1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Body Bus with Joseph Scott more. If my words did 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: glow with the gold of sunshine, and my tunes were 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: played on the harp unstrung, would you hear my voice 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: come through the music? Would you hold it near as 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: it were your own, Reach out your hand. If your 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: cup be empty, if your cup is full, it be again. 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: Let it be known there is a fountain that was 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: not made by the hands of men. That lyric was 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: written by Jerry Garcia in nineteen seventy and it dropped 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: on the nineteen seventy album by the Grateful Dead. The 11 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: name of that song is Ripple, and it is alluding 12 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: to the idea of tossing a pebble into a steady 13 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: body of water and creating a ripple that extends out. 14 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: It's literally my favorite Dead song. Well, today we're going 15 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: to discuss a case that has something to do with Ripple. 16 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: It's actually the name of a vessel, the name of 17 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: a vessel where a beautiful young woman has been found 18 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: deceased and seemingly there are no answers. Coming to you 19 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: from the beautiful campus of Jacksonville State University. I'm Joseph 20 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is Body bags, brother, Dave, I'm 21 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: going to make a inflammatory statement here. Oh thank you. 22 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: I was hoping you'd say they don't make them like 23 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: they used to. And I'm referring to music. 24 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: You know. 25 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: One of the reasons I like the Dead, one of 26 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: the reasons I like the Dead is this. They are not. 27 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: They never have been a corporate band. I've always liked 28 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: that about them. Say what you will, say what you 29 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: will about them, you know, you know, you can have 30 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: your own opinion about them. But the idea that they 31 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: wrote a lot of their own stuff. They grinded it 32 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: out only on the road for years and years and years. 33 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: And I'm putting aside all of the hippie politics stuff 34 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and all that. I'm just talking about as craftsmen, as artists. 35 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: It's really amazing. The band is huge, if you know, 36 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: in the dimensions of the band and what they encompass, 37 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: and they're as musicians and technicians and oh my lord, writers, 38 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: it's amazing when you begin to kind of open up 39 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: their songbook and you get into some of the songs 40 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: and understand them, and it's it's amazing, particularly at the 41 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: stage of my life. You know, forgive my digression, and 42 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: I don't really think it's a digression. It's well, it's 43 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: my show, so I'll talk about what I want to 44 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: talk about. But I do love Ripple. And I got 45 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: to tell you, Dave, I came to this case out 46 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: of montac last week, and the reason I came to it, 47 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I knew nothing about it, and I think I called you. Yeah, 48 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: I think I let you know. I was called by 49 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends, right, they reached out to me, and 50 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, let me study this. I got 51 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: to look at it. I was like, Wow, this is 52 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: really bizarre. You see. I really thought, I really thought 53 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: from the beginning with this case that this was going 54 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: to be something kind of passive. You're going to have 55 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: this young woman might be drugs involved or say that 56 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: there's no visible signs of trauma, and she's found deceased 57 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: on the boat, and you know, for me, I was thinking, yeah, 58 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of know, you know, it's kind 59 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: of sallacious because it's on a yacht, and it's in 60 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: the it's summertime, you know, it's up there in the Hamptons, 61 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you've got the local police 62 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: department from Montalk, you got the county sheriff. You've got 63 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: the state police, and there's like a couple of other 64 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: agencies that are involved in this sing And all of 65 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: a sudden, the scene is more than merely a young 66 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: irishwoman who has been in America a few years designing clothes. 67 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: It's more than merely her passing away on a yacht. 68 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: There's more here, Dave. They're not going to throw this 69 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: kind of resources at a case like this and not 70 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: have some suspicions about some other things. 71 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: Well, you've got the hint of not the hint. You've 72 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: got money, You've got people in positions of power and authority, 73 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: and a guy with two yachts who is an insurance executive. 74 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: You know, you've got a lot going on up there. 75 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: When we first saw it, we're talking about Martha Nolan Oslaterer. Now, 76 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: Martha Nolan is the by the way, before we get 77 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 3: into the idea that she's a designer, Martha Nolan is 78 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: a businesswoman and an entrepreneur. Martha Nolan Oslater is from 79 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: Ireland and from a very small town in Ireland, about 80 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: fifty miles outside of Dublin. I am geographically when it 81 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: challenged when it comes to any place other than the 82 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: United States. But pull out of Maffie you'll see what 83 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. But anyway, she is an entrepreneur and 84 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: a marketing genius. When I say marketing genius. At the 85 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: age of thirty three, she has learned how to sell 86 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: herself first and a lifestyle first, and then she came 87 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: out with beachware. She actually has these pop up stores, 88 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: which you know what a pop up store is, Joe. 89 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: It's almost like a food trucks. You grab a couple 90 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: of umbrellas, you grab a couple of bamboo partitions. You 91 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: find a sidewalk area that will allow you to set 92 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: up and you hang us some of your beachware out there. 