Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Come that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
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Speaker 1: and Tye, welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls.
Speaker 1: My name is ty Hildebrand. Joining me over there in
Speaker 1: rainy yet still fatherly New York City.
Speaker 2: My man feeling a bit under the weather. Dan Rubinstein, sir,
Speaker 2: how you doing?
Speaker 1: I am reinvigorated. Tyler Okay, I am feeling good. It's
Speaker 1: it's been a successful day both as a father and
Speaker 1: as a general human. We've got good college basketball on TV.
Speaker 1: We're recording this at around five pm Eastern. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, hey, dogs are barking out there. The dogs are
Speaker 2: barking in your brackets. Hope you picked a bunch of underdogs.
Speaker 2: Hope you got in on the solid verbal bracket pool.
Speaker 2: We had I lost count several hundred entries that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pushing into a thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a crush at the last second, as per usual,
Speaker 2: but started off on the right foot by killing off
Speaker 2: one of my NCAA's survivor pool entries in Louisville going down.
Speaker 1: Loullville, loa. But yeah, off to a good start. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: It is a fun time of year as what we
Speaker 1: have teams practicing, you know, spring practice. I know Oregon
Speaker 1: I think is on a break right now. Has Notre
Speaker 1: Dame started? I have no idea. It's a good to
Speaker 1: go there. I have no idea. That's a good answer.
Speaker 1: Has Penn State started? No idea. Yeah, we have a
Speaker 1: number of questions both about college football and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just felt right now. I'm just getting lazier and
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Speaker 1: check got that going on in my life. We got
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Speaker 1: got some grilling questions. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff. Oh,
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Speaker 1: how people would take that. But we have third date
Speaker 1: questions ty terrific, terrific.
Speaker 2: Well, as you know, it is the college football off season,
Speaker 2: and what we're trying to do is basically what we
Speaker 2: did last year, where we did one Q and a
Speaker 2: show per month. These are typically among the more popular
Speaker 2: offseason shows that we do because we get to give
Speaker 2: back to the verbaler hood and answer some questions that
Speaker 2: are out there.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: As you know, you put out some specific topics of
Speaker 2: which we received a number of different questions, but we
Speaker 2: also got a bunch of college football ones.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where we're where we're going to start,
Speaker 1: because that's where we typically like to start. And maybe
Speaker 1: we'll even play a little bit of a chime as
Speaker 1: we go through this to alert people when we maybe
Speaker 1: make that awkward transition over to non football or more
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Speaker 2: means we're growing as adults.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that means what was
Speaker 1: the I guess this is growing up. That's right. Have
Speaker 1: these moments every now and then we have our damn
Speaker 1: at moments, and here we are. Do you want to
Speaker 1: start with transfer talk? I want to start with Quinn.
Speaker 2: Quinn says, does Tate Martel being eligible immediately at Miami
Speaker 2: opened the door for more slash all transfers not having
Speaker 2: to sit out a year in the future. So Tate Martel,
Speaker 2: highly regarded recruit from Ohio State, after the coaching move,
Speaker 2: after the Justin Fields transfer, Tate Martel decides that he's
Speaker 2: going to go elsewhere, picks Miami, files a case with
Speaker 2: the NCAA, is granted immediate eligibility. This is now, I guess,
Speaker 2: the third high profile transfer in just two seasons to
Speaker 2: be named immediately eligible, starting with Shaye Patterson, Justin Fields,
Speaker 2: and now Tate Martel.
Speaker 1: Dan, does this open the door for more of the same?
Speaker 1: It's slippery slope tie right? Yes and no. My assumption, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, we don't know what was in Tate
Speaker 1: Martell's appeal. We have somewhat of an idea that what
Speaker 1: was in Justin Field's appeal, and we have a good
Speaker 1: idea of what was in Shape Patterson's appeal. I would say,
Speaker 1: assume the three most the highest profile cases of appealing
Speaker 1: for immediate eligibility in the past couple of years, right, correct.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not leaving anybody out, but I might be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So one, we don't know what's in
Speaker 1: Tate Martell's actual appeal, but we do know that his
Speaker 1: head coach retired, and we do know that a quarterback
Speaker 1: transferred in which doesn't feel like a good enough reason
Speaker 1: to be immediately eligible elsewhere. But without fully knowing the case,
Speaker 1: it's hard to fully comment. I also want to believe
Speaker 1: that many quarterbacks want to succeed at the place they go,
Speaker 1: that it's not their choice to leave to start over
Speaker 1: again with a new system, with new friends, new classes,
Speaker 1: new dating, new social life, learning everything new. And I
Speaker 1: understand that for somebody as high profile as these guys,
Speaker 1: it's in their heads a kind of business decision. I
Speaker 1: got to start. I got to put myself in position
Speaker 1: to be seen and to succeed and maybe get the
Speaker 1: attention of NFL scouts.
Speaker 2: The old silas red business decision.
Speaker 1: Sure. Correct, Yes, but there is a part of me
Speaker 1: that says, well, this sort of changes the dynamic where
Speaker 1: a player is unhappy and he just leaves. I don't
Speaker 1: believe players want to be unhappy. I don't players. I
Speaker 1: don't think players want to just go when they're like
Speaker 1: not happy for a day. I don't think a lot
Speaker 1: of these decisions are just impulsive and I'm not happy here,
Speaker 1: I want to start there. I think a lot goes
Speaker 1: into these decisions. So to look at it as if
Speaker 1: like the paradigm is changing and college football is ruined,
Speaker 1: I think sort of misses it a little bit. That said,
Speaker 1: I understand the fear. I understand we're like, we have
Speaker 1: this four star receiver and he's not starting, he's gonna leave.
Speaker 1: We have this five star quarterback and he's not starting
Speaker 1: as a true freshman, he's gonna leave. It sucks to
Speaker 1: have like your future be in doubt constantly. I just
Speaker 1: don't I'm somewhere I understand that because if an Oregon
Speaker 1: player were to do this because he was unhappy sitting
Speaker 1: behind an incumbent starter, like, oh that sucks. It was
Speaker 1: nice to have that depth and have him be the
Speaker 1: future someday. But at the same time, you're like, kid
Speaker 1: realized he made a mistake when he was sixteen, or
Speaker 1: kid couldn't have seen his offensive coordinator leaving, or his
Speaker 1: coach retiring, or you know, they're leaving their conference, you know,
Speaker 1: all sorts of changes that are out of his hands.
Speaker 1: So I get both sides of it. I really think
Speaker 1: it's overblown that suddenly we're going to see, you know,
Speaker 1: all these players transferring without having to sit out a year.
Speaker 1: I think people are just panicking with sort of a
Speaker 1: recency bias. It's also March. It is also a lot
Speaker 1: of panic.
Speaker 2: We got a question from Derek who asks, to your point,
Speaker 2: is a transfer rule out of control? Are there any
Speaker 2: real consequences for leaving early? And I think I agree
Speaker 2: with you now a little bit of recency bias if
Speaker 2: you want to call it that, given that, again, we've
Speaker 2: had three very high profile quarterbacks in under two seasons
Speaker 2: now transfer and be ruled immediately eligible.
Speaker 1: And to reset things, this is Tate Martel immediately eligible
Speaker 1: transferring from Ohio State, former five star quarterback to Miami
Speaker 1: to Miami. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2: I don't think that we are spiraling out of control
Speaker 2: with this rule. But there's no doubt if you look
Speaker 2: at what's transpired over the last year or so now,
Speaker 2: that it seems more attainable. If you're a recruit out
Speaker 2: there and you're thinking I might want to go elsewhere,
Speaker 2: it seems like this is at least maybe more doable
Speaker 2: than it's been in recent memory. So the door has
Speaker 2: been somewhat opened. I am with you, though I don't
Speaker 2: think we're quite at the point where it's gotten out
Speaker 2: of control. And I do think college football is going
Speaker 2: to need to take a look at this and figure
Speaker 2: out a way that you can be fair to players
Speaker 2: right in a way that you know gives them the
Speaker 2: amount of flexibility. Maybe not to the same degree as
Speaker 2: coaches who can just leave whenever they want and go elsewhere,
Speaker 2: but Dixie chicks room to make the big mistake that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. College football needs to figure out a
Speaker 2: way to accommodate that.
Speaker 1: And I think there are probably considerations we don't know
Speaker 1: about in these appeals process, that is, that are presented
Speaker 1: to the NCAA. If you know, a player gets as
Speaker 1: good grades and he has never had discipline issues, and
Speaker 1: there are extenuating circumstances outside of what the public knows,
Speaker 1: be it with and you know, these sorts of things
Speaker 1: do leak if it's an illness in the family or whatever.
Speaker 1: There there's always more to the story than sure, And
Speaker 1: this is my assumption. Then, yeah, I was unhappy. I
Speaker 1: want to go to this school now and I want
Speaker 1: to play tomorrow. Like, I don't think it's a Violet
Speaker 1: Boregard situation.
Speaker 2: Well, there is usually more nuance to a situation than
Speaker 2: what you read in the news, and that's probably the
Speaker 2: case here. There just has to be a happy medium
Speaker 2: between the old rule where you can't go anywhere without
Speaker 2: sitting out a year and a full on transfer market.
Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to basketball either. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be a situation where you
Speaker 1: know somebody's going to play for three four different schools.
Speaker 1: I think that the Tate for CA's and shout out
Speaker 1: to all the Tate quarterbacks out there that are a
Speaker 1: little bit shorter for we're going to have to make
Speaker 1: these jokes if there's a new Tate coming along in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one or something. Sure, but it was unfortunate
Speaker 1: that you know, this is the start of this conversation
Speaker 1: another tape transferring from the West coast. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's right, And I really don't see this as
Speaker 1: you know, the breaking of the dam.
Speaker 2: Breaking of the dam. All right, let's move on, let's
Speaker 2: go to Graylen. He says, what would be more surprising
Speaker 2: Arkansas finishing in the top three in the SEC West
Speaker 2: or Alabama finishing somewhere other than first in the West. Daniel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this is sort of a no brainer.
