1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told You from how Supports 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and a theme for this week is 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: ejaculation slash Valentine's Day's right, a most romantic topic, and 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time puzzling over female ejaculation 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: and guys, we haven't forgotten about ejaculation for you, although 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: this time we present another puzzle, which is premature ejaculation, 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: because this is something that affects even more men than 9 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: female ejaculation affects women, right, and it is definitely something 10 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: that has been pathologized when we you know, Kristen and 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: I talk a lot about women's health issues or concerns 12 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: that have been pathologized doing whether it should be or not, 13 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: and this is really no different. I mean, there are 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: men who experience ejaculation very very soon in the sexual 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: process and who seek out medical treatment for that. But 16 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: then we were going to get into the issue of like, okay, well, 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: how do you define it? So many people define premature 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: ejaculation differently, and is it just ejaculation that happens early 19 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: or is it simply when your sexual partner is not pleased. Yeah, 20 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of complexity to premature ejaculation and as 21 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: well as the psychological repercussions to um. So let's get 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: down to some ejaculation basics, shall we, Because it happens 23 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: really fast at first, at least in terms of the 24 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: fluid traveling through the urethra. It moves through the urethra 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: at an astounding twenty eight miles per hour or forty 26 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: kilometers per hour for our Canadian listeners. Hello, well, Kristen, 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: that's faster than a Model T four. My goodness, my goodness. 28 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: But then it slows way, way, way way down as 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: it exits the penis and enters the vagina or the 30 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: anus or where wherever it's going, right, it slows down 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: to get ready for this point zero zero one one 32 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: miles per hour or point zero zero one seven kilometers 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: per hour. And famed sex researcher Alfred Kinsey performed an 34 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: experiment that found a long distance ejaculation record of eight feet. 35 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. He like laid down sheets on the 36 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: floor and was like, fellas have at it. Eight feet. 37 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive considering how much it slows down before 38 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: it exits, Like as it exits the urethra, and it's 39 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: usually not a whole lot of fluid, about one or 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: two teaspoons on average, But there is a lot of 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: stuff in that semen. Yeah, let's look at the nutritional information. Yes, 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: sperm only makes up about one percent of semen. Then 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you have secretions from the prostate, gland and vas deference, 44 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: as well as fructose, water, ascorbic acid, citric acid, protein enzymes, 45 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: zinc phosphate by carbonate buffers and red number four. No no, no, no, 46 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: no artificial no artificial colors, its sweeteners organic. It is organic. 47 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: But in terms of what's going on physically when this 48 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: is happening, So we get the penis and gorged with blood, 49 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: the scrotum contracts and applies pressure on the testicles that 50 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: are then drawn into the body as the fluid travels 51 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: from the seminal vesicles outward. Yeah, so it's a whole 52 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the whole assembly line almost system to get it out there. Um, 53 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: so we've established what ejaculation is, but what is premature ejaculation. Technically, 54 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: it's one of three forms of ejaculatory dysfunction. There's pre 55 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: mature ejaculation, retarded ejaculation in retrograde ejaculation, which is when 56 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: it goes back rather than forward. And it's actually listed 57 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders right, 58 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: and it's defined as ejaculation occurring without control on or 59 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: shortly after penetration and before the person wishes it, causing 60 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. But the thing is, we 61 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: don't have a standard definition of it because you have 62 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: the whole question of balancing the timing of ejaculation against 63 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: your partners or your own satisfaction with how long it takes. 64 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: For instance, the American Neurological Association defines premature ejaculation as 65 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: occurring sooner than desired, either before or shortly after penetration, 66 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: causing distress to either one or both parties. But Masters 67 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: and Johnson, also fame sex researchers from decades ago, provided 68 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: a pretty subjective definition. They said that it was the 69 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: man's inability to inhibit ejaculation long enough to satisfy his 70 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: partner fifty of the time. Well, it's the satisfaction, uh 71 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: sex partner satisfaction, and also that psychological distress that it causes. 