Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to and that's what you're in the mist podcast.
Speaker 1: It's the publicity episode. Today we have Tracy Raftery, the
Speaker 1: head of publicity for Glee. Her first live action scripted show,
Speaker 1: Out the Gate, which is a very big undertaking for her.
Speaker 1: And I came to one and she also was like
Speaker 1: not much older than the time she.
Speaker 2: Started, and she had been working on animated shows before.
Speaker 1: She gave up this air of like knowing what she did,
Speaker 1: so I just assumed she'd been around for a while.
Speaker 2: Yes, we all trusted her blindly, and I think that
Speaker 2: was the right thing to do because she took care
Speaker 2: of us. Yeah, she's She is just the kindest person.
Speaker 2: She worked so hard and I can't wait for you
Speaker 2: to hear all the things she did for the show.
Speaker 2: This is Tracy. Oh my god, Hiray you ageless, wonder what.
Speaker 1: The hell like?
Speaker 3: Benjamin Button, Oh my god, you guys to see you.
Speaker 4: I'm good to see you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Suy you guys.
Speaker 2: We cry all the time.
Speaker 4: No, I know this, this podcast must be so like cathartic.
Speaker 4: It is asking me to come on, I'm like thinking
Speaker 4: about that time again, just like going through all those
Speaker 4: memories and it's just like very therapeutic.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, buckle up. Well, we're so happy
Speaker 3: that I mean, honestly, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 2: Seriously, so like I don't think people understand and we'll
Speaker 2: get we'll get there, but like we spent so much
Speaker 2: time with you over the course of that show. It
Speaker 2: really does take an army of people to like make
Speaker 2: something successful, to make everybody happy, to get it all
Speaker 2: done in all the different departments. Can you tell people
Speaker 2: what you did on Glee?
Speaker 4: Yes, So I was the network publicist, and I'll explain
Speaker 4: a little bit about the different types of publicists that
Speaker 4: work on the show. But for me, as a network publicist,
Speaker 4: you're sort of the middle person, the conduit from media
Speaker 4: to the show, from talent to executive producers and the network.
Speaker 4: So you're just either pitching stories and features or you're
Speaker 4: receiving request from reporters, and you know, it runs the
Speaker 4: gamut of everything from a talk show booking to a
Speaker 4: profile in the New York Times to a radio interview
Speaker 4: or online. So it was really a lot of different
Speaker 4: things and how the different publicists work within the show.
Speaker 4: Is like you guys had personal publicists, so you guys
Speaker 4: would hire someone that kind of oversaw your career and
Speaker 4: your goals and things like that. And then there was
Speaker 4: the network publicist, the studio publicist who was Chris Alexander,
Speaker 4: who was amazing and he was my counterpart on the show.
Speaker 4: And studio publicists really oversee sort of the business of
Speaker 4: the show, licensing and merchandising and a lot of other
Speaker 4: things outside of just airing on the network. And then
Speaker 4: there was Pam Jackson, who I definitely wanted to talk
Speaker 4: about because I love so much and I know you
Speaker 4: guys loved so much, and she oversaw international pr, so
Speaker 4: any international press went through her. And then there was
Speaker 4: the record label and they would help us with all
Speaker 4: the music, music drops and exclusives and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So it was a it was a it was definitely
Speaker 4: a big role at the time. It was my first
Speaker 4: big show. I was my first day at Fox was
Speaker 4: the premiere of The Simple Life with Nicole Richie and
Speaker 4: Paris Hilton. And you know, my bosses like were great there.
Speaker 4: Shannon Ryan was my boss at the time, and she
Speaker 4: gave me a bunch of great shows that she had
Speaker 4: worked on, and it was like the days of Arrested
Speaker 4: Development and twenty four and you know, it was this
Speaker 4: really interesting time. There were only four major networks at
Speaker 4: that time, you know, and it was like the good
Speaker 4: old days. And if I could explain further, just the
Speaker 4: media landscape at that time, it was just, you know,
Speaker 4: so different than it is now. And I don't think
Speaker 4: you realized it unless you were like going through it.
Speaker 4: But so, yeah, so that's sort of it in a nutshell.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That was a really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very good.
Speaker 4: No good.
Speaker 1: So when you when you got when you heard about
Speaker 1: Glee for the first time, when they brought you Glee,
Speaker 1: they're like, there's this new show. Read the pilot, Like
Speaker 1: what did they preface it with any kind of like
Speaker 1: this is going to be big? Like did they give
Speaker 1: you any kind of inkling as to what this show
Speaker 1: was going to be?
Speaker 4: No? But what was weird about the show is that
Speaker 4: I don't think this was very common back then that
Speaker 4: a show would get picked up for thirteen episodes right
Speaker 4: off the bat. So it was really because of Ryan
Speaker 4: Murphy and just like I was a huge Niptock fan,
Speaker 4: like everyone at Fox loved him and that show, and
Speaker 4: he got picked up for thirteen. And so typically the
Speaker 4: network would buy a pilot and then then they'd have
Speaker 4: it come in and they'd look at it and they decide, Okay,
Speaker 4: we want this to go to series, and that's when
Speaker 4: pr will get brought in after it was already going
Speaker 4: to series. So we typically didn't even cover a pilot
Speaker 4: of a show. So yeah, so I got brought in
Speaker 4: on the pilot on this one, and they were like,
Speaker 4: this is going to series, so we should cover the
Speaker 4: first episode, and we of course were like we have
Speaker 4: to cover. Don't stop believing, like that's you know, that's
Speaker 4: the scene, that's the moment, you know. And I think
Speaker 4: there was a sentiment that this was something different, but
Speaker 4: I don't think I don't think it was fully realized
Speaker 4: until the first season, like September of the first season.
