1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Body dys but Joseph's gotten more. You know. Growing up, 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: I was around a fabulous musician. As a matter of fact, 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: this musician that I grew up around had literally been 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: playing piano since they were in the single digits. When 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I was first born, I actually was in the organ 6 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: loft at the church, which actually wasn't a church. It 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: was actually a Jewish synagogue that our church met in 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: on Sundays as my mother played a gigantic German made 9 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: pipe organ in this church in Monroe, Louisiana. I'm talking 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: about one of these massive things, you know. And my 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: mother was very young. My mother was probably eighteen years old. 12 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: Finest musician I've ever come across. Taught lessons for forty years, 13 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: and did you know, I have trouble with chopsticks. It's 14 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: one of the greatest regrets of my life. I just 15 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: she wasn't the type of person that was going to say, 16 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna sit down and learn to play this instrument, 17 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: and I'm glad. I'm glad she didn't. She did, however, 18 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: encourage me to take voice, which I did, and I 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: enjoyed singing. I enjoyed singing in groups, trios, duets, and 20 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: every now and then a solo. I just like harmonizing primarily. 21 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about somebody who had aspirations 22 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: to be a professional singer, and I guess you could 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: say that for a time they were. But you know, 24 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: a lot has happened since that individual decided to become 25 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: a professional singer. As a matter of fact, something really 26 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: tragic happened. His wife, Ashley Flynn, was shot to death 27 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: in her own home. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this 28 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: is Bodybacks, Dave. There are two shows that I have 29 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: never sat down and watched full episode of in my life. 30 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: The first one is anything with the letter CSI in it. 31 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: I have never watched a complete episode, and the reason 32 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: I have not is because I don't want to. I 33 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: want to keep my mind clear. As far as and 34 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: I've had friends that have consulted on the show, I've 35 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: always had questions. Now for having been in academia for 36 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: over twenty years, I've had students that have asked me 37 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: and this is the way each one of the conversation starts, Hey, 38 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: Professor Morgan. Last night on CSI, That's the way each 39 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: one and this is I grew up with I grew up. 40 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: I had a teenage child in my home that never 41 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: missed an episode, and she would try to drag me in. 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. Now, I would watch Law and 43 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Order with her. I think it's because I like that 44 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: in music. I don't know, but I just I could 45 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: never watch CSI, and I've got a myriad of reasons why. 46 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: But the other show I've never watched is American Idol. 47 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: I have never watched a single episode of it. The 48 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: mugging puts me off. You know, the thing where they'll 49 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: turn suddenly into the camera and people will smile real 50 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: big or make these shocked faces. It seems disingenuous, and 51 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: I've never I like to listen to people sing, but 52 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry, I just can't sit there and 53 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: watch this. So when this case popped up, I was like, hmm, 54 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by this. I gotta I gotta try to understand. 55 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I understand the mechanism behind all of this. 56 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: Right now, I'm different than that I have watched a 57 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: lot of previously. Years ago I watched American Idol. I 58 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: was actually doing radio in Birmingham, Alabama at the time 59 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: of its height. You know, in the first five seasons, 60 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: you know the first year of American Idol, when Kelly 61 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: Clarkson won. It was a mid It was like a 62 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: summer replacement series. Oh okay, it was not a full 63 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: on thing. It was something that was very popular in 64 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: Great Britain. And when they launched it here, nobody knew. 65 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: Simon Cowell, Paula Abdul, people had heard of. And when 66 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: people talked about Randy Jackson on the Judge Pown, they 67 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: thought it was Randy Jackson from the Jackson five. They 68 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: didn't realize this was Randy Jackson, the musician producer who 69 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: actually toured with Journey. Okay they didn't. People thought Randy 70 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: Jackson Jackson five. So my daughter, Hayley, she was one 71 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: of these people and she is still as this way 72 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: today where she was always ahead of the curve. It 73 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: was like if something she was into, yeah and caught on, 74 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: it would be a year or two later everybody else 75 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: would catch on, you know that kind of thing. She 76 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: was watching American Idol the first season, the first episodes 77 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: and just locked into it. And so when the final 78 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: was on, she's watching it. And remember back then kids 79 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: had a television either they're in their room or in 80 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: a den while mom and dad had their TV in 81 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: a separate area. Yep, this was still during that time. 82 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: So they're watching it, they being the kids are watching 83 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: the finale upstairs in Haley's room, and I walked by, 84 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: like what are y'all watching? And they were talking about 85 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: this show that I hadn't seen. And anyway, that was 86 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: my introduction, was that finale and seeing and I'll never 87 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: forget it because Kelly Clarkson won just karaoke I think 88 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: from Texas, and the runner up was a guy named Justin. 