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Speaker 1: This is Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you the wildest

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Speaker 1: true escape stories. Now today we're going to go back

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Speaker 1: to the Great Depression and to the golden age of

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Speaker 1: the Bancheist to tell you a story of a man

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Speaker 1: who may be America's most celebrated outlaw. I'm Martro Castro,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by a fantastic actress, a super kind

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Speaker 1: soul always makes me want to get up and dance.

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Speaker 1: Sunita MANI.

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Speaker 2: Wha.

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Speaker 1: That was a bench of special and everybody, we got

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Speaker 1: a real treat for you today. I'm I'm a big

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Speaker 1: fan of her and I've known her for for a

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Speaker 1: long long time, I guess by this point, so welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Sunita MANI give me ben? Where is

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Speaker 1: my prop pa pal?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? But but I love you. Okay, I guess

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Speaker 1: you just said you ready? I the sound effects, so

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Speaker 1: on that note, What do you consider to be your

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Speaker 1: greatest escape?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about the time that I

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Speaker 2: feel like I escaped the jaws of death.

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Speaker 1: Well, dramatic music will put it on and post It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be so cool.

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Speaker 3: It's the first thing that came to mind. I was

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Speaker 3: on my honeymoon with my now husband in Italy.

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Speaker 2: We were in Sicily, So this is like twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: well before White Lotus.

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Speaker 1: Okay, twenty eighteen. You were there first.

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Speaker 2: We had this like wonderful time, this like lovely week.

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Speaker 2: The whole week we had been doing like really remote stuff,

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Speaker 2: but this was like a populated place. Anyway, We're swimming

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Speaker 2: in the ocean, it's lovely. All of a sudden, we're

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Speaker 2: getting a little far away from the shore and it's

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Speaker 2: like really in the water, Maybe we should go back.

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Speaker 2: Let's just like yeah, I don't know, it feels a

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Speaker 2: little far. So we're trying to go back. We cannot

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Speaker 1: And you feel like you're not making progress.

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Speaker 3: We're not making progress at all. It's a riptide. I

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Speaker 3: guess I'd just never been caught in like a riptide before.

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Speaker 1: Could you feel the current?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I wasn't like feeling like a swirling vortex

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Speaker 3: We just like couldn't swim out of it.

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Speaker 2: And now I know this to anyone who is ever

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Speaker 2: gotten a riptide. You don't swim like directly towards the shore.

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Speaker 2: You swim parallel to the shore now to get out,

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Speaker 2: and it was one of those guttural things of like

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Speaker 2: screaming for help, Oh my god, just like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: And it was like far enough away that the shore

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Speaker 3: Eventually we see these like six men.

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Speaker 2: In speedos run race into the ocean like to come

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Speaker 2: after us. They're like yelling Italian at us.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I know, they're calling us.

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Speaker 3: Idiots, Like what were you thinking? And we're like, I

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Speaker 2: So we're kind of like linked arms with these strangers

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Speaker 3: And then all six of us can't get back to

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Speaker 2: No, well eight of us, me and my husband and

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Speaker 2: these like six men and speedo's.

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Speaker 1: It was just six of us because the two of

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Speaker 3: Now we're all screaming, we're all fucked. And that's when

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Speaker 2: Finally, a lifeguard like comes to throw one of those

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Speaker 2: We finally reached the damn donut and it's connected to

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Speaker 3: They let go of the rope.

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Speaker 1: Why the fuck would they let go of the fucking rope? Man.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And then eventually they like because it's a marina,

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Speaker 1: The visuals of this are amazing. You have to write this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So eventually we like do get on the boats,

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Speaker 2: and that's when I started like really panicking. Actually, it's

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Speaker 3: We finally got back to the shore. It was such relief.

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Speaker 2: But also I was like, Okay, I guess we're like

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Speaker 3: It was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It's like that feeling of like life is so beautiful

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Speaker 2: and fine and lovely and I'm so grateful to be here,

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Speaker 2: and also like wow, the fuck yeah, am paralyzed by

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Speaker 1: Oh much. Well, listen, thank you so much for sharing that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad we you are okay, And to the

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Speaker 1: Banana Ham gentleman of sicily said that, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: are you ready to hear of another escape?

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Speaker 3: I'm so ready.

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Speaker 1: Yes. For today's story, We're headed to the American heartland.

