Speaker 1: This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you the wildest
Speaker 1: true escape stories. Now today we're going to go back
Speaker 1: to the Great Depression and to the golden age of
Speaker 1: the Bancheist to tell you a story of a man
Speaker 1: who may be America's most celebrated outlaw. I'm Martro Castro,
Speaker 1: and I'm joined by a fantastic actress, a super kind
Speaker 1: soul always makes me want to get up and dance.
Speaker 1: Sunita MANI.
Speaker 2: Wha.
Speaker 1: That was a bench of special and everybody, we got
Speaker 1: a real treat for you today. I'm I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of her and I've known her for for a
Speaker 1: long long time, I guess by this point, so welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Sunita MANI give me ben? Where is
Speaker 1: my prop pa pal?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Thank you? But but I love you. Okay, I guess
Speaker 1: you just said you ready? I the sound effects, so
Speaker 1: on that note, What do you consider to be your
Speaker 1: greatest escape?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about the time that I
Speaker 2: feel like I escaped the jaws of death.
Speaker 1: Well, dramatic music will put it on and post It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so cool.
Speaker 3: It's the first thing that came to mind. I was
Speaker 3: on my honeymoon with my now husband in Italy.
Speaker 2: We were in Sicily, So this is like twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: well before White Lotus.
Speaker 1: Okay, twenty eighteen. You were there first.
Speaker 2: We had this like wonderful time, this like lovely week.
Speaker 2: The whole week we had been doing like really remote stuff,
Speaker 2: but this was like a populated place. Anyway, We're swimming
Speaker 2: in the ocean, it's lovely. All of a sudden, we're
Speaker 2: getting a little far away from the shore and it's
Speaker 2: like kind of noticing no one. No one else is
Speaker 2: like really in the water, Maybe we should go back.
Speaker 2: Let's just like yeah, I don't know, it feels a
Speaker 2: little far. So we're trying to go back. We cannot
Speaker 2: get back to the shore.
Speaker 1: And you feel like you're not making progress.
Speaker 3: We're not making progress at all. It's a riptide. I
Speaker 3: guess I'd just never been caught in like a riptide before.
Speaker 1: Could you feel the current?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I wasn't like feeling like a swirling vortex
Speaker 2: or anything.
Speaker 3: We just like couldn't swim out of it.
Speaker 2: And now I know this to anyone who is ever
Speaker 2: gotten a riptide. You don't swim like directly towards the shore.
Speaker 2: You swim parallel to the shore now to get out,
Speaker 2: and it was one of those guttural things of like
Speaker 2: screaming for help, Oh my god, just like I don't know,
Speaker 2: we don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: And it was like far enough away that the shore
Speaker 3: was to not even know if anyone could hear.
Speaker 1: Us, could you see people on the shore.
Speaker 3: Eventually we see these like six men.
Speaker 2: In speedos run race into the ocean like to come
Speaker 2: after us. They're like yelling Italian at us.
Speaker 1: You're like, I know, they're calling us.
Speaker 3: Idiots, Like what were you thinking? And we're like, I
Speaker 3: don't know. Do we miss a sign? I don't know.
Speaker 2: So we're kind of like linked arms with these strangers
Speaker 2: who are nice enough to like try and help us.
Speaker 3: And then all six of us can't get back to
Speaker 3: the shore.
Speaker 2: No, well eight of us, me and my husband and
Speaker 2: these like six men and speedo's.
Speaker 1: It was just six of us because the two of
Speaker 1: them died.
Speaker 2: At all.
Speaker 1: Wow, So now you're all funcked.
Speaker 3: Now we're all screaming, we're all fucked. And that's when
Speaker 3: they really start yelling at.
Speaker 1: Us, like it's like fucking die, I want to die.
Speaker 2: By this point, the everyone on the beach is just
Speaker 2: like standing up and watching and like looking.
Speaker 3: Out and being like, uh, what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Finally, a lifeguard like comes to throw one of those
Speaker 2: like life rings, you know, and he's going to try
Speaker 2: to pull us in, and we're just like again, the shore,
Speaker 2: the waves are really turbulent. So by the time it
Speaker 2: like the donut gets to us and we're trying to
Speaker 2: meet the donut halfway, it's like it's struggling.
Speaker 1: Exhausted by this one, We're so exhausted.
Speaker 2: We finally reached the damn donut and it's connected to
Speaker 2: a rope so that they could like pull us in
Speaker 2: from the shore.
Speaker 3: They let go of the rope.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck would they let go of the fucking rope? Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, but I think we were
Speaker 2: just too far out and they were like, well, at
Speaker 2: least they have the donut.
Speaker 1: It's like one donut for fucking h my man, they
Speaker 1: have the dona now they figured it. We're all job
Speaker 1: and they all continued on with their day and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: that'd be fine.
Speaker 2: Wow, And then eventually they like because it's a marina,
Speaker 2: someone like someone in their like a little motor boat
Speaker 2: come from behind us, like they don't come from the shore.
Speaker 2: They actually like kind of come from behind because I
Speaker 2: think the waves are just too strong.
Speaker 1: The visuals of this are amazing. You have to write this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So eventually we like do get on the boats,
Speaker 2: and that's when I started like really panicking. Actually, it's
Speaker 2: like when I totally broke down, like when we were okay.
Speaker 2: I was like hyperventilating, like really fat and scared and like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, they were so nice.
Speaker 3: We finally got back to the shore. It was such relief.
Speaker 2: But also I was like, Okay, I guess we're like
Speaker 2: drinking wine now, you know, another cafe or something.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful.
Speaker 2: It's like that feeling of like life is so beautiful
Speaker 2: and fine and lovely and I'm so grateful to be here,
Speaker 2: and also like wow, the fuck yeah, am paralyzed by
Speaker 2: like fear.
Speaker 1: Oh much. Well, listen, thank you so much for sharing that.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we you are okay, And to the
Speaker 1: Banana Ham gentleman of sicily said that, all right, well,
Speaker 1: are you ready to hear of another escape?
