WEBVTT - Dashing Dillinger with Sunita Mani

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<v Speaker 1>This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you the wildest

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<v Speaker 1>true escape stories. Now today we're going to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Great Depression and to the golden age of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bancheist to tell you a story of a man

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<v Speaker 1>who may be America's most celebrated outlaw. I'm Martro Castro,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm joined by a fantastic actress, a super kind

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<v Speaker 1>soul always makes me want to get up and dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Sunita MANI.

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<v Speaker 2>Wha.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a bench of special and everybody, we got

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<v Speaker 1>a real treat for you today. I'm I'm a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of her and I've known her for for a

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<v Speaker 1>long long time, I guess by this point, so welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. Sunita MANI give me ben? Where is

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<v Speaker 1>my prop pa pal?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? But but I love you. Okay, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you just said you ready? I the sound effects, so

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<v Speaker 1>on that note, What do you consider to be your

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<v Speaker 1>greatest escape?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was just thinking about the time that I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I escaped the jaws of death.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, dramatic music will put it on and post It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first thing that came to mind. I was

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<v Speaker 3>on my honeymoon with my now husband in Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>We were in Sicily, So this is like twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>well before White Lotus.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, twenty eighteen. You were there first.

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<v Speaker 2>We had this like wonderful time, this like lovely week.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole week we had been doing like really remote stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was like a populated place. Anyway, We're swimming

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<v Speaker 2>in the ocean, it's lovely. All of a sudden, we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting a little far away from the shore and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of noticing no one. No one else is

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<v Speaker 2>like really in the water, Maybe we should go back.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just like yeah, I don't know, it feels a

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<v Speaker 2>little far. So we're trying to go back. We cannot

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<v Speaker 2>get back to the shore.

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<v Speaker 1>And you feel like you're not making progress.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not making progress at all. It's a riptide. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I'd just never been caught in like a riptide before.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you feel the current?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I wasn't like feeling like a swirling vortex

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<v Speaker 2>or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>We just like couldn't swim out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I know this to anyone who is ever

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<v Speaker 2>gotten a riptide. You don't swim like directly towards the shore.

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<v Speaker 2>You swim parallel to the shore now to get out,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was one of those guttural things of like

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<v Speaker 2>screaming for help, Oh my god, just like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was like far enough away that the shore

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<v Speaker 3>was to not even know if anyone could hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Us, could you see people on the shore.

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<v Speaker 3>Eventually we see these like six men.

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<v Speaker 2>In speedos run race into the ocean like to come

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<v Speaker 2>after us. They're like yelling Italian at us.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, I know, they're calling us.

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<v Speaker 3>Idiots, Like what were you thinking? And we're like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. Do we miss a sign? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're kind of like linked arms with these strangers

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<v Speaker 2>who are nice enough to like try and help us.

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<v Speaker 3>And then all six of us can't get back to

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<v Speaker 3>the shore.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well eight of us, me and my husband and

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<v Speaker 2>these like six men and speedo's.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just six of us because the two of

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<v Speaker 1>them died.

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<v Speaker 2>At all.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So now you're all funcked.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're all screaming, we're all fucked. And that's when

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<v Speaker 3>they really start yelling at.

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<v Speaker 1>Us, like it's like fucking die, I want to die.

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<v Speaker 2>By this point, the everyone on the beach is just

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<v Speaker 2>like standing up and watching and like looking.

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<v Speaker 3>Out and being like, uh, what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, a lifeguard like comes to throw one of those

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<v Speaker 2>like life rings, you know, and he's going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to pull us in, and we're just like again, the shore,

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<v Speaker 2>the waves are really turbulent. So by the time it

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<v Speaker 2>like the donut gets to us and we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>meet the donut halfway, it's like it's struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>Exhausted by this one, We're so exhausted.

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<v Speaker 2>We finally reached the damn donut and it's connected to

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<v Speaker 2>a rope so that they could like pull us in

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<v Speaker 2>from the shore.

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<v Speaker 3>They let go of the rope.

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<v Speaker 1>Why the fuck would they let go of the fucking rope? Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened, but I think we were

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<v Speaker 2>just too far out and they were like, well, at

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<v Speaker 2>least they have the donut.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like one donut for fucking h my man, they

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<v Speaker 1>have the dona now they figured it. We're all job

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<v Speaker 1>and they all continued on with their day and they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, And then eventually they like because it's a marina,

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<v Speaker 2>someone like someone in their like a little motor boat

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<v Speaker 2>come from behind us, like they don't come from the shore.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually like kind of come from behind because I

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<v Speaker 2>think the waves are just too strong.

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<v Speaker 1>The visuals of this are amazing. You have to write this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So eventually we like do get on the boats,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when I started like really panicking. Actually, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like when I totally broke down, like when we were okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like hyperventilating, like really fat and scared and like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, they were so nice.

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<v Speaker 3>We finally got back to the shore. It was such relief.

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<v Speaker 2>But also I was like, Okay, I guess we're like

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<v Speaker 2>drinking wine now, you know, another cafe or something.

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<v Speaker 3>It was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that feeling of like life is so beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>and fine and lovely and I'm so grateful to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>and also like wow, the fuck yeah, am paralyzed by

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<v Speaker 2>like fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh much. Well, listen, thank you so much for sharing that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad we you are okay, And to the

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<v Speaker 1>Banana Ham gentleman of sicily said that, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>are you ready to hear of another escape?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. For today's story, We're headed to the American heartland.

