Speaker 1: On today's episode the Command Center Podcast, we have the
Speaker 1: free agent frenzy, all the new signings, we discussed them all.
Speaker 1: We talked XFL kickoff rule.
Speaker 2: Fred, what do you think, man, I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean too. I'm really excited about. We got
Speaker 1: legend lineup. We're taking baseball and football and mix them
Speaker 1: in together. We got read Doddy stories and we got
Speaker 1: Lauren Landry swinging for the fences. It all starts right out.
Speaker 2: Gets your gas man, Welcome.
Speaker 1: On into the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan, Paul sit
Speaker 1: here with Fred Smoot and Santana mostin guys. We're talking
Speaker 1: about in the production meeting girls basketball.
Speaker 3: It's on top of everything. It's the best basketball in
Speaker 3: college right now.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and I think it has.
Speaker 3: A lot to do with you know, back in the
Speaker 3: day Pat and Ewan played at Georgetown. Yeah, but he
Speaker 3: would play his freshman year, sophomore year, junior year. So
Speaker 3: we get we get a history now with the with
Speaker 3: the girls. We just watched Angel Reese go against Ill
Speaker 3: last year, like, so this is a this is I'm
Speaker 3: turn into a trilogy. Alro So, I think right now
Speaker 3: women's basketball has captured our imagination because one they stars
Speaker 3: stay like two they repeatedly go to war against each other.
Speaker 3: And I think this the romantic size part that we're
Speaker 3: missing in the male's basketball.
Speaker 4: I think one of the things we spoke about, and
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how long ago this was. I think
Speaker 4: it was me and you were sitting in the room
Speaker 4: just talking about how how much of their.
Speaker 2: Games have changed. You know what I mean? These women.
Speaker 4: Nowadays their game is on the level of some men,
Speaker 4: and I think they have to even be more. I
Speaker 4: guess you can say critical about certain things that they
Speaker 4: do like men have, you know, different ways of beating you.
Speaker 4: They can out jump through you, dunk the ball, they
Speaker 4: can do so many things.
Speaker 2: These women have to be skilled. They have to have skill.
Speaker 4: They have to be able to drive, they have to
Speaker 4: be able to shoot, so that the game is transcendent.
Speaker 4: And I think it's one of the things that you know,
Speaker 4: when you watch the game, it pulls us into because
Speaker 4: you see these women now they're elevating, and it's one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why QB saying, Hey, Helen, come on
Speaker 4: us VIC three, show me sluve.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So do you think she should do it.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think.
Speaker 4: I think not only for the sake of the money
Speaker 4: part of it. I mean, because who's to say she's
Speaker 4: gonna make that in her career. With the w NBA,
Speaker 4: they don't make much.
Speaker 2: That's the problem with that. I do believe. I do believe.
Speaker 4: Now they're a bigger star, so they getting these these
Speaker 4: shoe deals.
Speaker 2: Now they're getting different.
Speaker 4: She got to deal with Nike and she will be
Speaker 4: able to make it over time.
Speaker 2: But I think that five million would be straight.
Speaker 4: So it would be something that she can do something
Speaker 4: with her family out the gate and not have to
Speaker 4: worry about trying to do this over her career.
Speaker 3: I think this is how because w NBA wages it's terrible,
Speaker 3: Like that's.
Speaker 2: Why these girls are staying in college. They make it
Speaker 2: more when nil deals.
Speaker 1: Also they go overseas Toney.
Speaker 3: This is the way I think you blow up the
Speaker 3: w n B A but also get them paid. I
Speaker 3: had this thing I call high school proposal. Even when
Speaker 3: we go to high school games, the girls.
Speaker 2: Play and the boys play.
Speaker 3: Because sometimes when I go to a Wizard game, by
Speaker 3: the time I sit down for a little bit, the.
Speaker 2: Game is over. Yeah, I'm serious, say it's the quickst
Speaker 2: doing so much. Yeah, it's going quick.
Speaker 3: So what if we went to a Wizards game, but
Speaker 3: the Mystics play first and then the Wizards play session.
Speaker 4: Now you feel the seat, Now you feel the se
Speaker 4: plus I get like.
Speaker 3: Six hours, four or five hours to be here, all right,
Speaker 3: So think about how much eye buy from the concession
Speaker 3: staying out, Think about my daughter watching the game, that
Speaker 3: she's watching this game with me. I just think that's
Speaker 3: the way to truly monetize it is to put it
Speaker 3: in the high school format and make the girls play
Speaker 3: before them.
Speaker 2: We got to put a petition out man, all these ideas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's bright though, because honestly, bro, you know, you
Speaker 4: know I haven't meant to missed this game yet, not
Speaker 4: to say that I don't want to, but who goes.
Speaker 2: To these games? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I watch them on TV right now and then you
Speaker 4: can see the seats now it starting to get, you know,
Speaker 4: a little more full than they was before.
Speaker 2: But I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Man, excellent point. Fred. All right, just remind you we're
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Speaker 1: What you read it like that, he's like a lot
Speaker 1: of bread.
Speaker 2: That's my Shakespearean voice, right, the Hamlet.
Speaker 1: The Hamlet voice, all right, So we can't escape it, boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a free agent frenzy and it's back. And we
Speaker 1: got some theme music for it, the one that Fred
Speaker 1: voted on. It's horror music. Yeah, why I don't understand
Speaker 1: the horror.
Speaker 3: Because you know what, it's Free agency is so scared
Speaker 3: because because you watch these guys be great somewhere else
Speaker 3: and you automatically think they're gonna be.
Speaker 2: Great for you.
Speaker 3: But one out of five free agents actually help your
Speaker 3: team win. So at the end of the day, as
Speaker 3: glorified as he is, and you know, some of these
Speaker 3: guys signed a hundred million like think about it. For instance,
Speaker 3: New York Giants signed Brian Burns, gave him a hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars.
Speaker 2: What if Brian Burns ain't a hundred million dollar pass rushing.
Speaker 3: So it's scary, but it's also satisfied, just like Halloween is.
Speaker 2: Halloween is scary, but you know you're gonna get that
Speaker 2: candy all day and it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: This guy over here, all right, Well, so these guys
Speaker 1: aren't one hundred million dollar guys have just been signed.
Speaker 1: We got Jeff Driscoll. I don't know how to say
Speaker 1: his name. I just called him Oz when I played
Speaker 1: with him, but Olama day Zakiyas, I'm sorry if that's wrong,
Speaker 1: and called him o Z. That's what we're gonna call him.
Speaker 1: Jerryman Nichols and then Malachi Walker are the guys that's
Speaker 1: signed here over the last couple of weeks since our
Speaker 1: last show, and just high level, like what did you
Speaker 1: think about these signings, Like what does this mean for
Speaker 1: the team, and like what do the role these guys have?
Speaker 2: Just keep it, I mean high level.
Speaker 4: I just think one of the things that stands out
Speaker 4: with all these guys you see in eight year veteran,
Speaker 4: six year veteran, four year five you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like they're veterans, They're guys that's going to be you know,
Speaker 4: these guys have sweat equity in the game already. These
Speaker 4: guys have played a number of years where they put
Speaker 4: enough on film that these coaches say, you know what,
Speaker 4: they we have a spot for them.
Speaker 2: We have a spot for them to either.
Speaker 4: Earn them a spot on this team or come in
Speaker 4: here and compete and show, you know, this team and
Speaker 4: what we are trying to you know, become. So I
Speaker 4: think it's great because one of the things that we
Speaker 4: talked about leading up until you know, the draft is
Speaker 4: what we have to do is basically build a team
Speaker 4: all over. I mean, we had twenty some odd guys
Speaker 4: on the team, you know, under contract, so you have
Speaker 4: to build that team. You have to build a base
Speaker 4: of that team up, and I think these have just
Speaker 4: added pieces to the base.