89 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: Justin looked so happy that she won. And I'm be 90 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: honest with you, if you're competitive enough to be on 91 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: a contest, you know, yep, why are you more excited 92 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: for the person of the person winning? I mean, look, man, 93 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 2: be a good sport, don't be a good loser. But anyway, 94 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: I digress. That locked us in. Though from there on 95 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: the show exploded. Season two, Ruben stuttered the big two 96 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: five area code, you know, so we locked into him 97 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: and I had a chance to meet Ruben and spend 98 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: some time with him and became friendly with him. And anyway, 99 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: after about five or six seasons, you know, right, we 100 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: kind of go okamn, I'm kind of done with this, 101 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: you know. And so whenever I see an article about 102 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: referencing this person was on American Idol, unless it's the first, 103 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: you know, five or six seasons, I. 104 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: Could not tell you who it is. 105 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so this Caleb Flynn appeared in season twelve 106 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. He was not a finalist. This is 107 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: a young man who was a youth pastor or a 108 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: choir director worship leader at his church, who was married 109 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: and appears on the show encouraged to join the show 110 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: by his audition for the show in Chicago by his wife. 111 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: He makes it to Hollywood Week. 112 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: Okay, this is you audition for the show in front 113 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: of the judges and then they give you the golden 114 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: ticket to Hollywood. Now they give this to any number 115 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: of people, you know, and they go to Hollywood. They've 116 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: been contestants, and it's like boot camp where they are 117 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: run through the paces of doing groups, singing and things 118 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: like that. And out of the Hollywood Week people are 119 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: weeded out to get down to the show finalists. You 120 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: know what, we're actually going to compete the man in 121 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: front of an audience and Caleb Flynn, like hundreds or 122 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: thousands of others. He didn't make it out of Hollywood Week. 123 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: So he was probably on five episodes, maybe maybe not 124 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: even that many, I don't. 125 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: Know, but. 126 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: It was enough for that to be the headline former 127 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: American Idol star. 128 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: You know. 129 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah. 130 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: Caleb Flynn. He is thirty nine years old, his wife 131 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: is thirty seven, and they have two daughters. They live 132 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: in Tip City. Now I'm not great on geography. I 133 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: don't really know where Tip City is, but I know 134 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: that it is in Miami County, which always confuses me 135 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: when we talk about Miami because I always think about 136 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: Florida and this is not in Florida. 137 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: So well, hey, look, and you know what I'm about 138 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: to say. Here, I go on all these all these 139 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: television shows and whatnot, and the producer will say, oh, 140 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: you're in Jacksonville. Well was down in Florida. I'm like, 141 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm not in Florida. I'm in Jacksonville, Alabama. But you know, 142 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Tip City is just it's like, you know, just north 143 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: of Dayton, Ohio, which of course is north of Cincinnati, 144 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: so it's down in that kind of southern part of 145 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: Ohio over near the Indiana border. Actually, Okay, but in Ohio, 146 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: in Ohio, Yes, yeah, absolutely. 147 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, in this home. Around two thirty in the morning, 148 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: a call comes into nine one one from Caleb Flynn. Joe, 149 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: I really need you to break this call down and 150 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: a minute. I'm going to give you guys the overall 151 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: and then we can come back to it. But yeah, 152 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: inside this home. At two thirty in the morning on 153 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: February sixteenth, the early morning hours of February sixteenth, Caleb 154 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: Flynn calls nine one one tells them they've had an intruder, 155 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 2: a break in into their home. His wife has been shot. 156 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: They've got two girls who are in their own rooms asleep, 157 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: and he doesn't know what to do. Send help, So 158 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: there you have it. When help arrive, well, Caleb Flynn 159 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: describes his wife and her injuries to nine one one 160 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: and Joe, we'll go over the whole scene and everything. 161 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: But when somebody is describing injuries gunshot wounds in particular, 162 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: do they normally describe them in very specific ways? Because 163 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I've never actually seen one in person, 164 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: so I don't know what a fresh gunshot wound would 165 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: look like. I have seen them after the fact, you know, 166 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: after they've been cleaned up and things like that. But 167 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: I've never seen an active gunshot wound. I don't know 168 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: what it would really look like. 169 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sorry to mean step on for me. 170 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Only a nerd like me would sit there and say, 171 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, on nine one one, Yeah, I've come across 172 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: somebody and they've sustained and you can even hear in 173 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: my language, they've sustained an appearent gunshot wound. But if 174 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: it was somebody that I loved, you know that I 175 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: cared about, I'm not going to go into granular detail 176 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: about the nature of the gunshot, won't. I'm going to say, 177 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: my loved one has been shot. To get somebody out 178 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: here immediately. Now, they might ask me, and generally nine 179 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: to eleven operators will say where are they shot? And 180 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: you'll hear people frantically. Most of the time they'll say 181 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: things like i'd I don't know, I don't know. All 182 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: I see is a lot of blood. There's blood everywhere, 183 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: and you'll hear that repeated over and over and over. 184 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Dave, did you know that 185 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: that kind of carries over when we interview people at 186 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: a scene because it's so shocking to their conscience. You know, 187 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: they when they walk into the situation that I think 188 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: that it's kind of seared or branded into their brain 189 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: because that's the first thing that they experience as they're looking, 190 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: as they're looking at this horrific thing that's unfolding for them, 191 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: and you'll have these repeated rememberance remembrances by these individuals. 