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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and that's what you're in the mist podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's the publicity episode. Today we have Tracy Raftery, the

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Speaker 1: head of publicity for Glee. Her first live action scripted show,

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Speaker 1: Out the Gate, which is a very big undertaking for her.

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Speaker 1: And I came to one and she also was like

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Speaker 2: Started, and she had been working on animated shows before.

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Speaker 1: She gave up this air of like knowing what she did,

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Speaker 1: so I just assumed she'd been around for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we all trusted her blindly, and I think that

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Speaker 2: was the right thing to do because she took care

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Speaker 2: of us. Yeah, she's She is just the kindest person.

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Speaker 2: She worked so hard and I can't wait for you

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Speaker 2: to hear all the things she did for the show.

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Speaker 2: This is Tracy. Oh my god, Hiray you ageless, wonder what.

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Speaker 1: The hell like?

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Speaker 3: Benjamin Button, Oh my god, you guys to see you.

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Speaker 4: I'm good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Suy you guys.

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Speaker 2: We cry all the time.

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Speaker 4: No, I know this, this podcast must be so like cathartic.

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Speaker 4: It is asking me to come on, I'm like thinking

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Speaker 4: about that time again, just like going through all those

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, buckle up. Well, we're so happy

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Speaker 3: that I mean, honestly, it's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, so like I don't think people understand and we'll

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Speaker 2: get we'll get there, but like we spent so much

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Speaker 2: time with you over the course of that show. It

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Speaker 2: really does take an army of people to like make

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Speaker 2: done in all the different departments. Can you tell people

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Speaker 2: what you did on Glee?

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Speaker 4: Yes, So I was the network publicist, and I'll explain

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Speaker 4: So you're just either pitching stories and features or you're

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Speaker 4: Is like you guys had personal publicists, so you guys

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Speaker 4: And studio publicists really oversee sort of the business of

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Speaker 4: So it was a it was a it was definitely

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Speaker 1: Start with the Hot Topic tour that we did because

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Speaker 4: So we so we get hot topic as a partner,

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Speaker 1: Did you have to do more pitching or were there

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to like manage. So what I would

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Speaker 1: So that's nuts.

436
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to watch those things happen because now

437
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: they're synonymous. You can't you can't take it away. I mean,

438
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: speaking of all those photo shoots, like you would be

439
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: there for all of those photo shoots and we I

440
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: know were not the easiest on photo shoot days and

441
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: because we were probably tired and had been shooting all week,

442
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: but you are always just like this, like no matter

443
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: all the big personalities we all have or tired, and

444
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: you get the brunt of it where there's sort of

445
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: because we were so close, there was not a lot

446
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: of filter, which probably wasn't the most professional thing on

447
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: our end, But you managed to get through those really

448
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: long days, especially at the beginning of each season when

449
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: we have to do those big photo shoot days for

450
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: all the new key art. How did you do that? Like,

451
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, there were so many of us for

452
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: so like since the beginning, and it just only got

453
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: bigger where I don't know how you. I don't know

454
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: if you would go home and just scream at the yes.

455
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: What No.

456
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: I never I actually never thought you guys were like

457
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 4: that because I was feeling very similar to what you

458
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 4: guys were feeling. Was that like I needed a break too,

459
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 4: and like you guys just needed a break and I

460
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: and I kind of like felt exactly how you felt

461
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 4: because my friends were getting married and having babies and

462
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 4: spending weekends with their friends and I wanted to do

463
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: that those things too, you know, but we were all working,

464
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: and I think so I think there was like just

465
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 4: like we understood that it was just a really it's

466
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 4: like an amazing time to be grateful for to have

467
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 4: all these experiences. But on the flip side, you just

468
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: were tired, you know, we were all tired, and so

469
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 4: I just I really like I didn't I and I'm

470
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: also a people pleaser and I'm an introvert, and so

471
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: I've realized that in retrospect looking back on that time,

472
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: Like you know, it kind of went against the grain

473
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: for me of like the type of person I am

474
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 4: to be like so much and to be out and

475
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: you know, like I am just quiet, shy person and

476
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: I like to like stay at home and do things

477
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 4: at home. But it took it out of me too,

478
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: you know. So I never felt like you guys. Never

479
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: never felt like you guys, you never had attitude towards

480
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: me anyway. Like you guys were always like great to

481
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: me and like very nice and and if there was

482
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: ever an issue your you know, sometimes your reps, you know,

483
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: rep would reach out to me and explain something, and

484
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 4: I just I just like always understood because I just

485
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 4: sort of saw like the grand you know.

