1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody recording from the bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: it is amazing that we are still reeling, still reeling 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: from the first bombshell hearing for the one six House Commission. 5 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that this country is so 6 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: fucking wild. Like I forgive me because I'm stalling in 7 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: my brain right now, just trying to think about what 8 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: part I want to start with first. But here's what 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: I will say. I'll start off with this Fox News 10 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: not playing the insurrection and not only not playing it 11 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: with sound, but doing their whole you know, livetime maneuvering 12 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: and editing to try and shelter their audiences from reality, right, 13 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: and then having the audacity of that piece of shit 14 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson going on and saying, Oh, this is just 15 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: all propaganda. You're the only network. And I know that 16 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: you guys think that it's like a badge of honor 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: to be the only network that isn't covering reality because 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: you're so terrified right of what it is that your 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: viewers are going to think that you have to think 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: for them, that you have to shield them because they 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: are a bunch of radicalized children, and God knows what 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: they will do or what they will say when you 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: start to create a monster, and then eventually that monster 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: will turn on you. It is only a matter of time. 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: But now I just want to go to the contents 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: of what it is that we saw. First of all, 27 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: to see these video images at these at these different endles, 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: to see the brutality, to see the force with which 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: this white domestic terrorist mob took and descended upon our 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: capital building, and watching the faces of these capital police 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: officers is particularly the one that gave her testimony. The 32 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Republican Party is supposed to be the party that believes 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: in blue lives, that believes in the military, But I 34 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: realize that everything about them is as fraudulent as Fox News. 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: Everything is just about like they think that patriotism is 36 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: going to Old Navy the day before the fourth of 37 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: July and getting themselves donned in had to tow American 38 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: flag gear. That's to the extent of their understanding of 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: patriotism and the Republican Party. They don't understand at all 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: the Constitution, the context of it democracy, and what democracy 41 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: is actually supposed to look like, which is that Hey, 42 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: you vote, your candidate doesn't win, you say, oh that sucks. 43 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: You go back, you figure out what it is that 44 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: you need to do to engage the American public. You 45 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: do that, and then you get another bite at the apple. 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: You don't do what Donald Trump did, which would say, nah, 47 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm just not going to leave, spread an 48 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: entire lie, put up over sixty court cases that get 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: laughed out of court, and then when that doesn't work, 50 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: create your own militia and then have them descend upon 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: the Capitol Building in search of your vice president, who 52 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: you believe is treasonist because he refuses to go along 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: with the big lie, as does your own fucking daughter, 54 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, and the entire circle of people around 55 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: you who said you lost right. I just don't understand 56 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: like the character of these people, and they just they 57 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: don't have any And I guess that's what gets me 58 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: to this place is that we continue to refer to 59 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Republicans as if they are a legitimate political party, as 60 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: if all that they have is a difference in ideology. 61 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: This is not about a difference in ideology between two groups. 62 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: This is about one that refuses to deal with reality 63 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: and instead creates their own is terrified of people of color, 64 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: and the fear extends so greatly to the shifting demographic 65 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: that you foresee that all you need to do is 66 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: descend upon these communities with abject violence, have the courts 67 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: in your pocket, and then all is going to go. Well. 68 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking around this place and I'm saying, America is 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: a fucking tinderbox, and we are about one step away 70 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: from just a full out blown civil war. And you know, 71 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that these people, if in fact, they 72 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: will ever be reflected, reflection, ever reflect excuse me over 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: what it is that they have sided with, if any 74 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: of them will ever have an epiphany, Like I didn't 75 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: know that you could get brainwashed into a cult. And 76 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't even want to say that they're brainwashed, because Frank, 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't allow them to hold responsibility for the decisions 78 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: that they're making. You know, I did TV over the weekend, 79 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: and you know, Katie Fang on MSNBC, she said, you know, 80 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: do you think that Liz Cheney, who voted with Donald 81 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: Trump ninety percent of the time, is going to be 82 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: remembered in history as this great person of courage? And 83 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: I said, here's The thing that pisces me off is 84 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: that Liz Cheney actually agrees with every single abysmal, racist, misogynistic, 85 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, anti American policy that Donald Trump put forth. 