192 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: It's a thing that floats to the top, is what 193 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: it comes down to. You know, when we're thinking about 194 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: an assessment by a civilian, you don't expect them to 195 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: go into great detail. Now, if they're prompted by a 196 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: nine to eleven operator, that can a good I'm talking 197 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: about a good one, all right, because they're very just 198 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: like everything in life, they're varying degrees to the type 199 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: of person you're going to get on the other line. God 200 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: bless them all, but you know what I'm talking about here. 201 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: So if they'll say, okay, we need you to tell 202 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: us where the other gunshot wounds are. Is there only one? 203 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Is there two? Or are they shot you know multiple times? 204 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: You know, and you're asking and they're asking specific questions 205 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: like are they breathing, you know, are they having difficulty breathing? 206 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Are they alert? Are they conscious? That's the kind of 207 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,359 Speaker 1: and it's like pulling it. You know, you're having to 208 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: extract this information from them. But in this case, when 209 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: this young woman was shot at her home, that's not 210 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: what we got. We got detail, and I got to 211 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: tell you it's the first thing for me that made 212 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: an alarm go off in my mind. Lookay, I'm not 213 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: trying to be a man of mystery here, brother Dave. 214 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: I got to tell you. We referenced the nine to 215 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: eleven call. Let's go hitd and hear it right here. 216 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: My wife she got two shots to her hands and 217 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: put Everywheom my god, do you still see anybody in 218 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: the house. 219 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: You know the door to the gross was wide open. 220 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: Please hurry, please, Oh my god, Oh my god. It's 221 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: a little good. My daughters are here. 222 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: My daughters are here. 223 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: Where she at? 224 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: She's in the bed. I was with the children. What 225 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: have happened? 226 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: Okay, but you're not with them now. 227 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: No, they're in their room. They're not even awake. 228 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: Are you hearing any kind of noise inside the house? No? 229 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: No, her face Oh her face is did you notice that? 230 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Did you notice what he said? Dave? Right there? He 231 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: he didn't merely say she's been shot. He says, she's 232 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: been shot twice, all right, and not just shot twice, 233 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: She's been shot twice in the head. To me, that's 234 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: red flag, you know, I don't, you know, it's it's 235 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: like an uh. It's information that is not necessarily solicited. 236 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: It's information that is offered. And how do you do 237 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: that assessment? Because I gotta I gotta tell you, brother, 238 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds into the head when it comes to forensics 239 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: are complex and it's not something that we can fully 240 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: assess at the scene. Is something we have to assess 241 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: back at the morgue. 242 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: That's shocking. You know. 243 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: I kind of knew that based on, you know, doing 244 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: the show with you and covering crime reports for a 245 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: long time. But it's still very shocking to me that 246 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: at the scene, what what investigators come away with, you know, 247 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: versus what you find later at the lab at the Morgue. 248 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: But Joe, in this story from Caleb Flynn, he says 249 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: that he wasn't there when she was shot. He says 250 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: he was with his daughters, and that they have two daughters, 251 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: two children who are asleep. It is two thirty in 252 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: the morning, and he says when he's on the phone 253 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: that they are still asleep. The children are currently asleep 254 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: in their bedrooms, and he was in the bedrooms with 255 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: them plural. 256 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: I don't you know. People make mistakes in how they're. 257 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: Talking anyway, But anyhow you look at it, he was 258 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: Caleb Flenn was not in the room. According to him, 259 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: He wasn't in the room when she was shot. So 260 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: how does he know. A, yeah, you could hear two gunshots. 