Speaker 1: I think Arkansas finishing in the top three. I hate
Speaker 1: when the radio hosts say I will eat my hat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will eat my shoe. But Arkansas finishing in the
Speaker 1: top three this year would mean for some pretty apocalyptic
Speaker 1: goings on in the SEC West, which I don't want
Speaker 1: to joke about. I don't want to run through. But
Speaker 1: you're you're obviously talking about weird unforeseen coaching changes and injuries.
Speaker 1: Because with what Arkansas put on the field last year,
Speaker 1: I get it changing to a more open offense and
Speaker 1: a pro style system and getting you know, Chad Morris's
Speaker 1: guys in the program, and they had what they bring
Speaker 1: in a top twenty five recruiting classes year nine ten
Speaker 1: eleven blue chip kids coming in including a four star
Speaker 1: quarterback and some transfers at quarterback including Nick Starkele from
Speaker 1: Texas A and m Ben Hicks from SMU. There's just
Speaker 1: it's not there.
Speaker 2: It's no well, hey right now, oh and eight in
Speaker 2: conference last year, two and eight. Overall, you look around
Speaker 2: the west side of the SEC, Alabama's Alabama, lsu A,
Speaker 2: and M Auburn, all of them are pretty stocked. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say Auburn is looking like a ten
Speaker 2: win team, but all those teams are already starting from
Speaker 2: a place where they're pretty stocked. Mississippi State and Ole
Speaker 2: Miss Yeah, I think both in a much better spot
Speaker 2: than than Arkansas. Again, amid the transition, you would expect
Speaker 2: some bumps, but to jump into the top three, like
Speaker 2: you said, it would somehow need to involve an apocalyptic scenario.
Speaker 1: I agree and twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: It's conversation we can have, especially if there's a promising quarterback.
Speaker 1: But right now, it's going to take a lot. It's
Speaker 1: going to take a lot for that kind of seismic
Speaker 1: shift because there's just there's too much. There's just too
Speaker 1: much in the West right now. That is not necessarily
Speaker 1: excellent in the way that it was I believe in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, but impressively competent. All right, Dan, let's go
Speaker 1: over to Bob. What a Bob? He says two questions.
Speaker 1: Do you know I almost named the solid baby Bob? No,
Speaker 1: and by almost I pitched it. It was immediately shot
Speaker 1: down with where are you? Are you serious? Did you
Speaker 1: like Robert or Bob? That's not nice to are Robert
Speaker 1: and Bob and Bobby listeners? No? I wanted it. Did
Speaker 1: you pitch Robert or did you pitch Bob? Straight Bob? Huh?
Speaker 1: Straight baby Bob. I felt like it would catch people
Speaker 1: off guard. I felt like it could, at least in
Speaker 1: maybe his social group, like, oh, I like that, so
Speaker 1: you would have gone Bob not Rob. I don't like
Speaker 1: it as much. I don't like Bob as much as
Speaker 1: his actual name, but like in the pitch sessions, it
Speaker 1: came up as something I liked. Let's go to Bob. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My questions, can we in all caps? Can we win
Speaker 1: a playoff game with Brian Kelly as a head coach?
Speaker 1: This is a notre damer here? Can we win? Who's
Speaker 1: to say? Mexico State fan.
Speaker 2: With Brian Kelly as our head coach. I know he
Speaker 2: can get us there, and he's one hundred times better
Speaker 2: than Charlie Weiss, But can he do it? Secondly, what
Speaker 2: are proper expectations for the third date? And should they
Speaker 2: be revised if a person was born in a Latin
Speaker 2: American We'll get.
Speaker 1: To that question.
Speaker 2: We will get to the third A lot there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of meat on that bone. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that in Soliverble after hours.
Speaker 1: May I before you answer yes, may I ask it
Speaker 1: in a serious voice? Please serious? Xm ty? Can Brian
Speaker 1: Kelly get over that hump? Does Brian Kelly have a
Speaker 1: Clemson and Alabama problem? Can he get Notre Dame from
Speaker 1: great to elite? Sure?
Speaker 2: It's such a loaded question right now. I think there
Speaker 2: is such a golf between Alabama and Clemson and the
Speaker 2: rest of college football. I don't know if Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: I think George's waiting at Georgia.
Speaker 2: George is getting there. They're kind of swimming across the
Speaker 2: gulf to join the other two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're peering in like what was it Billy
Speaker 1: Madison or was it Happy gilm or peering in at
Speaker 1: prom Oh? I think that would be Billy Madison. Okay, there,
Speaker 1: George's not at prom as a as a top tier team,
Speaker 1: but they're looking in longingly.
Speaker 2: That's right, they're getting they're swimming across the whatever metaphor
Speaker 2: you'd like to use, Georgia's knocking on that door. Notre
Speaker 2: Dame finds itself in pretty good company in that next
Speaker 2: tier of college football now. I happen to think they
Speaker 2: need higher level quarterback play than what they got from
Speaker 2: ian Book. Ian Book was a limiting factor. They've done
Speaker 2: a lot of work, really good work. Recruiting along the
Speaker 2: offensive line. Was tough to go up against Clemson because
Speaker 2: they had four NFL starters, but by and large doing
Speaker 2: work in the trenches, both offensive and defensive. I think
Speaker 2: that's a step forward. We still need a little bit
Speaker 2: more depth, need to see more depth in the secondary
Speaker 2: because I think that's been an achilles heel for them
Speaker 2: as well, and they need to find a way to
Speaker 2: get more playmaking from their guys out wide. I could
Speaker 2: check the boxes here. A good year, though, we could
Speaker 2: go we could go for eons about what Notre Dame
Speaker 2: could tweak to get better. But they made the playoff.
Speaker 2: They had an undefeated regular season. This is still a
Speaker 2: good team with a good coach. Bob, You're right, Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly's one hundred times better than Charlie Weis. I know
Speaker 2: people dog them all the time, and that's fine, I
Speaker 2: get it. But there are a few elements of that
Speaker 2: team that need to be taken up a notch in
Speaker 2: order for them to really get to that status maintaining
Speaker 2: it once you get to a Clemson level. If you
Speaker 2: can get to a Clemson level, maintaining that level is
Speaker 2: a different story altogether.
Speaker 1: Very few teams can do that. Two points slash questions. One,
Speaker 1: if you want us to talk about Notre Dame less,
Speaker 1: ask about your team, Come on. Two, that was a joke.
Speaker 1: I apologize. Two, you should as I want to say
Speaker 1: this politely. As a fan who roots for a team
Speaker 1: who's won a playoff game, I feel like maybe I
Speaker 1: should be the one to jump in, Oh please, then
Speaker 1: go ahead, kind of know what it takes. No. Two,
Speaker 1: Ian Book had a good year. Ian Book was one
Speaker 1: of the top fourteen fifteen quarterbacks in the country. That's good, absolutely, okay,
Speaker 1: absolutely so. I don't know if it's all on Ian
Speaker 1: Book now.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting it all. I'm not putting it all
Speaker 2: on Ian Brooks. I'm saying that his skill set was
Speaker 2: a limiting factor. You can only throw so many ten
Speaker 2: yard outs or pop passes over the middle or screen
Speaker 2: passes out wide before a defense catches on him throwing deep.
Speaker 1: But is there a quarterback outside of like this year,
Speaker 1: was there a quarterback outside of Tua? Maybe Haskins, Greer,
Speaker 1: I guess we can start having a from conversation. But
Speaker 1: beyond that that you would have swapped into the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame lineup and said, Okay, he was good. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to play the game where I would rather have. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying rather have what I'm saying realistically, if
Speaker 1: Will Greer or Jake from or Dwayne Haskins is the
Speaker 1: Notre Dame quarterback, are they Is that game a game
Speaker 1: with two minutes left? He any one of those got
Speaker 1: what was the final score? Thirty to three? Thirty to three?
Speaker 2: Any one of those guys gives Notre Dame more pop
Speaker 2: on offense because they can throw a better deep ball.
Speaker 1: Are they within four points with two minutes left? Probably? No?
Speaker 1: Probably not. And then if you look at I just
Speaker 1: while you were talking You're not the only one who
Speaker 1: can do things while the other person.
Speaker 2: The problem wasn't so much ian Book as it was
Speaker 2: trying to stop Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Right, So if you go back and ian Book could
Speaker 1: have for certain done more in that game to keep
Speaker 1: it close, But I don't. I think it was sort
Speaker 1: of just a foregone conclusion. The two best Notre Dame
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in two thousand and nine, Deshaun Kaiser in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen and Jimmy Classon in two thousand and nine. Do
Speaker 1: either of them make a difference. I think I'd rather
Speaker 1: have either of those in ian Book, Okay, but do
Speaker 1: they make a Is it a competitive situation with them? Again,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's Probably not. Probably not, because.
Speaker 2: They were up against a buzz saw, a buzz saw
Speaker 2: that destroyed Alabama in the second half.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a Brian Kelly quarterback thing that
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you know are pretty good and have you know,
Speaker 1: well you can make you could make that case, Dan
Speaker 1: and two thousand and nine wasn't Clawson was not Brian
Speaker 1: Kelly by the way.
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, agreed, But you could make a very
Speaker 2: strong case that no quarterback under his watch has truly
Speaker 2: lived up to their potential.
Speaker 1: The short answer, after we just gave long answers, is
Speaker 1: can Notre Dame win a playoff game? Yeah? When they
Speaker 1: don't have to play Clemson or Alabama? They can win
Speaker 1: a playoff game if they draw Washington, if they draw
Speaker 1: Michigan State, if they draw Texas Oklahoma, if it's not
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray, if they draw whoever, if
Speaker 1: they're Florida State or Florida. Yes, right now, Clemson and
Speaker 1: Alabama are nearly impossible, especially with time to prepare, unless
Speaker 1: you are Clemson or Alabama.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, on that note, Dan, speaking of Clemson,
Speaker 2: speaking of Alabama, Jay with one of my favorite questions
Speaker 2: of all time, Oh Spice, at what point does a
Speaker 2: team win enough games to transition from lovable underdog to
Speaker 2: a full bond villain? At what point did slash? Does
Speaker 2: Clemson switch over? This is I love this question, A
Speaker 2: terrific question, Jay, Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1: Let's back up to you. What is your ideal lovable team?