Speaker 3: I'm so ready.
Speaker 1: Yes. For today's story, We're headed to the American heartland.
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and also incidentally, the romance capital of the world. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's not nobody. Nobody there has ever so not the
Speaker 1: romance capital of the world Indianapolis. But the year that
Speaker 1: we're talking about is you're nineteen o three, and that's
Speaker 1: when a boy named Johnny is born into a family
Speaker 1: that owned a grocery store. That's it. I know it
Speaker 1: sounds like random detail, but it's gonna come up again. Okay,
Speaker 1: So grocery based crime, it's gonna be on the way. Okay.
Speaker 1: So as he grew up, Johnny was constantly getting into
Speaker 1: trouble and his dad, like many dads at the time,
Speaker 1: try to punish the rebellion out of Johnny. Now spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: it did not work. So Johnny got up to some mischief.
Speaker 1: He formed a neighborhood gang of kids who called themselves
Speaker 1: the Dirty Dozen. Did you have a did you have
Speaker 1: a tight group of friends when you grow up?
Speaker 2: I wasn't like a little neighborhood gang, and none of
Speaker 2: us went to school together. It was it felt very
Speaker 2: much of the like the three blocks you know I lived,
Speaker 2: and like we shared.
Speaker 1: I shared a.
Speaker 2: Backyard with one of them, and yeah, we had our
Speaker 2: little bikes and we would like run around in the
Speaker 2: woods and.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. So you didn't come in any crimes
Speaker 1: with your neighborhood friends. Nothing for I did. I'm sure
Speaker 1: something were legal in Oh yeah. The worst thing we
Speaker 1: did was we stole a stop sign.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we wanted to holes like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were like we vandalyized some shit, for sure.
Speaker 1: So sorry, I want them all on's if you ever
Speaker 1: come get me. There's no extradition laws. So the crimes
Speaker 1: of Johnny committed with this Dirty Dozen gang were little
Speaker 1: things like the day they stole some liquor off a
Speaker 1: train and Johnny showed up at school drunk. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, Johnny will hang out. And then there's a
Speaker 1: time they make some coal from railroad cars to sell
Speaker 1: to their neighbors.
Speaker 3: All these are such old timy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, so, yeah, we have an ice box here.
Speaker 3: See yeah, distributing coal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of industrious, isn't it. So most neighbors
Speaker 1: actually describe Johnny as a cheerful, likable youngster, and they
Speaker 1: said that he dressed well and they thought he was
Speaker 1: only as mischievous as every other boy.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, they gave him some slack, got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they caught him some slacks. He dressed as well.
Speaker 1: He goes his cold fuck it. So that's all it
Speaker 1: took back then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, simpler times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the romance capital of the world. It
Speaker 1: could be word just like chilling. So in nineteen twenty,
Speaker 1: John's dad moved the family out of the city to
Speaker 1: a small and he was trying to keep John out
Speaker 1: of trouble. But no doubt, like John got extremely bored
Speaker 1: and he was always driving back into Indianapolis looking for.
Speaker 3: Somebody to do It's Johnny's way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny, or get out of the way, you know.
Speaker 1: He wanted to see more of the world. Was there
Speaker 1: ever any time growing up where you had a real
Speaker 1: sense of wonder lust? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think there was always like a small town girl
Speaker 2: wide eyed for the city, like syndrome that I had.
Speaker 1: You you always had New York at your sights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was like watching Annie
Speaker 2: or something. You know, it was just having that I
Speaker 2: don't know, just like wanting to be Annie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were Annie. It was also mat of fact.
Speaker 1: So once when John was driving to the city to
Speaker 1: visit his girlfriend also happened to be his uncle stepdaughter. Weird.
Speaker 3: Okay, got it, that's like clueless, right.
Speaker 1: Huh, it's kind of clueless.
Speaker 3: I don't know where like Alicia Silverstone's character.
Speaker 1: That's what it is, Paul's character. I take it all back.
Speaker 1: It's not weird, it's CLUELESSI victorian.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also it's his uncle step daughter, so it's even
Speaker 1: twice removed. Fair game, buddy. So the thing was, John
Speaker 1: was driving a car that he had stolen for the trip,
Speaker 1: so he ran through the Yep, he ran from this
Speaker 1: traffic stop, and the cops actually fired a couple of
Speaker 1: shots at him as he scampered away, and the whole
Speaker 1: situation was generally a messive. So John decided that his
Speaker 1: best way out was to skip town completely. So he
Speaker 1: did the logical thing what you do at a time,
Speaker 1: and he joined the navy.
Speaker 3: Hop on a train.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is like playing out like a Charlie Chaplin
Speaker 2: film or something exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So he started. He learned how to tap dance and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh peep you and just like a little kyri and
Speaker 1: that says peep you. So John served on this ship
Speaker 1: for only a few months. He thought that his dad
Speaker 1: was harsh, but now that he was a fireman in
Speaker 1: the navy, meaning that he shoveled coal into the end
Speaker 1: in furnaces. Oh, the coal, the coal, the coal. It
Speaker 1: fucking sucked. So John naturally when a wall and the
Speaker 1: Navy placed a bounty on his head fifty dollars for
Speaker 1: the runaway fireman.
Speaker 3: Okay, fifty dollars must have been a lot.
Speaker 1: Seven hundred thousand dollars at the time. It was actually
Speaker 1: the first you could buy a country with fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: It was the first time the authorities offered money first capture,
Speaker 1: but it was far far from being the last. And
Speaker 1: apparently the Navy wasn't looking too hard for him. There's
Speaker 1: just kind of like if it's no trouble, if you
Speaker 1: find him on the way.
Speaker 2: It was like how I dog sat one time in
Speaker 2: la and the owner was like kind of joking about
Speaker 2: like if the dog, like you know, runs away, it's
Speaker 2: like it's all right.
Speaker 1: There's like an insurance saying, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: No, we don't like the dog very much. Actually, I mean,
Speaker 2: my kids really liked the dog. But if something happens
Speaker 2: to the dog, you know, Honestly, I.
