WEBVTT - Happy Half Hour Episode 44: A Lot Can Change

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Happy Half Hour with your friends

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen Balboni, Will, Brian and Darren Gamp. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Half Hour podcast. It's your friends Kristen, Will and

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<v Speaker 1>Darren along with producer Matt And it's that time of

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<v Speaker 1>the year guys. Where I mean, we recorded last week

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<v Speaker 1>right around this time, and I feel like it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a year because so many things in panther Land have changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week, yeah, a month ago, last week when they

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<v Speaker 1>were about to play a third preseason game and we

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen Sam Donald play much football and all that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, and all by the way, they've cut

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<v Speaker 1>people and done all this other stuff since then, We've

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<v Speaker 1>come a long way. It's a lot happening here. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And we also are going to start our disclaimer that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we do weekly during the regular season,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that we are recording this on Wednesday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the time this comes out, things will have

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<v Speaker 1>changed because we are in that initial roster, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>still looking, you know, putting out waiver claims. All that

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<v Speaker 1>is happening right now. But as of yesterday, we do

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<v Speaker 1>have the initial fifty three man roster, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to start, of course, knowing that it

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<v Speaker 1>is going to change maybe significantly UM in the time

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<v Speaker 1>that this podcast comes out, and certainly before the first game.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do want to get a big takeaway from

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<v Speaker 1>what you saw overall. I don't know if it's we

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<v Speaker 1>should maybe do it by position groups. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>like there'd be a good way to go, So I'll start.

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<v Speaker 1>No one asked me, but I'll start the host. I

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<v Speaker 1>do what I want UM, And of course I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to take the easy one before before anyone UM goes there,

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterbacks. So for going one takeaway at a position group,

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<v Speaker 1>it was that p J Walker one the backup job

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<v Speaker 1>over Will Grier, despite Will Grier certainly I thought giving

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<v Speaker 1>PG run for his money, especially in those last two

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<v Speaker 1>preseason games. So I think that was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>big headlines that came out of the UM initial fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three man roster is that Will Greer is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>on the team, right, And I feel like we should

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<v Speaker 1>also record and have Matt splice something in later well

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<v Speaker 1>after the Panthers claimed Kingele mccringelberry off waivers Wednesday. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we could just fill in the blame. Yeah, different names,

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<v Speaker 1>drop a boy see in later. But yeah, at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment we're recording this sitting on two quarterbacks, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that's a little bit risky simply because, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even though the COVID restrictions aren't as stringent as they

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<v Speaker 1>were this time a year ago, having an extra guy

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<v Speaker 1>around who knows your stuff and who is available and

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<v Speaker 1>who you know can operate at a reasonable level on

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<v Speaker 1>short notice is something I think they'd be interested, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're They're almost certainly going to add another

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback to this roster in the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know who it is at the moment. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's going to be a veteran practice

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<v Speaker 1>squad or anything like that. But yeah, I mean, having

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<v Speaker 1>a third round seems reasonable. But they are confident enough

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<v Speaker 1>in PJ that m they're willing to roll with him

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<v Speaker 1>for now, which is you know, I I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was debatable which of those two backups had the better preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Will played pretty well, like you mentioned, Kristen those second

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<v Speaker 1>two games. Will was really good, and I think Will

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<v Speaker 1>will have opportunities, whether it's here somewhere else coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean it does stand out right now

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment as we talk about this at ten

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven on Wednesday morning. The good news is darreny

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<v Speaker 1>threw in a lot of words in in um that

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<v Speaker 1>last sentence of like whether they claimed someone off waivers veterans,

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<v Speaker 1>So we have a lot to splice in and I

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<v Speaker 1>bet we can get to if they do pick someone

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<v Speaker 1>off a good description from Darren just based on the

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<v Speaker 1>words that we can edit. Let's say signed Vinny test

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<v Speaker 1>of Virgin or something like that, and then we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a breaking podcast if that happens. The best part for

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<v Speaker 1>me was as he got into it, he leaned forward

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<v Speaker 1>and took his glasses off, and that's when you knew

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<v Speaker 1>that Darren meant business on this. On this for those

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<v Speaker 1>listening and watching home alternate theory, his eyes are just

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<v Speaker 1>tired because he has published how many articles over in

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<v Speaker 1>the last few days. There's been a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>crossing my face, as they say in the football business.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it's a lot going on. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. I mean, there will be moves later

