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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Lucky number seven, that's what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, on.

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Speaker 2: This seventh day of August twenty twenty three. My name

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Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas, and welcome to like my crooked ass

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Speaker 2: It's Morning Combat on this seventh of August twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: My name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 2: your hosting duo. I join you from the capital of

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Speaker 2: the status of Needles right here in Washington, DC with

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Speaker 2: one of several Canadian correspondents that we have, but this

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Speaker 2: I got none of that, but here he is. It's

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Speaker 2: Shack MAJORI Hi Jack, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Luke.

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Speaker 3: camp Well.

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Speaker 2: The secret to BC is that he doesn't have any

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Speaker 2: Lot to get to today, believe it or not, because

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Speaker 2: UFC Nashville did not really go as expected for I

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Speaker 1: Top of it. Shack, are you on TikTok?

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Speaker 3: You know what, My wife is very active on TikTok.

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Speaker 3: My clips aren't clicking like yours. Man, I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: post there, I'm not getting any traction. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Dude, I had one so like the thing about TikTok is,

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Speaker 1: So it's been a little bit of a weird.

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Speaker 1: It's not that hard on TikTok. You can it?

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Speaker 2: So let's start with topic number one, which is gonna

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Speaker 2: be the biggest fight of the weekend. Didn't say best,

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Speaker 1: Right. We were in this at the beginning to see

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Speaker 2: Not that say your tone is negative, but I just

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Speaker 2: Mission accomplished. The the MMA fans and in particular the

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Speaker 2: He needed a big name to get right, to get

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Speaker 2: in time, and Shaq, both of them got it.

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Speaker 1: But he needed this right.

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Speaker 3: I'm just typing to see Nate get money. That guy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably pretty fair ultimately, so it leads me

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Speaker 3: I'll give it a B like there was you know,

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Speaker 3: Nate didn't get seriously hurt in there. I'll give it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it wasn't Spence Crawford. Right, we could

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Speaker 2: it was fine, right, It's fine. You know, it was

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy for him, Like it's been long overdue

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Speaker 2: I'm happy for Nate Diaz on this Monday morning. But

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Speaker 2: Nate surged a little bit later. Obviously, he got dropped

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Speaker 2: So it's something of a moral victory in that sense.

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Speaker 2: But here's the part that really stands out to me

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Speaker 1: But the level of.

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Speaker 2: But where does the Jake Paul experience go from here?

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Speaker 2: We're both agreeing that getting right by beating Nate Diz

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Speaker 3: It has to be either the winner or the loser

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Speaker 3: of the KSI Tommy Fury fight that's happening this later

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Speaker 1: Also, if you look at the.

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Speaker 3: Pay per view buys for his recent fights, you know,

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Speaker 3: And then you add a huge optick for the Tommy

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Speaker 3: every single fight. Luke sure, I believe you that the

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Speaker 3: And you always talk about a morning combat that the

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Speaker 3: Jake Paul Ksi, they don't like each other. Logan Paul

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Speaker 3: is you know obviously Jake's brother business partners with KSI.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of juice to squeeze there if Tommy

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Speaker 3: Fury wants to do the rematch. It was a split

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Speaker 3: there is something you can kind of sell there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this.

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Speaker 3: I may have brought it up to you last time, right,

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Speaker 3: but in December there's this YouTuber Ludwig and he had

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Speaker 3: basically I've now, I don't know if you're aware of this.

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Speaker 3: It's chess boxing, so it's alternating rounds of boxing and chess.

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Speaker 3: It's the dumbest thing on Earth, but that thing got

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Speaker 3: like three million streams over three hundred thousand concurrent viewers.

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Speaker 3: I think the YouTube sort of like gen Z audience

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Speaker 1: So I'm mostly in agreement with that. I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's either gonna be KSI or

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Speaker 1: You haven't heard this, but or maybe you did.

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Speaker 2: But I've Scott Christo, he runs a good boxing site

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, he gets shipped from boxing. Fans were like, hey,

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Speaker 2: if you cared as much about Emmanuel Neverrette taking on

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Speaker 2: But the point being is for us, Jake Paul picked

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Speaker 2: especially when he flat lined You're right that the second

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Speaker 2: and that highlight like wow was huge, and so then

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Speaker 1: So now between Askrin.

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Speaker 2: Which you know he never really took seriously as a

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Speaker 2: it's pretty clear that any aging veteran who's even capable

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Speaker 2: And but the other part is here Shack is he's

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Speaker 2: slowly going away. To your point, I feel like if

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Speaker 2: he could potentially do. They're both competitive and they're big

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Speaker 2: enough fights, but like, how much longer can Jake bait

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Speaker 2: they would. What kind of pay per view buys does

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Speaker 1: Ooh, that's interesting. I see.

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Speaker 3: I wish I knew how many pay per view buys

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Speaker 3: It would certainly do more than the Anderson Silver Fight,

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Speaker 3: I think that's undoubtable. Tommy Fiery did I think roughly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a lot of numbers. Clearly, I'm not

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Speaker 2: like that, So.

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00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: I just don't know.

438
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 2: But I guess the point I'm trying to make is, yes,

439
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: there might be some names like that, but no one's

440
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: bringing that up. He's not even bringing that up. No

441
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 2: one seems to be chasing and so that's not there.

442
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 2: I know that he was having the back and forth

443
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 2: with Connor McGregor, but again, Connor is under contract with UFC,

444
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 2: so that's just not gonna happen really anytime soon. My

445
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 2: point is that rivalry with UFC appears to be I'm sorry,

446
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 2: not with UFC, well, somewhat with UFC too. Actually, Like,

447
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 2: here's the funny part about it. Dude, Dana, why did

448
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 2: the UFC Nashville thing. I don't even know if he

449
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: did the postfight presser. I'm assuming I know he was there.

450
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 2: Did anyone even ask him about Jake Paul? I mean,

451
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure there must have been one or two questions,

452
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 2: but it wasn't even a big thing, right.

453
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: So we're gonna probably get to it with the next

454
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 3: topic a little bit.

455
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: I was on vacation, so I didn't.

456
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 3: See the post fight presser, but I saw reports that

457
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 3: Dana White actually left during round four for of Corey Sanhagen.

458
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if you ever made it that.

459
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe he didn't. I don't know in the end,

460
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 2: but okay, so let me ask this. Then let's turn

461
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: the conversation over to Nate Diaz. It is my belief

462
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: and it sounds like it is yours that this loss

463
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: didn't really cost him. I mean, it doesn't look great losing,

464
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: but none of his fans, who really like him for

465
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: who he is, I think, are going to hold this

466
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 2: against him. So A, can I get you to comment

467
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 2: on that, whether you agree, and then b all right,

468
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,239
Speaker 2: let's set this up based on what he said and

469
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: based on what everything that worked here, what is next

470
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 2: for Nate Diaz.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think his stock dropped at all. I

472
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 3: think fans knew what they were getting into with this one.

473
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: It sounds like his intentions are to go back to

474
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 3: the UFC. I know him and Dana White sort of

475
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: have a contentious relationship when it comes to negotiating, but

476
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 3: they seem to sort of like each other on a

477
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 3: personal level. Dana had nothing but nice things to say

478
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: about Na Diaz on the way out. Nate Diaz really

479
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: propped up the UFC in his post fight speech after

480
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 3: beating Tony Ferguson. He's probably headed back there now. Maybe

481
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 3: there is enough drive after this huge payday that he

482
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: might look at doing some other sort of boxing crossovers.

483
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: If there's names, because we know that the high end

484
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 3: of boxing pays a lot more than the high end

485
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: of UFC and MMA.

486
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Speaker 1: Overall, it's possible.

487
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Speaker 3: I know we've been kind of talking about Nate and

488
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: Jake running it back in MMA. I imagine that cannot

489
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: happen in the UFC because Jake Paul has signed with MMA.

490
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: I wonder if Nate has sort of an allegiance to

491
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Speaker 3: the UFC that's going to prevent him or sort of

492
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: deter him from going to PFL. But I know it's silly,

493
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: but I think there's enough intrigue as to, you know,

494
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: how someone like Nate Diz can sort of bridge the

495
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: boxing experience and the size and the strength and the

496
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: age in a sport like MMA where he has a

497
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: much more well.

498
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: Rounded skill set.

499
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: If I'm the one making the decision, I think Diaz

500
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: versus Paul and MMA is sort of the direction we

501
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 3: could go, or else I think they'd headed back to

502
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: the UFC and hopefully they.

503
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: Can just kind of give them some like fun legend

504
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: versus legend fights.

505
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta tell you, I don't get the Paul

506
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: versus daz An MMA thing. Like, first of all, let

507
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: me just say this, I'm not even I mean, okay, well,

508
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: Texas exists, so this is debatable, but it would at

509
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: least be questionable to me about whether or not you

510
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: could even get this sanctioned by a commission. Right, So

511
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: you're talking about a guy who's got vast MMA experience

512
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: versus a guy who has got none, Right, And you know, yes,

513
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: he's got combative athletic experience and some like valuable ones.

514
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, going the distance with Anderson Silva

515
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: is valuable. That's not nothing, But you get what I'm saying.

516
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: We're just talking about a guy who's got no combative

517
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 2: experience in any of the other things in any measurable way.

518
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: On whatever he did in high school, it just doesn't

519
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: really prepare you for a guy like Nate Diaz.

520
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know they would sanction it.

521
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: Moreover, even if they did, even if they did sanction it,

522
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: is there any doubt about how this would go you

523
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: kind of thought, well, Jake's gonna win in boxing, maybe

524
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: Nate can sneak one out late, and again he had

525
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: a moral victory in the end, kind of surging there

526
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 2: a little bit towards the end. But in MMA, it's like, dude,

527
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: this is a done deal. Like there's just almost nothing

528
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: that Jake Paul could do to make that fight competitive

529
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: at all. So I don't really get that. I mean,

530
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: here's here's where I'm at on this one, Shack. I think,

531
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: if you're Nate Diaz, who's not too far from forty

532
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 2: at this point, you have to ask yourself how many

533
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: big fights are out there? How many big fights do

534
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: I have left?

535
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Right?

536
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: How many big fights do I have left? Jorges gone,

537
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: so there's no BMF rematch. You would think the Connor

538
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: fight would be available, that's something you could do. I

539
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: don't think they do the Leon Edwards fight, but one

540
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: never knows. I mean, again, that seems deeply unlikely. But

541
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: you know, there's just if you're if you're actually asking

542
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: which fights are available to Nate where you could get

543
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: a shit ton of money. The Paul one in MMA,

544
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: should he decide to go, That direction does exist, But

545
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: I just don't know if you could really sell the

546
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: audience on it in a big way. Whereas with the

547
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Connor fight, even if the UFC took a bigger cut,

548
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: you just know that's a guaranteed bonanza. It's a guaranteed bonanza.

549
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: And if you've got a finite time left in the sport,

550
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: why would you waste it doing things of questionable value.

551
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if there's legitimate interest in booking and

552
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 3: adis versus Connor McGregor, I shouldn't even say interest if

553
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: there's a legitimate path to doing it. Because we've been

554
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: talking about Connor McGregor fighting all year and we're no

555
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: closer to it happening now than when we were when

556
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: UFC first announced Connor McGregor versus Michael Chandler. So I've

557
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: kind of checked out of Connor. Uh, you know, I'll

558
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: believe it when I see it. I look forward to it.

559
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: But if your Nate, I think you kind of have

560
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: to ask yourself, or at least you have to talk

561
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: to ufcen being like, is Connor going to fight again?

562
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: Can you make any promises to me that Connor McGregor

563
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: will fight in this timeframe? You will book him against me.

564
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: If so, that's the direction to go. I do think

565
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: you might be under estimating the interest in Paul versus

566
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: he has an MMA. And I say that after going

567
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: on this little retreat with my friends that I talked

568
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: to you about earlier today, the casual sort of consumer

569
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: of these Jake Paul fights, they don't know a like

570
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: about combat sports, right they were. The reason it's worked

571
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: is because they hear multi time MMA champion Ben Asker,

572
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: Now he must be Jake Paul, UFC champion Tywern Woodley,

573
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: he must be Jake Paul. I think the caveat of

574
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: putting it into MMA. When I was watching this Jake

575
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: Paul fight, I had people walking up to me who

576
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: don't consume combat sports at all, like, oh, that's Jake Paul.

577
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 3: They know Jake Paul, they don't know Nate Diaz, and

578
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: they asked, well, shouldn't the UFC guy be beating the

579
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: breaks off of Jake Paul. This consumer, this sort of

580
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 3: genre's targeting. Isn't the majority shareholder that's interested in this,

581
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 3: I don't think knows a ton about MMA. And considering

582
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: the fact that Jake Paul won in boxing, saying, you know,

583
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: here's this guy who's been whooping on UFC fighters and

584
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: MMA fighters in boxing. Now Jake is gonna try and

585
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: do it in their own sport. There's probably enough of

586
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: a sort of side show interest in it. And if

587
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: you're a fan who's been waiting to see Jake Paul

588
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: get slept, wouldn't you want to see Nate Diaz choke

589
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: him out? Like, isn't this the perfect opportunity to finally

590
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: make good on all of that time you've invested fight

591
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: after fight, go in to bed disappointed, waking up depressed

592
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: that your heroes are all getting whooped by Jake Paul

593
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: the YouTuber in a boxing ring.

594
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: This is your chance for redemption.

595
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 3: So I think there's a casual audience who doesn't really

596
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: know what's going on. I think there's probably an MMA

597
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: audience who wants to see Jake Paul finally lose, and

598
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: the fight would, at least I think be more interesting

599
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: than let's say Randy Couture versus James TONI back in

600
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: the day where you have an all American wrestler, just

601
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: take the guy down right away, sleep them. I think

602
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: Nay Diaz traditionally, you know, he shoots like one takedown

603
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: for fight. That's not He's not going to try and

604
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: go out there and immediately double Lecgaic Paul. He's gonna

605
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: try and make it fun. I think, at least aesthetically,

606
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: it'd be more pleasing than some of the other boxing

607
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: MMA crossovers we've seen in MMA.

608
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess.

609
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you're definitely right that the typical consumer for

610
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: this is just not really a fight fan, right, They're

611
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: just people who are sort of pop culture fans, and

612
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: this is how they're assigning their time with it is

613
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: to watch stuff like this. I buy that completely. At

614
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: the same time, it's like, I don't know, I don't know.

