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Speaker 1: Come on in, stay awhile Chris Webber, the NBA Hall

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Speaker 1: happened last night, Suns close out the Clippers, and we'll

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio folks who distribute this show. When the Sun's acquired

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul this offseason, the expectation skyrocketed. And this is

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Speaker 1: a team that hadn't been in the playoffs since twenty ten,

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Speaker 1: and they were in the bubble. And this team without

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul went eight no and we thought, okay, you

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Speaker 1: got this sort of assist. There the embryonic stages of

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Speaker 1: maybe something cute, and then all of a sudden they

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Speaker 1: get Chris Paul. Chris Paul doesn't play cute. Chris Paul's

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Speaker 1: there to win and I don't know if the goal

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Speaker 1: was to reach the NBA Finals this year at least

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Speaker 1: a realistic goal, But here they are. After beating the

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Speaker 1: Clippers last night, Phoenix advances to its first finals since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, the Charles Barkley Phoenix Sons. And it

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Speaker 1: seemed like the shorthanded Clippers wouldn't go away, but Chris

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Speaker 1: them to come back. He scored thirty one of his

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Speaker 1: After sixteen years, Chris Paul reaches the finals for the

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Speaker 1: first time, and now that they've gone this far, you

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul needed this. If you take Chris Paul out

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Speaker 1: of the picture, the Sons, you're a young team, but

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Speaker 1: they have a couple of really good players Devin Booker,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton, they have a head coach Montie Williams. Press

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Speaker 1: all the right buttons and now the Phoenix Suns wait

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Speaker 1: for either the Milwaukee Bucks or the Atlanta Hawks for

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Speaker 1: a chance to make history. It was fun to watch

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Speaker 1: last night. The entire series. You weren't quite sure what

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Speaker 1: the first couple of games, came back, didn't look great,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he starts hitting those mid

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Speaker 1: almost as if the Clippers kept waiting for Devin Booker,

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Speaker 1: and Chris Paul hadn't been much of a threat, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, here's a fifteen footer, there's

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you realize Chris Paul was starting to

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Speaker 1: take over here. And then it was too late for

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Speaker 1: the Clippers. But for the Clippers, you know, you don't

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Speaker 1: makeshift lineup. To do what they did to get this

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Speaker 1: of players and certainly the head coach tylu Here is

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Speaker 1: look at this as a missed opportunity. Obviously, I have

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Speaker 1: the injury to Kawhi Leonard, couldn't do anything about that.

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Speaker 1: But with the Lakers out, the Nuggets were out, the

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Speaker 1: Trey Young for tonight's game. Probably a lot better chance

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Speaker 1: game five. All right, we'll come up with a pull

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Speaker 1: question player the day. Stat of the day the Lightning

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State wins its first national title in any sport.

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Speaker 1: sons polls. But before we get into that, was this

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Speaker 1: a good postseason for the Los Angeles Clippers? Yes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you did it without Kawhi Leonard. I think as

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Speaker 1: you move forward, the Clippers have to find somebody that

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Speaker 1: Let's get hardened it to hear the Lakers, I think

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's the one thing if I

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Speaker 1: First of all, Kawhi Leonard's availability, his health long term.

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Speaker 1: Paul George. I like what I saw with Paul George.

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Speaker 1: I don't like him being so sensitive, like just play

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Speaker 1: take some ownership here. You called yourself playoff pee, We didn't.

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Speaker 1: You were a wonderful story. Worry you know, you came

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Speaker 1: with the negative narrative, the narrative postseason player all that is.

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Speaker 1: You know, ask y'all do. It makes me no difference

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing, but that's horrible. It's

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Speaker 1: not like there's those big industrial fans near the mics.

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Speaker 1: It's embarrassing, Like, clean that up. Charles Barkley, NBA on

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Speaker 1: TNT analysts did comment on Paul George's comments. Everybody's gotten

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Speaker 1: Give me a freaking break. I got drafted with Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: They've always said that about me. Paul Jarles is a

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Speaker 1: And these other guys talk about he gets treated unfairly.

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Speaker 1: playoff pe. I mean, that's basketball's version of mister October.