Speaker 1: Asked questions, I really like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: It wasn't sure if he was like trying to tell
Speaker 3: me to like, like.
Speaker 1: What am I involved with a psychopath? So listen. So
Speaker 1: since the Navy wasn't really looking to heart like, John
Speaker 1: actually showed up back home and he was able to
Speaker 1: pass it off to his family that he had been
Speaker 1: honorably discharge. He spent a couple of months playing pool
Speaker 1: and baseball and sweet talking a teenage girl. John was
Speaker 1: twenty and he married a sixteen year old who moved
Speaker 1: in with his family, which gross. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: firmly on the side of no miners marrying.
Speaker 2: I can't tell if this is just like is this
Speaker 2: regular confidence that people had.
Speaker 3: Back then, Like there are there a lot of Johnnies
Speaker 3: like this. I don't know. I feel like you could
Speaker 3: get away with all this shit.
Speaker 1: That's what lost the Industrial Revolution children, you know. So
Speaker 1: things took a darker turn in the fall when John
Speaker 1: and a friend robbed a grocery store. Yeah, the grocer
Speaker 1: locked up the store at the end of the week
Speaker 1: and was walking home with the money from his cash
Speaker 1: register when John jumped in. He attacked a man with
Speaker 1: an iron bar that's fucked up and John was arrested
Speaker 1: for the attack. His dad was so pissed. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: actually advised John to plead guilty and take his punishment
Speaker 1: for the crime because he thought that this was John's
Speaker 1: first arrest that he might get off easy. Well, no, no, no, John,
Speaker 1: Johnny young Johnny was giving the maximum penalty of ten
Speaker 1: years in prison, even though he had no previous criminal record.
Speaker 3: Well, it's making up for all the bad shit he did.
Speaker 1: So for ten years John stewed in prison rubbing his
Speaker 1: shoulders with other social outcasts. And it is to turn
Speaker 1: out a key kind of fit in.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: So like him, they weren't suited for the discipline of
Speaker 1: navy ships or backbreaking farm work or semi professional plates.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck they were doing the time.
Speaker 1: They were burglars, bootleggers and train robbers, and John Dillinger
Speaker 1: was taking lessons boat. What you know the story of
Speaker 1: John Willinger?
Speaker 3: I have heard of him, but I'm like forgetting history.
Speaker 1: I got you you, thank you. One defining trait of
Speaker 1: John Dillingder was his love for looking good. Think Paul Rudd,
Speaker 1: He's just like ageless forever. When he made it on
Speaker 1: a parole in May nineteen thirty three. He was ready
Speaker 1: to go out there and get himself a straw boater,
Speaker 1: had a fresh haircut and a silk cravat or two.
Speaker 1: What's a cravat? Like a cravat like a little little tie?
Speaker 3: Cravat is like a neck handkerchief?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? That is correct? Nice little necktie? Oh?
Speaker 1: I want one?
Speaker 3: It sounds delicious.
Speaker 1: That's one historian was very careful to note. John came
Speaker 1: out of prison smarter, trimmer, and more muscular, which made
Speaker 1: him I quote yeah, and I quote attracted to women
Speaker 1: and respected by men.
Speaker 3: In history. That is history.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious commercial, right, but like for prison, yeah, prison exactly.
Speaker 1: Give me a light at music. All right, we haven't
Speaker 1: rehearsed this. Here we go. Hi, Are you a loner
Speaker 1: who hates the navy? You get compared to the shrimp
Speaker 1: you sell at your dad's grocery store, Then you need
Speaker 1: the one and only only in closest state guarantee make
Speaker 1: you smarter, driver, more muscular, president, become instructed for women
Speaker 1: and respected by men. This miss is brought to you
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Speaker 1: our first try of that. That's great. But John stepped
Speaker 1: out of prison into hard times, right. The banks had
Speaker 1: crashed in nineteen twenty nine, and it was a great depression.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were in a lot of jobs for
Speaker 1: an ex con stepping out of prison, no matter how
Speaker 1: fucking sexy he looked at pr Yeah, fucking sucksy, bro, bro,
Speaker 1: you're looking good. So this is no problem for John though,
Speaker 1: you know, because he didn't even try. First he went
Speaker 1: home and he told his family that he had learned
Speaker 1: his lesson. He was a new man.
Speaker 3: He is a liar.
Speaker 1: He's a fucking liar. Second, big a second. Second thing
Speaker 1: he did, Sinnia. Second thing he did. He met up
Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys who knew his prison buddies,
Speaker 1: and they struck up a plan.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: Uh, this was the beginning of what one historian calls
Speaker 1: John Dillinger's wild Ride, one of the most buck wild
Speaker 1: crime spreees in American history. The lord, yeah, no, it
Speaker 1: was wild. So they kicked things off with a couple
Speaker 1: of starter robberies, just ICs to get their feet with
Speaker 1: some teasers. That's right, appetizers if you will, cravats cravat
Speaker 1: for the hunger, so they hit up two grocery stores.
Speaker 1: That was just a prime the pump a little bit right.
Speaker 1: Then it was onto the real targets. In June nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty three, John rolled into the new Carlisle, Ohio, a
Speaker 1: second romance capital of the world, and together with his
Speaker 1: new gang, he was headed for the National Bank. Word
Speaker 1: on the street was that they always left the rear
Speaker 1: window open in the bathroom, even the night, which to
Speaker 1: me sounds like an inside job. How would you know
Speaker 1: unless they were putting it like that was like their
Speaker 1: shady slogan, like come to our bank. The windows are
Speaker 1: open anytime. Our door is always open, and if it's not,
Speaker 1: our window is in the back.
Speaker 2: Because people be taking huge shits in the bank.
Speaker 1: I guess they just get nervous depositing all this money.
Speaker 1: Word on the street was correct. John and his gang
Speaker 1: crawled in through the bathroom window under the cover of darkness,
Speaker 1: and they walked right out because it smelled like shit,
Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't know, I can't hang not
Speaker 1: worth it. They laid down behind the counter and wait
Speaker 1: until the morning when the staff came in to open
Speaker 1: the bank. Oh my god, for a second I thought
Speaker 1: that where this was going was like and then they
Speaker 1: just kind of had have had at it, you know,
Speaker 1: they're just like.