72 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: You need to have that distress factor in there too. 73 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: Clearly to meet that D s M definition. So, and 74 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: that's something that we don't we haven't talked about that 75 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: much on the podcast. We talk a lot about women, 76 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: female sexual function and psychological distress, but this is an 77 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: arena where we really get into male sexual function and 78 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: psychological distress. But but there are some more concrete guidelines, 79 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: although they are quite heteronormative as well. Caroline, that's right. 80 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: One of the characteristics of premature ejaculation that really plays 81 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: a huge role in defining it is called the intra 82 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: vaginal ejaculatory LATENCYTIL time or i e l T. So basically, 83 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: according to this idea, you are experiencing premature ejaculation if 84 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: your i e l T is always before or within 85 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: about one minute of penetration or eight to fifteen thrusts. 86 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: But like Kristen said, the fact that the first letter 87 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: in a defining characteristic of premature ejaculation is I for 88 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: intro vaginal, it's pretty outa specific. But keep that in 89 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: mind because we're going to talk later in the second 90 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: half of the podcast about how sexual orientation may or 91 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: may not play into premature ejaculation and the more subjective guidelines. 92 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: But moving into more of the medical specifics of premature ejaculation, 93 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: there are two widely recognized types, primary, which is a 94 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: lifelong premature ejaculation, and secondary, which is more acquired or situational. 95 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: And there are two additional proposed types of premature o 96 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: jack relation which are normal variable premature ejaculation which is 97 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: inconsistent and situational, and then premature like ejaculation, which contains 98 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: subjective perceptions of premature ejaculation although your intro vaginal ejaculatory 99 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: latency time is normal, in other words, someone feeling insecure 100 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: because he thinks that he's coming too soon even though 101 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: his i e LT is normal within the normal range, 102 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: which is around five minutes. And speaking of rates and 103 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: what is common and what is normal, the prevalence rate 104 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: of premature ejaculation is one in three men, and according 105 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: to a two thousand seven global survey, about a quarter 106 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: of men across all age groups struggled with it, and 107 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: a two thousand five survey calculated an even higher prevalence 108 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: rate of thirty percent. And we should mention that there 109 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: is a thirty percent co occurrence rate of premature ejaculation 110 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: and a rectile to function, and we're not going to 111 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: get into erectile this function in depth in this podcast 112 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: because it kind of deserves its own podcast. But in 113 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: case you're wondering, those things can go hand in hand, 114 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: but not all the time. It's actually less common than 115 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: you might think. But not surprisingly, it can have a 116 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: negative impact not only on the person who is dealing 117 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: with perhaps a low I e l T that intervaginal 118 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: ejaculatory latency time, but also on the relationship with that 119 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: person's sex partner. Yeah, this is coming from study published 120 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, which we sided quite 121 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: a bit in our previous episode on female ejaculation. But 122 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: they found that nine percent of women reported a low 123 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: sex drive and sexual dissatisfaction when they were with a 124 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: man who suffered from premature ejaculation. But forty eight percent 125 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: of these women said that the real problem was that 126 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: there partners, their sexual partners weren't paying enough attention to 127 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: their needs like kissing and caressing, and instead we're more 128 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: focused on boosting their performance or duration. And almost a 129 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: quarter of those women also reported that the man's ejaculatory 130 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: problems lead to relationship breakups. And that's something just in 131 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: routine google searches that we were doing looking for sources 132 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: um and experiences with premature ejaculation. That came up a 133 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: lot on message boards in terms of guys being distressed 134 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: about either getting into relationships or having relationships that broke 135 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: up because of this issue. So it's a it's a 136 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: very real factor in some relationships for sure, right and 137 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: this leads many people to seek out treatment. And some 138 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,359 Speaker 1: of the typical treatments include behavioral things like the squeeze 139 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: or the stop and start technique, which is basically, uh, 140 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 1: stopping when you feel like you're about to reach orgasm, 141 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: letting the urge path, and then continuing. Squeeze technique is 142 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: basically squeezing the penis until that urge subsides and then continuing. 