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Speaker 1: How you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Doing great? John? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 2: So, the Giants in week number four decided to take

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson out of the starting lineup, slide in Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 2: their first round pick from this year in week number four.

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Speaker 2: You've been part of some of these decisions in the past.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the conversations are like and what

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Speaker 2: goes into the decision to decide to go with a

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Speaker 2: rookie this early in the season.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's a lot of variables. Obviously, the plan you know,

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Speaker 4: from a plan standpoint, very similar to when I was

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Speaker 4: You know, our our on paper plan was, you know,

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Speaker 4: it goes as long as we can get through as

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Speaker 4: much of the year as we can without having to

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Speaker 4: play the young guy. But you know, in that case,

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Speaker 4: it was an injury, so a little different, you know,

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Speaker 4: and Baker had to come in, and you know, Tyrod

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Speaker 4: could have come back, but the decision was made that

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, Baker did some good things.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to see what he could do. You know, again, these.

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Speaker 4: Are all kind of things that staffs vote and talk

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Speaker 4: a lot about, so you know, from that standpoint, I

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Speaker 4: felt like for the Giants the longer, you know, if

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Speaker 4: they could scrape out some wins through a really brutal schedule,

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Speaker 4: you know, that they could hold off the the wave

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Speaker 4: of outside noise, you know, which started pretty quickly in

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Speaker 4: New York because you know, when you're not able to

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of pressure coming from a lot

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Speaker 4: of different so you know, from from that standpoint, I

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Speaker 4: was rooting for some wins, so you know, Jackson could

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Speaker 4: continue to develop because there is developing that that has

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Speaker 3: But you know that's not the way it worked out.

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Speaker 2: So coach, once you get into the regular season, because

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Speaker 2: you know Jackson play in the preseason, we saw him

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Speaker 2: in a bunch of you know, training camp practices in

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Speaker 2: the spring, ota is all that sort of stuff. But

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Speaker 2: once you get into the regular season, he's not getting

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Speaker 2: nearly as many reps as he would be. And then

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Speaker 2: the summer in the spring, but you see him, he's

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Speaker 2: So what does that developmental process look like to know

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Speaker 4: You just know there's so few reps anyway that you know,

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Speaker 4: whoever you're planning on starting, you know, it's important they're

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Speaker 4: getting most of those reps. So you know, you sprinkle

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Speaker 4: him in here and there, but yeah, the bulk of

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Speaker 4: the works coming on the on the show team. Uh

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Speaker 4: and uh, you know, giving a look and that's great

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Speaker 4: so then you're you're taking them after practice a little before.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I I closely tie this situation to

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll get the preparing Jackson. A second last

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Speaker 2: veterans on the team have been very much behind Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: They spoke lonely about them. They're huge fans of russ.

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Speaker 2: Is this something you discussed with them? Do you have

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Speaker 2: that conversation? Do you not go that way? And will

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Speaker 2: the players know from watching Jackson Dart run the scout

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the players always know you know, they usually know

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Speaker 4: the public support is there. And I'm not saying whether

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Speaker 3: But the players know.

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Speaker 4: You know, the in my past history know that wasn't

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Speaker 3: You can tell how wide.

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Speaker 4: you know, the hardest conversation is is that one where

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Speaker 3: You got to tell the other he is.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the guy that's being told he is

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Speaker 3: You know, be cool. And then the guy that.

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Speaker 4: Obviously because there's disappointment, you know, and they'll be great

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Speaker 4: disappointment for Russell Wilson. Nobody likes to be taken out

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Speaker 1: Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: you got to go over the middle with at the score.

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Speaker 2: Great how do we make that happen? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Manning, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: So now take me to Tuesday game planning, getting ready,

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Speaker 4: I think number one, you better be playing to the

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Speaker 4: I would think simplify play to his strengths, some conversations

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Speaker 4: always you know, on Saturday night, what do you love?

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Speaker 3: What do you hate?

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Speaker 4: you got to be straight up and say, listen, I'm

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Speaker 2: Fantastic answer, coach. I had about three follow ups. I

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Speaker 2: think you answered all of them in that answer, which

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Speaker 2: is great. Right when you say pair it down and simplify,

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent I get, But is it just a

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Speaker 4: I think you throw the kitchen think at him in practice.

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Speaker 2: And that goes back to running the football, right If

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Speaker 2: team's going to play those two stafeties deep, you got

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Speaker 2: to run it.

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Speaker 3: You have to.

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Speaker 4: I mean you have to, yeah, and you have to

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Speaker 4: you have to keep running it, you really do. So

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Speaker 4: you know, like I said, the scataboo looks like he's

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Speaker 4: built for a guy, you know, a guy that can

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Speaker 4: carry it, you know, twenty twenty five times. That's that's

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Speaker 4: a good combination right there. And he's gonna beat the

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Speaker 4: defense up. And as we always hear, you know, three

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Speaker 4: yards in the first quarter, is four yards in the second,

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Speaker 4: and then it becomes five. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: you pop on for twenty five and you know, and

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Speaker 4: that's that's how you get good.

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Speaker 2: And do you try to draw up some easy design

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Speaker 2: plays to get the dark neighbors connection going early in

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Speaker 2: this game. So Elite coming off a rough week starts

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Speaker 2: fueling go early and they kind of build a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a rhythm earlier in the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this has been another topic that I do have

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Speaker 4: an opinion on. And you know, having been a receivers coach,

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Speaker 4: been around some great receivers through my career coaching career,

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Speaker 4: I think you have to you have to do that.