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<v Speaker 1>Indianapolis and also incidentally, the romance capital of the world. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not nobody. Nobody there has ever so not the

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<v Speaker 1>romance capital of the world Indianapolis. But the year that

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about is you're nineteen o three, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when a boy named Johnny is born into a family

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<v Speaker 1>that owned a grocery store. That's it. I know it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like random detail, but it's gonna come up again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So grocery based crime, it's gonna be on the way. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So as he grew up, Johnny was constantly getting into

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<v Speaker 1>trouble and his dad, like many dads at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>try to punish the rebellion out of Johnny. Now spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>it did not work. So Johnny got up to some mischief.

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<v Speaker 1>He formed a neighborhood gang of kids who called themselves

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<v Speaker 1>the Dirty Dozen. Did you have a did you have

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<v Speaker 1>a tight group of friends when you grow up?

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't like a little neighborhood gang, and none of

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<v Speaker 2>us went to school together. It was it felt very

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<v Speaker 2>much of the like the three blocks you know I lived,

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<v Speaker 2>and like we shared.

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<v Speaker 1>I shared a.

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<v Speaker 2>Backyard with one of them, and yeah, we had our

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<v Speaker 2>little bikes and we would like run around in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool. So you didn't come in any crimes

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<v Speaker 1>with your neighborhood friends. Nothing for I did. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>something were legal in Oh yeah. The worst thing we

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<v Speaker 1>did was we stole a stop sign.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because we wanted to holes like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were like we vandalyized some shit, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So sorry, I want them all on's if you ever

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<v Speaker 1>come get me. There's no extradition laws. So the crimes

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<v Speaker 1>of Johnny committed with this Dirty Dozen gang were little

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<v Speaker 1>things like the day they stole some liquor off a

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<v Speaker 1>train and Johnny showed up at school drunk. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Johnny will hang out. And then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>time they make some coal from railroad cars to sell

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<v Speaker 1>to their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>All these are such old timy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, so, yeah, we have an ice box here.

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<v Speaker 3>See yeah, distributing coal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of industrious, isn't it. So most neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>actually describe Johnny as a cheerful, likable youngster, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said that he dressed well and they thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>only as mischievous as every other boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Okay, they gave him some slack, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they caught him some slacks. He dressed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes his cold fuck it. So that's all it

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<v Speaker 1>took back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, simpler times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was the romance capital of the world. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be word just like chilling. So in nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>John's dad moved the family out of the city to

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<v Speaker 1>a small and he was trying to keep John out

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble. But no doubt, like John got extremely bored

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<v Speaker 1>and he was always driving back into Indianapolis looking for.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody to do It's Johnny's way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Johnny, or get out of the way, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to see more of the world. Was there

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<v Speaker 1>ever any time growing up where you had a real

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<v Speaker 1>sense of wonder lust? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was always like a small town girl

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<v Speaker 2>wide eyed for the city, like syndrome that I had.

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<v Speaker 1>You you always had New York at your sights.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think it was like watching Annie

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<v Speaker 2>or something. You know, it was just having that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, just like wanting to be Annie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you were Annie. It was also mat of fact.

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<v Speaker 1>So once when John was driving to the city to

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<v Speaker 1>visit his girlfriend also happened to be his uncle stepdaughter. Weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, got it, that's like clueless, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, it's kind of clueless.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where like Alicia Silverstone's character.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it is, Paul's character. I take it all back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not weird, it's CLUELESSI victorian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it's his uncle step daughter, so it's even

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<v Speaker 1>twice removed. Fair game, buddy. So the thing was, John

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<v Speaker 1>was driving a car that he had stolen for the trip,

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<v Speaker 1>so he ran through the Yep, he ran from this

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<v Speaker 1>traffic stop, and the cops actually fired a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>shots at him as he scampered away, and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>situation was generally a messive. So John decided that his

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<v Speaker 1>best way out was to skip town completely. So he

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<v Speaker 1>did the logical thing what you do at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he joined the navy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hop on a train.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is like playing out like a Charlie Chaplin

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<v Speaker 2>film or something exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So he started. He learned how to tap dance and yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh peep you and just like a little kyri and

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<v Speaker 1>that says peep you. So John served on this ship

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<v Speaker 1>for only a few months. He thought that his dad

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<v Speaker 1>was harsh, but now that he was a fireman in

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<v Speaker 1>the navy, meaning that he shoveled coal into the end

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<v Speaker 1>in furnaces. Oh, the coal, the coal, the coal. It

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<v Speaker 1>fucking sucked. So John naturally when a wall and the

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<v Speaker 1>Navy placed a bounty on his head fifty dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>the runaway fireman.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, fifty dollars must have been a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven hundred thousand dollars at the time. It was actually

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<v Speaker 1>the first you could buy a country with fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first time the authorities offered money first capture,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was far far from being the last. And

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the Navy wasn't looking too hard for him. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like if it's no trouble, if you

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<v Speaker 1>find him on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like how I dog sat one time in

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<v Speaker 2>la and the owner was like kind of joking about

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<v Speaker 2>like if the dog, like you know, runs away, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like an insurance saying, don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we don't like the dog very much. Actually, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>my kids really liked the dog. But if something happens

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<v Speaker 2>to the dog, you know, Honestly, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked questions, I really like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't sure if he was like trying to tell

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<v Speaker 3>me to like, like.