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Speaker 1: we expect Paul George to be great. There's certain times,

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Speaker 1: And you know what stops everything winning? Yes, Paul, anyone

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Speaker 1: giving any blowback to Clayton Kershaw anymore, clayt Kershaw has

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Speaker 1: that's what he's known for. Now he's four wins away

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Speaker 1: wonderful fashion last night. It's like when you repaid a house,

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Speaker 1: that fresh coat of paint, that is man, that house

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Speaker 1: looks awesome. Clayton Kershaw got a fresh coat of paint.

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Speaker 1: Stop complaining, and nobody wants to hear it. But I

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Speaker 1: All seven of them? Sure care? Paul, Let's be realistic here.

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Speaker 1: It's July first, Kawhi is going to have to have

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Speaker 1: in eight weeks, there's no way Kawhi Leonard's gonna be

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Speaker 1: you've got another pole question. Okay, this is really mean.

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Speaker 1: Do you find Chris Paul an exciting NBA player? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Or no? Exciting? No? Yeah, he's mister mid range yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: So that was Who's the most exciting point guard in

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Speaker 1: Get phone calls coming up? Did we settle on a

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Speaker 1: just a start. I put up the Clippers question. Did

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Speaker 1: Webber thinks about that, the member of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: They had the best season in Clipper history. They led

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Speaker 1: What's Chris Paul's reputation as a player, you know, I

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Speaker 1: It's interesting how a mid range jumper. We'd just let

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Speaker 1: It was like water torture. It wasn't a guillotine. It

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Speaker 1: You ever had an extend hyper extended knee like what

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Speaker 1: he plays the next game. I'd be surprised if he

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Speaker 1: played the next two. I just things like that. It

425
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Speaker 1: takes a little bit of a little bit of time

426
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Speaker 1: not over to heal. But the trust may be scary

427
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Speaker 1: as far. Yeah, just when you come down and you

428
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Speaker 1: just see the leg, like what could have been? I mean,

429
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: that could have been, you know, career threatening man if

430
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Speaker 1: he you know, it doesn't seem like he didn't have

431
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Speaker 1: that body so strong it was. I mean, those one

432
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Speaker 1: of those things where I didn't want to watch the replay,

433
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Speaker 1: just turn the sound up and checked out what was

434
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Speaker 1: going on. But yet I was scared. Then. I was

435
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Speaker 1: listening to Jamal Mashburn on a podcast the other day

436
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Speaker 1: and he was talking about when the college players were

437
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Speaker 1: practicing against the Dream Team, and have you heard this

438
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Speaker 1: story that he was telling. No, Okay, so you guys

439
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: saw well, he said, we were part of a group,

440
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Speaker 1: Grand Hill and some other guys, Rodney Rodgers. We saw

441
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Speaker 1: Larry Bird in the hotel and then he said get

442
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: some sleep, young fellas. And then you guys went and

443
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: scrimmaged against them, and Rodney Rodgers is talking smack to

444
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Speaker 1: Larry Bird. Larry's on the sidelines just watching and Rodney

445
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Speaker 1: Rodgers all of a sudden tugs on Superman's cape. What

446
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Speaker 1: happened after that? Yeah, Ronney Rodgers is he's one of

447
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Speaker 1: the best jerks that you'll meet. And so again, we

448
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: were all there playing against our favorite players. You know,

449
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: you got to realize that Stockton and Bobby Hurley at

450
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Speaker 1: Grant Hill and Jordan was all of our favorite players individually,

451
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Speaker 1: and you know, used to hide us in these gyms,

452
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: were working out and didn't really know what was going on.

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Speaker 1: Get to scrimmage these guys, I mean, he's really really

454
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Speaker 1: beat them. And the next day or were in the

455
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Speaker 1: hotel or something, you know, because they were really kind

456
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Speaker 1: to us, they took us out to eat. You know,

457
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Speaker 1: we got to get in the in the room and

458
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Speaker 1: golf and stare out and here goes Rodney Rodgers. He's

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Speaker 1: talking the stuff that we were talking to in our

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Speaker 1: other room. You know, our other room. We talked can

461
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Speaker 1: jump like he had magic. Didn't know what to do,

462
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: and he goes to Bird right in his face. He

463
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Speaker 1: says something like, yeah, jump shop sent the eighties or

464
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Speaker 1: eight one of the years they probably won a championship.

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Speaker 1: And the next day and there you go. And the

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Speaker 1: next day in practice, first we didn't score a bucket.