93 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 3: You have a cash register that takes credit which you 94 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: can do on your phone, and that is it. 95 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: That's a pop up store. And that's what she did. 96 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: She set up a pop up store for a weekend 97 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: in the Hampton's out on Montalk and that's where she 98 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: sold her beachware and she's developed her product line. I'm 99 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: not knocking it. I'm actually loving it. The beauty is 100 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: that she went to college for business and marketing. She 101 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: came to New York seven years ago because she was 102 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: going to be business and marketing. The fact that we 103 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: know mar Martha Nolan for the bikinis and things that 104 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: she's designed is secondary to she's a consultant for online marketing, 105 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: for using TikTok, Facebook, social media to market your wares 106 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: what she basically did. She's a consultant for these companies. 107 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: It's working for them. She goes, well, I can design this. 108 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: I'll put out a bikini. 109 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: Here you go. 110 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: Really and truly, Joe, the shape of the bikini hasn't 111 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: changed since it came out in the forties because it's 112 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: a part that covers this and a part that covers those, 113 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: and that's it. So where you put the bangals, I mean, 114 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: it doesn't take a design genius, ah, but a marketing 115 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: genius who knows how to use TikTok, which is exactly 116 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: what Martha Nolan Oslattera did. That's how at the age 117 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: of thirty three, there's pictures all over that show her 118 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: on a jets of in Champagne with her partners. I 119 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: am not about to begrudge anybody for how they market 120 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: themselves in this day and age, because she's been incredibly 121 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: successful at it. But now she's dead at thirty three, 122 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: and she's found on a yacht. But it's not just 123 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: a yacht, Joe, he already named it, the. 124 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: Yachts called the Ripple. 125 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's in montac at a yacht dock where 126 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: this really rich guy is seen at midnight running naked 127 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: on the docks, screaming helped my girlfriend. 128 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: At Joe, A sixty. 129 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: Year old man running naked is never a flattering sight, 130 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: I dare say, at sixty years old, most of us 131 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: find extra clothes to wear, even when whether they were 132 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: our wife of thirty years in a darkened room, you know. 133 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're right. 134 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 2: And this guy, yeah, pictures. 135 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: Of him, Yeah, I know he's you know in look. 136 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: I think they shaved his. 137 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: Farbia from me that I cast a spursions on a fellow, 138 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: a fellow that's walk around nicked, because I got to 139 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: tell you, it wouldn't be wouldn't be pleasant. I might, 140 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: I might burn the retinas of those around me. But 141 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: I got to tell you. The idea is that he's known, 142 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: this fellow is known to walk around the dock area. 143 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: And let me tell how exclusive this dock area is. 144 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: The dock area houses other yachts, okay, in a very 145 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: exclusive area arguably one of the most exclusive areas on 146 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: all of Long Island. There's only two hundred slips here, 147 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: and we're talking about an island adjacent to the Atlantic Ocean, 148 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: where from that location you can you know, weigh anchor 149 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: and head out. You can go north and go south, 150 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: you can go east. And with these these vessels that 151 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: they have housed here, these are ocean going vessels, you know. Now, 152 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm I don't know if you'd want to try to, 153 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, go all the way to Spain in some 154 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: kind of vessel this, But if you're trying to meander 155 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: down the coast, try to make the keys that sort 156 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: of thing, I think that that's pretty much easy for 157 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are highly skilled, or go 158 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: up to Maine, go up to the Saint Laura's seaway 159 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: from this location, you can launch out. The question is 160 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: why why is this young woman from what we understand 161 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: at this point, with no medical conditions, seems healthy, is 162 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: all over social media. Why is she dead in this 163 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: exclusive area and a nude, sixty year old man is 164 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: running about throwing items at people to try to get 165 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: their attention to help him because he's the one that 166 00:10:47,040 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: discover so they you know, standard standard operating procedure SOP. 167 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: We have been told by the authorities, and this is 168 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: so boilerplate that you could probably read my mind right now. 169 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: We've been told by the authorities there's no signs of 170 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: trauma and that her death is pending toxicology. So, you know, 171 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: we don't have a lot to go on, but I 172 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: think there's more than we might think. First off, one 173 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: of the interesting things, and I'll hammered