Speaker 1: Hey, folks, and welcome to Movie Crush. It's Chuck Bryant here,
Speaker 1: and uh boy, I gotta tell you this week is
Speaker 1: a pretty special episode. Uh this one needs a little
Speaker 1: bit of set up, and I urge you to, uh
Speaker 1: to listen to this one because the background of Tig
Speaker 1: Nataro's interview and how this thing started was, uh, well,
Speaker 1: well here's here's what went down. So I had met
Speaker 1: Tig before at her comedy festival that she curates every year,
Speaker 1: Benson Ball in Washington, d C. And Josh and I
Speaker 1: do our stuff you should know, live there usually every year,
Speaker 1: and was lucky enough to meet her last year and
Speaker 1: she's just really sweet and a very nice person. And
Speaker 1: so I hit her up to be on this show
Speaker 1: because she was coming through town to perform, and she
Speaker 1: said yes. It was very sweet of her to do so.
Speaker 1: And so day of the show, waiting for her to
Speaker 1: get here, texting with her assistant who was traveling with her,
Speaker 1: and uh, they said, all right, she's here, meet us downstairs.
Speaker 1: Met her downstairs. I was really excited because I adore
Speaker 1: Tick Nataro in her comedy, as I'm sure everyone listening does.
Speaker 1: And I meet her downstairs in our building and she's, Um,
Speaker 1: she's just a little weirdly removed, I guess the best
Speaker 1: way to say it. She's a very warm, friendly person,
Speaker 1: So it was different than I was expecting to get. Uh.
Speaker 1: She wasn't being mean or anything. She wouldn't be in
Speaker 1: a jerk, but I could tell something was going on,
Speaker 1: and I was uh, kind of walked around the building
Speaker 1: a little bit and then got on the elevator, and
Speaker 1: the whole time she was just sort of nodding and
Speaker 1: being being nice enough, but something was off, and I
Speaker 1: could tell something was off. So we get up here
Speaker 1: in the studio and she needs a moment to uh,
Speaker 1: to go to the little podcaster's room. So I walk
Speaker 1: her over there to the bathroom and say, here you go,
Speaker 1: I'll be inside. It's fine. She takes a while. She
Speaker 1: gets on the phone outside and it's sort of having
Speaker 1: a it looks like a fairly intense conversation, and uh
Speaker 1: wraps that up, and then we get into the studio.
Speaker 1: We sit down and we we are just sort of
Speaker 1: small talking initially, and she starts to cry right there
Speaker 1: in front of my face, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do. Um, she's just sort of crying and saying
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I go all right, listen, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a minute. And her assistance actually
Speaker 1: in the studio with us so said, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you all a sec uh and step out, um and
Speaker 1: let you, you know, deal with whatever's going on here.
Speaker 1: So I go out and I start chatting with producer
Speaker 1: Noel and I'm like, ticks in there crying and he,
Speaker 1: you know, he saw what was going on through the
Speaker 1: through the window here, and nobody knows what to do.
Speaker 1: Jerry's kind of over there too, and we're all just
Speaker 1: sort of wondering what we should do. So I give
Speaker 1: it a little bit of time. Finally, her assistant comes
Speaker 1: out and says, hey, she's good. She wants to do this.
Speaker 1: So I was like, are you sure and he says yes,
Speaker 1: come back in the studio. I sit down and I said,
Speaker 1: listen to it. Said, we do not have to do this.
Speaker 1: I said, whatever you've got going on is more important
Speaker 1: than this silly little show. And I will not think
Speaker 1: any less of you. Uh. If you want to postpone
Speaker 1: or cancel or whatever, I said, you take care of
Speaker 1: yourself here. That's what's important. And she said, she said,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I'll be all right. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, and uh, I was like, are you sure.
Speaker 1: She said yeah, and she looked at me, and she
Speaker 1: looked at her phone own and she was sort of
Speaker 1: still wiping tears from her eyes, and she said it
Speaker 1: looks like I'm gonna live. And I just stopped, and
Speaker 1: I start to get a little emotional, honestly because I'm
Speaker 1: a sensitive guy. And I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: And she said that was my doctor and she said,
Speaker 1: I had my five year ah results from my cancer
Speaker 1: treatment come back. And it was basically a call I
Speaker 1: was have been waiting on for three days on whether
Speaker 1: or not the cancer was back, and if the cancer
Speaker 1: was back in the way that they thought it could be,
Speaker 1: it would be a death sentence for me. And I
Speaker 1: just got the call I'm gonna live. And I am
Speaker 1: like literally fighting back tears at this point. Uh. She's
Speaker 1: two ft from me, and it's a very intense situation
Speaker 1: and she's sort of crying laughing at this point. So
Speaker 1: it's a good call. That's the great news. Um. But
Speaker 1: she was just overcome, obviously, And so we kind of
Speaker 1: chat for a moment and about she she called her
Speaker 1: her wife, Stephanie and shared the good news with her
Speaker 1: and they were crying and it was just really a
Speaker 1: super super special moment. But even so, even though it
Speaker 1: was good news, I said, listen, seriously, I know it's great,
Speaker 1: but if you you still don't have to do this,
Speaker 1: like we're literally sitting here about to talk about the
Speaker 1: movie mask and I don't blame you if this is
Speaker 1: like not what you want to do right now. And
Speaker 1: she said no, and she said, you know what, she said,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I want to do right now.
Speaker 1: So that's the setup for this episode. Uh, my second
Speaker 1: interview ever with someone um for the show, not like
Speaker 1: the most accomplished interviewer yet, so needless to say, I
Speaker 1: was sort of on ice skates at this point, um,
Speaker 1: but it made for a really good conversation and I
Speaker 1: just really hope you enjoy it. So here we go
Speaker 1: with Tick Nataro and mask Man. Well, and especially after
Speaker 1: everything well and I'm right at my five year um
Speaker 1: mark where I was supposed to be technically in remission
Speaker 1: and people have been congratulating me, and I've been like
Speaker 1: walking around with like, well or I might be terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, so I've just been like, come on,
Speaker 1: let's just get this news and um uh. And a
Speaker 1: funny addition to this is that Thomas was just talking
Speaker 1: about how uncomfortably is with people crying. I've never cried.
Speaker 1: We've worked together now for a long time. I've never
Speaker 1: cried in front of him. And then I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: like the day after, he was like, well, I'm a
Speaker 1: little awkward when people cry, Like, oh no, I have
Speaker 1: to release this. Um this sad but very excited, new
Speaker 1: excited energy. Yeah. He was specifically talking about ex girl friends.
Speaker 1: Okay on track good, I'm alive. Stephanie knows. I told him.
Speaker 1: I told him. I told her, and she was texting
Speaker 1: that she was crying, and I think that really triggered me. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and you have kids now, it's like not that it's
Speaker 1: ever a light, but that I have a lot in
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, I love that's awesome. So everything's going
Speaker 1: great with the kids, Yeah, everything's I mean, I really
Speaker 1: have a pretty splendid life. Yeah, so there'd be a
Speaker 1: lot to mourn. Yeah. So uh yeah, anyway, boy is
Speaker 1: going to go down and history me too, Me too,
Speaker 1: um my apologies. Oh no, they're everyone. I think you
Speaker 1: have this thing where everyone cares about you so much
Speaker 1: as fans because you've been so open about all your
Speaker 1: experiences the past few years. So I think everyone feels
Speaker 1: like like you get a collective hug from your fan base,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if you can feel that, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you can. I definitely can. So Thomas gets the
Speaker 1: residual stuff at the merge booth. Are you doing season
Speaker 1: two of What Mississippi's coming out September eight? I'm so glad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so great. Um, I think it has one of
Speaker 1: those I think the quality that I find a lot
Speaker 1: of TV shows is attracted to me is heart and
Speaker 1: um like Master of None is another one, and I
Speaker 1: think both those shows just have so much heart. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's something you can't manufacture, you know. So uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's great, you can manufacture, it's just do you
Speaker 1: want to watch it? Yeah? Well exactly, Paul start, I guess.