Speaker 1: What composes an ideal lovable team in not like A
Speaker 1: They're scrappy and weird to watch two am, not like that?
Speaker 1: What is your like, I really enjoy everything that's happening
Speaker 1: with this program and team, specifically on the field, off
Speaker 1: the field, whatever what goes into that. For Tyler Hildemrant,
Speaker 1: the underdog component is pretty big to me. Okay, And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back to some of those Boise State teams
Speaker 1: when Boise was really revving up its program. You'll member,
Speaker 1: bois wasn't always a dog, but they had that underdog
Speaker 1: appeal because they were a group of five team and
Speaker 1: they came from from Idaho with the blue turf, and
Speaker 1: they ran a lot of trick plays that to me,
Speaker 1: was very lovable a lot of teams, a lot of
Speaker 1: people were rooting for Boise, I think because of that.
Speaker 1: But the second component of that, even though they had
Speaker 1: the underdog appeal, when you actually watched them play, some
Speaker 1: of those.
Speaker 2: Boise teams balled out on defense. It wasn't just smoking mirrors.
Speaker 2: They were good. To the old Jared Zabranski like, those
Speaker 2: were good teams sure that played and won against high
Speaker 2: level competition. So I think for me as a starting point,
Speaker 2: it's a combination of having that underdog appeal with not
Speaker 2: feeling like you're a fluke when you actually watched them
Speaker 2: out there on the field.
Speaker 1: But if I did to guess you didn't watch a
Speaker 1: lot of Boise games unless it was a huge one.
Speaker 2: You bite your tongue, sir. I watched a lot of
Speaker 2: Boise State football.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you I sat and watched
Speaker 1: all of boys see Utah or BYU if it was
Speaker 1: a down matchup against one of those teams. Didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: sit and watch all of Boise, New Mexico whoever. I
Speaker 1: would see a score in the third, middle of the
Speaker 1: third quarter, like, oh wow, it's thirty five to thirty one.
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch the rest of this. I didn't
Speaker 1: sit down and watch a lot of games that didn't
Speaker 1: have initial appeal unless it was that early, you know,
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, Georgia whoever. And so I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of lovability about that team,
Speaker 1: but I think it's more to me. What makes the
Speaker 1: team lovable is one I like when teams get over
Speaker 1: the hump. I like that a lot. And I refer
Speaker 1: a team once again that never got over the national
Speaker 1: championship winning hump, but they got over the hump, and
Speaker 1: that they finally got to that game after coming up
Speaker 1: short with Mike Bolattia a couple times. I like when
Speaker 1: a coach has personality that's not condescending, which is tough
Speaker 1: because that's that's sort of built into the DNA for
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys. And so as it relates
Speaker 1: to Clemson, do Clemson get over a hump? Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1: I think we are uniquely qualified to talk about Clemson
Speaker 1: getting over certain humps that is for the course of the season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Clemson there is a likability factor, there's a
Speaker 1: style of play factor that they check both of those boxes.
Speaker 1: You got your trick plays. They like the large man plays,
Speaker 1: you know Christian Wilkins, where they're just they don't take
Speaker 1: themselves so so seriously that they're willing to get creative.
Speaker 1: You have Deshaun Watson, who was a very fun quarterback
Speaker 1: to watch. And there was something about Clemson at least
Speaker 1: playing probably two to three competitive close games every year
Speaker 1: that even when they're excellent, you we still know that
Speaker 1: Clemson has down weeks, whereas the machine that is Alabama football,
Speaker 1: they would have their Ole Miss week or their Mississippi
Speaker 1: State week where it would get strange, or a low
Speaker 1: scoring LSU game but where they stand now to say
Speaker 1: Alabama football is in a fun, lovable place. It's impressive,
Speaker 1: it's excellent, but lovable probably not.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lovability yeah factor that I think weighs
Speaker 2: pretty heavily here. It's like, you know, we talk about
Speaker 2: this a lot with the NFL. The NFL feels corporate
Speaker 2: and soulless compared to college football.
Speaker 1: You gotta give me some charm.
Speaker 2: You got to have some personality, You got to have
Speaker 2: something to latch onto. Alabama unless you're already a fan,
Speaker 2: doesn't really give you that. Whereas Clemson, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that they've clearly gotten over that proverbial hump, there's still
Speaker 2: a lot of personality there. Yeah, you're right, and I
Speaker 2: think it makes it harder to declare them in that
Speaker 2: bond villain stage is and.
Speaker 1: This is I'm not gonna use lovable. Is Dabo likable
Speaker 1: charming to you? Do you think do you swing more
Speaker 1: on the you know, putting up a front full of
Speaker 1: crap kind of thing with Dabo or genuinely likable charming,
Speaker 1: you know, is what he projects himself to be. It's
Speaker 1: the Tebow dilemma. I have no idea who Tim Tebow
Speaker 1: is I.
Speaker 2: Would say that there is still enough personality and still
Speaker 2: enough authenticity with Dabbo. Okay that, Yeah, he's lovable, he's likable,
Speaker 2: there's something to latch onto.
Speaker 1: I think I swing that way as well, but it's
Speaker 1: nothing that really has had. Like the dancing in the
Speaker 1: locker room great. I don't go either way on that.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Sure, the interviews, the catchphrases to bring your
Speaker 1: own guts, it's fine. That's nothing bad. It's nothing great.
Speaker 1: The thing that I liked a lot about him where
Speaker 1: there's like these there's a couple of moments. Remember when
Speaker 1: he played Steve Spurrier's voicemails to him for a story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. That was great. We're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: this guy is not super self serious all of the time.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy just you know, can let down,
Speaker 1: was let down. His hair is not a great example
Speaker 1: because it doesn't have long hair, but I like that
Speaker 1: there is that element to him. So right now, I
Speaker 1: think Clemson is not necessarily lovable. I think they're swinging
Speaker 1: in the machine direction. You know, Trevor Lawrence doesn't have
Speaker 1: a big personality excellent to watch. I'm not gonna he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a bad personalities eighteen nineteen years old. Nobody does.
Speaker 1: But I don't know the personalities yet for this coming
Speaker 1: season where I can say, Okay, this guy's great, this
Speaker 1: style is great. The way they're going about this is great.
Speaker 1: I just want to see what they look like and
Speaker 1: how they respond to being down three or four early
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. I want that. That, to me
Speaker 1: is lovable. If you're never in competitive games because you're
Speaker 1: either terrible or you're just far and away more talented
Speaker 1: and better coached and more of a machine than everybody else,
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard for me to love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clemson right now is James Bond. They're not the villain.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah they are. They are the coolest team
Speaker 1: in this moment, I would say, right, I would agree
Speaker 1: with that. Okay, wow, what a weird path we've taken
Speaker 1: with this, What a weird path. Indeed, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you want to blurb us in the twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: Clemson media guy, Yeah, the coolest team right now or here,
Speaker 1: just even put it on the walls of your facility. Sure,
Speaker 1: just give us credit, just give us, just download the
Speaker 1: pie and we're good. I can't believe we've come this
Speaker 1: far with Clemson. But yeah, and you know what, here's
Speaker 1: another factor, and this doesn't tell the whole story. How
Speaker 1: are teams fans and it's impossible to paint a fan
Speaker 1: base with a single paint swipe, brother, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: gold On, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2: As a Notre Dame fan, yeah, I am uniquely qualified
Speaker 2: to talk about this.
Speaker 1: And you're right, your fans are not the worst.
Speaker 2: They're not the worst. No, but there is a perception
Speaker 2: among non Notre Dame fans that they're among the worst,
Speaker 2: and that the program has a bit of a machine
Speaker 2: institutional quality to it, that some of the personality is
Speaker 2: boiled off.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is not likable. Notre Dame does not do
Speaker 1: much in the likability department. For me.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of factors there that make Notre
Speaker 2: Dame a lot less likable. Now, right, doesn't affect me,
Speaker 2: but I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you. There's a preachiness to Notre
Speaker 1: Dame in general that has nothing really to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that there are a Catholic institute. Hell, there's
Speaker 1: a preachiness to Dabbo Sweeney. There is, there is, there is,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a demerit to me, and I get it,
Speaker 1: and you know, you take in the whole story. But
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is a tough ask because of the the
Speaker 1: in Stuto shutting, you know, like the the the baggage
Speaker 1: that comes with Notre Dame. And there's a self importance
Speaker 1: there that I on one level definitely understand accomplished a
Speaker 1: lot over time, but it's it's a tough ask. Is
Speaker 1: this a good transition into the like if an alien
Speaker 1: came down from Earth, and who should you tell this
Speaker 1: alien to root for in each conference? Well? Okay, here
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This one from Wes the Runner on Twitter. Hello Wes, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you had zero prior attachment to college football, what
Speaker 2: team would you root for in each conference?
Speaker 1: Yep? So to your question, Dan, let's start with the American.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the American. Yeah, pull up the college
Speaker 1: football standings. Refamiliarize yourself with who's in what conference. Because
Speaker 1: it's late March, I'm picking from the American right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: say it, say it. I guess it's Yen yef right,
Speaker 1: Nea Matello, It's either or Houston? Yeah, uh, Houston. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm fine with them. They fired their coach
Speaker 1: real quickly. The Luke Fickle story at Cincinnati is really good.
Speaker 1: They're chilly at side. Cincinnati's likable if we.
Speaker 2: Frame this though in the context of the alien coming
Speaker 2: down from outer space, wide eyed looking around college football?
Speaker 2: Who to root for? The Dana Holgerson Angle at Houston
Speaker 2: is pretty damn fun. Yeah, no, they're They're going to
Speaker 2: look fun on offense for sure.
Speaker 1: Can we agree on Houston? I'm gonna go Memphis. To me,
Speaker 1: Memphis is the most likable. They've played a ton of
Speaker 1: fun games. They play a wide open offense. I like
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks. They've put players in the NFL recently, and
Speaker 1: well Memphis, acc okay, acc, who's the most likable? Lovable?