Speaker 4: I think those early days, it was a small group
Speaker 4: of us at the network that we're getting scripts and
Speaker 4: that were kind of like this is amazing, Like we're
Speaker 4: on set, We're seeing what's happening. You know, this is
Speaker 4: like special. You know, these these performances are gonna like
Speaker 4: kill it and people are gonna love it and and
Speaker 4: so yeah, I don't. I don't know. And it's funny because,
Speaker 4: like I was, I had only had Family Guy and
Speaker 4: American Dad as the shows I was working on at
Speaker 4: the time, and this was like my first scripted show.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I was just kind of junior.
Speaker 4: I was only twenty nine when I got the show,
Speaker 4: and it only i'd only been there probably.
Speaker 1: Like a peer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, I.
Speaker 4: Was only a few years. Different thing, or is it?
Speaker 4: You know Corey and I in age, you know, So
Speaker 4: I was like young and and I had been working
Speaker 4: on animation, but animation was a totally different beast, Like
Speaker 4: it was like table reads and a year in advance,
Speaker 4: and you know, it was a different world. And so
Speaker 4: I got brought on on Glee, and I'm surprised at
Speaker 4: some point they weren't like, let's bring in someone senior,
Speaker 4: like to help her with this. But like I think,
Speaker 4: I just you know, became like embedded with you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 4: working on like going on the Glee tour and the
Speaker 4: Mall tour and stuff like that. So so I think
Speaker 4: that sort of like you know, changed it. And then
Speaker 4: you know, season one it was it was just a
Speaker 4: crazy rollerbuster.
Speaker 1: Start with the Hot Topic tour that we did because
Speaker 1: because let me just clarify, at that point the pilot
Speaker 1: had aired, the rest of it had, the thirteen had not,
Speaker 1: and we had we didn't have any personal publicises at
Speaker 1: that point yet, like most of us had not brought
Speaker 1: on personal publicists yet. We didn't know where we were
Speaker 1: going to be headed, Like we really didn't know what
Speaker 1: was in what was ahead yea. So it was really
Speaker 1: you and Marissa that were really our people. And this
Speaker 1: first like big press tour was like a couple of
Speaker 1: cities we did. It was it's called a mall.
Speaker 2: Tour top days in twelve days. I remember for the
Speaker 2: details because I felt like we were going on tour
Speaker 2: and only one episode had aired, and we're like, what is.
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody's going to show up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so okay. So the concept behind like airing
Speaker 4: after American Idol was like this idea of like, we
Speaker 4: have this huge musical show. We want this to be
Speaker 4: the springboard to a marketing campaign. So they aired you
Speaker 4: Guys in May after Idol, and the plan was to
Speaker 4: like booy that with press and with Mark throughout the
Speaker 4: summer and then bringing back in the fall, and they
Speaker 4: were like, you know, at Fox they had nine oh
Speaker 4: two one. Oho was like their big teen show that
Speaker 4: they had had that finished about ten years before ours,
Speaker 4: and I think it had sent them on a mal
Speaker 4: tour and they were like, let's send the kids on
Speaker 4: a maltwur and I was like, oh my gosh, okay.
Speaker 4: So we so we get hot topic as a partner,
Speaker 4: and we do like ten like you said, ten cities
Speaker 4: in like twelve days. We started in Boston and we
Speaker 4: ended up in la And I will tell you, guys,
Speaker 4: you had only aired one episode. The fear inside of
Speaker 4: me that that first city was going to have no people,
Speaker 4: like I remember driving up to that first bo mall
Speaker 4: thinking like oh god, please, like please, like I don't
Speaker 4: want to be embarrassed with this, Like I hope there's
Speaker 4: kids there. And I remember walking into the mall and
Speaker 4: seeing like a line of kids that have been like
Speaker 4: sleeping and waiting. And then like you guys sat down
Speaker 4: to do a signing and and you were like getting
Speaker 4: like women are bringing their babies and like leading onesies
Speaker 4: and you guys like kids are crying, like oh my god,
Speaker 4: I see myself in this character. And I remember like
Speaker 4: calling my bosses at that time and was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what this is, but it feels like the Beatles,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, it's like it felt like something special,
Speaker 4: and it felt like it was like really moving people.
Speaker 4: And I saw it in that like first mall and
Speaker 4: I was like, this is crazy, you know, here we go.
Speaker 4: And then I remember after that, you know, it's snowballing
Speaker 4: and like paparazzi started following us on the mall star
Speaker 4: and you know, and and and you're right, you guys
Speaker 4: did not have publicist at the time, and you know,
Speaker 4: I was still really young, so I think I tried
Speaker 4: to give you the best advice that I could, but
Speaker 4: I think it was you know, it was like anything
Speaker 4: anyone could expect. No one knows how to handle a
Speaker 4: pop culture phenomenon, Like no matter how smart and talented
Speaker 4: you are, no matter how long you've been in the business,
Speaker 4: you can't get your arms around it. And there's no
Speaker 4: explaining it to anyone. You almost just have to like
Speaker 4: go through it and learn by trial and error.
Speaker 1: Did you have to do more pitching or were there
Speaker 1: now like say season ones up and running and were
Speaker 1: a hit? Was just like influx of press coming to
Speaker 1: you that you kind of have to like pingpong around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to like manage. So what I would
Speaker 4: say on a normal show is you spend all your
Speaker 4: time pitching, You spend all your time trying to get
Speaker 4: press for your clients for your show, really getting people
Speaker 4: to buzz and talk about it. But on Glee, it
Speaker 4: was different. It was like a wildfire, and it was like,
Speaker 4: how do you contain this in a way? And my
Speaker 4: ultimate goal with every reappearance that you guys did was
Speaker 4: just make sure like they're taken care of, their reps,
Speaker 4: are there, they have what they need. It goes smoothly.
Speaker 4: Press are happy with what they get. You guys are
Speaker 4: happy with the experience, and nothing kind of backfires on
Speaker 4: us because I think at a certain point, you go
Speaker 4: from like in the PR world, you go from like
Speaker 4: pitching a show and trying to get awareness, and then
Speaker 4: you kind of get to that top and then you
Speaker 4: have to like protect the show and and the people
Speaker 4: and like it kind of just kind of does that?