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis and also incidentally, the romance capital of the world. No, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not nobody. Nobody there has ever so not the

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Speaker 1: romance capital of the world Indianapolis. But the year that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about is you're nineteen o three, and that's

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Speaker 1: when a boy named Johnny is born into a family

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Speaker 1: that owned a grocery store. That's it. I know it

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Speaker 1: sounds like random detail, but it's gonna come up again. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So grocery based crime, it's gonna be on the way. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So as he grew up, Johnny was constantly getting into

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Speaker 1: try to punish the rebellion out of Johnny. Now spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: it did not work. So Johnny got up to some mischief.

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Speaker 1: the Dirty Dozen. Did you have a did you have

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Speaker 2: I wasn't like a little neighborhood gang, and none of

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Speaker 2: much of the like the three blocks you know I lived,

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Speaker 2: Backyard with one of them, and yeah, we had our

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. So you didn't come in any crimes

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Speaker 1: with your neighborhood friends. Nothing for I did. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: something were legal in Oh yeah. The worst thing we

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Speaker 1: did was we stole a stop sign.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we wanted to holes like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were like we vandalyized some shit, for sure.

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Speaker 1: So sorry, I want them all on's if you ever

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Speaker 1: come get me. There's no extradition laws. So the crimes

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Speaker 1: of Johnny committed with this Dirty Dozen gang were little

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Speaker 3: All these are such old timy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, so, yeah, we have an ice box here.

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Speaker 3: See yeah, distributing coal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of industrious, isn't it. So most neighbors

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Speaker 1: actually describe Johnny as a cheerful, likable youngster, and they

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, they gave him some slack, got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they caught him some slacks. He dressed as well.

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Speaker 1: He goes his cold fuck it. So that's all it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, simpler times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the romance capital of the world. It

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Speaker 1: could be word just like chilling. So in nineteen twenty,

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Speaker 1: John's dad moved the family out of the city to

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Speaker 1: a small and he was trying to keep John out

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Speaker 3: Somebody to do It's Johnny's way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Johnny, or get out of the way, you know.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to see more of the world. Was there

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Speaker 1: ever any time growing up where you had a real

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Speaker 1: sense of wonder lust? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think there was always like a small town girl

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Speaker 1: You you always had New York at your sights.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was like watching Annie

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Speaker 2: don't know, just like wanting to be Annie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were Annie. It was also mat of fact.

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Speaker 1: So once when John was driving to the city to

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Speaker 3: Okay, got it, that's like clueless, right.

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Speaker 1: Huh, it's kind of clueless.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where like Alicia Silverstone's character.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is, Paul's character. I take it all back.

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Speaker 1: It's not weird, it's CLUELESSI victorian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also it's his uncle step daughter, so it's even

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Speaker 1: twice removed. Fair game, buddy. So the thing was, John

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Speaker 1: so he ran through the Yep, he ran from this

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Speaker 1: situation was generally a messive. So John decided that his

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Speaker 1: best way out was to skip town completely. So he

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Speaker 1: did the logical thing what you do at a time,

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Speaker 1: and he joined the navy.

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Speaker 3: Hop on a train.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is like playing out like a Charlie Chaplin

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Speaker 2: film or something exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: So he started. He learned how to tap dance and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh peep you and just like a little kyri and

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Speaker 1: that says peep you. So John served on this ship

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Speaker 1: for only a few months. He thought that his dad

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Speaker 1: Navy placed a bounty on his head fifty dollars for

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Speaker 1: the runaway fireman.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fifty dollars must have been a lot.

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Speaker 1: Asked questions, I really like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: That's what lost the Industrial Revolution children, you know. So

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Speaker 3: Well, it's making up for all the bad shit he did.

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Speaker 1: So for ten years John stewed in prison rubbing his

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Speaker 1: So like him, they weren't suited for the discipline of

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Speaker 1: They were burglars, bootleggers and train robbers, and John Dillinger

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Speaker 3: I have heard of him, but I'm like forgetting history.

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Speaker 1: I got you you, thank you. One defining trait of

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Speaker 1: I want one?

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Speaker 1: That's one historian was very careful to note. John came

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Speaker 3: In history. That is history.

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Speaker 2: It's hilarious commercial, right, but like for prison, yeah, prison exactly.

