691
02:37:41,000 --> 02:37:44,800
Speaker 1: all across the country. I was meeting people on the

2692
02:37:44,840 --> 02:37:51,200
Speaker 1: metro from everywhere from Tennessee to Kansas to California. And

2693
02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:54,800
Speaker 1: when people are coming in from such a broad range

2694
02:37:54,800 --> 02:38:00,800
Speaker 1: of places, there's a lot more uncertainty. Yeah, well, I'm

2695
02:38:00,800 --> 02:38:03,360
Speaker 1: not sure and anything else you want to mention about

2696
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:05,720
Speaker 1: kind of what you expect at this rally and any

2697
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know general advice has since you've been at

2698
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:11,840
Speaker 1: the past three versions. Yeah, so, I mean, if you're

2699
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:16,400
Speaker 1: in the DC area or you're nearby, and you're comfortable

2700
02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:22,880
Speaker 1: with it and physically able to do so, I show up. Um.

2701
02:38:23,080 --> 02:38:26,199
Speaker 1: The one thing that we do know for sure about

2702
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:31,000
Speaker 1: these events is that the more bodies we have, the

2703
02:38:31,200 --> 02:38:34,960
Speaker 1: less likely it is for people to be able to

2704
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:40,560
Speaker 1: pray on someone walking home from work or houseless person

2705
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:45,160
Speaker 1: just trying to sleep. Yeah, the more bodies that we have,

2706
02:38:45,320 --> 02:38:50,640
Speaker 1: the better it is. Um. If you are either unable

2707
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:54,800
Speaker 1: to come or you don't feel comfortable coming, I know

2708
02:38:54,959 --> 02:39:00,000
Speaker 1: that there will be jail support mutual aid efforts UH

2709
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:03,280
Speaker 1: and Garrison. I can send you to some links to

2710
02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:07,600
Speaker 1: local d C orgs if you want to throw it

2711
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in the show. Notes. Um. But yeah, just and if

2712
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:18,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, be prepared, have have a buddy, uh

2713
02:39:18,480 --> 02:39:23,120
Speaker 1: lock up, bring h bringing I FAK, and get ready

2714
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:26,440
Speaker 1: to party. Yeah. I think that's one of the things

2715
02:39:26,440 --> 02:39:29,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned is like more numbers helps in the case

2716
02:39:29,640 --> 02:39:33,320
Speaker 1: of it's less likely they'll be like roaming attacks, because

2717
02:39:33,320 --> 02:39:35,320
Speaker 1: that's what we've seen at a lot of these rallies

2718
02:39:35,360 --> 02:39:38,959
Speaker 1: is that sometimes they don't ever like actually cause trouble

2719
02:39:39,200 --> 02:39:41,840
Speaker 1: at where people are, you know, like where the where

2720
02:39:41,840 --> 02:39:44,320
Speaker 1: the people are. They wait until people are walking away

2721
02:39:44,400 --> 02:39:46,600
Speaker 1: or going back to their car, or if there's no

2722
02:39:46,600 --> 02:39:48,840
Speaker 1: one like that, they just find some random person on

2723
02:39:48,879 --> 02:39:50,400
Speaker 1: the street. You know. We saw a lot of that

2724
02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:53,560
Speaker 1: in d C of of Proud Boys just finding kind

2725
02:39:53,560 --> 02:39:55,959
Speaker 1: of people in the area that they thought looked like

2726
02:39:56,040 --> 02:40:00,160
Speaker 1: Antifa quote unquote and then just attacking them. Um. So know,

2727
02:40:00,400 --> 02:40:04,240
Speaker 1: the less scattered people are, um, the less likely to

2728
02:40:04,360 --> 02:40:09,000
Speaker 1: get kind of those roaming attacks. Yeah, I think. I mean,

2729
02:40:09,080 --> 02:40:10,720
Speaker 1: it's it's always hard to speculate on the event on

2730
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:13,959
Speaker 1: an event that hasn't happened yet, but I believe by

2731
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:16,080
Speaker 1: the time, by the time the airs, it will be

2732
02:40:16,160 --> 02:40:20,240
Speaker 1: happening tomorrow. So as Saturday, THEO do you want to

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Speaker 1: plug anything? Yeah, you can find me on Twitter. Um

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Speaker 1: at THEO Hansen, THEO with a zero. Uh. Listen to

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Speaker 1: to the real world. Um, trying to think of anything else.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there on Saturday. I'll be live tweeting the event.

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Speaker 1: I'm not live tweeting that dead or otherwise incapacitated or

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Speaker 1: I don't have cell service. Service is always horrible at

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Speaker 1: these things. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, it's a constant problem. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They were blocking signals on January six on the Capitol lawn,

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Speaker 1: and when I stepped off, I had like thirteen texts

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Speaker 1: from all my friends that were like, hey, text me

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Speaker 1: if you're still alive. It's really hard to tell what's

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Speaker 1: it's somebody like targeting you in particular, it's frustrating. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, thank you, cl thank you for giving

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Speaker 1: us the rundown on Saturday's activities. UM, I hope you

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Speaker 1: don't get shot, Thank you. I hope I do not

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Speaker 1: as well. That's my general feeling towards anyone who shows

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Speaker 1: up on uh, you know, on the eighteenth in d C.

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Speaker 1: I hope you don't get shot. Do your best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if you do get shot, you know what to

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Speaker 1: do about it? Well? Yeah, I have a have a

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Speaker 1: have a care a minute, you know, have some cell locks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's ideal, But not getting shot is better. So you

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Speaker 1: cannot remember what Try not to get shot, all right.

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