486
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: The I mean, you were there from the beginning. You

487
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: understood like where we all started from to where we

488
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: took off to you know, you're like with us on

489
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: the train, you know.

490
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And then I think like after Corey Pass,

491
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 4: I just got very like protective of you guys and

492
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: like really just wanted to like button down the show

493
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: and wanted to keep you guys like away from.

494
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that like after Corey died? Like, because

495
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: so this was all very new for all of us,

496
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: Like none of us really knew how to navigate a

497
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: public something so public and so tragic, Like what was

498
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: the handling the media side of that? Like, and then

499
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: also having to promote the show still.

500
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you were friends with him, so you're

501
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: also had and then the loss.

502
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: That was literally the hardest thing I've ever done in

503
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: my entire life. I remember when I got the phone call.

504
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: I was like in a movie at the Grove and

505
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: Melissa Kates, Corey's publicist, called and I missed it. And

506
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: then Dante called and I was like too yeah, and

507
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 4: I was like I should jump out of the movie.

508
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: So I jumped out of the movie. And he was like,

509
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: Corey passed and the police are going to do a

510
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: press conference in thirty minutes and we need you to

511
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 4: draft a statement from the work in the studio and

512
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: and all of everyone. And I was like, oh my god.

513
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: So I sat down in the in the the theater

514
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: and I was like like I couldn't wrap my head

515
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: around it. My my brain was frozen. I was like

516
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: I can't, Like I can't. I have to. I know

517
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: I have to go into like work mode, but I

518
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: just sort of I can't do that right now. So

519
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 4: I called all my bosses at the time, and one

520
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: of my bosses, Jason Clark, answered, and I was like,

521
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: I need your help, Like, I like, I cannot write

522
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: this by myself, Like I need you to like what

523
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: are we saying? Like what you know? And so we

524
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: worked on that, and then that night I went home

525
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: and I'm not kidding you, I didn't even realize there

526
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: were thousands of media outlets at that point at that time,

527
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 4: but if every single media outlet in the world reached

528
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: out to me that night to get our statement. So

529
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: I sat up all night just copying and pasting and

530
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: spending all night crying. And then I woke up at

531
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: like five in the morning and I went out front

532
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: of my apartment and like it was like a quiet morning.

533
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: There was no one on the street, and I was

534
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: just like bawling, and I hear this loud music just

535
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: turn on. It like turned on and then it went off.

536
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: I like, I don't know if it was a sign.

537
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys believe in things like that,

538
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: but it was a really weird thing. And then and

539
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: then you know, I had to go into this like

540
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: work mode. And it really wasn't until I helped Dante

541
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: plan like the memorial for Corey that we did on set,

542
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: And it really wasn't until I got to that memorial

543
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: that I like just like let go and started crying.

544
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: It was just a really weird thing because you know,

545
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: you just wanted to grieve. You just wanted to cry.

546
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: I didn't want to have to work, but work, and

547
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: and I saw a different side of media, you know,

548
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: that was you know, it's a side that I hope

549
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: other people don't ever have to see. But it sort

550
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: of was not a great side. Had to answer a

551
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: lot of questions like about what was going to happen

552
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: with the show, and we didn't know, No one knew

553
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: at that point. So yeah, it was difficult.

554
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't believe that was like thrust upon you.

555
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean that that is your role, right, but it's

556
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: just like you're like, I didn't sign up for this, right, Like,

557
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: this is not something that I prepared my like anybody

558
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: can prepare for. So it's so crazy.

559
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: You don't often see the human side of it too.

560
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 4: I don't think that it ever happened where as someone

561
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: that was on a current hit show had passed away.

562
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: I don't think, like maybe maybe maybe it had, but

563
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: at the time, I think they said that it was

564
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: like the first time that someone that was still on

565
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: a show it had happened, so and it was such

566
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: a big show, and and I just loved Corey so much,

567
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: so it just yeah, that was that was.