143 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: There's also the application of topical anesthetics, which for me 144 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: as a lady with lady parts, just makes me feel 145 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: squeamish because it's numbing, like a like a Lydic Caneah yeah, 146 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't want Lyda cane anywhere near my lady bits. 147 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: But that's also you find that kind of stuff too 148 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: on certain kinds of condoms that are the long last condoms. 149 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: It contains that kind of stuff to uh desensitize the 150 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: penis um so that they'll last longer. True. And in 151 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: addition to topical anesthetics, you have oral medications, including antidepressants. 152 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: This is actually becoming a more and more common prescription 153 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: for premature ejaculation because we we we hear a lot 154 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: about antidepressants depressing sexual function as well, and for that reason, 155 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: certain antidepressants, particularly an S s R I call peroxytine, 156 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: has been found to delay ejaculations. There was a randomized 157 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: control trial which found that proxytine delayed ejaculation from one 158 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: point five minutes to seven point seven minutes, so pretty significant. 159 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: And on top of that too, because of the psychological aspect, 160 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: because of the relationship aspect of it as well, counseling 161 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: might be involved as well. But there are also some 162 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: experimental treatments some people are looking into too, right, Caroline, Yeah, 163 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: things like virtual reality treatment and also a desensitizing band 164 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: that can be worn during masturbation. Not to mention herbal 165 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: treatments that people seek out, things like fi medium leaf extract, 166 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: ginko beloba, asian gin singh root who knows, I I 167 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: don't but probably not horny goat weed, Caroline, but like 168 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: female ejaculation. Premature ejaculation has been a medical mystery for 169 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: a long time. And what's fascinating to see though, with 170 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: the the history of premature ejaculation, what doctors think about it. 171 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: It's actually gone through certain distinct phases in terms of 172 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: kind of the the overarching model that doctors and scientists 173 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: think that it originates from. And this is coming from 174 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: an invaluable paper by Marcel de Waldinger called the History 175 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: of Premature Ejaculation, and he goes all the way back 176 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: to ancient Greek writings that mention ejaculation ante portas, which 177 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: means ejaculation before the gate, before the gate didn't quite 178 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: make it into the gate outside the gate um. But 179 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't until the late nineteenth century where we have 180 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: it first described as a disorder. So in eighteen eighties 181 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: seven you have the first case of quote rapid ejaculation 182 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: in medical literature. Yeah, and then in nineteen o eight 183 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: we get the first psychoanalytic paper written about it by 184 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: a student of Freud that paid a lot of attention 185 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to premature ejaculations effect on the female partner. So this 186 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: is when we first get into like, ah, well, other 187 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: people might not be happy with it. Yeah, and this 188 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of kicks off the first major period of premature 189 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: ejaculation classification that Waldinger identifies, which is from nineteen seventeen 190 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: to nineteen fifty, which is the neurosis and psycho somatic 191 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: disorder phase. UM. So you have premature ejaculation thought to 192 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: be a neurosis linked to unconscious conflicts often treated with psychoanalysis, 193 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: and you have the term ejaculation prey cox being introduced 194 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: deduced to describe premature ejaculation. So it's not it's not 195 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: yet called premature ejaculation because I mean it's it's more 196 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: of a site. They think it's more of a psychological thing. 197 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: Right in nineteen and the nineteen thirties, we actually get 198 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: the first drug developed to treat erectile dysfunction, and it's 199 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: called TESTA four ten. And then in ninety three a 200 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: German endochronologist by the name of Ben how Shapiro sorry 201 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: sorry for my accent, proposed the psycho somatic model, and 202 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: this basically says that premature ejaculation is a combination of 203 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: an over anxious constitution and an inferior ejaculatory apparatus. As 204 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: a point of least resistance, for emotional pressure. This is 205 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: also when we get the early recognition of the two 206 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: types of premature ejaculation primary versus secondary, and Shapiro was 207 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: also the first to note he didn't call it genetic, 208 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: but he was the first to note that men who 209 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: experienced this issue also had family members who were likely 210 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: to experience the problem also. But in we move out 211 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: of psycho somatic and into more of the learned behavior model, 212 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: and this would last until the early nineties. And this 213 