Speaker 2: The d of the bank in the dark, yeah, and
Speaker 2: in the shield of like night. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, no, no. It was way more elaborate than or
Speaker 1: way more violent, I guess. As they came in one
Speaker 1: by one, John and his team grabbed them and tied
Speaker 1: them up at gunpoint. The youngest member of Johnny's gang
Speaker 1: was only nineteen, and his strongest memory of the heist
Speaker 1: was how big John Dillinger's gun was, oh ok, and
Speaker 1: how just and beastly in masculine he see him. And
Speaker 1: also this this nineteen year old was the one that
Speaker 1: went on to be a journalist and write into history.
Speaker 1: How hot it was, yeah, exactly. So eventually John forced
Speaker 1: the staff to open the vault and walked out with
Speaker 1: thirteen thousand dollars, which is like three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in cash today.
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot, I mean, it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially for these young young whipper snappers. I guess
Speaker 1: it must have been like thirty by this point. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't just a kid who was impressed. One of
Speaker 1: the local papers called it one of the most cleverly
Speaker 1: executed crimes in the country's history. Jerlas really fucking love
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 2: It's like waiting for like the review of your performance
Speaker 2: as like an actor or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're like you're yeah, you're waiting for the
Speaker 1: Hollywood reporter.
Speaker 2: Expected entry quite an expected premise of going through the
Speaker 2: window that we all know is open.
Speaker 1: Isn't that really fucking thing once that, once you're a
Speaker 1: show or is out or whatever. It's just like, I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those people that doesn't read the reviews.
Speaker 1: I'm like one hundred percent in there. Do you skip
Speaker 1: them or do you read them?
Speaker 2: I have like a wind where I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 2: just have to you know, I have to know the
Speaker 2: morbid curiosity, and then I feel like I don't keep going.
Speaker 1: Well, funny enough, you mentioned it, because we have the
Speaker 1: review of each one of your shows. Come on, guys,
Speaker 1: okay sung by the Vienna Boys Choir, Come on now.
Speaker 3: Not as good as her Coastal.
Speaker 1: So after the newspapers were really kissing his ass, the
Speaker 1: bank employees actually remember that the other robbers all seemed
Speaker 1: crazed or high, and they were all extremely nervous and
Speaker 1: jumpy with their eyes bugging out. But not John Dillinger.
Speaker 4: No, no, this guy's a psychopath, right, No, he was
Speaker 4: apparently very calm, yes, psychopath and gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Apparently it was very calm and just god, just like
Speaker 1: it was just he was just bulging out of his fans.
Speaker 1: He was polite through the entire thing, is what they said. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it turns out that money wasn't enough through John Dillinger.
Speaker 1: The very same day, the very same fucking day, when
Speaker 1: they got back to Indianapolis, John and his accomplices robbed
Speaker 1: you fucking guessed it, a grocery store. So the spree
Speaker 1: has sprung. John Dillinger and his crew set about robbing
Speaker 1: five Indiana and Ohio banks in four months, and John
Speaker 1: started to gain real fame as the bold, polite, absolutely
Speaker 1: fucking sexy, dressed to kill No but literally they said,
Speaker 1: dressed to kill burglar with a big gun. Literally they
Speaker 1: said that.
Speaker 3: The cops, I mean, people just want them to keep going. Really,
Speaker 3: I can't catch.
Speaker 1: The second they're like putting out ads on the newspaper
Speaker 1: like don't rob my bag.
Speaker 2: You know, and my money is shiny, don't take it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is the door, kno close proper,
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? So the next few scores
Speaker 1: were all in the same area, and Dilager was cruising.
Speaker 1: In July, he hit that commercial bank in Daleville, Indiana
Speaker 1: and made off with thirty five hundred dollars. He hit
Speaker 1: two banks in August, one in Indiana and one in Ohio,
Speaker 1: and together they scored over twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think he's doing with this money?
Speaker 1: Buying amazing clothes? I don't know what you're doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, with bane Crobots collection.
Speaker 1: Right then they were back in Indianapolis for their biggest
Speaker 1: heists yet, twenty one thousand dollars. But that by now
Speaker 1: they had a routine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we know he's coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. By now, everybody's like, nobody's like ramping up
Speaker 1: security or anything. They're just like, he's not. I think
Speaker 1: he's done, you guys, this man is satisfied. None. His
Speaker 1: routine was set.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was two men went into the bank while get
Speaker 1: away driver waited outside of the car. Doinger ran forward,
Speaker 1: jumped the counter, and held the bank teller at gunpoint,
Speaker 1: forced them to open the cash doors in the bank
Speaker 1: vault and forcing them to fill the bags with money.
Speaker 1: He and his accomplice would walk right back out of
Speaker 1: the front, hopping the car and drive off. They were
Speaker 1: super fast, and the whole thing was over in minutes.
Speaker 3: It was happening a broad daylight.
Speaker 1: Of course, they were gone before help could arrive. Did
Speaker 1: you know rob a bag? What's going to be this easy?
Speaker 3: No, it's almost like I want to try it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like what are you doing this weekend?
Speaker 1: All right? So John knew how to thank his friends
Speaker 1: for robbery lessons. He started sending pistols into their prison. Seriously.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he even just walked up to the jail and
Speaker 1: threw the guns over the walls.
Speaker 3: Okay, he would also pack them, and that's in the
Speaker 3: history books.
Speaker 1: That's in the history books. He did not give Yeah
Speaker 1: he is if I don't give a fuck was a person.
Speaker 1: It's this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Seriously.
Speaker 1: But he would also pack them in boxes of spoons
Speaker 1: and send them into the prison workshops. And how did
Speaker 1: they use their guns? Humorous? Dillinger's criminal cronies were now packing.