615
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: I uh, it's okay to be sad, Luke, it's not

616
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: even I'm not even sad about the Only thing that

617
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: kind of stands out to me about this is you

618
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: could be right about this fight in MMA. I I

619
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: don't know if they're do in the PFL ten million guarantee. Again,

620
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: if the whole goal of this one was to get

621
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 2: a pay day, why would it change for the next one.

622
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: I understand that argument.

623
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Too, I do.

624
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: I would want to see what commission sanctions it and

625
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: under what rules. But Texas yeah, I mean, but Texas

626
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: is like you know, I mean, they don't give a shit,

627
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Like they'll just sanction just about anything. So you know

628
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: that you couldn't do it in probably New York, right,

629
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: you couldn't do it there. You couldn't do it in California,

630
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: But could you do it in Texas or Florida? Maybe?

631
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: The thing I'll say about it all, like like to

632
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: kind of wrap up here a little bit, is, over

633
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: time I've kind of wondered, like what damage would it

634
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: do to the sport for MMA guys to keep getting

635
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: clobbered by Jake Paul because it keeps happening, you know,

636
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: and in the end, like, didn't they take this all

637
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: that seriously?

638
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: No? Is he a one eighty five fighter? No?

639
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: You know, is he a box or no? But with

640
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: the like with Woodley, it was like, okay, well he

641
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: was an All American wrestler, but it wasn't really a striker, right,

642
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: so it really kind of limits what you can say

643
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: about him an Askrin you know he had just retired

644
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: or whatever, like this was completely a separate situation.

645
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: I'll see.

646
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: Ascream was an esteemed athlete in his own world and

647
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: wrestling during his time but you know, Silva was a

648
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: striker and didn't just have finishes with his legs. He

649
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: had finishes with his hands as well. And Nate most

650
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: of his finishes either with submissions or with his hands

651
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: at the same time, like it's his best prowess, and

652
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: here he is getting thoroughly out box. Now I know

653
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: what the truth is, which is that MMA boxing is

654
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: just radically different than regular boxing. But that doesn't matter

655
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: to the average consumer. To the average consumer, do you

656
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: worry that there is some kind of cost to be

657
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: paid for watching MMA fighters getting beat up by a

658
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: guy who couldn't beat Tommy Fury.

659
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I think that was the initial fear when this all

660
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: started happening.

661
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm not exaggerating. I remember watching the Ben Askrim knockout.

662
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: I remember watching the second Tyre in Worldley knockout loss.

663
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: And I went to bed and I woke up feeling

664
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: as bad as I did when I was binging, breaking bad,

665
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: Like it was just so moralizing to see this happen

666
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: to the sport that I love. But UFC is continuing

667
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: to like sell out arenas were. You know about a

668
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: month away from UFC two ninety three. There's no main

669
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: event announced. As far as I'm aware, the UFC brand

670
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: is very strong. People are turning out for these shows.

671
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm not super worried about it. I think the fans

672
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: who know know, and the fans who are tuning into this,

673
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: and they're not regular or even semi regular consumers of

674
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: MMA or boxing, I don't think they really care. I

675
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: think they're here for the cultural experience of it. I

676
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: don't know what has I don't know what evidence there

677
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: is since this Jake Paul experiment started to now to

678
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: show me that the impression of MMA has drastically changed.

679
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: And please, for the love of God, no Nick.

680
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: Diaz versus Jake Paul. I can't see that happen to

681
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: my guy.

682
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was there saying he was looking to fight

683
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: one of the Paul brothers. I don't know if that's that.

684
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: That seems like that could.

685
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: Happen, right, Yeah, I mean it's we kind of ignored

686
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: it throughout this topic. That's probably the easiest fight to

687
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 3: make if you want to make it. Next he is

688
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: of a similar size to Jake Paul, so that's nice.

689
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: But man, do you have any confidence after that absolute

690
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: drubbing he took from Rubby Lawler and it wasn't just

691
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: the fight, it was the condition in which he came in.

692
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 3: It was the retirement light in the fight, like he

693
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: did not look like he wanted to be there, and

694
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: that's not who you want to match up with. A

695
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: young heavy hitter, and Jake Paul Logan Paul is probably

696
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: is certainly the worst boxer of the two Paul brothers.

697
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: If anything, I would maybe consider pairing that one up,

698
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: but at least but the problem there is Logan Paul

699
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: is also bigger than Nick Diaz. We kind of go

700
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: through this whole size age thing all over again. But

701
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: in no world am I ready to see Nick Diaz

702
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: gets slept by Jake Paul. Yeah?

703
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: I mean I'd say this about Nick Diaz right like,

704
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: so in theory, what you would like about his chances.

705
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't know about the Logan Paul or Jake Paul thing.

706
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how that would go to your point,

707
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: but in theory, in theory with Nick Diaz, you'd get

708
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: a bigger guy who is a crisper combination puncher than

709
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: I think that is pretty fair to say he is

710
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: a more accurate combination puncher. And to your point, it

711
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: look like he didn't want to be there against Robby Lauler.

712
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: I spoke to folks who kind of know Nick, and

713
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: they were saying exactly that, like, he didn't want to

714
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: be there, he wasn't ready for it, he had not

715
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: properly trained, and there were apparently some circumstances.

716
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: That explained it.

717
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: And they are confident that the next time out you'll

718
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: get a different version. I hope that that's true. I

719
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: guess we'll have to see in the end. But to

720
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 2: answer the question that I asked you, Jack, which is like,

721
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: do I worry about the cost, Here's.

722
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: What I'll say about this.

723
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: I cannot detect any evidence that these guys losing in

724
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: the way that they are to Jake Paul has had

725
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: a real effect on MMA. I can't see it. I

726
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: can't prove it. I'm not even saying that it is real,

727
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: but the accumulative weight of it does make me a

728
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: little bit nervous. I guess this is the way I

729
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: would put it. So I'm not here to ring any

730
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: alarm bells. I'm not saying this guy is falling again.

731
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: What would be the tangible, real world evidence that you

732
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: could point to that says like people's faith or interest

733
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: in MMA as a legitimate sport or sport of intrigue

734
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: has diminish by virtue of anyone's participation in Jake Paul's

735
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: boxing bouts, and I don't see any I don't see

736
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: any Nevertheless, it's just a continuously bad look for the sport.

737
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: And I don't love that.

738
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: I guess I don't love that, even if it ends

739
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: up being innocuous or explained away.

740
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't feel good.

741
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm able to as someone who has a vetted interest

742
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 3: in MMA and the careers of these MMA fighters, I'm

743
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: able to sort of like balance the scales, knowing that

744
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: at least these guys are making far and away the

745
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: biggest paydays of careers of their careers.

746
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: That helps me sleep at night. Do I love it? No?

747
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: Do I think it has a tangible impact on the

748
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: perception of MMA. I haven't seen the evidence yet to

749
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: convince me of that. But listen, man, if Nate's really making,

750
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: you know, in the tens of millions, twenties of millions,

751
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: whatever it is, that's enough for me.

752
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: That's more than enough for me.

753
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, let's move to topic number two.

754
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: Let's get to the UFC show. Oh anyway, by the way,

755
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: anyone else you wanted to shout out on the Paul

756
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: ds a man of Serrano like beat up Heather Hardy,

757
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I will say Ashton Silv appears to continue. He has

758
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: continued what I would consider his run as a prospect

759
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: of note, got a long way to go.

760
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: He looks pretty good. He's the he was the most leg.

761
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 2: Well Serrano is the most legitimate boxer on that card,

762
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: but on the men's side, it would certainly be him.

763
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: Shadejah Green continues to look pretty good. Anything else to

764
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: send out to you about that card? I think you

765
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: hit it, hit the nail on the heat man. I

766
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: was covering WWE Summer Slam that night. Who won Summer Slam?

767
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 2: Like with like Logan Paul? Are you talking Logan Paul?

768
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know, Like I don't know who wins.

769
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: He actually had to fly from Detroit to Dallas to

770
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: make it to the end of the Jake Paul thing.

771
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: Logan Paul won. You know it various means, but let's

772
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: not let's not do this.

773
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: Man, I already know people are like, if there's one

774
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: thing I can offer you, MK in Brian's absence is

775
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: even less pro wrestling talk.

776
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: So I'm ready to get that.

777
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, let's go to topic number two.

778
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: We switched down to UFC Nashville. Boy, the fans were

779
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: not happy about the main event, which I guess I understand,

780
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: I do, but not completely okay, So Cory Sandhagan gets

781
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: the job done with a rout of Rob Faughn, but

782
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't really on the feet at least not very much.

783
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: I think nineteen minutes something like that of control time

784
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: was ultimately awarded to Corey Sandhagen. Now we end up

785
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: finding out that he tore his triceep in round one.

786
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: There's a video of him kind of showing his triceep

787
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: and it looks I should say his elbow rather, it

788
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: looks just like an absolute disaster. It looks like he

789
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: got stung by a bee and or head staff and

790
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: or you know, you name it. So you end up

791
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: having to wrestle basically the entire time, and he got

792
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: the job done. The question is this, He stayed on

793
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: the card, he accepted a short notice opponent, a quality

794
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: short notice opponent, and he got the job done, albeit

795
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: in not the most dynamic fashion. So the question is

796
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: this for you, young Shaq. Did this performance seal his what

797
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: do he wants?

798
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: A quest?

799
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: Or did it punch his ticket to a title shot

800
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: at one hundred and thirty five pounds I hope.

801
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: So now there is a caveat to that, and that

802
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: caveat being what is the outcome of al Jamaine Sterling

803
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: versus Sean O'Malley. Right, If Sean O'Malley wins, is Sterlink

804
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: compelled for a rematch Like we've seen algo talk for

805
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 3: a while now about moving up, I'd still be sort

806
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: of willing to put Morob Devolish Philly ahead of Cory

807
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: Sanhagen in the pecking order. The problem is, does the

808
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: UFC really want, you know, wrestling machine Morob to be

809
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: UFC Champion and just spend the next who knows how

810
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: many years just swarming on people and keeping them down

811
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: on the mat and shooting takedowns. I just don't know

812
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: if that's a direction.

813
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: They want to go.

814
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: If you look at the top ten, the only person

815
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: I can think of that the UFC might sort of

816
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: do a favor to is Cheeto Vera if he beats

817
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: Pedro Munoz, and if Sean O'Malley's the champ, if they

818
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: really want to spit Corey sand Dana White apparently walked

819
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: out of that fight in round four. That's the only

820
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: fight other than Rob and Corey that I could even

821
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: fathom the UFC making, because Chido does have that win

822
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: over Shan O'Malley. But I think it should be Corey

823
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: Sanhagan if not Morob. I don't know how you hold

824
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: this fight against him. The guy towards trots up in

825
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: round one. We know that he's generally a very exciting fighter.

826
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: We've seen the head kick knockouts. We've seen the roundhouse kicks,

827
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: We've seen the flying knees. Corey Sanagan can put on

828
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: a good fight. He did tell me that the UFC

829
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: had promised him a title shot if.

830
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: He had beat Umar and Omerghametov.

831
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if that changes once Umar falls out

832
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: of the fight. I do think that the UFC, generally,

833
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: when they tell a fighter, either publicly or privately, who

834
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: are getting.

835
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: The title shot next, they're good at it to a fault.

836
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean that's why we're, you know, potentially getting Leon

837
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: Edwards versus Colby Cummington next. I believe the UFC when

838
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: they put it out there that you are getting the

839
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 3: title shot next.

840
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe it is.

841
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: Dana White leaving. Is it a bad omen that Dana

842
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: White left during the fight.

843
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Yes.

844
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: Is he gonna pull a Luke Thomas and not answer

845
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: texts until he needs something?

846
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: It's possible, But I.

847
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: Really hope that marob Occory gets that title shot next.

848
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't mind the shade.

849
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: This is a show where you can air the you

850
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: can air the grievances. We do that here. It's totally

851
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: fair game, so I appreciate it. Let me ask you

852
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: this before I give you my run on this. We

853
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: understand Dana White making decisions that seem very Dana White.

854
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: Do you give me your judgment call on him walking

855
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 2: out on round four?

856
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: Like, how does that make you feel?

857
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: I'm not thrilled about it. As you know, I know

858
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 3: you're a Cory fan. I'm a Corey fan. He has

859
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: a very cerebral game. He generally has a very exciting style.

860
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: But I mean, who knows, right, I mean, maybe Dana

861
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: had to get to a business.

862
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Meeting or had a blackjack game that he didn't want

863
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: to miss.

864
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: Like there's I don't want to sit here and assume

865
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: the worst but it didn't make me happy, you know it.

866
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: If you're Corey Sanhagen, that probably doesn't give you a

867
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 3: ton of confidence that everything is as on track as

868
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: you may have believed it was well.

869
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: And by the way, for folks who didn't see, he

870
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: posted on Instagram this morning that he's gonna go get

871
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: surgery for his tricep this.

872
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: Week, so out for a while though.

873
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so, I don't know what the timetable is

874
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: going to look like in the event that you get

875
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: some kind of resolution at UFC two ninety two with

876
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: the bantamway title. Let me just say this, it's like,

877
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, I get that if you pay good money

878
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: to go see a fight and the fight ends up being,

879
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, a top control kind of grappling fest, that

880
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: this is ultimately not you know, what you had hoped for.

881
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: I really truly understand that they lost one half of

882
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: their main event. The other guy stays on and then

883
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: badly injures himself in the first round. Now again, how

884
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: much did people know that I don't I don't know,

885
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, stays on the card and then takes on

886
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: a late notice replacement like even if no injury had happened.

887
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: Shack.

888
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: There's this issue like we constantly see it, like John

889
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: Jones against ovin Saint Prux. You can get someone very

890
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: talented if they're having to fight someone else on short notice,

891
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna make them reserved in many, many, many many cases.

892
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: In many cases they're like, Okay, I don't know, I'll

893
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: take this fight. But because I'm adding now a new

894
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: layer of risk, not necessarily worse, but a new layer

895
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: of risk, it makes them more risk averse in general.

896
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: You add the injury to that, and you know, I

897
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: just find the booing to be I understand it. I've

898
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: been around the five game long enough to get it.

899
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: But I'll just never like it. I'll never like booing.

900
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: A guy who did the crowd of favor by staying

901
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: on the and did himself a favor too, but stayed

902
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: on the card to keep it together, took on a

903
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: difficult fighter in Rob font I got the win and

904
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: then his reward for it, as on my Twitter feed,

905
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: he was getting murdered and in the audience getting booed

906
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: for it as a result.

907
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: I absolutely hate that.