Speaker 3: I just think when you gotta when you got a band,
Speaker 3: everybody can't be Michael Jackson. Somebody gotta be t though, right,
Speaker 3: Like the floor of the band has to be raised.
Speaker 3: And that's when you when I look at these guys,
Speaker 3: I say they raising the floor of this building. They
Speaker 3: understand that we only good as the fifty third person
Speaker 3: on the roster. The fifty third person on the roster
Speaker 3: is a seven year of it that's been there, done
Speaker 3: that really to play and the drop off a dime.
Speaker 3: That tells me a lot about where the ceiling is going.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So if you raised the floor, the ceiling can only
Speaker 2: get hired.
Speaker 4: I think one thing too that stands out about seeing
Speaker 4: some of the things that we've been doing here. I
Speaker 4: talked a lot to you guys about how my ten
Speaker 4: years here went to three playoffs. Yeah, you know it's
Speaker 4: crazy that with the guys that we had ten years
Speaker 4: only had three playoffs appearances, only one one game, one
Speaker 4: playoff game in those ten years, and four years with
Speaker 4: the Jets we went to three the same thing three
Speaker 4: but that's in four years. Yeah, So we was going
Speaker 4: automatically almost every year when I was with the Jets.
Speaker 4: And one of the things I noticed about that team.
Speaker 4: I came in as a guy who they know that
Speaker 4: they wanted to depend on. I got hurt my first year,
Speaker 4: but they got a lot of us, you know, in
Speaker 4: the draft, like my year, the year before me, they
Speaker 4: got colds, and those guys you had John Abraham, you
Speaker 4: had Ellis Or you had Chad Peninsula, Ray mickens Day
Speaker 4: was in the draft before me, you had me. Then
Speaker 4: every draft they got some young talent. But when it
Speaker 4: comes to the base of our team, it was all veterans. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that one was one of the reasons why we
Speaker 4: was going to the playoffs because you had guys you
Speaker 4: just said it, guys that if somebody went down or
Speaker 4: somebody wasn't ready, you had a veteran there that could
Speaker 4: step in and be solid. I'm talking about he might
Speaker 4: not be like you said, Michael Jackson or that Curtis
Speaker 4: Martin all that. You know, that Wayne Quebec, but he
Speaker 4: was solid enough that he can go out there and
Speaker 4: get the job done.
Speaker 2: So when I'm.
Speaker 4: Watching these guys strategically build his team together.
Speaker 2: They're getting veterans, they're getting guys.
Speaker 4: That have a leadership that's going to go out there
Speaker 4: and like you said before, show some of these young
Speaker 4: guys what it takes to be a pro and how
Speaker 4: it is to be able to be one of those
Speaker 4: role players to come in and just do your job.
Speaker 2: You need that.
Speaker 3: You need big shot Bob, you need Robert or you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like you know, when the star
Speaker 3: but when you need me to make the play, I
Speaker 3: will be there and I will be waiting.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like you know, I played with Oz when
Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta. Yeah, he was a rookie when
Speaker 1: it was my last year there. And he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I think he was like a lot. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's tough, he's competitive, kind of like what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Guy like he could come in and spot duty and
Speaker 1: play a little bit. I played with Jeremy McNichols when
Speaker 1: I was in San Francisco. Again, that guy that's always
Speaker 1: he's always been the bride's baid, never the bride, like
Speaker 1: always kind of on the fringe, but has played played
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Was a good third down back for them,
Speaker 1: carried the ball well, So again, just a guy that
Speaker 1: adds some flexibility to the Rogers, some depths competition. The
Speaker 1: key is, yeah, he did. I think he returned kickoffs.
Speaker 1: He's kind that he's kind of that body type, right,
Speaker 1: he's kind of you know, he's six, he's five eight,
Speaker 1: but he's like one hundred. He's like two hundred and
Speaker 1: five pounds. He's like a little muscle guy. He's tough,
Speaker 1: he's competitive, and I just you know, he played a
Speaker 1: lot as a rookie and I thought he did a
Speaker 1: really good job. And he's played a lot in Philly,
Speaker 1: like relatively speaking, given the depth there. So I think
Speaker 1: those are guys that are really interesting. Jeff Driscoll is
Speaker 1: also interesting to me as a signing because he's a he's.
Speaker 2: A veteran athletic quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's athletic quarterback. He's a veteran guy that again has
Speaker 1: all that experience. And so I don't know when I
Speaker 1: think about you're probably drafting a quarterback at two, right.
Speaker 2: Probably gonna keep three you need to have, you want
Speaker 2: to have four going into training to camp period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think having guys around him that have
Speaker 1: played a lot, you know, like Jake from I like
Speaker 1: Jake from a lot, but having guy with this kind
Speaker 1: of experience, it's been in multiple systems, that could possibly
Speaker 1: another another resource for a young quarterback going in. I
Speaker 1: think is a pretty cool idea.
Speaker 3: So every time you say Jake for I just I'm
Speaker 3: on the custom saying from State Farm.
Speaker 1: It's very close, very close, It's very close. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it kind of speaks to the general philosophy, right,
Speaker 1: And you talked about this too, and I think this
Speaker 1: is a really good point. Is I think Peters has
Speaker 1: made a made a pretty clear assertion or statement that
Speaker 1: he wants to kind of build through the draft. But
Speaker 1: in order to do that, you need to have the
Speaker 1: scaffolding in place, right that the roster of veterans is
Speaker 1: there to kind of take everything that.
Speaker 2: You need to Matt.
Speaker 3: And then I think with the new kickoff return rules,
Speaker 3: I think guys like the key is going they got
Speaker 3: they got some more stand power with now, because when
Speaker 3: you take that that one play at the game, you
Speaker 3: take a guy like be Mitch out of your gameplay it.
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Speaker 1: The Well, so, Fred, you were starting talking about the
Speaker 1: kickoff rule. Yeah, and so let's the new kickoff rules.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that rule a little bit, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the ball will be still be kicked from the
Speaker 1: thirty five yard line. That's not a change. Every player
Speaker 1: on the kicking team, other than the kicker themselves is
Speaker 1: will now line up with one foot on the team
Speaker 1: on the returning team's fourty yard line. Yet right, ye,
Speaker 1: during this new kickoff, no players can move until the
Speaker 1: ball is fielded by the collar turn. So this is
Speaker 1: the old XFL rule. And I think Fred, you brought
Speaker 1: up a great point right at the gate. This now
Speaker 1: makes the kickoff returner a relevant position you need on
Speaker 1: the game. But how do you guys feel about this
Speaker 1: rule change. I know it's a departure from tradition and
Speaker 1: a lot of football purists, at least in my experience,
Speaker 1: I've been a little bit critical of this, but I
Speaker 1: want to get your guys thoughts on.
Speaker 2: I just want to see it work.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I saw a snippet of it watching
Speaker 4: XFL a year ago, and it wasn't that many big returns.
Speaker 4: You know, you probably have two or three of them
Speaker 4: ran back the entire spring. I guess you could say,
Speaker 4: but you saw God be creative. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 4: I had a guy that I played with in New York,
Speaker 4: Tory Woodbury.
Speaker 2: He was I forgot the team that he was.
Speaker 4: He was a special teams coach for now he's a
Speaker 4: special teams coach here at Howard. Yeah, I was so
Speaker 4: crazy that how you know for a circle he's back
Speaker 4: in the area. But I remember him telling me. I
Speaker 4: asked him about it. I'm like, bro, how did like,
Speaker 4: how do you like that? He was like, man, got
Speaker 4: to be creative. Like we're finding ways to be able
Speaker 4: to use these guys like they're in the backfield. Like
Speaker 4: it's basically like a running back getting the ball out
Speaker 4: of the backfield. You have to bring guys from one side,
Speaker 4: do different things, you know what I mean, try to
Speaker 4: you know, get that to spring that kick or whatever.