Speaker 1: Get on this train and you'll at least enjoy yourself
Speaker 1: more often than you won't at a minimum.
Speaker 2: Well, we just talked about Clemson. Yeah, there is a
Speaker 2: there's a likability with Clemson.
Speaker 1: Now, that's that's too bandwagony.
Speaker 2: Miami could be fun. We don't know which direction that's going. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true, but there's a swagger there. There's a bit
Speaker 2: of any which is weird for Miami, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of there. I like Manny Diaz Many, even with the
Speaker 2: departure real quick. The Q's thing is interesting because I
Speaker 2: like Dino, I like the style. I like that they
Speaker 2: weirdly play in a dome. I mean, I understand it's
Speaker 2: Western New York.
Speaker 1: But the Syracuse thing is they're competitive. They take good
Speaker 1: teams down to the wire or they beat them. And
Speaker 1: they are a team who was super down and now
Speaker 1: they've become pretty competitive most of the time. I did
Speaker 1: watch the Notre Dame game and that was Syracue.
Speaker 2: Sort of is the team that you would pick if
Speaker 2: you are an alien, isn't it?
Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, it's moved. Yeah, okay, next, Big twelve.
Speaker 1: I think this is easy. Big twelve. Who are you
Speaker 1: going with? I go clones and I don't think twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that quarterback who became an All American linebacker there, they
Speaker 1: were terrible or just maddeningly maddeningly inconsistent. They take down giants.
Speaker 1: They play a fun style, at least defensively. They switched
Speaker 1: over to that dime a couple of years ago. On
Speaker 1: board that was pretty difficult. Big twelve has a lot
Speaker 1: of pretty likable teams, fun teams to get behind, you
Speaker 1: throw out Oklahoma and Texas just because then you're just
Speaker 1: jumping on. It's got to be Iowa State. I think
Speaker 1: it's Iowa State. TCU's kind of close for me, but
Speaker 1: I know you have too much in the in your
Speaker 1: past with TCU. Big ten is Perdue. I'm scanning Wisconsin's
Speaker 1: real fun. If you're gonna pick Iowa State, you gotta
Speaker 1: pick Perdue. I like Purdue, and I like the strides
Speaker 1: that they've taken. I like the big upset from last year.
Speaker 1: But if I'm telling somebody to get on board with
Speaker 1: the culture and the experience of being a fan of
Speaker 1: this team, you just picked Syracuse. I know. But right now,
Speaker 1: as it stands, right now, they are enjoyable. Purdue is
Speaker 1: Purdue beats Ohio State, and then they lose to some
Speaker 1: to three somebodies in a dumb way. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're a Paul Abdul team. I think it steps forward,
Speaker 1: one step back. I just do Okay, so agree to disagree.
Speaker 1: Conference USA. I'm going to stay North Texas. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good answer. I think it. Yeah. I do like
Speaker 1: the North Texas answer. We won't count. We won't count
Speaker 1: in real early with Charlotte, right now Mid American Conference
Speaker 1: or the MAC as it's known, root for this team.
Speaker 1: They're likable, they're fun, they're an enjoyable watch. You're not
Speaker 1: jumping on a bandwagon, you're not killing yourself. The turnaround
Speaker 1: that Eastern's had these past few years makes it interesting
Speaker 1: for me as well as Buffalo. Buffalo's gotten. I think
Speaker 1: Buffalo's my answer and that yes, they won their division
Speaker 1: last year and they've recruited well, but the fact that
Speaker 1: their coach comes over from what Wisconsin Whitewater and immediately
Speaker 1: transforms a super down program, and Buffalo's good answer. We're
Speaker 1: sticking with what is it Western New York? Yeah? Great? Uh.
Speaker 2: Boise State is my Mountain West team. I know it's cliche,
Speaker 2: but I just waxed poetic about how I love Boise
Speaker 2: State back in the days of Jared Zebranski, I have
Speaker 2: to go with the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Utah State would have been interesting with them keeping their coach,
Speaker 1: but going back to Gary Anderson, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Hawaii I like Rolovich, I'm fine with it. I think
Speaker 1: Fresno State and what Jeff Tedford has done. I've always
Speaker 1: liked the San Joaquin Valley Central California. Fresno's my pick.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the PAC twelve here, and I just
Speaker 1: I have I have a fondness for Pat Hill. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. PAC twelve.
Speaker 2: I feel like because I went Houston, mm hmm, and
Speaker 2: because we also talked about the alien quality of Syracuse,
Speaker 2: Washington State is a pretty strong selection here.
Speaker 1: Washington State's not bad. You have a ceiling, but you're
Speaker 1: your fun a fun watch. You are in every game
Speaker 1: you should be except perhaps the Apple Cup. Lazzo is
Speaker 1: a very good answer. I think Arizona State's also a
Speaker 1: good answer, buying into that Herm mentality, aren't you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because of Herm's that's I like
Speaker 1: that there is potential at Arizona State for winning the South,
Speaker 1: especially with some Ustula and USC down I like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I like everything about the Greater Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, that
Speaker 1: whole area. So if I'm picking one, it's probably Wazoo.
Speaker 1: And if after year one Mel Tucker has this team
Speaker 1: at seven and five, eight and four, I love Colorado.
Speaker 1: I just can't in late March twenty nineteen, but Colorado
Speaker 1: would be my answer. Probably who is decent Colorado fan.
Speaker 1: And finally, who is the most I guess not Finally,
Speaker 1: We've got one other one. Who is the most exciting team?
Speaker 1: If you're an alien in the SEC, in the SEC,
Speaker 1: get on board now, you go have a good time
Speaker 1: rooting for them. You're not jumping on a bandwagon. O. God,
Speaker 1: this is rough. I think it might be Florida. I'll
Speaker 1: take Mississippi State, all right with Joe Moorehead. I know
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Florida or Mississippi State. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you got the klanga klanga you have, you know
Speaker 1: Florida's not bad. But again, you're talking about a team
Speaker 1: that's won two national championships in the last you know,
Speaker 1: a little over a decade. Yeah, as it stands now,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind. God, it is weird to say it,
Speaker 1: but Mississippi State for me, with the creativity of Joe Moorehead,
Speaker 1: with the unique nature of fandom and Starkville, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: hate that situation. If they continue their trajectory of winning
Speaker 1: eight nine games, if they remain a comfortable team, I
Speaker 1: would love to be on board.
Speaker 2: I think the argument against Mississippi State, quite frankly, is
Speaker 2: that Joe moorehead may not be there five years from now.
Speaker 1: It's hard to keep top top guys, Whereas I think
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen will be at Florida it's totally reasonable. And
Speaker 1: finally the Sun Belt. Dan, Yeah, you're gonna go app State.
Speaker 1: Your boy left, You're gonna go app State. We had
Speaker 1: turnover turnover at app State. Then we have turnover at
Speaker 1: Troy with Neil Brown leaving. Sure, yeah, uh, I mean
Speaker 1: I think I like Eli Drinkwitz. I don't know a
Speaker 1: lot about him at app State. Georgia Southern is scratching
Speaker 1: an itch for me. I've liked Blake. The Blake Anderson
Speaker 1: thing at Arkansas State has also been a secretly pretty
Speaker 1: fun watch. Couldn't tell you I'm an expert on all
Speaker 1: things Blake Anderson. But the job he's done with the
Speaker 1: Red Wolves. Let's go Redman. Let's pickin Arkansas State, maybe
Speaker 1: Georgia Southern.
Speaker 2: All right, So we disagree on Houston or Memphis. We
Speaker 2: disagree on Boise or Fresno, on Wazoo or Colorado, although
Speaker 2: you kind of agreed with Wazoo, yeah, or Mississippi State,
Speaker 2: but otherwise we sort of agree on Qes Iowa State,
Speaker 2: Purdue North Texas, Buffalo in Arkansas State. Yes, correct, All right, Dan,
Speaker 2: before we go any further, what is your motto in life?
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Speaker 2: Do we want to go to this question from Ted
Speaker 2: at the very top of the dock?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can we go to Let's go to Ted momentarily.
Speaker 1: I want to ask Yeah, I'll ask you this question
Speaker 1: that I'll try my best answered as well from Patrick
Speaker 1: came to the inbox the Jersey Mics eat thoroughly box. Uh,
Speaker 1: That's the best I could do. Patrick wants to say, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast. Yeses, I had a question
Speaker 1: for your upcoming Q and A show. Several times I've
Speaker 1: heard Dan use the term quote infrastructure when describing either
Speaker 1: problems deep within a program or a new coaches from
Speaker 1: the ground up rebuild for a program or of a program.
Speaker 1: What does that term mean to you? Ty? What kinds
Speaker 1: of things are you referring to that might not be
Speaker 1: obvious to the casual fan. I gather it goes beyond
Speaker 1: player evaluation and on field coaching staff. What else is involved?
Speaker 1: What other personnel is it? Buildings, facilities, aspects of the program,
Speaker 1: like academic support. If you're talking about the bones of
Speaker 1: the program, what does that skeleton look like? Well, he
Speaker 1: hit on a number of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he covered a lot of things in his question.
Speaker 2: On a very fundamental level, to me, it is commitment
Speaker 2: to the program, and oftentimes commitment to a program translates
Speaker 2: to dollars definitely. What kind of financial commitment is an
Speaker 2: institution willing to put forth to better their football program.
Speaker 2: We've got very obvious examples like Texas. We've got very
Speaker 2: obvious examples like Georgia, like Clemson, schools that have very
Speaker 2: notably put forth a pretty large commitment to the football program.
Speaker 2: A lot of D one schools fall into that category.
Speaker 2: But it starts there, and oftentimes it trickles down into
Speaker 2: actual infrastructure things that we might talk about, such as facilities.
Speaker 2: Using the Clemson example, No.