908
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: But to answer the question that I gave you, which

909
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: is does it punched his ticket to a title shot. Again,

910
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: we don't really know what the circumstances are in terms

911
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: of what Dana White's enthusiasm is for the bout, but

912
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: I'll say this, the only way he gets a title

913
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: shot is if it ends up being convenient for the

914
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: UFC to give him one. Short of that, I don't

915
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: think he gets one. So we're in a situation where afterwards,

916
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: al Ja man sterling Is, who was in attendance, was

917
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: tweeting like, don't ever accuse me of being boring. Here

918
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: comes Henry Shudo who had his own injury.

919
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: WI was by the way it.

920
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: Had to pull out of his fight with Morob so

921
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: that you know he could heal, and he's out there saying,

922
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, these guys are the most boring people

923
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: on earth. And when you're in a situation like that,

924
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: you know you're it's gonna be real tough. Like the UFC,

925
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: they're pretty good for the most part, you know, Francis

926
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: and John Jones notwithstanding, but in general, they're pretty good

927
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: about putting on the fights that people want to pay

928
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: money to see these historically they have been. But if

929
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: the fans aren't clamoring for Corey Sanhagen to get a

930
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: title shot. Even if we can understand, and many fans

931
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: will as well, this was just an unfortunate series of

932
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: circumstances that led to a you know, a less than

933
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: interesting main event. Doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. That doesn't

934
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: really it doesn't help you. Like ultimately, what matters are

935
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: the results.

936
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: Did you win yes? Did you win spectacule? Yes? Or no?

937
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: Those are the only questions that ever really come into

938
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: mind here. They're not going to give him a title.

939
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised by the way to hear you

940
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: talk about Morob, because I get that Morob has also

941
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: had bouts where the fans weren't pleased, the Jose Aldo

942
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: fight chief among them. But I do think there's a

943
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: lot of interest in Morob. I do think he is surging.

944
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: I do think he is getting better. To me, if

945
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: Sandhagen had beaten Umar and Murgamdev, yeah, they would have

946
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: leap frog Morob. But now Morob is in the sweepstakes

947
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: unless al Joe wins and stays in the division. So

948
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: if al jo is gone, I don't see anyway Morob

949
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: doesn't get a title shot.

950
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: And I hope he does.

951
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: He is the most deserving contender so don't miss I'm

952
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: not trying to, you know, I'm not here picketing against Morob.

953
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: In fact, that would champion him as the one who

954
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: should get it. I just can't help but wonder, like

955
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: what is going through the matchmaker's minds imagining a world

956
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: where Marob Devolish phileas champion. We love to see these

957
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: fighters from Georgia making a stamp in the UFC, but

958
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: it's a it's got the country's got a very small,

959
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: if not enthusiastic population. We're not that far removed from

960
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: the Jose Alda fight that Dana White just absolutely crapped

961
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: all over. I just want to know what happen. I

962
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: want to see a world where Shano. I'd be interested

963
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: in a circumstance where Sean O'Malley beats Aljo. The UFC

964
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: has possibly their number one pay per view champion attraction

965
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: that they could have right now for the mainstream audience.

966
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: Would they would they be compelled or would they be

967
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: excited to risk that against someone like Marov who could

968
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: just drown him.

969
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: I just don't know.

970
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: I feel like Morob isn't best situated. He deserves it,

971
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: but I don't know if long term, he's best for

972
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: business for that DIVI and I hope that's not what

973
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 3: keeps them at Bay.

974
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean, they gave John Fitch a title shot. Now,

975
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: he got whooped by GSP when that happened, but they

976
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: gave him one. Here's my point to you, Like, Okay,

977
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: you don't have to give him the title shot next,

978
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: you could give it to san Haagen or you know,

979
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: maybe they do a immediate rematch if they're so. That's

980
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: the other part too, right, what if Sterling and O'Malley

981
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: ends up in some kind of crazy controversy, they might

982
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: run that one back. But I guess what I'm asking

983
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: you is, how do you deny Morob? I guess what's

984
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: your argument that they're gonna just keep feeding him top

985
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: contenders until one of them beats him and then they

986
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: can just forget about him.

987
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: No, I think they'll give him the title shot. I

988
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: just don't know that if it's really what they want.

989
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: I don't know that they're thrilled. Then Morob is in

990
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 3: the position that he's in right now. But I'm certainly

991
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: convinced after the outcome of this fight, if Aljo is

992
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: removed from the picture, it's gotta be Morob, and there's

993
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: just no one you could give him to unless for

994
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: some reason, like you said, scheduling doesn't work out. I

995
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: think Corey or Cheeto, if Cheeto beats Pedro Munoz, are

996
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: probably in them. But it should be it should one

997
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: hundred percent Berobb.

998
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: I'll say this too about Corey Sanhagen. This is the

999
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: unfortunate part. I mean, he stayed on, He did what

1000
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: he was supposed to do. He gets his win, his

1001
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: show and his win money, even though it's not a

1002
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: real thing, but he gets both parts of his purse,

1003
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: let's say, right, So all that part is great. He

1004
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: stayed active. That part is great. But the problem with

1005
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: this win for him is that it wasn't a showcase win,

1006
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: and that was always gonna be difficult against a guy

1007
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: like Umar number Gemadov or even Rob font those are

1008
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: not easy guys to beat. But because he was injured

1009
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: and because he kind of had to resort to like

1010
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: a B or C order of his game and heavily

1011
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: rely upon it, he didn't get to showcase the kind

1012
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: of improvement I think he's been working on for a

1013
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: really long time. If Morob and I don't know what's

1014
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: exactly gonna be next for him either, But if he

1015
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: has to take another fight between now and then, he's like,

1016
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: just absolutely shines, he's gonna move ahead in the pecking

1017
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: order immediately.

1018
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: Or what about this check?

1019
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: Why not if san Haagan's can get back to competition

1020
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: relatively quickly, and again, I don't know how possible that is,

1021
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: but let's just assume for the sake of argument, why

1022
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: not a Sanhagen and Morob number one contender fight?

1023
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Could you do that?

1024
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: And that's the fight that Sanhagan had been calling for

1025
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: from the get go, and I applaud him for it

1026
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: because there are not many people who would Maybe now

1027
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: that Morob's number one contender, there's a bit more of

1028
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: an appetite, but let's be honest, nobody wants to deal

1029
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: with what Morob the Machine has to offer.

1030
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: I love it, I'm fine with it.

1031
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: The only thing that concerns me about that fight is

1032
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: we don't have a lot of contenders right now who

1033
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: have a legitimate case for a bantam white title shot,

1034
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 3: and I'm not always in favor of killing them off.

1035
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: So you know, Pedro Munnio's Domina Cruz song, you don

1036
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: could get closer. Rob fonts out of it. You know,

1037
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Vera could get closer. Yodo Yan's on a really tough

1038
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: series of losses. Henry s Judo is coming off a

1039
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: loss and is injured. There just aren't a ton of contenders,

1040
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: and I like to make sure that there's enough to

1041
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: keep the division going. But if the timing works out,

1042
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: versus Corey sounds like a great fight to me. That

1043
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: probably gives enough time for Cheetah or Song Ya Dong

1044
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: that sort of worked their way up. So so long

1045
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: as it's not going to hold up the division long term, yes,

1046
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm totally okay with versus Corey if it makes sense.

1047
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough.

1048
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: And also we didn't talk about this at all, but

1049
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: we should rob Font so we had that great win

1050
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: over Adrian Janiez. He used to take this fight. He

1051
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: was supposed to fight Songaong that I fight fell apart.

1052
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: They moved him to this one.

1053
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: Again.

1054
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: He didn't look exactly bad. There were several times he

1055
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: was able to get back to his feet. He had

1056
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: a chmor sweep I think at one point as well.

1057
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: He didn't look bad. He just looked a little bit

1058
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: behind and somewhat overwhelmed by the grappling game of Corey Sanhagen.

1059
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 2: What should be next I think for thirty six year

1060
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: old Rob Font.

1061
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to hold this loss against him. Aton.

1062
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, we spent so much of this segment.

1063
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: Talking about how Corey took on a new challenge, how

1064
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: Corey took on that risk. Rob Font did the exact

1065
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: same thing. He was scheduled to fight in front of

1066
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: his home state crowd in Massachusetts. I think Songa Don

1067
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: got injured. I'm not quite sure off the top of

1068
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: my head, but he was supposed to be on that card,

1069
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: at least initially. He agreed to end his training camp

1070
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: early take on an even higher ranked guy, right, I

1071
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: mean Songya Dong as of Sunday, I don't know what

1072
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: it is now, was number eight in the division, Cory

1073
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 3: Sanhagen's number four, So he took a big leap up

1074
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: on short notice. I don't want to condemn him too

1075
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: much for it. I do sometimes wonder if things like

1076
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: this are sort of in the fighter's best interest. Because

1077
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: we just saw Rob Font bounce back tremendously against Adriananez.

1078
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: It was a chance for him to really start building

1079
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: for himself. That was a huge win for a guy

1080
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 3: who's been struggling lately, and now we're back to Rob

1081
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: Font on a one in three run. Probably I forget

1082
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: whether or not he should be how he should be

1083
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: treated by matchmakers. I think it's his in his best

1084
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: interest to kind of take another step back in competition

1085
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: and just get some rhythm going, because we know that

1086
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: bantamwaite is just an absolute gauntlet as some of the

1087
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: best fighters we have in this sport, I feel like

1088
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: he's still a step behind from the very elite, depending

1089
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: on how you know. I don't have his win lost

1090
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: record off the top of my head, so I don't

1091
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: know who he's beaten who he hasn't beat, but Dominic Cruz,

1092
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: Pedro Muno, someone in that range, or maybe someone just

1093
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: bubbling in the top fifteen would make sense. But I

1094
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: don't think I want to see him fight another top

1095
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: five guy right now.

1096
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, top five, I wouldn't say, But I mean, you

1097
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: could run the again, assuming I mean, here's the good

1098
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: news for Rob font. He did lose, but he did

1099
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: the UFC a solid which they tend to like, right.

1100
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't always work out for you, but

1101
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: it can. We should put it that way. He's currently

1102
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: sitting at seven, Cheeto Vera sitting at six. I know

1103
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: Vera has the fight with Munno's Song and Dongs sitting

1104
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: at eight. If the calendar works out, you could run

1105
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: that one back. Or how about this one. Check Rob

1106
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: Font sitting at seven, Dominic Cruz sitting at night. Cruz

1107
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: is not retired. You could run that one back. That'd

1108
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: be an interesting fight as well, right.

1109
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And Rob Font doesn't possess Adrianians fight side Traditionally,

1110
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 3: he is sort of a three to five round fighter.

1111
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: He likes to work off of that job.

1112
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: He's not always looking in there to kick your head

1113
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: off the way someone like Cheeto Vera is. So I

1114
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: feel a little bit better about Dominic Cruz taking that fight,

1115
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: but that Cheeto Vera loss was so vicious. Dominic is

1116
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: getting up there in age. I think it's clear that

1117
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: he's not going to make another run for that title.

1118
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: The Rob Font one is a good one, and if

1119
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: Dominic Cruz loses that in terrible fashion, you know we

1120
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: might have to reevaluate where dom is. But I think

1121
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: the song at Dong's fight and the Domina Cruz fights

1122
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: are for sure the most compelling and reasonable among the

1123
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: top ten.

1124
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of ways you could go.

1125
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: I don't think a young Yeas rematch makes sense by

1126
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: the way he's fighting Jonathan Martinez anyway, So who cares?

1127
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: Which is a dope fight, which is a sick fight? Yeah,

1128
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not I would never complain about I'm

1129
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: just pointing out. Let me just read the names below

1130
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 2: Rob Font and tell me again. These guys are all

1131
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: paired in different directions, but just tell me which one

1132
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: would be a bad fight? Song Ya Doong, Dominic Cruz,

1133
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: Pedro Munos Umar, Number Made, Ricky Simone, Jonathan Martinez, Adrian Janez,

1134
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: and Chris Gutierrez.

1135
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: Literally literally any one of those. Again.

1136
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: I know that they're all paired in different directions or whatever,

1137
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: but were they all available, any one of them would

1138
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: be good, any one of them. So not too worried

1139
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: about Rob Font. I think the UFC will probably take

1140
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: care of him, given that he took care of them all. Right, now,

1141
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: let's move this forward a little bit. Let's go to

1142
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: topic number three if we can.

1143
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: Here.

1144
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: For the show, which was the co main event for

1145
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: UFC Nashville, Tatiana Suarez gets back to Action, scoring a

1146
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: submission victory of leave in the second round over former

1147
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 2: champion Jessica Onroj and before that had looked pretty good

1148
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: basically the entire time. So Shaq did Tatiana Suarez prove

1149
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: she is not just back, but all the way back.

1150
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: Tatiana Suarez has never been off. The only thing that

1151
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: has given her any trouble in her MMA career are injuries. Right, Like,

1152
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: it's hard to explain. I can't help but imagine that

1153
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: if you're a newer fan to mmas, we know that

1154
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: the MMA fan is a relatively short life cycle. You've

1155
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 3: probably been hearing murmurs about this Tatiana Suarez girl, but

1156
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 3: you probably don't know why right she had You know this,

1157
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: she only came back recently from a three year layoff.

1158
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: Even before that, consistency wasn't great because she's off dealing

1159
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: with all these injuries that she's been suffering through. But

1160
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 3: the people who saw her coming up in The Ultimate

1161
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: Fighter know how good she is. And even though Alexa

1162
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: Grosso wasn't the Alexa Grosso that we've seen today, this

1163
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: is her third win over a UFC champion and what

1164
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: like nine fights a former or future UFC Champion. Tatiana

1165
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: Suarez is the real deal. Right beat Alexa Grosso, Jessica Androge,

1166
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: Carla as Farza, Montella dela Rosa. She can do it

1167
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: in two divisions. Tatiana is sublime, has always had world

1168
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: champion written over her, and still has world champion over

1169
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: her written all over her. I don't know that I

1170
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: want to see a title fight next. Oh feels like

1171
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: we're finally getting the consistency that she needs. And there

1172
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: were a couple of things that sort of troubled me

1173
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 3: in the Jessica Androge fight that we can break down

1174
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: if you'd like.

1175
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: But she's the real deal, dude.

1176
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: All right, So there's a couple of things you said

1177
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: that were interesting. Tell me what troubled you.