261 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: I got that you could hear two and acknowledge that 262 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: I heard two gunshots. But if you weren't in the 263 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: room when it took place. And because it's two three 264 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: in the morning, I am thinking she was shot in 265 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: the bed. You'll probably need to clear that up for me. 266 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: But how would he even know? And again I mentioned before, 267 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: I have never seen an active gunshot wound. I have 268 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: seen the aftermath and the blood that is everywhere, you know, 269 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: and it's it really is disturbing when you've never seen 270 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: it before to actually especially in a bed. Oh good grief, 271 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: you get into an isolated area like that. 272 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it is something you know. Any most 273 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: of the time, if you have someone that is shot 274 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: in the head, it is is arguably one of the 275 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: one of the let's see, how can I say this, 276 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: It is arguably one of the areas that it's going 277 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: to generate the most blood relative to relative to position 278 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: or let me rephrase that anatomical orientation. Why is that? Well, 279 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: the reason is is that the head is the most 280 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: vascular area of the body. Well why is that, Well, 281 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: it's because the brain, the brain requires so much blood. Okay, 282 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: so when you and it's in a compact area. All right, 283 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: so you've got you've got the brain that's in this 284 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: vaulted area. And did you know that at autopsy one 285 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: of the things that will do is the physician will actually, 286 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: and here's kind of a cool little aside, the pathologist 287 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: all of us will make reference in an autopsy report 288 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: and we'll say the interior of the cranial vault. Think 289 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: about that just for a second. You know, you're talking 290 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: about the vault like a vault is generally associated with 291 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: a bank or a funeral. You know, if you're talking 292 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: about a cemetery, you know, with the body has been vaulted. 293 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: So you've got this kind of containment area that's located 294 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: in there. There are all these blood vessels that supply 295 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: that supply the brain and also all of the other 296 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: peripheral areas around the brain. So anytime you have a 297 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the head, it's generally there's profuse bleeding 298 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: and it can even be like it can be like 299 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: a Gray's wound, which is amazing. I've seen grays wounds 300 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: on individuals that generated more blood than somebody that's gutshot. 301 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: Wow. 302 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's just that it glances along. Well, 303 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: just just think about it right now down in down 304 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: here in the South. You know, one of things that 305 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: that parents always say to their child, uh, you know, 306 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: if they're if they're, you know, doing something they shouldn't 307 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: be doing out in the yard or whatnot, they'll look 308 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: at the child and they'll say, boy, you're gonna bust 309 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: your head wide open. Well, when they say that, when 310 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: they say that, generally there's good reason. You're gonna fall 311 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: from a height, you're gonna slam your head into something, 312 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: or you know. But when people people recall things like 313 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: head injuries, what that the one thing they remember is 314 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: the volume of blood that's issuing from it. So that 315 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: you could do an assessment of a body at a 316 00:20:54,359 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: scene and arrive at a conclusion about how many any 317 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: gsws there are there, because I got to tell you, 318 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: if I'm looking at a body and i have two 319 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: holes in a head or defects, as a professional, I'm 320 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: not going to immediately say that they've got two gunshot ones. 321 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to say I've got two defects. I even 322 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: teach my students not to use the word words gunshot 323 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: ones at all. I tell them to stay as far 324 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: away from that as they possibly can, because they're painting 325 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: themselves into a corner. Investigatively, you say you've got two defects. Now, 326 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: if you want to describe the shape of the defects, 327 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: you can say one circular, one is irregular, one slit 328 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: like the other is elliptical. And you know, we learned 329 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: our shapes when we were little, right, we understand the 330 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: difference between a circular and you know, irregular. But I'm 331 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: not saying gunshot one. Well, the reason I don't say 332 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: gunshot one at a scene or in my report is 333 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: the fact that some attorney will try to get me 334 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: on the stand and they're saying, oh, you call this 335 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound at the scene. Pay close attention what 336 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to see say here, y'all, you said gunshot 337 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: wound at the scene. But yet, you know, doctor Smith, 338 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: when the body came back to the morgue and they 339 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: were in perfect conditions, they said, this was not a 340 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: gunshot wound. Okay, Well that's an honest mistake, Dave, all right, 341 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: that's an honest mistake. And it's not really a mistake. 342 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Well it kind of is because I don't know because 343 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm in poor lighting, haven't shaved the head, and that's 344 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: something that we do. 345 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: Boy, they're going to call you a liar, aren't they. 346 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: They are, and they're going to try to make me 347 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: look like a fool. Remember the one thing you have 348 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: to do on the stand if you're a defense attorney, 349 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: and all defense attorneys out there, I welcome all comers. 350 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just the reality of what they 351 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: do there. Being a defense attorney, they're going to put 352 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: you juxtaposition to the people that are going to do the 353 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: assessment back at the morgue. Okay, So if you say 354 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: that that was a gunshot wound, they're going to say, well, 355 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: which is it? One of you has got to be lying, 356 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's not that we're lying it's just that 357 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: I misspoke. Well, you know how to avoid misspeaking. Don't 358 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: say anything at all. Don't say anything at all. But 359 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: when you have a circumstance like you have with Ashley, 360 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: and she's lying there and you've got the husband that 361 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: is standing over her, what do you make of this? 362 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: Did he actually hear the weapon being fired in the house? 