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<v Speaker 1>What am I involved with a psychopath? So listen. So

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<v Speaker 1>since the Navy wasn't really looking to heart like, John

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<v Speaker 1>actually showed up back home and he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>pass it off to his family that he had been

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<v Speaker 1>honorably discharge. He spent a couple of months playing pool

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<v Speaker 1>and baseball and sweet talking a teenage girl. John was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and he married a sixteen year old who moved

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<v Speaker 1>in with his family, which gross. I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>firmly on the side of no miners marrying.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell if this is just like is this

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<v Speaker 2>regular confidence that people had.

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<v Speaker 3>Back then, Like there are there a lot of Johnnies

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<v Speaker 3>like this. I don't know. I feel like you could

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<v Speaker 3>get away with all this shit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what lost the Industrial Revolution children, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>things took a darker turn in the fall when John

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<v Speaker 1>and a friend robbed a grocery store. Yeah, the grocer

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<v Speaker 1>locked up the store at the end of the week

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<v Speaker 1>and was walking home with the money from his cash

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<v Speaker 1>register when John jumped in. He attacked a man with

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<v Speaker 1>an iron bar that's fucked up and John was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for the attack. His dad was so pissed. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>actually advised John to plead guilty and take his punishment

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<v Speaker 1>for the crime because he thought that this was John's

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<v Speaker 1>first arrest that he might get off easy. Well, no, no, no, John,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny young Johnny was giving the maximum penalty of ten

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison, even though he had no previous criminal record.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's making up for all the bad shit he did.

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<v Speaker 1>So for ten years John stewed in prison rubbing his

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<v Speaker 1>shoulders with other social outcasts. And it is to turn

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<v Speaker 1>out a key kind of fit in.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>So like him, they weren't suited for the discipline of

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<v Speaker 1>navy ships or backbreaking farm work or semi professional plates.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the fuck they were doing the time.

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<v Speaker 1>They were burglars, bootleggers and train robbers, and John Dillinger

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<v Speaker 1>was taking lessons boat. What you know the story of

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<v Speaker 1>John Willinger?

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<v Speaker 3>I have heard of him, but I'm like forgetting history.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you you, thank you. One defining trait of

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<v Speaker 1>John Dillingder was his love for looking good. Think Paul Rudd,

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<v Speaker 1>He's just like ageless forever. When he made it on

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<v Speaker 1>a parole in May nineteen thirty three. He was ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go out there and get himself a straw boater,

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<v Speaker 1>had a fresh haircut and a silk cravat or two.

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<v Speaker 1>What's a cravat? Like a cravat like a little little tie?

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<v Speaker 3>Cravat is like a neck handkerchief?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what it is? That is correct? Nice little necktie? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I want one?

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one historian was very careful to note. John came

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<v Speaker 1>out of prison smarter, trimmer, and more muscular, which made

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<v Speaker 1>him I quote yeah, and I quote attracted to women

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<v Speaker 1>and respected by men.

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<v Speaker 3>In history. That is history.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hilarious commercial, right, but like for prison, yeah, prison exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me a light at music. All right, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>rehearsed this. Here we go. Hi, Are you a loner

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<v Speaker 1>who hates the navy? You get compared to the shrimp

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<v Speaker 1>you sell at your dad's grocery store, Then you need

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<v Speaker 1>the one and only only in closest state guarantee make

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<v Speaker 1>you smarter, driver, more muscular, president, become instructed for women

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<v Speaker 1>and respected by men. This miss is brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by Dapperanswool, private and characteries jealousy who I'm bad for

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<v Speaker 1>our first try of that. That's great. But John stepped

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<v Speaker 1>out of prison into hard times, right. The banks had

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<v Speaker 1>crashed in nineteen twenty nine, and it was a great depression.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they were in a lot of jobs for

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<v Speaker 1>an ex con stepping out of prison, no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>fucking sexy he looked at pr Yeah, fucking sucksy, bro, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking good. So this is no problem for John though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because he didn't even try. First he went

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<v Speaker 1>home and he told his family that he had learned

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<v Speaker 1>his lesson. He was a new man.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a liar.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a fucking liar. Second, big a second. Second thing

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<v Speaker 1>he did, Sinnia. Second thing he did. He met up

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of guys who knew his prison buddies,

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<v Speaker 1>and they struck up a plan.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, this was the beginning of what one historian calls

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<v Speaker 1>John Dillinger's wild Ride, one of the most buck wild

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<v Speaker 1>crime spreees in American history. The lord, yeah, no, it

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<v Speaker 1>was wild. So they kicked things off with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of starter robberies, just ICs to get their feet with

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<v Speaker 1>some teasers. That's right, appetizers if you will, cravats cravat

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<v Speaker 1>for the hunger, so they hit up two grocery stores.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just a prime the pump a little bit right.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it was onto the real targets. In June nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, John rolled into the new Carlisle, Ohio, a

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<v Speaker 1>second romance capital of the world, and together with his

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<v Speaker 1>new gang, he was headed for the National Bank. Word

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<v Speaker 1>on the street was that they always left the rear

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<v Speaker 1>window open in the bathroom, even the night, which to

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<v Speaker 1>me sounds like an inside job. How would you know

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<v Speaker 1>unless they were putting it like that was like their

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<v Speaker 1>shady slogan, like come to our bank. The windows are

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<v Speaker 1>open anytime. Our door is always open, and if it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>our window is in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>Because people be taking huge shits in the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they just get nervous depositing all this money.