Speaker 4: So I just want to see it work. I want
Speaker 4: to see how creative some of these special team gurus
Speaker 4: are on this level and see we can get more
Speaker 4: returns than two or three this year.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about it is they want to see
Speaker 3: the return just happen, and what what was getting in
Speaker 3: the NFL was I think maybe thirty to twenty five
Speaker 3: percent even just raining the ball out right now with
Speaker 3: their kicking rule in the AX fil this eighty five
Speaker 3: percent return because most of the kicks they bringing them
Speaker 3: out because for the return team it's in your favor
Speaker 3: to bring it out.
Speaker 1: Now there's a penalty. Now the ball comes back out
Speaker 1: to the thirdidah.
Speaker 3: So it says, now let the return man return. And
Speaker 3: I think it just it brings another level to the game,
Speaker 3: cause we know this offense defense very exciting.
Speaker 2: But especially team got something very exciting about it.
Speaker 4: But it also shows you too that they're more worried about,
Speaker 4: you know, wanting to see the I guess you could
Speaker 4: say the excitement part of it, then worried about a guy.
Speaker 2: Like Jeremy Reeves who who made his living running down
Speaker 2: on kicks.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, I think it takes
Speaker 4: away from guys who really made a living out of
Speaker 4: running down on kicks because now you put me in
Speaker 4: a couple of mouths, they slowed the impact that no, no,
Speaker 4: that's no doubt, no doubt, it's about safety. But I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, like, how many guys this is going to
Speaker 4: affect that was that was just you know, I'm a
Speaker 4: kickoff demon, you know what I mean. You know, we
Speaker 4: had so many guys on our team that we knew that, Man,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit here and watch this kickoff because those
Speaker 4: guys sitting in the middle of a thing, I'm saying,
Speaker 4: So it's gonna go peel somebody.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to walk. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be interesting to me just to see what
Speaker 4: it takes from those guys who may live in just
Speaker 4: doing that.
Speaker 1: You know, I see when I was watching the XFL
Speaker 1: and I was covered. This was back when during COVID
Speaker 1: you know, just a couple of years ago now. But
Speaker 1: one of the things that stuck out to me is
Speaker 1: I do think it makes those special teams guys more
Speaker 1: relevant because this is a play that was almost completely dead,
Speaker 1: like you could get away, like you think about it,
Speaker 1: Joey slide Like one of the things like his superpower
Speaker 1: was they they had no returns allowed this year because
Speaker 1: he just kicked them all out the back of the end.
Speaker 1: So now those guys, you could put anybody out there.
Speaker 1: I could go out there and cover a kick. It
Speaker 1: didn't need to be Sean Taylor, Logan Paulson who's terrible
Speaker 1: at covering kicks and no one would even know, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think, like now you're trying to promote
Speaker 1: that this play is relevant again, You're gonna get guys
Speaker 1: who have special teams value. The back end roster guys
Speaker 1: are not just gonna be who's the best four string
Speaker 1: linebackers like who also can play teams. So I think
Speaker 1: it helps, It adds value to guys in my opinion
Speaker 1: after watching the XFL two guys like Jeremy Reeves, because
Speaker 1: this is the same format that you do when you're
Speaker 1: doing it in practice. People forget that, like you, right,
Speaker 1: the same skill set that you're utilizing when you're covering
Speaker 1: kicks in practice the using games. It's just again, like
Speaker 1: Fred said, the impacts not quite.
Speaker 4: I get your point too, because I wasn't looking at
Speaker 4: it like this, because you know it's it's we always prided, uh,
Speaker 4: those guys on the team, especially the kickoff team, to
Speaker 4: be in a run. And so now if you're not
Speaker 4: a runner, but you still make you can tackle tackle.
Speaker 2: If you ain't, you ain't got to worry about your running.
Speaker 2: We gonna put you right here.
Speaker 4: You know up front and when that guy get the ball,
Speaker 4: go make a play. So I get your point with that.
Speaker 3: This this, I think it opened up the NFL to
Speaker 3: say welcome back to the Mike Sellers and the rock
Speaker 3: Cock rights of the world, the people who made their
Speaker 3: living on special teams.
Speaker 1: I just think it makes it more relevant. Like I
Speaker 1: think you could get away with having bad guy like
Speaker 1: bad relative term here, bad guys covering kicks and bad
Speaker 1: guys on the return team because it just wasn't a
Speaker 1: thing you had to do very often. And now something
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to put some time in on to
Speaker 1: your point, get created from a coaching standpoint, and we
Speaker 1: got to teach skills. Now you got to teach skills
Speaker 1: on how we're gonna block this, how we're gonna return this.
Speaker 1: I gotta have a guy who's gonna hit this, because
Speaker 1: say what you want about the blocks, that returner still's
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: Bro, you gotta know he still gotta he still gotta
Speaker 2: hit that. He's still gotta be the toughest part.
Speaker 4: Like when I'm watching it was like pulling tea last
Speaker 4: year watching the XFL, cause I'm like, you can't. It's
Speaker 4: no right way to hit it like you gotta go full.
Speaker 4: You gotta be patient one or the other. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And so it's not I say I'm
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna pay attention from the standpoint I want
Speaker 4: to see the return part of it.
Speaker 2: But I understand the part of what you make.
Speaker 4: You know, the point you're making about you don't have
Speaker 4: to be a guy that's you know, that can run
Speaker 4: fast and get down.
Speaker 3: And I think you're gonna have to because returners are
Speaker 3: usually fast. And if you know, we all want bad
Speaker 3: angle from getting dusty.
Speaker 2: But this right here, now you know, it's no angle.
Speaker 4: It's like you're right here, Like the only thing you
Speaker 4: can do is block a guy will If you can block,
Speaker 4: you can make sure you get that behind in that hole.
Speaker 2: So you be like and be tight because.
Speaker 3: But if one of them returners hit that thing running
Speaker 3: and like, think about it, we go, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a small burst. You're gonna wait till he catch it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna burst, but then you're gonna have to break down.
Speaker 3: So that small burst and then you get to the breakdown. Now,
Speaker 3: I got to find the runner that's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 3: be different. I'm gonna need them to be chasers. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna need my kickoff team to be great chase.
Speaker 4: But if you watch the XFL and you saw what
Speaker 4: I was because I paid coach.
Speaker 2: You know, we went to together, we went to a
Speaker 2: cup of game.
Speaker 4: It just seemed like it was a bunch of just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be the ball of me down right here,
Speaker 4: because they ain't going nowhere until one or two guys
Speaker 4: burst one.
Speaker 2: You know, you know I had.
Speaker 1: One of the things they showed when they made the
Speaker 1: rule announcement is the teams in the XFL that were
Speaker 1: the most creative, so they were running you know, reversus
Speaker 1: counters and then all of a sudden it takes it
Speaker 1: Because I think about it, this is this is nerdy
Speaker 1: football talk, but essentially right now it plays like the
Speaker 1: run duo just blocking straight right and you're asking somebody
Speaker 1: to win on the hole, which is tough, right, But
Speaker 1: if you look at the teams that were successful, they
Speaker 1: were running it like power and counter on the outside zone.
Speaker 1: And if you can get that kind of line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage action there, you can get a pretty dynamic runner.
Speaker 1: So's it'll be interesting to see what it turns into
Speaker 1: I'm really glad from a football standpoint that the play
Speaker 1: is now relevant that I actually have to watch the play.