86 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: The only thing that she didn't agree with was that 87 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: our election was stolen, and for that she was turned 88 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: into an incredible villain. This bitch is a Cheney, do 89 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, how is 90 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: history going to remember her the way that we remember 91 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: everyone in history, regardless of how terrible they were, how 92 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: horrible their parents were, all of their connections to the 93 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: demise of our democracy into limiting the voice of the people. 94 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: She'll be remembered as a hero if, in fact, by 95 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: then we have history books that tell the truth at all. So, 96 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: you know, I want to applaud on one hand, you know, 97 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney for what grasping reality, But at the same time, 98 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, Liz Chaney was terrible for America, right, Like, 99 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: she has not done good for this country outside of 100 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: this one thing. But our attention spans are short and 101 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: our memories even shorter, which is why you know, I 102 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: hope that the one six House Commission goes out with 103 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: the same energy that they came in with meaning that 104 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: I hope that the closing it's in primetime at seven pm. 105 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: You know, today's edition is going to be at ten 106 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: in the morning where people work. So I'm just like, again, 107 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: do this thing right, Have it, you know, not every night, 108 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: but have it weekly seven pm for the next you know, 109 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: six weeks or however many weeks that it's supposed to be. 110 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: But do it in primetime, and do it when people 111 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: are sitting down with their families at home and everyone 112 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: can gather around and then pummel it all of the 113 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: days in between on social media, on radio, on every 114 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: single television show, on every single network. It's the most 115 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: important thing that people should be watching right now, right. 116 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: And so where it leads us, folks, I still don't know. 117 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Our friend Glenn Kirshner is coming up next and he's 118 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: going to walk us through everything that we saw why 119 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: it is important in what he believes that the Department 120 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: of Justice will be doing. But I don't know. I 121 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: will say that it was jaw dropping, right, jaw dropping. 122 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: The fact that we know that the oath Keepers and 123 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys met ahead of time, the fact that 124 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: they weren't even in attendance at the President's speech at 125 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: that time because they were getting ready to lay out 126 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: their plan to take over the Capitol Building. Right, Donald 127 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Trump absent for a hundred and eighty seven minutes and 128 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Vice President Pence is acting as president calling on the 129 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: National Guard. What is Donald Trump doing for one hundred 130 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: and eighty seven minutes? Well, I said on Amin Mohadean 131 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,559 Speaker 1: show that Donald Trump wasn't in charge of the White 132 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: House or America for that matter, in that one hundred 133 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: and eighty seven minutes, because he was leading the insurrection 134 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: from inside of the White House. Right, people like, what 135 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: was Donald Trump doing? He was in coordination. I am 136 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure with the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys, 137 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, the group that he told to stand back 138 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: and stand by and who after saying such. What we 139 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: learned from the first hearing is that membership within those 140 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: organizations tripled after Donald Trump called them into arms and 141 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: into action. So you know, when we say, oh, well, 142 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: we have to prove in the court of law this 143 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: that and the other thing, I mean, this country throws 144 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: innocent black and brown people in jail all the fucking 145 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: time for life sentences for shit that they did not do. 146 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: So you are telling me that again once again, for 147 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: a wealthy white man who is powerful, the burden of 148 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: proof is outside of our stratosphere. Donald Trump told these 149 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: people after his entire inner circle told him that he 150 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: lost the election well before January sixth, decided that he 151 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: was going to continue spreading this lie. He knew, he knew, 152 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: and how do you tell him? Because his Attorney general 153 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: told him, his polster told him, his own family members 154 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: told him that he lost. He just refused not to 155 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: believe it right, but to accept it. And those, to me, 156 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: are two different fucking things. Donald Trump didn't choose to 157 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: believe it because he believed an alternative thing. No, he 158 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: refused to accept those results. And I think that that's 159 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: the language that needs to have a shift here. I 160 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: just am tired of living in this alarmed state where 161 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,359 Speaker 1: I'm wondering whether or not everyone is just in cahoots 162 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: and the only people who aren't right are those of 163 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: us that are black and brown, low income, or from 164 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: other marginalized groups. We're the ones that are not in 165 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: on the joke. Because I'm like, is the Department of 166 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: Justice just waiting for this documentary series to be finished? 