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Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: as designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: before we jump into the Surrender, I want to tell

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Speaker 1: you about meat Eater Gifts. From December six through December

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Speaker 1: of all sale orders over fifty dollars on the meat

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Speaker 1: Eater store website will be donated to organizations handpicked by

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Speaker 1: the team. The organization that I'm gonna donate my portion

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Speaker 1: too is Sportsman's Alliance. These guys are guarding the gate.

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Speaker 1: They're protecting our rights as hunters, and that is often

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Speaker 1: a thankless job, and I want to say thanks to

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Speaker 1: Sportsman's Alliance. So if you use the code Clay on

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Speaker 1: your meat Eator store purchase over fifty dollars, that money

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Speaker 1: my top ten picks for gift ideas on the Mediator store,

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Speaker 1: which they got all kinds of stuff. They got tethered saddles,

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Speaker 1: they got game bags, they got knives, they got t shirts,

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Speaker 1: and soon we're gonna have some burglaries. Merch that's coming.

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Speaker 1: Check this out, meteor gifts, Merry Christmas. All right, I

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Speaker 1: just want you guys to know that, uh, this is

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Speaker 1: a whole new crew. You're gonna be heavily scrutinized by

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Speaker 1: the regular render people. Okay, so every word you say

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Speaker 1: amongst the group. So who's usually other render is my wife,

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Speaker 1: Mimry Nukam, sharp as attack, will pin you to the

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Speaker 1: a new group. Welcome to the Burgary Surrender guys. So

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Speaker 1: we have a totally new crew. There's this has only

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Speaker 1: happened one other time, So welcome to the Burgery Srender. Man.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to introduce all you guys. So we

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Speaker 1: honored be here, Clay. I'm welcome man. I'm stoked to

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Speaker 1: And Zack Sandal listens to it because he was pulling

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Speaker 1: I mean, Rusty has high standards. Now, what I did

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Speaker 1: And let's put him in the camp together. Let's see

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, that is almost to the finish line.

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Speaker 1: If I could say that way, and I see that

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00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: with you in Rusting, Yeah, and it and it was

422
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: passed along from from my side. Yes, yeah, your dad

423
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: I's one of one of the best hunters that I know. Yeah,

424
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean he don't hunt much anymore. You know, he's

425
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: getting older now, but uh, I mean he he is.

426
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: I learned everything that I know from him, and he

427
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: is one of the best hunters that I've ever seen.

428
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: And see the first time I ever met you, you

429
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: were with your dad, and I recognize that you and

430
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: your dad had a really strong relationship. And uh, he

431
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: was an official score to just like you are. You

432
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: guys know what we do on the Burgary Surrender? We

433
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: have to Uh, is there anything else we should come? Well,

434
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: I think I want to go around and have you

435
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: Peggan number on how many Burgeries episodes that we've all

436
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: listened to. Oh sure, because yeah, you said you said

437
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: you were pretty dialed, No problem, Um, we sat over under.

438
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: This is totally this is totally going off. Just uh,

439
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: this isn't like data that I have like behind the scenes.

440
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: This is just me interacting with you and this is

441
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: your intuition. I would say Jared has probably listened to

442
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: seventy of them. Justin's listened to five. Rusties listened to

443
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: about five percent or five five total total episodes. Rusties

444
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: listened to one. Probably Dalton's listened to three, Rustin is

445
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: listened to probably eighty percent of them, maybe in the ballpark, ballpark,

446
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: maybe a little a little bit lower. I'm a busy guy,

447
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: i'd say, okay, so off, yeah, well, I'm in law school,

448
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: got United outdoors and fireside apparel. Your recollection of the

449
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: ones you did worked, And Zach, you probably listened to, oh,

450
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: justin showing me as deal? Do you see this? These

451
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: are your top three? So you've listened to more than five?

452
00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: Are offending tomorrow? And Zach, how many of you listen

453
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: to that? I don't know. I was trying to think

454
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: of that. I think you have what thirty two episodes?

455
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: Thirty episodes? I would say I'm over twenty for sure.

456
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm at, you know, like seventies

457
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: and I can't say, okay, now tell me how I did. Uh.

458
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: You were proudly I'm proud about If there were thirty episodes,

459
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I've probably been at that you were in the realm.

460
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: I was impressed. Okay, I was off on Justin just nah,

461
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: but you were exactly correct. And I listened to it today.

462
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: But after listening to it, I locked it and I'm

463
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna start listening to him. Dalton, I think

464
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm exactly three. Actually you said three, Okay, I think

465
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: it's exactly three. Okay, I don't know. Yeah, you should

466
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: give a little spiel about I mean, I think the

467
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: hunt could be summed up. I hadn't seen much for

468
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: the first three days. The last two days, he's been

469
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: in the game. In the game. I am in the game. Yeah,

470
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: he uh yeah, those first two or three days were terrible, terrible.

471
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: But then uh, we moved over here to this new

472
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: area and well lots first, Uh Clay nucom here just

473
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: wrangling private permission. Yeah, we need to start. We need

474
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: to start from the beginning. We came here to hunt

475
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: public land in Arkansas, bow hunt public land starting on

476
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: remember twenty nine. We gotta give credit to Rusty Dalton

477
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: and Rustin from United Outdoors for spending I don't know

478
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: how many hours in boot miles to scout and have

479
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, some ideas laid out for us. But Mother

480
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: Nature came in this same week last year. It was

481
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: on fire. Remember that you were texting me from the

482
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: tree stay And what's cool. What was cool about this

483
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: for me is this is a place that I used

484
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: to hunt but had not hunted it probably it's two

485
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: thousand five, So that that's kind of the overarching thing.

486
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: And then we we got permission on a big piece

487
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: of property over here just for the days we're here.

488
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: Just kind of random deal. We ran into somebody they

489
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: happen to have a big piece of property and they

490
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: happen to let all of us bow hunt it. And

491
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: it's it's a really good piece of property. I mean,

492
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: the fantastic piece. Just the weather and timing is still

493
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: really tough. But Rusty is on one. Tell us your

494
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: story now, Well, I got lucky. You know. We kind

495
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: of all dispersed and kind of spread out, and Clay

496
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of told you where to go, and Clay dropped me,

497
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: dropped me a pen, and so that's where me and

498
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Hunter went. I got lucky. Yeah, that's kind of what

499
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I had in the back of my mind. He was

500
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: guard holding me. But anyway, it turned out really good.