Speaker 1: They all teamed up. They rushed the guards. They moved
Speaker 1: through the halls and captured the superintendent with their hostage
Speaker 1: in hand, they made their way outside to steal a
Speaker 1: couple of cars. But now bullets were flying, blood is spilled,
Speaker 1: the cars peeled away, and the boys were out of there.
Speaker 1: The boys would taunt John Dillinger everything he knew. We're
Speaker 1: now on the loose. But now, ironically, it was just like,
Speaker 1: that's an impossible voice to keep for longer than that.
Speaker 1: But isn't that wild? Yes, ironically, it was just after
Speaker 1: his friend's escaped that Dillinger finally got caught. After five
Speaker 1: bank robberies and god knows how many four grocery stores,
Speaker 1: the cops had finally paid enough bribes to snitches and
Speaker 1: sex workers to find out where John's girlfriend lived. Oh,
Speaker 1: and now we know what he was using the money for.
Speaker 1: And they staked out her boarding house in Chicago, which
Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't you just buy her own apartment
Speaker 1: with all this money? So one night, when Dillinger dropped by,
Speaker 1: the cops swooped in, and just like that, the dashing
Speaker 1: bank robber was arrested.
Speaker 3: Wow at his girlfriend's house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like he was already fully clothed
Speaker 1: and expecting him. No, I don't know. Yeah, And there
Speaker 1: was cravats everywhere. It seems almost too easy, right, it does.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, he just like kept coming
Speaker 2: back to where he came from too.
Speaker 1: Like he was like he got cocky. But yeah, while
Speaker 1: John waited trial, the paper started printing that the jack
Speaker 1: rabbit that jumped over a bank counters was finally caught.
Speaker 1: But John was only in jail for a month. As
Speaker 1: soon as John was in his whole gang's mission became
Speaker 1: getting him out.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So Dyllinger was being held at the Allen County Jail
Speaker 1: in Lima, Ohio. The cops had sent him there because
Speaker 1: they were worried that he knew how to get out
Speaker 1: of state prisons in Indiana. Sure, yeah, he had the
Speaker 1: maps of prisons and he also helped his boys get
Speaker 1: away already, but they moved him only once stayed over
Speaker 1: Like it was just like a couple of miles out right.
Speaker 3: So the breakout completely unknown territory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of Ohio, where he's also already hit banks. So
Speaker 1: the breakout actually happened on October twelfth, nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 1: Six men gathered at the courthouse. Three men stayed outside
Speaker 1: and three went in inside. They found the sheriff sitting
Speaker 1: at his desk reading the newspaper while his wife sat
Speaker 1: nearby working on a crossword. Okay, what a detail to
Speaker 1: keep in the history books.
Speaker 2: It really is like scenes from a Chaplain movie or
Speaker 2: something like every little detail that that feels.
Speaker 1: Like it gets better. The deputy was sleeping on the
Speaker 1: office couch.
Speaker 3: That's all we were missing.
Speaker 1: And the men told the sheriff that they were officers
Speaker 1: who needed to question Dollinger Lowel. When he asked to
Speaker 1: see their credentials, they pulled out their pistols. The lead
Speaker 1: man said, here are credentials, buddy, Hey, here's our credentials. See,
Speaker 1: and they gunned down the sheriff where he sat. After
Speaker 1: he was shot, they beat the sheriff until his wife
Speaker 1: broke down and gave them the keys. Oh, so do
Speaker 1: you think that like getting shot is enough to like
Speaker 1: give over the keys.
Speaker 2: From Yeah, And it is shocking that there's just like
Speaker 2: no protection of the like at all from this thing happening.
Speaker 1: And now how does the wife have the keys? Man?
Speaker 1: They grabbed her and they dragged her to the cell
Speaker 1: along with the drowsy deputy. So they put her in
Speaker 1: when they pulled Billager out, So the gang ran outside
Speaker 1: and they piled into two waiting cars and they hit
Speaker 1: the road. Wow. Two days later, this is so wild,
Speaker 1: they hit a police station at a little town north
Speaker 1: of Fort Wayne, Indiana. They swarmed inside with guns drawn,
Speaker 1: locked up the cops, and scooped up their arsenal, two
Speaker 1: automatic rifles, a Thompson's submachine gun, three bulletproof vests in
Speaker 1: all the ammo they could hire. Can you believe? You believe?
Speaker 1: And that was only their first off. You would think
Speaker 1: that maybe the police stations might be on alert point
Speaker 1: I don't know, and apparently not in Peru, Indiana.
Speaker 2: No, everyone is so indefensible. It's like it's so wild,
Speaker 2: there are no consequences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, done, get out of here.
Speaker 1: Okay. So a week later they hit the police station
Speaker 1: in Peru, Indiana, and they locked up all the cops
Speaker 1: in the basement. They collected their weapons with two more
Speaker 1: Tommy guns, a couple of shotguns, more body armor, and
Speaker 1: so many rifles and pistols that it's really not even
Speaker 1: worth listening. Wow, leaving bodies in his wake. Now, Dyllinger
Speaker 1: was free, unarmed to the teeth. So his gang got
Speaker 1: immediately back on their horse, hitting banks across the Midwest. Wow,
Speaker 1: at one bank this is also fucking crazy. Where the
Speaker 1: cops actually caught up with him. Dillinger marched right out
Speaker 1: the front door with a human shield. The man jumped
Speaker 1: out of the way and the police opened fire, but
Speaker 1: Dillinger was armored up right. Witness it said, the bulls
Speaker 1: just splashed off his chest, as if the newspaper people
Speaker 1: needed more reason to be thirsty for this guy.
Speaker 3: Right exactly. He is invincible.
Speaker 1: It was like a Superman before a Superman sort of thing.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, he's made of steel. So
Speaker 1: the cop was shot eight times and Dillinger's accomplice was
Speaker 1: also hit, but the robbers still managed to make a
Speaker 1: getaway despite the rain of bullets slamming into their car.
Speaker 3: So much gun like battle, it's wild, so.