167 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: And then they're going to rain down with indictments. Because 168 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, the twenty million Americans, and that's 169 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: not even the real number. That's just the Nielsen number 170 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: of like one screen in one home. You're not talking 171 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,359 Speaker 1: about the people that were watching on streaming. I guarantee 172 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: you that that number of people that viewed the first 173 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: day of the hearing is much higher. They saw all 174 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: of the evidence, all of these things unfold, and you're 175 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: going to tell me that everyone is just going to 176 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: accept the fact the Department of Justice isn't going to 177 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: do anything with the actual architect. Donald Trump, I think 178 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: that you're setting up more dangerous precedent than investigating and 179 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: indicting a former president. So we will see. Coming up next, 180 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner about the first 181 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: first installment of this very long summertime series Blockbuster Hit Insurrection. 182 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Who Done It? Hey, I'm David. Plots of Slights Political Gabfest. 183 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: As another election season accelerates, it can be tricky to 184 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: sort through all the noise and the news. 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The first 208 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: public hearing episode one of America's reminder of the insurrection. 209 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Give us everything about what it is you saw picked 210 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: up and is this just infotainment or is it going 211 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: to turn into something of substance like charges if Daniel. 212 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Last night was a phenomenal opening statement that the jury 213 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: heard of. The jury, of course, is the people. To 214 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: the extent we the people tuned in, and I think 215 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: a lot of folks did. It was a remarkable opening 216 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: statement setting out the evidence that the J six Committee 217 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: has amassed, showing that Donald Trump was at the center 218 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: of this conspiracy. That's what Representative Thompson said, That's what 219 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,479 Speaker 1: Representative Cheney said. They said it was a sprawling, multiple 220 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: step conspiracy to deny the voters of America. And what 221 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I was most surprised by was that the evidence we 222 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: saw last night, through the video clips of witnesses, they 223 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: were almost exclusively Republicans. They're going to prove this case 224 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: in large part with the voices and the testimony and 225 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: the evidence provided by Republicans. That help helps draw the 226 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: sting out of the criticism that will come that this 227 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: is just partisan politics. You know who the first witness 228 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: we saw a clip of what Bill Barr. I didn't 229 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: expect that. Bill Barr. They put him up there, and 230 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: I will go with the unredacted version, even though I 231 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: don't ordinarily cuss on TV or on podcast. He said, 232 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I told the President his claims of election fraud were bullshit, 233 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and I told him over and over again. The reason 234 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: it was so important that they start with that was one, 235 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: that's incriminating evidence from his own attorney general. And two, 236 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: it provides direct evidence of the only minimally open question 237 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: we have. It's really alcohol. It a foe open question. 238 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: Did Donald Trump do all this with corrupt intent, with 239 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: a guilty state of mind, with criminal men's raeth, Yes 240 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: he did. And Bill Barr, right at the beginning of 241 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: the hearings told you he did. And then they continued 242 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: to play clips but incriminating clips by Jason Miller and 243 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: Alex Cannon who knews who Alex Cannon was a Republican 244 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: poster who walked in and pull Trump your loss and 245 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Mark Short and you know all of these Republicans who 246 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: are proving the case against Donald Trump and Ivanka of 247 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: all people. They played a clip of Ivanka saying, I'm 248 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: going to paraphrase here, I believed Bill Barr. I did 249 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: not believe my father. No, that was the only clip 250 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: they played of her. They were asked. They were asking 251 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: her and videotaped testimony. You know, what did you make 252 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: of Bill Barr, you know, contradicting your father and saying 253 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: the election was not stolen, was not fraudulent. And she said, yeah, 254 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: I took to her what Bill Barr said. In other words, 255 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I didn't believe. And of course Trump has now truth social, 256 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: not tweeted, but truth social. I call it sending out 257 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: a lie, not a tweet. But when you do it, 258 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: when Trump doesn't, you lie something out on truth social. 