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Speaker 1: Give me a light at music. All right, we haven't

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Speaker 1: rehearsed this. Here we go. Hi, Are you a loner

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Speaker 1: you smarter, driver, more muscular, president, become instructed for women

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Speaker 1: by Dapperanswool, private and characteries jealousy who I'm bad for

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Speaker 1: our first try of that. That's great. But John stepped

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Speaker 1: out of prison into hard times, right. The banks had

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Speaker 1: you're looking good. So this is no problem for John though,

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Speaker 3: He is a liar.

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Speaker 1: He's a fucking liar. Second, big a second. Second thing

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Speaker 1: Uh, this was the beginning of what one historian calls

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Speaker 1: John Dillinger's wild Ride, one of the most buck wild

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Speaker 1: I guess they just get nervous depositing all this money.

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Speaker 1: How hot it was, yeah, exactly. So eventually John forced

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Speaker 3: That's that's a lot, I mean, it was.

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Speaker 2: It's like waiting for like the review of your performance

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're like you're yeah, you're waiting for the

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Speaker 2: Expected entry quite an expected premise of going through the

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Speaker 1: Isn't that really fucking thing once that, once you're a

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Speaker 1: I'm like one hundred percent in there. Do you skip

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Speaker 2: I have like a wind where I'm like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: Well, funny enough, you mentioned it, because we have the

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Speaker 1: review of each one of your shows. Come on, guys,

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Speaker 1: okay sung by the Vienna Boys Choir, Come on now.

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Speaker 3: Not as good as her Coastal.

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Speaker 1: So after the newspapers were really kissing his ass, the

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Speaker 4: No, no, this guy's a psychopath, right, No, he was

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Speaker 4: apparently very calm, yes, psychopath and gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it was very calm and just god, just like

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Speaker 1: it was just he was just bulging out of his fans.

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Speaker 1: He was polite through the entire thing, is what they said. Okay,

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Speaker 1: The very same day, the very same fucking day, when

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Speaker 1: started to gain real fame as the bold, polite, absolutely

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Speaker 3: The cops, I mean, people just want them to keep going. Really,

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Speaker 1: The second they're like putting out ads on the newspaper

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Speaker 2: You know, and my money is shiny, don't take it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is the door, kno close proper,

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Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? So the next few scores

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Speaker 1: In July, he hit that commercial bank in Daleville, Indiana

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Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think he's doing with this money?

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Speaker 1: Buying amazing clothes? I don't know what you're doing?

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Speaker 1: Right then they were back in Indianapolis for their biggest

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Speaker 1: they had a routine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. By now, everybody's like, nobody's like ramping up

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was two men went into the bank while get

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Speaker 1: He and his accomplice would walk right back out of

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Speaker 1: the front, hopping the car and drive off. They were

440
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: super fast, and the whole thing was over in minutes.

441
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: It was happening a broad daylight.

442
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,479
Speaker 1: Of course, they were gone before help could arrive. Did

443
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: you know rob a bag? What's going to be this easy?

444
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: No, it's almost like I want to try it.

445
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like what are you doing this weekend?

446
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: All right? So John knew how to thank his friends

447
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: for robbery lessons. He started sending pistols into their prison. Seriously.

448
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes he even just walked up to the jail and

449
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: threw the guns over the walls.

450
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: Okay, he would also pack them, and that's in the

451
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: history books.

452
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: That's in the history books. He did not give Yeah

453
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: he is if I don't give a fuck was a person.

454
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: It's this motherfucker.

455
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: Seriously.

456
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: But he would also pack them in boxes of spoons

457
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: and send them into the prison workshops. And how did

458
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: they use their guns? Humorous? Dillinger's criminal cronies were now packing.

459
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: They all teamed up. They rushed the guards. They moved

460
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: through the halls and captured the superintendent with their hostage

461
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: in hand, they made their way outside to steal a

462
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: couple of cars. But now bullets were flying, blood is spilled,

463
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: the cars peeled away, and the boys were out of there.

464
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: The boys would taunt John Dillinger everything he knew. We're

465
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: now on the loose. But now, ironically, it was just like,

466
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: that's an impossible voice to keep for longer than that.

467
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: But isn't that wild? Yes, ironically, it was just after

468
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: his friend's escaped that Dillinger finally got caught. After five

469
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: bank robberies and god knows how many four grocery stores,

470
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: the cops had finally paid enough bribes to snitches and

471
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: sex workers to find out where John's girlfriend lived. Oh,

472
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: and now we know what he was using the money for.