Speaker 1: I used to like literally, I record the game and
Speaker 1: buzz throll on the TV copy. I wouldn't even stop
Speaker 1: because it's going to be a touchback, it's going to
Speaker 1: go to commercial. I don't care, right, but now I
Speaker 1: gotta watch it. I gotta watch play and so, and
Speaker 1: I think it's going to help guys again, like the
Speaker 1: keyst guys who have some returnability to find a home
Speaker 1: on a team and running back, and they might be
Speaker 1: different skill sets than what we're traditionally accustomed to, but
Speaker 1: you better be able to shock and shed get to
Speaker 1: that football and make a tackle. So I'm excited for
Speaker 1: that one. The other one that I think is a
Speaker 1: little bit maybe more controversial because I actually think people
Speaker 1: are coming around on the kickoff thing, is the hip
Speaker 1: drop tackle. And this one, to me seems like it'll
Speaker 1: be impossible.
Speaker 2: Just tail us defensive players not show up. Just tail
Speaker 2: us not show up anymore. But you don't have to
Speaker 2: tackle like that though we already listen.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you saw some of the tackles that
Speaker 4: day was basically highlighting saying you can't do bro, It's obvious, like, Bro,
Speaker 4: you're gonna hurt somebody.
Speaker 3: One of the reason I'm jumping on your back is
Speaker 3: because you gotta step on me already.
Speaker 2: That's why you get a jump.
Speaker 1: But it's so let's be clear, I can still tack
Speaker 1: you from behind. I can still I can still do
Speaker 1: a hip drop, like I can still tackle that way.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, Australian rules rugby took this
Speaker 1: tackle out last year or two years ago, and everything's
Speaker 1: been fine. It's a very specific action. It's two hundred
Speaker 1: plays from last year's NFL. It's not anytime I'm behind
Speaker 1: you I tackle you. It's not me tackling you and
Speaker 1: flunging your legs. It's when you are dragging me and
Speaker 1: I intentionally drop my weight onto your legs, which is
Speaker 1: a play so fun that if you tackle correctly, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be an issue.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: This tackle came because of one day in queenn Do
Speaker 3: y'all not remain a melma. It's it's Seattle. They stole
Speaker 3: it to what they call alligator.
Speaker 1: It's a gat role, which is a different tackle than this.
Speaker 3: But it started because we couldn't hit we couldn't hit
Speaker 3: high no more.
Speaker 2: So one rule change for this rule.
Speaker 1: Change, it was it wasn't. It wasn't because the high.
Speaker 1: It was because of the helmet to helmet cond So
Speaker 1: they went and they consulted with the rugby leagues and
Speaker 1: the way rugby league's coaches. So like traditional like high school,
Speaker 1: like you know, you're out there, it's like get.
Speaker 2: Your head across the ball. Across the ball, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: Now you got to get Now with a alligator tackle,
Speaker 1: your hat goes behind the ball, but you get into
Speaker 1: an alligator role. And if you don't get the role
Speaker 1: right away, you're gonna fall in the dude to like probably, look, this.
Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying. So one rule a birth the
Speaker 2: other one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so ultimately, let me just say this, I do
Speaker 1: think that the rule on helmet to helplet contact makes
Speaker 1: players safer, allows player to have longer, healthier lives post football,
Speaker 1: and so I think that that is an important rule.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting rule because now it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a consequence of that initial rule change.
Speaker 1: I just don't know because like when you look at
Speaker 1: the so they did the thing on the NFL Network
Speaker 1: where they showed clips that they thought were hip drops
Speaker 1: that actually weren't hip drops. So even people who are
Speaker 1: who know what they're looking for are having a hard
Speaker 1: time identifying a sackle. So that's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's happened so quick, so like, are you gonna just
Speaker 1: call it if someone gets hurt?
Speaker 2: People have made that tackle and guys got up.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I've been hip dropped a ton of my career.
Speaker 2: To Roy Williams was good at that.
Speaker 4: He was doing it a different way though he would
Speaker 4: come dah.
Speaker 1: He got He was the guy that I heard the
Speaker 1: horse call. Yeah. So I just think I think it's
Speaker 1: a I appreciate the NFL's response and motivation to make
Speaker 1: the game safer, and I think it's still pretty physical game,
Speaker 1: like when you watch games on Sunday, like like there's
Speaker 1: still big hits. Guys have adapted to the tackling rules.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you give this to the
Speaker 1: officials and be like, hey, this is super subjective legislature.
Speaker 1: And so what I did here because I was complaining
Speaker 1: to something about this, is that the NFL is actually
Speaker 1: not going to encourage refs to call this penalty unless
Speaker 1: it's very obvious they're going to find players post game
Speaker 1: right to kind of get.
Speaker 2: It out of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you think about that.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know. It seems like it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: That's like me going through a light and I know
Speaker 4: I stopped at delight and then you're gonna get me
Speaker 4: a ticket in the middle, Like, I don't like that.
Speaker 2: Give me a flag if I did some wrong, don't
Speaker 2: make me get home. And I look at my locker.
Speaker 2: I got this dog on thing. You got, fine, give
Speaker 2: me five pouts. So that's I think.
Speaker 1: I think we all appreciate they're trying to make the
Speaker 1: game safe for the players. I just don't know. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how you call this play.
Speaker 2: I like trying to take the body slam out of rest.
Speaker 2: It just can't. Sorry but I did.
Speaker 1: But you but you know, but you didn't hip drop tack.
Speaker 2: I was going to say to me, hip drop tackling
Speaker 2: is a very.
Speaker 4: Specific thing, and it's a lot of these guys and
Speaker 4: you see nowadays who catch who catch tackle?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like to me, I think those are the guys
Speaker 2: that you you say.
Speaker 4: Okay, bro got a hit you gotta tackle because I
Speaker 4: see a lot of linebackers waiting for the guy to
Speaker 4: get on the side.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna jump on the back of and
Speaker 2: try to pull them down.
Speaker 4: So if you want to highlight those guys, yes, because
Speaker 4: I feel like that's the only time you see this
Speaker 4: tackle being made, or if it's someone that's just so
Speaker 4: so awkwardly tackled a guy and he didn't realize that
Speaker 4: this guy is strong, and the guy started getting carried
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, I got to save myself because
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look bad on TV.
Speaker 3: So you right, My hip tackling didn't come with dB.
Speaker 3: I mean with WHI receive was a running back. It
Speaker 3: came with tight ends.
Speaker 2: It came with bigger because tight ends are.
Speaker 3: So damn I need to I need to use everything
Speaker 3: I got and so I'm grabbing you, gonna match me
Speaker 3: grabbing you, you dragging me, And now I got a
Speaker 3: hollow shine.
Speaker 2: I need you because I need to get you down.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear, like you can still drop
Speaker 1: your hip to tackle, I just can't drop on your
Speaker 1: less And so it's a the march seems like line.
Speaker 2: They'll figure it out. They always do.
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Speaker 1: letters just messed with my dyslexia is so bad vertical.
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, here we go. So, so what
Speaker 1: we're going to do today is we're going to make
Speaker 1: a roster of veterans.
Speaker 2: A baseball lineup.
Speaker 1: Baseball lineup, and so I don't know that much about baseball,
Speaker 1: but our producer, Jason, just a guy. Jason did a
Speaker 1: great job of getting this all set up. So basically
Speaker 1: what he's done is he said, we're going to make
Speaker 1: like a hitting lineup for baseball, and we're going to
Speaker 1: put kind of Washington legends in there. So number one
Speaker 1: in the in the hitting lineup is a consistent hitter.
Speaker 1: So I'm on above average speed, gets on base, right,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we're looking for. So we'll
Speaker 1: read off each position as we go down, just to
Speaker 1: kind of give some clarity. Let's start with number one here.
Speaker 1: Who kind of fits that mold? Do you think in
Speaker 1: the in the storied history of the Washington franchise.
Speaker 2: I'm my leadoff hitter, and.
Speaker 1: We gotta we all gotta be on the same page
Speaker 1: with this.
Speaker 2: My lead off here is Dayre Green.
Speaker 3: Wait above every speed he gonna get on the base,
Speaker 3: he gonna allow the next hitter to make sure, Like
Speaker 3: I want, I want the first gown base to be
Speaker 3: a base stealing threat.