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<v Speaker 1>today for sure. That makes us look like idiots in

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<v Speaker 1>the ensuing a couple of hours. Well that's what we're

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<v Speaker 1>here for. Right, We're going to record at the time

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know everything will change by the time

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<v Speaker 1>it comes out. That's part of the fun of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know what you're going to get. But Darren,

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<v Speaker 1>what what is the position group that stood out to

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<v Speaker 1>you when you look at this initial fifty three man roster,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean fifty three guys on the roster, ten of

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<v Speaker 1>them are defensive lineman. And when you look at when

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<v Speaker 1>those guys showed up, I mean, they're all basically new.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Burns is the only pre Matt rule defensive line.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the third season and it is alarming, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's young, and it's fast, and it's talented, especially young.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they kept ten I mean and Phil Hoskins

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<v Speaker 1>seventh round pig, big snack, he was probably the tenth guy.

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<v Speaker 1>As you look at that group, but after you trade

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<v Speaker 1>for Darryl Johnson, you keep Phil Hoskins around. All of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden you look and it's like, WHOA, there's are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of defensive linemen and from where they were

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago when the cupboard was bear

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<v Speaker 1>when you see them pumps so many draft picks into

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<v Speaker 1>the position, put so many resources in the Firman Net

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<v Speaker 1>thing up. I mean, you know, you go out and

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<v Speaker 1>you sign a day Kwan Jones and Morgan Fox this offseason,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's because you need somebody to shephard along all

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<v Speaker 1>of these kids. And I mean those those are two

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<v Speaker 1>good vets to have in that room who've been around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Morgan has played next to some guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Donald. He knows a little about how this game goes.

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<v Speaker 1>And de Kwan John same deal. I mean they Matt

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<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about de Kwan and how being on

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<v Speaker 1>a Tennessee team that went from two and fourteen to

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<v Speaker 1>playoff regulars matters, and so having that around a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of young guys like Davian Nixon, like Brian Roy, like

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Hoskins, et cetera. That's that's valuable knowledge. And one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that Phil Snow has said is people have asked him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who are the starters are? You know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of where how they all gonna line up. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really care. All of these guys are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the field constantly. Like the whole thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no place you're saying. He said, he doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>care about who the start of the techno. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think he cares about where they line up, go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and wherever they want. Yeah, you know, the the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that is out there for the first play versus

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that's out there for the fourth play. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just gonna keep rotating and going full speed. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw that last year specifically with the D line. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I go out there for sideline and you have your

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<v Speaker 1>your designated starters, and then you look at the snap

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<v Speaker 1>counts will which I'm always very grateful that you publish

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<v Speaker 1>every single week. It's it's true. That is how they operate.

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<v Speaker 1>They like to sub They like to rotate guys, especially

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<v Speaker 1>on their line. That is their ideal scenario, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see it more and more with the talent

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<v Speaker 1>that they have added and developed this year. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have those offensive linemen that are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a different guys that they're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare for that are coming at you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you have linebackers that may step up into gaps.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all that kind of stuff. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are fresh. You're gonna have guys, fresh guys

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<v Speaker 1>coming at them all game, and it's the same you

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<v Speaker 1>know garden, same right tackle that's going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with these really young fast players and having guys

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, Markis Haynes and need tour play had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of snaps last year, and breaking on Roy

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<v Speaker 1>did too when you were mentioning him. These guys that

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't necessarily would think it a lot of work,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the system or because of injury. And again

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<v Speaker 1>that second group got a lot of run last year,

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<v Speaker 1>as they you know, and last year they were playing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of young guys out of necessity, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think now it's beginning to become out of choice.

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<v Speaker 1>And and again we'll see what Darryl Johnson. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>if he proves to be help on defense. He's inactive,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a big body. When you see him out on

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<v Speaker 1>the practice field, he looks the part that's what a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive in supposed don't look like out there. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>mainly here because he's got some promises pass rusher. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's a special teams guy, and he'll probably be on

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<v Speaker 1>all four phases of special teams and and be out

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<v Speaker 1>there running around because you need big guys who can

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<v Speaker 1>run in that phase of the game, and that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be his job primarily. But it stood out to me

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<v Speaker 1>that when you keep a fifty three man roster in

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<v Speaker 1>time you've got double digits at any position, it's like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's that's an interesting group for sure going into