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Speaker 1: We didn't score a bucket. That's when I really moves

468
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Speaker 1: a difference in the NBA in college because the drills

469
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Speaker 1: of denying. I remember Jordan pulling up the shorts in

470
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Speaker 1: denying and you literally couldn't touch the ball. So bird

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Speaker 1: I remember one time coming to the corner, he pumped

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Speaker 1: fakes and Rodney Rogers goes by. He says, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Parachute Club three in his face, and you know,

474
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Speaker 1: after I don't know if it was magic or someone

475
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Speaker 1: said something something like, uh, you know, the kind of

476
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Speaker 1: reminds you of eighty four a little bit done it.

477
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Speaker 1: And so that was the best part about playing against them,

478
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Speaker 1: is that they treated us like their equals by talking

479
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Speaker 1: trash to us. Because that's what that was a kid's

480
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Speaker 1: dream come true. But no one told Rode we weren't

481
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Speaker 1: trying to start award that time. I love who was

482
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Speaker 1: the nicest guy on the dream team to you guys,

483
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Speaker 1: truthfully at the time, I remember Scottie Pittman took us

484
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Speaker 1: to a dinner. But I remember Patrick Ewing and Larry

485
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Speaker 1: Bird always being together, and whenever they were together, they

486
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Speaker 1: would crack on us. It was it was like we

487
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Speaker 1: were just you know, we're just the crash test dumbs

488
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Speaker 1: for chokes. So those two were those two were cool.

489
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Speaker 1: Pip took us to dinner, but man, they all, they

490
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Speaker 1: all they prought us to the side, you know, telling

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Speaker 1: us things to work on like that. Definitely was one

492
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Speaker 1: of the best basketball sperience. Side of that. I when

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Speaker 1: people talked about how Bird and Patrick Ewing developed this

494
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Speaker 1: great relationship, like you never would have thought that, but

495
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Speaker 1: you know, Patrick talks about it. He said, you know,

496
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Speaker 1: we just got along. I don't you know, it was

497
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Speaker 1: just we connected with each other that that's not the

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Speaker 1: pair that I would have put together with that team.

499
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Speaker 1: Then today they have reality show like Boban and uh

500
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: and my guy over there in Philly to buy It's here.

501
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were kind of an odd couple. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, because at the time we were

503
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Speaker 1: just fansom. So it's like w w F we only

504
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Speaker 1: at the time resting the only guy with you Fantis

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Speaker 1: And I thought Patrick Hume was this mean guy that

506
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Speaker 1: sweating all the time, and I thought Larry Birds just

507
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, country and wouldn't talk to you. And you

508
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: know you find out man Nay two of the coolest

509
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Speaker 1: guys up. If the Fab five had this name in

510
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: image and likeness, Like what, how different do you think

511
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Speaker 1: it would have been after your freshman year at Michigan. Well,

512
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Speaker 1: I think even during our freshman year at Michigan it

513
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Speaker 1: would have been you know, incredible. Um, it's crazy because

514
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: then I think yesterday someone told me that it was

515
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Speaker 1: the twenty uh the University of being drafted at the

516
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Speaker 1: same time Supreme Court room and said, hey, it's just

517
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Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting because I always think about Johnny Manzell.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I like, uh, what if he

519
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Speaker 1: never plays football again? Right if he you know, he

520
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: went to Canada. We know he did all this some stuff,

521
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: and we know he was famous for money, and let's

522
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: just take any personal thought of more round, right, whether

523
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: he got in his place on his own or whatever.

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Speaker 1: He'll never be able to duplicate that again. And I

525
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: think what people don't realize is it was always it

526
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: was always a dumb quagmire because it had nothing to

527
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Speaker 1: do with the NCAA. You know how many local car

528
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: dealerships would get more money by paying the walk on

529
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Speaker 1: to come sitside autographs at that car dealership. One person's

530
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: going to buy a car, I mean spirit. So you know,

531
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Speaker 1: you just cast those numbers of a guy's value, and

532
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Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, that's the peak of

533
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Speaker 1: your value. It's the peak. And so to me, you know,

534
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: when I look at it, I think, you know, if

535
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Speaker 1: our jersey so well, if it was the highest time

536
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Speaker 1: of highest admissions in the school, if we could sell

537
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Speaker 1: black socks and harachis, and I'm pretty sure we would

538
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: have done well on our own selling T shirts at

539
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 1: ten dollars a pot before the game, because you think

540
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: about all the fake T shirts of us that went

541
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: on before the game. What if we could have just

542
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: sold those of ourselves, you know, you know what I mean.