Speaker 4: Does that like natural pop culture? You know, like like
Speaker 4: media blitz? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually so I did
Speaker 4: some research before this. I pulled every single all the
Speaker 4: big things that we did, and I just wanted to
Speaker 4: I just go through and like just read.
Speaker 1: All the things, read them through.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, and this is I want to preface
Speaker 4: this by saying, because you know, there was like a
Speaker 4: team of people that worked on the on the show.
Speaker 4: It was me, Chris, Alexander, Pam, Mike Navarro, Shannon, Ryan,
Speaker 4: Joe Early like in marketing, Christen Graham, and Missy. So
Speaker 4: every one of us is like this little inner circle
Speaker 4: team at Fox and all worked on all these things.
Speaker 2: So I feel like we were all so close to
Speaker 2: that whole group too, because every name you say, it's
Speaker 2: like we had such regular interaction with all of you.
Speaker 2: I mean you and Pam and Chris the most, but
Speaker 2: everybody on that team was always around because there were
Speaker 2: a lot of people to that funny.
Speaker 4: It's funny is that it almost was better that was
Speaker 4: like a small group of us at the network that
Speaker 4: were like with you guys, yeah, because there wasn't a
Speaker 4: lot of cooks in the kitchen then, and it was.
Speaker 2: A little like you, there was a lot of consistency.
Speaker 2: It was always the same people, like right.
Speaker 4: Exactly, Okay, So we did past or performances at the
Speaker 4: World Series, the Super Bowl, the White House East Egg Event,
Speaker 4: and the Christmas Tree Lighting, a themed episode of Oprah.
Speaker 4: Jane hosted the Emmys Cast, did and Emmys Open with
Speaker 4: Jimmy Fallon. Jane hosted Saturday Night Live and Inside the
Speaker 4: Actors Studio performances at the Tonys MTV Music Awards Cast,
Speaker 4: presented Lady Gaga on Award Our, Ten City Mall Tour,
Speaker 4: Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame Premiere parties at
Speaker 4: Santa Monica High School, Chateau Armont, Paramount, Lot three, Entertainment
Speaker 4: weekly covers, cover of Emmy Magazine, Rolling Stone, GQ, Marie Claire,
Speaker 4: People's Special Issue, Hollywood Reporter cover twice, TV Guide Magazine
Speaker 4: cover twice, US Weekly Special Issue, Billboard cover, Vogues, Fashion
Speaker 4: Night Out, solo covers on Glamour, More Detail seventeen, Nylon,
Speaker 4: Cosmo A Lore, Marie Clare teen Vogue, cast, appearances on
Speaker 4: almost every talk show. And then that doesn't even include
Speaker 4: like upfronts, TCA screenings, Q and AS award campaigns. So
Speaker 4: that I mean, and the context of that is just
Speaker 4: like that was in the day when there was like
Speaker 4: like no like when you were on something, everyone saw it.
Speaker 2: Like right, And also most of that happened within the
Speaker 2: first like three seasons.
Speaker 1: Like I'm tired listening to that list. It was like
Speaker 1: you're like every weekend we were like here we are again,
Speaker 1: here we are.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That was the hardest thing was that you guys
Speaker 4: were shooting five days a week, and then I would
Speaker 4: have like Saturdays for photo shoots every weekend, and then
Speaker 4: Sunday was typically an award show, so you guys like
Speaker 4: Sundays are always during awards campaign. You had to go
Speaker 4: to every red carpet of every award show. So it
Speaker 4: was it was a good two and a half years
Speaker 4: of like you know, working like NonStop on all that.
Speaker 2: There's something you said about like being on the pilot
Speaker 2: and you seeing the performances and being around all of us,
Speaker 2: and then you being able to go back and be like, guys,
Speaker 2: something's happening here, and going on the mall tour and
Speaker 2: getting to witness like how people interacted, like you saw
Speaker 2: from the very beginning where a lot of people, how
Speaker 2: many of us were on that mall tour. It was
Speaker 2: like you and us, yeah, like and so nobody else
Speaker 2: was really around to see some of those things except you,
Speaker 2: like was there a role and like being able to
Speaker 2: go back to the network and be like you being
Speaker 2: able to report like I think this is going to
Speaker 2: be something like could you start mentally preparing for oh
Speaker 2: if this hits because I know how I feel about it,
Speaker 2: and then like being ultra in a healthy way like
Speaker 2: protective over us immediately, like I feel like going on
Speaker 2: that mall toor was like such a rude wakening for
Speaker 2: all of us of like, oh, there's more of them
Speaker 2: than there are of us. And then you were able
Speaker 2: to relay that back like what was especially because this
Speaker 2: was like the first I don't know five action show
Speaker 2: you had done in the hot minute, yeah, like what
Speaker 2: is happening with this beast?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean I definitely related back to like
Speaker 4: Joe Early and the team like at the network that
Speaker 4: it was something special and I relayed everything that I
Speaker 4: was seeing and like the response from from fans, and
Speaker 4: I was sort of like, you know, I wasn't in
Speaker 4: that age bracket. I was older, but I was close
Speaker 4: closer to it than some execs that were there, and
Speaker 4: I think they valued what I had to say about it,
Speaker 4: and they you know, they really listened to me. That
Speaker 4: was one of the great things about working at the
Speaker 4: network is they did value like young, younger people opinions
Speaker 4: and kind of thoughts on where things were going. And
Speaker 4: I was really I was really excited for the show,
Speaker 4: and I was excited for you guys, but I never
Speaker 4: could have anticipated the trajectory and the things that would
Speaker 4: have how it would have taken off, and what it
Speaker 4: would have become, you know, And yeah, and it was
Speaker 4: just so special. It's just so special, you know, And
Speaker 4: being able to it's funny because like when I think
Speaker 4: about Glee, I've been trying to, like I forget a
Speaker 4: lot of the things that we went through and the
Speaker 4: things that we did, and I've been trying to like
Speaker 4: go back and think through a lot of this again.
Speaker 4: And it's the early days that I remember the most. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, like the end kind of got fuzzy for me,
Speaker 4: Like it got like it got harder and it got fuzzier.