259 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: And he threw Ivanka under the bus. Ivanka Trump had 260 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: checked out, she didn't know, blah blah, blah blah. She's 261 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: just trying to be nice to Bill Bar. I mean, 262 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: she's just trying to be nice to Bill Barr. Bill 263 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: Barr is not her dad, right, Bill Barr is the 264 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Attorney General of the United States at that time, And 265 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: what she is saying, I'm not part of this conspiracy. 266 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm not part of this big lie. I'm not like 267 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: my brothers who have continued to be on social media 268 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: upholding my father's lie. And the other thing that Liz 269 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: Chane Liz Cheney told us was that not only Scott Perry. Now, 270 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: remember Scott Perry was pushing this true reasonist lawyer Jeffrey 271 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: Clark from the Department of Justice on Donald Trump, saying, Hey, 272 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: make this guy your attorney general because he'll weaponize the 273 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Department of Justice and he'll lie and say the election 274 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: was stolen. Take him, take him, take him. So Trump 275 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: wanted Jeffrey Clark. Yeah, and then what did we learn 276 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: while Scott Perry begged for a presidential pardon? And it 277 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: wasn't only Scott Perry. Liz Cheney told us other Republican 278 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: members of Congress sought presidential pardons for their role in 279 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: the insurrection. And pocket pardons are about to make a 280 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: comeback and hit the news in a very big way, 281 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: I predict. And here's the other thing we heard about pardons. 282 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: They played a clip of Jared Kushner, who, if you 283 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: can't imagine a scenario that would make him even more 284 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: distasteful to you that clip did it? And here's the 285 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: clip they played. They said, the Chief of the White 286 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: House Counsel, Pat zipp Alone, threatened to resign because Donald 287 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: Trump was trying to corruptly overturn the elections results. That's 288 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: a big deal. When the White House Council threatens to 289 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: resign because the president is trying to kill the democracy. 290 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: And who did he report this to trying to make 291 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: his way to the president, Jared Kushner. And you know 292 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: what the one clip they played of Jared Kushner's testimony 293 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: was he said, yeah, yeah, pat zipp Alone, you know, 294 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: saying he's gonna resign. I was busy working on getting 295 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: as many pardons out as I could before Trump, before 296 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: the end of Trump's turn. So I just took Pat 297 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: zipp Alone as whining about stuff. So here's the good 298 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: news day, I'm out done. Here's the good news. Last night, 299 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: Jared Kushner moved closer in my estimation to becoming a 300 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: charge defendant in the conspiracy to commit offenses against the 301 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: United State. It's based on that clip alone. We're not 302 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: there yet, but we're getting there. And so I think 303 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: pocket pardons are gonna make a comeback in a big 304 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: way very soon. And I say that because of another 305 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: important data point, which was when Kelly Ann Conway wrote 306 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: a book. I don't know if it's alternative facts or not, 307 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: but in her book she said at the end of 308 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: the turner, in her very low selling book go On, 309 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: at the end of Trump's turn he turned, he ambles 310 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: up to her and says, this is her her word, Hey, honey, 311 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: you want a pardon, And she's like, I don't think 312 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: I did anything wrong. Just take one. Everybody's going to 313 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: need one, right Like it's a party favor. It's it's 314 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: it is. It's a parting gift. You know, you hit 315 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: and take your box of rice Seroni and thanks for playing. 316 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: So but here's the thing, Danielle, if he unsolicited offered 317 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: Kelly an a blanket pardon, do you really think he 318 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: didn't give everybody else pardons? Those people who were closer 319 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: to him is family members, his criminal associates. So pocket pardons, 320 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: which I've been yelling and screaming about for more than 321 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: a year, are going to make a comeback in a 322 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: big way. But last night, Danielle, it was a pitch 323 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: perfect opening statement. And let me hasten to add I 324 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: you know Benny Thompson, who opened the proceedings and who 325 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: has this brilliant, understated, earnest presentation of information to us. 326 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: I could listen to him talk all day. And then 327 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney, who has this direct in your face, unflinching. 