543
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: So I just think it really it's the American way

544
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: to be with a huge and your likeness. Though to me,

545
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: it's just common sense, and I think we would have

546
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: we would have done pretty well. Would you have stayed

547
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: an extra year if you could have gotten paid as

548
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: as much as an NBA rookie, that's a great question.

549
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: So let's times were very different. So I was twenty

550
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Speaker 1: and I think at the time no player had come

551
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Speaker 1: out as a sophomore since Magic Johnson was the seventy

552
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: nine and mine's like eighteen years later, so big difference.

553
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I called the time we lost

554
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Speaker 1: the championship, I wanted to stay there anyway and try

555
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: to win the championship. You know, you're you're a kid,

556
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: you're young, figure that you're gonna live forever. And so

557
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: for me in my situation, well, most definitely, I was

558
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: thirty minutes from my mother's could came my family. I'm

559
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: the oldest of five. Yes, I would have and waited

560
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Speaker 1: to take that lead. Shock left the year before as

561
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Speaker 1: a junior, so it'll made sense to me. So yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I definitely would have a lot

563
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Speaker 1: to think about. It wouldn't have had any insduce and

564
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: you benefited, Jalen Rose benefited, you want Howard benefited, but

565
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ray Jackson and Jimmy King, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: pro careers and they could have gotten paid as members

567
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Speaker 1: of the Fab five. And the way the Fab five,

568
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: we're first of all, you're right, shout out to Ray

569
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: and Jimmy. They're smart. They could have done it, and

570
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: we had rose reaching things together, so we would have

571
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: been more empowered because everybody's average with them up because

572
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: you gotta pay ran and the same. So that's that's

573
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: definitely how we were. But I want you to think

574
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Speaker 1: about a guy on our team like Eric Riding. He

575
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: was a big ten shot blocking leader before we got there,

576
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: came there with us, he was on a ride so

577
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: all powered to his cards. No, we would have got

578
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: him things saying no, if you're gonna use me, you know,

579
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: could you use him next week? We would empowered everybody

580
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: to walk on. That's what I'm saying. The way we

581
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: were team first, the whole team would have been there

582
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: and maybe you take less or whatever. So no, this

583
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: empowers everyone. If I'm the best offensive lineman and I'm

584
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: going number one, I guarantee you all linemen can go

585
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: sign with me up here because now I can build

586
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: my power for the team, for the guys. You know.

587
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: So I think it's awesome. I think it's stupid to

588
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: celebrate because it's what it should be. You should use

589
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: your own name. But at the same time, I think

590
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: it's awesome for these young kids and these individuals to

591
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: be able to use their name to big the focus

592
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: on You know, it's so much pressure as a student athlete.

593
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: You still have to come through with the grades. Depending

594
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: on what program you go to, you work just as

595
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: hard as other students that at the same time, you know,

596
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: it's cool to be a kid Darrel campus depending on

597
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: pizza and everything. But you know, it's a different world.

598
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Some of these athletes have children, some of them have

599
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: families that that need that is great to go and

600
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: send that back to us. So I look forward to

601
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: seeing how the Supreme Court they're ruling the NCAA having

602
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: to accept it. I look forward to seeing how it

603
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: benefits allows announcing that happens. Oh, it's great to check

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Speaker 1: in with you, Chris. Thanks for joining us as always,

605
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: thanks for having me up. That's Chris Webber See web

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Speaker 1: member of the twenty twenty one Basketball Hall of Fame

607
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: class and former NBA analyst on TNT and the Fab

608
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Five at Michigan. I mean, he's right when you think

609
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: about Johnny Manzel and I tried to tell Johnny at

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Speaker 1: the time that you may not have a professional career.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy this moment don't throw this moment away. And

612
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to talk to somebody, and PAULI

613
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: went through one of his friends and I said, look,

614
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: I was trying to get him to talk to Ryan Leaf,

615
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: who had gone through a lot of different things in