Speaker 1: But isn't he like isn't he like? He's like a
Speaker 1: home run guy though, because he's made big plays interceptions time.
Speaker 3: Oh really, maze, Hey he more speed, Like once I'm
Speaker 3: on the bags, now you gotta watch him.
Speaker 2: Hey, Darrel, is that second base he could steal third?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: Now he becomes a legit threat for the second hitter
Speaker 3: because the second hitter is a power hitter, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So second hitter is the best contact hitter, has good
Speaker 1: back control, surgeon with the bats, so.
Speaker 3: That means the ball wheel get it into the field
Speaker 3: with this guy. And if I got Dale green Lee,
Speaker 3: now I got a threat to go in and score
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: So are we actually Jason, I got a question for
Speaker 1: you can kind of here for a second. Are we actually,
Speaker 1: like kind of are we saying this is the based
Speaker 1: on athletic traits? Yes, so we're trying to do or
Speaker 1: are we saying based on play style while they were here?
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1: I'm taking it's pretty serious, guys. I'm taking it's pretty serious.
Speaker 2: I think I think both things could be right. I
Speaker 2: like that. When I heard it, I put myself there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, you know, because the first thing stood
Speaker 4: out was consistent hitter. And when I think a consistent
Speaker 4: hitter and a football terminology, it's a guy that's moving
Speaker 4: the chains consistently with my physician, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I was like, okay, when it was a first
Speaker 4: down need to be made, even when I was long
Speaker 4: into two and I was a third down guy coming in,
Speaker 4: I was in the I was in the option of
Speaker 4: getting the ball movie changed.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was a guy I remember, like, you know, I
Speaker 4: played cards in the off season with and Trail Row,
Speaker 4: you know, and Trail's and you guy he was younger
Speaker 4: than me, but he played with the Giants and he
Speaker 4: was like he's like, Tanny, you know what I hate, man.
Speaker 4: You know when you moved to the slot. We've been
Speaker 4: getting ready for y'all games. And I dB coach would
Speaker 4: tell of young guys, don't get don't get side traded
Speaker 4: and see eighty nine coming in the game and think he's
Speaker 4: he's no longer eighty nine. He not still gonna move
Speaker 4: the chains on you. So don't be that guy. And
Speaker 4: he said, I be damn third down, you got a
Speaker 4: first down, he said. The coach is shaking his head
Speaker 4: at So I laughed when I had those conversations with guys,
Speaker 4: because I never considered myself as still like being a
Speaker 4: guy that you talked about in your locker room year twelve,
Speaker 4: thirteen and fourteen. And I'm in the slot and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm coming in third down. But so when I saw this,
Speaker 4: I said, Oh, that's me. That's the guy that's gonna
Speaker 4: get on base and let.
Speaker 2: Everybody else do that. I can live with that. I
Speaker 2: could live with Santana.
Speaker 1: Like like Brigands or somebody like just the guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna be consistent, like cloud of dust, gut on there.
Speaker 2: I'm not my leadoff.
Speaker 1: So you're like, so we're not talking play style here.
Speaker 1: We're talking more.
Speaker 5: Like we're mixing the athlete and the play stoff the place.
Speaker 5: I like both those. Okay, all right, so leadoff. I
Speaker 5: mean either one is fine.
Speaker 4: It's no wrong the right answer. I just think it's
Speaker 4: just us saying who we like at des spot.
Speaker 1: All right, Number two, best contact hitter who has good
Speaker 1: back control, Surgeon with the bat. I don't know it's
Speaker 1: because he said surgeon, but I think Surgeon is.
Speaker 2: The number one thing standing out in my head.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start this one off. I'm gonna say, d
Speaker 4: Hall give you my example why. And like I said,
Speaker 4: we just trying to them into what they do.
Speaker 1: He also played baseball. NY worry about d Hall.
Speaker 2: So and one of the things about go ahead.
Speaker 1: Do you remember during the lockout year? I remember d
Speaker 1: We're having a meeting with the n f L p
Speaker 1: A and we're all talking about what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: and how we're gonna save this money, and we had
Speaker 1: this emergency fun if it early long and everyone's taking
Speaker 1: it really serious, and the Hall says, he stands up
Speaker 1: and says, I just go play baseball in the MLB.
Speaker 1: And I was like what, And he's very good baseball.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, he's a hell of
Speaker 2: an athlete. I know, like, didn't you play basketball to
Speaker 2: you can, but.
Speaker 3: This is one of the best, one of the better
Speaker 3: athletes I've been around. I think I have been around
Speaker 3: some like class A athletes like class A.
Speaker 4: So when okay, they have number two best best contact hitter,
Speaker 4: I think and I'm not so so I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to say that he was a good hitter when it
Speaker 4: came to football, but when it comes to his position
Speaker 4: being a cornerback. Yeah, the things that stood out to
Speaker 4: me about d Hall he was a surgeon and what he.
Speaker 2: Did best and this says a surgeon with the bat.
Speaker 4: He was a surgeon at dissecting and when the when
Speaker 4: they jumped that dog on interception. So I think of him,
Speaker 4: he's a he's a perfect guy for that, you know
Speaker 4: that fit, you know that criteria that just he was
Speaker 4: one of those guys that don't try him over there
Speaker 4: because he's.
Speaker 2: Good at what he does and he's going for show,
Speaker 2: make it hurt for you, and.
Speaker 3: He's gonna get a good outfeel to too. You might
Speaker 3: want to put him in shortstop. So he was I
Speaker 3: can dig d hout right there.
Speaker 1: I seeking like Sonny Jergensen because the surgeon, you know,
Speaker 1: like that kind of precision elemental. Okay, yeah, like like
Speaker 1: the Hall is a better athlete than say no offense
Speaker 1: to Sunday. But you know all right, okay number three,
Speaker 1: this is easy all around best hitter, contact power smart
Speaker 1: in London here, what would you do?
Speaker 5: I was going Sean Taylor there as opposed to power,
Speaker 5: scary window come on that.
Speaker 2: That you get. I seen the scary you can read
Speaker 2: a little more.
Speaker 3: But when I say when I see it all around,
Speaker 3: when I see it all around, I think that's what
Speaker 3: brought me to Sean because.
Speaker 4: But London was an athlete. London was a point guard
Speaker 4: in basketball. You can run better than the average and told.
Speaker 2: You to Washington dinastay. London is on that getting then interception.
Speaker 2: He can interceptions. He does spin move. He showed you
Speaker 2: young London. He almost got Tom Brady fire.
Speaker 3: So I enjoy that I can dig London there because
Speaker 3: we are gonna push on Taylor the scary guy.
Speaker 1: It's a scary guy power he's a yeah, so what
Speaker 1: is it? Hits hits the diggers makes the other team scared.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Truent Williams for this one. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he's a freaking yeah, he's a freaking dude. But Sean Taylor,
Speaker 1: Trent Williams kind of that freak athlete that fits in
Speaker 1: that spot, the guy that I mean Like, so for Trent,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously everyone knows Sean Taylor, but for Trent,
Speaker 1: like he was that dude. Man. You remember him run
Speaker 1: down on screens, getting out in the front, setting the tone.
Speaker 2: Have you ever played basketball with dude? I remember walking with.
Speaker 4: Him when he told me he played running back as
Speaker 4: a kid. I said, yeah, he was. He just grew
Speaker 4: up one day. He got older one day and it
Speaker 4: got bigger.
Speaker 1: And my favorite thing about Trent ever is him making
Speaker 1: tackles and interceptions, like because he would run down, he'd
Speaker 1: run past people, sink his hips and like light dudes up.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, man, like, where'd you learn how
Speaker 1: to do that? He's like I used to cover punts
Speaker 1: in college. He used to cover punts in college.
Speaker 2: What like a Dalius Thomas was a gunner?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Man? Like?