Speaker 1: But my family families from Mississippi, so it's sort of
Speaker 1: that's what he was. He was reading that to me
Speaker 1: in the car. Oh, how how did you know Wikipedia? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is that on there? My family in Mississippi. They started
Speaker 1: an email chain that I was on talking about how
Speaker 1: I have a Wikipedia page, and they were all like oh,
Speaker 1: chiming in, like wow, right, guys, I've actually done a
Speaker 1: lot of other things and you could probably have your
Speaker 1: own Wikipedia page to write I mean somehow someway. Um,
Speaker 1: but this is not my biggest, biggest accomplishment. I hope not. Well,
Speaker 1: I think for a long time and stuff, you should
Speaker 1: know how to page. But I was like, no, why
Speaker 1: don't I have a personal page? And then that happened.
Speaker 1: I was like, be careful what you wish for. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: my family, my dad's uh ancestry is from like Tupelo
Speaker 1: and Jackson, and I don't know, that's your that's your family.
Speaker 1: You have to you know all the towns of Mississippi, right,
Speaker 1: So I went there as a kid growing up and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of cool to see, um, although you
Speaker 1: didn't grow up there, right. I was born in Jackson.
Speaker 1: Then we moved to Pastristam, Mississippi on the Gulf Coast,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, we moved outside of Houston to Spring, Texas,
Speaker 1: and then I used to spend our summers in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and Jackson and Hattsburg and pastors Stan Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're familiar with this weather, don't you out too much? Good?
Speaker 1: Were your early days in Houston? Like, were you a
Speaker 1: big movie goer? Was? How did did they factor in? Um?
Speaker 1: I went and saw Greece and Star Wars, which are
Speaker 1: kind of my two big movies. Uh, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I remember going to see Eddie Murphy his concert films,
Speaker 1: and also you know all Molly Ringwald movies. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: just all that kind of I guess rat pack type
Speaker 1: of stuff, Molly ringwalden I was. I think I've always
Speaker 1: been a little more of a music person, and I
Speaker 1: followed stand up a lot also until I got into it,
Speaker 1: comedy records and um, but yeah, I think consistently through life,
Speaker 1: I'm always more heavily in the music world. Thomas and
Speaker 1: I were driving to Georgia yesterday, and I mean just
Speaker 1: going through anywhere from the Indigo Girls to Frightened Rabbit
Speaker 1: to Ronnie James Dio. You know, yeah, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't just somehere. But it was a fun. Uh, it
Speaker 1: was a fun little drive. So you drove on this uh,
Speaker 1: I think you said you were Mississippi and then Oxford, Yeah, Oxford, Birmingham, Atlanta. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Thomas and we're talking before how do we mention who
Speaker 1: Thomas is? Yeah, Thomas is your assistant. It was feet
Speaker 1: from us, giggling in the background, smiling so proud of me. Right, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we were talking about stuff you show did a Birmingham show,
Speaker 1: and just how sometimes when you go to places like
Speaker 1: Birmingham and Oxford, they're just so appreciative. It's just really lovely. Well,
Speaker 1: I was reading um about Birmingham and I guess it's
Speaker 1: the number one unless I have completely wrong information, but
Speaker 1: the number one most liberal city in the Southern States.
Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, m hmmm, probably of a certain size.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't imagine a more liberal than like Athens, Georgia. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. How do you measure how
Speaker 1: liberal are places too? I'm not sure, but I could
Speaker 1: believe that though Birmingham is pretty cool. I think it's
Speaker 1: a pretty cool rep Yeah, I was. I was stunned.
Speaker 1: And I think Atlanta was ranking fourth. Yeah, where the
Speaker 1: city of Atlanta is, Um, it's fairly liberal and like
Speaker 1: the in town neighborhoods are, well, I know it's fairly
Speaker 1: liberal in Atlanta. I guess my shock was I thought
Speaker 1: it would be closer to the top, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did too. I wonder what number two and three were.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Again, I could have gotten all the
Speaker 1: wrong information. I'm here to spread. That's not what it
Speaker 1: shows about it anyway. Um, so we can go ahead
Speaker 1: and get into Mask if you want. Um I did.
Speaker 1: I should let everyone know I've verified a little nervously
Speaker 1: right before that it was not the Mask, the Jim
Speaker 1: Carey movie, because I don't know what I would have
Speaker 1: said about that. Well, here is the thing. There was
Speaker 1: a part of me that wanted to reach out and
Speaker 1: clarify which one. But then I also thought, it'll be
Speaker 1: hilarious if you researched the wrong movie and I came
Speaker 1: in to do a more dramatic film, and yours is
Speaker 1: You've researched this over the top, ridiculous film. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, just leave it. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Let it do what it wants to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I would be in a panic if I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Mask, and that happened. But Mask, for me
Speaker 1: was it was a big HBO movie. For me. I
Speaker 1: was born in Oh, yeah, what's your birthday? What's your birthday?
Speaker 1: Mar shut up really alright? Yeah, well, all right in
Speaker 1: Mississippi ancestry. So when I was third, I guess we
Speaker 1: were four seen then when he's kind of fun to
Speaker 1: say when Mask came out and it was I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but HBO when that um landed in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, we were kind of one of the last
Speaker 1: neighborhoods to get it because I kind of lived out
Speaker 1: in the woods and on a dirt road until it
Speaker 1: was paved when I was like twelve, So it was
Speaker 1: a really really big deal. Right, So HBO came late,
Speaker 1: and uh, I would just watch some of these movies
Speaker 1: over and over again, and Mask was one of those.
Speaker 1: You know what my HBO movie was, What under the Rainbow?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chevy Chase. Uh what was the premisi was
Speaker 1: a Wizard of Oz like remake. No, I actually don't
Speaker 1: even remember what the movie was about, but I remember
Speaker 1: there were just a lot of little people, and um,
Speaker 1: I watched it several times today anytime it was on HBO,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I know what I'm doing with
Speaker 1: my time. Yeah, I don't remember the premise that there
Speaker 1: was definitely a Wizard of Oz angle. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were trying to do a remake or a
Speaker 1: musical or something. I have no idea. I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: stuck except Chevy Chase and Little People and but really
Speaker 1: I think that's the movie I've seen most in my
Speaker 1: life is Under the Rainbow thanks to HBO. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of that? Well, yeah, watch it. It didn't.
Speaker 1: Um that's not one of the like, that's not one
Speaker 1: of those even here about anymore of course not. It
Speaker 1: didn't live on in like the popular culture. I think
Speaker 1: it was thriving at the time, but something like Mask
Speaker 1: like still you know, I think people still talk about
Speaker 1: that kind of movie. I bring up Mask a lot
Speaker 1: and it is often followed by the Mask. So yeah,
Speaker 1: um so I watched it today again, um, Mask is
Speaker 1: really hard to find, um Like, you can't even pay
Speaker 1: for it on YouTube and as a rental um Like.
Speaker 1: I had to watch it on it on YouTube. But
Speaker 1: it was a The screen was in the top little
Speaker 1: third of the corner and then all around it were
Speaker 1: like starbursts going off and it was in Yeah that's
Speaker 1: the original So that sounds about terrible quality. Was really weird,
Speaker 1: But I've seen it, like I said, because of HBO,
Speaker 1: saw I don't. I mean, I can't even hazard a guess,
Speaker 1: but at least like ten times probably. So It's a
Speaker 1: movie I was really familiar with, but I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: in many, many years, so it was it was fun to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of go back and watch it. Now,
Speaker 1: this is an embarrassing moment where I admit I didn't
Speaker 1: go back and watch it. That's okay, okay, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that wasn't like part of my There won't be a quiz,
Speaker 1: so you don't need to worry about it. You remember
Speaker 1: the gist of the movie, right, yes, do so? Eric Stoltz,
Speaker 1: Oh I remember? Yes? Okay, I thought I thought you
Speaker 1: were about to say I didn't know that who that was? No? No,
Speaker 1: sure did. Yeah. I read a funny thing today where
Speaker 1: apparently at the rat party, uh, there were crew members
Speaker 1: introducing themselves to him because they didn't see him out
Speaker 1: of his makeup, so they didn't even know Eric's like
Speaker 1: what Erik Saltz looked like. And I also read that
Speaker 1: share dated him after the movie, which really, yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of tarnished it a bit in my head, that is
Speaker 1: that's bizarre. Yeah, I thought it was a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, are they the same age?