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<v Speaker 1>Word on the street was correct. John and his gang

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<v Speaker 1>crawled in through the bathroom window under the cover of darkness,

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<v Speaker 1>and they walked right out because it smelled like shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, I don't know, I can't hang not

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<v Speaker 1>worth it. They laid down behind the counter and wait

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<v Speaker 1>until the morning when the staff came in to open

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<v Speaker 1>the bank. Oh my god, for a second I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that where this was going was like and then they

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of had have had at it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just like.

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<v Speaker 2>The d of the bank in the dark, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the shield of like night. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no. It was way more elaborate than or

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<v Speaker 1>way more violent, I guess. As they came in one

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<v Speaker 1>by one, John and his team grabbed them and tied

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<v Speaker 1>them up at gunpoint. The youngest member of Johnny's gang

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<v Speaker 1>was only nineteen, and his strongest memory of the heist

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<v Speaker 1>was how big John Dillinger's gun was, oh ok, and

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<v Speaker 1>how just and beastly in masculine he see him. And

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<v Speaker 1>also this this nineteen year old was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>went on to be a journalist and write into history.

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<v Speaker 1>How hot it was, yeah, exactly. So eventually John forced

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<v Speaker 1>the staff to open the vault and walked out with

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen thousand dollars, which is like three hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in cash today.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's a lot, I mean, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially for these young young whipper snappers. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it must have been like thirty by this point. But

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just a kid who was impressed. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the local papers called it one of the most cleverly

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<v Speaker 1>executed crimes in the country's history. Jerlas really fucking love

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<v Speaker 1>this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like waiting for like the review of your performance

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<v Speaker 2>as like an actor or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you're like you're yeah, you're waiting for the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood reporter.

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<v Speaker 2>Expected entry quite an expected premise of going through the

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<v Speaker 2>window that we all know is open.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that really fucking thing once that, once you're a

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<v Speaker 1>show or is out or whatever. It's just like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not one of those people that doesn't read the reviews.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like one hundred percent in there. Do you skip

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<v Speaker 1>them or do you read them?

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<v Speaker 2>I have like a wind where I'm like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>just have to you know, I have to know the

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<v Speaker 2>morbid curiosity, and then I feel like I don't keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, funny enough, you mentioned it, because we have the

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<v Speaker 1>review of each one of your shows. Come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>okay sung by the Vienna Boys Choir, Come on now.

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<v Speaker 3>Not as good as her Coastal.

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<v Speaker 1>So after the newspapers were really kissing his ass, the

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<v Speaker 1>bank employees actually remember that the other robbers all seemed

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<v Speaker 1>crazed or high, and they were all extremely nervous and

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<v Speaker 1>jumpy with their eyes bugging out. But not John Dillinger.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, this guy's a psychopath, right, No, he was

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<v Speaker 4>apparently very calm, yes, psychopath and gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was very calm and just god, just like

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<v Speaker 1>it was just he was just bulging out of his fans.

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<v Speaker 1>He was polite through the entire thing, is what they said. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it turns out that money wasn't enough through John Dillinger.

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<v Speaker 1>The very same day, the very same fucking day, when

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<v Speaker 1>they got back to Indianapolis, John and his accomplices robbed

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<v Speaker 1>you fucking guessed it, a grocery store. So the spree

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<v Speaker 1>has sprung. John Dillinger and his crew set about robbing

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<v Speaker 1>five Indiana and Ohio banks in four months, and John

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<v Speaker 1>started to gain real fame as the bold, polite, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>fucking sexy, dressed to kill No but literally they said,

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<v Speaker 1>dressed to kill burglar with a big gun. Literally they

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<v Speaker 1>said that.

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<v Speaker 3>The cops, I mean, people just want them to keep going. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't catch.

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<v Speaker 1>The second they're like putting out ads on the newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>like don't rob my bag.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and my money is shiny, don't take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, this is the door, kno close proper,

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<v Speaker 1>What are we gonna do? So the next few scores

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<v Speaker 1>were all in the same area, and Dilager was cruising.

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<v Speaker 1>In July, he hit that commercial bank in Daleville, Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>and made off with thirty five hundred dollars. He hit

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<v Speaker 1>two banks in August, one in Indiana and one in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and together they scored over twelve thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what do you think he's doing with this money?

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<v Speaker 1>Buying amazing clothes? I don't know what you're doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with bane Crobots collection.

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<v Speaker 1>Right then they were back in Indianapolis for their biggest

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<v Speaker 1>heists yet, twenty one thousand dollars. But that by now

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<v Speaker 1>they had a routine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we know he's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. By now, everybody's like, nobody's like ramping up

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<v Speaker 1>security or anything. They're just like, he's not. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's done, you guys, this man is satisfied. None. His

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<v Speaker 1>routine was set.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was two men went into the bank while get

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<v Speaker 1>away driver waited outside of the car. Doinger ran forward,

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<v Speaker 1>jumped the counter, and held the bank teller at gunpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>forced them to open the cash doors in the bank

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<v Speaker 1>vault and forcing them to fill the bags with money.