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<v Speaker 1>the year. Well, what position group stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 1>So this one is definitely a let's pause and insert

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<v Speaker 1>people later. Javars, Jamar, Javaris and Lamar done. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>um no, I mean the running backs. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, when we published that initial depth chart firm

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<v Speaker 1>from training camp, we had to add spaces to make

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<v Speaker 1>up for all the running backs that were on there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Darius Clark, Spencer Brown, Reggie Bonifon, Rodney Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Cuba and Christian and yeah, and and and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's just Cuba and Christian and now Trenton Cannon

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<v Speaker 1>is there as the special team's guy. That that group, though,

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<v Speaker 1>what was hit hard by injuries during training camp in

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<v Speaker 1>three season, which is absolutely and I think you know

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<v Speaker 1>that that harkens back to what Matt Will keeps saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the best ability is availability, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think you saw that a little bit obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that can change here today with practice squad,

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<v Speaker 1>with with waiver claims with you know, they're they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to ferily leave it like that. But what Darren

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, you know, they obviously want depth, but Christian

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a guy that's going to be you know, splitting,

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<v Speaker 1>carries a ton if when he's out there, he's out there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is Christians. This is Christians team to

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<v Speaker 1>run on offense. From a running back standpoint. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuba Hubbard, I think he proved himself pretty well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone talked about what are they gonna do with Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Davis going to Atlanta. I think Chuba Hubbard is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that I feel comfortable with, you know, on an

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<v Speaker 1>NFL field right now. But yeah, I mean we'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see what they do with that running back group. After

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<v Speaker 1>they sign Sagittarius Jefferson to the practice squad today, Um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're gonna roll into a game and and

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<v Speaker 1>the three who were up on game day, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they add some practice squad guys or adjust the roster.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Christian Cuba, Trenton Cannon, that's who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be active and Trenton is another guy like Daryl Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a special teams guy. Call him a running back

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to, but he's probably not gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of running of the football in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And and while Cuba had a great preseason, Cuba is

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<v Speaker 1>probably not either. I mean, you've got Christian McCaffrey. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was interesting, you know, Joe Brady basically

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<v Speaker 1>said the other week when we were talking to him,

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<v Speaker 1>he basically said, buckle up. We don't want to overuse him,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know he's the guy, and we know he

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be just increasingly involved in this offense because

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<v Speaker 1>he's one of the best players in the league. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to give it to him a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was part of the reason Christian didn't

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<v Speaker 1>step on the field during the preseason. And good, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>save the tread on his tires and get Cuba ready

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<v Speaker 1>in case of emergency or in case you just need

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to spell him after a long drive. But I

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<v Speaker 1>will say Joe Brady also said in our preseason meetings,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to talk to him once a week. He

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<v Speaker 1>also said, you know, we want Christian fresh in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter and so they're kind of hinting that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they do want that backup running back position to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go in. Now, once you actually get in

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<v Speaker 1>the game and Christian is doing Christian McCaffrey things, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's that's always harder. But do you think there's

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<v Speaker 1>any real chance that that that happens? I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how how how could it write? Why? Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>give non Christian McCaffrey people the ball if you had

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to give Christian McCaffrey the ball. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, I think they want to and and there

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<v Speaker 1>will be games now, I will say from watching them

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<v Speaker 1>through the preseason, I think having a more diversified passing

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<v Speaker 1>game might take a little bit of that stress off.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's going to be a lot of quick passes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a lot of put it in

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<v Speaker 1>DJ's hands in space and let him try to make

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<v Speaker 1>him play. Let's get Robbie on these short intermediate routes well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know that Dan Arnold around is going to

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<v Speaker 1>add something to the passing game. And if you get

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<v Speaker 1>anything out of tight ends in the passing game, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one more carry. Christian doesn't have to take well. And

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<v Speaker 1>we know that Barty likes to get creative, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>we see a few plays that are specially designed for too.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I mean, I think it's possible. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the majority, Christian McCaffrey is gonna have the ball in

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<v Speaker 1>his hands as much as possible. I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>heard you got a stat of the week for us

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<v Speaker 1>right the times, every time of the week. So after

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<v Speaker 1>last night's initial fifty three man rosters were published, Philly

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<v Speaker 1>Voice um they published their annual Youngest and Oldest roster rankings.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Panthers came in tied for fourth with the

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Browns age point three. Now, obviously it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a little bit higher. J J. Jansen, the old