473
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: And they staked out her boarding house in Chicago, which

474
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, why don't you just buy her own apartment

475
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: with all this money? So one night, when Dillinger dropped by,

476
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: the cops swooped in, and just like that, the dashing

477
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: bank robber was arrested.

478
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: Wow at his girlfriend's house.

479
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like he was already fully clothed

480
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: and expecting him. No, I don't know. Yeah, And there

481
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: was cravats everywhere. It seems almost too easy, right, it does.

482
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: But at the same time, he just like kept coming

483
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: back to where he came from too.

484
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: Like he was like he got cocky. But yeah, while

485
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: John waited trial, the paper started printing that the jack

486
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: rabbit that jumped over a bank counters was finally caught.

487
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: But John was only in jail for a month. As

488
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: soon as John was in his whole gang's mission became

489
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: getting him out.

490
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

491
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: So Dyllinger was being held at the Allen County Jail

492
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: in Lima, Ohio. The cops had sent him there because

493
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: they were worried that he knew how to get out

494
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: of state prisons in Indiana. Sure, yeah, he had the

495
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: maps of prisons and he also helped his boys get

496
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: away already, but they moved him only once stayed over

497
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: Like it was just like a couple of miles out right.

498
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: So the breakout completely unknown territory.

499
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, of Ohio, where he's also already hit banks. So

500
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: the breakout actually happened on October twelfth, nineteen thirty three.

501
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Six men gathered at the courthouse. Three men stayed outside

502
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: and three went in inside. They found the sheriff sitting

503
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: at his desk reading the newspaper while his wife sat

504
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: nearby working on a crossword. Okay, what a detail to

505
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: keep in the history books.

506
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: It really is like scenes from a Chaplain movie or

507
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: something like every little detail that that feels.

508
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: Like it gets better. The deputy was sleeping on the

509
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: office couch.

510
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: That's all we were missing.

511
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: And the men told the sheriff that they were officers

512
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: who needed to question Dollinger Lowel. When he asked to

513
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: see their credentials, they pulled out their pistols. The lead

514
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: man said, here are credentials, buddy, Hey, here's our credentials. See,

515
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: and they gunned down the sheriff where he sat. After

516
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: he was shot, they beat the sheriff until his wife

517
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: broke down and gave them the keys. Oh, so do

518
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: you think that like getting shot is enough to like

519
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: give over the keys.

520
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: From Yeah, And it is shocking that there's just like

521
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: no protection of the like at all from this thing happening.

522
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: And now how does the wife have the keys? Man?

523
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: They grabbed her and they dragged her to the cell

524
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: along with the drowsy deputy. So they put her in

525
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: when they pulled Billager out, So the gang ran outside

526
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: and they piled into two waiting cars and they hit

527
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: the road. Wow. Two days later, this is so wild,

528
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: they hit a police station at a little town north

529
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: of Fort Wayne, Indiana. They swarmed inside with guns drawn,

530
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: locked up the cops, and scooped up their arsenal, two

531
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: automatic rifles, a Thompson's submachine gun, three bulletproof vests in

532
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: all the ammo they could hire. Can you believe? You believe?

533
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: And that was only their first off. You would think

534
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: that maybe the police stations might be on alert point

535
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, and apparently not in Peru, Indiana.

536
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: No, everyone is so indefensible. It's like it's so wild,

537
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: there are no consequences.

538
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, done, get out of here.

539
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: Okay. So a week later they hit the police station

540
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: in Peru, Indiana, and they locked up all the cops

541
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: in the basement. They collected their weapons with two more

542
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: Tommy guns, a couple of shotguns, more body armor, and

543
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: so many rifles and pistols that it's really not even

544
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: worth listening. Wow, leaving bodies in his wake. Now, Dyllinger

545
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: was free, unarmed to the teeth. So his gang got

546
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: immediately back on their horse, hitting banks across the Midwest. Wow,

547
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: at one bank this is also fucking crazy. Where the

548
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: cops actually caught up with him. Dillinger marched right out

549
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: the front door with a human shield. The man jumped

550
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: out of the way and the police opened fire, but

551
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: Dillinger was armored up right. Witness it said, the bulls

552
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: just splashed off his chest, as if the newspaper people

553
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: needed more reason to be thirsty for this guy.

554
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: Right exactly. He is invincible.

555
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: It was like a Superman before a Superman sort of thing.