Speaker 2: He's an athlete. Man.
Speaker 3: I remember walking up playing the Baltimore in my first
Speaker 3: year and I as a coloner, I have to block
Speaker 3: the gunner for the point. And Jed, I mean my coach,
Speaker 3: was like, hey, we're gonna put up this lineback out
Speaker 3: there with you to help you.
Speaker 2: Like for what, because you're gonna have to block a dish.
Speaker 1: To watch film?
Speaker 2: You're telling me, no, no, this is before the week store.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, that's fine because I
Speaker 3: knew a day he's from Mississippi.
Speaker 2: And they were like, no, he is the gunner and
Speaker 2: he's the best gunner in the NFL. And I was like,
Speaker 2: my god, what have I got myself?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 5: Was he?
Speaker 2: He was like big, six hundred and fifty pounds, ran
Speaker 2: a four.
Speaker 1: Four forty playing college like Blacker him him.
Speaker 3: All these boys was at us at the same time. Uh,
Speaker 3: Pat Curtain a, Dlius Thomas.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They had like seven pros, TJ. Slaughter, Oh got like
Speaker 3: they was all the top Easton. They was all at
Speaker 3: the school at the same exac time.
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. That was like when like Greg Hardy
Speaker 1: or like even when Darren Waller was playing gunner, Like
Speaker 1: Darren Waller is like six two yes, covering down there anyway,
Speaker 1: So we got a little side track. So five hit
Speaker 1: her in the fifth spot is a contact with some
Speaker 1: pop like number three, but just a little less inability.
Speaker 2: I gotta read Doddie doubting. I gotta read Doddy some love.
Speaker 2: You hit me.
Speaker 4: He would have and won't and won't blink, you know,
Speaker 4: and but you put him in space.
Speaker 2: I was you know, read was money. We was DB's again.
Speaker 3: And see people don't stay read. Were hearing Nate and
Speaker 3: people didn't know he couldn't hear.
Speaker 1: You tell his story all the time. Every time we talk.
Speaker 3: About He used to get so mad at me. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not the type of guy that played tricks doing
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: You play tricks in the game, you know.
Speaker 3: I get to the huddle and read a look at
Speaker 3: me because he won't on me to tell him to call,
Speaker 3: and I just I.
Speaker 2: Do this with my lips and I'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, making those sounds, no sound, what's the call?
Speaker 1: Was such a good dude. You were just making that
Speaker 1: guy and he was probably like young when you played
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but but listened. Would go to the wall
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: Though with his body said percent. He leave him by
Speaker 3: to be a bit of two percent.
Speaker 2: He used to give his body.
Speaker 1: I remember him tackling Brandon Jacobs, like just throwing his
Speaker 1: soul into the tackle. They come out with like a
Speaker 1: broken stern up and then play play the rest of
Speaker 1: the game. Dude.
Speaker 4: For all our fans that listen to this, y'all, y'all
Speaker 4: give a special shot to read make sure y'all tag
Speaker 4: him on this podcast because we got to get read
Speaker 4: out more Flowers. Man, he was one of those guys
Speaker 4: that you know how like when you're on the team
Speaker 4: with guys keeps the team together. It's not even that
Speaker 4: it's like I told you how it was with guys
Speaker 4: like you might not I might not share nothing with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I had love for I would look at like,
Speaker 2: you know what, but that worked. I think I invite
Speaker 2: him to my house with dinner, like he's one of
Speaker 2: those and we Re showed up with a neck break.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the neck row. The netro that's right, had
Speaker 1: a cracked up. Dude. He was crazy, man. He was
Speaker 1: not like a big guy.
Speaker 4: In rep right, bro, but he threw his body or around.
Speaker 4: You know, Re said, I got one way to make it.
Speaker 2: He would have been great with his defense. The defense.
Speaker 2: He would have been great with his defense.
Speaker 1: No doubt anybody else that kind of fits that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I got another read tight end read Jordan Reed. Jordan's
Speaker 2: Oh Jordan Reed.
Speaker 3: Jordan Reed is one of the biggest Washington football ifs ever.
Speaker 3: I just think this dude talent was through the roof,
Speaker 3: like I think highly the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was, you know, outside of Santana,
Speaker 1: maybe the best route runner that I played with my career.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you what I'm saying, but like the type
Speaker 1: of guy, like I remember him doing one on ones
Speaker 1: with the DB's. I remember, this is not to hate
Speaker 1: on Josh s. Norman. He came to the first practice.
Speaker 1: Josh Norman is this guy just made all this money,
Speaker 1: all this part. Remember that he's bawling in Carolina. It's
Speaker 1: his first day of practice. And Jordan's like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do one on ones. And it's like kind of like, no,
Speaker 1: you're a tight end. And Jordan gets out there.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, dangate Adams.
Speaker 3: When I watched Adams him and joyed rerun the round
Speaker 3: like basketball.
Speaker 2: Players patient, Yeah, just how to set you up?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So number six, y'all gonna laugh with this one.
Speaker 1: Swings for the fences, swings out of his shoes will
Speaker 1: strike out a lot.
Speaker 3: I got run Landry, that's my dog.
Speaker 2: But that damn Landry gonna here. You're gonna knock you out.
Speaker 2: You're gonna miss, You're gonna hit the TV. Landry.
Speaker 1: That's funny, so funny.
Speaker 2: I talked to l Run two weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Real, I'm having call in on one should so we're
Speaker 3: gonna get him back in the fold.
Speaker 2: But you hit this from right on the road. That
Speaker 2: damn you know what?
Speaker 4: You know what always stands out to me him getting
Speaker 4: that Djack that game against the first game of the season,
Speaker 4: talking that crap.
Speaker 2: With DJA and the first player of the game. Look,
Speaker 2: they did this to that boy, and that boy came
Speaker 2: up running.
Speaker 1: And is the post safety like that?
Speaker 2: Why did you bite him back there?
Speaker 1: Man? Also, I know Lauren gets a lot of hate
Speaker 1: for that play specifically, but my rookie year, that dude
Speaker 1: was on pace to be defensive MVP. I think through
Speaker 1: like six games he had like one hundred and five tackles,
Speaker 1: two interceptions, and five sacks.
Speaker 2: That was through like eight games.
Speaker 4: And what I'm saying, you remember people, people forget that
Speaker 4: like he was like when he was on he was
Speaker 4: on Offen say this hateful to run that he didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to have Sean, because if he had Sean,
Speaker 4: the Holy Team would have.
Speaker 2: Made his career.
Speaker 4: Like having Sewn Kase, Sean would no longer got to
Speaker 4: play strong. Just let let the run go up and
Speaker 4: do what he want to do. He want to, he
Speaker 4: want to, He want to go in there and eat.
Speaker 4: He want to go out there and tackle. Seawn could
Speaker 4: have played that center field, and he was a strong
Speaker 4: safety naturally, but he was a hell of a cover
Speaker 4: safety too.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: He would go sideline aside.
Speaker 3: At the time, you're talking me Sean Streams, Collos Rogers,
Speaker 3: Sean Taylor run. You can't get too many defensive backfields
Speaker 3: like no, then we add a d hall in the
Speaker 3: middle of it, like you gotta realize when we stepped
Speaker 3: like my DV coach, like, I ain't got to do muhing, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put whatever five of.
Speaker 2: Y'all I wanted.
Speaker 4: No One was so sad about that because as a receiver,
Speaker 4: I see this every day and I'm like, how in
Speaker 4: the hell they getting beat? And then look up at
Speaker 4: our front line. We ain't got nobody, nobody getting out
Speaker 4: to the quarterback. I mean it was at one time.
Speaker 2: I sat there. I told you, I waited for Dee.
Speaker 4: Hall come off the field, and de Hall came off
Speaker 4: like he was like pissed, and I said, bro, I
Speaker 4: counted the rocks rest Wes Welker ran eight different routes
Speaker 4: to get open, and Tom was just sitting there waiting.