Speaker 1: But guess that doesn't matter. Well, no, of course not.
Speaker 1: But my wife's fifteen years younger than me. I think
Speaker 1: that's about the age difference of sertol. Did I just
Speaker 1: ruin it for you about me and Stephanie? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that doesn't tarnish because well you didn't play your mom
Speaker 1: in a movie, so no, I played her love interest
Speaker 1: in a movie. That's right. Uh, she's really good in
Speaker 1: One Mississippi too. It's like that's part of the heart
Speaker 1: of that show. I think. Is this like a little
Speaker 1: sweet budding relationship that you guys have. She's so good
Speaker 1: in season two, she's so good. Really, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: who is the guy that plays your dad? Or yeah?
Speaker 1: Um John Rothman, Well he's so good and I've seen
Speaker 1: him like over the years as a character actor, but uh,
Speaker 1: she's that role is just so like internal. But um
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot with it. Yeah. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: uh fun to watch. Yeah, I just can't wait for
Speaker 1: season two, very excited. Um, so you know probably that
Speaker 1: Springsteen was supposed to be the songs, right or do
Speaker 1: you know that? I know what? Don't Bob seeger Bob
Speaker 1: Seger was the sound the soundtrack. Yeah, so he he
Speaker 1: was the stand in. Um Peter Bogdanovich, Um, the director
Speaker 1: was insistent on Springsteen being the guy because in real life,
Speaker 1: the real Rocky Dennis was a Springsteen fanatic, and so
Speaker 1: UM very famously he Uh. They had a battle because
Speaker 1: I think the record label UM and the I can't
Speaker 1: remember it was Columbia or Universal who was who? I
Speaker 1: think Springsteen was on Columbia and Universal was the movie studio.
Speaker 1: But they someone didn't like each other and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: allow it, and um and Bogdanovitch later sued the studio
Speaker 1: because they made him use Bob Seeger, whom I don't
Speaker 1: even think he cared for. Really, I feel like makes
Speaker 1: that movie. Oh my gosh, the end credits. I remember, Um,
Speaker 1: what Bob Seger song is that? Um, well, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you because I watched the director's cut today which
Speaker 1: has Springsteen. Really yeah, how was that? It was a
Speaker 1: little like Bizarro mask because you're right, like it's such
Speaker 1: a through line the Bob Seeger stuff, And then having
Speaker 1: seen the Seeger version fifteen times, A knew that the
Speaker 1: Springsteen version was out there, so it was a little
Speaker 1: strange hearing like thunder Road and Born to Run, And
Speaker 1: I'd feel so curious to see that version because I
Speaker 1: feel like Bob Seeger represents way more of that world,
Speaker 1: like biker Yeah, that biker world than Bruce Springstein. Does
Speaker 1: you know Bob Segers is on the nose? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Catman do song, especially because you know, one
Speaker 1: of the big subplots of the movie was his europe
Speaker 1: trip that he was going to take with his friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so so great. Yeah, alright, so Seeger, you're
Speaker 1: in the Seeger camp. I love Bob Seger. You're a fan.
Speaker 1: Uh well, we actually had a thing on stuff. You
Speaker 1: should know where I complained about Bob Seeger. Um. I
Speaker 1: think I was complaining about a specific song, Turn the Page,
Speaker 1: you know the song. Of course. I'm a Seeger fan anytime,
Speaker 1: so I can to tell you. And I think I
Speaker 1: made it. I think it may have just been so
Speaker 1: I can make the joke that should have been called
Speaker 1: turned the Station, um, because I always thought that was
Speaker 1: kind of a funny joke. And then, um, we heard
Speaker 1: a lot from a lot of people to your loyalists.
Speaker 1: That kind of gave me ship for that. And then Metallica.
Speaker 1: Do you hear their remake of Turned the Page? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. It's great. It's just a heavy,
Speaker 1: slow version. Yeah, it's good. It's I'm not typically a
Speaker 1: fan of remakes of anything. I'm always like, I think
Speaker 1: they had it handled, guys, relax, But I feel like
Speaker 1: Metallica did a really great Metallica version of Turn the Page. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to hear that. Yeah. Well it's sort
Speaker 1: of the ultimate Grizzly road song, you know, as a
Speaker 1: touring artist, and I do feel like when I hear
Speaker 1: that song, I'm just like, that's me turning the page. Well, well,
Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna have to check out the Springsteen version.
Speaker 1: I think you can get it on DVD unless you
Speaker 1: want to watch the weird um third screen YouTube starburst version.
Speaker 1: Um no, thank you. Um. But as far as the
Speaker 1: bikers go, UM, I don't know like what kind of
Speaker 1: growing up uh you did in Houston, But I was
Speaker 1: a very um, sort of sheltered Southern Baptist boy before
Speaker 1: I came to my senses later on in life, and um,
Speaker 1: the notion of like a biker gang was very exotic
Speaker 1: and scary to me. Um. So to see this movie
Speaker 1: where they like, you know, love puppies and did like
Speaker 1: blood drives. I don't know if you remember that scene
Speaker 1: where they were like had a blood drive at one
Speaker 1: of their bike rallies. I don't remember. It's kind of
Speaker 1: early on and that's where they had the puppies and
Speaker 1: they all you know, cared for Rocky and love one another,
Speaker 1: and it was just very kind of mind blowing for
Speaker 1: me to see, uh, this other world of like the
Speaker 1: bikers that I shouldn't fear them. Well, I think it's
Speaker 1: that typical situation, whether it's bikers or punk rockers or
Speaker 1: you know, just that whole like we take care of
Speaker 1: our own and then they you know, all the little
Speaker 1: spikes on the jackets, whether you're a biker a punk rocker,
Speaker 1: it's just the you know, stay away from me because
Speaker 1: if you get too close. I'm actually really soft and
Speaker 1: I love puppies and I love babies, and I'm it's
Speaker 1: like they don't trust how sensitive they actually are, so
Speaker 1: they have to put the spikes on their coat. Yeah
Speaker 1: that makes sense, and they're just like back off, I
Speaker 1: cry easily, but they can show that love to each
Speaker 1: other though. Yeah, I think when they're within their little
Speaker 1: community and there, um they have their little puppies and
Speaker 1: babies and well, it seemed unrealistic to me as a kid.
Speaker 1: But now that I'm older and I look at that,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably You're probably exactly right, yea, and
Speaker 1: Bogdanovitch probably nailed the biker scene like more than anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I whenever I see bikers, I'm I'm always just like
Speaker 1: I'm that's scary, right, I'm a biker. Yeah. I have
Speaker 1: two motorcycles, and uh well I started writing motorcycles. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, how long do we have? I mean, the
Speaker 1: story triggers another. But I always wanted to ride motorcycles.
Speaker 1: And I had a friend growing up that invited me
Speaker 1: when I was in fourth grade to come over and
Speaker 1: ride motorcycles in her pasture. And I was and she said,
Speaker 1: do you know how to ride a motorcycle? And I
Speaker 1: was like yeah, because I'm like, uh yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And so I went over to her house and we're
Speaker 1: going to ride motorcycles. And it was just a mini bike.
Speaker 1: You know what a mini bike is. It's just you
Speaker 1: don't have to like switch gears. It's just gas and
Speaker 1: break and motorcycles. Yeah, but they're just like little little things.