616
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Speaker 1: his career, just because I've been around and I've seen this,

617
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: and you know, Johnny's just the next guy, and then

618
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: there'll be another guy and then another guy. But you

619
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: saw something there. He had a couple of magical years,

620
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: but I don't think he understood. And then he got

621
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns and he basically acted the way

622
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: he did in college, but he wasn't as good as

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00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: he was in college, and then people didn't tolerate him

624
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: like they did in college. And you know, I always

625
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: said that he is going to look back with regret

626
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: of what could have been, and that's exactly what happened

627
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: with him. But if he would have been able to

628
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: cash in during that magical run, you know, he would

629
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: have made a couple of million dollars. Now he might

630
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: have spent it, but he would have been able to

631
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: capitalize on that on his name, image and likeness. I

632
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: think if you sell a player's Jersey that player deserves

633
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: a cut of those proceeds. I really believe that if

634
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: you're selling an individual, then I think that they should

635
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: benefit there. I don't know how much. We're going to

636
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: talk to Darren Bell, who's been on this story. You

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Speaker 1: got guys who today are announcing deals. You have college

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Speaker 1: players who are announcing that they have deals. They have

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Speaker 1: deals with companies, they have deals with local you know,

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Speaker 1: brand logos. This is just starting. It was going to

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Speaker 1: start on July first. It is happening. Now. You have

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Speaker 1: athletic departments who have to they have to hire people

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Speaker 1: compliance officers just to make sure they understand. You know,

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Speaker 1: you've got to file taxes with this, like the NCAA

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Speaker 1: has changed overnight, and this is going to continue. It's

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Speaker 1: going to snowball. But next hour we'll talk to Darren

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Speaker 1: Ravell about this. But I did think about that with

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Speaker 1: the Fab five, they were big, and that was big

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00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: across the country, not just local, and they came back

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Speaker 1: for their sophomore season. Thanks for listening to The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every

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Speaker 1: time pro bowler Levarrington and I couldn't be more excited

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Speaker 1: to announce a new podcast called Up on Game? What

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Speaker 1: is up on Game? You asked, along with my fellow

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Speaker 1: pro bowler t J. Hushman's outa and Super Bowl champion. Yep,

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Speaker 1: with that type of talent on it. Up on Game

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Speaker 1: We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded

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Speaker 1: with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with Me

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Speaker 1: LeVar Arrington, t J. Hudshmans Otta, and Plexico Birds on

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

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Speaker 1: podcast from. We'll talk to Darren Ravelle coming up here

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Speaker 1: in a second. By the way, mclovet always loves to

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Speaker 1: bring up the Houston Rockets, and they weren't a great team,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't beat anybody, and they won because Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan was not playing basketball. To win the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: five NBA title, the Houston Rockets beat the Jazz who

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Speaker 1: won sixty games. The Phoenix Suns who won fifty nine games,

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Speaker 1: and San Antonio who won sixty two games. And then

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Speaker 1: in the finals they faced the number one seeded Orlando

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Speaker 1: Magic was Shaquille O'Neill and swept them. Yes, well, you

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Speaker 1: know what's funny. I was like their first title, they

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Speaker 1: were like the best team in basketball, and then they

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Speaker 1: just completely took the second year, the regular season off.

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Speaker 1: The second year, somebody's got a rip Rudy t for

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Speaker 1: not getting his team fired up, but they still won

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Speaker 1: back to back title. No, I'm sort of joking like

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Speaker 1: they were obviously correctly talented, but they're the lowest seed

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Speaker 1: to ever win it, and that's just weird. Darren Ravelle

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Speaker 1: the Action Network, Darren's been covering the athletes and their name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness longer than anybody in the business, and

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Speaker 1: we figured he'd be the right guy to talk to.