this home until 174 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: they decide that I don't need to show anymore. Negative 175 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: findings are always great in investigations because it pushes you 176 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: down another road that you might not be considering. So 177 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure that and I don't misunderstand me. I'm not 178 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: trying to be more bid or disrespectful here. I'm sure 179 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: that investigators were the scene. They're hoping that the medical 180 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: examiner is going to find some trauma, that they're going 181 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: to find something that will answer the big question is 182 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: what is it that brought about this healthy young woman's death, 183 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: and they come up with with nothing bupkus. At this 184 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: point in time, they don't have anything to hang their 185 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: the proverbial hat on, and of course they're left wanting 186 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: here you know, we're pending toxicology. Now, just because you're 187 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: pending toxicology, that does not mean does not mean that 188 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: the individual has drugs on board. Okay, because toxicology is 189 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: part of every autopsy, all right, it's even part of 190 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: autopsies where you've got decomposed bodies. We still find a 191 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: way to do to do toxicology. But in this case, 192 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: it's standard operating procedure day for this to happen, So 193 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: you can't. Really There have been people in the news 194 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: and I got a great story to tell you about 195 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: this as something that happened relative to Fox with Me. 196 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: In this particular case, you got certain people in the 197 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: news out there that have thrown out this side the 198 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: idea that this is potentially drug related. Well, where's proof? 199 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: What is it? 200 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: You know? Where do we go from here? You know, 201 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: because people are thinking that it's strug related. I don't know. 202 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Maybe it is, but right now you don't have anything. 203 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: And what I do know is that they're saying no trauma. 204 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: If a medical examiner makes that statement, makes that statement, 205 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: follow what I'm saying here. If they make that statement, 206 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: and that's very definitive, and they have to come back 207 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: and say, oh wait, hang on, after further consideration, we 208 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: did in fact find trauma. Well, it makes you look 209 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: like an idiot and it erodes trust in your abilities, 210 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: because what they're talking about when you examine, when you 211 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: examine a body from head to toe and you're doing 212 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: X rays along with it, you're looking for any kind 213 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: of sign that might be there. You know, if you 214 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: don't have bullet defects in a body, if you don't 215 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: have stab ons, if you don't have obvious work of 216 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: some kind of blunt force instrument, where else are you 217 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: going to look? What else are you going to be presenting? Well, 218 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: you open the body, and I can tell you the 219 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: first place they went with the body, Dave is going 220 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: to be the neck dollars to donuts. I know that 221 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: that's what they did. And they're looking those strap muscles, 222 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: and they're going to take out the hyoid bone. How 223 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: many times we talked about the hyoid and they're going 224 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: to see if everything in there is intact. They're going 225 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: to look at the eyes there's no petiki, you know, 226 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: and there's other things that they might not be saying. 227 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: At this point in time. I want to know the 228 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: status of her lungs. I want to know if she 229 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: is in some kind of congestive failure. I want to 230 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: know if her lungs were like really heavy, because if 231 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the kind of peripheral findings 232 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: that you get many times with ODS. You'll have individuals 233 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: whose lungs have become congested and heavy, they're struggling to breathe, 234 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: and it'll be outside the normal ranges of weight. But 235 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: you can't say just because you've got heavy lungs that 236 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: the individual has died of a drug ody. You have 237 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: to measure everything else relative to that and wait for 238 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: the talks to come in. And then you're going to 239 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: do histological examinations, which is the microscopic examinations on the 240 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: bits of tissue that you're taken as well, and that's 241 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: going to be and it takes a while for even 242 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: those to be prepped so they can do well. It 243 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: can certainly give you an indication of any any kind 244 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: of of changes that might be responses to drugs like 245 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: that might be present in the lungs and the heart 246 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: is the heart dilated, you know, there's all these little 247 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: nuances that they look for microscopically that you can't see 248 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: with the unaided eye. Also, if you've got, for instance, 249 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: if you've got somebody that's you know, dealing with chronic 250 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: drug abuse, for instance, there's certain features that we look 251 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: for in the heart where you can actually say, yeah, 252 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: this is ongoing. It's kind of like, you know, somebody 253 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: that is abusing alcohol for years and years, you can 254 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: look and see that there are changes. First off, with alcoholism, 255 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: for instance, you can see the liver livers generally going 256 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: to be larger than normal. If cirrhosis is set in, 257 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be real nodular and kind of lumpy. 