1178
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: So one of the things, there's two things that really

1179
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 3: stuck out to me. Obviously I don't have quite your

1180
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: level of analysis, but I'll do my best. You know,

1181
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: I've been watching with Thomas for a while. See what

1182
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: you got. She had a really great understanding of her range. Right,

1183
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: she was either all the way on the outside using

1184
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: her kick, staying away from Jessica Androge's punching power, or

1185
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: she was right up in the clinch where she could

1186
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: use her strength like she didn't give Jessica Andro a

1187
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 3: lot of room to operate, and her instincts are amazing.

1188
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: Her ability to switch between threatening submissions, clenching takedowns, or

1189
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: striking without giving up position is really good. You'll see

1190
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: fighters so determined to get the takedown that they won't

1191
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: open up with their knees or their elbows, But Tatiana

1192
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: has such a great instinct in understanding for her position

1193
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 3: and how to maintain control while kind of moving back

1194
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: and forth between striking and wrestling. The one thing that

1195
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: gave me a little bit of hesitancy is when Jessica

1196
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: started to open up with her strikes and push forward

1197
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: and be a little bit more active.

1198
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: There was some reaching.

1199
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: I feel like she's still a little bit uncomfortable when

1200
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: the pressure gets put on her until she gets back

1201
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: into a advantageous position.

1202
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: So I can't help.

1203
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: But wonder if you were to pair her up with

1204
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: someone like Jean Wai Lady Next, who is just as

1205
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: powerful as Jessica Andrage, but has a more well rounded

1206
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: skill set.

1207
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: Is dialed in better.

1208
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: I wonder if there are I wonder if the pressure,

1209
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: the forward pressure of the offense might get to Tatiyan

1210
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: a bit. I'd like this year, just get a bit

1211
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: more comfortable, and I think that will come with time,

1212
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: because when the fight is going her way, she looks unbeatable,

1213
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: but there were moments where she looked a little uncomfortable, reaching, shooting,

1214
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: a little sloppy, but sort of overcoming that with her

1215
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: understanding of the resting positions.

1216
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: I just wonder what someone like Jean Waylee would do

1217
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: to her if she can't have a cup one.

1218
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: Just one more fight, just one more fight to really

1219
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: tie the whole package together.

1220
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1221
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: I don't think the one more fight idea is crazy

1222
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 2: at all. In fact, I think I would probably agree

1223
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: with that, But I have been I didn't know what

1224
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: to make of Tatiana Suarez's absence for three years, and

1225
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: do three years is.

1226
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: A long time, and it wasn't supposed to be three years.

1227
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: She got injured during the rehab, which then just lengthened

1228
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: everything else.

1229
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: Afterwards, You're just like, dude, that's a lot of time now.

1230
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: In one sense, time was on her side because even

1231
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: after losing that, she's still just thirty two years old,

1232
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: So that's pretty remarkable. And to your point, there was

1233
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: a couple of things that I saw that I didn't

1234
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: love either, Like, for example, the takedown that she got

1235
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: that ultimately led to this submission was almost an accident,

1236
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: like she was, it was a bit of a scramble,

1237
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: and she like goes for like a John Smith low

1238
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: single and then pushes her over and then cuts the

1239
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: corner with her rear end all the way to the

1240
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: other back side. That's a sick way to what I'm

1241
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: saying is that's a sick scramble. But she had to

1242
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: preserve something that almost went sideways. It wasn't like she

1243
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to execute on this and then

1244
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: fully see it through from beginning to end. She had

1245
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: to make it an an adaptation on the fly, and

1246
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: it worked. So like that adaptation is great, But like

1247
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: for example, like when you go to see her like

1248
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: shoot on Jessica androdge on the fence, she got stuffed

1249
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: relatively easily. And in fact, you'll recall in the Nina

1250
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: answer off now Nina Nuna's fight, that was another problem

1251
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: that she had faced there as well.

1252
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: So there do remain some questions.

1253
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: So for the reasons that you raise, I would be

1254
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: okay with her getting another fight, and currently she's ranked

1255
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: at strawweight just a ten.

1256
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: Now.

1257
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: I think she's gonna take a big jump up because

1258
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: Androge is sitting at five. But dude, I gotta say,

1259
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: there was a lot that I liked about that fight too,

1260
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: a lot. You mentioned how she managed range. You're totally right.

1261
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: Those front kicks up the middle right to push her back,

1262
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: keep her on the on the end of the of

1263
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: the range where where Suarez could be comfortable she could

1264
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: stick and move. I'm sure her cardio is really great.

1265
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: And then she was throwing those high kicks to the

1266
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: same side to get that power hand of Androge to

1267
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: stay up because if it didn't, she was obviously gonna

1268
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: let that thing go. So she forced Androge more than

1269
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: normal to holster her big power punch, and I think

1270
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: that had an effect as well.

1271
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: So that was great.

1272
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: Also, dude, like you know, two submissions in a row,

1273
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: two guillotines in a row, I believe, I'm I'm not mistaken, But.

1274
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: This one was so nice. This was such a good one.

1275
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: Where she goes to hit it rolls through so she

1276
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: could take top position. Androge kind of gets out to

1277
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: the side, so she has to recapture, it stays with it.

1278
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: And did you.

1279
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: Notice how far she's able to grab or she's able

1280
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: to grab her middle finger on the other person on

1281
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: their opponent's armpit, all all the way through. So, dude,

1282
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: that's when you know you've got a nice deep front

1283
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: headlock series when you can go all the way and

1284
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: you're grabbing their armpit with your middle finger. If you can,

1285
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: then you can pull them to you. So the whole

1286
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: thing actually ends up having a bit of an effect there.

1287
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: She was able to do that, and then at the

1288
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: end the guillotine choke was was so amazing to me

1289
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: was it was arm in but because she had driven

1290
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: her shoulder and her elbows so deep, it ended up

1291
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: just becoming like a fist here. And then she pulls

1292
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: on her glove and just finishes it off right at

1293
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: the top, like she was able to just switch last minute. Like, dude,

1294
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: I'll say this, her scrambling ability from either the takedown

1295
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: or switching up the subs or working through position is

1296
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: as good as it ever was, maybe even better now.

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Speaker 1: That she can weave in these submissions and like she'll

1298
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: go to her back.

1299
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: It's not quite like a sacrifice throw, but like, you know,

1300
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: if that doesn't work, now you're underneath Jessica Androge who's

1301
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: got heavy ass ground and pound them, and there's a

1302
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: lot of ways this could go wrong. The confidence that

1303
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: she has to go for those, the willingness, and then

1304
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: the expertise to pull that off when it didn't go

1305
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: right the first time, primo to me. But I think

1306
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: what you honed in on is the right sort of consideration.

1307
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 2: There's so many things that I'm really glad to see

1308
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: about her, and not just that she can stay active

1309
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: and compete, but I will say that there's a little

1310
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: bit of polish, maybe just a little bit more polish

1311
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: to your point, where she could uh with one more fight.

1312
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, like you know, if you've been

1313
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: off for a long time, I don't consider that a loss.

1314
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: But like three wins in the calendar year, if she

1315
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: can get that, that's a good audition for a title shot. Right,

1316
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: that's a really three I feel like is the magic number.

1317
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: But the point I want to make is the one

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: you kind of echoed. I share it as well. Just

1319
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more polish, just a little bit more.

1320
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Speaker 2: What I want to see is the takedown that she

1321
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: attempts from the start. I want to see that fully executed.

1322
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: The plan that she has from the get go, I

1323
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: want to see that fully executed. It is awesome that

1324
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: she is back. It is super awesome that she can

1325
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: scramble that. Well, what happens if you don't have to scramble?

1326
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: Can you execute on the A game? That's what I

1327
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: want to see, and I think if we get that,

1328
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: we'll get a lot of answers we're looking.

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Speaker 3: For agreed at the risk of possibly killing off a

1330
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: contender we kind of touched on with Robn Corey. I

1331
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: think jan Jao Nan versus Tatiana Suarez would be the

1332
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: perfect litmus test for both women, and at that point

1333
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: there is no doubt to which one of them should

1334
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Speaker 3: fight the winner of Jean Wayley versus Amandolin.

1335
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Speaker 2: I thought jan Jannan was going to get the title shot.

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Speaker 1: After her last I know to me too, I okay.

1337
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: So she has losses to Marina Hadriguez, who's a very

1338
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: different fighter, and then Carla aspar is also a very

1339
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: different fighter, and the aspar as A loss was back

1340
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. She has another loss all the

1341
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: way back in twenty ten, doesn't really count for our

1342
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: current purposes. And then of course she has the way

1343
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: over Jessica Androge as well as McKenzie during the two fights.

1344
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: That's that's not a bad fight. Tell me how that

1345
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: one goes, you think.

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Speaker 1: I think i'd lean towards Tatiana. Man.

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01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: One thing that really stuck out to me is both

1348
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: Jessica and Tatiana fought at strawweight and women's flyaway. But Dude,

1349
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 3: Tatiana has such a tight and reach advantage in that fight,

1350
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: and I'm not entirely convinced that Yan john N has

1351
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: the scrambling and the takedown defenses or the one shot power.

1352
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: I know she stopped Onraje, but in general to.

1353
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 3: Put forth a far better effort than j Justicavs. I

1354
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: do think it'll be more closely contested. I would lean

1355
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: towards Tatiana, and it's kind of a shame. I think

1356
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: had Rosenhama, U and S stated women's strawweight, there would

1357
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 3: be more flexibility for what you do with Tatiana next.

1358
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 3: But I just don't see if you're trying to move

1359
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: up the rankings. I think it's basically Yan john On

1360
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 3: or Boss at this point. Unless you give one of

1361
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: them the immediate title fight and maybe pair the loser

1362
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: of Jeangwei Lea versus a Mendel Emosh with the other.

1363
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: All right, here's how absolutely batshit crazy things are for

1364
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 2: Jessica Androge. Okay, So in twenty twenty one, she beats

1365
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: Cynthia Kelvey Joe, then she beats Amanda Laimos. She in

1366
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, she was supposed to fight Minafio Row

1367
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: he got canceled. So January twenty first of this year,

1368
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: she fights Lauren Murphy, who I have great respect for.

1369
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: I think she's a very talented fighter. And Androge beat

1370
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: her up pretty thoroughly, is a very easy way to

1371
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: say that. So you're like, damn, Androge is still on

1372
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: top of it. And then since then, so this was

1373
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: her fourth fight already. In twenty twenty three, she loses

1374
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: to Aaron Blanchfield, Yon Channan and Tatiana Suarez. Now, Shaq,

1375
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: anybody who knows anything about MMA is gonna be like, well, Okay,

1376
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield might be the next big thing in women's MMA,

1377
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: probably gonna be a champion. Jan Channan might be a champion,

1378
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: and Tatiana Suarez might end up being a champion. She's

1379
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: not losing to chumps, but three losses, three stoppages after

1380
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 2: starting the year strong.

1381
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: She's thirty one years of age. Is it time to.

1382
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: Hit the panic button on Jessica Androge or not yet.

1383
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: I want to preface this by saying that I will

1384
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 3: never sort of trying to turn a fighter from making money.

1385
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: And when you have been as active as Jessica and

1386
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: drag and as much of a soldier for the UFC

1387
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: as she has been, I'm sure that the dollars are

1388
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: adding up for her in a way where you know, we're.

1389
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: Not talking Connor McGregor money, but in.

1390
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: A way that she can sort of sustain herself and

1391
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: hopefully put some money away in the bank. But if

1392
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 3: we're talking about what is best for your professional MMA

1393
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: career and your status in these two divisions, I think

1394
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: Jessica has been her own worst enemy. Someone needs to

1395
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: tell her in her camp to slow down. Like I

1396
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: appreciate that she entered this Tatiana fight more patient and

1397
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: more mindful and not just trying to like blitz from

1398
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 3: the go, but this is her third loss in six months.

1399
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 3: It's her second time filling in on short notice. While

1400
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 3: jumping between two different weight classes. It's just too much,

1401
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 3: too quickly. How can she possibly make the meaningful adjustments

1402
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: she needs to learn from these losses too, admittedly potential

1403
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 3: future world champions, when she's fighting so frequently, mostly on

1404
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: short notice. If we're talking about Jessica Androge the competitor,

1405
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 3: she and her camp are right now, I think humbly

1406
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 3: doing herself a disservice.

1407
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that slowing down,

1408
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: do not take another fight this year? Right, You've had

1409
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 2: four fights this year, which, by the way, is even

1410
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: hard to get in UFC. And of course, to your point,

1411
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: for example, the Blanchfield fight she took on short notice,

1412
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: and you know, again it's she's not losing to chumps,

1413
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: but she's getting stopped in all of them. That's not great.

1414
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: And I would just say, at thirty one years of age,

1415
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: the thing that stands out to me about her game, shack,

1416
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: is that there needs to be a little bit more development.

1417
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: You know, she's always been super strong and a big

1418
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: puncher and that will carry you far. Look at how

1419
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: much she has done with them. Of course, she has

1420
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: more skills than that. Obviously, I'm saying these are the

1421
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: things that stand out to us. Remember she was strong

1422
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: at bansom weight. She's probably strong as an ox at

1423
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen pounds. But that's not enough. What's

1424
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 2: enough is refinement of skill. If you've got these four

1425
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: fights this year. I don't know what her financial picture

1426
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: it looks like, but to the extent possible, taking a

1427
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: step back, targeting first quarter of twenty twenty four and

1428
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: saying I'm going to really focus on developing my game

1429
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: so that I can maximize my opportunities while you still

1430
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: have a little bit of your prime potentially left. That

1431
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: is much more important than just taking a fight where

1432
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: you might win, you might lose. They are tough. Whatever.

1433
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: You can't afford to do this anymore. You cannot afford

1434
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: to just give opportunities away like this when you're thirty

1435
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: one years of age. Not over the hill. But this

1436
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: is the time in your career when you're supposed to

1437
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: be having the best results. This is the time in

1438
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: your career. We're supposed to be maximizing your financial opportunities.

1439
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like she's doing that.

1440
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very live by the sword, diet by

1441
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: the sort approach, like It's not just that she has

1442
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 3: knock up power. We saw that submission she snatched on

1443
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 3: a Mandelae emotion. She has eight offensive finishing skills, but

1444
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: the defense isn't quite up to snuff, nor are the setups.

1445
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: Like it feels like if Andrage doesn't catch you with something,

1446
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: if she doesn't overwhelm you in some way.

1447
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: She tried to be.

1448
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: A lot more reserved in the first round, and she

1449
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: only really started finding anything resembling success when she started

1450
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: really applying forward pressure at the end of round one

1451
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 3: against Tatiana, And she tried to do the same thing

1452
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: in round two. So it feels like, again, she took

1453
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: this fight so soon that she had the understanding of, hey,

1454
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: I need to slow things down and set things up,

1455
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: but I don't think she has the reps in the

1456
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: gym to execute.