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Speaker 1: This is a happy national image and likeness day. How

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Speaker 1: would you up what has happened so far? Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess in the first since twelve Midnight, Dan, it seems

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Speaker 1: like it's been a little bit of a wild wild

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Speaker 1: West with athletes just signing deals with sports bars. My

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Speaker 1: favorite was Jordan Bohanan of Iowa doing an autograph signing

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Speaker 1: at a fireworks place today. But yeah, no, it's it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a cash grab. The problem is, you know,

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Speaker 1: there is still some compliance here. The people are going

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Speaker 1: to have to check with their compliance departments and make

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Speaker 1: sure they're not breaking rules. There are rules that are

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Speaker 1: still in place here, Dan, So people who have social

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Speaker 1: media followings, huge social media followings are expected to cash in,

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Speaker 1: and we're just going to have to see if this

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Speaker 1: is just fool's gold or if there's some real money

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00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: to be made by a bunch of people. You just

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Speaker 1: tweeted that the one of my favorite college players, Derek

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Speaker 1: Stingley junior, the cornerback at La Shoe, who has signed

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Speaker 1: with a sports bar that has nineteen locations within Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: like an ambassador for a sports bar. Yeah exactly. I

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Speaker 1: mean these are like typical endorsement deals, you know, the

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Speaker 1: I think where people have not taken into account. You know,

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Speaker 1: they think about Spencer Rattler in Oklahoma, they think about

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Speaker 1: Sam Howell at UNC, they think about the quarterbacks, the

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Speaker 1: running backs, all the guys who are lined up for

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Speaker 1: the Heisman, and say, these guys will make money. I

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Speaker 1: made a list of twenty people yesterday, and half of

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Speaker 1: them were women volleyball players Alanna Walker, Antoine Walker's daughter,

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Speaker 1: the Cavender Twins, the twins who are on the Fresno

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Speaker 1: State basketball team. There's a girl named Olivia Dunn who's

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Speaker 1: a gymnast at LSU who's expected to sign more than

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Speaker 1: a million dollars worth of deals today. She has a

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Speaker 1: tippock falling of three point nine million people. So it's

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Speaker 1: not only just athletes who are using sport to get

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Speaker 1: the endorsement. It's also people who happen to be athletes

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Speaker 1: who've used their stage to become influencers and now can

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Speaker 1: take money. But you start to look at this and

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing universities are hiring compliance officers or people who

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Speaker 1: can help the athletes business managers. Can an athlete hire

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Speaker 1: an agent? Can you have an agent that is helping

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Speaker 1: you with endorsements? Yeah, athletes can do that. There is

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Speaker 1: a fine line here. Obviously, most of them right now

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Speaker 1: are pretty much operating through direct message on Instagram. There

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Speaker 1: are standard booster rules. Obviously a lot of people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be the way to chiet an

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Speaker 1: inducement to be recruited. Hey, I'll do an autograph signing

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Speaker 1: after you sign. You'll do five thousand pieces, or you'll

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Speaker 1: do one piece for me and I'll pay you five

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. The one thing that's so crazy about

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Speaker 1: this DAN is that the NCAA has not had any

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Speaker 1: rules as far as what is the price that should be. Like,

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Speaker 1: if this person has this many followers, this is the

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Speaker 1: price that it should be in this range. If not,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's got to be double or triple checked.

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Speaker 1: There is no one on the nca side or anyone

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Speaker 1: who the NCAA has hired to checking these things. It's

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Speaker 1: all up to the schools. And then one more thing

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Speaker 1: with the schools. What happens if if Derek Stingley Junior

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Speaker 1: signs with walk Ons but the main sponsorship with LSU

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Speaker 1: is their competitor. I expect that to happen a lot now, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we can pay less. LSU's wanting this where we

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Speaker 1: want to ambush the official sponsor because you know we're

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Speaker 1: their competitor. I can see that happening. What about of

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Speaker 1: high school athletes? It's really once you sign, that's the rule. Um.

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Speaker 1: But then the question is our guy's going to sign earlier.

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Speaker 1: For example, arch Manning. I mean they're arch Manning. I

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Speaker 1: could see could make ten million dollars as a freshman

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Speaker 1: in college. Um, he's everyone who had Peyton and eli

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Speaker 1: are are are gonna want to sign him. Um, there's

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Speaker 1: no one really now coming up that. Like you see,

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Speaker 1: he's the guy when you say who is the guy

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Speaker 1: who is going to go to college and just blow

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Speaker 1: this thing up? That's the guy who I think of. So,

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Speaker 1: but he's got two years to go. The question is,

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Speaker 1: and there's still a lot of questions here. If he

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Speaker 1: commits to a school, does that start the timeline? Is

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Speaker 1: there going to be a salary cap? They're not going

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Speaker 1: to cap anything. Um, they're not allowed to. And the

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Speaker 1: NCA just had a had a case that they that

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Speaker 1: they lost where they're they're just going to be really

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Speaker 1: sensitive to capping everything. I mean, the question is going

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Speaker 1: to be how much are the schools going to help

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Speaker 1: out the kids. There's one thing that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: elephant in the room here is you know, when I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about name, image and likeness, and I've been covering

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Speaker 1: this since at least two thousand, it's always Jersey sales.