501
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw a lot of deer. We saw

502
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: a really nice eight point come out, grunted him into

503
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: the base of the tree. We decided to let him

504
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: go by everybody else we saw. We saw we saw

505
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: a nice little six point spike. We saw a lot

506
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: of dose over twenty dough. I lost count of how

507
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: many those we saw. So uh we noticed where they

508
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: come out of the woods and uh, right at last light, Uh,

509
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: hunter said, here comes a deer down the fence line.

510
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: He said, I think it's a small buck. So I

511
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: put my binoculars up and I said no, I said,

512
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: that's a shooter. So I mean, we were running out

513
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: a light really fast, and he got into about fifteen

514
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: yards and he smelled us and he started snorting, but

515
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't moving anywhere. He would just stomp his foot

516
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: and he was snort. And I just need him to

517
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: take a couple of private lab at cheer bucks man. Yeah,

518
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: two steps, that's all I needed for him to, you know,

519
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: to get in an opening. And he stood there, he

520
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: stood there. We were losing light, losing light. He finally

521
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: took those two steps. I come to full draw. I

522
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: could not see my pen in the peach side. So

523
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: it was game over at that time at that time,

524
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: so I just let my draw down on and we

525
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: just sat there and he finally he'sed off. So we

526
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: made another play on him tonight, and we again misjudged

527
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: where he was going to come out, and uh, we

528
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: saw him again and he got within fifty yards and

529
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I actually draw it on him. And again it was late,

530
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: low light. I couldn't see my pin and my peep.

531
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have took that shot anyway.

532
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, forty is about my max nowadays. When I

533
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: was younger, I might have shot a little further. But

534
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: so he eased off. So we got one more day

535
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: to make another play on him, and I feel confident

536
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: if he does what he did today, then we might

537
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: have a shot at him. I'm hoping keep my fingers crossed.

538
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, we're all rooting for you man. We need

539
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: some excitement around here. I believe this Dear's would bring

540
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: some excitement to the camp. I mean, hey, he's a

541
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: really good both. I think a spike another rabbit tomorrow

542
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: would bring I think you're right, that's not a noverally

543
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: true statement. The excite and level has never wavered. I

544
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: mean there's been positivity and a lot of chatter going on,

545
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: so you know, it would just be some nice icing

546
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: on the cake to come through in the fourth quarter. Yeah,

547
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: let's be careful not to start any rumors. Deer hunting

548
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: is terrible. Turkey gutting is terrible. Might as well go

549
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: to Missouri. Yeah, I'm kind of starting hunt in Oklahoma.

550
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: So Oklahoma hunting is terrible too, So don't go there. Uh,

551
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: justin What do you think of this hunting? You've you

552
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: hunt it all over the country. Really it's tough, man.

553
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean again, I feel like you can't get past

554
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: the barrier of it being seventy five degrees in December.

555
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you told me on the phone when we

556
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: first talked about this trip, that's gonna be tough. You know,

557
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I didn't imagine it being like this, But I mean

558
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: it was cool to go in. You know, we got

559
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: a mile back in from the truck in some series

560
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: terrain coming you know, from New York and making judgments

561
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: on how where to sit based on like food and

562
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: things like that. It's just like, there's no food here.

563
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you how these deer survive. I

564
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: have no clue and three days to find deer poop.

565
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't poop. I've been intrigued at like

566
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: because I'll say to you and like I we're looking

567
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: at the map, I'm like, where's the food? Like where

568
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Why would these deer get up from one spot like

569
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: they should just lay there and die. There's no now

570
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: besides for no food, there's like baseball and softball size

571
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: rocks underneath, like four inches. The leaves rock ankle busters,

572
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: so if they move to try to find food, they

573
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: break their their ankles. So it sucks to be a

574
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: deer here, and that's probably why we're not around. And

575
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: every treat, if you decide to get up, Rusty will

576
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: kill you. He's got so many drunk cameras out he

577
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: knows when every deer in this county stands up. Yeah. Man,

578
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Well while we're sitting here, you know, our shirts hanging

579
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: off in like swimsuit weather, I'm getting photos of deer

580
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: back home. So as soon as we can wrap this up,

581
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: there's I see actual food on these cameras, that deer eating.

582
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: It's good, I mean. But like I was saying, we

583
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: went back in a mile from the truck, and obviously

584
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: at home too. You have to pick bots based on

585
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: terrain and movement. And like you know, we sat and

586
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: again it felt like nowhere Ville. For two nights or

587
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: two SIPs saw a deer. The first night they were

588
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: just had a range um. And then the next morning

589
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: we sat and man, the only deer we saw, I

590
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: ended up on your back. I want to talk about that,

591
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I rusty. I don't know if I told you the

592
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: whole situation with that dough man. Let me say as well,

593
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I was absolutely thrilled to go back in where we

594
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: did and kill that deer. I hunted back in there

595
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: when I was in college. I think about that spot

596
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: to this day. A fall doesn't go by where I

597
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: don't think about that spot back there where I took

598
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: Justin Yeah, because it was when I cut my teeth

599
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: bow hunting over here. I mean, I left Gary Newcomb's

600
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: camp Camp Newcomb and was flushed out on my own,

601
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I found that spot on topo map

602
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: before on X when we actually went to the store

603
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: and bought a big three by three topo map. But

604
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't been back there. I just moved, have done

605
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: other stuff, you know. So to go back in there

606
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: and even just to kill a dough thrilled. I'm serious.

607
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: That's the highlight of my season. I've killed three pretty

608
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: good bucks. I told Justin As there's a one of

609
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: my arrows is still in a tree over there. Somewhere

610
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: because I missed a deer up there at like forty

611
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: yards in my area, stuck in a tree, and I

612
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: just left it there for the anthropologists in ten thousand

613
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: years when I was in school years ago, and uh yeah, yeah,

614
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: that's gonna be. But I want to talk about this

615
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: dough real quick. This dough came in. We were up

616
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: just under thirty ft we were. We were real high,

617
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: because that's the way you beat a deer's nose. Boys

618
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: get up real high. Passed all the way around us,

619
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: and actually dropped down into the kind of head of

620
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: this hollow. And I was hanging as absolutely far to

621
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: the left as you could in a tree saddle. I've

622
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: got my feet like you know, just like on this

623
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: side of my platform, and I'm just like hanging off.

624
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: And this deer steps out to thirty yards and I

625
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: knew it because I had ranged openings, and I just

626
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: knew it was about thirty yards. The deer, it's it's thick.