363 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: We do know, We do know that he owns a weapon, 364 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: We do know that spent casings were found at the scene, 365 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: and we do in fact know that his wife now 366 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: now has, in fact, as a confirmation of what he said, 367 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: sustained two gunshot ones to the head. You know, Dave, 368 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: the home that I live in now, I've lived in 369 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: some rather large homes. It's not that I could afford 370 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: them necessarily, It's just that I happen to live in 371 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: large homes. And most of the homes I have had 372 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: have either had a detached or an attached garage. And 373 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: I understand the ability to control a garage door, and 374 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: you know what goes into it. As a matter of fact, 375 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: I've I think I have. Well see how many garage 376 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: doors have I cussed out over the course of my 377 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: adult life? Because something always goes wrong with them. You know, 378 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: it's just one of those things. But you know, Dave, 379 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: in the case of Ashley Flynn, what they found at 380 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: the scene, and according to according to the husband who's 381 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: the reporter, they're saying that the garage door was actually open, 382 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, going into the house, which is common odd thing. 383 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I mean, I've left my 384 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: garage door open before, but it just seems out of 385 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: all the days in Tip City, Ohio, in Tip City, Ohio, 386 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: at approximating two something in the morning, you're going to 387 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: leave your garage door open, and oh, by the way, 388 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: there's one person in the entire house that's targeted. 389 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: Right now, Hey, let me ask you something about the 390 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: garage door, because when we're talking about a garage, usually 391 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: there's at least two doors. One is the big garage 392 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: door that lives up and has a machine that does 393 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 2: it oftentimes and you pull the car in right. There's 394 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: a second door that leads from the garage into the house. Yes, 395 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: oftentimes a laundry area or something along those lines. So 396 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: when we're looking at this, the door that leads from 397 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: the garage into the interior of the house, is that 398 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: the door that's open, or is the main garage door 399 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: head that leads from the street into your. 400 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: I don't know the impression that I'm getting from what 401 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: they've said, and information is kind of sparse, that's the case. 402 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: I got to tell you. They're implying that the main 403 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: garage door is open, So I don't know if that's 404 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: accurate or not, but that's what it sounds like. 405 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: Well, Caleb Flynn indicated the garage door was wide open, 406 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: so let's go with that. That's what he reported and 407 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: two thirty in the morning. As a as a man 408 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: who has had a wife and children in his home, Yeah, 409 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: you checked your doors at night, But I'm a German shepherd. 410 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't walk the perimeter at night. Yeah. 411 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: I don't know any man that doesn't. Or I'm gonna 412 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: take that back. I don't know. My wife was Lodonna 413 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: was the one that checked everything. She did, Yeah, and 414 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: she heard things. You know, it's you know, we got animals, 415 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: children come on, you know, hearing noises all the time. 416 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 417 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but in this case, yeah. 418 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 2: In this case, it's two thirty in the morning, his 419 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: garage door is wide open. I'm kind of confused as 420 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: to how he knows that. But he's in the bedroom 421 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: with the girls while his wife is being killed, targeted 422 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: in the bedroom at two thirty in the morning. His story. 423 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: And by the way, when law enforcement arrives to investigate, well, 424 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,959 Speaker 2: they get the story from him. You know, Hey, I 425 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: was in here with the girls. I hear a ruckus 426 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: going on. Two gunshots and boom, my wife's here. I 427 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: call nine to one one and he's he Caleb allegedly 428 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 2: supposedly reportedly gave investigators a story for them to start 429 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: chasing rabbits. They went into the garage, they went into 430 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: the truck because he told them I have a nine 431 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: millimeter nine millimeter handgun you mentioned a minute ago. They 432 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: find shells in the room, correct. 433 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there as shells sound at this scene, you know, 434 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: ejected shells. Yes, And it's and to be very specific, 435 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: it's a non millimeter you know, weapon, which is arguably, 436 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: I guess, oh, I can say definitively as far as 437 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: semi automatic handguns go, it's the most common caliber. 438 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: Now, if you've got nine calibers nine milimeter caliber shells 439 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: and the guy says, yeah, I got a nine mil 440 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: that's not going to immediately go Hey, but it is 441 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,239 Speaker 2: going to say, well, if it had been twenty two 442 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: shells or something else, you know, that'd be a little different. 443 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: But nine milimeter shells casings in the room. Now, he 444 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: tells God, he keeps his gun in the truck in 445 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: the garage in the center console. 