Speaker 1: Much cup play, you guys. Yeah. As the news came
Speaker 1: in a bank after bank getting turned over by Dillinger's
Speaker 1: high powered gang, the National Guards started talking about sending
Speaker 1: in tanks, planes and he loads of poison gas to
Speaker 1: Indiana to try to stop him. One got their fu
Speaker 1: plan was like where they gonna go to like gas
Speaker 1: the whole state. Right, We're gonna We're gonna kill a
Speaker 1: bunch of people, but we're definitely maybe gonna get into.
Speaker 3: One of them is probably gonna be John Delager.
Speaker 1: They could have stopped Dillinger, you know. At one point
Speaker 1: he even mealed a little present to the chief of
Speaker 1: Indiana State Police, a book called how to be a Detective.
Speaker 1: Fucking trold Buddy, you got hooked?
Speaker 3: Wow, dude, this guy is so psychotics.
Speaker 1: The gang rob banks in Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois. When
Speaker 1: it was all told, they were hauling close to three
Speaker 1: million dollars in today's money.
Speaker 2: Man, I mean maybe supporting the sex work economy of
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 1: Single handedly propping it up with their bank calls. With
Speaker 1: that huge score in tow, they packed up and ducked
Speaker 1: out of sight. They went to a place where everyone
Speaker 1: brings their ill gotten gains. They went the floor, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So they slept out of sight while the National Guard
Speaker 1: was mobilizing. Eventually there were shotgun gangs and machine gun
Speaker 1: squads of National Guard troops setting up checkpoints on the
Speaker 1: highways across the Midwest. But Dillinger was already out of reach,
Speaker 1: and he adopted a Kouba Knox and he was talking
Speaker 1: to It'll be like this and it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what gets Righty couldn't find him, and
Speaker 1: everybody in Florida found him incredibly sexually attractive.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, but.
Speaker 1: They probably did. He found the hiding place in Florida.
Speaker 1: He and his gang spend their time playing cards, swimming, fishing,
Speaker 1: drinking and hanging out. But Dyllinger was restless. They relax, Yes,
Speaker 1: just enjoy your vacation, John, Why do people never did it?
Speaker 3: You made it out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you a person when you're not trying not
Speaker 1: to drown in your vacation? Are you a person that that?
Speaker 1: Are you? Do you get angsy? Or are you good
Speaker 1: with chilling for for a while?
Speaker 3: I need I need those moments.
Speaker 2: Yes, I like have those vacations or whatever, retreats, whatever,
Speaker 2: so that I.
Speaker 3: Can be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love to just throw my feet up.
Speaker 1: When we were all starting out and there were like
Speaker 1: periods of like in four like of involuntary resting, I
Speaker 1: was never good at that. I was. I would hit
Speaker 1: it every Craigsist, audition, every fucking backstage actors, access, Mandy
Speaker 1: dot Com. I would find no downtime.
Speaker 2: It can feel like you're just like drowning. But when
Speaker 2: I guess, I feel.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Yeah. So in the end, it was in
Speaker 1: the National Guard who put the climbs on him. No, no,
Speaker 1: it was the local police in Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 3: In Arizona, No.
Speaker 1: Arizona, Cotumn. As the Dilager gang was planning an escape
Speaker 1: route to Mexico, some of John's got drunk at a
Speaker 1: local bar and started bragging, as everybody fucking does. Cops
Speaker 1: got win of it, and they raided the house where
Speaker 1: the gang was staying and scooped up a lot of
Speaker 1: the weapons and gear the rest of the people inside,
Speaker 1: and they just waited. Dolinger pulled up a few hours later.
Speaker 1: He walked up the steps and right into a police ambush.
Speaker 3: Oh, just as he was loosening his cravats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was pooring himself as first tumbler of brandy.
Speaker 1: Have you people know? Shame? Yeah, that's how they caught him,
Speaker 1: and along with John and most of the gang, the
Speaker 1: cops grabbed up tons of new clothes in a house.
Speaker 1: It sounds odd for the cops to be thrift shopping
Speaker 1: from the thieves like that, but whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's just going to go into evidence anyway,
Speaker 3: they may as well.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, all these cravats are not going away. We
Speaker 1: better be sponsored by a fucking cravat company after all
Speaker 1: this plugging. But what they had actually found was the
Speaker 1: clothes had been lined with money. That was it. It was
Speaker 1: the secret sash Oh where the gangs get away to Mexico.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, that one really shocked hu.
Speaker 2: I just I love the visual of that, like putting
Speaker 2: like dollar bills under like a sewing machine and like
Speaker 2: sewing them into a suit jacket or something.
Speaker 1: It's so cinematic, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Good idea.
Speaker 1: That brings us to January twenty fifth, nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 1: John Dillinger was shipped back to Indiana unlocked in Crown
Speaker 1: Point Jail to await his trial. Tons of armguards marched
Speaker 1: around the jail for the newspapers to snap pictures of
Speaker 1: There was no way he was going to escape this time.
Speaker 1: The trial was set for March twelfth, but Dillinger never
Speaker 1: planned to face the music. Wow, so in his cell,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, right, So John used the razor to
Speaker 1: slowly carve out a piece of wood into a fake pistol,
Speaker 1: then he blackened it with shoe polished and waited for
Speaker 1: his chance.
Speaker 2: Oh god, getting shoe polish on the black market.
Speaker 1: Also like it's all over your fingers now, it's just
Speaker 1: gonna look cross. But you can never get that stuff off.
Speaker 3: He's so obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So on the morning of Saturday, March third, he
Speaker 1: was taking to the jail's exercise room and left to himself.
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to see him work out. Apparently he made
Speaker 1: all the craziest sounds.
Speaker 4: They don't want to.
Speaker 3: See how the sausage is made.
Speaker 1: They He called out to one of the jailers who
Speaker 1: came into the room alone. John stepped up behind him
Speaker 1: and stuck the gun in his back. He marched the
Speaker 1: man to the cells, locked in the jailer. Then one
Speaker 1: by one he was able to track down the other
Speaker 1: guards and locked him up, releasing another inmate along the way.