258 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: It's really bizarre. It looks sometimes I've seen them look 259 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: like pieces of concrete and people's abdomen and you still 260 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: have to slice those and put them on a slide 261 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: to take a look at them. And so this is 262 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: what they're in the process of doing right now, and 263 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, trying to understand this now externally. One of 264 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: the things that I was really curious about with her 265 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: day was there any any sign on her body of 266 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: evidence of drug abuse? Okay, And generally, you know, in 267 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: those cases, we're going to look for things like n 268 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: p w's needle puncture wounds, and try to examine those 269 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: and see if there's evidence that you know, maybe she's 270 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: been shooting up, if if she's smoking, for instance, smoking drugs. 271 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: If someone is smoking drugs, not her, you know, many 272 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: times depend upon the type of element that they're using 273 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: to to inhale. You'll have burned lips. This happens all 274 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: the time with crack abusers. They'll have these kind of charred, 275 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: burned lips you know where they're they're smoking smoking. Yeah, 276 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: very white, chalky white. 277 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: Hey, Joe, let me ask you this. 278 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: As you head to a scene like this, you've already 279 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: been told we have we have a body, yep, Because 280 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: are you going to go to the boater or is 281 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 3: she going to be transported? 282 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: In this case, do you. 283 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Know, well, she was transported and they ran a code 284 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: on her, they found her and we done. This is 285 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: another piece right now that we don't know. Now. I 286 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: think we have this proclamation from the nude guy running 287 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: down the game plank. They're not the gangplank, but you 288 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: know the area that's surrounded the boat slip the dock 289 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: up and down it and you know he's screaming for 290 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: help and this sort of thing. When and this is 291 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: a horrible thing to think about, you know, because what 292 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: we understand, she's fully clothed right now. Factor that into 293 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: your investigation. She's fully clothed and he's nude, and and. 294 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: His name is Christopher Dernan, and he is a multi millionaire. 295 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you it begs the question. And 296 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: it's not accusatory, no, it's just it's begging. It's begging 297 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: the question, why are you nicked? You know? And why 298 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: are you with this beautiful young woman who, by the way, 299 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: even though he's saying it's his girlfriend, she ain't his girlfriend. 300 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: She's actively involved in a relationship. And this individual was 301 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: away for the evening or something like this. 302 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: This is account her actual boyfriend. 303 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, his name is Nicholas Darubio, and they were in 304 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: a very serious monogamous relationship. And she actually had sent 305 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: him a message that she was going to catch an 306 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: uber and would be back at the house round one 307 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: before one. And so that's really important to note here 308 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: because at the time all of this takes place, it's 309 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: after she sends this message to her boyfriend, Christopher Dernan, 310 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: the sixty year old man who operates the Durning Group, 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: which is a workman's comp insurance company. He had spent 312 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars investing in Martha Nolan O Sladerer's business. Now, 313 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars for a guy who's worth one 314 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: hundred million or whatever, that's not a lot of money. 315 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 3: It's an investment, and it means a lot to somebody 316 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: in a startup, but not nearly that much to somebody 317 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: who's got a lot. But they did have a business 318 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: connection there. But again, now you're back to I am 319 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: a grown man, I'm his age, and if I saw 320 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: I would not be around my girl, my daughter's age naked, 321 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: when she's fully clothed running around a dog at midnight, 322 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: it makes no sense. And that's why I asked if okay, 323 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: so you get her body. She's already been taken to 324 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: the hospital, she's been undressed. You're going to see a 325 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: nude body. You're not going to see her in the 326 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: setting where she was found. You're not going to see 327 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: that in his pristine state. You're going to see it 328 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: after the fact. If you even go, would you go to. 329 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: The yes, Yeah, I'd go to the Yeah, because I 330 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: want to talk. Well, first off, I want to talk 331 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: to the clinicians that are there and I'm going to interview, 332 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: and this is standard fare in the medical examiner world. 333 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: You you track down the guys that were riding the truck, 334 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: the EMTs that brought her in, that rolled her in, 335 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: whether they're you know, because some depend upon the jurisdiction. 336 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: Some some jurisdictions will keep paramedics which are part of 337 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: the fire service at the station as well, and they'll 338 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: roll from there. And then you can have private ambulance 339 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: services or you can have county ambulance services not necessarily 340 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: part of the fire So it gets very, very complicated. 