446 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: Correct, yeah, he does. And here's the thing. And I 447 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: just found this information, by the way. The it's what 448 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: he is alleging. What Caleb Flynn is alleging is that 449 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: the side door of the garage is open with a 450 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: large fridge in front. And it doesn't It doesn't make 451 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me, because let's go back, 452 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: because when you're saying the garage door is open, there 453 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: was one door that that we did not mention just 454 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: a second ago. Some of these garages have side doors 455 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: that they do, you know, so that you can access 456 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: just in and out without having to open it. You 457 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: can kind of walk walk in front of your vehicle, 458 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: you know that sort of thing. It's an interesting and look, 459 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, look, if I was a prowler, I hadn't 460 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: heard that term in a long time. If I was 461 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: a p that's kind of a subdued area to go 462 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: in through. You know what I'm saying it kind of 463 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: makes sense. I guess you know that you're trying to 464 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: get access to the house. But here's the thing. It's 465 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Dave, if you get into that big box, 466 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: and that's what a garage is, if you get in 467 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: that big box, how are you going to egress from 468 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: the interior of that environment through the door that leads 469 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: to the interior of the home. Is it unsecured? I mean, 470 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever had an arrangement like this, 471 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I know that I have. Not only 472 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: is the exterior door going to be locked down, but 473 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: my interior door is definitely going to. 474 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: Be locked dude. 475 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, you know what, you know, what's the 476 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: what's the pattern here? You know that that's being worked out, 477 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, relative to points of egress as far as 478 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: you know a home, a home invader, a prior is 479 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: taking through the house. 480 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you how the stigation works out. 481 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: Because the when officers arrive after the nine one one 482 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: call and they secure the scene, they talked to the caller, 483 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: Caleb Flynn. His daughters are supposedly still asleeping in their bedrooms, 484 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: his wife is dead on the bed or in the bedroom. 485 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if it specifically says in the bed 486 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: I need to I don't know that that's been very 487 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: specific yet. 488 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: They have not released that info at this point. 489 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: Normally we would not have two gunshot wounds to the 490 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: head by the collar at the nine one one, but 491 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: we do have that now. Caleb Flynn, to be very clear, 492 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: here is being accused of murdering his wife. He is 493 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: accused of setting the scene here, staging it. Joe, Now, 494 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: if you walk into a scene, and I'm sure you 495 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 2: have when you walk into a scene of a gunshot wound, 496 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: a person dead from gunshot wound, I'm trying to get 497 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: into your head for what your expt dictation is based 498 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: on what you see? 499 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: I mean, do you? 500 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we all have history. We're bring to us 501 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: with everything. When when you and I are on with 502 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace on a particular story, we already have a 503 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: history either on the story or at least with Nancy 504 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: and we know how it's going to transpire. Same thing 505 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: is true here you go to a gunshot, go to 506 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: as the scene of a crime. First of all, when 507 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: are you going to be called to the scene as 508 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: the forensic you know guy. 509 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: Immediately Yeah, yeah, we would be we would be called 510 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: out immediately. The Emmy, the corner investigator in Ohio, they 511 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: have corners so and mighty fine corners. By the way, 512 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: I've actually taught them up there years and years ago 513 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: when we first did the national standards. 514 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 3: Now we know why they are so good. 515 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there they are. They are good. They're top notch. 516 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: The training is thorough. 517 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: Once the police determined and I'm going to assume as 518 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: that and that's wrong, who actually will determine on the 519 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: scene the first people there that okay, we have this 520 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: individual is no longer living. 521 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: Yep, do police make that call? Well, yeah, it would 522 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: actually be it's going to be the well, okay, this 523 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: is how it's going to happen. There will be a supervisor, 524 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: a uniform supervisor that will show up. We've never talked 525 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: about this. This is kind of cool perspective. A uniform 526 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: supervisor will show up, Okay, so he might uniform supervisor 527 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: might have four squads, squad cars that they are in 528 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: charge of for that shift, depend upon the size of 529 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: the city, you know, tip city, I don't really know. 530 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Supervisor rolls up and this is kind of how the 531 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: conversation will go. He'll get on the radio and he 532 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: will say, uh uh, you know, I don't know. We'll 533 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: just pull a number three on one to headquarters Corps. 534 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, let's go ahead and get c I 535 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: D which is Criminal Investigation Division and route, get a 536 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: crime scene unit in around, and we also need to 537 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: get the corner in route as well. That's how it happens. 538 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: It's that simple. Every now and then they will wait 539 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: until CID gets out there, which is when I say CID, 540 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: Criminal Investigation Division. You hear that term associated with the 541 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: army because that's what they refer to as they're forensics people, 542 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: c I D H. They're all warrant well they're not 543 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: all warrant officers. They're enlisted as well. My mistake. Don't 544 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: don't hammer any guys, But c ID is something that 545 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: that term is used throughout all investigative agencies in the US, 546 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: and most people that work within within that that strata, 547 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, know what that means. So they'll get them 548 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: in route and there will always be a detective. You're 549 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: talking two o'clock in the morning. You know, when you 550 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: go to bed that night, if you're not in the office, 551 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: and many people don't work out of the office at 552 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning. Investigators don't. They will they 553 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: have a call sheet. They know who's up next. Essentially. 