Speaker 2: The Hall had covered him so long somewhere he couldn't
Speaker 2: cover him no more. And then he got open and the.
Speaker 4: Boot touchdown and I said, d All, that one't your fuck, bro,
Speaker 4: No one's putting pressure on this quarterback. So I hate
Speaker 4: to the fact that we had so much talent in
Speaker 4: our secondary man, and we just ain't have No, we
Speaker 4: ain't have a good enough rush didn't come together.
Speaker 1: I like that one though. That's probably the best one
Speaker 1: so far. All right, seven, you're okay, nothing great, but
Speaker 1: everything you do everything, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me, is it you? I'm gonna say that
Speaker 2: something like that, I say, I put Kejr. Ghost.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Ketj put Ketch you.
Speaker 4: I think he was just solid man, like he was
Speaker 4: one of those guys who you know, they didn't give
Speaker 4: him no credit, but he was every time you put
Speaker 4: him in the game.
Speaker 2: He made a play, Yeah, made a play.
Speaker 1: Was excellent at that, Like he was just such a
Speaker 1: good leader, very solid.
Speaker 4: Another one I got Rocky mcintized, Rocky mcintize, because nothing.
Speaker 3: Makes me feel better than walking to hudder and look
Speaker 3: around and Rocky smile.
Speaker 4: I still I still laugh at the story that London
Speaker 4: gave me with Rocky. He said, I have to tell
Speaker 4: you this story one day about rock You know, Rocky
Speaker 4: and Hurricane. He said, Man, you know you know as
Speaker 4: a linebacker. You know I watched so much to whereas
Speaker 4: that if I see something go different, i'ma I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call a play.
Speaker 4: That's gonna benefit that up because of it, because we
Speaker 4: know it we ran in the week before or whatever.
Speaker 2: He say. Man, I ain't trying to put your boy
Speaker 2: on it. I ain't trying to put him out there.
Speaker 2: He say. I told Rocky, hey, we're gonna do this,
Speaker 2: do this because they keep doing it. Rocky saying, no,
Speaker 2: we ain't go We ain't go over.
Speaker 1: There this week.
Speaker 2: I'm doing what coach said, these ain't Rocky, we done
Speaker 2: ran it before, not this week. We ain't doing any practice.
Speaker 2: He said. Rocky would not go outside of the box.
Speaker 2: Tell him. So it was just funny.
Speaker 4: Else it was funny because I remember me and Reggie
Speaker 4: doing that in college. So you know, for you know,
Speaker 4: we played together four years, you know as true freshman's.
Speaker 4: You know, Reggie started as a true freshman. I came
Speaker 4: in on third downs as a slot receiver, and then
Speaker 4: next year I started at the Z and still played slot.
Speaker 2: So Reggie got tired of like we just not up
Speaker 2: on the same side. We just do.
Speaker 4: Everybody knows Reggie's on the ball and was off the ball.
Speaker 4: So we got to the point that every time we
Speaker 4: came in till we was doing Zacha zip Zacha zipp
Speaker 4: would be like zach to the other side of zip
Speaker 4: to the short side. There was emotions and when we
Speaker 4: had like you know, a bunch of formations or something,
Speaker 4: instead of Reggie taking the ball, you take the Ballggie
Speaker 4: come over. So CJ, our receiver coach, which is the
Speaker 4: head coach of the Houston team right now, are for
Speaker 4: the UFL.
Speaker 2: CJ got mad.
Speaker 4: He got us on the phone. Bro, say b you know,
Speaker 4: he from New Orleans, say, Bro, what y'all doing out there?
Speaker 4: And reggis like, calm down. He made the play, right,
Speaker 4: He's I just don't want the other guys to get
Speaker 4: confused and say, no, we're letting everybody know that me
Speaker 4: and Tan are gonna switch positions to try to get
Speaker 4: other guys over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, you y'all, y'all made it. Y'all, y'all
Speaker 2: don't need me no more. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it was just funny because once you watched the film,
Speaker 4: you realize that we really was out there, you know,
Speaker 4: playing chess instead of checking.
Speaker 1: You do that on your own own. That's unbelievable because
Speaker 1: I know, like Kyle would spend like days formation trying
Speaker 1: to twitch a bitch and get and you guys just
Speaker 1: said we was to the point.
Speaker 4: Where we played as freshmens, we dominated a freshmans, we
Speaker 4: had great sophomore season, we had our junior year, and
Speaker 4: le's go ahead and play with these guys.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: You know we're gonna make you think a little more
Speaker 4: because now you know you can't just say ready to
Speaker 4: X ten of disease.
Speaker 2: Them gonna tell us the truth?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So we're on eight now eight and
Speaker 1: that is you're here for defense. Not a good hitter,
Speaker 1: but you an excellent fielder.
Speaker 2: So I don't even That's where I got stuck at. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's you like I didn't have a guy because
Speaker 2: I'm like, I ain't got to be a defensive with
Speaker 2: offensive prowise.
Speaker 1: But how are you defensive player with offensive? You got
Speaker 1: something Jason we got.
Speaker 3: Was of a defensive player with offensive Sean Taylor had
Speaker 3: off Champ Bailey.
Speaker 2: Receiving yours and rushing yards.
Speaker 6: Maybe you could look at it as a guy that
Speaker 6: did one thing exceptionally well, like that was his thing.
Speaker 1: Andre Cottle, Dude, what arens Alexander.
Speaker 2: Games?
Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He just was like he don't fit that because he
Speaker 2: was he was great.
Speaker 1: That we like the special like the special team's ability,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like he just was a
Speaker 1: he's a dude.
Speaker 2: Let's go Mike Sales here because Mike, I'm just here. Indeed,
Speaker 2: his he did what he great? Like Mike for that,
Speaker 2: Mike Sales.
Speaker 1: All right, that's one number nine speed demon.
Speaker 3: Not a right hitter, heyst town of number one in
Speaker 3: the leadoff. It's gotta be dyrel great, No, but it don't.
Speaker 1: But it's a great hitter, but.
Speaker 2: Can't fly like this is need somebody who is like
Speaker 2: arms We need somebody Armstrong.
Speaker 4: We need somebody who wasn't great at that position, but
Speaker 4: was great when it came to just running by you.
Speaker 2: So you got to look at the whole thing. So
Speaker 2: Darryl Green was great, you know what I'm saying, all right,
Speaker 2: all around great.
Speaker 1: So we need a guy who wasn't what's his first name?
Speaker 2: Armstrong? Yeah, Armstrong, who you're talking about? Go with the
Speaker 2: return guy?
Speaker 1: That was thanks dude, Armstrong. Dude, this is this star
Speaker 1: about Armstrong.
Speaker 2: So we used to do fly.
Speaker 1: So Armstrong can't remember his first name, Brandon Banks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that, but he used We used to
Speaker 1: do flying. You could run into the kickoff, right, and
Speaker 1: so Danny Smith used to measure forty times to see
Speaker 1: how it was a flying forty Anthony Armstrong, great, dude, Sorry,
Speaker 1: remember your first name, Anthony. But anyways, she used to
Speaker 1: do flying forty times. I remember we're in a meeting
Speaker 1: one time and he's going over everyone's flying forty times,
Speaker 1: so like mine's like a four eight, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's like my normal forty times slow. And he gets
Speaker 1: to Anthony, who was the number two, and you know what,
Speaker 1: it was if you can guess it, it was like
Speaker 1: for two it was a three seventh. I know, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it was My dude could straight.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: You remember in twenty ten, man, when he became the
Speaker 4: starter at Z had like a thousand.
Speaker 2: You know, he had nine hunred I had.
