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Speaker 1: Please welcome to money Making Conversation for the very first time,

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Speaker 1: and I'm happy to have it on the show. Miss

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Speaker 1: You've got all that information. That's a lot of information

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Speaker 1: you dropped in. Well, you know, first of all, you know,

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