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Speaker 4: You have to every play design. Now it's not every

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Speaker 4: play pass, but most of them better feature your your

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Speaker 4: big dog first. Doesn't mean he's getting it, but at

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Speaker 4: least have the play start that way that he's first

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Speaker 4: in line to potentially get a target or a touch.

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Speaker 4: And then you have some specialty plays where he's guaranteed

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Speaker 4: a touch, you know, whether it's a screen, whatever it

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Speaker 4: is that you know, you know, I don't care if

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Speaker 4: you line him up in the backfield and throw him

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Speaker 4: a swing pass, you know, with somebody blocking on the edge,

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Speaker 4: you know. But I always had a box on my

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Speaker 4: call sheet. When I was in Pittsburgh, it was AB.

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Speaker 4: When I was in Kansas City, it was Dwayne Bow

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Speaker 4: or Jamal Charles. When I was in Arizona it was

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Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald where I had a little box for them

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Speaker 4: that were kind of guaranteed touches I could get him

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Speaker 4: get the I made sure I got those some of

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Speaker 4: those plays called early because these guys are different creatures.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these big time receivers.

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Speaker 4: You know, they want to be involved, and the more

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Speaker 4: involved they are, the more into the game they are,

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Speaker 4: and you don't lose track of them. So yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think you got to feature them in most every You know,

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Speaker 4: in Dallas we had Jason Witten, so the tight end coach,

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Speaker 4: Tony Sprano, the late Tony Sprano at that time, he'd

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Speaker 4: be in the game plan room. Aye, we gotta get

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Speaker 4: something to wit and we gotta get something to wit

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Speaker 4: and and you're doing the same thing for your your

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Speaker 4: better players. You know, those are the guys you want

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Speaker 4: having the opportunity to touch the ball the most, especially

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Speaker 4: in third downs and critical situations.

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Speaker 2: In terms of managing the rookie quarterback during the game,

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Speaker 2: and this might not be a head coach thing, but

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Speaker 2: obviously there's lots of up and downs. It's the first

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Speaker 2: game starting could be a little emotional. How much is

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Speaker 2: that kind of managing that based on the personality of

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Speaker 2: the quarterback? Now, I'm you know, one guys, Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: is going to be different than Baker Mayfield, Right, it

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Speaker 2: was gonna be different than Tony Romo.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be different than Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: So how do you try to keep the guy level

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Speaker 2: and maybe not get a little too fired up?

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Speaker 1: I imagine that was the problem with Baker.

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Speaker 2: He probably went into that game with his hair on

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Speaker 2: fire one to make a million throws.

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Speaker 1: I think Jackson will probably be the same way.

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Speaker 2: How do you try to manage that part of it

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Speaker 2: with the rookie not being maybe a little bit too

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Speaker 2: juiced up or overwhelmed in his first start.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know Jackson other than what I've seen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's all personality based.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, I had Matt Castle in Kansas City, and

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Speaker 4: I take flag for uh for some of these things.

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Speaker 4: But you know, he was it was good. He was

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Speaker 4: a good quarterback, but you know, not a you know,

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Speaker 4: upper half of the league type quarterback. But I figured

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Speaker 4: out that when he was pissed off, he played better.

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Speaker 4: And so I spent most of my time just trying

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Speaker 4: to tick him off and and and he'd be pissed

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Speaker 4: at me and we'd be yelling back and forth, but

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Speaker 4: he played better. Uh, you know, we're other guys. Like

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Speaker 4: you said, Baker, you had to, you know, you had

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Speaker 4: to put the little choke lely shan him and try

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Speaker 4: to hey, calm down, calm down, you know. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's all personality driven. It looks like Jackson has good energy.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you know, he's gonna be a guy

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have to fire up a whole bunch. So

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Speaker 4: then with him it would probably be just stay calm.

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Speaker 4: There's good bad things are gonna happen, you know. It's

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Speaker 4: just you know, move on to the next play.

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Speaker 1: As you try to get Metcastle, Matt.

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Speaker 2: All I can think of is Woody howse and getting

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Speaker 2: Wesley snipes mad and white Man can't jump?

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Speaker 1: Is it taking plays better?

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 2: So this is my last one for you, and it's

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Speaker 2: a little you know, existential, so please bear with me.

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Speaker 2: As a coach, you think you know what your quarterback

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Speaker 2: is gonna look like and what he's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: You put this game plan together, you work with them.

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Speaker 2: All week, and I think you probably have a good

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Speaker 2: feel for what that's going to look like.

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Speaker 1: But in your experience, do you really or is the

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Speaker 1: coach really.

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Speaker 2: Sitting there thinking kind of like the rest of us, Like,

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Speaker 2: I wonder what this is gonna look like once we

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Speaker 2: actually get into this thing and he's under center and

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Speaker 2: he's leading the eleven guys on offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you never know, you really don't, and I don't care,

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Speaker 4: you know, if it's Ben Roethlisberger, I mean, you know

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Speaker 4: kind of what you're gonna get. But you just you know,

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Speaker 4: we had two games stretch with him where he threw

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Speaker 4: twelve touchdowns. Did I know that was coming? No, I

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Speaker 4: had no idea that was coming. But you know, when

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Speaker 4: they're on, they're on. When they're off, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: about trying to get them back on as quickly as

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Speaker 4: you can.

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Speaker 1: Coach awesome stuff.

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Speaker 2: You can find Coach Halley on Sirius XM. He goes

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Speaker 2: with Bob Poppa. He's on with Slomon Wilcotts as well.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you go find it check it out on

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Speaker 2: Serious XM. Coach, thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk soon and enjoy the rest of the season.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely tell Papa I said, hello.

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