568
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: How do them social media affect the evolution of Glee?

569
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Because obviously that was like kind of towards the middle,

570
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of towards the end. Aside from Twitter, we started

571
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: doing like the live Twitter feeds as the show was

572
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: airing and things like that, Like, how did that because

573
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: we were one of like the pioneer shows for that,

574
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: how did that affect like the way that you strategically

575
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: had to evolve? I guess yeah.

576
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: I mean so I think that you guys were like

577
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: the last pop culture phenomenon TV show because you came

578
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: out at a time where it was like, right, like

579
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: the networks were still the four big networks. It was

580
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 4: still ABCNBC, Fox, CBS, cable was starting to crop up,

581
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 4: but it wasn't at the extent that it is now,

582
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: and you guys were It was right when like YouTube

583
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: and Facebook and Twitter were just sort of starting, So

584
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: you benefited from those new outlets and like the amount

585
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: of amplification that they take with content, with your quotes,

586
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: with the stories that were pushed out on Glee. But

587
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: the world wasn't as fragmented as it is now, you

588
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So, like now, if you asked

589
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: me in two thousand and nine, what are the top

590
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: five shows? I would probably I think you would probably

591
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: get the same answer for most people if you ask

592
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: that now, I don't think you would get the same

593
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: answer at all because of our media landscape and our

594
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 4: world is just so fragmented. And so you guys were

595
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: really you know, you were. You were right place, right

596
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: time too. It wasn't it was it was this show

597
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: was so special. You guys were so talented, but it

598
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: also premiered just at the right time where you could

599
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: capitalize on social media and it wasn't as fragmented as

600
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: it is now. And I remember remember I remember like

601
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: Missy and them, like or Marketing must have asked us

602
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: for you guys to do a tweet along, and I

603
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: remember having to explain to publicist, so like what is

604
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: this And I'm like, I'm like, Missy, I'm like I

605
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: don't really I don't really know exact that. I'm like, Missy,

606
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: should we have them like come into the office to

607
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: tweet along? And she was like yeah, and they like

608
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: I think Missy and Kristen like handled like getting a

609
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 4: space in the office and you got into tweet along

610
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: because we didn't really understand that like tweeting along you

611
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: can do from home. Like we were like, let's bring

612
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: everybody in here, have thee together.

613
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: I remember that you guys have like the East Coast feed.

614
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: We sat in like a conference room or something and

615
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: just tweeted.

616
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was sort of fun.

617
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

618
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: I have one other there's I have a little like

619
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: Easter egg bank for fans if they was over all

620
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 4: of our stuff. So our rolling Stone cover that we did.

621
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: So the cover art or so shot by Mark Selliger.

622
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: You guys have like this amazing feature. There's an amazing

623
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: feature on the inside. But the cover was actually inspired

624
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: by the Friends cover from nineteen ninety five. So if

625
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: you look at like the the Friends cover rolling Stone

626
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: compared to the Glee cover rolling Stone, it almost looks

627
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: like identical. Wow, it's a fun little yeah, I.

628
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: Think, I ever, yeah, I think, but I can totally

629
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: see it. It must have been all right, that's awesome.

630
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's a little fun one. And we had

631
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: like some great reporters that you guys probably remember that

632
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: like covered you know, Tim.

633
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: Stack and my Glossy Yellow and yeah Smark Malcolm, you're

634
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: so great to us. It was nice to see familiar

635
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: faces like that on at these panels on red carpets,

636
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 3: because you feel like you have a relationship with them.

637
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: You don't feel so uncomfortable going into these very uncomfortable situations.

638
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: So it was always nice to have familiar you know, friends.

639
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: I guess you'd call them. Some of them are friends now,

640
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, it's hard to call media friends sometimes.

641
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think also to that point, like

642
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: you said after Corey passed that you felt really protective.

643
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: I think though from the beginning, whether you meant to

644
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: or not, we were always protected in the way that

645
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: even like the like everyone you just mentioned, Jeda, it

646
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: was a very like like trusted, secure group of people

647
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: we were around. If you were putting us in front

648
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: of reporters, it was people we knew and had built

649
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: relationships with and I think that's probably intentional. And we

650
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: always felt protected, and it always felt like when we

651
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: were going into an event that you were running or

652
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: that you were there. I just know there was always

653
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: a feeling of Okay, this will be so much easier.