328 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: These are the crimes Donald Trump committed. Let's not lose 329 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: sight of the fact that the people fighting their asses 330 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: off to save our democracy. An African American man chairman 331 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: of the J six Committee, a white woman vice chair 332 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: of the J six Committee, and they are fighting against 333 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: who Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Flynn, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, 334 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark, John Eastman, John Jr. Moe Brooks, Jim Jordan, 335 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, Ted Cruz, Josh Hollywood, A whole bunch of corrupt, egomaniacal, 336 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: power hungry, grubbing white men. Now that just is what 337 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: it is. But there's something very important about those two 338 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: people who are fighting their asses off for us, and 339 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: that batch of men who are trying to destroy our 340 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: democracy and propping up a criminal former president in the process. Glenn, 341 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the most earth shattering 342 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: things that has happened in this country. This presentation lays 343 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: out everything that we've been talking about for well over 344 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: a year, everything that we have known. The question that 345 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: I have is is And I can't stand to say 346 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: this is it enough? Is this just speaking to the 347 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: choir who has been disgusted by what they have seen, 348 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: who has been disgusted by what we know and continue 349 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: to see the bar be raised higher and higher, the 350 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: threshold get larger and larger for proof that there was 351 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: willful intent to overturn the government. It's more than enough. 352 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: It's more than enough. And Danielle and I'm with you. 353 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: I did a piece I think it went up yesterday 354 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: or the day before on MSNBC Daly, and it talked about, 355 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: you know how it seems like the investigation is turned 356 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: on its head, at least as compared to the way 357 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: federal prosecutors normally investigate, you know, enormous criminal conspiracies. DJ 358 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: wants to go first, and then they want Congress to 359 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: go second, because DJ needs to get a hold of 360 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: these witnesses, put them in the grand jury, lock in 361 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: their testimony so they can be used effectively in future prosecutions, 362 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: and then they give them over to Congress if at 363 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: all to do congresses legislative investigation. So the premise of 364 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: my piece is is there a method to this investigative madness? 365 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: And I try to answer that in as deep a 366 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: way as I can with the word restrictions. But I 367 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: went on several thousand words and got cut down. But 368 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: that's okay. I love the editors, I really do, because 369 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: they polish up my work something fierce. There is a 370 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: method to this investigative madness. The show we saw last 371 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: night and that we will see for six weeks running 372 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: is so important on the transparency front for the American 373 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: people to see with their own eyes before criminal indictments 374 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: are handed down and we're now watching trials. The reason 375 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: I say that is because had the Department of Justice 376 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: gone first with these thousand plus witnesses, put them all 377 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: in the grand jury. First of all, I know my 378 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: brother and sister federal prosecutors, they couldn't have done it 379 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: as quickly as J six Committee did it. I am 380 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: confident of that. So they would still be trying to 381 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: grand jury witnesses. Every single witness who testified the grant 382 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: before the grand jury that would have been secret by 383 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: law forever unless than until they testified at a trial, 384 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: which could be three years down the road, and the 385 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: American people would know nothing about what those thousand witnesses 386 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: saw or knew, or did or tried to stop Trump 387 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: from doing, because it would have been buried in the 388 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: secrecy of the grand jury for years and potentially forever. Now, 389 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: with J six going first, we get it all, We 390 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: the people get all that information, and then the criminal 391 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: prosecutions will commence thereafter. I'm convinced, And that's just one 392 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: of the benefits. Other benefits is if we took all 393 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: these knuckleheads like Don Junior, Ivanka Rudy, and Jared, all 394 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: of whom testified to the J six Committee, and we 395 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: now know some of them incriminated Donald Trump, if we 396 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: took them instead of putting them in front of the 397 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: J six committee, if DJ delivered them grand jury subpoenas first, 398 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: they would have invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. 399 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: They wouldn't have testified at all. So the fact that 400 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: J six went first because J six, when you get 401 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: a witness in front of that committee, we don't have 402 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: to tell them, hey, guess what, You're a subject or 403 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: a target of this investigation. You have a Fifth Amendment 404 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: right against self incrimination. You do not have to testify 405 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: if you don't want to. But we are legally obligated 406 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: to tell those same that precise thing before we present 407 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: them to the grand jury. That has a chilling effect. 408 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: It shuts them down. So the fact that Jay six 409 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: went first created incriminating information that would never have been 410 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: created had the Department of Justice gone first. Give me 411 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: one more. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm running on no, no no. 412 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: Because JA six went first, people incriminated themselves in dramatic ways. 413 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: And what by people, I mean Mark Meadows, Steve Bannon, 414 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: Dan Scovino, and who's Peter Navarro. For just those four people, Danielle, 415 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: what they did was they defied congressional subpoenas. They committed 416 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: the crime of contempt of Congress. I know only two 417 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: have been indicted to haven't their mystery cases. I don't 418 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: care so much about the two who haven't been indicted. 419 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean Meadows isn't clear. By the way, that 420 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: means for policy reason, they didn't want to indict a 421 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: chief of staff for the president. I disagree with that, 422 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: but it's small potatoes. Those four men Air quotes because 423 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: they don't deserve the title. They committed the crime of 424 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: contempt of Congress in their determination to cover up the 425 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: crimes of Donald Trump. That constitutes additional crimes of accessory 426 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: after the fact of this prison of the felony. It 427 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: helps prove their co conspirators. Those four men provided to 428 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: the government, whether it's prosecutors or J six investigating investigators, 429 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: powerfully incriminating information about themselves and by extension, about Donald 430 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Trump that never would have happened if DJ went first 431 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: because of federal Grand jury subpoena. One, they wouldn't have 432 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: blown it off. They would have just gone in and 433 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: pled the fifth. And two. If they did blow it 434 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: put off, the US Marshals would have knocked down their door, 435 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: dragged them by the struff of their neck into court, 436 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: and they would have been presented to the Grand jury, 437 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: and then they would have pled the fifth. And none 438 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: of that incriminating information that has been developed by the 439 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: J six Committee would have been developed if the Department 440 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: of Justice went for I don't know if this was 441 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: the plan. I don't know if it's serendipity. I don't 442 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: know if it's a combination of those two things. But 443 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: I can make the argument that it was a smart 444 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: tactical move. Now my complaint and I think you and 445 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: I are lockstep on this is it's taken to law 446 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: law to charge people with the crimes they committed. But 447 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean this investigative model unorthodox though it isn't 448 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: isn't going to be the right model in the long run. 449 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: So is J six right? Let's let's say this is 450 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: J six this presentation. Do you believe forcing the Department 451 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: of Justice's hand? Have we moved to the place where 452 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: we're no longer where the world now is front row 453 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: to the crimes that we're committed, is front row to 454 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: all of the actors involved, front row to the fact 455 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump from election Day twenty twenty until January sixth, 456 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: was told by multiple people, you did not win the election. 457 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: There was no fraud. Does this force the Department of 458 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Justice's hand to say we have enough to indict because 459 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: there was will and it is it willful intent because 460 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: he knew. So they can't play devil's advocate for his attorneys. 461 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: What are you saying that Donald Trump did not know 462 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: that he lost? Like, how would you deny the reality 463 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: that we're all seeing. Yeah, you can't deny the reality. Now, 464 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: defense attorneys try to deny reality every day. And that's 465 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: not a criticism of defense attorneys. I honor and respect 466 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: them for the work they do trying to protect people 467 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: accused of a crime, trying to hold the government to 468 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: its proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and trying to guard 469 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: against process a tutorial and police overreach and miss conduct. 470 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: So I love, respect and honor defense attorneys. But when 471 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: the facts show their client is guilty, they don't go 472 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: into court and say, yeah, you got me, he is guilty. 473 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: They go in and they distract, they miss characterized, they 474 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: miss direct because that is their job. Their job is 475 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: not to lie, but it's to do all those other things. 476 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: Do they do it convincingly? No, not most of the time. Sometimes, 477 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: But but you ask the question is this enough for DJ? 478 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: Is it going to pressure them? And the answer is 479 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: yes and no. But it's the answer is all good 480 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: because now that we had a front row seat, like 481 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: you just said, the world has a front row seat, 482 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: and we're going to see all of the evidence that 483 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: will give DOJ the added comfort level that it needs, 484 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: not the added evidence, but the added comfort level that 485 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: it needs to be able to bring these charges and 486 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: not be credibly accused of doing it for political reasons. 487 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: Because one we see Republicans laying out the evidence in 488 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: these hearings against Donald Trump for the crimes he committed. 