556
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, he's made of steel. So

557
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: the cop was shot eight times and Dillinger's accomplice was

558
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: also hit, but the robbers still managed to make a

559
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: getaway despite the rain of bullets slamming into their car.

560
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: So much gun like battle, it's wild, so.

561
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Much cup play, you guys. Yeah. As the news came

562
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: in a bank after bank getting turned over by Dillinger's

563
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: high powered gang, the National Guards started talking about sending

564
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: in tanks, planes and he loads of poison gas to

565
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Indiana to try to stop him. One got their fu

566
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: plan was like where they gonna go to like gas

567
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: the whole state. Right, We're gonna We're gonna kill a

568
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: bunch of people, but we're definitely maybe gonna get into.

569
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: One of them is probably gonna be John Delager.

570
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: They could have stopped Dillinger, you know. At one point

571
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: he even mealed a little present to the chief of

572
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Indiana State Police, a book called how to be a Detective.

573
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: Fucking trold Buddy, you got hooked?

574
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: Wow, dude, this guy is so psychotics.

575
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: The gang rob banks in Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois. When

576
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: it was all told, they were hauling close to three

577
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: million dollars in today's money.

578
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: Man, I mean maybe supporting the sex work economy of

579
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three.

580
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Single handedly propping it up with their bank calls. With

581
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: that huge score in tow, they packed up and ducked

582
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: out of sight. They went to a place where everyone

583
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: brings their ill gotten gains. They went the floor, right, Yeah,

584
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: So they slept out of sight while the National Guard

585
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: was mobilizing. Eventually there were shotgun gangs and machine gun

586
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: squads of National Guard troops setting up checkpoints on the

587
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: highways across the Midwest. But Dillinger was already out of reach,

588
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: and he adopted a Kouba Knox and he was talking

589
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: to It'll be like this and it's like, I don't know,

590
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's what gets Righty couldn't find him, and

591
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: everybody in Florida found him incredibly sexually attractive.

592
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god, but.

593
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: They probably did. He found the hiding place in Florida.

594
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: He and his gang spend their time playing cards, swimming, fishing,

595
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: drinking and hanging out. But Dyllinger was restless. They relax, Yes,

596
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: just enjoy your vacation, John, Why do people never did it?

597
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: You made it out?

598
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you a person when you're not trying not

599
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: to drown in your vacation? Are you a person that that?

600
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: Are you? Do you get angsy? Or are you good

601
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: with chilling for for a while?

602
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: I need I need those moments.

603
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I like have those vacations or whatever, retreats, whatever,

604
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: so that I.

605
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: Can be there.

606
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

607
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: I love it. I love to just throw my feet up.

608
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: When we were all starting out and there were like

609
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: periods of like in four like of involuntary resting, I

610
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: was never good at that. I was. I would hit

611
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: it every Craigsist, audition, every fucking backstage actors, access, Mandy

612
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: dot Com. I would find no downtime.

613
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: It can feel like you're just like drowning. But when

614
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: I guess, I feel.

615
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Yeah. So in the end, it was in

616
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: the National Guard who put the climbs on him. No, no,

617
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: it was the local police in Tucson, Arizona.

618
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: In Arizona, No.

619
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: Arizona, Cotumn. As the Dilager gang was planning an escape

620
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: route to Mexico, some of John's got drunk at a

621
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: local bar and started bragging, as everybody fucking does. Cops

622
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: got win of it, and they raided the house where

623
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: the gang was staying and scooped up a lot of

624
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: the weapons and gear the rest of the people inside,

625
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and they just waited. Dolinger pulled up a few hours later.

626
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: He walked up the steps and right into a police ambush.

627
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: Oh, just as he was loosening his cravats.

628
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was pooring himself as first tumbler of brandy.

629
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: Have you people know? Shame? Yeah, that's how they caught him,

630
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: and along with John and most of the gang, the

631
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: cops grabbed up tons of new clothes in a house.

632
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: It sounds odd for the cops to be thrift shopping

633
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: from the thieves like that, but whatever.

634
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: It's like, it's just going to go into evidence anyway,

635
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: they may as well.

636
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: Just yeah, all these cravats are not going away. We

637
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: better be sponsored by a fucking cravat company after all

638
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: this plugging. But what they had actually found was the

639
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: clothes had been lined with money. That was it. It was

640
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: the secret sash Oh where the gangs get away to Mexico.