Speaker 1: And and so I got on her mini bike and
Speaker 1: I just I was like what And I mean no
Speaker 1: control of the bike. I just went shooting off through
Speaker 1: the pasture over like a bump and then they had
Speaker 1: like a hole in the and then I slammed into
Speaker 1: the fence and fell over and I had hurt my hand,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted my mommy, you know. And I
Speaker 1: had gone from just feeling soak, like yeah, I know
Speaker 1: how to ride a motorcycle because I truly just thought
Speaker 1: it was just doing from room in their hands. And
Speaker 1: you've probably ridden bicycles well, And I've been watching the
Speaker 1: Funds and I've been watching Evil Kinnevil, who I was
Speaker 1: obsessed with. And I had all those like wind up
Speaker 1: and my mother stopped buying them for us because the
Speaker 1: Evil Knevil doll ended up twice on our heaters that
Speaker 1: were on the floor and melted. Um. But anyway, when
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, I was going to play pool at
Speaker 1: this pool hall my friend, and there's this motorcycle shop
Speaker 1: next to the pool hall. And I had already dropped
Speaker 1: out of high school and had a job, and um,
Speaker 1: and I had saved all this money, and I was like,
Speaker 1: should I buy that motorcycle? And my friend I still
Speaker 1: didn't know how to ride one, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to. So we went back the next day
Speaker 1: and I bought the motorcycle. And when my friend and
Speaker 1: I went into the shop, this was our plan. We
Speaker 1: were pretending like I had broken my foot so I
Speaker 1: can't ride, so could he teach my friend how to
Speaker 1: ride a motorcycle? We weren't gonna Yeah, so yeah I
Speaker 1: had That was my first acting job, so um uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, my foot's broken, can you just
Speaker 1: show her how? So he did and we learned, and um,
Speaker 1: we didn't even have motorcycle helmets. We had brought along
Speaker 1: a go kart helmet and a plastic football helmet, and
Speaker 1: we rode the motorcycle. Yeah, like a Houston Oilers or something. Yes,
Speaker 1: and um, we just were so amused by it was
Speaker 1: her little brother's plastic football helmet and um and then
Speaker 1: I ended up selling that And then they sold you
Speaker 1: a bike with but to some to a young seventeen
Speaker 1: year old lady limping with the plastic football helmet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they didn't see the helmets that was something we
Speaker 1: took out of the car. Yeah, yeah, I wore the
Speaker 1: We didn't want to be pulled over by the copts,
Speaker 1: of course, so you know, you grab your football helmet
Speaker 1: and uh, nothing to see here, officer. And so I
Speaker 1: ended up selling that motorcycle. I had that from when
Speaker 1: I was seventeen until I was probably twenty three. Wow,
Speaker 1: is that your primary mode? Um? No, I had a
Speaker 1: car as well. Um, And then I bought years later,
Speaker 1: I bought a couple of vintage motorcycles that I still have.
Speaker 1: But Stephanie no longer will allow such a thing. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people go through that thing, especially if
Speaker 1: you grew up loving evil kin evil and the funds
Speaker 1: to where at one point I thought about it like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I know they're dangerous, but they're just so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I got married. My wife was like, no, go
Speaker 1: ahead and get that thought out of your head. So
Speaker 1: did you own Did I think I kind of thought
Speaker 1: about it here and there over the years. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Stephanie said, probably before we were together, she would have
Speaker 1: thought it was fun and cool whatever. But she saw
Speaker 1: somebody die on our cycle and she said, it just
Speaker 1: there's no way. If it was before she saw that right,
Speaker 1: but then after she was like, it's me or the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: So these theories still out. They collect dust in your garage,
Speaker 1: they do, Okay, they do. I think I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of one of them. Yeah, one of their it's
Speaker 1: one of them's gold and one of them is teal colored.
Speaker 1: Their Honda CB three fifties and really cool ones on
Speaker 1: a seventy. The gold one, uh is named Goldie Honda,
Speaker 1: and the teal one is, um, what's her? What's her? Russell?
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell? Okay, I thought it was gonna have something
Speaker 1: to do with teal No, I know that's the setup,
Speaker 1: and then you fooled you. Goldie Honda and Kurt Russell
Speaker 1: sit in my Who am I going to? I mean
Speaker 1: you love them both? Oh? I know for sure? Sell? Um,
Speaker 1: Kurt Russell, Yeah yeah, Goldie Honda stays yeah. Goldie Honda
Speaker 1: was the first, and I had that motorcycle. I did
Speaker 1: like ten episodes or so of Sarah Silverman's first TV show,
Speaker 1: and um, I had that motorcycle in that show. And
Speaker 1: so there's kind of an attach, right, what if your
Speaker 1: sons grew up and they're like, why don't you have
Speaker 1: two motorcycles for it. My good friend Rick Is he
Speaker 1: collects motorcycles and he races motorcycles and behind Stephanie's back
Speaker 1: to the babies, he's always like motorcycles. You guys, get
Speaker 1: him a sidecar. Those kind of cool. Um, that was
Speaker 1: a great story, thank you. Uh so the bikers. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, we need to talk about Share in
Speaker 1: that movie. Yes we do, because, um, I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about shares process in her career, and I may
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I've always had the feeling that she
Speaker 1: can kind of be in anything if she wants to be,
Speaker 1: or at least put herself out there to just act
Speaker 1: all the time. But she's only done yeah, like five movies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's could do whatever she wanted to,
Speaker 1: but it's perfect purposely just sort of been super selective. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you hear about people be being selective, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but she really really selective. She's just like, seriously, only
Speaker 1: the greatest movies ever, That's all I'm doing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: which is Eastwick, Mask, moon Struck, of course, the Sunny
Speaker 1: and Share Show. That's a great movie. Um, but I
Speaker 1: know that Mask was I think she had us while
Speaker 1: she was in silk Wood. Uh, and had a small
Speaker 1: part in silk Wood before this, but this was her
Speaker 1: first big starring role. And um, and everything that she's in,
Speaker 1: she's just so good and like real and authentic and um,
Speaker 1: I like, I've always wanted more Share in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like movie life. Um, but you know, Share is gonna
Speaker 1: do what Share wants to do. We can't boss this
Speaker 1: woman around. No, And apparently Peter Bogdanovitch couldn't either because
Speaker 1: apparently they um there was some friction because she was
Speaker 1: sort of new and she wanted her boyfriend played Gar,
Speaker 1: who was Val Kilmer at the time. So like, after
Speaker 1: you see Sam Elliott, I mean he is Gar. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised that's not his name. Uh, like you because remember
Speaker 1: what Valkimer looked like in eighty five. There's no way
Speaker 1: he could have pulled that part on Gosh that Gar? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I know. Do you love that movie? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did you just go? Yeah? You know I like it? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I love it. Um. And seeing it today it kind
Speaker 1: of brought back a lot of did it hold up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a handful of years. It
Speaker 1: does hold up? It? Um, I think it avoids that
Speaker 1: like movie of the week thing that it easily could
Speaker 1: have been because Bogdanovitch was a director and like a
Speaker 1: really like masterful director and the casting you know. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: my mom has been in love with Sam Elliott since
Speaker 1: she was from that generation of uh, mustachioed hunks of
Speaker 1: the seventies. We're kind of right up her alley. She
Speaker 1: like Tom Seller, she loved Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds. Uh.
Speaker 1: In fact, Smoking the Bandit filmed um in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: shot some scenes across from my elementary school in our
Speaker 1: station wagon is in one of the scenes. And how
Speaker 1: did you wait so long to bring this up? Well,
Speaker 1: this gets even better, she um. For probably twelve years
Speaker 1: after that movie, in our garage we had the sheriff
Speaker 1: Jackie Gleeson's card door in our garage. It was knocked
Speaker 1: off of the car in a scene in the movie,
Speaker 1: and somehow my dad got it and we had it
Speaker 1: in my garage and for years until my mom was like,
Speaker 1: get rid of that thing, get rid of that piece
Speaker 1: of movie history. But anyway, long story short, she drugged
Speaker 1: me down one day to meet Burt Reynolds. He did
Speaker 1: like an autograph day and It's one of those things.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm like, I don't know, nine or two
Speaker 1: years old, in line for hours and hours to meet
Speaker 1: Burt Reynolds, uh and have him like smack is scumming
Speaker 1: my face, hit me on the chin and sign a
Speaker 1: thing for my mom. You know what movie history I have,
Speaker 1: um that I didn't realize was movie history at the time.