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: learned behavior viewpoint was really developed by Masters and Johnson 214 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: who focused on the performance anxiety driven cycle of premature 215 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: jack reculation. So if it happens, you kind of freak out, 216 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: and then you're worried about it, and then the next 217 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: time you start having sex, you start worrying that it 218 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: will happen again, and so the cycle continues. And so 219 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: through that they developed that squeeze technique to almost retrain 220 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: the penis. And with the squeeze technique, not only do 221 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: you squeeze the penis when you to stop sex when 222 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: you think that you're about to prematurely ejaculate, you also 223 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: sort of let it d too, miss d and gorge 224 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: a little bit and just gott to chill out, and 225 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: then you start going again and it will rengorge, and 226 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: then you just do that over and over again, which 227 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: apparently has has its successes, but also obviously has its 228 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: detractions as well because it can inhibit the flow of 229 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: sexual activity. Right, But there. Squeeze technique actually was built 230 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: off of an earlier stopped start technique which we mentioned earlier, 231 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: which was developed in nineteen fifty six by I'm not 232 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: kidding urologist James Siemens. Oh man, that's perfect, yeah, he 233 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: just he was the first to describe this stop start 234 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: masturbation technique not necessarily just with sex, but also with masturbation. 235 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: But Masters and Johnson were saying that this performance anxiety 236 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: really stemmed from the fact that they believe that the 237 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: men who experienced it had relied on rapid ejaculation and 238 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: rapid orgasms earlier in life, and that it just became 239 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: a habit that had to be unlearned. So basically, if 240 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: you're used to either sneaking in sex or masturbation so 241 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: that nobody catches you, and you're used to like, oh, 242 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: this has to be fast, it has to be fast. 243 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: It's just a habit that you've developed that has created 244 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: a lot of performance anxiety in your adult life and 245 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: it has to be unlearned. But then once we get 246 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: to two thousand five, we enter the neurobiology and psycho 247 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: pharmacology phase, and then this is when we start learning 248 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: about how lifelong premature ejaculation, that primary premature ejaculation has 249 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: neurobiological and genetic underpinnings. And this is also when those 250 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: S S R I or antidepressant treatments begin to emerge. 251 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: And notably, we have the first successful oral drug developed 252 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: to treat erectile disorder, which is produced by Fiser, which 253 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: is going to lead to a new medical discipline of 254 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: sexual medicine, because you know, if your Fiser, you're like, hey, 255 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: this seems like a common problem. We're gonna make a bill, 256 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of money off of it. And 257 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: that leads us into the present phase, which really focuses 258 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: on the pharmaceutical industry and pursuing the genetics behind this issue. 259 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: And so this is when we've gotten a lot of 260 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: DNA research that reveal more links with that lifelong or 261 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: primary premature ejaculation, and so what scientists are looking more 262 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: closely at now are certain um genetic mutations in some 263 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: men that might interfere with what's called the central serotone 264 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: or genic and dopaminergenic system, your serotonin and dopamine in 265 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: other words, that is been associated with the mechanics that 266 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: influence your I E l T. So they think it 267 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: has to do with your neurotransmitters that are released and 268 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: produced as you're having sex as sort of setting off 269 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: that physiological premature ejaculation. And they have uncovered some genetic links, 270 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: but it's not fully understood yet, probably because of the 271 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: different kinds of premature ejaculation that men experienced, as well 272 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: as the still the subjectivity of it, this kind of 273 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: vague definition that happens um and we're going to get 274 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: into more of those nuances of premature ejaculation and things 275 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: that might or might not influence it when we come 276 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: right back from a quick break and now back to 277 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the show. So in the first half of the podcast, 278 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: we talked about what doctors know about premature ejaculation, which 279 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: is a lot, but still not enough to know exactly 280 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: how to precisely treat it for this commonly sided statistics 281 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: of one in three men experiencing it. But we do 282 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: know that masturbation is not a likely culprit. Guys, if 283 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: you're experiencing premature ejaculation, masturbation can actually be your friend. Yeah, 284 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: because masturbating before sex can slow down this whole process. 