341 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: But they will have a what's called a run number 342 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: that will be specifically assigned to this event. Now that's 343 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: different than a police case number, all right, So you've 344 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: got all these numbers. As an investigator, you have to 345 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: keep track of and you have to document these interviews. 346 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: So EMTs are great, and let me tell you why 347 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: they are as far as source information for people like me, 348 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: because they're the first medical professionals that are putting eyes 349 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: on a subject that has been found down. They can 350 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: tell me everything from was there some kind of pulse, 351 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: was there an agonal or faint respiration that she was experiencing. 352 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: Was she cool or warm to the touch? That's going 353 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: to be significant here. Did you have to wipe vomit 354 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: off of her mouth? Did you try to look in 355 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 1: her did you try to start an airway? Was it 356 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: occluded by vomit? Which you get lots of times in 357 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: events You can have it well. First all, you know, 358 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: people throw up that are that have ode issues. That happens, 359 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: but you can also have these events where people are 360 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: having heart heart problems. Vomiting happens many times. A matter 361 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: of fact, many people present that are having an mi I. 362 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: They'll present with severe nausea and gastro intestinal discomfort and 363 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. A matter of fact, many people 364 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: feel the need to go to the bathroom, So you'll 365 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: have all these kinds of physical presentations. What was their 366 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: status when you got there? And kind of peripherally, I 367 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: would probably ask them, Hey, this guy that was out 368 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: here that was flagging people down, did you talk to 369 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: him directly? 370 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: Oh? 371 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was in and out or no, he 372 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: was gone. I want to know what their first blush was. 373 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: And that's why EMTs are so key to any kind 374 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: of investigation. The medical examiner is working then on top 375 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: of that, you want to ask them what life saving 376 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: measures did you take? And what that means is, remember 377 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: I went back and back a few seconds ago, and 378 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: I talked about getting a tube in. It's called intubation. Intubation, 379 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: you're trying to get a tube into the airway in 380 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: order to assist with breathing. If you've ever seen those 381 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: big plastic bags that people and squeeze, it is called 382 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: amboo bags, and you're forcing the air, you know, into 383 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the mouth and into the lungs. Rather, you want to 384 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: know was the airway clear? Did you see any signs 385 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: when you looked at her? Did you see any signs 386 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: of trump? Was there anything you removed from her body 387 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: at the scene, Like did she have anything even loosely 388 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: around her neck? Did she have anything? Was she holding anything? 389 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: Because you have to understand, EMTs are not forensic scientists. 390 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Their worldview is completely different than ours. Their sole goal, 391 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: and thank god for EMTs and firefighters, is to save lives, 392 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: all right. So their interest is not evidentiary, all right. 393 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: And so if she had something in her hand, perhaps 394 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe they brushed it aside, put it aside, maybe they 395 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: forgot about it, or if it's there, maybe they collected it. 396 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: They'll do that sometimes and bring it in because let's 397 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: just say you have a hypodermic needle and they're still 398 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: residue inside of it. They might say, hey, this is 399 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: sitting here. Might want to pick this up and take 400 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 1: it in, let the doc see it. Or some of 401 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: them will say no, no, no, we're going to leave 402 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: it here because this looks like something that might be 403 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: drug related. They're also going to look and they're going 404 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: to be asking questions does she have any medical conditions? 405 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: Now the only source of information that they have is 406 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: a guy running around naked up and down the boat slips, 407 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: which I don't know, maybe is a great source of information, 408 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: but I got to tell you, you're starting off kind 409 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: of behind the curve at this point. If you're going 410 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: to come and speak to me and you're standing there 411 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: stark naked, you know, and you know, and that's the 412 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: way this whole thing kind of kicks off. That's how 413 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: the attention was brought to this day. 414 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 3: All right, So you get you get the scene after 415 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 3: the fact. She's dead. There's no sign that she was 416 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: in a fight, no sign that she was choked, no 417 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: sign that she was not no sign that she was shot. 418 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: Nothing's glaring, and all you're left with and is everything toxicology. 419 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 3: And that's where the world has gone crazy on this story, Joe. 420 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: We have been a part of a couple of different 421 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: programs now talking about this case and the one thing 422 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: that has been mentioned, And I wonder how many times 423 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: people insert themselves into a story. I'm not knocking District 424 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: Attorney Ray Tierney, Suffolk County, DA. He has been on 425 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: TV a lot in the last several years because of 426 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: what's gone up there with. 427 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: Humorman. 