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<v Speaker 1>man is bringing that number up a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>still thanks JJ. But in the case of this, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it came out of the draft, I think with

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<v Speaker 1>one of the youngest rosters. Obviously it's still very young.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that they're they're growing. You know, these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are young, and they're they're looking to the future. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>four years ago the Panthers were the second oldest um

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<v Speaker 1>going into So it's it's obviously changed a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the roster makeup. But I think that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of we knew that, but here's some statistical proof of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tin rookies and from the last two draft classes, fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>of the eighteen picks are still on the three man

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<v Speaker 1>roster at the moment. Well, and I think that with

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald coming here, there was that initial wave in

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<v Speaker 1>the media where everyone gets reminded how young he is.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was younger than some of the draft picks

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<v Speaker 1>coming out this year and just turned twenty four recently.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking we were talking about Brian Burns

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three years old. That still strikes me as incongruous

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, right, because, I mean we know this

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<v Speaker 1>is his third season, but he just it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's a presence, right, and he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 1>vet on this young de line. We were just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, still a baby. I mean, shoot, the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest guy in the room on defense has been Jeremy Chin.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been fifty years old since he was tenning. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what is he like? I mean, he's not old either.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of those guys got old souls. As we say, yeah, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so old. We're nuts for another day, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Darren again, we'll just insert the robotic voice and and

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<v Speaker 1>the blanks. But as of right now, Wednesday ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>where do you think that they are going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to look based on where this roster is right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have to find somebody with a little

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<v Speaker 1>more experience inside linebacker. I mean they had Denzel Peraman

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<v Speaker 1>here traded in Las Vegas, had Josh Binds here in

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<v Speaker 1>Camp cut him. I think it's clear they want somebody

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<v Speaker 1>uh to be able to spell Jermaine and Chack a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Um Matt talked a lot this offseason about

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<v Speaker 1>Jack played a whole bunch of snaps last year. We'd

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<v Speaker 1>like him to play fewer snaps this year so that

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<v Speaker 1>in December he's a little fresher and a little more available.

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<v Speaker 1>And they don't have that guy on the roster right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean their backups at inside linebacker Julian Stanford, another

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<v Speaker 1>special teams guy in Clay Johnson. So it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of experience, not a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 1>you can point to and say, if we needed a

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<v Speaker 1>spot start out of him. What they don't have is

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<v Speaker 1>that guy like Jermaine Carter was the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years that you could plug in and and have a

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<v Speaker 1>baseline expectation of what he was going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Now Jermaine has grown into something else. He

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we made a lot out of Denzel Perraman,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, Jermaine kind of made that job his

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<v Speaker 1>own and never let it go. So he's solid, shack solid.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just not a lot behind them. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate as they go through this thing. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>they claim linebacker have one shower handle off waivers, it

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<v Speaker 1>won't be a surprise to me. Great prediction there, really

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<v Speaker 1>really solid. It's almost like you saw into the future.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see what producer Matt's going to

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<v Speaker 1>do with all these blank spaces. Just like SpongeBob, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible opportunity for him. Robotic voice, Yes, Siri, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the linebacker the Panthers just claimed off Wavers. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back now to what feels like a million years

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<v Speaker 1>ago for us, but we haven't talked about it was

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<v Speaker 1>that third preseason game where we saw the starters play

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<v Speaker 1>for a full half and and he get told us

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about this team. I mean, let's just what

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<v Speaker 1>were your initial takeaways the game ended, or the first

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<v Speaker 1>half ended. How did you feel about Let's let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with the defense. How did you both feel about how

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<v Speaker 1>the defense looked. They keep taking the ball away from people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's you know, that's the thing through the preseason,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was the backups in the first couple of games,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, Brian Burns in this last one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the second one. Yeah, they're going to get the

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<v Speaker 1>ball away from other people. That's it. That's something that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty obvious about them. I mean, and again, they're fast,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're on and they've got a lot of dudes, so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be important. And I think they've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>laid this whole thing in knowing that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be fast and physical on defense, because until they got

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<v Speaker 1>Sam and kind of had an idea what they were

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have in Sam, that was the thing you're sort

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<v Speaker 1>of counting on. That's the side of the ball. If

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<v Speaker 1>they make great improvements this year, it's gonna be because

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<v Speaker 1>that defense is pretty good, and based on what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in a preseason, I think there's reason to think