Speaker 2: It's just everything you've said about how he has just
Speaker 2: sort of gone in through the front door, or just
Speaker 2: like he killed someone to get the keys or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just like, how is this he finished the crossroad
Speaker 1: possible to get the keys from the wife. Apparently, and
Speaker 1: this is the Banana's part of the story. The prisoners
Speaker 1: were able to lure in two dozen prison officers and
Speaker 1: lock them up in the cells.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like he has like power, mind control
Speaker 2: powers or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to come here and listen to
Speaker 1: some jazz and the smoke some Devil's lettuce. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll the fucking do that. John took one hostage, the
Speaker 1: county's deputy sheriff, marched him to the prison locker, then
Speaker 1: popped it open and pulled out all the guns and gear.
Speaker 1: Then John and the other escapee walked across the street
Speaker 1: to the city's garage. They waved the gun at the
Speaker 1: mechanic and asked for the fastest car. He pointed them
Speaker 1: to the sheriff's nineteen thirty three Ford v.
Speaker 3: Eight hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the mechanic remember that, Dillinger laughed when he
Speaker 1: realized it was the sheriff's car. Yeah. John pointed a
Speaker 1: Tommy gun at the sheriff's deputy and forced him to
Speaker 1: speed off down the road towards Chicago the Chicago bus.
Speaker 1: Baby grab it on. So more bank robberies followed, with
Speaker 1: new confederates like his new linkup with maybe the most
Speaker 1: memorably named gangster of the era, Baby face Nielsen, Wow, adorable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just like so cute. I'm like vicious. Between
Speaker 1: a South Dakota bank and an iol bank, they hit
Speaker 1: that March. Dillinger came away with another two million dollars.
Speaker 1: So it was an early birthday present for John. On
Speaker 1: June twenty second, he turned thirty one, and on that
Speaker 1: day he was.
Speaker 2: Declared accomplished so much so, yeah, overachiever.
Speaker 1: It was declared America's first ever public enemy number one.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's how I know him, That's why I
Speaker 3: know there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the government started throwing cash around five thousand
Speaker 1: for information leading to his arrest or. You could get
Speaker 1: ten thousand if you manage to capture him yourself, So
Speaker 1: that's like two hundred thousand in today's money. Is there
Speaker 1: is there a time in your life where you might
Speaker 1: have been tempted to go after him?
Speaker 3: What's the point you're gonna die?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck no, I don't know what would make me
Speaker 1: chase down a dude. That's obviously I killed so many
Speaker 1: people and stuck up so many fucking police stations.
Speaker 2: I know, right, That's just it's like they kind of
Speaker 2: they need all the help they can get It's just
Speaker 2: a desperate like, we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get him, or you could get him if you can,
Speaker 3: could you We're.
Speaker 1: Gonna get it, but if you get to it first. Whatever,
Speaker 1: Are you ready for a little more thirst?
Speaker 3: Give me?
Speaker 1: This was the point when theaters were playing the news
Speaker 1: before the movies, and as the story goes, when the
Speaker 1: reels would play in the theater and Dillinger appeared on
Speaker 1: the screen, the audience would cheer. And you know who
Speaker 1: fucking hated this, the head of the government's Department of Investigation,
Speaker 1: Jay Edgar Hoover's right, Okay, a little bit of true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had to rebrand because they got kicked in the
Speaker 1: ball so hard by Dillinger. Can you believe that's like
Speaker 1: that the Department of Investigation that like, he completely destroyed
Speaker 1: them in the pr battle. You know, so after just
Speaker 1: one year they changed their name from the Department of
Speaker 1: Investigation to the FBI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rebrand.
Speaker 1: It kind of makes sense of people at the time
Speaker 1: were on dillinger side because this is I'm not condoning
Speaker 1: violence or robbery, of course, yes i am, but this
Speaker 1: is smack in the middle of the Great Depression. So
Speaker 1: basically what people know is that banks fucking suck, the
Speaker 1: government sucks, and their lives were ruined by shipbacks, monkeying
Speaker 1: around with money beyond their control. Banks weren't loaning anyone
Speaker 1: money for the things that they needed. You wanted to
Speaker 1: buy a house, if you wanted to start a business,
Speaker 1: then fucking tough like you weren't going to get any
Speaker 1: other money. So Dillinger became kind of their fantasy. The
Speaker 1: bank refused you the money, what if we just walked
Speaker 1: in and took it.
Speaker 3: He's the revenge fantasy, totally exactly.
Speaker 1: So during the early robberies, one letter to the Indianapolis
Speaker 1: Star said, Yeah, I'm for John Dillinger. She he wasn't
Speaker 1: even worse than the bankers or the politicians who put
Speaker 1: the poor people's money. She he didn't rob poor people.
Speaker 1: She he robbed those who became rich by robbing the poor.
Speaker 1: She thank you, very right. That's a producer, tell you
Speaker 1: thank you. But really made him robbin hood to the
Speaker 1: American people with the mortgages, because when his game would
Speaker 1: rob a bank, they wouldn't just take the money, They
Speaker 1: would also take the mortgage records and the title deeds
Speaker 1: that the banks held, and Dillinger would torch them. Suddenly
Speaker 1: the banks didn't have the people work they needed to
Speaker 1: claim ownership over people's houses. It wasn't exactly stealing from
Speaker 1: the rates to give to the poor, but it was
Speaker 1: pretty fucking close. Oh yeah. Interesting, And the stealing from
Speaker 1: the rich part, he really had down path. That was
Speaker 1: enough for a lot of people in the Great Depression
Speaker 1: just to fuck up the rich people's day. At this point,
Speaker 1: Dillinger was so popular and his mugshots were everywhere. He
Speaker 1: realized that he needed to change his look. It was
Speaker 1: too sexy. Some people said, so, if you're downing jer
Speaker 1: and you got to change up the look, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? Are you gonna get some killer
Speaker 1: sideburns or some.
Speaker 3: Mutton chop so blonde?
Speaker 1: What would you do?
Speaker 3: Oh me, oh, mun chop sounds.
Speaker 1: Good, right?