554 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: One of the best ways that I've ever seen this 555 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: displayed was that old television show called what was it 556 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: called Homicide Life on the Streets, and it's based on 557 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Baltimore Homicide Detectives, and they had a board 558 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: that was displayed prominently in this television show the first 559 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: time they'd ever done this, and they would show who 560 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: caught the last cases, and it was one of the 561 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: things that really popped off the screen when you saw it. 562 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: You would know who's up next. So you might have 563 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: a squad of I don't know, however, many detectives that 564 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: the location requires. This gets into the more detailed stuff 565 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: if Tip City has, if they're line upon their own 566 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: CID as opposed to say, Miami County Sheriff's Office, all right, 567 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: Miami County Sheriff's Office is probably going to be a 568 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: bit more have a larger population of investigators. Tip City 569 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: might only have a couple. You might have. Depend upon 570 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: the tempo of cases that they have, you might have 571 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: just a couple of folks in there that are bearing 572 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: this huge load of active cases they're working on, whereas 573 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: you might go to another city that's really slow and 574 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: they might catch just a couple of cases a year, 575 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: So you never know what's going to show up or 576 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: what state of mind the investigator is going to be in. 577 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: So so yeah, that's the way it would happen. I 578 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: really went along way around the barn describing that. But 579 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: I hope that. 580 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out if the cops unseen realize 581 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 2: we have a deceased individual who has gunshot wounds, that 582 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 2: they're going to stop touching the body and all the 583 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 2: stuff around, And so I hope yeah, because you're gonna 584 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: have to check for signs of life you're going and 585 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: yet a body, a dead body takes on a different 586 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 2: pallor a different look. 587 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 3: There. 588 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 2: There is a very big difference between life and death 589 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 2: in terms of the body. And I just kind of 590 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: was wondering, at what point do they say, Okay, Dave, 591 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 2: you go change in your pockets to stop touching you. 592 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, yeah, they will do that. Hopefully there they're 593 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: gonna be safeguards and hopefully and this has happened to before. 594 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: I've worked cases in small towns where they have and 595 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: this is very sad. Say where you show up at 596 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: scene and there'll be just some guy standing there in 597 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: savilla and clothes that's not badged up in any way, 598 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: and he's inside the tape and he's standing there next 599 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: to the body. And you're, as an Emmy investigator, you're 600 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: not you know, say and you know, you're not screaming 601 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: at the top of your lungs. You're saying, who are you? 602 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: I go to somebody else and I'll say, who's going 603 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: that's standing there, you know, in blue jeans and a 604 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: Rolling Stones T shirt, you know, And oh, yeah, he's 605 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: he's one of ours. He's off duty. And I'm thinking, 606 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: is this drug related? Is he like an undercovered guy? 607 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: And now he heard the call come up on the 608 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: radio side come out, we'd let him in. And that 609 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: has happened on a number of occasions. So you have 610 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: to be you have to be very aware of this 611 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: and cognizant of it. So once once that that scene 612 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: is secured, hopefully everybody is out by the time the 613 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: Emmy rolls up and here's here's I say, Emmy corner 614 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: in this case. A little factoid here as well. In 615 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: most states, if there is a body at the scene, 616 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: guess who's in charge of the scene. It's the corner 617 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: of them. It's not the police. 618 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 3: Really yeah, wow. 619 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah and so, and we don't get into nobody. And 620 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: I know that there have been fights over the years 621 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: relative to the sorts of thing, but it's not something 622 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: that I want to work well with everybody because the 623 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: goal is just to try to find out the truth. 624 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: And again, I'm not a justice guy. I'm out there 625 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: to find justice. That's not not my department. That's down 626 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: the hall to the right. My goal is to discover 627 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: scientific truth and try to understand it scientifically. But we're 628 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: all work working toward a purpose, which is truth. So 629 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, that has happened. I hope that it hasn't 630 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: happened out here. It sounds like they're running a good investigation. However, 631 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: I will tell you in regards to the individual that 632 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: has been hooked up on charges, he has retained a 633 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: defense attorney. And this guy is actually saying the defense 634 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: attorney has And let me make sure I get this straight, 635 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: because there is a specific quote that I found kind 636 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: of intriguing Yeah. This guy's name is l Patrick Mulligan, 637 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: and he said, we are both disappointed, and this is 638 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: a quote directly from him, we are both disappointed and 639 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: concerned about the short timeline and seeming rushed to judgment 640 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: in this case. When the government runs out of leads 641 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: or can't develop leads and looks at a surviving spouse. 