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<v Speaker 1>He and his accomplice would walk right back out of

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<v Speaker 1>the front, hopping the car and drive off. They were

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<v Speaker 1>super fast, and the whole thing was over in minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>It was happening a broad daylight.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, they were gone before help could arrive. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know rob a bag? What's going to be this easy?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's almost like I want to try it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's almost like what are you doing this weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? So John knew how to thank his friends

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<v Speaker 1>for robbery lessons. He started sending pistols into their prison. Seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he even just walked up to the jail and

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<v Speaker 1>threw the guns over the walls.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, he would also pack them, and that's in the

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<v Speaker 3>history books.

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<v Speaker 1>That's in the history books. He did not give Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>he is if I don't give a fuck was a person.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 3>Seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>But he would also pack them in boxes of spoons

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<v Speaker 1>and send them into the prison workshops. And how did

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<v Speaker 1>they use their guns? Humorous? Dillinger's criminal cronies were now packing.

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<v Speaker 1>They all teamed up. They rushed the guards. They moved

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<v Speaker 1>through the halls and captured the superintendent with their hostage

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<v Speaker 1>in hand, they made their way outside to steal a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of cars. But now bullets were flying, blood is spilled,

0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the cars peeled away, and the boys were out of there.

0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.720
<v Speaker 1>The boys would taunt John Dillinger everything he knew. We're

0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:03.520
<v Speaker 1>now on the loose. But now, ironically, it was just like,

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.679
<v Speaker 1>that's an impossible voice to keep for longer than that.

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 1>But isn't that wild? Yes, ironically, it was just after

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>his friend's escaped that Dillinger finally got caught. After five

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 1>bank robberies and god knows how many four grocery stores,

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the cops had finally paid enough bribes to snitches and

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>sex workers to find out where John's girlfriend lived. Oh,

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and now we know what he was using the money for.

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And they staked out her boarding house in Chicago, which

0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why don't you just buy her own apartment

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:35.360
<v Speaker 1>with all this money? So one night, when Dillinger dropped by,

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the cops swooped in, and just like that, the dashing

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:40.440
<v Speaker 1>bank robber was arrested.

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Wow at his girlfriend's house.

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he was like he was already fully clothed

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and expecting him. No, I don't know. Yeah, And there

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>was cravats everywhere. It seems almost too easy, right, it does.

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, he just like kept coming

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>back to where he came from too.

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Like he was like he got cocky. But yeah, while

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.440
<v Speaker 1>John waited trial, the paper started printing that the jack

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 1>rabbit that jumped over a bank counters was finally caught.

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>But John was only in jail for a month. As

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.879
<v Speaker 1>soon as John was in his whole gang's mission became

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>getting him out.

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>So Dyllinger was being held at the Allen County Jail

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 1>in Lima, Ohio. The cops had sent him there because

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:23.439
<v Speaker 1>they were worried that he knew how to get out

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>of state prisons in Indiana. Sure, yeah, he had the

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 1>maps of prisons and he also helped his boys get

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.680
<v Speaker 1>away already, but they moved him only once stayed over

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>Like it was just like a couple of miles out right.

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 3>So the breakout completely unknown territory.

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of Ohio, where he's also already hit banks. So

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the breakout actually happened on October twelfth, nineteen thirty three.

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Six men gathered at the courthouse. Three men stayed outside

0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and three went in inside. They found the sheriff sitting

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>at his desk reading the newspaper while his wife sat

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 1>nearby working on a crossword. Okay, what a detail to

0:24:58.560 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>keep in the history books.

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>It really is like scenes from a Chaplain movie or

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>something like every little detail that that feels.

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Like it gets better. The deputy was sleeping on the

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 1>office couch.

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 3>That's all we were missing.

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>And the men told the sheriff that they were officers

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>who needed to question Dollinger Lowel. When he asked to

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>see their credentials, they pulled out their pistols. The lead

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>man said, here are credentials, buddy, Hey, here's our credentials. See,

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.119
<v Speaker 1>and they gunned down the sheriff where he sat. After

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>he was shot, they beat the sheriff until his wife

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>broke down and gave them the keys. Oh, so do

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 1>you think that like getting shot is enough to like

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:38.680
<v Speaker 1>give over the keys.

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 2>From Yeah, And it is shocking that there's just like

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.400
<v Speaker 2>no protection of the like at all from this thing happening.

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>And now how does the wife have the keys? Man?

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>They grabbed her and they dragged her to the cell

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.360
<v Speaker 1>along with the drowsy deputy. So they put her in

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 1>when they pulled Billager out, So the gang ran outside

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and they piled into two waiting cars and they hit

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the road. Wow. Two days later, this is so wild,

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>they hit a police station at a little town north

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>of Fort Wayne, Indiana. They swarmed inside with guns drawn,

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>locked up the cops, and scooped up their arsenal, two

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>automatic rifles, a Thompson's submachine gun, three bulletproof vests in

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 1>all the ammo they could hire. Can you believe? You believe?

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>And that was only their first off. You would think

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 1>that maybe the police stations might be on alert point

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and apparently not in Peru, Indiana.

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 2>No, everyone is so indefensible. It's like it's so wild,

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 2>there are no consequences.

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, see, done, get out of here.

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So a week later they hit the police station

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>in Peru, Indiana, and they locked up all the cops

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>in the basement. They collected their weapons with two more

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 1>Tommy guns, a couple of shotguns, more body armor, and

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>so many rifles and pistols that it's really not even

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 1>worth listening. Wow, leaving bodies in his wake. Now, Dyllinger

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>was free, unarmed to the teeth. So his gang got

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>immediately back on their horse, hitting banks across the Midwest. Wow,

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>at one bank this is also fucking crazy. Where the

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>cops actually caught up with him. Dillinger marched right out

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the front door with a human shield. The man jumped

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>out of the way and the police opened fire, but

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.959
<v Speaker 1>Dillinger was armored up right. Witness it said, the bulls

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 1>just splashed off his chest, as if the newspaper people

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.400
<v Speaker 1>needed more reason to be thirsty for this guy.