Speaker 2: I I really like style reinventions, like to change up
Speaker 2: the exterior.
Speaker 1: I don't know just what color palets I use it.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to try more blue. It's because
Speaker 1: soundm feeling adventurous. John decided plastic surgery was the way
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: What fucking posty whatever it was.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of advancements from plastic surgery happened
Speaker 1: because of people mangled in World War One and so
Speaker 1: to replace faces, and there are so a lot of
Speaker 1: the you know, they did really some sort of crazy
Speaker 1: shit with with very limited technology at the time. So,
Speaker 1: but but John didn't go the full route. He had
Speaker 1: two moles cut off, he slugged off a scar on
Speaker 1: his lip, and he pushed his cheeks higher. Okay, he
Speaker 1: had a dend in his nose filled in, but most importantly,
Speaker 1: he filled the dimple on his chin. What Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little limerick. On top of that, he had his
Speaker 1: fingerprints burned off with acid. Okay. Also, that's the fucking like.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you could go that elaborate with
Speaker 1: plastic surgery at the time.
Speaker 2: I thought, Hey, oh, do you mean like just everything
Speaker 2: like filling in dimples and getting like bocle fat trans.
Speaker 1: Particularly the push his cheeks higher. It just seems like
Speaker 1: that feel like that feels like really complicated to do.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, that's like breaking your face.
Speaker 1: He mustn't look fucking wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was he in like a face brace? I mean,
Speaker 3: how do you like from all that shit?
Speaker 1: Well, emotionally, we don't know, but physically three months and
Speaker 1: This was all for the lolo price of like one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in today's money. That wasn't too bad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's like sown in corners?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: That is some cotting corner shed. I bet you they
Speaker 1: gave him like a pig slab on his cheeks. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: he was hanging out at a friend's house, lying low
Speaker 1: for a month, or actually not exactly lying low. After
Speaker 1: the surgery, John apparently thought he was untouchable, so he
Speaker 1: spent the month hanging out with his girlfriend all around Chicago.
Speaker 1: They went to restaurants.
Speaker 3: Oh they're still together even though she turned his ass in.
Speaker 1: I might have been a new one.
Speaker 2: Wait, so he did this facial reconstruction to disguise himself,
Speaker 2: or just as a vein to disguise himself.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that's.
Speaker 1: What he was, just setting a hook. He was like
Speaker 1: going to restaurants, amusement sparks. John went gambling, and he
Speaker 1: went to shows. Can you imagine you're like at a
Speaker 1: fucking like death cap of a cutie concert? You're like,
Speaker 1: is that the No, it can't be.
Speaker 3: He looks like a public enemy Number one.
Speaker 1: I love that people be like, no, no, he's got
Speaker 1: a chin dimple. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, in true cinematic fashion, it was a trip to
Speaker 1: the movies that finally got John caught. Orse. So, one night,
Speaker 1: a broth madam who knew John's girlfriend told the cops
Speaker 1: that she was going to join John for a movie
Speaker 1: at the Biograph Theater. They were watching a gangster flick
Speaker 1: naturally called Manhattan Melodrama Meta. The movie ended just after
Speaker 1: ten o'clock that night, when Dyllinger stepped out of the
Speaker 1: theater with the crowd, some freshly branded FBI agents moved
Speaker 1: in rand As a crowd on the sidewalks thinned out,
Speaker 1: Dillinger looked around and realized the agents were surrounding him.
Speaker 1: He bolted for an alleyway, but they didn't chase. They
Speaker 1: just threw their guns and opened fire. Oh this time,
Speaker 1: John couldn't out run the bullets. A killer shot hit
Speaker 1: him in the back of the head, and he went down.
Speaker 1: After he died, something like fifteen thousand people came to
Speaker 1: see his body, and the legends about him continued. Of course,
Speaker 1: that included the story that he wasn't actually killed at
Speaker 1: the theater. Some people said that his body was misidentified
Speaker 1: and that the murdered man was someone else?
Speaker 3: Oh because of the cheeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably. There's even the idea that dillinger allies actually hoaxed
Speaker 1: the investigators, that his girlfriend set up the cops with
Speaker 1: someone else, and that the FBI were tricked into gunning
Speaker 1: down some other man, which left Fyllinger free to disappear.
Speaker 1: But the new FBI had no doubt the acid burd
Speaker 1: hadn't worked. Dillinger's trigger finger was unmistakable. The Prince matched
Speaker 1: America's Robin Hood had made his final escape.
Speaker 3: Into the afterlife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our stories.
Speaker 3: You need a what on epic Dad? I mean that
Speaker 3: is that's a better served standing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's feeling anti climactic when he was just
Speaker 2: like caught, even though like yeah he should be.
Speaker 1: Also it feels like he's getting caught because he's like
Speaker 1: keeps going to brothels and I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: He's like this time around, it's gonna be fine. Exactly
Speaker 1: what are he taken away from the story? What's what was?
Speaker 1: What was something that really jumped out of you? Truly?
Speaker 2: All the guns, like just that there's such everyone had
Speaker 2: like a stash of conment.
Speaker 3: Everyone but like no.
Speaker 1: Every single person. Yeah, yeah, everyone had a stash of
Speaker 1: Tommy guns.
Speaker 3: The Tommy guns, Like, what the fuck? It's terrifying.
Speaker 2: I took away that like the thirties, this era was terrifying, insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be there. I'm glad let's not.
Speaker 1: Go back there. But we're gonna be there in like
Speaker 1: ten years, just in a different type of thirties. Hey, Snita,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being honest. Where can our
Speaker 1: listeners find you?
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 2: I guess I'm on the internet and are you in
Speaker 2: the social meds? I'm on the social meds. I posted
Speaker 2: about things like upcoming movies and what.
Speaker 1: You see, what we're gonna do movies in piction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so find her at Sunita Moni. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: The money, yeah, my first last name.
Speaker 1: I got that one.
Speaker 4: Good for you, man, Yeah, thank you so much, thanks
Speaker 4: for having me by our Tuto bye.
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