Speaker 1: I think all that is right. I would say, if
Speaker 1: I had to boil it down to what what does
Speaker 1: infrastructure mean? To you, it is from the top down,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a vision, whether it's athletic director,
Speaker 1: whether it's president of the school, whether it's chancellor, all
Speaker 1: the way down, and then obviously to the head coach
Speaker 1: and how empowered the head coaches to both have a
Speaker 1: solid good vision, a winning vision, a sensical vision, and
Speaker 1: how well he is supported. Like you mentioned, in every
Speaker 1: facet of making players want to be there, want to
Speaker 1: commit to the team, whether it's academics, whether it's the
Speaker 1: coach is very clear to his assistance about what he expects,
Speaker 1: both as you know, as for player development, as for recruiting,
Speaker 1: as for academics, as for staying on this player about this,
Speaker 1: you know, as for hiring a strength coach and say
Speaker 1: this is what I want out of them, X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z. This is how we're going to discipline. This
Speaker 1: is how we are going to communicate with our players
Speaker 1: about what we're doing, why we're doing it, This is
Speaker 1: how we're going to meet. This is when we're going
Speaker 1: to meet. This is how we're going to practice. This
Speaker 1: is why we're practicing this way. You know, this is
Speaker 1: you know our schedule on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, what is
Speaker 1: what is the actual organization. Does everybody understand what is
Speaker 1: expected of them and how well is that supplied for
Speaker 1: the players, whether it's nutrition, academics, facilities, whatever, it's a
Speaker 1: commitment to the vision. And you know, when we had
Speaker 1: Andy Staples on to talk about I think Dabosweeney. We
Speaker 1: talked about Dabosweeny a while back and whether or not
Speaker 1: he was buying into this, and I was like, why
Speaker 1: don't coaches leave Clemson. We don't leave Clemson because they
Speaker 1: have a good life, They get paid, their families are
Speaker 1: welcomed at like Family Night. Not to talk about how
Speaker 1: cool Clemson is once again, but there is a clear
Speaker 1: infrastructure where everybody understands what the program is and is
Speaker 1: trying to do. And when you look at programs that
Speaker 1: lose a lot, it can be money, it can be
Speaker 1: lack of vision, it can be lack of communication, and
Speaker 1: it can be lack of support for all of the above,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes it is and so it's bad hiring, it
Speaker 1: is bad communication, and it is trying to cut corners
Speaker 1: because of Okay, it's going to cost too much or
Speaker 1: you know, something went wrong along the chain. And if
Speaker 1: a pro has that solid chain and it's become harder
Speaker 1: and harder to because there is such a crazy arms
Speaker 1: race with everything. Then they are most likely going to
Speaker 1: be not only a consistent Bowl team, but they're going
Speaker 1: to beat more good teams than not. And to me,
Speaker 1: that is what infrastructure is. And I will take at
Speaker 1: least a four on this infrastructure ap test.
Speaker 2: I would echo your sentiment around vision. The budget can
Speaker 2: buy you the tools that you need to put together
Speaker 2: a successful program, you need the vision to tie it
Speaker 2: all together. Case in point, Texas has a huge budget,
Speaker 2: you could argue they haven't had that vision or at
Speaker 2: least the vision wasn't successful.
Speaker 1: Right, A good vision, A good vision.
Speaker 2: I would also argue that Tom Herman's got them going
Speaker 2: in a good direction, that we're going to start sending
Speaker 2: a better return on that investment in the years to come.
Speaker 2: But you can trast a school like a Texas with
Speaker 2: a school like in Ohio State, with a school like
Speaker 2: a Clemson where clearly the commitment is there and the
Speaker 2: vision is also there or has been there leading that
Speaker 2: program to new heights, and.
Speaker 1: You can't talk about Tom Herman tearing down and restarting
Speaker 1: the infrastructure at Texas without a clip of him struggling
Speaker 1: with a sledgehammer. That's right, that's right. Set infrastructure literally
Speaker 1: in the locker room. So very good question. There is
Speaker 1: that commitment. Yeah, next, we have Ted right.
Speaker 2: Ted says, you guys often answer questions from the same
Speaker 2: folks I assume unknowingly. For instance, this week, the Audible
Speaker 2: podcast and podcast Ain't Played Nobody both addressed a question
Speaker 2: on Tennessee and Nebraska being sleeping giants. In past episodes,
Speaker 2: the Solid Verbal and podcast Ain't Played Nobody both answered
Speaker 2: questions from regular submitters, which leads me to ask, do
Speaker 2: you not have the time or ability to listen to
Speaker 2: each other's podcasts despite knowing each other and being friendly?
Speaker 2: From what I observe, my question, either for here or
Speaker 2: on your respective shows, is do you listen to other
Speaker 2: podcasts college football podcasts? And if so, even if it
Speaker 2: is taboo to say in fear that you drive away listeners?
Speaker 1: Which one.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to unpack here. I would also
Speaker 2: add that Ted did not just send this email to us,
Speaker 2: He also addressed it to our friends over at podcasting
Speaker 2: and played Nobody as well as the Audible Dan.
Speaker 1: So a lot here. Where do you want to start with? Honesty, tie,
Speaker 1: I guess I have, and I still do sometimes, but
Speaker 1: I do far less than I used to. And it's
Speaker 1: not I like a lot like Bill c and Godfree
Speaker 1: and Stu and Bruce Chip Patterson does a wonderful podcast
Speaker 1: for CBS. My problem is one, I have less time.
Speaker 1: Two I get to listen to my favorite college football
Speaker 1: podcasts with better audio than anybody else. And that's this
Speaker 1: one and three. I'm a comedy nerd as an unfunny person,
Speaker 1: I say this, and I read a lot of interviews
Speaker 1: with comedians and comedic actors and writers and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and there's something that a lot of them say that
Speaker 1: they don't watch a lot of comedies. They really like
Speaker 1: dramas or thrillers or horror movies or whatever because they
Speaker 1: don't want to feel bad about their own show. They
Speaker 1: don't want jokes, you know, through osmosis or whatever creeping
Speaker 1: into their brain. And I find myself agreeing that I
Speaker 1: don't want Godfrey's opinion about something or Bruce's opinion about
Speaker 1: something changing how I feel about something organically, because he
Speaker 1: planted a seed, one of them planted a seed in me.
Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of use in other college
Speaker 1: football podcasts for whatever you're into about college football, But
Speaker 1: I just like listening to other things. College football is
Speaker 1: how I spend so much of my time professionally that
Speaker 1: I like going in a complete different direction. I love
Speaker 1: NBA podcasts. I will recommend Open Floor with our friends
Speaker 1: Ben Golliver and Andrew Sharp until I'm blue in the face.
Speaker 1: But for college football, I just that's not where I
Speaker 1: go generally podcast wise. I'm with you. I like the
Speaker 1: solid verbal. I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I too, prefer the solid verbal. I dabble with other shows,
Speaker 2: and not just not just the two that are on
Speaker 2: this list. I like to dabble with college football shows
Speaker 2: just to see what people are doing.
Speaker 1: Do you like sending me snarky text messages about their
Speaker 1: audio quality? Sometimes?
Speaker 2: I do that sometimes sometimes, But I do like to dabble,
Speaker 2: and I like to see what other people are doing,
Speaker 2: just from a raw idea standpoint. Sure, I always feel,
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, like I don't have the kind
Speaker 2: of time that I need to be fully up to
Speaker 2: speed with the information the way others are. And that's
Speaker 2: because I have the mysterious day job. Right, you just
Speaker 2: run out of time. If I'm listening to other shows.
Speaker 2: It is generally not about college football, and it is
Speaker 2: generally not even about sports.
Speaker 1: Now, before you go on, do you want to play
Speaker 1: the solid verbal after hours music? So anybody who's done
Speaker 1: who only wants to hear.
Speaker 2: That, we can play it the after hours music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're back there you go, yeah, no, yeah, you
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Speaker 1: Yeah, take take off. Thanks for the download, Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: We treasure and appreciate you. Thank you. Give me your
Speaker 1: favorite space show. How's Neil de grass Tyson's.
Speaker 2: Neil de grass Tyson. He's got a huge podcast, right,
Speaker 2: that has a huge podcast. Yeah, I listened to that
Speaker 2: one for a while.
Speaker 1: That was sort of my go to.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not even space based shows. It's just anything
Speaker 2: that pertains to outer space.
Speaker 1: I'll listen to. So what are you most excited space
Speaker 1: wise when a new episode goes up?
Speaker 2: If you could give me anything on space travel, if
Speaker 2: you could give me anything on like aliens, if you
Speaker 2: can give me anything in that vein, I'll pump it
Speaker 2: right into the vein.
Speaker 1: Black holes, wormholes, Let's do it, anti matter, let's do it. Okay, fair,
Speaker 1: I like Malcolm Gladwell's podcast A good deal Revision's History. Yeah,
Speaker 1: think it does a good job with that. I like listen.
Speaker 1: I don't love media criticism, and I try to stay
Speaker 1: away from a lot of media naval gazing. But our
Speaker 1: pal Jimmy Traina does a nice job at sh Jimmy Sure, Sure.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the startup podcast Gimblet who now they're
Speaker 1: all wearing gold chains. Ray podcast Money I like. I
Speaker 1: found I find podcasts on YouTube more than I ever did.
Speaker 1: There's a there's like a group of comedians in LA
Speaker 1: and I don't watch them all that much, but I
Speaker 1: find Tom Sagora to be really funny, and so I
Speaker 1: found his podcasts Your Mom's House, that he does with
Speaker 1: his wife, Chris Positski. They're both comedians. They're great when
Speaker 1: if chemistry is the secret sauce a married couple, if
Speaker 1: they can pull it off, is great. So I really
Speaker 1: like Your Mom's House. It's not safe for work, and
Speaker 1: they go into I don't agree with everything, they go
Speaker 1: into places that are just wonderful. Who else do I
Speaker 1: like in terms of podcasts?
Speaker 2: I like, Yeah, obviously my brother, my brother and me,
Speaker 2: we've talked about them. Love my Bam bam yep, until
Speaker 2: we're you know, blue in the face. We've talked about them, YEA.
Speaker 2: Love to go to a live show if they ever
Speaker 2: come up in the world. Ben, I started listening to
Speaker 2: fantasy baseball podcasts because it's that time of year again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you in a league?
Speaker 2: I'm in many, many leagues, Dan, I'm in three leagues.