Speaker 4: But I remember like that Maltor in those days before
Speaker 4: anyone else knew what it was, those were the most special.
Speaker 4: Those I felt like I really connected with you guys.
Speaker 4: And then you guys, you guys all got publicist pretty quickly,
Speaker 4: like the first season, and I always thought that was
Speaker 4: like so wonderful because I was only one person at
Speaker 4: the time, and I already felt like, even just on
Speaker 4: the mall Toor, there was no way I was going
Speaker 4: to be able to cover both of you, you know,
Speaker 4: even just said I remember the Santa Monica, the first
Speaker 4: Santa Monica High school like screening thing that we did.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone arrived at like the same time, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm only one person. I don't know how
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take everyone down the carpet and be there
Speaker 4: for everyone. And so it was great that you guys
Speaker 4: all got you know, reps and who were all amazing good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of those early memories that sticks out in my
Speaker 2: head is on that Maltor We're on a flight being
Speaker 2: rowdy and the flight team that got mad at us
Speaker 2: and they're like, where is your parent? It was like parent,
Speaker 2: and then we just were like we took over first
Speaker 2: class and four other people that weren't part of our
Speaker 2: group for them, and then we were just like her,
Speaker 2: talk to her.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I know, I know. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 4: I guess I was the adult in the situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like ironically, yeah, yeah, not by a lot.
Speaker 1: How did did you guys, did you work with Ryan
Speaker 1: and like the Ryan Camp on a lot of like
Speaker 1: the PR strategy and such like, how did that kind
Speaker 1: of line of you know, I don't know the rain work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I worked with them, like very closely. I've worked
Speaker 4: with so many incredible producers over my career, and Ryan,
Speaker 4: Brad Dante and Iann were my favorite. They they Ryan,
Speaker 4: I would email and he would respond like that, like
Speaker 4: within minutes, you know, Oh, it called all the time.
Speaker 4: He was really involved. He is, I feel like the great,
Speaker 4: Like he understands media and pop culture unlike anyone I've
Speaker 4: ever met. And I thought I was going to like
Speaker 4: a master class of marketing and PR just my work
Speaker 4: with him, because because he understood how the media worked,
Speaker 4: he knew he knew, you know, and and I learned
Speaker 4: so much from working with him about it. And you know,
Speaker 4: there were times when he I remember, I think it
Speaker 4: might have been before second season he called Joe Early
Speaker 4: and Shannon and I and Chris and we did a
Speaker 4: meeting and he kind of presented like the second season,
Speaker 4: like the episodes that were going to come up, and
Speaker 4: you know, it was like the Brittany. I don't remember
Speaker 4: exactly what it was, Brittany up was Rocky Horn episode
Speaker 4: and and we left and I was just like, I
Speaker 4: think about it now because it's it was just sheer brilliance,
Speaker 4: like the fact that he created like a marketing hook
Speaker 4: for every single episode so that we could promote it
Speaker 4: and the music team could promote it, and the marketing
Speaker 4: and promos and social and stuff like that. He gave
Speaker 4: us something to sink our teeth into. And I think
Speaker 4: it helped really catapult the show like even more. And
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been for you know, for his you know,
Speaker 4: brilliant ideas and the musicians they brought on and guest
Speaker 4: stars and things like that too. But yeah, I worked
Speaker 4: really close to them. Probably Dante I probably worked with
Speaker 4: like every day.
Speaker 1: He was He was more.
Speaker 4: Like when I had you know, like when SNL calls
Speaker 4: and like we want Jane Lynch to host, I have
Speaker 4: to get Ryan and Dante's approval to clear her for
Speaker 4: a week before she can go. So yeah, so I
Speaker 4: worked with them on clearing you guys all the time,
Speaker 4: and you know, working towards events and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: The marketing for the show was one of the most
Speaker 2: unreal things I remember back then we used to say
Speaker 2: it was like the Obama eight campaign and then the
Speaker 2: Glee for a season marketing campaign, or like two of
Speaker 2: the craziest like pop culture. Even being inside.
Speaker 1: It, it was obviously I.
Speaker 2: Could still recognize how crazy it was with those like
Speaker 2: the Loser l posters were just everywhere every Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was no.
Speaker 4: I mean you have to have someone on from marketing
Speaker 4: to talk about this, like if you could, you know,
Speaker 4: interview Joe or someone, but we've.
Speaker 1: Reached out to Joe. We need to get them on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, because you know, this was brilliant.
Speaker 4: That was just so brilliant in the campaigns and the
Speaker 4: slushy campaigns like the key Barbara Lake worked on that
Speaker 4: as well, like the photo shoots you guys would do, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and Joe would just has such a great sense of
Speaker 4: humor and he just got the tone of the show.
Speaker 4: And I think that was why it was so you know,
Speaker 4: so great and it worked so well because he sort
Speaker 4: of got the humor and like the edginess of the
Speaker 4: show and incorporated that throughout the marketing. Because I think
Speaker 4: in someone else's hands or at some other network, it
Speaker 4: could have been a little too like sugary sweet. You know,
Speaker 4: if you know, you could have marketed in the wrong way.
Speaker 4: And I think Joe and his team on the marketing
Speaker 4: side just did an incredible job with that. And then
Speaker 4: I don't know who came up with gleek, but I
Speaker 4: know I put it into a press release at one
Speaker 4: point early days and then it sort of like took off.
Speaker 4: And I remember that week in like everywhere it was.
Speaker 4: I know it came from. I know it came from
Speaker 4: a marketing PR meeting and we started using it and
Speaker 4: then it just sort of took off.