627
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: I drew before she came into the opening, and it

628
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: was just perfect. And she got into the opening back

629
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: grunted at her. There was one vine about half the

630
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: size of your pinky that was running up about three

631
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: ft in front of her, right over the vitals, and

632
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: I chose to send it uh that if it deflected

633
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: like it was close enough to her that it wasn't

634
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: gonna be an issue. If that vine had been fifteen

635
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: feet away, it would be a different shot. In in

636
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: my mind, I just hit it right where I was aiming,

637
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: thirty yards And so now the deer is probably forty

638
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: ft below me though, because I'm thirty ft from the

639
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: ground and the deer is at least ten ft below

640
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: the base of the tree. Am I right? So it's

641
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: way down there. Shoot. In my mind, I just see that.

642
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: I just see it just go right where I wanted.

643
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: But still it's a long shot. It couldn't really tell

644
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: the deer mule kicks, runs out there, stops fifty yards away,

645
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's just gonna start tumbling down the hill.

646
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: It stops, it turns, and it starts walking, and I go,

647
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: oh man, and it gets down. It just walks out

648
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: of sight, and then we hear deer start blowing. And

649
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: I know the deer that shot isn't blowing. But in

650
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: your mind you're thinking I just shot blow it, and

651
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: and justin I even said, did I miss that deer,

652
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: and Justin was like, I kind of swear heard you

653
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: hit it, and I said, I could have swear I

654
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: saw me hit it with my eyes. And then but

655
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: then it's there's a big log right behind this dough,

656
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: and I think maybe I went right under that dough

657
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: and it hit that log and just thudded, and it

658
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: sounded like I hit her. Nothing like what goes through

659
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: your mind after releasing an hour seconds and so we

660
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: sat up there for twenty minutes. I get down, I

661
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: walk over to the arrow. Well, first of all, from

662
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: the tree stand, we were glass in the arrow, and

663
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: the arrow has no blood on it that we can tell.

664
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: And I'm in my mind thinking I just tendering this

665
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: deer and this arrow is not adding up. I get down,

666
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: walk over to it, pick up the arrow, and I'm

667
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: telling you that arrow was almost clean and it had

668
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: stomach content on it, very little blood and white hair.

669
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: So I go back up and report to Justin and

670
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: say not good buddy. And we set up in a

671
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: tree for two hours, and I'm like kind of in

672
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: the dumps, just like, man, I just gut shot this deer.

673
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: This is you know, we're gonna track the steer all day.

674
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: We're over a mile from the truck. I finally get

675
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: down start tracking it. Spotty, spotty blood, dark liver, blood,

676
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: not very much liver blood, stomach content and little specks

677
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: of blood. Trail it to the log where we saw it.

678
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: Turns downhill. We get about ten yards from where I

679
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: saw it, and there's a deer laying there dead. And

680
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: I walked down there and I absolutely tin ring that deer.

681
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: I hit it. I counted ribs. I hit it four

682
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: ribs into the rib cage. The deer's quartering away from me,

683
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: one to three, four ribs in entry hole. The arrow

684
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: exited about three inches behind the front shoulder in the

685
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: lower one third of the cavity, entered right here, came

686
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: out right here, knee crops. He showed liver and double

687
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: lung and she walked away, and she walked away in

688
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: that era was covered in She expandable head and it

689
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: was blown. She was blowing stomach contents out of her hole.

690
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: But it was the entry hole had stomach condo. It

691
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: was just wild. I mean, everything about every single factor

692
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: that would tell me gut shot, but my eyes told

693
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: me it was a tin ring. Anyway, it's a good shot.

694
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: It was a good shot, so it worked well. And

695
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: it's a dang good thing that Clay did ten ring

696
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: that thing because I was in charge of the food

697
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: plan and I just planned in a night of venison

698
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: because all I heard was about this on Fire Week

699
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: in December, and boy, we just about went hungry one night. Yeah,

700
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: we were talking about the temperature. Let me yeah, okay,

701
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Well back to my my arrow that is lodged in

702
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: an oak tree, back on that ridge on public land

703
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: that anthropologists will dig up the point of the burgers renders.

704
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: We need to talk about this, uh the Folesome Part

705
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: two podcasts, Killing Bison with Stone Points Jared, what did

706
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: you think what stood out to you? Well? There alright,

707
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: So the one thing that stood out to me is

708
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: the number that I think I heard was thirty two

709
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: bison and bison antiquis. And you know what, it sounded

710
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: like they they harvested these bison with some type of addle,

711
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: addle or spear throwing. We're not What really stands out

712
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: to me is I've butchered's milk, I've butchered some deer.

713
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine the amount of time and effort it

714
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: took to butcher thirty two one thousand pound animals with stones.

715
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: Those people had to be there for days cutting up

716
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: bison meat, like they maybe just lived there for a month,

717
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: And like that part to me was just like, man,

718
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I I cannot imagine that workload. Yeah, that's a good point.

719
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: And what we don't know is how many people there

720
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: were there were there well, and then you know, there

721
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: was some speculation I think it was you and Steve

722
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: going back and forth that these people it was not

723
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: a populous area as far as human beings anywhere on

724
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: this continant at that point in time, to the point

725
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: that you, guys, um, we're saying that it likely wouldn't

726
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: have been uncommon for you not to see anyone that

727
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: you weren't related to for your entire lifetime. Yeah, and

728
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: so I mean, in my mind it is like, okay,

729
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: what like fifteen people twenty people killed thirty two bison?

730
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: I would if I was up there with an that laddle,

731
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: I'd have been like, all right, guys, we gotta we

732
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: got a lot a few of these things run away,

733
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: Like I ain't butcherin for six months. Hey, that's a

734
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: good how many got away though? That that's one thing

735
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: that I was wondering how many was the herd actually,

736
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: how many was actually in the herd? And I can't

737
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: remember in there did he explain why there were no bulls.

738
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: It was just a that's a good point. It was

739
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: a cow calf herd, so they just weren't that time

740
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: of the year breeding was done, and bison segregate like that,

741
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: and they'll be bachelor groups just like white tails, rusty

742
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: bachelor groups, hanging out dog groups. So it was just

743
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: a cold it was in the fall. A question. So

744
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: you say it's a cow calf herd, is there any

745
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: knowledge or speculation around whether they valued the horns for

746
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: antlers off of maybe the males and they might have

747
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: taken it with them. Well, they were not males killed

748
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: at the fulsome site in that pile, because they accounted

749
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: for the skulls of the females and calves, you know,

750
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like they were unaccounted for and they

751
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: were able to tell that it was all females and so,

752
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: and they left all the skulls and because they said

753
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: that there's no value to them, right, so they wouldn't

754
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: carry them because they're too heavy. Yeah, got the select

755
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: cuts and then got out of there. Yeah, it would

756
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: be interesting to know how many got away, because undoubtedly

757
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: you would think some would have gotten away. Yeah, what's

758
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: crazy is like, I mean you shot that dough she

759
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: ran fifty sixty yards? Like how how are they doing this?