642 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: In cases such as these, the chance of a wrongful 643 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,479 Speaker 1: conviction increases. End quote. Wow, Wow, that's a mouthful man, 644 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: and this dude just drops his bomb out. 645 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 3: There really a couple of days into the investigation. 646 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and listen, you know, can okay, Yeah, 647 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: I guess you can say that it was quick, But 648 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: quick doesn't always imply bad investigation. It implies that you 649 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: had some pretty big clues out there and things kind 650 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: of fell into place, you know. You know, I'm happy 651 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: for the police officers that it kind of worked out 652 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: for them relative to this. Now, you know, they're saying 653 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: that they feel as though this individual is responsible according 654 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: to them, not me. 655 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 3: Hey, Joe, let me run down this quick timeline very quickly. Okay, sure, 656 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 3: all right. 657 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: February sixteenth, we have two thirty in the morning, nine 658 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 2: one one call, got a Ashley Flynn, thirty seven, found 659 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 2: shot to death inside their home. Caleb Flynn, thirty nine, 660 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: he's the one that made the call. He says, you know, 661 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 2: if somebody broke into my home. My wife has been 662 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 2: shot twice in the head. There's blood everywhere. Police noted 663 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 2: that Caleb Flynn was hyperventilating on their arrival. Two children 664 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 2: were present, but unharmed. They were in their own bedrooms. 665 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 2: Officers documented the garage side door with a large fridge 666 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 2: in front and the center console of a twenty twenty 667 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 2: four Ford truck. This is where Caleb Flynn said he 668 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 2: stored his nine milimeter handgun. That console was opened, Joe 669 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 2: on that Ford truck. And think about this in the garage. 670 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 2: So you have a nine millimeter gun, Caleb, yes, I do. Well, 671 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 2: where do you keep it? I keep it usually in 672 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 2: my truck in the center console. Okay, great, thank you sir. 673 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 2: And then when they get there, it's open. The nine 674 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 2: millimeter is gone, you know. So two gunshell casings found 675 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 2: in the bedroom. Caleb Flynn is accused allegedly using the 676 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 2: nine milimeter handgun to shoot Ashley Flynn. Now at this point, 677 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 2: you mentioned he has retained an attorney, and that's you 678 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 2: should always have an attorney. 679 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 3: But he has. 680 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 2: Caleb Flynn has waived his right to a speedy trial, 681 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 2: and there is going to be another preliminary hearing. Everything 682 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 2: was supposed to take place with this in the days 683 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 2: immediately following, but it was a combined decision between the 684 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 2: prosecution and the defense. The next hearing is going to 685 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 2: take place March twenty sixth. Caleb Flynn is being held 686 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 2: on two million dollars bond. Just to give you a 687 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 2: quick heads up, Ashley Flynn was thirty seven. She was 688 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 2: a substitute teacher and a volleyball coach. Much loved Caleb Flynn, 689 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 2: the praise and worship leader at his local community church. 690 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 2: And there you have it, Caleb Flynn in jail, in 691 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 2: prison or in jail right now, two million dollars bond 692 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 2: and the children are with family members. 693 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I was going to say the most important 694 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: thing is that Ashley was a mama. Yeah, and these 695 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: two babies are now without their mama and their daddy. 696 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: And I think that that's, you know, it's soul crushing. 697 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that Dave, I got to 698 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: tell you the truth. As you know, I'm off to 699 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: say is going to rest in the science here. The outcome. 700 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to be fascinated to hear what the forensic 701 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: pathologist has to say about this case, and it's going 702 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: to go like this. I want to know about range 703 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: of fire and I want to know the anatomical orientation 704 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: of these gunshot woes to Ashley's head that you know, 705 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: Caleb has already said happened. And so I'll close with 706 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: this that the head is one of the more fascinating 707 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: areas of the body when you think about trauma, because 708 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: there are so many multi planes where trauma can take 709 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: place as it applies to specific locations anatomically on our head, 710 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: everything ranging from beneath the jaw to the top of 711 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: the head, to the sides to the back the ox 712 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: are put back there, to the forehead, the eye, the nose, 713 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: the ear. I've seen it all, well, not all, but 714 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: a lot of it. What's going to be a big 715 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: reveal in this case is where was she relative to 716 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: the end of the muzzle of that weapon when somebody 717 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: put the pressure to that trigger and initiated that firing sequence. 718 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: Where did that round go? How far away were they 719 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: when they executed this woman, and I guess as much 720 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: as I hate the why question, why would anybody walk 721 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: in to a home where you have a husband, two kids, 722 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: and out of everybody in the house, they select Ashley 723 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: Flynn to be double tapped in the head. I'm Joseph 724 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is Body Buy