1457
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: That at a very high level.

1458
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 3: Yet we need to see her flesh out not just

1459
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 3: only her defense, but how she sets up and works

1460
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: towards finding the best shots and the best mission opportunities,

1461
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: not just relying on what she knows she can accomplish

1462
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 3: in the fire.

1463
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, let's go to the topic her

1464
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: before it's our last kind of conversation about this hard

1465
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: and it's a really basic and easy question. We do

1466
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: this with b C, so we'll do it with you

1467
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: as well. Topic four, which is all right for any reasons,

1468
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 2: good or bad. Who else Shaq stood out to you

1469
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: at UFC Nashville on Saturday.

1470
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, I'll just fire off a few that I

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 3: want to give a shout out to before sort of

1472
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: highlighting a couple. Cody Dirtan versus Jake Hadley. That was

1473
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: an amazing fight. Hadley had to overcome a lot in

1474
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: the weight cut. I don't know how those guys didn't

1475
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 3: get a fighter the night. Bonus Kyler Phillips is now

1476
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: five and one in the UFC. Only loss is a

1477
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: majority decision. Ludovic Klein looked really great. He's undefeated in

1478
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 3: his last four. There's two I want to really sort

1479
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 3: of highlight though. First is Diego Lopez. He lost on

1480
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 3: the Contenders series and eventually made that very very short

1481
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 3: notice debut. It was like a week or something against

1482
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 3: most starv Levev. He won one round on two of

1483
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 3: the judges' scorecards, nearly submitted the number ten ranks otherweight

1484
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 3: as a debutante on short notice, and that moment, I

1485
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 3: was like, man, I got to see what this guy

1486
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: can do next to turn around and basically snap poor

1487
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 3: Gavin Tucker's arm off in like a minute and a half.

1488
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 3: This guy has a ton of upside and it's so

1489
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: much fun that we're starting to sort of see this

1490
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 3: reemergence of high level submission specialists in MMA. He's already

1491
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 3: attempted like seven submissions in two fights, nearly tap the

1492
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 3: most star tap Stole Tucker. I feel like it's been

1493
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: very wrestling and striking dominated these last few years in

1494
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 3: the UFC, and I'm glad we're seeing some of these

1495
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: jiu jitsu guys start to figure it out.

1496
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: I echo the Diego Lopez one.

1497
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: Gavin Tucker a really great fighter out of your neck

1498
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: of the woods on the other side of the country,

1499
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: but nevertheless a proud Canadian, but a very talented guy

1500
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: as well. And yes, Diego Lopez weaponizes aggressive jiu jitsu.

1501
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: There's just no two ways about it. He takes risk

1502
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 2: I mean a flying armbar and the way that he's

1503
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 2: set there or flying triangle I should say rather, and

1504
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: the way that he set this up, Like, dude, that's

1505
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: risky because if it doesn't go well, There's all kinds

1506
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: of problems that could emerge, but he sticks with it.

1507
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 2: He believes in his jiu jitsu. He is always attacking

1508
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: with it. You have to love that. But I'm gonna

1509
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: give a shout out to some other folks here, Dustin

1510
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: Jacoby stopping Kennedy and zechqu in the first round about

1511
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: a minute and twenty three seconds in with just good counterboxing,

1512
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 2: basically good counter striking off of the pressure. He was

1513
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 2: facing with a guy with an enormous reach advantage as well,

1514
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: and you can see from these like obviously he was

1515
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 2: getting tagged a little bit, but he gets the job done.

1516
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: That stood out to me pretty great. Tanner Bosser, another

1517
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: fellow Canadian, he got back into the winning ways, this

1518
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: time at two hundred and five pounds, so that was

1519
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: good for.

1520
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: Him to see.

1521
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: Kyler Phillips, I think still has some things to work on,

1522
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 2: but to me looks like a prospect that really can

1523
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 2: do special things if he could. I just think he

1524
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: has to spend more time in the gym because everything

1525
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: I see from him, I'm like, Damn, this kid's athletic, Damn,

1526
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: this kid's good. Doesn't quite have that next you know

1527
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: put him away kind of gear to it yet, but

1528
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 2: there's so many things he does really, really, really well.

1529
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: He's still very young. I'm excited to see more from him.

1530
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: The one I have to give a shout out to

1531
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 2: has got to be Billy Quarantillo. This was an awesome

1532
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 2: fight for him against Damon Jackson, close contest. He wins

1533
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: viagnamous decision, although Damon Jackson thought he got it, and

1534
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: this was off of that terrible Edson Barbosa loss where

1535
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 2: he got viciously chaot in the first comes back fights

1536
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: like an absolute dog against Damon Jackson.

1537
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: Shouts with Damon Jackson.

1538
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: He fought hard as well, like both guys really laid

1539
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: it on the line, but too to get flat line

1540
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: like that and then come back out and fight not

1541
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 2: recklessly but aggressively bravely is really really commendable. Tough, tough fight,

1542
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: good win. Way to get back on the winning track.

1543
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 2: If you're gonna get back on the winning track, you

1544
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: do it against a quality opponent with the right kind

1545
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,919
Speaker 2: of competitive spirit, and we got that from Billy Quarantillo.

1546
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: A great win. Luca.

1547
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 3: You know, I know we're all about the dead wrongs

1548
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 3: here and I have to take these because they come

1549
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 3: so few and far between from me. I mean, listen,

1550
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 3: my picks are worse than BC's. He's crushed me at

1551
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 3: cbssports dot Com paper a few picks. But I told

1552
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: you Atson Barboza's got something for Billy Cue the last

1553
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 3: time I've talked, and.

1554
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: You didn't believe me. So I'm gonna I'm gonna take

1555
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: the win the one time I can get it.

1556
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 2: You know, I will say this though, I will say this,

1557
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: We do that, okay, bet thing on Fridays.

1558
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: Now.

1559
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 2: BC did well this past week. He did four and one,

1560
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 2: but your boy went five and oh five and oh

1561
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: you know I'm I suck up with stuff?

1562
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 3: Can I give one more shout out real quick? Cord, Yeah,

1563
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 3: Carlston Harris. Look, he was losing basically every minute of

1564
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 3: that fight against Jeremiah Wells. He even got a ten

1565
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: to eight from one of the judges in round one

1566
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: like he lost ten eight.

1567
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: But much like me and the.

1568
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 3: Tech difficulties on this show, if you just keep trying,

1569
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 3: one of these days, you're gonna get the dub. He

1570
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 3: was so terribly outclassed, but you gotta love the determination

1571
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 3: to overcome. He got whooped on for ten minutes. It

1572
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: was like something like nine minutes and thirty six seconds

1573
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,839
Speaker 3: of control time across those two rounds. But he comes

1574
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 3: back anaconda chokes second time in the UFC. He's put

1575
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: someone to sleep with that choke. He's four and one

1576
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 3: three stoppages. Only lost is the shoft caught Rockmanov. Did

1577
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 3: this fight give me a ton of confidence and what

1578
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 3: he has to offer the absolute elite? No, but we

1579
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 3: got to take these moments and celebrate someone who isn't

1580
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 3: deterred after, you know, dealing with so much adversity. He

1581
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 3: came back strong man. So shout out to Carlson Harris

1582
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 3: and I know that Jeremiah Wells is gonna come back

1583
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 3: better for it.

1584
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremiah Wells still have a high opinion of him,

1585
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: like he's still shot out of a cannon and every

1586
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 2: time he fights.

1587
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: But you're right, dude.

1588
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 2: Now, the Rockmanov fight, I've covered that one in detail

1589
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 2: because I did some tape stutting on Rockmanov. He was

1590
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 2: never really in that one, but okay, Rockmanov is Rockmanov.

1591
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 2: He's maybe he's gonna be a title holder in this

1592
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 2: weight class. And to your point, he beat Impakasanga and I,

1593
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: Jared Good and Jeremiah Wells and Christian Aguilera before that, dude,

1594
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: he's turning in an all right run. And by the way,

1595
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: thirty six like time is, time is of the essence.

1596
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: If you're gonna do something in the sport, this is

1597
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 2: the time. And he's out there getting after you. Gotta

1598
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: love that from him and those guys who just don't quit,

1599
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: you know when they get beat on and whooped, and

1600
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: like he was to your point, what dimension of the

1601
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 2: game was he winning before he ultimately turned it around.

1602
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: He just wasn't.

1603
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: But you make one mistake against a veteran guy like that,

1604
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 2: and that's that's all.

1605
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: It takes no doubt about it.

1606
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to our fifth and final topic

1607
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: here with some of the other MMA results. Now I

1608
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: mentioned Impa Kasanganai Shack and that's so important. How about

1609
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: from PFL whatever number this was over the weekend, PFL

1610
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 2: four or seven, excuse me, PFL seven, the playoffs, Impa

1611
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 2: kasang and I gets a win over Martine Hamley.

1612
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: He stops him at two twenty four in round number one.

1613
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: So they had their one forty five tournament on Friday,

1614
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: as well as their two zero five tournament to decide

1615
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: who goes into the playoffs for the finals, and Impa

1616
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 2: Kasanganai gets it done. Shack, let me remind everyone what

1617
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: had happened. So he had lost to Joaquin Buckley. I

1618
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 2: don't know if the boys have it in the back.

1619
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 2: You guys remember that ko that Joaquin Buckley had in

1620
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: the UFC where the guy caught his kick and then

1621
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 2: he jumped in the air and spun around and then

1622
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 2: knocked the other guy out. Well, that was Impa Kasangai.

1623
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: He viciously, viciously chaoted him. And this was all the

1624
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: way back in twenty twenty of Let's see, that was

1625
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty, a long time ago.

1626
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: He actually won after that in the UFC.

1627
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: Then had he also lost to Carlston Harris by the way,

1628
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 2: he lost to him ground strikes, and then he got

1629
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 2: bounced from UFC thereafter. Okay, he has not lost since then.

1630
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: He beat Jared Gooden, he beat Osama l Sayidi. I

1631
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: don't know who that is in the PFL Challenger card.

1632
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 2: So the PFL had these cards on Fubo TV. He

1633
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: fought on that to basically like earn a spot comes in,

1634
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: beats Corey Hendrix, beats Tim Caron or Koran, and then

1635
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 2: beats Martine Hamlet, who is one of the guys that PFLs.

1636
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 2: So the spotlighted as potentially the future of the organization.

1637
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: I just want to point this out. I want to

1638
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: pitch it to you, Shaq. This is kind of to

1639
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 2: an extent, what MMA stories are on all about. You'll

1640
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: see a lot of guys take bad losses or bad

1641
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: moments in their career, but if they're young enough, you

1642
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: really have to be careful about how much negative you

1643
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: say about it because they can really turn things around later.

1644
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: To that point, Kasang and I only twenty nine years

1645
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: of age. So he was fighting in the UFC when

1646
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: he had a handful of fights, quite literally a handful

1647
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: of fights. He wasn't ready, and now he looks so

1648
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,480
Speaker 2: much better. You gotta feel great for impa Kasang.

1649
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 3: And I, dude, I mean, one million dollars will go

1650
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 3: a long way to washing the bad taste of that

1651
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 3: washin Buckley Knock. I mean even Kanye West made a

1652
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 3: song about it, right, so you gotta love it. What

1653
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 3: I find actually interesting. You know a lot of times

1654
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: people we talk about weight cutting in the sport and

1655
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 3: trying to sort of mitigate the size of advantage that these

1656
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: other guys have. You've seen with like Anthony Rombel Johnson

1657
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 3: the Lake right, like sometimes when you go up and wait,

1658
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: you fill out, it works better for you.

1659
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: He primarily fought as the middleweight. He's gone as low

1660
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: as vaulta weight, but it's a light heavyweight that.

1661
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 3: He's finding so much success, to the point where his

1662
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 3: only three career knockouts have all come since he left

1663
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 3: the UFC. Like we're seeing impa really improve.

1664
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: Is he taking on, you know.

1665
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: A lower level of competition, most likely, but we know

1666
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 3: that the UFC is a pressure cooker. It's a hard

1667
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 3: place for these young guys to get steady momentum. I'm

1668
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 3: so happy for him. And dude, not only is he

1669
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: a knockout machine at this rate, but he's a smart guy.

1670
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 3: He's got something like three degrees. That's three more than

1671
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: I have with you didn't go to collar more than

1672
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 3: Brian has.

1673
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: No college for you, Shack. I've had like a.

1674
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: Diploma, you know, I got like a broadcaster diploma all

1675
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: right right on, Yeah, I failed grade twelve math. I'm

1676
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: here to work, man, I'm not here to learn. I

1677
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 3: learned on the job fair enough.

1678
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: Either way, I completely share your assessment, and it goes

1679
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: back to, like you know, it's a little bit of

1680
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 2: a Goldilocks thing sometimes Now in the case of someone

1681
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,440
Speaker 2: like Jared Cannoneer where he was heavyweight, then light heavyweight

1682
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: and then middleweight, you were like, Okay, well this was

1683
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 2: just about loss. But some guys dude to your point

1684
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 2: about Rubel Johnson. I remember when Rubel Johnson was fighting

1685
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: the Charlie Brenneman's of the World.

1686
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: I was at that fight.

1687
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: It was here in DC like skeletor right right, and

1688
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: it was like, dude, what are you doing to get

1689
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: down there? So everyone has to find exactly the right

1690
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: place for them to get the right results and the

1691
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: right stuff. And I want to say, like, you know,

1692
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: is he fighting a lower level of competition to what

1693
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: he was up against in the UFC. I don't think

1694
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: it's that much lower, to be honest with you, Like, basically,

1695
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: he wasn't fighting the very best in the UFC. Now

1696
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: he's not fighting the very best just yet in PFL.

1697
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 2: But you get the idea, like we've seen some of

1698
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 2: these guys like who is the guy the he lost

1699
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: to Oam Shane Burgos. Shane Burgos beat some good fighters

1700
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 2: in the UFC, and it comes over and like kind

1701
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: of struggling a little bit in PFL to this point

1702
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: at least to be the better guys there. So what

1703
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 2: I would say is it's probably fairly commensurate. Fairly commensurate,

1704
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: I would say some of the juckeing Buckley is a

1705
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: better guy than what he's fought to this point. But

1706
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 2: you're right, it's about developing your skill set, it's about

1707
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 2: finding the right weight class, and it's about this too, Shack,

1708
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: do not rush to the UFC. It is very easy

1709
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: for me to say that because I don't have the

1710
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: financial pressures that these guys have. And I understand, Ah,

1711
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 2: I'll go to the UFC. I'll figure it out once

1712
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: I get there. Some guys can do that, Some ladies

1713
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: can do that, That's true. Most cannot, including a lot

1714
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 2: of good fighters. It is not easy to go to

1715
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: the UFC, win a couple fights. Now you're starting to

1716
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: escalate your career a little bit, and then stick around.