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<v Speaker 1>that could be the case. I mean, they finished i

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<v Speaker 1>think in the league rankings, what fifteen in the league

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<v Speaker 1>in total defense, which is always kind of a weird

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<v Speaker 1>way to measure defenses. But yeah, they were kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the pack. I mean, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to say they're gonna be a top five

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<v Speaker 1>defense or anything like that this year, but they're clearly

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<v Speaker 1>better than they were a year ago. And for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, obviously Pittsburgh had maybe not their

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<v Speaker 1>full complement of starters, but they started over four on

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<v Speaker 1>third down. Yeah, it was Dante with the first two

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<v Speaker 1>was was really the I mean, those were open tackles,

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<v Speaker 1>those were powering up to the ball in space. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>those were not letting guys get to the sticks. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you could tell. And just the energy they had

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<v Speaker 1>after making those plays. They knew they have to get

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<v Speaker 1>off the field on third down. That was the big

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<v Speaker 1>thing that that stood out to me as well. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and you could feel it with the crowd there. You

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<v Speaker 1>could feel how excited they were to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get off the field, take the ball away, have those

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<v Speaker 1>third down stops, because those were points of emphasis last

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<v Speaker 1>year and through the first two preseason games with the

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<v Speaker 1>backups out on the field, the maybe not the takeaways,

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<v Speaker 1>but the third down numbers were certainly not great. And

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<v Speaker 1>so to come out and see the starters really start

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<v Speaker 1>off that way from as you said, that first Steelers

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<v Speaker 1>third down opportunity that I thought that was a great sign.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's also a psychological thing too. They

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<v Speaker 1>see it right, and then they go okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're feeling good and um yeah, kind of reset

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative on that third down and we'll see, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how that goes. Starting in gosh, how many days now,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen days, twelve days, something like that against the Jets. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it goes back to a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you add pass rushers to hurry things up

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<v Speaker 1>up front, and you added so much talent to the secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean drafting j C. Horne. I mean I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this morning on the website about Dante Jackson being the

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<v Speaker 1>only corner on the roster at this moment who's ever

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<v Speaker 1>started an NFL game, But it doesn't feel like as

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<v Speaker 1>much of a panic because the other one is j C. Horn. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, you don't I don't even consider him

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie sometimes anymore. I mean, he just doesn't strike me.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at Stanley Thomas Oliver and Keith Taylor and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh my god, it's so young, But you

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<v Speaker 1>don't consider j C. A is a part of that

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, they're young, because he is not a

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<v Speaker 1>young player. No, he's He's been ready for this opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for forever, you know, it feels like, and in large

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<v Speaker 1>part thanks to his dad and and the wisdom that

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<v Speaker 1>his dad has imparted, and thanks in large part also

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<v Speaker 1>to to who he is. But he definitely falls into

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<v Speaker 1>that category and I hate to even name other players

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<v Speaker 1>because there are plenty of them, but he falls into

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<v Speaker 1>that Brian Burns, Jeremy Chin older than their years, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like, both in terms of just the way he

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<v Speaker 1>carries him elf and then also experience like you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>he has not started in an NFL game yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't you consider him so far ahead of what

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a normal rookie measures at um, what about on offense?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about that first half with the starters are

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<v Speaker 1>first real look and the fans first real look at

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald and what he is going to be for

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<v Speaker 1>the Panthers. Kind of slow starting, but those last two drives, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean and and that's been the thing that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me about Sam and probably the thing I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize about him. I didn't take the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy as many Jets games is perhaps I should have

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<v Speaker 1>the last three years, but I didn't realize Sam was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be as good as he is in two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes situations throughout training camp, when you know there would

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<v Speaker 1>be times when things would get a little loose, but

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<v Speaker 1>when they got into that rhythm stuff, when it was timing,

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<v Speaker 1>when it was let's be sharp, point it matters. Sam

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<v Speaker 1>always looked good, whether it was just solo practices down

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<v Speaker 1>in Spartanburger, in those joint practices, I mean against the Ravens,

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<v Speaker 1>and again, Marlon Humphrey wasn't practicing back then, but they

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<v Speaker 1>still had Marcus Peters in a really good defense, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sam looked efficient. Sam looked clean in those two minute drives,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for him to come out and have that

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<v Speaker 1>long drive to in the first half, it's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you got something to work with here. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>still some reason to wonder how it's going to hold

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<v Speaker 1>up over a whole year. But if you offer people

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen of twenty two yards a couple of touchdowns, if

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<v Speaker 1>he does that in every half of every game this year, heck,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam's gonna go to the Pro Bowl. Well, okay, he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to do that in every half of

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<v Speaker 1>every game this year. I just want but it does.