428 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, with who you know, because we had Humorman, then 429 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: we and and now we've got other things going on 430 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 3: up there, and now he's inserted himself into this story. 431 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: And that bothers me because I'm like, why, And when 432 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: you split you when you pull back the headlines, Joe, 433 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: a thirty three year old woman is dead who shouldn't 434 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: be in our eyes. She looks healthy to us, but 435 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 3: we don't know if she has some kind of a 436 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: heart condition. She could have no congestive heart failure and 437 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 3: looks healthy. We don't know if she had COVID. We 438 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: don't know. We just know that a sixty year old 439 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 3: rich guy was running around the Ducks naked saying my 440 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: girlfriend has passed out. Somebody help, which is suspicious in 441 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 3: every way when we find out who he is and 442 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: then we find out who the victim is. I guess 443 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of at a I'm waffling between the 444 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: person who looks at the individual who's dead and all 445 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: the people who are trying to glom onto it to 446 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: gain some kind of insight into celebrity. 447 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, you know, from Jump Street, 448 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: this is a big thing. I'm glad you brought this 449 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: up because you know, people going and on and bang 450 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: on about the Brits with tabloids, all right, and without 451 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: mentioning any names. Okay, New York has got their share 452 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: of tabloids, and if there is some type of salacious 453 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: news that's out there, they're going to pick up on 454 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: it and they're going to run with that headline. Sometimes 455 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: it's very misleading. But I got to tell you, aside 456 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: from all the slinging of ink that goes on in 457 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: stories like this, we're still searching for truth here. Where 458 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: do we go? Well, I can tell you where I 459 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: choose to go. I'm going to go with the science. 460 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Over the course of my career as an investigator, I 461 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: worked a lot of drug related cases, and they weren't 462 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: necessarily all of ds. I had a lot of homicides 463 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: that were related to drugs. I count those as drugg 464 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: related as well. And I've seen all manner of things, uh, 465 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, relative to evidence that is left behind as 466 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: a result of being involved in this world. And I 467 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: think one of the things that's that's pretty consistent throughout 468 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: these these cases that I work, particularly as it comes 469 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: to things like coke. When you go out to a 470 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: scene and now I'm thinking back to like the mid 471 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: eighties where you know, crack first appeared and cocaine had 472 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: been around for years. People thought that it was not harmful. 473 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: You know, it was a party drug, and you go 474 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: out to these these homes and you'd find fund find 475 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: lines of cocaine out there. The one key to h 476 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: to coke is that if it is going to be snorted, 477 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: you have to place it out on what's referred to 478 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: as a smooth, non poor surface, all right, because this 479 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: stuff is granular. That's why people would Dave. You mentioned 480 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: this and I'd forgotten about this element you'd mentioned. There 481 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: are people that would take family pictures, lay them on 482 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: a table and cut their coke up on their family pictures, 483 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: and they would snort it up off of an image 484 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: of Grandma or whatever, because. 485 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: You could see where it was on the picture. 486 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: You could see it on the glass, and you could 487 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: use your blade or your credit card or whatever. 488 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 2: Not that I ever know. 489 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: I learned about this by hearing lectures about people using drugs. 490 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 3: Though it's a third or fourth hand knowledge of me, 491 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: but that's what they told me they did. Of course, 492 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: if you really want to know the history of drug abuse, 493 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: go back to the nineteen sixteen movie The Mystery of 494 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: the Leaping Fish. It's a silent movie with Douglas Fairbanks 495 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: where he played a character named Coke. 496 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: Any day cocaine has not It's nothing new. 497 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: It's been used as a powdery substance people snort to 498 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: get high for as long as people have learned what 499 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: cocaine would do. And the one thing that I have 500 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,479 Speaker 3: learned in my lifetime is you don't put it on 501 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: a cushion, you know, And when on the picture saying 502 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: this powdery substances, you don't put any any drug use 503 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: snort does not go on a cushion. 504 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous, Joe. 505 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And before I went on the Fox program last week, 506 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: I kind of got waved down before that because sources 507 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: had come to multiple media outlets that dig this and 508 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: they were moving forward this as gospel truth shows how 509 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: you need to vet everything, trust no one, and they 510 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: were actually and there had been media outlets that had 511 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: reported this, that there was drug residue found on the 512 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: seat cushions in the salon, which is the salon on 513 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: a yacht is like as kind of like a living room, 514 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: and you've got these, you know, these fabulous seats that 515 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: are built into the to the walls and that sort 516 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: of thing, and they were calling this drug residue. Now 517 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what Einstein came up with that, but 518 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: the police came back and stated that that wasn't drug residude. 