1717
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: If you have not worked on the rest of your game,

1718
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 2: and if you don't even know what the right weight

1719
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 2: class is Anthony Johnson got away with it for a

1720
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: long time because he was just such a dominant striker

1721
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: and power puncher. It didn't really matter so much early,

1722
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: but it obviously mattered a little bit later. So love

1723
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 2: this story for him and he is I want to

1724
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,879
Speaker 2: point this out one fight away from becoming a millionaire.

1725
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: He has a fight with Josh Silvera, who is on

1726
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: this card Shack, the son of Conan Silvera, and he

1727
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 2: got a stoppage as well. I don't know what the

1728
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,520
Speaker 2: odds are going to be in this fight, but Impakasanga

1729
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 2: and I has some pretty good experience to lean on.

1730
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 2: That should be fun. Also on this card of note

1731
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 2: was let's see you had Haesus Pinato defeating Bubba Jenkins

1732
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: in the one forty five tournament. Haesus Pinato, here's another guy,

1733
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: only twenty seven years old, loses to Gabriel Alves Braga,

1734
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: who will all come back to in just a second.

1735
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 2: For the beginning of this tournament, he goes into PFL

1736
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: one for the season, loses, then beats Brendan Lockdan, the

1737
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 2: previous champion, in the first round, and then follows up

1738
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 2: with previous finalist NCAA champion wrestler Bubba Jenkins back to

1739
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: back stoppage wins over back to back either champions or

1740
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: finalist in the tournament, twenty seven years old, now finding

1741
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 2: himself after lou into the John Macdesti's of the world

1742
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: when he probably wasn't ready to be fighting in the UFC.

1743
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually the one I wanted to highlight too.

1744
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 3: And for as big of a celebration as this is,

1745
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 3: it's also sort of the good and bad of the

1746
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 3: PFL system because what I find has happened repeatedly with

1747
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 3: the pfl's playoffs is you'll see an unlikely success story emerge.

1748
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 3: Brendon Laughlin was that last year in a sense. Now

1749
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 3: he gets knocked out, loses all his momentum that hazes

1750
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 3: Pinato and Pakatsagone is going to the finals. There are

1751
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: really interesting stories to tell about how these guys have

1752
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 3: gone from sort of hard times or obscurity to beating

1753
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 3: the very best of their contemporaries in the PFL, working

1754
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 3: their way to a million dollars, But there's nowhere for

1755
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 3: that story to go afterwards, I hope with the sort

1756
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: of super league that they're making because Inevitably, what keeps

1757
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 3: happening is these champions come back to the next season,

1758
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 3: they get knocked out by the next guy that the

1759
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 3: PFL hasn't built up, and repeat the cycle. It's like

1760
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 3: very short doses of oxytocin. I'd love for the PFL

1761
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 3: to figure out a way to take these guys who

1762
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 3: are success stories for them and started marketing them.

1763
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: Into fights outside of the playoff season.

1764
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 3: Obviously, these guys are all gonna want to compete in

1765
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 3: this million dollar tournament. But I'm just feeling this carousel

1766
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 3: cycle of these stories coming up and this opportunity to

1767
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 3: build up these guys, and then it all washes away

1768
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 3: the next time the playoffs come around.

1769
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the exact problem that we're almost

1770
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: in the ten year I mean so ten years ago,

1771
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: right Becau Scott Coger took over in twenty fourteen for Bellatour,

1772
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: so were almost ten years so we're twenty twenty three.

1773
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: So ten years ago, Bjorn Rebney was running into this

1774
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 2: exact same problem. You had guys who had one or

1775
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: advanced in tournaments, like Patricia Pitbull or more commonly Michael

1776
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: Chandler at the time, and he created a division where

1777
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 2: there was like a pool of people on those pool.

1778
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 2: That pool would be the ones who fought in tournaments.

1779
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: But if you ever won it or you were a finalist,

1780
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: you could move on. Because they kept running to the

1781
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: exact same problem. Like, dude, if you fight guys in

1782
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 2: a tournament, you know, it's when they say it's who's

1783
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 2: the best on that night, they mean it, they mean it.

1784
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that the guy who wins is ultimately

1785
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: the better fighter. It could just mean that night they

1786
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: weren't as injured the other guy was. The other guy

1787
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: had some kind of sickness the other guy didn't. And

1788
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 2: that's true in matchmaking for the matchmaker model, but it's

1789
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 2: pronounced into the tournament system. PFL is running into the

1790
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 2: exact same problem. And then Scott Koker comes in, Shack

1791
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: and says, all right, we're gonna do away with this

1792
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: tournaments like we might do tournaments, you know, but we're

1793
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: not going to do them like this. And I have

1794
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 2: to say, Shack, we've been hearing this. PFL might be

1795
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 2: buying Bellator stuff, which I can tell you is it's

1796
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 2: not a done deal as I understand it, but it's

1797
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 2: it's almost certainly going to happen. It seems like I

1798
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: gotta tell you, I like I almost said Strike Force.

1799
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 2: I like Bellator's Grand pre model over the continuous, you know,

1800
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 2: cycle of tournaments that PFL does by a fact of

1801
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: eight billion. I much prefer the grand pre model. Pick

1802
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 2: one weight class for one thing at a time. That

1803
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: seems so much better?

1804
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Does it not so much better?

1805
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: You know?

1806
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 3: The reason I think that the playoff model works in

1807
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 3: traditional sports is because they're such forget the scale for

1808
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 3: a second. You are leaning on your hometown team, whether

1809
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 3: that's the actual city you are from or the city

1810
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 3: that you sort of adopt. For the most part. A

1811
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 3: few fighters like Nadas, maybe Connor McGregor, for certainly are

1812
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 3: those exceptions, these culture personalities that fans sort of really

1813
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 3: fall behind, or a fighter from a market that doesn't

1814
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: have a lot of representation. You know, you'll see a

1815
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 3: lot of fans gravitate around that. But when you have

1816
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: a global sport like MMA, where there's so many fighters

1817
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 3: coming from different parts of the world, it's very hard

1818
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: to get so it's hard it's almost impossible to get

1819
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 3: invested in enough of these fighters that you'll want to

1820
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 3: turn out for the playoff format of the PFL.

1821
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 1: Just to see those guys compete.

1822
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: It just doesn't really strike the same chords that team

1823
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 3: based sports do. So I like there's things I really

1824
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: like about from like objectively forget emotional investment business mind like,

1825
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 3: I actually think there's some really cool things about the

1826
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 3: playoff system. I like how it encourages finishes earlier in

1827
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: the fight. But it's not going to convert pay per view.

1828
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 3: It's not going to convert viewership or buys at a

1829
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 3: rate that you needed to in a sport that's primarily

1830
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 3: driven by name value, rivalies, rivalries and things of that nature.

1831
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 3: Is so I love the grand Free. It always feels special.

1832
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 3: You know, you're always getting the very best in that division,

1833
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: so you can kind of stomach when the person that

1834
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 3: the promotion may have wanted to win loses. There's too

1835
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 3: many variables to the PFL playoff season for them to

1836
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 3: really take that next step. I'm all in favor of

1837
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 3: them adopting a grand Free approach should that purchase the

1838
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 3: Bellator go through.

1839
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: And then, of course, as I mentioned, Hazus Pinedo, who

1840
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: we were just spotlighting, so he now moves to the

1841
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: finals to take on Gabriel olives Braga, the gentleman who

1842
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 2: beat him to start the tournament, so he's gonna get

1843
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 2: a chance at redemption. So he ends up beating Locknan

1844
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 2: Jenkins and then the guy who beat him to start

1845
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: the tournament to win a million dollars at twenty seven

1846
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: years of age. To your point, that's great, but then

1847
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 2: you get him into the next season's tournament and he'll

1848
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: just get washed. He's a good chance he gets washed

1849
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: doing that. It's just the the Bellator Bjorn Revenue experience.

1850
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: Plus what I've seen from PFL tells me the tournament

1851
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: system as they have structured it is where underdogs go

1852
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: to thrive, which is cool for a little while, but

1853
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: then you realize it stops being cool when you.

1854
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: Need names you can promote that people can count on.

1855
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 1: All right, totally.

1856
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 2: Also, also, how about one fight Night thirteen. Did you

1857
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 2: see the bouchet Chev versus rug Rug or Rugrug.

1858
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how you say it.

1859
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: They pronounced it rug rug The Rugrug fight. Just a

1860
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: terrible fight in every way, we can be honest, terrible

1861
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: fight in every way, perfect heavyweight MMA. Here's my takeaway

1862
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: from it. Tell me if I'm off Now, I watched

1863
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Basha compete as a jiu jitsu guy during his prime

1864
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 2: in gi jiu jitsu. I watched him beat Hudelfo Vieta,

1865
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, at endless absolute meetings that those guys had

1866
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: and you name it.

1867
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 1: And he was a force to be reckoned with.

1868
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: I had thought going into this fight that Boushasha was

1869
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 2: raw but good enough now to even like, you know,

1870
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: maybe be the top ten UFC heavyweight if he got

1871
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: the right kind of matchup. I'll go through this fight

1872
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, that's not.

1873
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: True at all.

1874
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 2: He looked like a BJJ guy and not in the

1875
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 2: best way.

1876
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: Ever.

1877
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: There were times he was able to get takedowns. There

1878
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: were times he was even able to get mount and

1879
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: he could not hold position. Boushasha absolutely not ready for

1880
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 2: primetime at all.

1881
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 3: No, No, And it's you know, far be it from

1882
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 3: me to tell any pro athlete what to do. I mean,

1883
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,520
Speaker 3: I'm a scrub in my day to day life, microscopic

1884
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 3: and when it comes to these MMA fighters. But every

1885
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 3: time I talk to McKenzie dren, I always kind of

1886
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 3: try to like poking prod at it, like what what.

1887
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Would serve you better? In MMA?

1888
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 3: As a Brazilian jiu jitsu practitioner elite striking or elite wrestling.

1889
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 3: I've always been at the mindset that a lot of

1890
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 3: the guys that make the transition from jiu jitsu and

1891
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 3: women who make the transition from jiu jitsu to MMA

1892
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 3: overestimate how much they need to improve their striking and

1893
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 3: underestimate how much they have to show up the wrestling

1894
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 3: because these aren't the wild wild West days of MMA.

1895
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 3: All fighters have a great base and they have enough

1896
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 3: takedown defense to stop anything but really advanced wrestling for

1897
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 3: the most part, and your striking is never going to

1898
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 3: sort of reach the level of some of your MMA

1899
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 3: contemporaries who have striked from the beginning. But if you

1900
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: can bridge that gap with just enough good wrestling to

1901
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 3: get those takedowns, you can really start employing your jiu JITs.

1902
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 3: So in this case, I think, you know, Roalbrook obviously

1903
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 3: has a tremendous UH wrestling background. I was he's super strong, right, Like,

1904
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 3: there was no doubt in my mind that he might

1905
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: be able to sort of Derek Lewis's way out of

1906
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 3: some situations. I was surprised that which I couldn't make

1907
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 3: better use of his top control and the submission attempts

1908
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 3: he threw up. But these guys need to get better

1909
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: at their takedowns. They need to get better at their

1910
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 3: top control four MMA and until they unless they do, dude,

1911
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: this is gonna have a tough time sort of breaking

1912
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 3: through solely in the MMA space.

1913
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the rule is you got to have two, right,

1914
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: You got to have two things. You either can have

1915
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 2: wrestling or striking, striking or jiu jitsu jiu jitsu and wrestling,

1916
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 2: or you could say, you know, if you're sambo, obviously

1917
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: you know submissions, whatever, you got to have two of them.

1918
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 2: But if you got just one, you know, yeah, you'll

1919
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 2: beat some guys, especially if that one thing you have

1920
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: you're very good at. But if you don't have the

1921
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: rest of them, like, it's not going to go well

1922
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 2: for you. I will say his name is uh Omar

1923
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 2: Rugrug He is I mean, he's physically probably you know,

1924
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: a nightmare to deal with.

1925
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: I completely understand.

1926
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 2: He obviously has a background in Senegalese wrestling, which is

1927
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 2: where he was kind of discovered. He's a force to

1928
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: be reckoned with, and it would be cool to see him.

1929
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 2: I don't think he can beat anatolely Mallikin in one,

1930
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: but it'd be cool to see him, you know, get

1931
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: a title shot, because I think maybe he's earned it

1932
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 2: at this point. But in the case of Bouchetsha, it's like, dude,

1933
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: you just it's just not gonna go well for you.

1934
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 2: If you can get mount and can't keep it, it's

1935
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: not gonna go well for you. If you can get

1936
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 2: back and can't keep it, it's not gonna go well

1937
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 2: for you. If you can get the takedown and then

1938
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 2: can't hold it, it's not gonna go well for you.

1939
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 2: If you're gonna resort to pulling guard, which he did

1940
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 2: a number of times in this fight, and you're like, oh, well,

1941
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: Charles Oliverapole's guard. Yeah, but like think about it, dude,

1942
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 2: When Charles Oliverapol's guard, he's immediately going for like leg entanglements,

1943
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 2: which forces guys to like, oh, they have to resist,

1944
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: they have to get away. Like there's you know, you've

1945
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 2: seen Guardians of the Galaxy, right, yes, right, Like you

1946
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 2: know how Groot when he's when he's like ranches grow

1947
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, fighting some foe. They always

1948
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 2: kind of weave in and around like that's what Charles

1949
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: Olivera's legs are.

1950
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: He's groot where they just come in and.

1951
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere and all of a sudden you're trapped

1952
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 2: in this dude's you know, attacks that's different that you

1953
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: If you can do that, Yeah, you can get away

1954
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 2: with pulling guard, You can get away with that kind

1955
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: of stuff. But Charles Olivera can also wrestle. Charles Olivera

1956
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 2: can also strike, you see what I mean? Like these

1957
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 2: all of those things compliment each other. There's just too

1958
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 2: much missing with Bouschetsche for him to go very far

1959
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 2: with this. So we'll see what happens next. Also on

1960
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 2: this card, I don't know if anything stands out to you, Shack.