Speaker 1: I used to work for Sam Raymie, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was an assistant and I mean not his personal assistant,
Speaker 1: and I was just an assistant for the company. You
Speaker 1: hear that, Thomas and so um. Yeah, I remind Thomas
Speaker 1: near daily about assisting Sam Raymie and let me tell
Speaker 1: you how it's done. But when I was I think
Speaker 1: the company was moving out of a building or I was.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how I acquired Sam Raimi's old um
Speaker 1: file cabinet, but I acquired I started working for Sam
Speaker 1: Raimi when he was finishing up A simple Plan Great
Speaker 1: Man and moving on to he was in he was
Speaker 1: finishing that, and then he was in pre production on
Speaker 1: his big, first big movie, which was Spider Man No
Speaker 1: No Um for Love of the Game with Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1: So everybody, Yeah, there's one moment where Kevin Costner's hand
Speaker 1: is bleeding, um and there's like a shot that everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's Sam. But um. So I have this um file cabinet,
Speaker 1: and I remember when I brought it home, I was
Speaker 1: like peeling all the labels off that said like dark
Speaker 1: Man and Evil Dead one and Evil Dead too, and
Speaker 1: did you have it just so you could use it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wasn't even like thinking, this is Sam Raimi's file cabinet,
Speaker 1: like historic little stickers and um, and I couldn't fully
Speaker 1: get the stickers off, and I just bailed halfway and
Speaker 1: just wrote like comedy on one and like it just
Speaker 1: all these stupid labels that have to do with me.
Speaker 1: But then years later, um, you know, after he went
Speaker 1: from just cult iconic director to just like one of
Speaker 1: the biggest A list directors you can find, I looked
Speaker 1: at the file cabinet and I was like, thank god,
Speaker 1: I was unable to fully scrape off Evil Dead and
Speaker 1: dark Man and all these labels, even though my stupid
Speaker 1: like comedy label is written on there too. That's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: It's a funny merging my stuff and Sam Raimi's file cabinet.
Speaker 1: But I have that like Johnny Ron's base case and
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of stickers. I couldn't get them off.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I used it as a planter. So did
Speaker 1: you do you still have that? Oh? Cool and use it?
Speaker 1: I do? And now you tell everyone right over it
Speaker 1: actually hasn't. It's in my garage. So I was forget
Speaker 1: with Goldie and Curt. It's real. It's a really I
Speaker 1: need to get share to come over and hang out
Speaker 1: in the garage. Uh do the same, RAMI do you
Speaker 1: know him now? Like does he know who you are
Speaker 1: and that you worked for him? Or uh? Yeah? He Um.
Speaker 1: He made a couple of short films and he paid
Speaker 1: for both of them. One is called Clown Service. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that he paid for that. He did well
Speaker 1: a portion of it. Um. And my first short film
Speaker 1: called Poop Dreams colon a series of stained short I'm
Speaker 1: certain you haven't. It's not anywhere to be found. You've
Speaker 1: never heard of this, Thomas. Okay, Sam not only paid
Speaker 1: for it, but he's in it. Yeah and um and
Speaker 1: then yeah, he gave a chunk of money to Clown Service. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that Clown Service kind of help put you on
Speaker 1: the map, didn't it? Or did it no, okay, no,
Speaker 1: it only came out a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: wrote it twenty years ago, and then I started a
Speaker 1: Kickstarter fund to raise money for it five years ago,
Speaker 1: and then I had a few bumps in the road
Speaker 1: in life, installed the production, and then I made it
Speaker 1: two years ago. I know what I'm thinking of now
Speaker 1: that I read about it recently because of a controversy. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's why there is a controversy around it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get ripped off controversy. I just know that I wrote
Speaker 1: it twenty years ago. I made it two years ago,
Speaker 1: and it's based on true events from my life, so
Speaker 1: it might have put me on the map to some
Speaker 1: people who had never heard of me. I know. The
Speaker 1: first time I saw you was the Conan O'Brien appearance
Speaker 1: where you where you shoved the stool around. Um. I
Speaker 1: was just like, who is this? That is the best
Speaker 1: thing I've seen and m and uh. Paul Thompkins was
Speaker 1: the guest that might Yeah, so I'm a fan and
Speaker 1: sort of friend of his now and that was why
Speaker 1: I was watching that night. I was to watch Paul
Speaker 1: and then you came on and did that and I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this is awesome. This is funny because
Speaker 1: when I when I pitched that idea to the booking
Speaker 1: agent producer, they were like, I said, so I just
Speaker 1: want to you know, push a stool around and he
Speaker 1: was like, well, um, I trust you, but I did
Speaker 1: you know, I think I need to see it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it just makes no you really
Speaker 1: need to hear. It makes these squeaky noises. It makes
Speaker 1: people laugh and then it makes them not laugh, and
Speaker 1: then they laugh and then they don't. And he was
Speaker 1: just like, let me, let me just come see this,
Speaker 1: and um, I was like yeah, sure. And so he
Speaker 1: came and saw me do it live and he was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, So that was part of your act
Speaker 1: for a while. Uh, for a little bit. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: um and then when I did it, I when I
Speaker 1: was doing it on Conan, I couldn't get the stool
Speaker 1: to make the noise is it was supposed to make.
Speaker 1: So I just went on a leap of faith literally
Speaker 1: and leapt up closer to where because there was a
Speaker 1: plexiglass underneath the plexiglass floor or these lights that come up,
Speaker 1: and so I went over and I was, you know,
Speaker 1: running running it across the plexiglass and it was just
Speaker 1: making the sweet sweet. Well, yeah, I think I'd probably
Speaker 1: told you, yeah, you probably heard it directly from me. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I I scratched the floor. No, the scratch
Speaker 1: isn't still there. They had to have it buffed out.
Speaker 1: But what is still there is the sound of the
Speaker 1: stool and the one of the sound guys, I guess
Speaker 1: to annoy ConA will play it every now and then.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, I think, well it was kind of
Speaker 1: great that you went up to that second level because
Speaker 1: then you had Andy and and p F. T. Conan
Speaker 1: like just dying in the background, so that really added
Speaker 1: to it. It was really fun. So that was my
Speaker 1: introduce introduction to you. But but you can watch Clown
Speaker 1: Service on Vimeo. Now, okay, well that should settle any
Speaker 1: controversial Um. Two years ago, I do feel like I
Speaker 1: have I need to mention that we were talking about
Speaker 1: how great, uh well, how great Gar was, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Sam Elliott, but that was the only thing in that
Speaker 1: movie that kind of took me out of it was. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, there's the one scene
Speaker 1: at a party, one of the many biker parties, where
Speaker 1: he has a mustache, rides shirt on. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't think I probably knew what that
Speaker 1: meant when I was fourteen, and then I saw it
Speaker 1: today and I was like, oh, man, like car, it
Speaker 1: is way too cool to wear a shirt like that.
Speaker 1: It's like somebody walking around with a hey Man or whatever.
Speaker 1: Bart Simpson, Yeah, you know, or I don't have a
Speaker 1: cow Yeah, just like, hey, what are you doing. I
Speaker 1: remember a friend of my and was on a date
Speaker 1: and she ran off to the bathroom and called me
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm out with this guy and
Speaker 1: he's wearing Uh, what was that movie the guy that
Speaker 1: that was filmed I think in Salt Lake City with
Speaker 1: the kind of nerdy guy. No Thomas said, Wayne's World.
Speaker 1: By the way, Napoleon Dynamite. I guess he had some
Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite shirt on that thing. Yeah. And my friend
Speaker 1: was like, am I crazy? But this is such a
Speaker 1: turn off and I was like, no, it's it's telling
Speaker 1: of something that's absolutely Yeah, if you choose to wear
Speaker 1: like it was probably a vote for Pedro. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was for Pedro. On the first day, first day, you're
Speaker 1: screaming yeah, because you pick out your clothes for a
Speaker 1: first day, and you think about it deliberate and you
Speaker 1: might try a few things on even I'd like to
Speaker 1: see the rejected outfit exactly. Let's see what t shirts
Speaker 1: he did not wear. Can I tell you my favorite
Speaker 1: Gar moment? Yeah, and it's actually my favorite. It's my favorite. Oh,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Right when I started to say it's
Speaker 1: my favorite moment from the movie, then my brain jumps
Speaker 1: to other unbelievable performances by Share but Share and Gar together. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess that's not her movie name, but anyway, it's When, Um,
Speaker 1: what's her name? Yeah, it's When, Um, And what's her
Speaker 1: son's name? Again? Bad with names? But I love the
Speaker 1: movie Rocky Rocky. Rocky has gone off to camp and
Speaker 1: Rusty is so devastated him and then she's trying to
Speaker 1: write a letter. And that is a scene that when
Speaker 1: I would try to describe it to somebody, I would
Speaker 1: a lot of times start crying. Um, it's so raw
Speaker 1: her love for this child. And when Gar comes in,
Speaker 1: any starts to try and right what she's saying, and
Speaker 1: then he just stops and looks at her and oh man,
Speaker 1: and are you kidding me? Yeah? I mean, just kill me. Now.