641
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, that one really shocked hu.

642
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: I just I love the visual of that, like putting

643
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: like dollar bills under like a sewing machine and like

644
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: sewing them into a suit jacket or something.

645
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: It's so cinematic, isn't it?

646
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: Good idea.

647
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: That brings us to January twenty fifth, nineteen thirty four.

648
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: John Dillinger was shipped back to Indiana unlocked in Crown

649
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Point Jail to await his trial. Tons of armguards marched

650
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: around the jail for the newspapers to snap pictures of

651
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: There was no way he was going to escape this time.

652
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: The trial was set for March twelfth, but Dillinger never

653
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: planned to face the music. Wow, so in his cell,

654
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: this is crazy, right, So John used the razor to

655
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: slowly carve out a piece of wood into a fake pistol,

656
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: then he blackened it with shoe polished and waited for

657
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: his chance.

658
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: Oh god, getting shoe polish on the black market.

659
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: Also like it's all over your fingers now, it's just

660
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: gonna look cross. But you can never get that stuff off.

661
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: He's so obvious.

662
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So on the morning of Saturday, March third, he

663
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: was taking to the jail's exercise room and left to himself.

664
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to see him work out. Apparently he made

665
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: all the craziest sounds.

666
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: They don't want to.

667
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: See how the sausage is made.

668
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: They He called out to one of the jailers who

669
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: came into the room alone. John stepped up behind him

670
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: and stuck the gun in his back. He marched the

671
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: man to the cells, locked in the jailer. Then one

672
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: by one he was able to track down the other

673
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: guards and locked him up, releasing another inmate along the way.

674
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: It's just everything you've said about how he has just

675
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: sort of gone in through the front door, or just

676
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: like he killed someone to get the keys or whatever.

677
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: It's just like, how is this he finished the crossroad

678
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: possible to get the keys from the wife. Apparently, and

679
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: this is the Banana's part of the story. The prisoners

680
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: were able to lure in two dozen prison officers and

681
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: lock them up in the cells.

682
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like he has like power, mind control

683
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: powers or something.

684
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you want to come here and listen to

685
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: some jazz and the smoke some Devil's lettuce. You're like, yeah,

686
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: I'll the fucking do that. John took one hostage, the

687
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: county's deputy sheriff, marched him to the prison locker, then

688
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: popped it open and pulled out all the guns and gear.

689
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Then John and the other escapee walked across the street

690
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: to the city's garage. They waved the gun at the

691
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: mechanic and asked for the fastest car. He pointed them

692
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: to the sheriff's nineteen thirty three Ford v.

693
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 3: Eight hilarious.

694
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the mechanic remember that, Dillinger laughed when he

695
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: realized it was the sheriff's car. Yeah. John pointed a

696
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: Tommy gun at the sheriff's deputy and forced him to

697
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: speed off down the road towards Chicago the Chicago bus.

698
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: Baby grab it on. So more bank robberies followed, with

699
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: new confederates like his new linkup with maybe the most

700
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: memorably named gangster of the era, Baby face Nielsen, Wow, adorable. Yeah,

701
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: he was just like so cute. I'm like vicious. Between

702
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: a South Dakota bank and an iol bank, they hit

703
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: that March. Dillinger came away with another two million dollars.

704
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: So it was an early birthday present for John. On

705
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: June twenty second, he turned thirty one, and on that

706
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: day he was.

707
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: Declared accomplished so much so, yeah, overachiever.

708
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: It was declared America's first ever public enemy number one.

709
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: That's right, that's how I know him, That's why I

710
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: know there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

711
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the government started throwing cash around five thousand

712
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: for information leading to his arrest or. You could get

713
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand if you manage to capture him yourself, So

714
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: that's like two hundred thousand in today's money. Is there

715
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: is there a time in your life where you might

716
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: have been tempted to go after him?

717
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: What's the point you're gonna die?

718
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck no, I don't know what would make me

719
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: chase down a dude. That's obviously I killed so many

720
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: people and stuck up so many fucking police stations.

721
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: I know, right, That's just it's like they kind of

722
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: they need all the help they can get It's just

723
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: a desperate like, we're.

724
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 3: Gonna get him, or you could get him if you can,

725
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 3: could you We're.

726
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: Gonna get it, but if you get to it first. Whatever,

727
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: Are you ready for a little more thirst?

728
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: Give me?