1961
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 2: If it does, I'll give you first chance here. That

1962
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 2: was the one I wanted to point out. Anything else

1963
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 2: when the one card stand out to you?

1964
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 3: No, But I'll give you a story to sort of

1965
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 3: make up for it. I've you seen the Newest Guardians

1966
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 3: of the Galaxy movie. I just saw it, actually, yes, okay, good,

1967
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 3: So I'll try and avoid spoilers. But there's a lot

1968
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 3: of rocket raccoon in there. I had a friend who

1969
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 3: was crying at the end of the movie, shout out

1970
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 3: to Natalie and I'm like, yeah, that that was pretty emotion.

1971
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: Sh what was it?

1972
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 3: And she goes, no, there used to be raccoons that

1973
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 3: lived in my wall, and they shriek hit me at night,

1974
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 3: and they chased me home from school every morning. So

1975
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 3: I just lived in Nightmaresshire experience the last three hours

1976
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 3: reliving all of my childhood trauma. And so, hey, if

1977
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 3: if you got whooped on by raccoons all your life,

1978
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 3: do not see Guardians of the Galaxy volumes there?

1979
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 2: So, in other words, your friends with high evolutionary is

1980
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: that right?

1981
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: She's a school teacher, all right.

1982
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 2: Not high evolutionary, but certainly sympathetic to him. I don't

1983
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 2: want to get into too much of the kickboxing resolves,

1984
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Chingy's Alazov beating Morett Gregorian. This was a great fight,

1985
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 2: but I'm not a huge kickboxing guy. I don't know

1986
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: enough to give you intelligent commentary. Maku Musumeci makes, I

1987
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 2: want to say, short work, but reasonably easy work of

1988
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Jared Brooks, who was their one fifteen or their They're

1989
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 2: strawweight male champion Taiwan Chai breaking the arm of da

1990
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 2: vit Kiria. I'm sure you saw that one that was brutal.

1991
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 2: John Linneker, I mean, rescuing a fight from the jaws

1992
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 2: of defeat at fifteen forty six of round three. Can

1993
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 2: you believe that the power of John Lenneker saving him again?

1994
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 2: And by the way, this fight was at one five.

1995
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you want to talk about this fellow's power carrying?

1996
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 2: Good God, amazing he's able to get some of these

1997
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 2: results that he was able to get. Also, the guy

1998
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: he's fighting, Jay Woon Kim, goes by the fighting God

1999
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: as his nickname. Not a very powerful god. I have

2000
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 2: to say, if you're a god, you should be doing

2001
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 2: a little bit better than this.

2002
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: That's just sort of what is the worst nickname in

2003
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: MMA that you can think of? The worst? I don't know.

2004
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 2: The worst I ever saw was a boxer whose nickname, oh,

2005
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 2: our producer saying beast in twenty five eight. Yeah, but

2006
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 2: we had Corey Anderson on the show and he's great,

2007
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 2: so I feel I don't want to I don't want

2008
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 2: to slander him. But there was one I heard in boxing.

2009
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 2: I went to a god what was his name? He

2010
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: was on the contender Tommy something he was. He was

2011
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 2: local to the DC area. He here was a guy

2012
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 2: in one of his cards whose nickname was cut Up

2013
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 2: from the butt up. Was actually his name cut up

2014
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: from the butt up.

2015
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: You can believe that. That's sick. I don't know what

2016
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about.

2017
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 2: I've never heard you never even heard a nickname like that, right,

2018
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 2: I mean he was all he was jacked up or whatever.

2019
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 2: But like you know, cut up from the butt up.

2020
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, well that's that's a little

2021
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 2: more information than I needed.

2022
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Can I give you? Can

2023
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: I give you a journeyman? Ron h two Waterman?

2024
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: So Ron Waterman actually was a sort of like a

2025
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 2: portent heavyweight for his era. He was limited, but he

2026
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 2: fought Fade or did he not? Or he fought No,

2027
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 2: he fought who did Ron fight? That was the big

2028
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 2: fight crow Cop? He did fight crow Cop. Yes, he

2029
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 2: was part of that earlier. I don't think he was Hammerhouse,

2030
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 2: but he was part of those early big strong wrestling

2031
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 2: top heavy Mark Coleman types, Mark Kerr types in the era.

2032
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: So he had a name for a while. But yeah,

2033
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: he ended up kind of just like you know, not

2034
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 1: not becoming a UFC champion.

2035
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, Ron Waterman was kind of a big deal

2036
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 2: back in the day. All right, that what is it

2037
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,719
Speaker 2: for our top five? Let's now go to our part

2038
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 2: of the show where the fans get to ask us questions.

2039
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from dolls. Let's get it.

2040
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: He haw, he haw. You've got male viewers and a

2041
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 2: male bag. All right, let's do this one.

2042
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:19,639
Speaker 1: Here?

2043
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 2: Does I pull up the questions from my producer who

2044
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: he did send them to me? And now I seemingly

2045
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: cannot find them, although I think they're here. Yes, I've

2046
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 2: got them. Okay, number one from fit Man seven twenty.

2047
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: I believe that's right.

2048
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Here we go, Please help me. I don't get the

2049
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 2: Nate diazlove uh oh, he's three and eight in his

2050
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 2: last eight years or something to that extent. Let's verify

2051
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 2: that has been a notorious excuse maker when he does

2052
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 2: lose ie, whenever guys don't fight under his terms. Why

2053
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: does he have such a cult like following answer the

2054
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 2: question in good faith. I don't want to insult him

2055
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 2: because it is a I don't know if it's a

2056
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,719
Speaker 2: good question, but it's a good exercise to think about.

2057
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 2: Explain Nate Diaz is popularity given he doesn't exactly go

2058
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 2: out there and give you like a you know, GSP

2059
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 2: like winning record.

2060
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 1: No, sorry, fitman, you must not be very fun at parties.

2061
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: How could you not love Nate Diaz.

2062
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the thing, right, there are very few fighters

2063
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 3: in the UFC that can sort of pave their own

2064
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 3: way to success.

2065
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: On their terms.

2066
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 3: No one has leverage on the UFC, but Nate Diaz

2067
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 3: is very much an example of someone carving their own path.

2068
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 3: You might not be aware of this if you're a

2069
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,839
Speaker 3: newer MMA fan, but Nick Diaz was always the popular

2070
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 3: Diaz brother.

2071
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: Right.

2072
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 3: He's the one who fought GSP. He's the one who

2073
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 3: fought for interim world title against Carlos Kndent. He was

2074
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 3: a Strikeforce champion. Nate Diaz was always sort of the

2075
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 3: little brother. And when he came back and he beat

2076
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 3: Michael Johnson, he went right for Connor McGregor. And the

2077
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 3: thing that is so much fun about Nate Diaz is,

2078
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 3: ever since the emergence of Connor McGregor, we've seen a

2079
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,839
Speaker 3: lot of you know, people will call them Connor clones,

2080
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 3: fighters who don't know how to sort of crank their

2081
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 3: own personality up to eleven, so they try and sort

2082
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 3: of do a poor man's impression of this sort of cocky, arrogant,

2083
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 3: bombastic guy. Nate Diaz is smarter than he lets on.

2084
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 3: He has a very particular charisma, and sure him in

2085
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 3: the UFC, I have a pretty good relationship, but he's

2086
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,879
Speaker 3: like the closest thing you're gonna come aside from Francis.

2087
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 3: Even Francis and Gano doesn't quite have the same sort

2088
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,480
Speaker 3: of spirit. There is this sort of rebellious anti establishment

2089
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: spirit that the Diaz brothers have and it's so endearing

2090
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 3: and it's so unique and it feels so authentic. So

2091
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,639
Speaker 3: when he fights Connor McGregor, when he makes the BMF

2092
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 3: title belt, and when he goes off to fight Jake Paul,

2093
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 3: these are all things that Nate Diaz has done on

2094
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 3: his own terms, and it's something that almost no other

2095
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 3: fighter could get away with.

2096
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, I can understand how you can

2097
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 2: watch the Diaz and Jake Paul interaction, Like last week's

2098
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 2: press conference was gross, you know, and there's a lot

2099
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 2: of stuff that I don't necessarily love that he does.

2100
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 2: But what you really have to understand is the Nate

2101
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 2: Diaz story is the anti hero story where a guy

2102
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: who was not pegged necessarily for stardom Nick kind of

2103
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 2: was because Nick was getting wins really early in the

2104
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 2: UFC's run, like stopping Robbie Lawler, and then he goes

2105
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 2: over to Pride and gets the techinry Gomi. Stuff like

2106
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 2: there was you know, Nick had done some pretty impressive

2107
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 2: things and Nate was kind of always the little brother

2108
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 2: to your point. But eventually Nate began to carve his

2109
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: own path and began to rebel against the authority, and

2110
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 2: not just rebel like just for the sake of rebelling,

2111
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 2: but for like a purpose driven like he They would

2112
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 2: bring up things like hey, like we are entitled to more,

2113
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 2: that this should not be this way. They would kind

2114
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 2: of highlight the unfairness of the system while being this

2115
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 2: avatar for the cause against it. And not all the

2116
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 2: time did it work, but a lot of times it did,

2117
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, and people loved their brash, in your face attitude.

2118
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 2: Losing de Benson Henderson but giving Henderson the finger of

2119
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 2: the entire time for a title fight, you know, like

2120
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 2: that kind of a thing. And what ultimately ended up

2121
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 2: happening was this is true for Nick as well, but

2122
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: also Nate. The criticisms they had of the business structure

2123
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 2: in MMA ended up being very prescient and true, and

2124
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that they were doing which

2125
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 2: were kind of mocked or either ignored early, about working

2126
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 2: with boxers, about running triathlons and whatnot, and about like

2127
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 2: these guys they had smoked a lot of weed, but

2128
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 2: they were really healthy and they like didn't you know,

2129
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 2: they're both vegan and stuff like that. They were kind

2130
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 2: of a little bit ahead of their time, at least

2131
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 2: on some of those considerations, and so you ended up

2132
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 2: getting this like unusual source of wisdom from the guy

2133
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 2: who's not exactly the class clown but the class rebel,

2134
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, man, there's been a lot more

2135
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: going on here than I think the public ever really

2136
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 2: fully recognized. And then it just built and built and

2137
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 2: built and built and built into this big thing. And now, yeah,

2138
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 2: is does does do Nick and Nate work great as heroes?

2139
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 2: That's a debate, But I think they work very well

2140
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 2: as anti heroes and that's how they made their name,

2141
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 2: and it worked in an industry that's controlled heavily by

2142
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 2: a dominant brand.

2143
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are Stone called Steve Austin. If you need,

2144
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 3: I'll give myself one WWE reference here and also for

2145
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 3: the dead Wrongs, he's four and three in the last

2146
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 3: eight years.

2147
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So there you go, all right from Strike

2148
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 2: dot MX shack. Do you really believe that al Jo

2149
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 2: would vacate the bansamweight title. He's thirty four years old

2150
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 2: and this is his prime earning in the sport. He'd

2151
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 2: probably lose hundreds of thousands at least per fight if

2152
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 2: he vacates the belt and move to a division where

2153
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 2: the champ is the pound for pound best fighter in

2154
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 2: the sport. We'll see. But even Kine didn't do this

2155
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 2: for DC. What well, DC went to fucking two five.

2156
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:53,759
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I don't know sure what that means.

2157
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: It would be an insing, just thing that.

2158
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 3: DC went down as opposed to willingly vacating a title, so.

2159
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 2: That, yeah, I know, but they kind of I mean,

2160
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 2: the whole point was DC was willing to do that

2161
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 2: because kin welcomed him into the.

2162
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 3: Gym and can.

2163
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: But where where else can Kine go and he Kane

2164
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 2: can't make two o five? So DC had a choice

2165
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 2: to make about what to do there Here's what I'll

2166
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 2: say about this. I understand the spirit of the question, Shack,

2167
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 2: because he's right, like, you know, do you really like

2168
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 2: his chances against Volkanowski? Hard to say, but I would

2169
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 2: favor Volkanowski at this point. I think, I don't think

2170
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 2: that's all that crazy. But it really just depends on

2171
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do with Morob. And when I say they,

2172
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean the team, the Sarah Lngo team. Dude, it's

2173
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 2: a tight team. I've seen tight teams hold the line

2174
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 2: when John Fitch and Josh Koshchik were there, but none

2175
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 2: of those guys ever had the title. And here you

2176
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 2: have a case where a guy has it. What do

2177
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: you think is gonna happen. Let's say, let's say he

2178
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 2: wins at UFC two ninety two, and let me let

2179
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 2: me up the ante a little bit. Let's say he

2180
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 2: wins dominantly, which is to say, gets the back, chokes

2181
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 2: him out, all done. What really is al Jamine Sterling going.

2182
01:41:58,120 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: To do.

2183
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 3: If the UFC promises Marob devlish Philly the next title shot.

2184
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 3: I do think Aljo moves up and wait, you mentioned

2185
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 3: titaned camps. We have a lot of super gyms these days,

2186
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 3: you know, these big amalgamations of coaches and sponsored gyms

2187
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 3: and multiple world champions. There may not be another camp

2188
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 3: currently an MMA that has that sort of close knit

2189
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 3: familial bond that the Longo Sarah camp has. I mean,

2190
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 3: they just those guys love each other, They adore each other.

2191
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 3: And I do believe Aljo when he says I think

2192
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 3: it would genuinely make al Jo happy to see Morob

2193
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 3: Devlish Philly become world champion. And you talk to anyone

2194
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 3: in that camp and they have such a deep, profound

2195
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 3: respect from Rov moving to the States and putting in

2196
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 3: the work he's done to get himself into this position. Also, dude,

2197
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 3: this will I'll just fought like thirteen three times in

2198
01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 3: thirteen months for the world title. Keep saying his body

2199
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 3: is banged up. I don't take him to be a

2200
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 3: deceitful or untruthful person. He did not want to take

2201
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 3: this fight the two ninety two. He felt pressured into

2202
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 3: it by the UFC. He says, the weight cuts are

2203
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 3: getting harder. He says his body has a really tough

2204
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 3: time sort of regulating itself after the weight cuts, and

2205
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 3: he's got injuries, he's got lingering injuries that he's got

2206
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 3: to deal with. I really don't think he wants to

2207
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 3: be at this weight class anymore. I think it's going

2208
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 3: to only get harder for him as he moves up

2209
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 3: in age. And never I mean, I do this thing

2210
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 3: with UFC fighters where I get them. There's sort of

2211
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 3: re rank divisions based on how they see it. Rob

2212
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Vonn put himself at number one. So never doubt the

2213
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 3: self confidence of these elite fighters. If al Jo, I

2214
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 3: am confident Aljo believes that he's got something in the

2215
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 3: can for Ole Klonowski. Whether that's true or not will

2216
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 3: it remains to be seen. But I have no doubt

2217
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 3: that he has the self belief to move up in.