760
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: That they're just piled up right there? That's the mystery, man.

761
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean that you would think that they would run,

762
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: like all died in the spot about as big as

763
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: this living room. They all figured they died right there,

764
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: because I mean they weren't they found in the creek

765
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: bed well, but also like the topography that they talked

766
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: about plays into that, being at a box canyon, that

767
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: top But I think it is interesting with that. For one,

768
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things going. I'll take a step

769
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: back in a second. But how they knew it was

770
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: in the fall, I think that was pretty cool. It's

771
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: so straightforward. But when he said it, it's like wow

772
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: to look at that, And I asked him, I thought,

773
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: why did not think of that? Yeah, I should have

774
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: known that. It was really interesting. But with the box canyon,

775
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because immediately I thought, like, yeah,

776
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna disperse. It's crazy to think they drug them

777
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: all to one area to take care of them. We

778
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: knew that they took select cuts, so if you're gonna

779
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: do that, you could just do them where the animals are,

780
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: get what you need and go, so you think it

781
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: would be more dispersed. So I think the topography definitely

782
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: plays into that, especially when you get into the tactics

783
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: from Steve to who was a doctor. Meltzer was the one.

784
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: I think they both could be valid Um. Well, but

785
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: now now Kyle Bell, Kyle Bell, So Meltzer and Steve

786
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: you had the same idea that they were heard it

787
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: in there and all kill and Meltzers, that they were

788
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: coming in there on their own free will. Then that

789
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: that was Kyle Bell, which without knowing the area, I

790
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: it's tough to say. I think both could happen. So

791
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: Steve thought that they were heard it in and they

792
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: got stuck at the top of this box canyon no

793
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: place to escape. Kyle Bell thought they were going there freely,

794
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Bison are gonna do what they want, and they were

795
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: going in there for some sort of mineral and then

796
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that they're going to go in there,

797
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: it's a perfect ambush opportunity. This wasn't on the podcast.

798
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: But this is why the Burgers renders all about the

799
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: manager of the Crowfoot ranch, really sharp uh named Seth.

800
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: He thinks there was a mineral in there too, And

801
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think we never heard an

802
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: opinion from you, man, I gotta go with the experts.

803
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Dr Meltzer has literally devoted like a massive part of

804
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: his career two studying this exact thing. I mean, he's

805
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: still a lot of other stuff too, but I mean

806
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: he literally wrote a textbook. Like the book that he

807
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: wrote is like an academic textbook. I mean it's like

808
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: it's not like a nonfiction like fun read. You know,

809
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: it's like a textbook. Man. So I just gotta believe

810
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: the guy has more data points than he can say

811
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: in a five minutes section on my podcast. And we

812
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: talked a whole lot more. I mean I talked to

813
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: him for hours, and we've now heard him speak on

814
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: the podcast for like twenty one minutes. That's why it

815
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: boiled down to with him. So you know, there's stuff

816
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: you just gotta take out. That being said, these other

817
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: guys who the Seth, this ranch manager, he's running catalog,

818
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: he's on that land all day. He knows that farm.

819
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: He knows that place. You don't think you could push

820
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: him in there. And then Kyle, he's got a convincing

821
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: little SoundBite there. Like I've been on two or bison

822
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: kills with bison. But Steve's point, I think is pretty

823
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: a counter to that which is so strong, which was

824
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: these bison literally may have never seen a bipedal human before.

825
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: They could have walked up to these things and like

826
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: scratched him behind the ears before they killed them. I mean,

827
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, but these aren't domesticated bison like we would

828
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: have today. So potentially the behavior of these animals and

829
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: undoubtedly humans have we know from White talent, and I

830
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: mean it's so clear human predation changes animal behavior, so

831
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: potentially they could have been hearded. Yeah, and and I

832
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: think they probably were heard in there. Do we know

833
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: what the major predation source was at that time? You know,

834
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'd have to look it up.

835
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: But there was some wild predators back then, man, there

836
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: were I'm not sure if the dire wolves, they probably

837
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: weren't around at that time. Definitely some simulation of a

838
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: modern gray wolf. But I mean these bison and Tick

839
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: was came out of a time of predation of like

840
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: massive jaguars that are like three times as big, American cheetahs,

841
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: American lions, sabertooth cats, but I think those were deeper

842
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: into history. It's it really is fascinating. And the other

843
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: thing that's kind of shocking to me, at least from

844
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: what I gleaned from the podcast, was they found the bison,

845
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, remains, they found some fulsome points, but there

846
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: really wasn't any other artifacts that were found, you know,

847
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: not nothing other that suggests that they made camp there

848
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: for a while while they dealt with these bison, or

849
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: that they were in the area for any significant period

850
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: of time. So probably on part three you'll hear David

851
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Meltzer talk more about that, because part three I asked him,

852
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: I said, who were these people? Like, what do we

853
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: know about these people? I mean, these were these were humans.

854
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: They were like us, They had emotions, they had feelings,

855
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: They were just like us. But they used flint rocks

856
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: to clack together to make fire, and they made stone

857
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: points out of church that they they're a little grittier

858
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: than us. But and so I asked him, you know,

859
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: who are these people? And that's when he began to

860
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: talk about how we do not know where they camped.

861
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: And that's his biggest frustration, he told me, as he

862
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: said we were there. We know so much about this site,

863
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: he said, we cannot, for the life of us find

864
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: find where they camped because they had to have camped

865
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: close and there could have been remnants of a camp there.

866
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: But over that long, what's gonna be left is and

867
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: not the best or the other things that they might

868
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: have had. And I said this to Dr Meltzer, and uh,

869
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was an offensive question to

870
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: ask an archaeologist, but I was like, I'm standing at

871
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: the fulsome sight and you would have walked past it

872
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: and it looked like every other place. You wouldn't have

873
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: thought something special happened here. Yeah, looked like every other place.

874
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: And by now, you know the excavation, the second excavation

875
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: by Meltzer was done, and you know it was over

876
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, so it just looked like a drainage,

877
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, And I'm standing there and I think,

878
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: and I asked the guys I'm with, I'm like, how

879
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: do we know there's not something incredible twelve feet under

880
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: the ground right there? Nobody ever dug there. We don't.

881
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: They literally dug up a spot about from from this

882
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: living room wall to probably the kitchen door. I'm telling

883
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: the whole excavated. Know what I could You know, my

884
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: measurements about be wrong, but I'm telling you you could

885
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: have shot a recurve bow any side of that to

886
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: the other one and could have I would have thought

887
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: something this important. They would have went way beyond the

888
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: bounds there. Well, no, you gotta be careful because that's okay.