Speaker 1: So that's nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to watch those things happen because now
Speaker 2: they're synonymous. You can't you can't take it away. I mean,
Speaker 2: speaking of all those photo shoots, like you would be
Speaker 2: there for all of those photo shoots and we I
Speaker 2: know were not the easiest on photo shoot days and
Speaker 2: because we were probably tired and had been shooting all week,
Speaker 2: but you are always just like this, like no matter
Speaker 2: all the big personalities we all have or tired, and
Speaker 2: you get the brunt of it where there's sort of
Speaker 2: because we were so close, there was not a lot
Speaker 2: of filter, which probably wasn't the most professional thing on
Speaker 2: our end, But you managed to get through those really
Speaker 2: long days, especially at the beginning of each season when
Speaker 2: we have to do those big photo shoot days for
Speaker 2: all the new key art. How did you do that? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, there were so many of us for
Speaker 2: so like since the beginning, and it just only got
Speaker 2: bigger where I don't know how you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you would go home and just scream at the yes.
Speaker 1: What No.
Speaker 4: I never I actually never thought you guys were like
Speaker 4: that because I was feeling very similar to what you
Speaker 4: guys were feeling. Was that like I needed a break too,
Speaker 4: and like you guys just needed a break and I
Speaker 4: and I kind of like felt exactly how you felt
Speaker 4: because my friends were getting married and having babies and
Speaker 4: spending weekends with their friends and I wanted to do
Speaker 4: that those things too, you know, but we were all working,
Speaker 4: and I think so I think there was like just
Speaker 4: like we understood that it was just a really it's
Speaker 4: like an amazing time to be grateful for to have
Speaker 4: all these experiences. But on the flip side, you just
Speaker 4: were tired, you know, we were all tired, and so
Speaker 4: I just I really like I didn't I and I'm
Speaker 4: also a people pleaser and I'm an introvert, and so
Speaker 4: I've realized that in retrospect looking back on that time,
Speaker 4: Like you know, it kind of went against the grain
Speaker 4: for me of like the type of person I am
Speaker 4: to be like so much and to be out and
Speaker 4: you know, like I am just quiet, shy person and
Speaker 4: I like to like stay at home and do things
Speaker 4: at home. But it took it out of me too,
Speaker 4: you know. So I never felt like you guys. Never
Speaker 4: never felt like you guys, you never had attitude towards
Speaker 4: me anyway. Like you guys were always like great to
Speaker 4: me and like very nice and and if there was
Speaker 4: ever an issue your you know, sometimes your reps, you know,
Speaker 4: rep would reach out to me and explain something, and
Speaker 4: I just I just like always understood because I just
Speaker 4: sort of saw like the grand you know.
Speaker 1: The I mean, you were there from the beginning. You
Speaker 1: understood like where we all started from to where we
Speaker 1: took off to you know, you're like with us on
Speaker 1: the train, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And then I think like after Corey Pass,
Speaker 4: I just got very like protective of you guys and
Speaker 4: like really just wanted to like button down the show
Speaker 4: and wanted to keep you guys like away from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that like after Corey died? Like, because
Speaker 1: so this was all very new for all of us,
Speaker 1: Like none of us really knew how to navigate a
Speaker 1: public something so public and so tragic, Like what was
Speaker 1: the handling the media side of that? Like, and then
Speaker 1: also having to promote the show still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you were friends with him, so you're
Speaker 2: also had and then the loss.
Speaker 4: That was literally the hardest thing I've ever done in
Speaker 4: my entire life. I remember when I got the phone call.
Speaker 4: I was like in a movie at the Grove and
Speaker 4: Melissa Kates, Corey's publicist, called and I missed it. And
Speaker 4: then Dante called and I was like too yeah, and
Speaker 4: I was like I should jump out of the movie.
Speaker 4: So I jumped out of the movie. And he was like,
Speaker 4: Corey passed and the police are going to do a
Speaker 4: press conference in thirty minutes and we need you to
Speaker 4: draft a statement from the work in the studio and
Speaker 4: and all of everyone. And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: So I sat down in the in the the theater
Speaker 4: and I was like like I couldn't wrap my head
Speaker 4: around it. My my brain was frozen. I was like
Speaker 4: I can't, Like I can't. I have to. I know
Speaker 4: I have to go into like work mode, but I
Speaker 4: just sort of I can't do that right now. So
Speaker 4: I called all my bosses at the time, and one
Speaker 4: of my bosses, Jason Clark, answered, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I need your help, Like, I like, I cannot write
Speaker 4: this by myself, Like I need you to like what
Speaker 4: are we saying? Like what you know? And so we
Speaker 4: worked on that, and then that night I went home
Speaker 4: and I'm not kidding you, I didn't even realize there
Speaker 4: were thousands of media outlets at that point at that time,
Speaker 4: but if every single media outlet in the world reached
Speaker 4: out to me that night to get our statement. So
Speaker 4: I sat up all night just copying and pasting and
Speaker 4: spending all night crying. And then I woke up at
Speaker 4: like five in the morning and I went out front
Speaker 4: of my apartment and like it was like a quiet morning.
Speaker 4: There was no one on the street, and I was
Speaker 4: just like bawling, and I hear this loud music just
Speaker 4: turn on. It like turned on and then it went off.
Speaker 4: I like, I don't know if it was a sign.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys believe in things like that,
Speaker 4: but it was a really weird thing. And then and
Speaker 4: then you know, I had to go into this like
Speaker 4: work mode. And it really wasn't until I helped Dante
Speaker 4: plan like the memorial for Corey that we did on set,
Speaker 4: And it really wasn't until I got to that memorial
Speaker 4: that I like just like let go and started crying.
Speaker 4: It was just a really weird thing because you know,
Speaker 4: you just wanted to grieve. You just wanted to cry.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to have to work, but work, and
Speaker 4: and I saw a different side of media, you know,
Speaker 4: that was you know, it's a side that I hope
Speaker 4: other people don't ever have to see. But it sort
Speaker 4: of was not a great side. Had to answer a
Speaker 4: lot of questions like about what was going to happen
Speaker 4: with the show, and we didn't know, No one knew
Speaker 4: at that point. So yeah, it was difficult.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't believe that was like thrust upon you.
Speaker 1: I mean that that is your role, right, but it's
Speaker 1: just like you're like, I didn't sign up for this, right, Like,
Speaker 1: this is not something that I prepared my like anybody
Speaker 1: can prepare for. So it's so crazy.