2218
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 2: Wait fair enough, I guess we'll have to see. It

2219
01:43:56,400 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 2: is interesting, It is interesting, all right? From Patrick Clang.

2220
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 2: I think that's how you pronounce it. What happens first

2221
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 2: the Roadhouse movie goes straight to video, or Connor McGregor

2222
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:08,719
Speaker 2: enters the testing pool.

2223
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: Boy, he was busy on Twitter last night, was he not?

2224
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 2: I saw him going after Nate Diaz, going after Jake Paul,

2225
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 2: Jake Paul kind of biting him back a little bit.

2226
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 2: Not none of which was interesting.

2227
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: He called him.

2228
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 2: I don't even want to repeat what he called him.

2229
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 2: I don't think you can or I don't know what

2230
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 2: the words he called him a what would you call him?

2231
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 2: A white version of a racial slur sort of something

2232
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 2: like that.

2233
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 3: Listen, man, I told you I'm gonna try and be

2234
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 3: the best DC that I can be. Today, I draw

2235
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 3: the line at the karate chops.

2236
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. I don't get don't get us fired

2237
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 2: on BC's vacation day. That would really be bad. But

2238
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 2: in all seriousness, listen, the Roadhouse movie is not gonna

2239
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 2: go straight to video because Jake Joonhall's in it, so

2240
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 2: I will see a major release. But I gotta tell you, dude,

2241
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 2: someone said this on Twitter. I forgot who it was.

2242
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 2: It was a really interesting point because it was I

2243
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 2: don't follow a ton of fans on Twitter. I followed

2244
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 2: some like I fall like the super fans, you know,

2245
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 2: And I think it was one of the super fans

2246
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:08,879
Speaker 2: who was saying, I get why Connor's doing this because

2247
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 2: he hasn't given his fans anything to cheer about in

2248
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 2: a long time. He's got to get up on here

2249
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 2: and cost conflict score as minimal points as he can,

2250
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 2: because if not for this what else is there? But

2251
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 2: the reality is, like, dude, it's true, Like what has

2252
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,799
Speaker 2: he given his fans a reason to be happy about

2253
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 2: in any recent amount of time?

2254
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is.

2255
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 3: No, I don't think in terms of fandom, in terms

2256
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:38,480
Speaker 3: of people supporting or actively rooting for Connor Megre or McGregor.

2257
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 1: I think his stock is as low as it's been

2258
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: since he won his first roled title against Jose Aldo.

2259
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: Does that mean that people aren't going to tune in

2260
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 1: when he does eventually fight? Absolutely not. We're all going

2261
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:51,839
Speaker 1: to watch. We're gonna watch.

2262
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 3: Because it will have an impact in the lightweight title picture.

2263
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:58,639
Speaker 3: We will watch because there is a morbid curiosity. We'll

2264
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 3: watch because you either love or hate Connor and want

2265
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 3: to see the outcome of that fight. With that said,

2266
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if the roatthouse movie goes to

2267
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 3: video first. Okay, here's here's here's a legitimate question.

2268
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: Who has who has?

2269
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 3: Who gets booked in the ignore Tyson Fury versus Francis

2270
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 3: and Ghanu for one second, do we see Tyson Fury

2271
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 3: in a legitimate world heavyweight title fight before or after

2272
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor fights in.

2273
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 2: The UFC ooh before before, because he's gonna fight Francis

2274
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:37,760
Speaker 2: at the end of October, right, and I think he'll

2275
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 2: be unscathed from that, relatively speaking, and then he can

2276
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 2: fight Usik either at the end of the year, which

2277
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 2: is unlikely, or first quarter of twenty twenty four. I'll say,

2278
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury, Yeah, that's a guess. He might fuck around too,

2279
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: but we'll see.

2280
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: Uh.

2281
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: From BC's burner account kickbox or Dad, Oh no, this

2282
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 2: can BBC because it's about uh, it's about kickboxing. Why

2283
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 2: have we never seen a real taie fighter like Scienchi super,

2284
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:10,640
Speaker 2: like a rod Tang switch over to MMA and become successful.

2285
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:12,599
Speaker 2: Tie fighters are so good at kickboxing, but you never

2286
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 2: see them transition to MM. The funny thing is you

2287
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 2: have seen Thai fighters, and again kickboxing is not my

2288
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 2: strong suit, but you have seen Tai fighters switch over

2289
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 2: to boxing and win world titles.

2290
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: That has happened.

2291
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 2: But the reality is this, like, there are some camps

2292
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 2: in Thailand aka Thailand bang Tao is in Thailand now.

2293
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 1: The the Hickman brothers are out there.

2294
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 2: You can get some real good MMA training and I

2295
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 2: think it's and they have Loma Luke Bunmi Right, they're

2296
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 2: asking about tie fighters switching. There's one I think he's

2297
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 2: asking about, like the bigger name mail fighters, why haven't

2298
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 2: they switched? And I'm just gonna guess it's a function

2299
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 2: of what the economics of it are. Plus, dude, like,

2300
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 2: getting good at wrestling fucking sucks and it's hard. And

2301
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 2: if you're already world class in another sport and the

2302
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,600
Speaker 2: economics don't really make sense to switch, why would you?

2303
01:47:58,080 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2304
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,679
Speaker 3: Is there a combat sport on Earth that has made

2305
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 3: you more grateful for being on this end of the

2306
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 3: spectrum covering it than muay Thai? Like sometimes you're like, man,

2307
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't it be cool to be a boxer or an

2308
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 3: MMA fighter? But I watched those Muay Thai highlights and

2309
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, Nope.

2310
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: Not not this guy. What do you mean? I don't

2311
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: think I understand your question.

2312
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 3: It's brutal, man, Like the well, do all these ties

2313
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 3: tis cave heads in?

2314
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 2: Do the tie start professional boxing? In their single digits,

2315
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 2: there was a documentary on kids fighting. It's unfortunate, but

2316
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 2: there was a documentary on this and they were doing

2317
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 2: some brain scans of like you know, kids who've been

2318
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 2: fighting Muay Thai for three years, Let's say they're ten

2319
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,799
Speaker 2: or eleven years old something like that, and they already

2320
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 2: had signs of brain bleeding, you know, at ten or eleven.

2321
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 2: Now they retire much younger. They retire I think in

2322
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,720
Speaker 2: their early twenties or so a mid twenties something like that.

2323
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 2: I mean, some can go longer, but you know, these

2324
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 2: are people who are fighting in many cases for survival.

2325
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 2: They are fighting for desperate economic need. And the very

2326
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 2: very very very very best ones end up making a

2327
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 2: fair amount of money and doing really well. But you're right, like,

2328
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 2: it's a brutal sport. It starts really young, it ends

2329
01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 2: really young. It's not you know, it's not anything built

2330
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 2: for longevity. That's that's a fucking fact. It's just that

2331
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 2: the pipeline that recruits and you know, develops this talent

2332
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,800
Speaker 2: just has nothing to do with wrestling. So you'd have

2333
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 2: to find some other kind of thing. I don't know

2334
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 2: what the word is there, all right.

2335
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 3: I did see that they announced that rod Tang versus

2336
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,719
Speaker 3: Superlec for the one Flyway white Ty World title.

2337
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 2: They did, they did, Yeah, when when is that supposed

2338
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 2: to be like October Seceember twenty second, on my birthday

2339
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 2: September twenty second. Oh, how old are you going to be?

2340
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 1: Twenty eight?

2341
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 2: Twenty eight, twenty eight doing pretty well. I didn't get

2342
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Speaker 2: to turn full time into MMA work. I mean I've

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Speaker 2: been covering it before, but I didn't get to go

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Speaker 2: full time till I was thirty one. Different era, bro

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01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 2: different era all right, last but not least from Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: To Darien to Darien. I don't know how you say it.

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Speaker 2: If you could introduce one new rule into MMA, what

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Speaker 2: would it be, Shaq?

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Speaker 1: What do you think? So there's a few directions you

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01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 1: can go with this.

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Speaker 3: I think the most obvious one is that twelve to

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01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 3: six elbow it's nonsense. There's such a small margin for

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Speaker 3: error that it kind of complicates things. You have them

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Speaker 3: throw one strike and you kind of have the referee

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01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 3: being like, no, turn your risk this way, turn your

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01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:26,559
Speaker 3: risk that way. It's didn't We even see it with

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Speaker 3: Herb Dean and someone recently where they were like having

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Speaker 3: a back and forth and Herban was coaching the guy

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Speaker 3: on how to throw elbows.

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Speaker 1: Mid fight so that it would be legal. It's silly.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: We've had updates and knees to a grounded opponent where

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01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 3: you have to have both hands on the floor. And

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Speaker 3: now that's kind of helped with the gamification of the

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01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 3: hands up and down. But I'd kind of like to

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01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 3: see the I just like to see them permit needs

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Speaker 3: to a grounded opponent. I think I would clean up

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01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 3: a lot of mess. I'm bloodthirsty, so I like soccer kicks.

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Speaker 3: But I understand if that might be a stretch too

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Speaker 3: far for some people. Here's a funny one though. Did

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01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:02,600
Speaker 3: you know the technically speaking, the use of abusive language

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01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:06,520
Speaker 3: is not allowed during an MMA competition. Yes, yes, so

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Speaker 3: to Herb Dean's point in twenty sixteen quote, I mean,

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01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 3: we're watching people kick each other's faces in, but we

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01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 3: can't say after you every Now.

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Speaker 2: I know it's weird. Two rules very easily. Knee to

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01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: the head of a grounded opponent. I would change now,

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01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 2: not in every case, but like certainly, like if someone's

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01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: back is on the ground, I don't want them getting

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01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:25,839
Speaker 2: need But if they shoot and then they get stuffed

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01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 2: and now they're underneath, yes it should be open season

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01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:28,599
Speaker 2: on them.

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Speaker 1: I think that should change.

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Speaker 2: Also, dude, listen, I don't think that the leadership of

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Speaker 2: One does a great job for themselves in the media,

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Speaker 2: and that by that I mean Chatri si Ya talking

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01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 2: just says a bunch of dumb shit all the time,

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Speaker 2: and so I don't think that's great. But dude, like

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Speaker 2: I like the one product. I think that the one

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01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 2: product is very good. And one of the things that

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Speaker 2: I like that they did that they pulled from Pride

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01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,719
Speaker 2: is the card system, the yellow and the red card system.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 2: I think this is great. I don't love the idea

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01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 2: necessarily of taking the purse, that's not my favorite part,

2396
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 2: but like the ability to warn or to inflict a

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01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 2: point deduction without necessarily having sometimes you need to restart

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01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 2: the action, but sometimes you don't, and the ability to

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Speaker 2: just whip that out and show it to them. I

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01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:15,720
Speaker 2: actually really really like that. I think that's I think

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01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 2: it's a good thing. I like One's rule set in general,

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01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 2: but I think the red and the yellow card system

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01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 2: is actually one of my favorite. Also, also you'll see

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01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 2: certain promotions do this jungle fight. I think in Brazil

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01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 2: had experimented with this. If someone misses weight and it's

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01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 2: egregious enough, they start with a point missing before they

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01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:35,600
Speaker 2: even begin the first round, so they've already had a

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01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 2: ten to nine for round one. Not if they get

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01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 2: a win in the first round doesn't matter, but if

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01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 2: it goes to the judges, they get a point deducted

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Speaker 2: before it even happens. I like that rule as well.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. All right, Well, I believe that

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Speaker 1: is it.

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Speaker 2: That is the show for today. Everybody, shack. Why don't

2415
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 2: you plug your stuff? Tell the folks where they can

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Speaker 2: get more of you, and then they can get text

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Speaker 2: messages from you. They can also ignore you know what

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01:52:58,600 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm here for it.

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Speaker 3: YouTube is the place to be. Please listen, Louke, as

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Speaker 3: long as you answer me when I'm trying to get

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Speaker 3: a contact info for someone thinking about that content for

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Speaker 3: our shared all right, I said, I'm pretty good about that.

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Speaker 3: I feel like most of the time. All Right, I'll check.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna start picking you all right. Right, First of all,

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01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 3: thank you so much for letting me come here. I

2427
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 3: literally used to submit questions for your live blog, back

2428
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 3: live chat back in the MMA fighting days, so this

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01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,679
Speaker 3: is still a little surreal for me. But I'll stop

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Speaker 3: it there. I know you don't like compliments YouTube dot

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Speaker 3: com at Shack MMA. That's the one I'm poring all

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Speaker 3: my time into. Like I said, we're just about on

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Speaker 3: the verge of twenty five thousand subs. Every week you're

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Speaker 3: gonna see interviews with main Event comin event or main

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Speaker 3: card fighters. We got a new ranking series that's really

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Speaker 3: popping off. We just had Cory Sanheigan restructure the division.

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Speaker 1: He's got a.

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Speaker 3: Great mind for that. It's sort of a chance to

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01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 3: have your own fun with the rank learn a bit

2440
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 3: about how these fighters sort of assass and analyze each

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Speaker 3: other Twitter at check Underscore FO and that's all I

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Speaker 3: got for you, man. Check out the written stuff at

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great work.

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Speaker 2: So CBS sports dot com for more of the as

2446
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Speaker 2: He Indicator, the written stuff, and then all the other

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Speaker 2: But one more time, put the graphic up for the

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Speaker 2: socials if you'd be so kind, And then let me

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01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 2: remind everyone if you're still around, hey, vote for US

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Speaker 2: World MMA Awards. I don't know if we still have

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Speaker 2: the graphic. If we do, let's get that on the screen.

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Speaker 2: You can go to WORLDMEMA Awards dot com and you

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01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 2: can vote for Morning Combat for Best MMA Programming. The

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Speaker 2: odds makers say we have the worst chance of winning

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Speaker 2: even though we're back to back champions, which sounds about

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Speaker 2: right for MK. Actually that's about where we should be,

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Speaker 2: so give us a vote there WORLDMM Awards dot com.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, well that is it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Showtime dot Com is the label that page Showtime dot

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Speaker 2: can go to Morningcom dot store for everything else. And

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Speaker 2: then last but not least, Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: That is Shaquille Majory. I am Luke Thomas. Brian Campbell's

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Speaker 2: back next week. We are done for the day and

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Speaker 2: until next time, may all of your gains be loyal.