889
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: And this is when you learn about archaeology, which I'm doing.

890
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: Now you realize how it's like surgery. I mean, it's

891
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: like saying, there's something wrong with this guy, why don't

892
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: you just go in and fix it. Well, it's not

893
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: like I mean, these guys are like taking months and

894
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: months to excavate like a small area. I mean they're

895
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: like removing I mean, so it's just an excavator like

896
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: back in Georgia's time, shave off the bison skull to

897
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: fit in the box. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You got a

898
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: catalog all kinds of data points too, before you can

899
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: even remove the item. Right. Uh, you said that the

900
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: paleontologists got there first and was concerned with the bones

901
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: and everything. But then later the archaeologists came and they

902
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: said that a lot of what the original excavation did

903
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: like took no regard to Uh that's right, Yeah, yeah,

904
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: they were they were they were worried about the bones,

905
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: and so they weren't that concerned about anything else. And

906
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: at the time they excavated it, you know, we didn't

907
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: have the technology that we do now with radiocarbon dating,

908
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and oh, I couldn't get into all the detail of

909
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: what melts Er studied. I mean, it was like wildly

910
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: deep stuff about the sedimentation, the sediment layers. They were

911
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: able to take those ten thousand year old bones and

912
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: understand how long they were in the sun before they

913
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: were covered with silt because the decay, you know how

914
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: a bone, like if you had a deer bone, you know,

915
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: somewhere wherever the sun was hitting it would turn white.

916
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: Where it was touching the dirt, it would maintain its

917
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: natural color. And they felt like with pretty quickly, like

918
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: within a couple of years, that thing was silted over

919
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: and that's the reason it was preserved for ten thousand years,

920
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: and then it was only uncovered once in recent times,

921
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: within the past before Meltzer did was the first time.

922
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: That was the excavation, and they removed everything that They

923
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: didn't leave anything in the ground on purpose. George mcjuncan

924
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: found a small section of bones, you know, imagine a

925
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: thirty two bits and killed right here, and there's a

926
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: drainage right here. The new the flood pushed the cut

927
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: bank of that drainage, you know, imagine three or four

928
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: ft this way, exposed these bones enough for George to

929
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: be like, those are cool. Somebody needs to come down

930
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: here and check this out, you know, and then he dies.

931
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: Nobody comes. Finally they come, and then this guy named

932
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: Carl Schwaheim, who was a friend of George's. The museum

933
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: hired him. He was just he wasn't even an archaeologist.

934
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: He was just a dude, you know. Yeah, And they

935
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: hired him to get them a bison and tic with skull,

936
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: because by that time they had been like, hey, those

937
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: are that's bison andic was that's pretty cool. We need

938
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: one of those. They hired, They hired Carl. Carl goes

939
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: in there, starts digging. Carl finds at Falsome Point, which

940
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: at the time wasn't a falsome point. He just finds

941
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 1: a stone point. It's like, dudes, I found sweet stone point.

942
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. In Meltzer's book he has Carl Schwaheim's

943
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: handwritten notes because Carl was instructed somehow to write notes

944
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: of what he found every day. This is late no, no,

945
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: this would have been nineteen something like that. And and Carl,

946
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: it was a pretty good artist. And he drew in

947
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: his notes the picture of the fulsome point that he found,

948
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: and it looks just like it. And so how big

949
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: are these? They're not real big man. The big ones

950
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: are like three inches long. Probably that long stone that

951
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: they're made out of. Is that native to exactly right there?

952
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: Or did it come from something? Grease podcasts? And he

953
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: didn't even listen to that one? That good. They we

954
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: talked about it on the podcast Rusty. They they got

955
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: that stone from Texas hundred fifty miles away. And oh

956
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: he did listen. Wasn't Steve saying that they were finding

957
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: for or you could find falsome points throughout the west?

958
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: That's right, that's correct. Absolutely, so those those people roamed

959
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: well shared technology. It wouldn't have been necessarily those people

960
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: and the stone wouldn't have come from there, but that tech,

961
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: that technology what he was describing was that that technology,

962
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: and we're calling technology. The design of a point was

963
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: clearly connected to people that were connected to one another.

964
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: Like if you made a falsome point, it's to me,

965
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: is so neat from a human perspective? Is that falsome

966
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: point represents so much more than just a stone point

967
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: to kill an animal. If if you're in Montana and

968
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm in New Mexico and we make the same stone point,

969
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: I gave wrong to you. We share the same value system.

970
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: We probably shared the same understanding of who God is.

971
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: We probably share the same value system of who, how

972
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: we hunt, how we managed to land, how we raise.

973
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much more that's transferred. And

974
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: what's so fascinating, and Steve did such a cool job

975
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: of bringing it out, is that the stone point isn't

976
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: necessarily I mean, of all the things that could have

977
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: been left, the stone point just happens to be made

978
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: of a material that is basically yeah, and so all

979
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: the everything else is gone. We have a stone point.

980
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: It's a shame that that's all we have, because there's

981
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: just like so many questions left unanswered, but it also

982
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: makes kind of fun. Oh it's sweet because it's it's

983
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: a symbology of it. Like we're looking at just a

984
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: stone point and essentially writing and narrative, well, trying to

985
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: put together historical context, but then building a narrative and

986
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: trying to get you know, an inference from this. And

987
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it. What you know, you're joking

988
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: about your arrow and you know, someone to find ten

989
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: thousand years, But like, let's take the arrow out of it.

990
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: What do we have that's that symbolic? Because like, as

991
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: you're saying, those people are connected from that one point.

992
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: What is something today that if someone found ten thousand years,

993
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: would it even last? For one, wouldn't make it there?

994
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: But then what is something that's that significant? When I

995
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: was trying to think about it, I don't know if

996
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: there is something people shooting expandable broadheads I was I

997
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: was wondering what the cutting dia was on that falsome point.

998
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, how effective that expandable? And they go, these

999
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: guys were real chumps. Hey, actually, rusty, I have three

1000
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: expandables and three four four blades fixed heads in my quiver,

1001
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: and I've shot way more fixed blades over the last

1002
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Next spandals, I'd no need to be proud.

1003
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: I just killed stuff and it dies. U. Now that

1004
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: what's so awesome. It's the mystery of this that is

1005
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: what makes it so unique. How did they kill these bisons?

1006
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: We don't know, We wouldn't need I thought Steve's I mean,

1007
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: this is what Steve's good at, is like the idea

1008
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: that this was just a snapshot of time. Yeah, and

1009
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: trying to understand if this was a big deal or

1010
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: if it wasn't. Yeah, a day, just a normal day.