519 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: That's actually fingerprint powder. And you know, so I can 520 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, I you think about that, and you think 521 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: about the information that comes out about a case like this, 522 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: and this goes to I use this word earlier, I 523 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: guess because I like it, the salacious nature of the case. 524 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: Beautiful woman, she's found deceased on a boat. It's in 525 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's face it. I think you and 526 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: I can both affirmatively testify to this. Now, I put 527 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: this zip code as far as wealth goes up against 528 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: any other zip code in the US. It's amazing the 529 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: amount of wealth that's up there that we bore witness to. 530 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: And so you know, it's it's it's real, it's a 531 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: real environment. But yet this this bit of gritty, real 532 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: world has kind of come into this And anytime you 533 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: get that that mixture with the press, you can get 534 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: some bad info because they want to create a story, 535 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: they want to make it bigger than it actually is. 536 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not diminishing Martha in her in her demise, 537 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: but what I am saying you have to be very 538 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: very careful. If this, this case had occurred any like 539 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: in the inner City, dude, I don't even know that 540 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: that it would have made the headlines at all. If 541 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: this had happened someplace like in the Bronx, you know, 542 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: down in the city. I don't even know if it 543 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: had made the news. Maybe, you know. 544 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 3: Perhaps you do have a famous person that's dead though, 545 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 3: somebody who is famous, you know in what she does 546 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: with her products, you know, with her branding, somebody who 547 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: is really developed heping her own identity in fashion and 548 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: what have you. So there's that and that's why those stories. 549 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: It's kind of like, you know, you and I have 550 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: talked about this about the power of b roll. B 551 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: Roll is footage that you can use of a victim 552 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 3: that can run silently in the background while they're telling 553 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 3: the story. That's why. That is why the case of 554 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 3: some why some cases gained more attention than others. And 555 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: it's because, well, we had the little girl dressed up 556 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 3: in a pageant at six years old, looking like a 557 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: twenty year old. That's why, you know, her case was 558 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 3: covered so much. Well, the same thing is true here. 559 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 3: You have somebody who had a lot of social media 560 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 3: presence with a lot of really flashy photos on jets 561 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: and helicopters and champagne glasses and caviar. You expect that 562 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: guy with the British accent to show up, you know, 563 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 3: and Robin Robbs. 564 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's like. 565 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 3: Lifestyles are rich and famous that we all want to have, 566 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 3: and that's what the image she was projecting. And that's 567 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 3: where you know, people come in and cover it. And 568 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: the thing is, this is a much loved daughter. You know, 569 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: she was a person who was coming into her own 570 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 3: in business and marketing and everything else, and now she's dead, 571 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 3: and we want to know why the fact that there's 572 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 3: a sixty year old naked guy running around screaming that's 573 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: my girlfriend when it's not. He's a very rich guy 574 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 3: again who actually bit a fire department. He actually but 575 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 3: Chris dernan bit a fireman at the twentieth I don't 576 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: want to call it anniversary, but it was marking the 577 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 3: twentieth year after nine to eleven in twenty twenty one, 578 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: they had the FDNY and number of firefighters that were 579 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 3: on site at nine to eleven in New York and 580 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 3: he was there. Dernham was there, got into a kerfuffle 581 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 3: with a fire department guy and bit him and he 582 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 3: was arrested for it. 583 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, they hooked him up on charges for that. And wait, yeah, 584 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any other evidence that the 585 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: spell has been involved in any kind of other Donnybrook 586 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: along the way, but it is. It is kind of 587 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: interesting this and it would seem at least I mean, 588 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I don't seek out firefighters 589 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: to bite me, it seems. And then you couple that, 590 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I guess we're four years 591 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: later and he's running around neked, you know, on the 592 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: boat dock. We've also heard reports that he's uh, he 593 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: loves to play his guitar. Uh. He walks around that area, 594 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, strumming a guitar and singing and all these 595 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: sorts of things. And that's fine. I mean, I love 596 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: I love good guitar as much as the next guy. 597 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: You just usually asiated those with sixteen year old boys 598 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: walking in the woods bare face, Yeah, to the campfire. 