729
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: This was the point when theaters were playing the news

730
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: before the movies, and as the story goes, when the

731
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: reels would play in the theater and Dillinger appeared on

732
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: the screen, the audience would cheer. And you know who

733
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: fucking hated this, the head of the government's Department of Investigation,

734
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Jay Edgar Hoover's right, Okay, a little bit of true. Yeah,

735
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: they had to rebrand because they got kicked in the

736
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: ball so hard by Dillinger. Can you believe that's like

737
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: that the Department of Investigation that like, he completely destroyed

738
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: them in the pr battle. You know, so after just

739
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: one year they changed their name from the Department of

740
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: Investigation to the FBI.

741
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, rebrand.

742
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: It kind of makes sense of people at the time

743
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: were on dillinger side because this is I'm not condoning

744
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: violence or robbery, of course, yes i am, but this

745
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: is smack in the middle of the Great Depression. So

746
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: basically what people know is that banks fucking suck, the

747
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: government sucks, and their lives were ruined by shipbacks, monkeying

748
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: around with money beyond their control. Banks weren't loaning anyone

749
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: money for the things that they needed. You wanted to

750
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: buy a house, if you wanted to start a business,

751
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: then fucking tough like you weren't going to get any

752
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: other money. So Dillinger became kind of their fantasy. The

753
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: bank refused you the money, what if we just walked

754
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: in and took it.

755
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: He's the revenge fantasy, totally exactly.

756
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: So during the early robberies, one letter to the Indianapolis

757
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: Star said, Yeah, I'm for John Dillinger. She he wasn't

758
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: even worse than the bankers or the politicians who put

759
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: the poor people's money. She he didn't rob poor people.

760
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: She he robbed those who became rich by robbing the poor.

761
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: She thank you, very right. That's a producer, tell you

762
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: thank you. But really made him robbin hood to the

763
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: American people with the mortgages, because when his game would

764
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: rob a bank, they wouldn't just take the money, They

765
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: would also take the mortgage records and the title deeds

766
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: that the banks held, and Dillinger would torch them. Suddenly

767
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: the banks didn't have the people work they needed to

768
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: claim ownership over people's houses. It wasn't exactly stealing from

769
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: the rates to give to the poor, but it was

770
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: pretty fucking close. Oh yeah. Interesting, And the stealing from

771
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: the rich part, he really had down path. That was

772
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: enough for a lot of people in the Great Depression

773
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 1: just to fuck up the rich people's day. At this point,

774
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: Dillinger was so popular and his mugshots were everywhere. He

775
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: realized that he needed to change his look. It was

776
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: too sexy. Some people said, so, if you're downing jer

777
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: and you got to change up the look, what are

778
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: you going to do? Are you gonna get some killer

779
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: sideburns or some.

780
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: Mutton chop so blonde?

781
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: What would you do?

782
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: Oh me, oh, mun chop sounds.

783
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: Good, right?

784
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: I I really like style reinventions, like to change up

785
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: the exterior.

786
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't know just what color palets I use it.

787
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to try more blue. It's because

788
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: soundm feeling adventurous. John decided plastic surgery was the way

789
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: to go.

790
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: What fucking posty whatever it was.

791
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: You know a lot of advancements from plastic surgery happened

792
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: because of people mangled in World War One and so

793
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: to replace faces, and there are so a lot of

794
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: the you know, they did really some sort of crazy

795
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: shit with with very limited technology at the time. So,

796
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: but but John didn't go the full route. He had

797
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: two moles cut off, he slugged off a scar on

798
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: his lip, and he pushed his cheeks higher. Okay, he

799
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: had a dend in his nose filled in, but most importantly,

800
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: he filled the dimple on his chin. What Yeah, it's

801
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: a little limerick. On top of that, he had his

802
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: fingerprints burned off with acid. Okay. Also, that's the fucking like.

803
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you could go that elaborate with

804
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: plastic surgery at the time.

805
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: I thought, Hey, oh, do you mean like just everything

806
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: like filling in dimples and getting like bocle fat trans.

807
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: Particularly the push his cheeks higher. It just seems like

808
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: that feel like that feels like really complicated to do.

809
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, that's like breaking your face.

810
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: He mustn't look fucking wild.

811
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, was he in like a face brace? I mean,

812
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: how do you like from all that shit?