Speaker 2: It's too many. I shouldn't be in three leagues.
Speaker 1: What's the best fantasy baseball podcast? The best one that
Speaker 1: I found is on CBS Sports. Who does it? Adam
Speaker 1: Aser and some of the other guys that write for CBS.
Speaker 1: How long is is it daily?
Speaker 2: I think it's daily. I haven't listened long enough to know.
Speaker 2: But it's questionable audio quality at times, but really good information,
Speaker 2: which is really the only time I'm willing to make
Speaker 2: that trade off. But right, good chemistry, great information. That
Speaker 2: has sort of been my go to on the fantasy side.
Speaker 1: Have you listened to Business Wars on occasion? It's good,
Speaker 1: it's good boundary network does it? Business Wars highly recommend
Speaker 1: they just like, Hey, it's Monster Energy versus Red Bull.
Speaker 1: Did you listen to did you listen to Doctor Death?
Speaker 1: Speaking of wondery. I have not, but I've heard wonderful things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I listened to that A good job. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're the same network. They do Dirty John as well. Right, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: listen to that one too, good stuff. That's uh Jody
Speaker 1: with And I is currently listening to the Farrah Noose. Okay,
Speaker 1: the what's her name Elizabeth Holmes? Yeah, yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: watched the HBO documentary about Elizabeth Holmes and Therapnose yet,
Speaker 1: but I've listened to the podcast, and I watched the
Speaker 1: ABC like twenty twenty special. Yeah it rules. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: so good, this whole thing. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: appreciate a good fraud story. Oh is it good?
Speaker 2: It's the fire Festival of Technology essentially.
Speaker 1: Indeed it is ty, Indeed it is. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think if there's any other You mentioned what Kate likes
Speaker 1: the was it Dax Shepherd's Shack Shepherd Armchair Expert. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you said. I haven't listened yet, but no,
Speaker 1: apparently it's good. So yeah, those are some All right, Well,
Speaker 1: write in give us suggestions. Let's go to give suggestions.
Speaker 1: We're open to everything.
Speaker 2: Jonathan I love this question from Jonathan. Let's imagine you
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to guarantee your team a spot in
Speaker 2: the college football playoff next season.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I know where we're going.
Speaker 2: But in order to do so, you have to choose
Speaker 2: between one of the below options. One with no control
Speaker 2: or advanced notice on your end. One day each month,
Speaker 2: you will go through an entire day with a wedgie.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, a wedgie that is visible to all and
Speaker 2: cannot be picked or adjusted, So.
Speaker 1: Your underwear is coming out of your pants. Everybody sees
Speaker 1: it and like in an aggressive and dramatic way, and
Speaker 1: you can do nothing to change it.
Speaker 2: Or perhaps you're at your mysterious day job and it's
Speaker 2: such a weggie that you can kind of see it
Speaker 2: from the outside, not just the underpants, but maybe your
Speaker 2: khaki's just.
Speaker 1: Wedged up in there. Or two.
Speaker 2: One day during the year, you will be victim of
Speaker 2: a public melvin aka atomic weggie. It can be at
Speaker 2: any moment of the day, and Andy's setting, a job interview,
Speaker 2: a church service, etc. And again you have no advanced notice.
Speaker 2: Which do you choose?
Speaker 1: Dan to me, this is sort of a no brainer.
Speaker 1: Is an atomic wedgie still a thing without wearing your
Speaker 1: traditional boxer shorts or tidy whities. Can it be still
Speaker 1: a thing with boxer briefs the way they're structured. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm old and washed. I believe it could be.
Speaker 1: It probably is.
Speaker 2: I was hard a time and layout distinguishing between just
Speaker 2: a regular wedgie and an atomic.
Speaker 1: Atomic goes olders are ahead, you pull it up, way
Speaker 1: way up. You're stretching the bands to sort of give
Speaker 1: yourself or give not yourself but the other person, like
Speaker 1: a Cornholio with said underpants.
Speaker 2: I think i'd go atomic weggie. I think you have
Speaker 2: to go atomic weggie one day during the year. It
Speaker 2: just says one day day pay versus one day each
Speaker 2: month where you have to go through a full day,
Speaker 2: Like that's something the CIA does to get information out
Speaker 2: of people. Well, I mean we've both had our teams
Speaker 2: in the playoff, right, sure, so this is not you
Speaker 2: as a North Carolina State fan me as a cal fan,
Speaker 2: where like it really hasn't been close and saying, oh man,
Speaker 2: what I would do for me the playoff game sort
Speaker 2: of was the atomic weggie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a pretty clear concept. I take the
Speaker 1: one day and I'll I mean, it's just it's a day,
Speaker 1: it's more violent. But here's the other thing. I am
Speaker 1: never in a play. So I work for a number
Speaker 1: of companies now, but I'm never really in a place
Speaker 1: where I would be embarrassed about much. I'm either working
Speaker 1: for my apartment or I now work at an office,
Speaker 1: but it's like a coworking space type of office. And
Speaker 1: if you were to say, hey, do you know anybody?
Speaker 1: What are their names? I would tell you Nope, and
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you. So the embarrassment factor for me is
Speaker 1: pretty low, So I would take the one day that's wild.
Speaker 1: I would probably not show up the next day, and
Speaker 1: the day after that we're like, are you the maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe I don't remember, and that would be that. See.
Speaker 2: But once you get to our ripe old age, Dan, right,
Speaker 2: the wedgie stops being a funny thing. Like if somebody
Speaker 2: came and pulled my underwear up to my shoulders unannounced. Iff, Yeah,
Speaker 2: some guys with trench coats got out of a van
Speaker 2: right and just did this to me. In most places
Speaker 2: that I think i'd find myself, people will be alarmed
Speaker 2: by that. I wouldn't even need to feel embarrassed. People
Speaker 2: would feel sorry for me.
Speaker 1: Remember the time in I mean, we're roughly the same
Speaker 1: age in popular TV shows and cartoons where pantsing was
Speaker 1: a thing, and not only would it be a pantsing,
Speaker 1: it would reveal hilarious heart boxer shorts. Yeah that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. That was the thing, you know, across many shows.
Speaker 1: So let's let's do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Weggie versus pantsing, which is worse.
Speaker 1: It's definitely Weggie. There's no pain in pantsing. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you pulled out my pants and yep, it considerable that
Speaker 1: I'm wearing black boxer briefs all fact. Well, you're saying
Speaker 1: Weggi's worse. Yeah, but I mean, as try to answer
Speaker 1: this question if you're fourteen. Weggie versus the feared Tapper.
Speaker 2: Tapper's rough the aka the Bangkok. I went probably two
Speaker 2: years of my adolescent life in constant fear of the Tapper.
Speaker 1: What one specific person doing it or that just became
Speaker 1: the culture. It was just I was just the culture. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: infrastructure at Northampton High School. Yeah, a lot to be control. Nope, zero,
Speaker 1: what else do we got here?
Speaker 2: Tapper versus falling asleep and having someone drow in your face?
Speaker 1: Uh, oh man. In high school, middle school, probably tappers
Speaker 1: over quickly, you don't. If you're not watching that off,
Speaker 1: you're you might be known as like, hey, you have
Speaker 1: the butt cheek, but your sharpy butt cheek guy right
Speaker 1: for like three straight years. So yeah, probably tapper tapper
Speaker 1: versus dead leg Oh god, I got so many dead
Speaker 1: legs in high school. Yeah, I know, people are just
Speaker 1: shocked to hear this. That was the big thing at
Speaker 1: my school. It was dead legs and dead arms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was the freaking worst. Where do you want
Speaker 1: to go next? All right? I asked people to ask
Speaker 1: us about haircuts. How much you pay for your haircut
Speaker 1: dollars plus tip? Okay, I pay thirty one probably, I
Speaker 1: mean you adjust for New York. But how much would
Speaker 1: you how much do you tip on twenty not twenty percent?
Speaker 1: So you're thrown in four bucks? Usually? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do five, six, seven, depending on how happy I am
Speaker 1: with it. I think that's pretty nice. Where's the question
Speaker 1: about timing a haircut? Oh? Okay? Yeah, so the question
Speaker 1: was what is the timing like of a haircut? Like,
Speaker 1: let's say you have a graduation, you have a wedding,
Speaker 1: you have some you're going on TV. You're appearing on
Speaker 1: camera for whatever reason you are, you know, going on
Speaker 1: a first date that you know about a week or
Speaker 1: two ahead, and you know you need a haircut and
Speaker 1: you want to look good. What how far in advanced
Speaker 1: you get that haircut that your hair looks optimal to
Speaker 1: U to I guess both look great. Recover from a
Speaker 1: bad haircut or a bad part of your haircut. You
Speaker 1: need to have that recovery built in. Look like your
Speaker 1: truest self. Because I should have done. I did a
Speaker 1: week before my wedding, and I should it done.
Speaker 2: Toot gotta go a week and a half. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think the half week and a half for me is
Speaker 2: right in the sweet spot. But this, by the way,
Speaker 2: this might be my favorite question we received all years.
Speaker 1: So far from Todd. What's the worst haircut you've received
Speaker 1: When I was younger? I had When I was younger,
Speaker 1: I had a bowl cut that I was very proud of.
Speaker 1: Was it and from an actual hair cuttery or was
Speaker 1: it from a family member? No, No, it was from
Speaker 1: a licensed haircutter person. Where was it given?
Speaker 2: It was given at the old place he used to
Speaker 2: go to get my haircut.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was really hoping you like was good.
Speaker 2: But here to your point, The worst haircut I got
Speaker 2: was when I first started going to this place. It
Speaker 2: was going to a new place after the old woman
Speaker 2: who cut my hair retired from cutting hair. Yep, And
Speaker 2: I walked into this joint and I had a bowl
Speaker 2: cut I was very proud.
Speaker 1: Of mm hmmm. And she proceeded to cut it off
Speaker 1: and I was crestfallen. Dan, have you ever gotten a
Speaker 1: haircut that was so bad where you look at it
Speaker 1: and you're like, just buzz it all. I've never had that.
Speaker 1: I've never that was your hair.