599 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. The idea here that we're looking at this and 600 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: it's uh, this is kind of entered on to the stage. Uh, 601 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: there's certainly is certainly populated by an interesting I'll put 602 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: it to you this way, by an interesting cast. I 603 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: want to know what the rest of the story, like 604 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: Paul Harvey says is, or or did say what the 605 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: rest of the story is. I got to tell you 606 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: one interesting little aside. You know, we had talked about drugs. 607 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: I think it was last year they had like a 608 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: major drug running bust up there in that area where 609 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: dope was being brought into that area. And that's not 610 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: normally a location that you think about where you've got 611 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: an entry level for dope that's coming in. You know, 612 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: people always cite like, you know, they used to call 613 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: I ninety five and I seventy five cocaine highways, you know, 614 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: because stuff was coming up from Florida and moving back 615 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: and forth. But nowadays you never know where it's coming from. 616 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: And what had been put forward at that point in 617 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: time about the drugs that this this drug bus, this 618 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: major drug bus that had taken place. I think it 619 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: was last year. They that had come in on boats. 620 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: So I'm just saying here, all right, and hear me right, 621 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: we've got two boats. All right, We've got two boats. 622 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: We've got Hell in a basket by the way, is 623 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: the name of another dead song, and then of course 624 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: we've got Ripple, and they're both in moored in this location. 625 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: I want to know what was found on the boats. 626 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what this is going to come 627 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: down to, you know. I mean, it's not just what 628 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: was in her system, but I want to know was 629 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: there anything else inside of that boat, because I got 630 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: to tell you, at this point, I haven't heard. I 631 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: want to know how thoroughly this this vessel or these 632 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: vessels there were two vessels there were searched. Did they 633 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: run the did they run the dogs through it? Was 634 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: anything found in there? If it was found, what was it? 635 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: And this is going to be a because you've got 636 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: a multi agency event going on, This is going to 637 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: be kind of a I would imagine will come out 638 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: kind of slowly because you've got too many You've got 639 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: too many people involved here. Now let me tell you 640 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: what's going to really sound an alarm in this case, Dave. 641 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: If we hear, if we hear on any level that 642 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: the FEDS have gotten involved in this, this is going 643 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: to throw a completely different light on this case. Because 644 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: I still I want to know, is that standard operating 645 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: procedure for a young woman in her thirties that dies 646 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: with other questions? You know, you don't know, we know 647 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 1: she's trauma free. How many other times have they formed? 648 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: And they're calling this, they're putting this title on this day, 649 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: a multi agency task force. They're using that term. That's 650 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: the type of term we've heard about, the task force 651 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: would list all right, we've heard about task force with 652 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. You're putting together a task 653 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: force because of the death of this young woman that's 654 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: you're putting those resources toward this. That question has been asked. 655 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: It needs an answer because I can't imagine that all 656 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: these other police agencies have the manpower of the time 657 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: to put towards something like this. If there's not smoke, 658 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: there's something going on here. It just seems that way 659 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: to me. I can't imagine that they would flip up 660 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: the flip the switch on this and send the bat 661 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: light out, and you know, you're summoning all these other 662 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: people to be involved in this. This This is the 663 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: type of case if it is just you know, a 664 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: natural death or maybe you might suspect that it's a 665 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: drug od the Sheriff's apartment is perfectly capable of handling this. 666 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: I don't know about the little Montak police department, but 667 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: sheriff's offices they've got you know, they've probably got their 668 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: own drug task force, and they've got their own crime 669 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: say and investigators. Are you bringing in state police? I 670 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: don't know it's and plus here's the other thing, Dave 671 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: you had mentioned the DA. Not only are the sheriff's 672 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: investigators involved in this and state police, they have assigned 673 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: multiple District attorney investigators to this as well. Why, why? 674 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: What is it? What is it about this event that's 675 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: going to require this much manpower? I don't know, but 676 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Dave. I don't know about you, 677 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: but I am as intrigued by this case right now 678 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: as anything that we have covered in the last few weeks. 679 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what toxicology reveals. I can't 680 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: wait to see what the task force uncovers in this 681 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: because I got to tell you, sometimes, in fact, where 682 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: there's smoke, there is in fact fire. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 683 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: and this is body bags