489 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: We see a bipartisan committee of Congress laying it out. 490 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: It's going to be a bipartisan committee that refers Donald 491 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: Trump for prosecution. And here's the thing, Danielle, let me 492 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: go back to the fact that the grand jury is secret. 493 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: If we didn't know any of this evidence that we 494 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: are going to see with our own eyes history in 495 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: the making these next six weeks, these public hearings, if 496 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: we didn't see it, you know, when we would begin 497 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: to see it, maybe two or three years down the road, 498 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: when we finally had public trials kickoff. Not indictments will 499 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: come long before the trials, obviously, and we would see 500 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: it one witness at a time. We wouldn't see the 501 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: whole picture. We wouldn't see the whole movie. We wouldn't 502 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: even see the trailer. We get an opening statement, but 503 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: that's not as compelling as seeing the witnesses with our 504 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: own eyes. And with this is what happens during criminal 505 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: trials with each witness and isolation, the defense forces will 506 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: amass to beat that witness and that witness the story 507 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: to a bloody pulp and try to get people to 508 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: disbelieve Witness one. Now tomorrow, we're going to try to 509 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: get you to disbelieve Witness two, then Witness three, then 510 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: Witness eight hundred and fifty, then Witness thousand, and we 511 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: would be beaten down when the information about Donald Trump's 512 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: crimes dribbled out incrementally over the course of months and 513 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: months and months. Here we've got the whole story that 514 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: is being presented to us in living color. Then the 515 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: indictments will come. That's why I'm saying, although it's taken 516 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: too long, and although democracy hangs in the ballance, and 517 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: that's the part I will never be able to get past, 518 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: this may be a smart tactical approach to this whole 519 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: big criminal ball of wax. Last question, Gloom, What happens 520 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: if nothing happens, What happens if this is it? All 521 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: it is is a docuseries six part You know that 522 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: the world is captivated by and nothing happens. That's the 523 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: most important question right there, and that's the one that's 524 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: easiest to answer. Our democracy dies. And the reason our 525 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: democracy dies is because we have seen and we will 526 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: continue to see the crimes, the seditious conspiracy, the inciting 527 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: and insurrection, and the treason, flat out treason. Donald Trump, 528 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: having an allegiance to the United States, waged war, levied 529 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: war against the United States. And I wish we had 530 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: hours to talk about what we saw last night. That 531 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: supports that conclusion, like he wouldn't call for rein enforcements 532 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: to defend the capital, so Mike Pence had to assume 533 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: the duties of the presidency and call for reinforcements. That's 534 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: pretty damn dramatic. That doesn't make Mike Pence a hero. 535 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: But Mike Pence did what he could, overstepping is the 536 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: bounds of his authority to protect and defend the people 537 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: in the Capitol. When Donald Trump abdicated his responsibility to 538 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: do that, he waged, he levied war against the United States. 539 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 1: That's treason. So we've seen all this, We're gonna see 540 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: it all with our own eyes. If nothing comes of it, 541 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: if no one is criminally held accountable, then ron Da 542 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: Santis in the horrific event he becomes the Republican nominee 543 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: because he is a mini Trump. He aspires to be 544 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: all that Donald Trump is. On the criminality front end, 545 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: then some, and on the weaponizing of government front end. 546 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: Then some. DJ will be giving ron Da Santis and 547 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: those of his ilk not just permission but encouragement to 548 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: do everything Donald Trump did. And then some that represents 549 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: the end of our democracy. DJ will indict Donald Trump 550 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: and company because one hundred and ten thousand employees there 551 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: are not interested in seeing our democracy end. From your lips, Glenn, 552 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: we will follow this, follow you, and follow and see 553 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: what comes. If it is at the end of this 554 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: six part presentation, if it is midway through. But my god, 555 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 1: if this happens and we are crickets, don't I don't 556 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: know if midterms matter, right, is what is what I 557 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: will say. I don't know if anything matters if there 558 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: is no movement. So I pray that what this is 559 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: is forcing the Department of Justice's hand. Maybe they've already 560 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: been we know, you know that they've been slowly indicting 561 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: the foot soldiers, But my god, they have got to 562 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: act after this. Glenn Kirshner, as always such a pleasure. 563 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thank you so much for your time. 564 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: I'll see you next week, Danielle. Thanks. It's no secret 565 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: that the news is horsepill hard to swallow. 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