654
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: There's this isn't going to be weird. There's not going

655
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: to be a situation we can't get out of or

656
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: we can't handle. Because when you're on your own, that's

657
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: the other thing. Yeah, when you have your own publicists

658
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: and you go out into the world upon that In

659
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: that time where we had never been a part of

660
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 2: something so successful before, we were spoiled with you because

661
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: it was so protected. There was such a great team.

662
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm sort of building this, you know, invisible fence around

663
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: us because the press art it can be crazy and

664
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: it can be mean and salacious, and when you're on

665
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: your own without that sort of tracy and co protection,

666
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: it was terrifying. Like every time we had to go

667
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: to something and you guys weren't there, I remember the

668
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: feeling of like, oh god, it was so daunting of

669
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: how is this going to be interesting?

670
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: To hear you say that? Yeah, I mean, we definitely

671
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: try to like make sure everything we did was like

672
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: super thought out and we know exactly where you're being

673
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: dropped and escort you a certain way and make sure

674
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 4: talent were there. That was we just wanted a controlled

675
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: environment exactly like you said, just because it was so

676
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: out of control at the time, and that was the

677
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: part that we could control. And shout out to Clinton,

678
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 4: who was our sen was like my favorite person.

679
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: And you two were like imaginate in heaven. It was

680
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: funny work together.

681
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: We were good together, and Marissa like we would all

682
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: like now like get you guys, and we make sure,

683
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: you know, everyone was like good and stuff. And yeah,

684
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 4: we took it really seriously and you know, we never

685
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: wanted to drop the ball and make sure everything was

686
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: set for you guys. So yeah, that was that was

687
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 4: a big part of it.

688
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely felt that way when it was handled

689
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: like that, like it was. Yeah, it was so chaotic.

690
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: It was truly just so chaotic.

691
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you guys remember besides that, like from

692
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: like interview stuff like do you.

693
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: Have any like oh I remember so I Jim, we did,

694
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was Entertainment Weekly. It was some

695
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: cover we did. Were you even started to have having

696
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: photo shoots on set, so like we'd be shooting in

697
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: the middle of the day when you could, you would

698
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: grab us to a different stage that connected, and we'd

699
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: have to change hair and makeup and pop in for

700
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes or ten minutes whenever they were like turning

701
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: around on camera coverage in the scene we were shooting,

702
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: and we'd go And that happened several times where then

703
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: we'd go in and shoot whatever story we were doing

704
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: and then run us back and you were just like, Yep,

705
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: this is how it's happening now, because we don't have

706
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: any other time, and we.

707
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: Not have them work on Saturday, so maybe we can

708
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: just have them work during and like right, do it

709
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: in between. But yeah, we would. We would totally did that.

710
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I have so many memories from the photo shoots.

711
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: I remember the very first one we did, Kevin, I

712
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: don't think you were there. I was like Leah, Diana

713
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: mean Amber and Corey I can't remember. We were in

714
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: some club at ten in the morning.

715
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: It was I remember those photos.

716
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like.

717
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: Life and Style or.

718
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Like yes, that's right, yes.

719
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: And that was before you guys premiere, So that was

720
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: like a free, like.

721
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you know. I mean, all the big ones

722
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: really stick out, and all the Fox events always like

723
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: stick out to me because it was like family, you

724
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You go and you see all

725
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: the other talent from Fox shows, and all the teams

726
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: were there, Missy, Pam, You, Chris, Joe, like everybody was

727
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: always there, which was nice too. They were just familiar events,

728
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: which I liked.

729
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: Obviously. The Oprah Obama weekend was nuts.

730
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: That weekend was amazing. That was the weekend that went

731
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: down in history because we did Saturday, we went to

732
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 4: Oprah and then Sunday you guys were performing for Obama.

733
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: Like it was literally one of the craziest weekends.

734
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: I got.

735
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: All the Fox showed up. I was like, oh, so

736
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: now you're here jumping.