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 3>Right exactly. He is invincible.

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 1>It was like a Superman before a Superman sort of thing.

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh my god, he's made of steel. So

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the cop was shot eight times and Dillinger's accomplice was

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>also hit, but the robbers still managed to make a

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>getaway despite the rain of bullets slamming into their car.

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 3>So much gun like battle, it's wild, so.

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Much cup play, you guys. Yeah. As the news came

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in a bank after bank getting turned over by Dillinger's

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>high powered gang, the National Guards started talking about sending

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>in tanks, planes and he loads of poison gas to

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Indiana to try to stop him. One got their fu

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>plan was like where they gonna go to like gas

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole state. Right, We're gonna We're gonna kill a

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>bunch of people, but we're definitely maybe gonna get into.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 3>One of them is probably gonna be John Delager.

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>They could have stopped Dillinger, you know. At one point

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>he even mealed a little present to the chief of

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Indiana State Police, a book called how to be a Detective.

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Fucking trold Buddy, you got hooked?

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow, dude, this guy is so psychotics.

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:37.120
<v Speaker 1>The gang rob banks in Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois. When

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it was all told, they were hauling close to three

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in today's money.

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Man, I mean maybe supporting the sex work economy of

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty three.

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Single handedly propping it up with their bank calls. With

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that huge score in tow, they packed up and ducked

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>out of sight. They went to a place where everyone

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>brings their ill gotten gains. They went the floor, right, Yeah,

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>So they slept out of sight while the National Guard

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>was mobilizing. Eventually there were shotgun gangs and machine gun

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>squads of National Guard troops setting up checkpoints on the

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>highways across the Midwest. But Dillinger was already out of reach,

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and he adopted a Kouba Knox and he was talking

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>to It'll be like this and it's like, I don't know,

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's what gets Righty couldn't find him, and

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>everybody in Florida found him incredibly sexually attractive.

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, but.

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>They probably did. He found the hiding place in Florida.

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>He and his gang spend their time playing cards, swimming, fishing,

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>drinking and hanging out. But Dyllinger was restless. They relax, Yes,

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>just enjoy your vacation, John, Why do people never did it?

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 3>You made it out?

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Are you a person when you're not trying not

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>to drown in your vacation? Are you a person that that?

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Are you? Do you get angsy? Or are you good

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>with chilling for for a while?

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 3>I need I need those moments.

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like have those vacations or whatever, retreats, whatever,

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>so that I.

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 3>Can be there.

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 3>I love it. I love to just throw my feet up.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>When we were all starting out and there were like

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>periods of like in four like of involuntary resting, I

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>was never good at that. I was. I would hit

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>it every Craigsist, audition, every fucking backstage actors, access, Mandy

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>dot Com. I would find no downtime.

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 2>It can feel like you're just like drowning. But when

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess, I feel.

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. Yeah. So in the end, it was in

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the National Guard who put the climbs on him. No, no,

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>it was the local police in Tucson, Arizona.

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 3>In Arizona, No.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Arizona, Cotumn. As the Dilager gang was planning an escape

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>route to Mexico, some of John's got drunk at a

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>local bar and started bragging, as everybody fucking does. Cops

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>got win of it, and they raided the house where

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the gang was staying and scooped up a lot of

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the weapons and gear the rest of the people inside,

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and they just waited. Dolinger pulled up a few hours later.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>He walked up the steps and right into a police ambush.

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh, just as he was loosening his cravats.

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was pooring himself as first tumbler of brandy.

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Have you people know? Shame? Yeah, that's how they caught him,

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and along with John and most of the gang, the

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>cops grabbed up tons of new clothes in a house.

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.479
<v Speaker 1>It sounds odd for the cops to be thrift shopping

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>from the thieves like that, but whatever.

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's just going to go into evidence anyway,

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 3>they may as well.

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, all these cravats are not going away. We

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>better be sponsored by a fucking cravat company after all

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>this plugging. But what they had actually found was the

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>clothes had been lined with money. That was it. It was

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the secret sash Oh where the gangs get away to Mexico.

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah, that one really shocked hu.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I just I love the visual of that, like putting

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 2>like dollar bills under like a sewing machine and like

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>sewing them into a suit jacket or something.

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>It's so cinematic, isn't it?

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Good idea.

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>That brings us to January twenty fifth, nineteen thirty four.

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>John Dillinger was shipped back to Indiana unlocked in Crown

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Point Jail to await his trial. Tons of armguards marched

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>around the jail for the newspapers to snap pictures of

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>There was no way he was going to escape this time.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>The trial was set for March twelfth, but Dillinger never

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>planned to face the music. Wow, so in his cell,

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>this is crazy, right, So John used the razor to

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>slowly carve out a piece of wood into a fake pistol,

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>then he blackened it with shoe polished and waited for

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>his chance.

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, getting shoe polish on the black market.

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Also like it's all over your fingers now, it's just

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna look cross. But you can never get that stuff off.

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 3>He's so obvious.

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So on the morning of Saturday, March third, he

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>was taking to the jail's exercise room and left to himself.