1011
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: Oh well, we need to go and get our meat

1012
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: harvest for the next three weeks. Let's go get them.

1013
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: Were they talking about it for years or did they

1014
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: talk about it for the rest of them? This is

1015
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: the pictograph on every wall in New Mexico? Is this

1016
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: bison hunt? Incredible? Yeah? It makes me think, like how

1017
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: much of that got like when that flood came, how

1018
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: much of that stuff is four or five yards down further?

1019
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, so many of those you know bones.

1020
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: That brings up a good question of mine that I had,

1021
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: or my major question of pivotal point is there's so

1022
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: many different weather events and different climate changes in the

1023
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: past ten thousand years. I'm wondering if some kind of

1024
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: weather event maybe artificially moved them together the site, or

1025
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: maybe the erosion and then the covering the erosion, how

1026
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: many cycles of that occurred over ten thousand years, and

1027
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: how that may have affected the site. Uh, there's just

1028
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: a lot of questions that I have that I don't.

1029
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would. We'll see, we we do.

1030
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: We do, like with with the certainty that with the

1031
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: highest level of scientific certainty, what they did when they

1032
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: went back seventy years later at fulsome if you if

1033
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: you read that textbook that full that that that Dr

1034
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: Malison between all the law No, that's that's exactly what

1035
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: they went back to understand was that they call it,

1036
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: uh the paleo geography, which is what was the geography

1037
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: of the land, uh paleo to what is it paleo topography,

1038
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: which is the the geology of the land throughout the

1039
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: time period because the geology has changed, but also the

1040
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: I think he called the the stratigraphy of the land,

1041
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: which is the stratification of it. They're able to basically

1042
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: tell by the deposition and the layers that this this

1043
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: was not moved here by erosion number one. And he

1044
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: went on and on, and I asked him, and I

1045
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: just clipped out these, you know, kind of highlight points.

1046
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: But I mean, what what they do, what archaeologists do,

1047
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: is determined that this happened culturally, not by the events

1048
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: of the natural world, like pushing the stuff together, because

1049
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: that could happen, like, for example, you know, you could

1050
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: have a bison kill down three or four ft below

1051
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: the surface and have gophers digging holes and burrows down

1052
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: there and knocking a stone point from the surface down

1053
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: there and falling. Then you find a bison kill with

1054
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: a stone point there, and you go, holy cow, you

1055
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: know they're the same. Man. These boys make a living

1056
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: making sure that is not the case. And there's a

1057
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: phrase they use called n C two which means in place.

1058
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's probably French for in place. Why

1059
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: we're using French words, I don't know. But basically, when

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01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: they found that point, that fulsome point in between two ribs,

1061
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't stuck in a rib. I thought it was stuck.

1062
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: Half the time I researched this, I thought they were

1063
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: saying it was stuck in a rib, And it was not.

1064
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: It was laid in between two ribs. And there's an

1065
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: iconic photo and I'll put it on my Instagram of

1066
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: two ribs. And you know how we've all probably found

1067
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: air heads in the ground when you just see half

1068
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: of it sticking up and you're like, that's in C

1069
01:01:54,200 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: two and and this was that. And then they found

1070
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: so many there was so many data points they can

1071
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: I think they can understand the flaking on a point

1072
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: to understand how old it is, so like these bones

1073
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: are tent that radio carbon date ten thousand years, these flakes,

1074
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, the stone points come back as being verified

1075
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: of being that old. So it's like everything there. The

1076
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: sediment was that it was like no question. So it's

1077
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: pretty little. Oh it's a d settled. See what I

1078
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: feel for Dr Meltzer though, is the various degrees of

1079
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: quality control throughout this whole thing. Like, yes, he has

1080
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: a historical context and he can put this together, but

1081
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: he talked about like you know, the archaeolologists from the paleontologists,

1082
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: but then even the way they mapped it, it would

1083
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: be nice if he could just go and do it

1084
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: like you know, and get the full picture, because like

1085
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: how tough is that knowing someone And I was thinking

1086
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: about that, like people are trying to shoot wholes saying

1087
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: that humans have people haven't been around for ten thousand years,

1088
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: and it's like you could look and be like, that's

1089
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: not a credible source. He could have dropped that there,

1090
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: landed it lied whatever. Man, it would be tough to

1091
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: try to figure this out using no or knowing that

1092
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: folks who don't know as much as you do now

1093
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: because we've progressed and we have better technology kind of

1094
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: just went through and dug up some bones. And you

1095
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: got to take that into account when you're trying to

1096
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: draw conclusion from all this, like likes another detective has

1097
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: already ramsized trying to figure out but what And just

1098
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: to clarify the whole conversation, Meltzer the it was long

1099
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: time ago established that this site was legitimate in when

1100
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: those guys were like this, I mean, the leading archaeologists

1101
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: in North America came and said this is legit. There's

1102
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: no way to argue this. This is real. Humans killed

1103
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: bison antiquolis before absolutely, so that was never in question.

1104
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: When Meltzer went back. Meltzer went back to discover a

1105
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: whole lot of other questions that they had. Okay, so

1106
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: that was never in question. But um, and there's a

1107
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: oh man, A bunch of Meltzer's textbook is about all

1108
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: the drama with that. And it was really informative because

1109
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: you see, it's good, like archaeology is highly scrutinized, Like

1110
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: they don't just you just just roll up and find

1111
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: a point and be like, yeah, we've been here for

1112
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: three or tho years and then everybody believes like highly scrutinized.

1113
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: But what it was interesting to me is that it

1114
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: was clear that it was highly influenced by human ego.

1115
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he wrote about it. He he was like

1116
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: this guy, didn't like this guy, and he was trying

1117
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: to discredit it for no good reason. And so there's

1118
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: that going on, like these leading archaeologists, you know, like

1119
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: trying to discredit someone because they didn't find it or

1120
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: so there was some of that going on, but this

1121
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: was so clear cut that like every the leading archaeologist

1122
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: at the time, I can't remember his last name, maybe

1123
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: it's Brown. Within a week of him being at fulsome

1124
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: he went out and he actually took the one of

1125
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: the big full points and he was a big enough

1126
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: wig that he was able to just say, I'm taking

1127
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: that with me, and he took it to all his

1128
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: lectures and he said, man has been in North America

1129
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: for ten thousand that one. And when he said that,

1130
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: it was like, no one was gonna argue with this guy.