737
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: In the photo with Obama. Were like I wasn't on

738
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: the list, but I was like, I'm gonna try to

739
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: sneak in here.

740
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Yes you do, Yes, you do.

741
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 4: I remember too, like the World Series game, I guess,

742
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 4: and like Biden was there.

743
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: Do you remember we came down and hung out with us.

744
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I remember you guys being in that

745
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: room and you guys were like going around like playing

746
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: some game about like who's going to be the first

747
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: one to like get married, or who's going to be

748
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: going to get a movie? You know, who's the first

749
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: one that's going to get arrested? And like, you, guys,

750
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: I don't know what the answers any of those were.

751
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: But we loved a game. We loved the game.

752
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure did in so many ways entertain ourselves. I

753
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: remember it was rained out. There's a rain delay, yes,

754
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: and then Biden was down there with us and.

755
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was crazy. Oh my god.

756
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: Do you have any favorite events, like do you have

757
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: any or hectic times, like anything that stick out to

758
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: you about a lot of the crazy stuff we had

759
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: to do.

760
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, the my one of my favorite memories was

761
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: when Janet chose a sn L and I was like

762
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 4: I didn't need to go, like my boss, like I

763
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 4: could have just gone for like Friday, Saturday, you know.

764
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 4: And I was like to my boss, can I please

765
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: go on Monday and like do the whole week with her?

766
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: And she was like Okay, so yeah, ago and it

767
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: was like the memory of a lifetime. I mean, I

768
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: remember Monday night showing up with Jane and they were

769
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: like Lauren michaels Is on his way up, like you know,

770
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: he was almost like, you know, a president or something

771
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 4: at the time. Totally he gets up there and they

772
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: start like throwing out ideas and this was the days

773
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: of like I think it was like Andy Samberg and

774
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: Jason Sudeikis and Kristen Wigg and it was just like

775
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 4: a it was a really really.

776
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: Fun week just to be around ya.

777
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: I Mean, I have so many times where I'm like,

778
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: you know, I I was like a kid from Florida

779
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: that grew up like moved out to La you know.

780
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: I don't know how I ended up being a part

781
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 4: of the show and making just like the memories of

782
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: a lifetime. And even though I was in the background,

783
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: and I still appreciated, you know, every single thing and

784
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: tell my friends and people about it all the time.

785
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: So it's definitely something that like shape my life, and

786
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: I know it shaped yours too, and just it was hard,

787
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: but it also was like really really fun and.

788
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: You worked so much. So I'm just thinking, like I

789
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: think it was easy for us to take for granted,

790
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: like you're always there. We were used to the hours

791
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: we were working, but like you were always there.

792
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: I worked a lot. I had no life and then guys,

793
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: guess what. Six months after Glee wrapped, they're like, hey,

794
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: we have another music show. It's called Empire. And I

795
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: was like, oh my, there's no way this show is

796
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: going to be like Glee. So it's fine, you know,

797
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: I'll like, you know, I'll figure it out. I'll be

798
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: able to like work life balance. And then it premiered

799
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, this is Glee.

800
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: So I was you know, it was we've just done

801
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: this before, we can do it. Yeah.

802
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: I had pretty much. I worked for like probably eight years,

803
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: like a good eight years where I didn't have a

804
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: weekend or oh.

805
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: My god, I'm maybe now though good Oh my god,

806
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: you I mean you mentioned Pam earlier YouTube. Pam Jackson

807
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: was international pr at the studio and last year she

808
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: passed away. But she was just everybody's favorite, just like

809
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: the best human in the world. And I remember being

810
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: on the mall tour and her calling me outside of

811
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: some airport to pitch me the trip to Australia that

812
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: we took right after, because she was like, do you

813
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: think we get everybody to agree to fly premium economy

814
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: and not business? And I was like I think everyone

815
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: would like coach, like what do you what do you mean?

816
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: Like we're so new, we're flying first class for like

817
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: the first time right now on this little tour, so

818
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: like I think, and then that trip was just unbelievable,

819
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: and she took us you know, she was like your

820
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: counterpart for everything outside the US. But she was also

821
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: around all the time on set, and I mean, did

822
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: you guys work closely together too, because of I imagine

823
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: you did, because it's coordinated strategy. But she was also

824
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: just the best.