Speaker 1: Another few of those scenes are when Rocky confronts her
Speaker 1: about her drug use and she rips up one of
Speaker 1: his baseball cards and he goes into his room and
Speaker 1: like it brings on one of his headaches brought on
Speaker 1: by his bone disorder. And then she goes in there
Speaker 1: because you know, it's one of those parents kids, the
Speaker 1: parent of the parent kind of situations, and algy he
Speaker 1: cares about is for her just to not do drugs,
Speaker 1: you know. And then she goes in there and does
Speaker 1: her her thing where she talks to him, uh, to
Speaker 1: get his headaches to go away, because they go to
Speaker 1: the doctor and they're like, what do you do and
Speaker 1: they're like, she she talks to me and they go away.
Speaker 1: And the doctors are very incredulous about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: of course because it's an eighties movie, but that scene
Speaker 1: just devastates me. Are still in gradulous, Yeah, you've got
Speaker 1: a little experience there. Um. And then the scene where
Speaker 1: does are the big tough biker with the stutter after
Speaker 1: graduation tells him that he's proud of him, and that's
Speaker 1: the only thing he says in the whole movie. I
Speaker 1: was crying in my room today. It's like in there
Speaker 1: with the blind strawn crying. Were those were those all
Speaker 1: the ones that destroyed you? Because I mean there's a
Speaker 1: major one, just like come on, yeah, no, that's not it. Um,
Speaker 1: well we may as well. I was thinking you might
Speaker 1: be a tough little cookie. If that's all that destroyed you,
Speaker 1: well we should go to Laura Dern. And then Rocky
Speaker 1: goes to camp for the blind. And um, first of all,
Speaker 1: that's where like I developed a lifelong crush on Laura Dern.
Speaker 1: I think everybody says that, Yeah, yeah, that movie kind
Speaker 1: of did it for me, and I still just adore her.
Speaker 1: But um, when he well, first when she feels his
Speaker 1: face and you know, he tells her like he's not handsome.
Speaker 1: Then he has this thing and she feels his face
Speaker 1: and says, you pretty good to me. That gets me, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. And then when he uh and just look
Speaker 1: on her face, sweetness and openness. She already knows she
Speaker 1: loves this guy, you know, and of course his face
Speaker 1: is everything's going to feel and it seemed perfect to her.
Speaker 1: It's just so sweet. Uh. And then when she teaches
Speaker 1: her the colors with the hot rocks and the cool things, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like she gets it, she gets, Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: disrects me. Yeah, but uh yeah, I mean we should
Speaker 1: talk about his death. Yeah, it's devastating, devastating. I was
Speaker 1: weeping this morning. I'm a big sap and a big
Speaker 1: sucker I got. I don't know when I got so emotional,
Speaker 1: But um, I have no qualms about breaking down and crying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the spirit moves me. I don't think we caught my
Speaker 1: boohoo session on audio today, obviously, I will. You should
Speaker 1: watch Mask tonight if you need a good cry. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm foo hooed out today. Well, so, as you probably
Speaker 1: remember in the movie, she um the night before they're
Speaker 1: having another big biker party and he says that his
Speaker 1: headache is kind of bad, so he goes in. She
Speaker 1: goes to bed, and then she gets the call in
Speaker 1: the morning that he's not at school, and she fucking
Speaker 1: knows right then, there's no way Rocky wouldn't be in
Speaker 1: school because he like swept the academic awards. And uh
Speaker 1: goes in the room and he's there, and she knows
Speaker 1: he's gone, but she's she's pulling the blinds up and
Speaker 1: talking to him like, you know, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: just devastating too much, it is, and um, she keeps
Speaker 1: talking to him and then you know, it goes and
Speaker 1: kind of destroys her kitchen briefly, and it's just so
Speaker 1: painful because he's this this one bit of light she
Speaker 1: has in her life. You know, very hard to sit
Speaker 1: through that scene. And I remember being thirteen or fourteen
Speaker 1: and just like it wrecked me. Then, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a sense of Baptist boy. But yeah, I uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that movie is what started things
Speaker 1: off for me, but I'm I love movies that just
Speaker 1: destroy me. I do too. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but that was Catharsis in a way too,
Speaker 1: I think for me it is. Yeah, probably so just
Speaker 1: to like be affected so deeply about something you're seeing.
Speaker 1: I'm not that way with music too, Like any piece
Speaker 1: of art now can move me to tears, and like
Speaker 1: a second, it's that I feel like that might be
Speaker 1: that that first dramatic film, and then it just became
Speaker 1: you know, I actually don't follow too like comedic movies
Speaker 1: or things like that. It's just more like York and
Speaker 1: Dancer in the Dark. Yeah, I'm there. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: talk about a heavy movie, Please don't cry. Oh jeez. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then my favorite thing to do when I leave
Speaker 1: the movie theater after movies like that, as I'm going
Speaker 1: down the escalator with other people that clearly just saw
Speaker 1: that movie, I'm just like, I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: that funny, you know, or what part? What did you
Speaker 1: think was the funniest part? And people are just like, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: it's always so weird in l A too, because I
Speaker 1: lived there for like five years, and um, when you
Speaker 1: hold up in a dark theater, and especially a heavy
Speaker 1: movie like that, and then you come out and it's
Speaker 1: always just like you're at the fucking grove or something
Speaker 1: so alarming trolley goes by it is it's alarming, like
Speaker 1: a trolley full of touria. Um, it's very disconcerting to me.
Speaker 1: I remember I left a movie at the Beverly Center
Speaker 1: one time. I can't remember which one it was. You know,
Speaker 1: they have like a series of escalators going down there,
Speaker 1: and uh, this is inconsequential. But I looked out to
Speaker 1: the side and there was something going on a parking
Speaker 1: lot across the street, and I went down. It's like,
Speaker 1: what's going on over there? And so I said, oh,
Speaker 1: the Go Goes are about to play. It's free. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you shipping me? So me and my friend like
Speaker 1: went from this downer movie and we literally walked straight
Speaker 1: off as the Go Goes stage. It was a little
Speaker 1: shorty promotional thing that they did like their eight greatest
Speaker 1: hits and banged it out like yeah and like forty
Speaker 1: minutes and it was. It was one of those l
Speaker 1: A things like did this just happen? This is like
Speaker 1: the best day ever. Oh my gosh, the Go Goes
Speaker 1: are so great. Uh So I'm here, but I have
Speaker 1: plenty to say about that. Boy. Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: you're my age. That was that was our wheelhouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about this march because I don't
Speaker 1: I think I'm aries Stephanie follows all that. I think
Speaker 1: it's I'm like pisces cuss or something, But I truly
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about. And hilariously enough, I
Speaker 1: don't know what her sign is, and she is astounded
Speaker 1: every time she finds us out because she talks about
Speaker 1: her sign all the time, and I never I can't
Speaker 1: I can't clock that, I can't quite register. It's not
Speaker 1: anything like that that I follow so you can put
Speaker 1: a gun in my head and I cannot tell you
Speaker 1: what Stephanie's sins. Well, we did a stuff you should
Speaker 1: Know episode about astrology about how it was just bullshit.