0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 1>It does beg the question about pace. You know, I

0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.920
<v Speaker 1>think people ask Brady about pace a little bit, and

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 1>he said, you know, there's a lot of ways to

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.679
<v Speaker 1>define define that, you know, like it's coming up to

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the line, it's it's getting the play, and it's all

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:48.159
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. But you know, like when you

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>do play a little bit quicker, if if that allows

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a quarterback to you know, at different times, be able

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to get into a rhythm, keeps the defense from substituting,

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:57.920
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of different things you might see

0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that outside of a two minute situation. Yeah, well, as

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.280
<v Speaker 1>as um, both coach Rule and Brady told me last year,

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.639
<v Speaker 1>you cannot play fast enough for either of them, that

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>is what they want. They you cannot, this team cannot

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 1>go fast enough. And and maybe that's you know, in

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 1>part of their college backgrounds, but that is what they want.

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:15.760
<v Speaker 1>They want pace on all levels, whether it is just

0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>getting up to the line, everything could be faster, UM.

0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.239
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm sure that they were very pleased to

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.160
<v Speaker 1>see um the pace at which Sam Donald was leading

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.320
<v Speaker 1>that offense. And I talked to both Rule and Donald

0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.399
<v Speaker 1>after that game and they both said the same thing,

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>like we're not happy with the slow start, but really

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.520
<v Speaker 1>liked the way they ended. And and I mean, that's

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.440
<v Speaker 1>what you want right out of a quarterback that we're

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 1>all wondering, um, or the fans are wondering how it

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.359
<v Speaker 1>was gonna go coming in from the Jets. You want

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.320
<v Speaker 1>if you're a fan to know that your quarterback can

0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.280
<v Speaker 1>lead two minute drive. That's like that. That's where you said,

0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.240
<v Speaker 1>it's got to give you a lot of confidence, right,

0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think that we're seeing that it's possible. Yeah,

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.199
<v Speaker 1>And it's not to throw rocks at anybody who was

0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 1>here last year, but it it does feel different and once,

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 1>even though we didn't see this in a preseason game,

0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.040
<v Speaker 1>having Christian out there is going to make a huge

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 1>difference everything because you know, if a play breaks down,

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you can dump it off the number twenty two and

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.639
<v Speaker 1>you have a pretty good idea that he's going to

0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.879
<v Speaker 1>be able to do something positive with it. And he

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>knows what to do. He knows when to get down,

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>he knows when to get out of bounds. So there's

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.160
<v Speaker 1>reason to be cautiously optimistic about this offense right now.

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously there's some stuff you worry about, because

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>there's always stuff to worry about. Nobody, you know, nobody

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 1>envisioned at this point in a reclamation project that they

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>would be a finished product, and they're not. But Sam

0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>has kind of receded from the list of worries. I

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 1>guess you could say going into the season because I

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>think he's looked a lot more competent than a lot

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of people maybe had reason to think he was going

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to with the new way that the preseason, the structure

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>just three preseason games. But then keeping in mind that

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they did these four joint practices, a hundred reps roughly

0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>for every starter. Do you feel both of you feel

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 1>with with all of these new pieces. You know, I'm

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>specifically thinking of Sam, but with everyone with this young

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>team that they're ready for the regular season. I think

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 1>there's ready as they're gonna be. I mean, well, yes,

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing we can do now. I mean, they're going

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>to practice. But I do believe that those pre are

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>those joint practice reps are better than preseason games. As

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>we know. Yeah, you want to abolish the preseason altogether,

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>we got we heard that last week. I just think

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 1>it's better work because coaches can really zoom in on Okay,

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to work on third down. I want to

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>work on two minutes, and you can get focused work

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>on that as opposed to okay, it's second and seven

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>against Pittsburgh slappys. You know, how do you tell anything

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>from that? So I think having that extra set of

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 1>joint practice helps having some of that kind of work

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>against other high level people, you know, gives them an opportunity. Again,

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.679
<v Speaker 1>are there issues on offense? There are, But I feel

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>probably better about Sam right now than I expected to