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Nobody wanted to see him work out. Apparently he made

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>all the craziest sounds.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 4>They don't want to.

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 3>See how the sausage is made.

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>They He called out to one of the jailers who

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>came into the room alone. John stepped up behind him

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and stuck the gun in his back. He marched the

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>man to the cells, locked in the jailer. Then one

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>by one he was able to track down the other

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>guards and locked him up, releasing another inmate along the way.

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 2>It's just everything you've said about how he has just

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of gone in through the front door, or just

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 2>like he killed someone to get the keys or whatever.

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, how is this he finished the crossroad

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>possible to get the keys from the wife. Apparently, and

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>this is the Banana's part of the story. The prisoners

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>were able to lure in two dozen prison officers and

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>lock them up in the cells.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like he has like power, mind control

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>powers or something.

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you want to come here and listen to

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>some jazz and the smoke some Devil's lettuce. You're like, yeah,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll the fucking do that. John took one hostage, the

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>county's deputy sheriff, marched him to the prison locker, then

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>popped it open and pulled out all the guns and gear.

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Then John and the other escapee walked across the street

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to the city's garage. They waved the gun at the

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>mechanic and asked for the fastest car. He pointed them

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to the sheriff's nineteen thirty three Ford v.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.439
<v Speaker 3>Eight hilarious.

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the mechanic remember that, Dillinger laughed when he

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>realized it was the sheriff's car. Yeah. John pointed a

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Tommy gun at the sheriff's deputy and forced him to

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>speed off down the road towards Chicago the Chicago bus.

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Baby grab it on. So more bank robberies followed, with

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>new confederates like his new linkup with maybe the most

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>memorably named gangster of the era, Baby face Nielsen, Wow, adorable. Yeah,

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he was just like so cute. I'm like vicious. Between

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a South Dakota bank and an iol bank, they hit

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that March. Dillinger came away with another two million dollars.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.239
<v Speaker 1>So it was an early birthday present for John. On

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>June twenty second, he turned thirty one, and on that

0:34:58.880 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>day he was.

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Declared accomplished so much so, yeah, overachiever.

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>It was declared America's first ever public enemy number one.

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's how I know him, That's why I

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 3>know there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the government started throwing cash around five thousand

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>for information leading to his arrest or. You could get

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand if you manage to capture him yourself, So

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 1>that's like two hundred thousand in today's money. Is there

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>is there a time in your life where you might

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>have been tempted to go after him?

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 3>What's the point you're gonna die?

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Fuck no, I don't know what would make me

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>chase down a dude. That's obviously I killed so many

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>people and stuck up so many fucking police stations.

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, That's just it's like they kind of

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 2>they need all the help they can get It's just

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 2>a desperate like, we're.

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 3>Gonna get him, or you could get him if you can,

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 3>could you We're.

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Gonna get it, but if you get to it first. Whatever,

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for a little more thirst?

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Give me?

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>This was the point when theaters were playing the news

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 1>before the movies, and as the story goes, when the

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>reels would play in the theater and Dillinger appeared on

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the screen, the audience would cheer. And you know who

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking hated this, the head of the government's Department of Investigation,

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Jay Edgar Hoover's right, Okay, a little bit of true. Yeah,

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 1>they had to rebrand because they got kicked in the

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>ball so hard by Dillinger. Can you believe that's like

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>that the Department of Investigation that like, he completely destroyed

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>them in the pr battle. You know, so after just

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>one year they changed their name from the Department of

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Investigation to the FBI.

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:28.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, rebrand.

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>It kind of makes sense of people at the time

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>were on dillinger side because this is I'm not condoning

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>violence or robbery, of course, yes i am, but this

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>is smack in the middle of the Great Depression. So

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>basically what people know is that banks fucking suck, the

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>government sucks, and their lives were ruined by shipbacks, monkeying

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>around with money beyond their control. Banks weren't loaning anyone

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>money for the things that they needed. You wanted to

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>buy a house, if you wanted to start a business,

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>then fucking tough like you weren't going to get any

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>other money. So Dillinger became kind of their fantasy. The

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 1>bank refused you the money, what if we just walked

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>in and took it.

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 3>He's the revenge fantasy, totally exactly.

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 1>So during the early robberies, one letter to the Indianapolis

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Star said, Yeah, I'm for John Dillinger. She he wasn't

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>even worse than the bankers or the politicians who put

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the poor people's money. She he didn't rob poor people.

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>She he robbed those who became rich by robbing the poor.

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>She thank you, very right. That's a producer, tell you

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you. But really made him robbin hood to the

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>American people with the mortgages, because when his game would

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 1>rob a bank, they wouldn't just take the money, They

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>would also take the mortgage records and the title deeds

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>that the banks held, and Dillinger would torch them. Suddenly

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the banks didn't have the people work they needed to

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>claim ownership over people's houses. It wasn't exactly stealing from

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the rates to give to the poor, but it was

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>pretty fucking close. Oh yeah. Interesting, And the stealing from

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the rich part, he really had down path. That was

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>enough for a lot of people in the Great Depression

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.479
<v Speaker 1>just to fuck up the rich people's day. At this point,

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Dillinger was so popular and his mugshots were everywhere. He

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>realized that he needed to change his look. It was

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>too sexy. Some people said, so, if you're downing jer

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and you got to change up the look, what are

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 1>you going to do? Are you gonna get some killer

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>sideburns or some.

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Mutton chop so blonde?