825
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: She was just the best. Like her laugh and like

826
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: she would just hug me and I was just like

827
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: and she would just laugh and it would just like

828
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: put it all into perspective. She was just the best.

829
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: And she did oversee international and had like a lot

830
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 4: of responsibilities outside of the US, especially because Glee was

831
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: such an international phenomenon. But she's still like any events

832
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 4: that we had, she would come and help Kris and

833
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: I on the red carpet, helped cover you guys. She

834
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: would come to set with us. I mean, she loved

835
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: you guys, and she loved that show so much. Like

836
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: she she would be way better at this interview than

837
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: I would. She she would. You know, she was so

838
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: good at at everything she did, and you know, we

839
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: all we all loved her at Fox.

840
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: She was a beloved yeah, a dear friend, such a good,

841
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: so good at her job. She just liked she was

842
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: the best.

843
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: And it is very much beyond just a job. Like

844
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: from the very beginning, it was like Mama, Pam's going

845
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: to take care of us. Yeah, Like I don't think

846
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: this has anything to do with international press, but I'm

847
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: so happy here here here, Yeah.

848
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 4: I know That's how I felt with her too. I

849
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: remember actually, like when I when I walked up to

850
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 4: Corey's memorial, she was the first person I saw and

851
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 4: she gave me a hug, and that's when I like,

852
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 4: just let go. She was just a mom figure. I

853
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: don't writ how she did it to everyone, but she

854
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: was just so loving and she did really care and

855
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 4: she was really like friends with you guys.

856
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: On that note, we ask everybody on the show, what

857
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: is the feeling that Glee leaves you with.

858
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: Say nostalgia, I would say, just that feeling in your

859
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 4: gut that like it was something so good and so

860
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 4: special and you know you wish you could just go

861
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 4: back and not do it. Over again, but just you

862
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: just want to be back in that moment and just

863
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: remember it and just how grateful I am that I

864
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: got to be a part of it.

865
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: We're so lucky that you were involved too, I know.

866
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: And it's just so good to see you. It's been

867
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: so long. I'm so happy for you, guys.

868
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: I mean, this is awesome, like really awesome, and and

869
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: I love seeing you with the baby and just having

870
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 4: the lives and going to the White House still and

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Speaker 4: still doing better.

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Speaker 2: Believe I taking my parents who I was like, I said,

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Speaker 2: this is where we took the picture where the Obamas

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Speaker 2: that's the long way hung out with the dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you guys so much for even

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Speaker 4: inviting me on to do this. I really was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same without you, so we had

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for doing this and for

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Speaker 2: sharing all those memories and the lists of all the

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Speaker 2: things that you got to like you got and did

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Speaker 2: for the show. And there's a lot of like unsung

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Speaker 2: heroes that went into making that show what it was

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Speaker 2: and you are definitely up there.

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Speaker 4: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking care of us and all your incredible

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Speaker 2: work in friendship. Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Glee would not be the same without Tracy and without

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Speaker 1: all the amazing peer people that she mentioned that worked

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Speaker 1: so tirelessly for this show, just like there's literally took

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Speaker 1: a massive village to make this show run.

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Speaker 2: The way, and she was the head of that on

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Speaker 2: the ground, like she every red carpet, every photo shoot,

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Speaker 2: every interview, she was there making sure everything was okay,

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Speaker 2: setting the parameters for how these things were happening, controlling

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Speaker 2: everything and it was like a masterclass. And she just

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Speaker 2: was twenty nine and doing all of that. It's and

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Speaker 2: I mean shout out to her bosses for also like

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Speaker 2: giving her the reins and letting her do that and

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Speaker 2: trusting her to do it because she was great at it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much Tracy for coming on taking

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Speaker 1: the time to chat with us, and yeah we are

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Speaker 1: we are nothing without you, no.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking care of us like kindness goes a

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Speaker 2: long way, you know, and hard work. Thank you, Tracy,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for listening everyone, And that's what you

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Speaker 2: really missed, se Yah, thanks for listening and follow us

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Speaker 2: on Instagram at and that's what you really miss pod.

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Speaker 2: Make sure to write us a review and leave us

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Speaker 2: five stars. See you next.

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Speaker 4: Time