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 1>going into the season. I thought it was a a

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>great way to end the preseason, especially at a home

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 1>game with with fans back. Um. I thought the I

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>thought the team looked good. That rule one is first

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 1>ever preseason game. It's true, and he didn't have any

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>last year. But yeah, congratulations that Will has recorded that

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>in the official preseason and training camp stats. Oh I

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I Yeah, There's there's a whole other story about preseason

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 1>stats that I'll get to at some other time in

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a bonus section on Twitter. So directors cut, director's cut. Yeah,

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.120
<v Speaker 1>keeping high out for that because this podcast is so

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 1>good that it needs bonus director's cuts. All right, So,

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 1>speaking of Twitter, which is where you'll find that bonus content,

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 1>apparently on on Will's Twitter. Um, well, you were scanning

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the Twitter machine earlier and you wanted to bring this

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>subject up for our question of the week. I'm not

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>going to call it a weird question that it's a

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.199
<v Speaker 1>valid question, but it's a question. Nonetheless, this one is

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.199
<v Speaker 1>courtesy of Mac at w F and Z, which is

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>something they clearly talked about on on their show. He

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>put out his top five college football fan basis is

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 1>in the Carolinas and Will send it to us and

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 1>he was like, we got to talk about this. So

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>here is is his ranking order of the top five

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 1>college football fan bases in the area. One South Carolina

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>to Clemson. Already seeing some issues here, three NC State,

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 1>four APP State, and five e c U. So Will

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you're the one that said we got to talk about it.

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Where are you zeroing in on on that list? Well, first,

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.400
<v Speaker 1>we gotta we gotta plug a little bit there. There's

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of mayo to be dumped on this field

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>on our new grass or new artificial during Two of

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the teams on this list are playing the tea. Yeah

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that's right. Well I was talking about tomorrow. Oh yeah,

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>so tomorrow and and Saturday, Um, you know Clemson, Georgia

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and APP State E s u uh. Darren is very

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>pumped for the Clemson Georgia game. He knows all about

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that one. Um, but no, I I think I think

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that you can really tell the strength of a fan

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.479
<v Speaker 1>base by how strong they are when their team is losing,

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and South Carolina does a lot of losing. Yes, they

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>lose all the time. So I'm perfectly fine with them

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>being at the top of this list considering how good

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>they are for being perennial losers. That's another way. That's

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>another word we could use to describe the South Carolina

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 1>football fan base. Um see, I rolled by, here's where

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I go, and I just want to because I feel

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>like Darn's gonna have some thoughts about I just want

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to go back to this the way I judge, and

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it's now granted Clemson in South Carolina are in very

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>different places, But the way I judge is like, how

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>much of your identity is caught up in you being

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a fan of this team? And I think Clemson especially

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>and and of course they have very good reason too.

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Over the last decade, Like when you travel places you

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>see the Clemson how you you have met people that

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>their weekends are are absolutely this is where they will

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>be tailgating in this spot and they've done it for

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty years, and it feels very much like an identity.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>People lived down there specifically for that reason and have

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>followed every single sport. I hear a lot of that

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>from from Clemson fans, where it's it's very much an identity,

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>whereas I get it was South Carolina. But for the record,

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I think Clemson's first. That was me just making a

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>joke because because I hate South Carolina. Oh yeah, Clemson's

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 1>There was no punchline either, that was I thought it was.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was obvious. No, Clemson's first. I disagree

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 1>there is. There is a level of commitment if you're

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a Clemson fan, though, if you're willing to go out

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 1>dressed in that shade of that color and run the

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>rail people thinking you're a traffic calling all day long,

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>then I I think it does speak to you as

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a fan base that you're willing to put yourself out

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>there in that way. But no, I mean, I will

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>say that Appalachian State has gone on the road and

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 1>played some big programs. Been to Georgia, been to um

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>been to Clemson, went to where was that other place?

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.719
<v Speaker 1>It was, oh seven, somewhere up north. Yeah, somewhere north.

0:28:55.760 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that. Yeah, that's right, that was today,

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>fourteen years ago. It was man. But the Clemson people

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>treated us so well when we were down there. They

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>were like, you know, some people get kind of snotty,

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and I think after Michigan a lot of people would

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>look down their nose, or before Michigan people would be

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>like Applegian State. But we walked in they were like, hey,

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>you guys, well and you and we just beast five

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>For anyone who doesn't know, when you say us, you're

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 1>referring to the Apple actions and not panthers US extremely

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>partisan Appalachian State fan today, I give my all for

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Applechian State. I'll touch the sign on my way out

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the door. Um. I think it's gonna be great. I

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>love going to college games. Uh, particularly in Boone. This

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be neat coming here tomorrow. I mean, I'm

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be right out there for the Theater of the Mind.