813
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: Well, emotionally, we don't know, but physically three months and

814
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: This was all for the lolo price of like one

815
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in today's money. That wasn't too bad.

816
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's like sown in corners?

817
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: Man?

818
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: That is some cotting corner shed. I bet you they

819
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: gave him like a pig slab on his cheeks. Afterwards,

820
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: he was hanging out at a friend's house, lying low

821
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: for a month, or actually not exactly lying low. After

822
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: the surgery, John apparently thought he was untouchable, so he

823
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: spent the month hanging out with his girlfriend all around Chicago.

824
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: They went to restaurants.

825
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Oh they're still together even though she turned his ass in.

826
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: I might have been a new one.

827
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: Wait, so he did this facial reconstruction to disguise himself,

828
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: or just as a vein to disguise himself.

829
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, that's.

830
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: What he was, just setting a hook. He was like

831
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: going to restaurants, amusement sparks. John went gambling, and he

832
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: went to shows. Can you imagine you're like at a

833
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: fucking like death cap of a cutie concert? You're like,

834
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: is that the No, it can't be.

835
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: He looks like a public enemy Number one.

836
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: I love that people be like, no, no, he's got

837
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: a chin dimple. Yeah.

838
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: Right.

839
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: So, in true cinematic fashion, it was a trip to

840
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: the movies that finally got John caught. Orse. So, one night,

841
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: a broth madam who knew John's girlfriend told the cops

842
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: that she was going to join John for a movie

843
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: at the Biograph Theater. They were watching a gangster flick

844
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: naturally called Manhattan Melodrama Meta. The movie ended just after

845
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: ten o'clock that night, when Dyllinger stepped out of the

846
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: theater with the crowd, some freshly branded FBI agents moved

847
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: in rand As a crowd on the sidewalks thinned out,

848
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: Dillinger looked around and realized the agents were surrounding him.

849
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: He bolted for an alleyway, but they didn't chase. They

850
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: just threw their guns and opened fire. Oh this time,

851
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: John couldn't out run the bullets. A killer shot hit

852
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: him in the back of the head, and he went down.

853
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: After he died, something like fifteen thousand people came to

854
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: see his body, and the legends about him continued. Of course,

855
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: that included the story that he wasn't actually killed at

856
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: the theater. Some people said that his body was misidentified

857
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: and that the murdered man was someone else?

858
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: Oh because of the cheeks.

859
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

860
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: Probably. There's even the idea that dillinger allies actually hoaxed

861
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the investigators, that his girlfriend set up the cops with

862
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: someone else, and that the FBI were tricked into gunning

863
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: down some other man, which left Fyllinger free to disappear.

864
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: But the new FBI had no doubt the acid burd

865
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: hadn't worked. Dillinger's trigger finger was unmistakable. The Prince matched

866
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: America's Robin Hood had made his final escape.

867
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: Into the afterlife.

868
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our stories.

869
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: You need a what on epic Dad? I mean that

870
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: is that's a better served standing, you know.

871
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's feeling anti climactic when he was just

872
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: like caught, even though like yeah he should be.

873
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: Also it feels like he's getting caught because he's like

874
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Speaker 1: keeps going to brothels and I was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: He's like this time around, it's gonna be fine. Exactly

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Speaker 1: what are he taken away from the story? What's what was?

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Speaker 1: What was something that really jumped out of you? Truly?

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Speaker 2: All the guns, like just that there's such everyone had

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Speaker 2: like a stash of conment.

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Speaker 3: Everyone but like no.

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Speaker 1: Every single person. Yeah, yeah, everyone had a stash of

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Speaker 1: Tommy guns.

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Speaker 3: The Tommy guns, Like, what the fuck? It's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: I took away that like the thirties, this era was terrifying, insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be there. I'm glad let's not.

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Speaker 1: Go back there. But we're gonna be there in like

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Speaker 1: ten years, just in a different type of thirties. Hey, Snita,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being honest. Where can our

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Speaker 1: listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: Great question?

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm on the internet and are you in

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Speaker 2: the social meds? I'm on the social meds. I posted

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Speaker 2: about things like upcoming movies and what.

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Speaker 1: You see, what we're gonna do movies in piction. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so find her at Sunita Moni. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: The money, yeah, my first last name.

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Speaker 1: I got that one.

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Speaker 4: Good for you, man, Yeah, thank you so much, thanks

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Speaker 4: for having me by our Tuto bye.

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