Speaker 2: You don't often see the human side of it too.
Speaker 4: I don't think that it ever happened where as someone
Speaker 4: that was on a current hit show had passed away.
Speaker 4: I don't think, like maybe maybe maybe it had, but
Speaker 4: at the time, I think they said that it was
Speaker 4: like the first time that someone that was still on
Speaker 4: a show it had happened, so and it was such
Speaker 4: a big show, and and I just loved Corey so much,
Speaker 4: so it just yeah, that was that was.
Speaker 1: How do them social media affect the evolution of Glee?
Speaker 1: Because obviously that was like kind of towards the middle,
Speaker 1: kind of towards the end. Aside from Twitter, we started
Speaker 1: doing like the live Twitter feeds as the show was
Speaker 1: airing and things like that, Like, how did that because
Speaker 1: we were one of like the pioneer shows for that,
Speaker 1: how did that affect like the way that you strategically
Speaker 1: had to evolve? I guess yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean so I think that you guys were like
Speaker 4: the last pop culture phenomenon TV show because you came
Speaker 4: out at a time where it was like, right, like
Speaker 4: the networks were still the four big networks. It was
Speaker 4: still ABCNBC, Fox, CBS, cable was starting to crop up,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't at the extent that it is now,
Speaker 4: and you guys were It was right when like YouTube
Speaker 4: and Facebook and Twitter were just sort of starting, So
Speaker 4: you benefited from those new outlets and like the amount
Speaker 4: of amplification that they take with content, with your quotes,
Speaker 4: with the stories that were pushed out on Glee. But
Speaker 4: the world wasn't as fragmented as it is now, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So, like now, if you asked
Speaker 4: me in two thousand and nine, what are the top
Speaker 4: five shows? I would probably I think you would probably
Speaker 4: get the same answer for most people if you ask
Speaker 4: that now, I don't think you would get the same
Speaker 4: answer at all because of our media landscape and our
Speaker 4: world is just so fragmented. And so you guys were
Speaker 4: really you know, you were. You were right place, right
Speaker 4: time too. It wasn't it was it was this show
Speaker 4: was so special. You guys were so talented, but it
Speaker 4: also premiered just at the right time where you could
Speaker 4: capitalize on social media and it wasn't as fragmented as
Speaker 4: it is now. And I remember remember I remember like
Speaker 4: Missy and them, like or Marketing must have asked us
Speaker 4: for you guys to do a tweet along, and I
Speaker 4: remember having to explain to publicist, so like what is
Speaker 4: this And I'm like, I'm like, Missy, I'm like I
Speaker 4: don't really I don't really know exact that. I'm like, Missy,
Speaker 4: should we have them like come into the office to
Speaker 4: tweet along? And she was like yeah, and they like
Speaker 4: I think Missy and Kristen like handled like getting a
Speaker 4: space in the office and you got into tweet along
Speaker 4: because we didn't really understand that like tweeting along you
Speaker 4: can do from home. Like we were like, let's bring
Speaker 4: everybody in here, have thee together.
Speaker 2: I remember that you guys have like the East Coast feed.
Speaker 2: We sat in like a conference room or something and
Speaker 2: just tweeted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was sort of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have one other there's I have a little like
Speaker 4: Easter egg bank for fans if they was over all
Speaker 4: of our stuff. So our rolling Stone cover that we did.
Speaker 4: So the cover art or so shot by Mark Selliger.
Speaker 4: You guys have like this amazing feature. There's an amazing
Speaker 4: feature on the inside. But the cover was actually inspired
Speaker 4: by the Friends cover from nineteen ninety five. So if
Speaker 4: you look at like the the Friends cover rolling Stone
Speaker 4: compared to the Glee cover rolling Stone, it almost looks
Speaker 4: like identical. Wow, it's a fun little yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think, I ever, yeah, I think, but I can totally
Speaker 1: see it. It must have been all right, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a little fun one. And we had
Speaker 4: like some great reporters that you guys probably remember that
Speaker 4: like covered you know, Tim.
Speaker 3: Stack and my Glossy Yellow and yeah Smark Malcolm, you're
Speaker 3: so great to us. It was nice to see familiar
Speaker 3: faces like that on at these panels on red carpets,
Speaker 3: because you feel like you have a relationship with them.
Speaker 3: You don't feel so uncomfortable going into these very uncomfortable situations.
Speaker 3: So it was always nice to have familiar you know, friends.
Speaker 3: I guess you'd call them. Some of them are friends now,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, it's hard to call media friends sometimes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think also to that point, like
Speaker 2: you said after Corey passed that you felt really protective.
Speaker 2: I think though from the beginning, whether you meant to
Speaker 2: or not, we were always protected in the way that
Speaker 2: even like the like everyone you just mentioned, Jeda, it
Speaker 2: was a very like like trusted, secure group of people
Speaker 2: we were around. If you were putting us in front
Speaker 2: of reporters, it was people we knew and had built
Speaker 2: relationships with and I think that's probably intentional. And we
Speaker 2: always felt protected, and it always felt like when we
Speaker 2: were going into an event that you were running or
Speaker 2: that you were there. I just know there was always
Speaker 2: a feeling of Okay, this will be so much easier.
Speaker 2: There's this isn't going to be weird. There's not going
Speaker 2: to be a situation we can't get out of or
Speaker 2: we can't handle. Because when you're on your own, that's
Speaker 2: the other thing. Yeah, when you have your own publicists
Speaker 2: and you go out into the world upon that In
Speaker 2: that time where we had never been a part of
Speaker 2: something so successful before, we were spoiled with you because
Speaker 2: it was so protected. There was such a great team.
Speaker 2: I'm sort of building this, you know, invisible fence around
Speaker 2: us because the press art it can be crazy and
Speaker 2: it can be mean and salacious, and when you're on
Speaker 2: your own without that sort of tracy and co protection,
Speaker 2: it was terrifying. Like every time we had to go
Speaker 2: to something and you guys weren't there, I remember the
Speaker 2: feeling of like, oh god, it was so daunting of
Speaker 2: how is this going to be interesting?