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>What would you do?

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh me, oh, mun chop sounds.

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Good, right?

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I I really like style reinventions, like to change up

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 2>the exterior.

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know just what color palets I use it.

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm going to try more blue. It's because

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>soundm feeling adventurous. John decided plastic surgery was the way

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to go.

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 2>What fucking posty whatever it was.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 1>You know a lot of advancements from plastic surgery happened

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>because of people mangled in World War One and so

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>to replace faces, and there are so a lot of

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the you know, they did really some sort of crazy

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>shit with with very limited technology at the time. So,

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 1>but but John didn't go the full route. He had

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.320
<v Speaker 1>two moles cut off, he slugged off a scar on

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>his lip, and he pushed his cheeks higher. Okay, he

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>had a dend in his nose filled in, but most importantly,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>he filled the dimple on his chin. What Yeah, it's

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>a little limerick. On top of that, he had his

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 1>fingerprints burned off with acid. Okay. Also, that's the fucking like.

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that you could go that elaborate with

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery at the time.

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought, Hey, oh, do you mean like just everything

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>like filling in dimples and getting like bocle fat trans.

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Particularly the push his cheeks higher. It just seems like

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that feel like that feels like really complicated to do.

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but yeah, that's like breaking your face.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>He mustn't look fucking wild.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, was he in like a face brace? I mean,

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 3>how do you like from all that shit?

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, emotionally, we don't know, but physically three months and

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>This was all for the lolo price of like one

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars in today's money. That wasn't too bad.

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what's like sown in corners?

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Man?

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 1>That is some cotting corner shed. I bet you they

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>gave him like a pig slab on his cheeks. Afterwards,

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 1>he was hanging out at a friend's house, lying low

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>for a month, or actually not exactly lying low. After

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the surgery, John apparently thought he was untouchable, so he

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>spent the month hanging out with his girlfriend all around Chicago.

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>They went to restaurants.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh they're still together even though she turned his ass in.

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I might have been a new one.

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Wait, so he did this facial reconstruction to disguise himself,

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>or just as a vein to disguise himself.

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, that's.

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>What he was, just setting a hook. He was like

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>going to restaurants, amusement sparks. John went gambling, and he

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>went to shows. Can you imagine you're like at a

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>fucking like death cap of a cutie concert? You're like,

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>is that the No, it can't be.

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 3>He looks like a public enemy Number one.

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I love that people be like, no, no, he's got

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a chin dimple. Yeah.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.799
<v Speaker 1>So, in true cinematic fashion, it was a trip to

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the movies that finally got John caught. Orse. So, one night,

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 1>a broth madam who knew John's girlfriend told the cops

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that she was going to join John for a movie

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>at the Biograph Theater. They were watching a gangster flick

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 1>naturally called Manhattan Melodrama Meta. The movie ended just after

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 1>ten o'clock that night, when Dyllinger stepped out of the

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.839
<v Speaker 1>theater with the crowd, some freshly branded FBI agents moved

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>in rand As a crowd on the sidewalks thinned out,

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Dillinger looked around and realized the agents were surrounding him.

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>He bolted for an alleyway, but they didn't chase. They

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>just threw their guns and opened fire. Oh this time,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 1>John couldn't out run the bullets. A killer shot hit

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>him in the back of the head, and he went down.

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>After he died, something like fifteen thousand people came to

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 1>see his body, and the legends about him continued. Of course,

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>that included the story that he wasn't actually killed at

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the theater. Some people said that his body was misidentified

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and that the murdered man was someone else?

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh because of the cheeks.

0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Probably. There's even the idea that dillinger allies actually hoaxed

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the investigators, that his girlfriend set up the cops with

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>someone else, and that the FBI were tricked into gunning

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>down some other man, which left Fyllinger free to disappear.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.399
<v Speaker 1>But the new FBI had no doubt the acid burd

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 1>hadn't worked. Dillinger's trigger finger was unmistakable. The Prince matched

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 1>America's Robin Hood had made his final escape.

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Into the afterlife.

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's our stories.

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 3>You need a what on epic Dad? I mean that

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 3>is that's a better served standing, you know.

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's feeling anti climactic when he was just

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 2>like caught, even though like yeah he should be.

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Also it feels like he's getting caught because he's like

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>keeps going to brothels and I was like, I don't know,

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>He's like this time around, it's gonna be fine. Exactly

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>what are he taken away from the story? What's what was?

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 1>What was something that really jumped out of you? Truly?

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>All the guns, like just that there's such everyone had

0:42:58.680 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>like a stash of conment.

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Everyone but like no.

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Every single person. Yeah, yeah, everyone had a stash of

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Tommy guns.

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 3>The Tommy guns, Like, what the fuck? It's terrifying.

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I took away that like the thirties, this era was terrifying, insane.

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't want to be there. I'm glad let's not.

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Go back there. But we're gonna be there in like

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 1>ten years, just in a different type of thirties. Hey, Snita,

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for being honest. Where can our

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>listeners find you?

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 3>Great question?

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm on the internet and are you in

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>the social meds? I'm on the social meds. I posted

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>about things like upcoming movies and what.

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 1>You see, what we're gonna do movies in piction. Yeah,

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>so find her at Sunita Moni. That's right, that's right.

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 3>The money, yeah, my first last name.

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I got that one.

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Good for you, man, Yeah, thank you so much, thanks

0:43:56.000 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 4>for having me by our Tuto bye.

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