285 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: Dr Debbie herbenock Over at the Kinsie Institute says that 286 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: masturbation can actually help men retrain their ejaculatory habits by 287 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: employing that stop start method that we mentioned earlier. But 288 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: we mentioned the whole heateronormal of definition of for instance, 289 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: the I E L T earlier. So what what about 290 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: that issue? What about gay men versus straight men? Is 291 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: this a global universal man problem or is one man 292 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: more likely to experience it over another. Well, the question 293 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: is a little difficult to conclusively answer because, as with 294 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot of research on sexuality, the framework for premature 295 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: ejaculation has largely been among hetero men having sex with 296 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: vaginas um. But there was an article published in g 297 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Q about premature ejaculation that interviewed a sex columnist who 298 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: said that gay guys rarely enquire about premature ejaculation, which 299 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: prompted Dan Savage to wonder whether it's more of a 300 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: straight guy thing, because, as he wrote, there is no 301 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: premature in quotes ejaculation when it comes to two guys, 302 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: because it's just as he sort of framed it. And 303 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 1: Dan Savage, for those of you who don't know, is 304 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: a really well known sex columnist and controversial to some 305 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: who are cringing that I'm mentioning his name on this podcast, 306 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: But he is a gay man and has experienced directly 307 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: with gay sex, and from his standpoint, there's just no 308 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: premature about it. Because of the nature of gay sex. 309 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: It's an issue of efficiency, yes he put it. He 310 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: put it that way, Yeah, and and clearly that that's 311 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a different dynamic when it comes to men 312 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: and women having sex because as a lot of us know, 313 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: it can often take longer for women to orgasm and 314 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: the fact that two in five women rarely come solely 315 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: through vaginal penetration, right, And so studies have found that 316 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: premature ejaculation is the least reported of the sexual dysfunctions 317 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: among gay and bisexual men. Yeah, there is a study 318 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: looking at this in April two. It was focused specifically 319 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: on sexual dysfunctions in Belgian HIV positive gay men, so 320 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: very specific study example, and among that study population there 321 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: was an eighteen percent premature ejaculation self report, right, so 322 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: lower than that one in three number. But again, maybe 323 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: it's just because we haven't looked into it closely enough. Yeah, 324 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: there was a two thousand nine study in the International 325 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: Society for Sexual Medicine Journal, and of the respondents in 326 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: the study reported some form of sexual dysfunction, and the 327 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: main ones were performance anxiety, low sexual desire, and pain 328 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: during sex. Premature ejaculation just was not one of those 329 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: main sexual concerns. Yeah, and they compared this, The study 330 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: authors compared it to you another study among straight men 331 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: who had a report of past year premature ejaculation. So 332 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: still though not as high as one in three um. 333 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: But the study authors wrote that quote comparing sexual dysfunctions, symptoms, 334 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: and men who have sex with women and men who 335 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: have sex with men and drawing conclusions about their differences 336 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: may not be appropriate as the two groups have different 337 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: cultural norms, interpretation of sexual dysfunction, questions, sexual expectations, and 338 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: gender sex partners. So we might not be able to 339 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: draw inferences from premature ejaculation from gay men based on 340 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: the commonality of it among straight men because it's a 341 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: completely different kind of sex. But really interesting to see 342 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: how perhaps um intra anal ejaculatory latency time might be 343 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: quite different than intra vaginal ejaculatory latency time. But the 344 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: question that brings up once we look at this nuance 345 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: of sexual orientation, how that may or may not so 346 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: much change this number. It leads to this question of 347 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: whether it is really as prominent of a dysfunction as 348 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: we think of with that one in three number that 349 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: is bandied about so often, or whether it's something that 350 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: we're slowly being primed to think of more as a dysfunction, 351 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: because we are in the pharmaceutical age, right where pharmaceutical 352 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: companies are creating a medical solution quote unquote to all 353 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: sorts of quote unquote problems. Yeah, and really we have 354 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: viagraa to thank for that, because