Speaker 4: To hear you say that? Yeah, I mean, we definitely
Speaker 4: try to like make sure everything we did was like
Speaker 4: super thought out and we know exactly where you're being
Speaker 4: dropped and escort you a certain way and make sure
Speaker 4: talent were there. That was we just wanted a controlled
Speaker 4: environment exactly like you said, just because it was so
Speaker 4: out of control at the time, and that was the
Speaker 4: part that we could control. And shout out to Clinton,
Speaker 4: who was our sen was like my favorite person.
Speaker 2: And you two were like imaginate in heaven. It was
Speaker 2: funny work together.
Speaker 4: We were good together, and Marissa like we would all
Speaker 4: like now like get you guys, and we make sure,
Speaker 4: you know, everyone was like good and stuff. And yeah,
Speaker 4: we took it really seriously and you know, we never
Speaker 4: wanted to drop the ball and make sure everything was
Speaker 4: set for you guys. So yeah, that was that was
Speaker 4: a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely felt that way when it was handled
Speaker 1: like that, like it was. Yeah, it was so chaotic.
Speaker 1: It was truly just so chaotic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you guys remember besides that, like from
Speaker 4: like interview stuff like do you.
Speaker 2: Have any like oh I remember so I Jim, we did,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was Entertainment Weekly. It was some
Speaker 2: cover we did. Were you even started to have having
Speaker 2: photo shoots on set, so like we'd be shooting in
Speaker 2: the middle of the day when you could, you would
Speaker 2: grab us to a different stage that connected, and we'd
Speaker 2: have to change hair and makeup and pop in for
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes or ten minutes whenever they were like turning
Speaker 2: around on camera coverage in the scene we were shooting,
Speaker 2: and we'd go And that happened several times where then
Speaker 2: we'd go in and shoot whatever story we were doing
Speaker 2: and then run us back and you were just like, Yep,
Speaker 2: this is how it's happening now, because we don't have
Speaker 2: any other time, and we.
Speaker 4: Not have them work on Saturday, so maybe we can
Speaker 4: just have them work during and like right, do it
Speaker 4: in between. But yeah, we would. We would totally did that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have so many memories from the photo shoots.
Speaker 1: I remember the very first one we did, Kevin, I
Speaker 1: don't think you were there. I was like Leah, Diana
Speaker 1: mean Amber and Corey I can't remember. We were in
Speaker 1: some club at ten in the morning.
Speaker 2: It was I remember those photos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 4: Life and Style or.
Speaker 2: Like yes, that's right, yes.
Speaker 4: And that was before you guys premiere, So that was
Speaker 4: like a free, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you know. I mean, all the big ones
Speaker 1: really stick out, and all the Fox events always like
Speaker 1: stick out to me because it was like family, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You go and you see all
Speaker 1: the other talent from Fox shows, and all the teams
Speaker 1: were there, Missy, Pam, You, Chris, Joe, like everybody was
Speaker 1: always there, which was nice too. They were just familiar events,
Speaker 1: which I liked.
Speaker 2: Obviously. The Oprah Obama weekend was nuts.
Speaker 4: That weekend was amazing. That was the weekend that went
Speaker 4: down in history because we did Saturday, we went to
Speaker 4: Oprah and then Sunday you guys were performing for Obama.
Speaker 3: Like it was literally one of the craziest weekends.
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 2: All the Fox showed up. I was like, oh, so
Speaker 2: now you're here jumping.
Speaker 4: In the photo with Obama. Were like I wasn't on
Speaker 4: the list, but I was like, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 4: sneak in here.
Speaker 1: Yes you do, Yes, you do.
Speaker 4: I remember too, like the World Series game, I guess,
Speaker 4: and like Biden was there.
Speaker 2: Do you remember we came down and hung out with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I remember you guys being in that
Speaker 4: room and you guys were like going around like playing
Speaker 4: some game about like who's going to be the first
Speaker 4: one to like get married, or who's going to be
Speaker 4: going to get a movie? You know, who's the first
Speaker 4: one that's going to get arrested? And like, you, guys,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the answers any of those were.
Speaker 1: But we loved a game. We loved the game.
Speaker 2: I'm sure did in so many ways entertain ourselves. I
Speaker 2: remember it was rained out. There's a rain delay, yes,
Speaker 2: and then Biden was down there with us and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was crazy. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Do you have any favorite events, like do you have
Speaker 2: any or hectic times, like anything that stick out to
Speaker 2: you about a lot of the crazy stuff we had
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 4: I mean, the my one of my favorite memories was
Speaker 4: when Janet chose a sn L and I was like
Speaker 4: I didn't need to go, like my boss, like I
Speaker 4: could have just gone for like Friday, Saturday, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was like to my boss, can I please
Speaker 4: go on Monday and like do the whole week with her?
Speaker 4: And she was like Okay, so yeah, ago and it
Speaker 4: was like the memory of a lifetime. I mean, I
Speaker 4: remember Monday night showing up with Jane and they were
Speaker 4: like Lauren michaels Is on his way up, like you know,
Speaker 4: he was almost like, you know, a president or something
Speaker 4: at the time. Totally he gets up there and they
Speaker 4: start like throwing out ideas and this was the days
Speaker 4: of like I think it was like Andy Samberg and
Speaker 4: Jason Sudeikis and Kristen Wigg and it was just like
Speaker 4: a it was a really really.
Speaker 1: Fun week just to be around ya.
Speaker 4: I Mean, I have so many times where I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, I I was like a kid from Florida
Speaker 4: that grew up like moved out to La you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know how I ended up being a part
Speaker 4: of the show and making just like the memories of
Speaker 4: a lifetime. And even though I was in the background,
Speaker 4: and I still appreciated, you know, every single thing and
Speaker 4: tell my friends and people about it all the time.