Speaker 2: No, but that was probably the closest I've ever been.
Speaker 1: I've done that my worst haircut. When I moved to
Speaker 1: New York. I made the mistake of going to a
Speaker 1: place that it's just like, oh, it has good YELP reviews. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the person cutting my hair, I could not communicate
Speaker 1: with them in the way that I wanted to about
Speaker 1: what I wanted, and I ended up with a pretty significant,
Speaker 1: like high top fade. It was. It was it was
Speaker 1: bad enough that, like, you never really noticed when somebody
Speaker 1: gets a bad haircut, unless it's a really bad haircut,
Speaker 1: Unless it's noticeably and dramatically different than a person's normal look.
Speaker 1: And I remember I went to like a backyard cookout,
Speaker 1: barbecue whatever. I don't care about the nomenclature. And my
Speaker 1: friend Lindsey, who by the way, tied it to the
Speaker 1: solid verbal, did the voice for our first Was it
Speaker 1: the fantasy things? Who did? It? Wasn't fantasy things? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well I forget what it was. Yeah, it was fantasy thing,
Speaker 2: I forget, but she did think it was maybe.
Speaker 1: She looked at me, and I didn't think. I thought
Speaker 1: I looked different, but not dramatically different. And she looked
Speaker 1: at me and she started laughing hysterically, and she said,
Speaker 1: who did you hurt to have this done to you?
Speaker 1: Who held you down against your will and tortured your scalp?
Speaker 1: It was really bad. It was very bad. I wore
Speaker 1: hats for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, week and a half, though you get what you
Speaker 2: paid half week and half. Yeah, okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Go to this one. Well we can ask me and
Speaker 1: Sean asked a question like that because we were talking
Speaker 1: about fantasy things. Yeah, please name your top five solid
Speaker 1: verbal episodes. Let's pat ourselves on the back. What are
Speaker 1: you most proud of? Either recently or in the history
Speaker 1: the show I am very proud of. I can't rank
Speaker 1: them from one to but the history of the solid
Speaker 1: verbal time go back in the history of the solid verbal.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite the show where we talked about the history.
Speaker 1: I love that episode. It was fun. It was a
Speaker 1: fun one.
Speaker 2: I love that episode history of I really enjoyed the
Speaker 2: Live Fantasy Things show that we did in Chicago.
Speaker 1: That was wonderful. Shout out Nate Stanley. Yeah, this past August.
Speaker 1: That was a good one for me.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed speaking of like the serial and s
Speaker 2: Town mold of podcasting. I really enjoyed the recruiting show
Speaker 2: that we.
Speaker 1: Did, Yes, absolutely with Lindsay Theory and Brendan Huffman. We
Speaker 1: had a dad of a Blue Chipper on. Yeah. Really
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing that show. But Elliott was on that. Yep,
Speaker 1: what else? I love the verbies from Radio City Musical. Oh,
Speaker 1: that was so good. I thought that was a revelation.
Speaker 2: That's right, that was our first pray into the like
Speaker 2: world of post production.
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought that was a tremendous show. I thought
Speaker 1: the Emo Show with Bill Barnwell was exceptionally fun. My
Speaker 1: favorite shows are the ones that aren't necessarily themed. But
Speaker 1: sometimes we will randomly just hit a groove with a
Speaker 1: show in like a week seven recap show or a
Speaker 1: week eleven preview show where I catch you shot out
Speaker 1: of a cannon. I feel good and we are just
Speaker 1: Stockton and stocked in. We're just we're just passing the
Speaker 1: ball back and forth and nobody's really taking good shots,
Speaker 1: but we are. We're running the two man, we even
Speaker 1: a fun way. Those are generally my favorites, but in
Speaker 1: terms of theme shows, those are up. I love the
Speaker 1: Secret Garbage Show. Yeah, yeah, right. The Secret Garbage Show
Speaker 1: with a secret garbage bracket was quite fun. I remember
Speaker 1: exactly where I was when we recorded it, which is
Speaker 1: a good sign. So we are going to we have
Speaker 1: a lot of time before the season start, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing more fun shows. I thought last year's
Speaker 1: show so last year. I believe it was last year
Speaker 1: where I did it solo, and believe me, it was
Speaker 1: not my favorite show because of me, one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: But when we had Chrispy Brown on to talk about
Speaker 1: communication in terms of recent shows, like where you really
Speaker 1: got nerdy information, that was that was one of my
Speaker 1: favorites to just be involved and not to actually host.
Speaker 2: All right, let's close it out with this one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: unless you've got a bunch more you want to get
Speaker 2: to this one.
Speaker 1: I got a bunchy. We'll do it quickly.
Speaker 2: Let me close out my portion of this with this question.
Speaker 2: Got any favorite moments from the old NCAA video game series?
Speaker 2: A favorite game you played? Building a Bama crushing powerhouse
Speaker 2: out of a lollly G five team, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I had a situation. I found a glitch back in
Speaker 2: the day. Yeah, I was in college. I want to
Speaker 2: say it was my sophomore or junior year, and I
Speaker 2: did the thing that I'm sure a lot of guys
Speaker 2: did in college. We started a group dynasty. Everyone picked
Speaker 2: their team. You would trade off and on with the
Speaker 2: controller recruiting your guys, handed off to someone else, and
Speaker 2: move move on. Sometimes you'd be up till three am.
Speaker 1: You know how it is.
Speaker 2: Back in the day, Dan, I picked Arizona State, huh,
Speaker 2: because I think there was a limit on the number
Speaker 2: of stars your program could have. Maybe they were like
Speaker 2: a three star, two star at the time. I don't remember,
Speaker 2: but I found a glitch I didn't like most of
Speaker 2: my players. You're a big glitch finder, that's low key
Speaker 2: what defines you. You're about finding life's glitches and exploit
Speaker 2: I sort of am yeah now that you mention it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I found a glitch and I didn't mean to. But
Speaker 2: the glitch was that if you cut too many players,
Speaker 2: you could sort of implode a program m. I didn't
Speaker 2: like most of my team, and I cut more than
Speaker 2: I had to. What was the number fifty four or
Speaker 2: fifty five you had to.
Speaker 1: Get down to?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took my team all the way down to
Speaker 2: about thirty six.
Speaker 1: Oh god. And I never really recovered from that, dan
Speaker 1: uh huh.
Speaker 2: Never really recovered from that, And I found myself in
Speaker 2: a situation where I had essentially broken the game. That
Speaker 2: to me was probably my favorite moment.
Speaker 1: Not because of Donkey Kong killscreen.
Speaker 2: Exactly, not because I had any great accomplishment right on
Speaker 2: the field, but because I had done something that nobody
Speaker 2: else there could have ever envisioned, and I literally broke
Speaker 2: the team.
Speaker 1: The only real like, I don't have any fond memories
Speaker 1: about playing it by myself or playing it online against people.
Speaker 1: It's fine. It's fun in college with the original tie
Speaker 1: shout out Mike, who was my co host on the
Speaker 1: college radio show Morning Wood at the University of Oregon.
Speaker 1: We would play all the time, and he liked after
Speaker 1: he would intercept a ball, he would say interception special, like,
Speaker 1: you know, he had a secret play that couldn't help
Speaker 1: but have an interception as a result of the play.
Speaker 1: And I caught onto it, and it was like he
Speaker 1: just would call it quarters coverage or something like that.
Speaker 1: He would basically call whatever had the most colorful circles
Speaker 1: in the defensive backfield. Sure, and I would just run
Speaker 1: down his throat and then he effectively stopped saying interception
Speaker 1: special after saying it for like a year, and it
Speaker 1: angered him to such a crazy degree. Not a huge,
Speaker 1: huge football fan, but he thought he had stumbled upon
Speaker 1: his own personal glitch, that's right, And then I just
Speaker 1: murdered him. The other thing is I would it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, so it would have been NCAA
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, So the year is two thousand
Speaker 1: and three. It was a simpler time, ty us. He
Speaker 1: was unbeatable. And if you would call like a wide
Speaker 1: receiver screen followed up by neither a slant or like
Speaker 1: a go route with not Mike Williams, but Ang Williams.
Speaker 1: He was just unbeatable. And that was again against Mike
Speaker 1: the non interception special and it just tortured him. It
Speaker 1: was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Back in about maybe two thousand and six, two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, I had a group dynasty and online dynasty
Speaker 2: type of setup and my team I think was Penn
Speaker 2: State at the time, playing with about six or seven
Speaker 2: other guys mm hmm. I recruited Leon Johnson, a dual
Speaker 2: threat quarterback class was a tank, a t bow build. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was virtually unstoppable. That that singular moment that
Speaker 2: recruit changed the history of my program forever. Leon Johnson.
Speaker 2: You still remember his face. I still remember his fake
Speaker 2: name to this day.
Speaker 1: What was the name of it was, Jerem It was
Speaker 1: Jeremy Liggins. Ask you remember Jeremy Liggins. I do. He
Speaker 1: was pushing three three bills and playing quarterback and I
Speaker 1: think he was a JC and that went to Ole Miss. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you had the proto Jeremy Lincolns. I did you
Speaker 1: had proto Jeremy.
Speaker 2: I still remember his name and think about him fondly.
Speaker 1: Have you ever played in a video game tournament. No really,
Speaker 1: that's a shocking answer. Not an official tournament. But you've
Speaker 1: never gone to like an arcade or a baseball card store,
Speaker 1: or never have I have? I thought I was amazing
Speaker 1: at Techmo super Bowl. I just beat up the computer
Speaker 1: all day, every day, beat up my brothers all day.
Speaker 1: Every day I went to It was like a comic
Speaker 1: card store. They set up a bunch of TVs just
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood, just in the San Fernando Valley, and
Speaker 1: played in a Techmo super Bowl tournament. They wiped the
Speaker 1: floor with me. I was the mop. I got killed
Speaker 1: so thoroughly every time there was like a loser's bracket. Nope,
Speaker 1: gone that that that humbled me. Tie. Also played in
Speaker 1: a Magic the Gathering tournament there, okay, sure how about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: also didn't fare super well. Okay, but you know what
Speaker 1: you gotta try. You gotta you know, shoot or shoot.