viagra is such a 355 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: money maker, right, And so yeah, pharmaceutical companies are looking 356 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: at the profits from Viagra and thinking, well, God, if 357 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: I can prey on other sexual insecurities, then surely I 358 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: can make a pretty penny as well. And so there 359 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: was this two thousand nine New York Times article that 360 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: talked all about this and mentioned that there's little actual 361 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: concrete evidence to suggest that there is an epidemic of 362 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: premature ejaculation in the way that drug commercials or men's 363 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: health articles will tell you that there is. And the 364 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: article also called into question that one in three statistic um. 365 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: It said that it's actually based on a report on 366 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: sexual dysfunction in the US, which has been disputed by 367 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: some sexologists because it was based on a sociology survey 368 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: from that was not created by epidemiologists to answer sexual 369 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: health questions, so that one in three statistic might not 370 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: be so concrete after all, right, because the study from 371 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: twelve in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, our favorite journal lately, 372 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: found a thirteen percent self reported premature ejaculation prevalence rate, 373 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: and this was focused on an Asia Pacific region sample population. 374 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: So it also those seems like whatever, if you change 375 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: the population group that you're looking at, the numbers start 376 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: to change to you. Which is really interesting, Yeah, because 377 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: so much of this has to do with the very 378 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: subjective idea of sexual satisfaction and what does sexual satisfaction 379 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: mean for different populations, both geographically but also in terms 380 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: of your sexual orientation and who you prefer to have 381 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: sex with well, and the set kind of sex to 382 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: you that you are watching. This was something that I 383 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: didn't find any studied data on, but I had to 384 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: wonder whether the accessibility of porn has maybe artificially inflated 385 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: premature ejaculation self reporting. Maybe that is where that proposed 386 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: category of the premature like ejaculation, where guys are perfectly 387 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: in the normal I e L T range, but they 388 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: think that they're coming too soon because they're watching porn, 389 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: where perhaps guys are lasting a really long time, right, 390 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: And a psychologist who's quoted in that New York Times 391 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: article points out, like, hey, everybody, calm down. There's fast 392 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: and slow versions of people in all categories of life. 393 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: They say they're slow and fast walkers, slow and fast eaters, 394 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: slow and fast breathers. And so when you tell someone 395 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: they're a fast ejaculator, it makes it sound like there 396 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: is a right time to ejaculate, and if you ejaculate before, 397 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: it's a medical problem. Yeah. So it's a lot of 398 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: the research left me at least with a number of 399 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: question marks, Like, clearly this is an issue for a 400 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of men and a lot of the sex partners 401 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: of these men. But I feel I do feel like 402 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: that one in three number is being thrown in our 403 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: faces a lot for a very specific marketing purpose. Yeah, 404 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean you have both men and women being told 405 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: that they are dysfunctional when it comes to sexuality, because 406 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: you're telling a lot of women that you're taking too 407 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: long or why haven't you had an orgasm? And you're 408 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: telling men. Men are being told, well, you're you're orgasm 409 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: ing too fast and you're not giving your partner a 410 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: chance to achieve orgasm herself. And so I mean everybody's 411 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: insecurities are sort of being played upon. Yeah, and this 412 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: is still in in the backdrop of culture and society 413 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: where so much of sex, even though it might be out, 414 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, we might consume a lot of poor might 415 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: see sex in TV and movies, but in our day 416 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: to day lives, talking about sex is still largely taboo. 417 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: Sexual communication is still you know, a big challenge for couples, 418 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: whether they're one night standing couples or long term couples. 419 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's definitely a complex issue that I 420 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: think we'll need more than S s R I antidepressants 421 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: to solve. But we're also talking about this as to 422 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: humans with vaginas who don't experience this kind of physiological 423 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: mechanism at all, So fellas, we really want to hear 424 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: from you on this issue, or anyone who has been 425 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: in a relationship where premature ejaculation has been an issue. 