Speaker 1: So don't feel bad. I know. I used to with
Speaker 1: the next girlfriend of mine. Uh, when we have an argument,
Speaker 1: she likes because you're an aries and everything I did,
Speaker 1: I guess it's because you're an aries. And I would
Speaker 1: always say, so you're telling me that if I was
Speaker 1: born just one day earlier, everything would be your fault,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just I'm baffled by I
Speaker 1: don't have information on it, and so I don't want
Speaker 1: to completely slam stuff. My wife believes him, but whatever
Speaker 1: her sign is really quickly speaking of alternate casting, Um,
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner, who you mentioned from Sam Ramy's movie was
Speaker 1: almost Rocky Dennis. Do you want some Costner trivia? I'd
Speaker 1: love some. Do you know what his production company is called? Boy?
Speaker 1: Can I get a guess? Sure? Um, Kicking Bird Productions.
Speaker 1: That's Correct Productions. Really? Why is that? Uh? Something about
Speaker 1: like his grandmother. I'm not sure, but Kevin Costner was
Speaker 1: a star of for Love of the Game. When I
Speaker 1: worked for Sam there was a mix up, two couple
Speaker 1: of mix ups where cash was livered to me when
Speaker 1: I would sit at my office that was clearly supposed
Speaker 1: to go to the production or someplace else. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I also ended up on a conference call with Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner and somebody else and looped in. I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: about the cash. Is that how Costner operates? He just
Speaker 1: has catched. I think it was just petty cast or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought you met like a briefcase. I ended up
Speaker 1: with an envelope of petty cash that clearly had to
Speaker 1: do with the production. And then I ended up on
Speaker 1: a conference call going hello, Hello, who is that? This
Speaker 1: is Tig, and it was Kevin Costner and somebody else
Speaker 1: going what do you mean? Yeah? It was a lot
Speaker 1: of but it was me just really unaware of what
Speaker 1: was happening. And then I was like, I'm an assistant
Speaker 1: over at my name is Tig, and you're probably so
Speaker 1: afraid to miss any meeting like you felt like, well,
Speaker 1: I never needed in a meeting. Well that's why when
Speaker 1: you at the conference, they must really need me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like a call for me, okay, chime, I'd
Speaker 1: like press conference and then all of a sudden, in
Speaker 1: on a meeting, when did you hang up from the meeting?
Speaker 1: After they were like, okay, well you know, can you
Speaker 1: hang up now? We need to have our meeting when
Speaker 1: you were politely asked yea, and now could someone actually
Speaker 1: connect us to TIG Productions and not this buffoon answering
Speaker 1: the phone at the production office? Is your production company,
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner Productions? It should be That's a good idea.
Speaker 1: Robolo was the other person who almost played Rocky. I
Speaker 1: don't have any trivia for you there, No, that seems
Speaker 1: like it would have just been weird stunt casting. Like
Speaker 1: let's take like the most handsome guy in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: I can't stand stunt casting, saying I pride myself on
Speaker 1: with my show, is that we hire who's perfect for
Speaker 1: the job. Yeah, and we I personally, I am never
Speaker 1: like I want to get a celebrity. I always wanted
Speaker 1: to work with this person, and now this is it's
Speaker 1: easier to buy into. I think, uh for me as
Speaker 1: a viewer, because like when I saw the guy that
Speaker 1: played her stepdad, I was like, wait a minute, like
Speaker 1: I know that face, like I think he was in Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1: We'll See. That's the thing is if somebody's just like
Speaker 1: a character actor working actor, I don't care, or if
Speaker 1: they've never acted, but I do not want to like
Speaker 1: cram a bunch of famous people. That's weird. And they
Speaker 1: kind of plays your brother. He's so great, he's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really so great. Second season. I can't wait. How
Speaker 1: many episodes? Six? Again? Okay? Yeah, that's good, A nice
Speaker 1: tight like there's no filler episode. No, I feel that
Speaker 1: way for sure. It um. I watched it with my
Speaker 1: wife well when I came out, but it was I
Speaker 1: think people try to do too much these days for
Speaker 1: more episodes, like anything over ten, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do less. Yeah that's good. Yeah, it's a good goal.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's finish up then with a couple
Speaker 1: of quick segments. You've been kind enough with your time.
Speaker 1: I want to call what Ebert said, because Roger Ebert's
Speaker 1: my favorite movie critic of all times. So I like
Speaker 1: to go back and kind of see where he landed
Speaker 1: two thumbs up from Thomas. He gave Mask three and
Speaker 1: a half stars out of four three and a half.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the little half problem was. You know
Speaker 1: what John Watson said the same thing when he got
Speaker 1: three and a half stars on his movie. He went, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder why he deducted a half a star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, really, what was the problem. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess you just didn't think it was a perfect movie.
Speaker 1: I'm I disagree. Well, here's this quote. Movies don't often
Speaker 1: grab us as quickly as Mask does. The story of
Speaker 1: Rocky and Rusty is absorbing from the very first maybe
Speaker 1: because the movie doesn't waste a lot of time wringing
Speaker 1: its hands over Rocky's fate. Mask lands on its feet
Speaker 1: running mm hmm, not bad. And then five questions and
Speaker 1: these can be short answers. I kind of I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I have been named for this yet,
Speaker 1: sort of like movie going one on one with with
Speaker 1: Tig and you'll call that segment movie going one on
Speaker 1: one with Tig. Every other Um, what was the first
Speaker 1: movie remember seeing in the movie theater? I think it
Speaker 1: was Star Wars. That's good. I mean we were sick,
Speaker 1: so we were march. Um first R rated movie that
Speaker 1: you remember seeing in theater or in VHS or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I couldn't go near that one. I was.
Speaker 1: That was so for boating in my life, I would have. Really,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was saying, sure, go ahead and
Speaker 1: watch it. I think, um, you know, there was just
Speaker 1: other activities going on at my house that we're more
Speaker 1: interesting to my mother than monitoring what I was watching
Speaker 1: up here, watching Parks such a dumb movie, now that
Speaker 1: what we look back, you know, didn't you know it
Speaker 1: was a dumb movie when you were watching? No, because
Speaker 1: I didn't see it until I was much older, because
Speaker 1: I just thought it was I thought it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the sexiest movie ever made, because there were
Speaker 1: body parts in there that aren't usually shown. And I
Speaker 1: literally thought it was like the filthiest movie. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: I have no recollection of the movie. I just know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I just know I watched it, and I
Speaker 1: know it was rated. Are Um, will you walk out
Speaker 1: of a bad movie? Do you remember doing? So? I have.
Speaker 1: I did walk out of a bad movie? Do you
Speaker 1: remember it? I do? Are you willing to go on record?
Speaker 1: I am not. Because a friend of mine was in
Speaker 1: a and I I was stunned about how bad it was. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then I saw a bad movie. I think it
Speaker 1: was not true, and I didn't walk out because my
Speaker 1: friend and I were laughing so hard that it ended
Speaker 1: up being so fun laughing in the wrong way. What
Speaker 1: was that one? Can you say that one? It was
Speaker 1: Calm cong Skull Island? Oh like the recent thing? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: did you see it? It looked I knew better. Why
Speaker 1: did you go see that? Well? I love I love
Speaker 1: the original King Kong movie here and so the original
Speaker 1: meaning Jessica Lang. Yeah, and so when this movie was
Speaker 1: coming out, I was I just was hopeful, and my
Speaker 1: hope was completely annihilated. It supposed to be really bad.
Speaker 1: It was just me and my friend and two other
Speaker 1: people in the theater, and I don't know what the
Speaker 1: other people thought of us, but we were laughing so hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's oh so funny. It's one of the funniest. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. Well, that's good that you stuck it out.
Speaker 1: You didn't walk out. I wanted to, but then I
Speaker 1: just also wanted to see how much this would escalate.
Speaker 1: And it's ridiculous, and yeah, how bad it could get.
Speaker 1: This movie felt like they turned in the first draft.
Speaker 1: Nobody gave a note. Everyone was just like, all right,
Speaker 1: all cameras go and do it. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: We wrote the movie. Um, can you name a guilty
Speaker 1: pleasure movie aside from Under the Rainbow? Point? Um? Like,
Speaker 1: is there one that you go back to a lot
Speaker 1: that's just kind of ridiculous and dumb? Yeah? I guess
Speaker 1: some people think it's ridiculous and dumb. And actually, now
Speaker 1: that I am and fairly educated adult, I can see
Speaker 1: some flaws in it in uh, in ways that are
Speaker 1: not socially accepted, Like it's it's not just socially acceptable,
Speaker 1: but there's horrendous behavior and you're cheering for an abusive person. Um.