1131
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: But it was groundbreaking shattered. And what I'm gonna talk

1132
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: about in podcast number three is it shattered people's idea

1133
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: of life on planet Earth. Yeah. I mean, like we

1134
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: thought humans had been in North America for three thousand

1135
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: years and all of a sudden, we've been here for

1136
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: ten thousand. It kind of like destabilized people. So when

1137
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: you showed up to this site, you know some places

1138
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: that you show up with historical significance or or what

1139
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: have you, You just like there's an aura about it.

1140
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: You like get chills. It's it's kind of just like

1141
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: an experience to be there. It was falsome that way

1142
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: for you. It was really neat being there. I can't

1143
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: say that, uh, I mean it was kind of an

1144
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: academic experience in some ways, just uh, just going there

1145
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: and seeing it and trying to understand what happened, and

1146
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: then being there with the experts and stuff. But I'd

1147
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: be lying if I said it was it. It was

1148
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: totally like that for me. Now when I come back

1149
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: and I really study it and kind of put it

1150
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: together afterwards, it is. I wouldn't say that. When I

1151
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: was there it was like that. But when I asked

1152
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: him about that the other day we were driving in

1153
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: the truck, he was like, it looked like that, pointed

1154
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: out the window. He said, it could be. It doesn't

1155
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: look the same. It's not the way it was. So

1156
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: that's true, it doesn't. It's it does not look like

1157
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: a box canyon anymore. Yeah, it just I mean, it

1158
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: just it looks like a it looks like a drainage,

1159
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: and drainage I mean like like probably like ten foot

1160
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: down if you're standing in the bottom of it. The

1161
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: stream bab would be like four or five ft wide,

1162
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 1: and they're thanks going up this way and this way,

1163
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: and it just kind of it kind of goes up

1164
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: just a little bit and then flattens out. But oh,

1165
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: I imagine like these platole walls and from it was,

1166
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: it was not it was indescript place interesting, but the

1167
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: box canyon. And I don't fully understand how they understood

1168
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 1: what it looked like that, but they but they did,

1169
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, you'd walk right past it. Not well,

1170
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: Eric Sigfried was drawn couple maps like a hundred years

1171
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: before he came up with the Onyx hunt APT. I

1172
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: just didn't know about it, so it would say that again,

1173
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: that joke went right over my head. The on X founder.

1174
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: I was just joking that he had that box canyon

1175
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: mapped out. That was on X joke. Got it. It

1176
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: also makes you wonder what's hiding under completely ordinary places

1177
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: just all around us totally. I mean that was what

1178
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: that was what I said, how much of planet Earth

1179
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: has been explored by an archaeologist to this detail? You know,

1180
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: very very like that. It's that way. I like it.

1181
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to know everything. I want there to

1182
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: be mystery absolutely well, what what is so hard for

1183
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: us to understand when you look back at human history

1184
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: and like the fulsome people as we define the fulsome

1185
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: people as being defined by this technology of the points

1186
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: that they used, they were around for about a thousand years.

1187
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: The fulsome points were in fashion for a thousand years.

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: That seems like when I say that, does that sound

1189
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: like a long time or a short time? Does it?

1190
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm sitting here I was just thinking about like

1191
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: ten thousand years, that's not even really comprehendible for me. Yes,

1192
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: a thousand years is still like holy like still kind

1193
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: of incomprehendible. So here's my here's my point about how

1194
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: we live in this. We live in the most bizarre

1195
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: human experience of humans that have ever lived on planet Earth.

1196
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, for a hundred years we've been using fossil

1197
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: fuels and driving trucks and cars, having electricity, having the

1198
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: technology to be able to have a conversation. This would

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: have been supernatural stuff to a falsome hunter. If we

1200
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: could say there will be people that will listen to

1201
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: this conversation in the future, they would be like, what

1202
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of witch doctor you man? I mean, we live

1203
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: in such a bizarre human experience that we think that

1204
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: we're normal, and that we think that this is normal.

1205
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: This is not normal to humans at least if we

1206
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: look back at human history and we are so stink

1207
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: and arrogant thinking and I'm talking like as a as

1208
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: a as mankind to think that we know everything, that

1209
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: everything is tame, and that everything is discovered, and that

1210
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: everything is under stood because science, that technology and science

1211
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: has just skyrocketed, you know, it means human knowledge was

1212
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: on a graph. It would be a J curve, you know,

1213
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: starting about two years ago, and it would have got

1214
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: steeper and steeper and steeper and steeper the last fifty years.

1215
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: And then you hit the Internet and it comes a

1216
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: roller coaster and you yeah, but there's so much we

1217
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: don't know and we'll never know, and there's so much

1218
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: yet to be discovered. I mean, this stuff like this,

1219
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: I think is designed to keep us humble. Yeah. Yeah,

1220
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: they were using that point for a thousand years, and

1221
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: I'd switch broadheads halfway through seasons something. The reign of

1222
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: the expandable head will be about thirty years. Did you

1223
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: get to hold the falsome point? Yeah, I mean not

1224
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: the ones they found, so that was nothing. I asked

1225
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: Dr Meltzer is like where is all this stuff? Like

1226
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: where are the bison? Where are the falsome points? And

1227
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: they're sca it around, you know. I mean it was

1228
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: a hunt almost a hundred years ago, and things were

1229
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: way different back then when they excavated most of that

1230
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: stuff out. For instance, this big wig archaeologists just carried

1231
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: a point with him and they found it, as I

1232
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: understand it, they found it in his desk drawer after

1233
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: he died, like whenever he passed away, so like he

1234
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: had just like kept it in his personal collection. And

1235
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: this is like a really incredible point should be in

1236
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: a museum, and he's got it in his desk, you know,

1237
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: and they found it. So they still some of the

1238
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: points are unaccounted for hunt right now, where did you

1239
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: get that? Dr Meltzer has in his in his textbook.

1240
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: He they have a graphic that shows every single point

1241
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: they found, the front and the back, so they'll be

1242
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: two images the front in the back. And I mean

1243
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: so they documented every single one they found sound and

1244
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: as I understand it, well maybe they don't have documented

1245
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,919
Speaker 1: the ones that were lost. I think they documented sixteen,

1246
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: but they said there was twenty, and so there's four

1247
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: that are still like probably in the wash, you know,

1248
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: somebody probably washed the stars those old starge units. But

1249
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: so but there are fulsome points, real fulsome points in

1250
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: a lot of places. I mean I couldn't I wouldn't

1251
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: even know where to start to tell you like how

1252
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: many we have, but I mean, for sure thousands and

1253
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: you could find one today. We were at a farm

1254
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: in Nebraska a couple of weeks ago. And the farmer

1255
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: shows Steve Ronell and I his collection and he's got

1256
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: half a fulsome point that he found on his farm

1257
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: in Nebraska. So I mean it's not it's very uncommon,

1258
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: but at the same time they're around. So when I

1259
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: was at the Fulsome Museum, which if you ever go

1260
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: in that part of the world, you gotta go there.