426 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you on this topic. Mom 427 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: Stuff at how stuff works dot Com is our email address. 428 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: You can also tweet us at mom Stuff podcast or 429 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: messages on Facebook, and we've got a couple of messages 430 00:28:53,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: to share with you right now. So I gotta let 431 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: here from Elaine about our episode on a brief History 432 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: of panties, and she wanted She pointed out that she 433 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: has no problem with the word panties, so thank you 434 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: for noting that, Elaine. But she had some insight into 435 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: the woolen underwear that we both cringed at the thought of. 436 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: She writes about the wool it actually breathes much better 437 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: than cotton and is highly absorbed, so absorbent that for 438 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: moms who use cloth diapers, there are wool covers called 439 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: soakers that absorb any leaks. Alpaca is super soft. I 440 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: believe it's more expensive than Sheep's wool, and I think 441 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: it's up there with marino wool from Sheep in terms 442 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: of softness. So if you've had an itchy will sweater, 443 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't marino or alpaca. And maybe you have an 444 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: experienced wool that can be non itchy, but it's out there. 445 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: So apparently woolen Andy's could be quite comfortable and absorbent. 446 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: She goes on to say, my girl Scout Troop had 447 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: some training with our outdoor expert before our backpacking camping trip, 448 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: and he told us cotton is rotten and should be 449 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: forgotten in favor of wool. Wool wick sweat away from 450 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: your body. Cotton routine sweat as you hike, for example, 451 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: making you cold or just wet. Anyway, just sharing some 452 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: facts about wool that explain why actually it may have 453 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: made a lot of sense as an undergarment and is 454 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: still used today for babies who wear cloth pipers. So thanks. 455 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: So I have an email here from Molly. She says, 456 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you've done an episode that covers 457 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: mother daughter relationships and touches on some of the anecdotal stuff. 458 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: Mom did tell me stories of your own as well 459 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: as listeners. I heard and loved your podcasts on the 460 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: history of the advice column, but I'm really curious about 461 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: the history of advice given from mother to daughter. The 462 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: demographic of your audience spans a large range of ages. 463 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking that generational differences are bound to pop 464 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: up in terms of advice people received from their mothers, 465 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: and think that I could be a really interesting and 466 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: funny thing to explore. Your history of panties episode made 467 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: me think of this. You mentioned the cotton underwear talk, 468 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: and it reminded me of a piece of advice my 469 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: mother instilled in me. It's pretty silly, the kinds of 470 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: things you just take his fact of life without questioning 471 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: science or reasoning when it comes from your mom. This 472 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of thing happened to me a few weeks ago. 473 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: I was hooking up with a new guy and I 474 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 1: had put my PJS on. My mom always stressed not 475 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: to wear underwear or abroad to bed because quote, it 476 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: gives everything time to breathe. So, without thinking, I climb 477 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: into bed commando and he's a little shocked, as if 478 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: it's like some gift to him. He mentions it in 479 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: this annoying, all knowing tone, and I'm caught off guard. Immediately, 480 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: my brain just goes, hey, this is a fact of life, 481 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: and you don't wear those to bed, It's unhealthy. Instead 482 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: of trying to explain this fact of life out loud, 483 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: I just rolled my eyes and told him it seriously. 484 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: Wasn't meant to impress anyone. So she says thanks to 485 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: reading Love the show. It was one of the best 486 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: discoveries I made this summer. I listened while I worked 487 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: as a housekeeper, and that's not a loaded gender related topic. 488 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what is. Shared it with my mom, 489 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: who has really taken to it as well. Looking forward 490 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: to hearing more great episodes in the future. So thank 491 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: you for listening, Molly, mother daughter, Stuff Mom Never Told 492 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: You fans, I love it, inter generational love it Mom. 493 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: Stuff at house stuff works dot com is where you 494 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: can send us your emails and re links to all 495 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: of our social media as well as all of our blogs, videos, 496 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: and podcasts, including this one with our sources. If you 497 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: want to learn more about the science of premature ejaculation, 498 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: head on over to stuff Mom Never Told You dot 499 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: com for more on this and thousands of other topics. 500 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: Doesn't house to works dot com