Speaker 4: I had a thousand that year he had nine hundred,
Speaker 4: and I was mad because I'm like, this was gonna
Speaker 4: get him paid, you see what I'm saying. And I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: and he I remember had that conversation. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 4: it's all you needed that thousand because you know these
Speaker 4: teams are look at that and be like, well he
Speaker 4: just got a thousand yards. We gotta pay him like
Speaker 4: a one a thousand yard receiver, you know. And he
Speaker 4: ended up going to the Cowboys next year?
Speaker 1: Was that the next year?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The next year he didn't come back and they
Speaker 2: didn't even use him.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm like that dude could straight fly. Brandon Banks
Speaker 1: and fly. Did you play with anybody like that? Listen?
Speaker 2: Man? Hey, my generation was speed personified.
Speaker 4: I got a great story about Brandon. So you know,
Speaker 4: Brandon is just going straight out fly little dude, So.
Speaker 1: You have to use you know, three the servet forty
Speaker 1: started to cut you off.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: So we were we were. He was here for he
Speaker 1: was a trial and we were at their same rookie municamp.
Speaker 1: We came at the same time. So they said, hey,
Speaker 1: everybody who's not a priority for agent has to come
Speaker 1: out and run a forty if they want. So Brandon
Speaker 1: is fully spatted up. Just finished practice, mind you, okay
Speaker 1: on that turf outside the astro turf. He ran up
Speaker 1: four two four two four and spatted cleats on astro
Speaker 1: turf after practice.
Speaker 2: He could fly, but don't thee Star wars fly to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he can fly to So no, no getting back
Speaker 4: to Brandon. So he was running these kickoff he kept
Speaker 4: breaking them. And I remember when I was with the Jets,
Speaker 4: I had a guy named Jonathan Carter and he was
Speaker 4: a guy from Troy. He from Alabama, Alabama bread guy.
Speaker 4: I had to play that Troy had. He played a
Speaker 4: year at the Giants. He came over to us, and
Speaker 4: I remember I take I took him home one off
Speaker 4: season and brought him back and her Matt was brought
Speaker 4: me in his office said hey, you did that, So
Speaker 4: what you're talking about?
Speaker 2: He said, He said, who who Jay? Call him?
Speaker 5: Ja?
Speaker 2: He said who Jay Gud was working with this summer.
Speaker 2: I said, Now, I took the Miami with me. We
Speaker 2: worked together.
Speaker 4: He said, Tannah, you got a job at this if
Speaker 4: you ever want to come and be a coach. He said,
Speaker 4: I have never seen a turner. The guy was a
Speaker 4: running back, but he was tall. The man was running
Speaker 4: routes like but all he did was just watch me
Speaker 4: run routes. And he just did everything I.
Speaker 2: Did, so I couldn't take credit for it.
Speaker 4: But he just came around guys like myself so fast,
Speaker 4: fast forward. Brandon Banks reminded me of Jay Gutter.
Speaker 2: They so fast. Put You're in the NFL. Everybody's fast,
Speaker 2: so they would break these things and guys will.
Speaker 4: Catch him in an angle. So I told Jonathan the
Speaker 4: same way I told Brandon. I said, bro, when you
Speaker 4: getting open cut across field, don't try to outrun everybody
Speaker 4: getting the guy up on you and break put it,
Speaker 4: put your foot in the ground. His first return, both
Speaker 4: of those guys first return was off of me telling
Speaker 4: me both of those guys, So, yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, great coach. All right, So Jason you got there,
Speaker 1: you got our team. He got our lineup.
Speaker 6: I got it, all right. I want to reiterate here
Speaker 6: to our fans if we didn't say it. These are
Speaker 6: guys you played with most like there are a lot
Speaker 6: of legends that are obviously hollering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't want to go to back. We didn't
Speaker 2: want to do guys, you know, right.
Speaker 6: Uh So here we go leading off, Santana Moss, d Hall,
Speaker 6: London Fletcher, Sean Taylor, cleaning up, Read Dowdy, Lauren Langy
Speaker 6: just swinging for the fence, Kendrick Goldsend, Mike Sellers and
Speaker 6: then Anthony Armstrong or Brandon Banks and I put at
Speaker 6: d H Trent Williams.
Speaker 3: Like see that what I'm saying that they had no
Speaker 3: rivalries and no no major group come be wrong or right.
Speaker 2: Some guys people remember, some guys people don't. But I
Speaker 2: also would like to tell the ax, the fans, tell
Speaker 2: us who you think that's best for those slots.
Speaker 6: It's great, absolutely, And I'm gonna throw one out to
Speaker 6: you guys, all right, who's the ace, the starting pitcher,
Speaker 6: the guy you need?
Speaker 2: You need them to come in?
Speaker 6: You're like an ace and baseball, if you're losing four
Speaker 6: games like you, you're ready for this guy to come in.
Speaker 2: He's gonna put your back.
Speaker 1: Guy.
Speaker 3: People ain't gonna like this, but he threw gays how
Speaker 3: all the time, and they probably got him fires.
Speaker 2: Pat Ramsey, Yeah, and you was and you were sniffing
Speaker 2: that day because because you're tripping right now.
Speaker 4: So so what I would say is, this is the
Speaker 4: only time I would dig deep outside of a guy
Speaker 4: that that I played with. And I'm only gonna do
Speaker 4: it because I feel like this guy deserves that.
Speaker 2: I say, Joe Thimany, we used to return punts.
Speaker 4: We talked so much about Doug. Doug did a hell
Speaker 4: of a job Unner, you know, winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: But I think thisman and Ripken don't get enough credit
Speaker 4: for what they've done as quarterbacks. Here and Joe, Joe's everywhere,
Speaker 4: He's all over everywhere, but we don't talk enough about who.
Speaker 2: He was to this team before he got hurt. Loved Joe.
Speaker 2: He was that dudey Joe, and you played football in
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 1: You great.
Speaker 2: I don't know, no bad Joe.
Speaker 4: Now you look at his career like Joe was like,
Speaker 4: like you know how you and tell us you did everything.
Speaker 4: Joe actually did everything.
Speaker 2: I don't know he did. He may return punts in
Speaker 2: the game like.
Speaker 4: Number Seriously, he's number eight on the punt return listen
Speaker 4: here every Yeah, he turned punts bro as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, is there anybody like from
Speaker 1: a past rush standpoint that would be like the closer
Speaker 1: for you? Like I was thinking like Ryan Carrigan, like
Speaker 1: Bruce Say. I played with Brew but he was like
Speaker 1: near the end though, right, but he was still he was.
Speaker 2: Still past rush. So you know, you got your Drake cords.
Speaker 2: Other world you got. You know, if I could say
Speaker 2: one position we.
Speaker 3: Probably ain't hit on all the time, probably has been
Speaker 3: there with Char's man and dexter manmon guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, those guys we didn't. We didn't go that deep.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna say a guy who was with us
Speaker 4: who I feel like the defense changed and and it
Speaker 4: messed him up and why Marcus Washington. Yeah, if he
Speaker 4: was able to play the play the guy. If he
Speaker 4: was able to get outside as an outside lineback three
Speaker 4: rush and just going go out to the quarterback and
Speaker 4: do what he did best, man, this guyud have been
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl every year.
Speaker 2: Leavar Arrington too. The bar was not supposed to be
Speaker 2: in space.
Speaker 1: Just kind of wondering because I always think of, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously quarterbacks, strong guys.
Speaker 2: So Rush, I would probably go LeVar. LeVar had some specials,
Speaker 2: special stretch. Still, yeah, he was different. He was just
Speaker 2: an animal, man, he just yeah.
Speaker 1: And so like Tanna said, if you guys have different lists,
Speaker 1: maybe you're an older fan. You want those guys, those
Speaker 1: kind of legends to be able. Yeah, yeah, put them
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: We love to hear it because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get to set evolved. That's right, that's right. So guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining and thanks for listening, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. Thanks.
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