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01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: It's really cool. Um it's just like this old time.

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: It's not like you know, it's kind of museum and

1263
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: go in and pick stuff up. Yeah. Yeah. So there's

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01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: this case of falsome points and I'm like, can I

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: open that? And there he was like sure, And I'm

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: gonna post a post a video at some point of

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01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: me holding a falsome point and uh yeah. So they're

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: around my kind of museum. Yeah, yeah, they're around. But

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: we will nerd out on the technology of the falsome

1270
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: point on the fourth episode. You guys do some kinnetic

1271
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: energy testing and stuff. Oh man, I talked to the

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01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: as my understanding goes, the nation's leading expert on addle addles.

1273
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: He did his PhD on addle addles, and he uh

1274
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: detail on on why they use that, why that technology

1275
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: the falsome point was so good Yeah, it's it's it's

1276
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 1: really neat. It's I just again like I'm that one's

1277
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: very interesting to me because I mean, I've I've shot

1278
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: enough critters with you know, a compound bulb ping seventy

1279
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: pounds that you get three inches of penetration when you

1280
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: hit up you know, some bone inside of a white tail. Yeah.

1281
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,440
Speaker 1: Like the fact that these people were hand sharpening rocks,

1282
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,520
Speaker 1: fixing them to a wooden arrow of some sort with

1283
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: what like cattail fibers or something. I'm just making some

1284
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 1: and then hawking them presumably out of an addle addle

1285
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: and they were able to kill thousand pound animals that way,

1286
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. That is insanity to me. Yeah. Thus,

1287
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: I would like a YouTube demonstration with you an a

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: laddle and a fulsome point. That's a good idea. Much.

1289
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: There's quite a bit more to come. We're only halfway

1290
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: through the series, so there's two more full podcasts, and

1291
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: the things, the things that the guys bring up next time,

1292
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: I think are just as intriguing as this first one was.

1293
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: It's interesting too, is that this isn't the only one

1294
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: we have. I mean, there's other really unique sites. Um,

1295
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: the Clovis site, the Clovis site was basically a similar thing,

1296
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: but it was mammoth kill. So I mean it was

1297
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: the same story, except it wasn't. I mean, it wasn't

1298
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: the same story. George mcjunking did what I you if

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: George mcjunking had ridden his horse down there and found

1300
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: that too. Boys, there's another one down there about four

1301
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: hundred miles you might want to check it out. I

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01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: believe it's a mammoth what, George, Well, it's been super

1303
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: fun sharing camp with all you guys. Really has we

1304
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: man for having such a crumby week of deer hunting.

1305
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: We really have had a great time. I hope some

1306
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,919
Speaker 1: of the group text comes out on the media episode

1307
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: because the people deserve to see it. Well, hey, I

1308
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: hope Rusty wins this contest with a big You kill

1309
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: a big buck tomorrow that beats a dough and a rabbit,

1310
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: thank you. Well, you don't know, is that me and

1311
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: Justin Michel think that that buck might end up on

1312
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: our side of the road tomorrow. Wouldn't be. There's a

1313
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: big old rub rought behind our trees stand and I

1314
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: can see I'm sure he's working that entire I think

1315
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: it was him I mean, how many bucks are gonna

1316
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: be rubbing on trees that big? That's probably hire. It

1317
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: really is probably him. Now, whether he's there in the evening,

1318
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope he comes to you because

1319
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill him. Well you would love

1320
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: to kill this Well, it's it's Uh, it's been really

1321
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: fun sharing a camp with with Jared and Zach. You know,

1322
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: I've knowing you guys. This first time we really spent

1323
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: much time together. So it's been a pleasure. Yes, it has.

1324
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: I've been I've been looking forward to this hunt all

1325
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: the year. And even though it's it's been tough hunting.

1326
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: As I said, it's it's going to be a highlight

1327
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: of my fault. Good, no doubt about it. Good resting,

1328
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: keep studying. Man. Oh yeah, I got finals next week,

1329
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: so that's awesome. Here, well, it's a gambling for the morning.

1330
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: Give give us the sixty second spill on how you're

1331
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill this buck in the bottom of the night. Okay,

1332
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: So I've made the decision. I'm going to hunt where

1333
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: we wanted this evening in the morning, against my again,

1334
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: against your advice. Uh, We're gonna slip in there. We'll

1335
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: probably stay in there a couple of hours. We're getting

1336
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: up early and yeah, up at one o'clock. Yeah, and

1337
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: then uh, we'll come back here and we're really gonna

1338
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: think it over really hard. And then we're gonna go

1339
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: back right in the middle of the day and we're

1340
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: gonna look at this spot really hard, and I'm gonna

1341
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: pick me a tree and I'm gonna kill that buck.

1342
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: All right. It sounds like it's pretty simple. It's just

1343
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: that it's that simple taking us to class. So I've

1344
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: been full drawing twice. If I come to full draw time,

1345
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: fantastic idea. What's that a decoy lowered out of your

1346
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: stand right at dark? You wouldn't want to put a

1347
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: decoy out there throughout the whole day because it would

1348
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: mess up all the doughs. You need all the dos

1349
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: to come by. You. You've got a decoy in the stand,

1350
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: You assemble it in the stand, put an eye hook

1351
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: right through its back, and then about thirty minutes before dark,

1352
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: you'd lower it to the ground the tree. And when

1353
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: that buck came out, he walked straight to the six

1354
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: point six point and he nudged him. He didn't really

1355
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: get aggressive with him, but he just reached over, and

1356
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: is this not that would work in the white Tail

1357
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: books fifty years from now because of this out of

1358
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: the tree, that will work. And they'll find that they'll

1359
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: find my point up on that mess man. This guy

1360
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: he must have Wow, get driving, drive into the closest

1361
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: past prow and you better go get you a decoy.

1362
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: The one thing that they'll find ten thousand years from

1363
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: now that will survive is that. But with the jayhook

1364
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: in the back, they're gonna make all kind of cultural

1365
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: assumptions these days are crazy now. The ones that I'm

1366
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna make the nucom lower bill Uh. Decoys, you're gonna

1367
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: have the stone point that you run your rope through

1368
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: that's stuck in the dude there, you better make the

1369
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: you better, you know, fabricate some good stuff to stick that. Yeah,

1370
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: just a mess with the anthropologist. Thanks to Time, guys,