Speaker 1: But Urban Cowboy that is a nearly perfect film as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. And that's a guilty pleasure because, um,
Speaker 1: I just I think I relate to it and connect
Speaker 1: to it because a lot of like living in Texas
Speaker 1: as a kid, and that was Houston too, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: living outside of Houston, a lot of these people look
Speaker 1: very familiar to me, and the urban cowboys that lived
Speaker 1: in pent house apartments and drove the big trucks and
Speaker 1: cowboy hats and and you know, my parents were friends
Speaker 1: with um specifically this couple that we used to go
Speaker 1: over to their house. I it felt like that it
Speaker 1: felt like John Travolta and that new girl he started
Speaker 1: a date with the hair down to the down the
Speaker 1: back Crystal who I've seen her live at the rodeo
Speaker 1: but anyway, so yeah, I would say Irvin Cowboy for sure.
Speaker 1: I could watch that movie. And I loved Eva Winger Man.
Speaker 1: She was so good. But she is who I wanted
Speaker 1: to play my mother on One Mississippi, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to play my mother and One Mississippi and wrote me
Speaker 1: this unbelievable email, just desperately wanting this to work. And
Speaker 1: then she got booked on another show right called The Ranch,
Speaker 1: which I haven't Ashton Kutcher. It's like a sitcom on Netflix,
Speaker 1: and then Amazon didn't you know, there was just a
Speaker 1: lot of like we want somebody that Anyway, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: But the actress that does play my mother on One
Speaker 1: Mississippi is so phenomenal. She's great, and it's like one
Speaker 1: of one of the things like once you see her,
Speaker 1: like I can't imagine even deva Winger. And I know
Speaker 1: I already said I didn't want to litter a show
Speaker 1: with just famous faces, but that wasn't that wouldn't be
Speaker 1: stunt casting. No, no, Oh, my gosh, Debora Winger nothing
Speaker 1: better officer and a gentleman still share. I mean those
Speaker 1: two Share reminds me of my mother. Deva Winger reminds
Speaker 1: me of my mother. Yeah, my mother was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a clammy. Well no, she was just she's
Speaker 1: very beautiful, but she she's wild and a little irresponsible.
Speaker 1: And so that character in Mass reminded me a bit
Speaker 1: of my relationship at times with her mother, and I
Speaker 1: think it's also why it kind of killed me a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was before we get to question five, I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you, was like, what was it about
Speaker 1: Masks specifically? Um? For you? Yeah, it was the parent
Speaker 1: child connection and I did feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: times I was the mature together m HM one and
Speaker 1: that I it was a lot of times parenting and
Speaker 1: trying to get my mother to pull it together in
Speaker 1: different ways, and you know, yeah, never happened, but well
Speaker 1: that kind of came through on the TV show. I
Speaker 1: kind of had a feeling that might have been part
Speaker 1: of it. What do you mean part of your love
Speaker 1: for Matt the connection to Mass? Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Share shares portrayal very much reminds me of my mother.
Speaker 1: But I also really connected to Deva Winger um as
Speaker 1: my mother because of that, like just passionate, like I'll
Speaker 1: rip your face off. I love my kids. Deva wing
Speaker 1: Or share kind of love for their kids. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: I saw big mistake. I saw terms of endearment believe
Speaker 1: it or not, for the first time last year on
Speaker 1: a plane and I had to like put on my
Speaker 1: sunglasses and like in my seat. And I told my
Speaker 1: wife after She's like, why the fund did you watch
Speaker 1: that the plane? Yeah, so you know what that movie is.
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought I could handle it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I could not handle it. Have you seen that? I
Speaker 1: don't know why it took me so long to see
Speaker 1: that movie because I loved every wing Orson and Gentleman
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite movies of all time. And
Speaker 1: just speaking of wrecking me, yeah, the whole movie wrecked me.
Speaker 1: Uh And finally, um, what is your do you have
Speaker 1: like a movie ritual? Like do you kind of sit
Speaker 1: in the same place or get the same thing at
Speaker 1: the concession stand? Or oh boy, I have always been
Speaker 1: somebody that gets popcorn. Well, I love barks root beer barks.
Speaker 1: You know it's it's from Mississippi. Um, I would always
Speaker 1: get barks no ice and always feel like, don't don't
Speaker 1: you even put ice in there because it comes out
Speaker 1: cold anyway. So just fill up the large one with
Speaker 1: barks no ice. Yeah, you get so much? Yeah and
Speaker 1: uh And I don't typically eat like that, but when
Speaker 1: I would go to the movies and it's like, fill
Speaker 1: me up big old barks and extra large, big gulp
Speaker 1: of popcorn and then throw some milk duds into the popcorn.
Speaker 1: And but now I'm vegan. So Stephanie just reminded me
Speaker 1: the other day. She's like, our milk days are gone.
Speaker 1: Inde sit in sort of the same area, or do
Speaker 1: you care? You know? Um, this girl I dated several
Speaker 1: years ago, she told me the trick at this one
Speaker 1: theater in Los Angeles, which, um, well, I don't want
Speaker 1: to tell you because I don't want in case you're
Speaker 1: in town, if you're going to see a movie when
Speaker 1: I'm going to see that all full to bump into me.
Speaker 1: Now it's I don't want you to steal my good seats.
Speaker 1: It's at the grove and if you sit with you
Speaker 1: sit behind where there's um bars. I think it might
Speaker 1: be a handicap seating is in front, so there's no
Speaker 1: chairs there. So if there's nobody in a wheelchair sitting
Speaker 1: there and you sit behind those bars, you can just
Speaker 1: put your feet on those bars. Yeah. I guess you
Speaker 1: could be a total jerk and put your feet up
Speaker 1: there if there's a wheelchair there, but I would highly
Speaker 1: suggest being a considerate human not doing that. Put your
Speaker 1: feet down, you slob. But anyway, Wow, so that's your
Speaker 1: that's your secret tip grove. But I also always have
Speaker 1: had a fantasy of going to a movie walking to
Speaker 1: the front the very front rope, you know, Ryder left
Speaker 1: corner by myself, just in an empty theater that was there.
Speaker 1: That's John Ronson's move. He sits in the front left seat.
Speaker 1: I'll see him there. I'll sit on his lap. So
Speaker 1: strange kind of like to see that. I know we
Speaker 1: have to wrap up. I will say, this is what
Speaker 1: my fantasy of I've always wanted to do is go
Speaker 1: into the grove. Yeah, and just start making announcements to
Speaker 1: the theater and not work there obviously, and just see
Speaker 1: how that goes for me. Yeah, see what takes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And because the person you know that does work there
Speaker 1: is going to come in and and need to do
Speaker 1: the announcements and ask me would you just freewheel it
Speaker 1: or yeah, just like make sure you get your ticket validated,
Speaker 1: and you know, no talking, turn off your cell phones,
Speaker 1: really tell people the rules, you know, please no talk.
Speaker 1: You know, just bathrooms are over here, and if you
Speaker 1: have to get up and get it. And then the
Speaker 1: person the job that is comes in and sees me
Speaker 1: doing it one day, one day, I'll do it, all right, thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Appreciate you coming in. All right.
Speaker 1: So how about that Jack Nataro and mask uh mirror
Speaker 1: seconds after getting the news that she was gonna live
Speaker 1: very very intense, cool conversation. She is the best. The
Speaker 1: fact that she soldiered on through this and uh we
Speaker 1: I feel like we really shared a moment. And I
Speaker 1: think she even admitted it on the show that she's
Speaker 1: going to remember this one for a while. So I
Speaker 1: feel lucky to have to have been with her when
Speaker 1: she found that news out. Very grateful that this all
Speaker 1: worked out this way and uh, not a bad way
Speaker 1: to get the second show off the ground. So I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it and we will see you next
Speaker 1: time on movie Crush and until then, Uh, would you
Speaker 1: mind putting your phone away? Movie Crushes, produced, edited, engineered,
Speaker 1: and scored by Noel Brown from our podcast studio at
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