Speaker 4: So it's definitely something that like shape my life, and
Speaker 4: I know it shaped yours too, and just it was hard,
Speaker 4: but it also was like really really fun and.
Speaker 2: You worked so much. So I'm just thinking, like I
Speaker 2: think it was easy for us to take for granted,
Speaker 2: like you're always there. We were used to the hours
Speaker 2: we were working, but like you were always there.
Speaker 4: I worked a lot. I had no life and then guys,
Speaker 4: guess what. Six months after Glee wrapped, they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: we have another music show. It's called Empire. And I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my, there's no way this show is
Speaker 4: going to be like Glee. So it's fine, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll like, you know, I'll figure it out. I'll be
Speaker 4: able to like work life balance. And then it premiered
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, this is Glee.
Speaker 1: So I was you know, it was we've just done
Speaker 1: this before, we can do it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had pretty much. I worked for like probably eight years,
Speaker 4: like a good eight years where I didn't have a
Speaker 4: weekend or oh.
Speaker 2: My god, I'm maybe now though good Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you I mean you mentioned Pam earlier YouTube. Pam Jackson
Speaker 2: was international pr at the studio and last year she
Speaker 2: passed away. But she was just everybody's favorite, just like
Speaker 2: the best human in the world. And I remember being
Speaker 2: on the mall tour and her calling me outside of
Speaker 2: some airport to pitch me the trip to Australia that
Speaker 2: we took right after, because she was like, do you
Speaker 2: think we get everybody to agree to fly premium economy
Speaker 2: and not business? And I was like I think everyone
Speaker 2: would like coach, like what do you what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like we're so new, we're flying first class for like
Speaker 2: the first time right now on this little tour, so
Speaker 2: like I think, and then that trip was just unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and she took us you know, she was like your
Speaker 2: counterpart for everything outside the US. But she was also
Speaker 2: around all the time on set, and I mean, did
Speaker 2: you guys work closely together too, because of I imagine
Speaker 2: you did, because it's coordinated strategy. But she was also
Speaker 2: just the best.
Speaker 4: She was just the best. Like her laugh and like
Speaker 4: she would just hug me and I was just like
Speaker 4: and she would just laugh and it would just like
Speaker 4: put it all into perspective. She was just the best.
Speaker 4: And she did oversee international and had like a lot
Speaker 4: of responsibilities outside of the US, especially because Glee was
Speaker 4: such an international phenomenon. But she's still like any events
Speaker 4: that we had, she would come and help Kris and
Speaker 4: I on the red carpet, helped cover you guys. She
Speaker 4: would come to set with us. I mean, she loved
Speaker 4: you guys, and she loved that show so much. Like
Speaker 4: she she would be way better at this interview than
Speaker 4: I would. She she would. You know, she was so
Speaker 4: good at at everything she did, and you know, we
Speaker 4: all we all loved her at Fox.
Speaker 1: She was a beloved yeah, a dear friend, such a good,
Speaker 1: so good at her job. She just liked she was
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: And it is very much beyond just a job. Like
Speaker 2: from the very beginning, it was like Mama, Pam's going
Speaker 2: to take care of us. Yeah, Like I don't think
Speaker 2: this has anything to do with international press, but I'm
Speaker 2: so happy here here here, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I know That's how I felt with her too. I
Speaker 4: remember actually, like when I when I walked up to
Speaker 4: Corey's memorial, she was the first person I saw and
Speaker 4: she gave me a hug, and that's when I like,
Speaker 4: just let go. She was just a mom figure. I
Speaker 4: don't writ how she did it to everyone, but she
Speaker 4: was just so loving and she did really care and
Speaker 4: she was really like friends with you guys.
Speaker 1: On that note, we ask everybody on the show, what
Speaker 1: is the feeling that Glee leaves you with.
Speaker 4: Say nostalgia, I would say, just that feeling in your
Speaker 4: gut that like it was something so good and so
Speaker 4: special and you know you wish you could just go
Speaker 4: back and not do it. Over again, but just you
Speaker 4: just want to be back in that moment and just
Speaker 4: remember it and just how grateful I am that I
Speaker 4: got to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: We're so lucky that you were involved too, I know.
Speaker 1: And it's just so good to see you. It's been
Speaker 1: so long. I'm so happy for you, guys.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is awesome, like really awesome, and and
Speaker 4: I love seeing you with the baby and just having
Speaker 4: the lives and going to the White House still and
Speaker 4: still doing better.
Speaker 2: Believe I taking my parents who I was like, I said,
Speaker 2: this is where we took the picture where the Obamas
Speaker 2: that's the long way hung out with the dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you guys so much for even
Speaker 4: inviting me on to do this. I really was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same without you, so we had
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for doing this and for
Speaker 2: sharing all those memories and the lists of all the
Speaker 2: things that you got to like you got and did
Speaker 2: for the show. And there's a lot of like unsung
Speaker 2: heroes that went into making that show what it was
Speaker 2: and you are definitely up there.
Speaker 4: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking care of us and all your incredible
Speaker 2: work in friendship. Bye bye.
Speaker 1: Glee would not be the same without Tracy and without
Speaker 1: all the amazing peer people that she mentioned that worked
Speaker 1: so tirelessly for this show, just like there's literally took
Speaker 1: a massive village to make this show run.
Speaker 2: The way, and she was the head of that on
Speaker 2: the ground, like she every red carpet, every photo shoot,
Speaker 2: every interview, she was there making sure everything was okay,
Speaker 2: setting the parameters for how these things were happening, controlling
Speaker 2: everything and it was like a masterclass. And she just
Speaker 2: was twenty nine and doing all of that. It's and
Speaker 2: I mean shout out to her bosses for also like
Speaker 2: giving her the reins and letting her do that and
Speaker 2: trusting her to do it because she was great at it.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much Tracy for coming on taking
Speaker 1: the time to chat with us, and yeah we are
Speaker 1: we are nothing without you, no.
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking care of us like kindness goes a
Speaker 2: long way, you know, and hard work. Thank you, Tracy,
Speaker 2: and thank you for listening everyone, And that's what you
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