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Folks out there listening to this podcast and waiting to line.

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why we would be right out there.

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 1>We got good seats, but we're excited about it, and

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>we've been making plants for this. When me and all

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>my college buddies over roommates and folks, we're gonna go.

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go tailgate and we're gonna have some fun

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna go watch a little football and Hopefully

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a good Hopefully it's a good product on the field.

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>A lot of questions to be answered. I hope Chase

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Brice does well as new quarterback. It's been a long

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>time since we've had to worry about that, but it

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>is there is something about the Appalachian State fan base

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and that appeals to my psyche. I guess you could say,

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>because at the time I went to a Issue, it

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>never felt like it was anybody's first choice, at least athletically.

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Anybody who played football at a Issue was either to

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>this or to that, too slow or too smaller. And

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>we made a living off these little, skinny guys who

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>could run fast, and that kind of created this whole

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>island of the misfit toys persona about our football team.

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>And now that we're actually good at football and playing

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>at a higher level and recruiting a different level of kids,

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>still got a little bit of that, and I think

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the fan base reflects that of a little bit, because

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>we do sort of walk in with our shoulders back

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, all right, let's go. You know, Biggin's

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>line up little and spun choke. Um. You know, that's

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>just sort of the way We've always approached it and

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy being a part of it. Plus, I'm gonna

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>make my daughter, who's a sophomore up there. I'm gonna

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>make her wear black and yellow striped overalls. That's awesome.

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>You may not know that yet. That's a requirement Dad

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>put in according to these, do you think the tar

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Heels belong on this list? I went to school there.

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I think this is a in terms of fan bases,

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, as they call the wine and cheese crowd

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>at at Keenan Stadium. I mean, I think I love

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>U n C. I think the Turtles have an amazing

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>fan base, But in terms of um rabid football fans,

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that, Yeah, I think that's a fair knock

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>that they're not on this top five and they're rapidly

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>moving up the list. I think they've got to claim

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>at being the second best football program in the state

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of North Carolina. But fan base wise, wow, it was

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>fan base. They're still in others receiving them. We're working

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>on it. We're gonna we're going for most state fans

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna have that same south a a fan on the shoulder.

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Then do you want to weigh in the only thing

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I will say is I think the attitude of Clemson fans,

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>having grown up around Clemson fans, being from the Upstate

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and going to Clemson from our first year and a

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>half of college, I find them insufferable. And I'm not

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>a Carolina fans, so it's not like I have a

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>dog in the race. Specify you're an LSU fan. I

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>think that did, yeah, but there's a little more context.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no rivalry though between LSU and Clemson. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing is they act like they've been relevant beyond nine

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I think that's frustrating. They walk around

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<v Speaker 1>like their Alabama, and they talk about their school like

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<v Speaker 1>their Alabama, and they have all this long history of

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<v Speaker 1>success and championships. They were irrelevant before eleven ten? Really well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had the one year, but they got in trouble

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<v Speaker 1>for cheating. Anyway, Clemson in the nineties, Clemson in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties did feel kind of like, you know, lost, cause

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<v Speaker 1>Clemson wasn't that years ago. And yeah, the verb clemsoning

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<v Speaker 1>was a thing at the time there. I think it's possible,

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<v Speaker 1>just based on the vitriol that Matt just came out

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<v Speaker 1>with us, Like we could see a video of him

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<v Speaker 1>in an L. S U jersey one one day arguing

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<v Speaker 1>with a Clemson fan and people be like, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, and he's like that there are He's just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're both the Tigers that play in Death Valley.

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<v Speaker 1>You know there's there's some parallels with Hell. You should

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<v Speaker 1>come Saturday and do that. Just jump in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of all the Georgia and Clemson people and say where

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<v Speaker 1>both of you line up, Where your Joe Burrow, where

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<v Speaker 1>your Joe Burrow jersey, and just get right in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the Clemson just create a problem that all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna leave it there. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Happy Half Hour podcast. We will be

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<v Speaker 1>back with you next week.