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I want the name on the back

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Speaker 1: of the jersey, but it's just always this weird thing

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Speaker 1: where they have the number. You know who it is,

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Speaker 1: that's why you're buying it, but it doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: guy's name on the back. Jerseys are not in this

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Speaker 1: conversation because it requires a business deal between the player

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00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: and the school, and they're just that's down the road.

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Speaker 1: You're not allowed to use any of the school's trademarks

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Speaker 1: or logos with anything you sell. Derek Stingley cannot appear

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Speaker 1: in an LSU jersey in a commercial for walk Ons.

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Speaker 1: You can, I believe, have autograph signings and the Texas

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Speaker 1: quarterback can sign a longhorn's helmet, but he can't create anything,

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Speaker 1: and you don't automatically get the trademarks of the schools.

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Speaker 1: There is so much to learn here, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of concerns I think too. You know,

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Speaker 1: the IRS is not ruled at all on this. Does

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Speaker 1: this make athletes employees? And all of a sudden is

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Speaker 1: their education taxable? I mean, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions to that have not been answered. Who do you

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Speaker 1: think is the most marketable college athlete in the past

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Speaker 1: that had this been in place when they were in college,

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Speaker 1: who could have capitalized Tebow. Yeah, that's why I would

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Speaker 1: say it goes. I would say it goes Tebow, Bush, Manzille,

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Speaker 1: those would be my top three. Um, but Tibo Tibo

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Speaker 1: sold so many jerseys. He would be the example. I

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Speaker 1: mean he would have made on a jersey deal that

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Speaker 1: he would have made one hundred thousand dollars easy on jerseys.

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Speaker 1: He's the best selling college jersey of all time. Whose

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Speaker 1: second I would probably say, I mean Bush probably was

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Speaker 1: was there, although obviously that was like oh five, so

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Speaker 1: it was a different era. But but but I would

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Speaker 1: I would I would say probably Bush would be number

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Speaker 1: two because basketball jerseys don't sell the same amount as

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Speaker 1: football jerseys do. Talking to Darren, my wife calling me.

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Speaker 1: She's in the Yeah, tell her you're on TV right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can text her. Um, it's also happy Bobby Bennie

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Speaker 1: a day. You've been covering this story for a long

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Speaker 1: long time. Bobby Benia, the former New York met So

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Speaker 1: he gets paid what one point one million dollars one million,

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Speaker 1: one hundred, nineteen thousand, two hundred forty eight dollars and

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Speaker 1: twenty cents every July first, every July first. So the

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Speaker 1: deal was the Mets didn't want to pay him. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand, he had five point nine million OZDE. They

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Speaker 1: gave him eight percent interest a year starting in two

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Speaker 1: ten to play at pay him for the next twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. So today is the eleventh installment of that deal.

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Speaker 1: Who get paid till two thousand and thirty five. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to guess that was a bad deal by the Mets.

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Speaker 1: Darn well, if you think about it. At the time,

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Speaker 1: they had a financial advisor named Bernie Madoff who was

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Speaker 1: getting them ten to fifteen percent a year. Of course,

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00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: so in retrospect that I seemed all right. You know,

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Speaker 1: the question is we had fun Today Everyone says, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's the greatest deal for Bobby Benia. If Bobby Benia

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Speaker 1: took the end. Obviously I'm just being a jerk here,

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Speaker 1: but if Bobby Benia took the five point nine million

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Speaker 1: and he put it into Amazon stock on the day

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Speaker 1: the deal was structured, he would have two hundred twenty

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Speaker 1: million today. Now he could have also put that into

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Speaker 1: pets dot Com, which eight months later went bankrupton was

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Speaker 1: worth zero, but just to have fun. Thank you, Darren,

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Speaker 1: you got it all right. That's Darren Ravelle. The Action

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Speaker 1: Network Canal answer the phone call from his wife,