Speaker 1: That's what I did. Let's go rapid fire. You got like, okay,
Speaker 1: soliverbal after hours, I got a few of these, Okay,
Speaker 1: this one I really liked. Well, hold on, I got
Speaker 1: a couple. Let's rapid fire. We got one about snaps
Speaker 1: versus buttons for baby like onesies and outfits. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take you one step further. Magnets. They're a thing.
Speaker 1: They have magnetic baby onesies where you just basically get
Speaker 1: the two sides of the top close and they just snapshot. Eventually,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to teach the solid baby how to
Speaker 1: button up and snap up shirt or whatever. Right but
Speaker 1: right now it's magic. What is them? Random slash best
Speaker 1: slash TV show movie whatever? Dan has watched while up
Speaker 1: at odd hours with the new baby. I watch a
Speaker 1: lot of YouTube on my TV. I watch food shows.
Speaker 1: Munchies does a really good job. Bonappetite does a great job.
Speaker 1: There's a show called It's Alive with Brad Leoni. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: Binging with Babbish, he does a great job. I watch
Speaker 1: food shows the most random though. Those all food shows.
Speaker 1: Food video that seems obvious for me to answer with,
Speaker 1: and just everybody knows that exists. I had a stretch
Speaker 1: where I was up pretty consistently at like three four am,
Speaker 1: feeding and soothing whatever, and I stumbled on, conservatively it's
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, it might be an hour
Speaker 1: forty a. Essentially, it's a documentary that do you know
Speaker 1: what Ernie Ball is. No, I have no idea. Ernie
Speaker 1: Ball is a company that makes guitar strings. Okay, Ernie
Speaker 1: Ball did it documentary, and I assume they've done a
Speaker 1: bunch of these with a bunch of different guitar players
Speaker 1: and musicians and stuff. They did it documentary with and
Speaker 1: about and it's all first person. So he participated with
Speaker 1: Tom DeLong Blink onin eighty two, and this is relatively recently,
Speaker 1: long after he left Blink, and it was about the
Speaker 1: entire Blink history with photos and videos and everything like
Speaker 1: that and stories and then talking about the breakup essentially,
Speaker 1: I know Blink still exists with Matt Skiba, but it
Speaker 1: got pretty heavy and then he went into like his
Speaker 1: new gig, the new company he started basically trying to
Speaker 1: uncover CIA secrets about aliens and goes completely off off kilter.
Speaker 1: And this was over the course of whatever it is,
Speaker 1: four or five six feedings where I'm just nerding out
Speaker 1: watching a Tom DeLong documentary on YouTube. Those are the
Speaker 1: depths that you will go to just like play with
Speaker 1: your brain just enough to stay awake. But also, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the bottle cool. So I think that's
Speaker 1: the most random thing. I also watch a lot of photography,
Speaker 1: like really nerdy photography videos like Jody with and I
Speaker 1: will walk into the room and I'm watching a light
Speaker 1: room tutorial on our TV about how to play with
Speaker 1: the tone curve. I know what you're thinking. It's really
Speaker 1: good that you found somebody to marry and deal with
Speaker 1: your dumbness. So that's probably. In terms of shows, sex
Speaker 1: Education on Netflix, really really good British Jillian Anderson, sort
Speaker 1: of John Hughes Ish Dating Around also on Netflix. And
Speaker 1: I also enjoyed the Missus Maisle Show. I was good.
Speaker 1: Great baking show over here. Oh, great British bake off
Speaker 1: baking show, wonderful. All right, give me one more one
Speaker 1: one or two more goes. Yes, do a three hour show.
Speaker 1: Let's Joe Rogan this um okay. Somebody asked about the
Speaker 1: souved movement. I know you're pro I'm in. Somebody asked
Speaker 1: us about cast iron ver stainless steel. I know you're
Speaker 1: you're all in on that, that beautiful seer of cast iron.
Speaker 1: All in on cast iron. Yeah, let's finish here. We
Speaker 1: got a number of good questions. Third dates. I don't
Speaker 1: think we've quite gotten to. Just ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: You'll get to a third date. Don't be creepy. You'll
Speaker 1: get to a third date, and don't expect anything on
Speaker 1: any date. Just let the game come to you, like
Speaker 1: a good game manager, let the game come to you.
Speaker 1: You just got to read, read, and react. The last
Speaker 1: question comes to us from I think is a Gary.
Speaker 1: No excuse me, Justin Gary did ask a question about
Speaker 1: limited space child rearing in big cities. It's rough. Go
Speaker 1: outside as often as you can. That's my answer to Gear.
Speaker 1: Justin says, I'm diabetic, so my choices for picking out
Speaker 1: on Saturdays are generally limited, which means carbohydrates. I assume sugars, breads,
Speaker 1: stuff like that, which are key to a lot of
Speaker 1: sauces and vehicles. Wings, however, are always available and can
Speaker 1: fit in my diet. What do you think are the
Speaker 1: best rubs or sauces to add to wings? I tend
Speaker 1: to gravitate to jerk glazes or sauces for mine. Love
Speaker 1: a good jerk. Yeah, that's what the phrasing I understand.
Speaker 2: I'm into the rubs, man, rubbin and jerkin. That's right,
Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about here. What is doing the
Speaker 2: craft show.
Speaker 1: What is your what is your your seasoning choice?
Speaker 2: First and foremost, with wings, you gotta go with the flats.
Speaker 2: You got it out of the flats. Now, I didn't
Speaker 2: know until last summer that I.
Speaker 1: Could do this. Yeah, this is all pretty new to
Speaker 1: me as well.
Speaker 2: And I think it's only the places that are, you know,
Speaker 2: a little bit more popular with the wing eating crowd, right,
Speaker 2: that know how to handle this. But if you go
Speaker 2: and ask for the flats as opposed to the trum,
Speaker 2: you go to a butcher, you go to no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm talking, I go to the restaurant in order flats.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but what about But I'm saying, if you
Speaker 2: prefer the rub, what is the rub that you like?
Speaker 1: The rub? So, first and foremost you need the flats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true surface area. But secondly, I prefer a good
Speaker 1: old bay rub. Ooh, I like that answer. Prefer good
Speaker 1: old bay rub, glery salt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of an old bay rub doesn't
Speaker 2: quite have the messy quality that you get from any
Speaker 2: of the sauces, but also gives you enough of that kick,
Speaker 2: You get enough of that crispiness that comes with the
Speaker 2: wing if it's been done correctly. For me, it's the
Speaker 2: flats with the combination of an old bay rub Dan.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think it's a great answer. You can go
Speaker 1: Asian without the honey or brown sugar element and do
Speaker 1: like a soy garlic ginger sort of. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you marinade, but you know, I think you can
Speaker 1: make a sauce out of that if you look that up.
Speaker 1: Lemon pepper a classic. I don't know if you've watched
Speaker 1: Atlanta at all. I know about like JR Crickets, the
Speaker 1: famous wing place in Atlanta. Yep, but there's lemon pepper
Speaker 1: and there's lemon pepper wet. I'm, you know, the worst
Speaker 1: person to be the one describing it and talking about it.
Speaker 1: But lemon pepper is delicious as a combination as a rub.
Speaker 1: And you can add lemon pepper seasoning to like a
Speaker 1: buffalo sauce. That adds a nice little twist. I would say,
Speaker 1: aside from wings specifically, if you're looking for ways to
Speaker 1: eat well in terms of eat like deliciously on game day,
Speaker 1: just throw everything that you can on a grill on
Speaker 1: a grill. I would love I wouldn't love to have
Speaker 1: diabetes let's be clear. But to have an excuse me
Speaker 1: like I have to eat as much actual real food
Speaker 1: as possible. If I can just grill a bunch of
Speaker 1: giant green onions and chicken and carnea soada and throw
Speaker 1: tortillas on there and throw onions on there and just
Speaker 1: really get good at grilled Mexican food whatever. And I
Speaker 1: believe corn tortillas are gluten free and they don't have
Speaker 1: carbohydrates so minute, so that's a good option there. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just anything you can throw on a grill that,
Speaker 1: you know, an excuse to pile up vegetables and meat
Speaker 1: is not the worst thing in the world. There you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, covered a lot of ground here today, Daniel,
Speaker 2: Yes it is though. That's real good squarely the off season.
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Speaker 2: They've got some exciting conversations that go on around the
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Speaker 2: that out if you're a fan.
Speaker 1: Uh, hopefully you got in on the bracket pool. M hmm.
Speaker 1: If you did, we will be.
Speaker 2: Watching like a hawk to see who comes in firster,
Speaker 2: maybe second, third, I don't know. We want to give
Speaker 2: some shirts away, Dan, this is the way this works.
Speaker 2: But we did get a great response to that. Will
Speaker 2: be following along with your Oregon Ducks, hopefully over the
Speaker 2: course of the next couple of weeks and not just tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Do you like anybody because you have? You know you're
Speaker 1: Alma Mater and Notre Dame, both not in the tournament.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched a minute of college basketball this year.
Speaker 1: I'm the wrong person task I did watch.
Speaker 2: I did lose the Loulville Wouiville survivor pick that I had,
Speaker 2: so I've got a couple others that I can rely on,
Speaker 2: but for now I'm down a man.
Speaker 1: Richard Patino, right, I've been doing a lot of March
Speaker 1: Madness content for ESPN Plus Action Network. So I actually
Speaker 1: I am now caught up to speed. I'm rooting for Oregon,
Speaker 1: but there's I just want fun, I just want fun times.
Speaker 1: I actually I watched for the first time in a
Speaker 1: long time, I watched non conference college basketball because I
Speaker 1: wanted to watch Bull Bowl for the Ducks. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, Oregon beats Syracuse sitting fifty four
Speaker 1: percent of his threes. This is up. Nope, he's hurt,
Speaker 1: he is done. Oh so then I picked it up
Speaker 1: in the back twelve tournament. All right, Well, thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone out there for downloading the show.
Speaker 2: We will be back next week. Talk more college football.
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Speaker 1: Brandt, while we're here in eastern Pennsylvania. Will catch you
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