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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Tuesday, December two, and yes,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines, breaking news. You know,

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Speaker 2: day two of testimony and the Brian Walsh murder trial. Remember,

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Speaker 2: he's accused of murdering his wife. He says he didn't

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Speaker 2: In fact, he only chopped her up allegedly. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of information coming in digitally right now, so body's

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Speaker 2: been following this very very closely. This case is going

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Speaker 2: to be happening all week, and we want to make

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Speaker 2: sure that we are knee deep in this one because

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Speaker 2: it's definitely one to watch. Also, Luigiu Mangiona is back

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Speaker 2: in court today as new bodycam footage is shared in

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Speaker 2: the courtroom. Luigi and the officer who arrested him actually

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Speaker 2: were face to face today in the courtroom. So so

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Speaker 2: much on that to discuss. Plus the mother and stepfather

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Speaker 2: of Rebecca Park, which we talked about last night. She

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Speaker 2: was the twenty two year old pregnant woman who was

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Speaker 2: found deceased. The status of her baby is unknown. The

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Speaker 2: mother and the stepfather have been brought into custody and

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Speaker 2: charges have been made and they are not good in fact,

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Speaker 2: in fact, they are grizzly. And also some new developments

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Speaker 2: around the Anna Kepner case, the eighteen year old who

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Speaker 2: was found dead while on a cruise. That story discontinues

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Speaker 2: and we've been following it very very closely, and it

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Speaker 2: does seem as though there is no question homicide, homicide, homicide.

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Speaker 2: And also a quick update on the Slenderman case. Morgan

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Speaker 2: Geyser is back before a judge, so we must now decide,

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Speaker 2: or at least they will, should she be put back

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Speaker 2: into treatment or should she face actual jail time. So

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Speaker 2: before we go any further, I just want to say

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Speaker 2: hello to Courtney Armstrong and body move in. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Hello ladies, happy to see we're off to a big one.

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Speaker 3: I'm Stephanie Leidecker.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to jump in and join the

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Speaker 2: convo eight eight eight three one crime, of course, you

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Speaker 2: a talkback. Just download the iHeartRadio app in the top

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Speaker 2: right hand corner. There's this small little icon with a

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Speaker 2: little microphone on it. All you do is push that

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Speaker 2: show and I have to talk to you guys at

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Speaker 2: some point tonight about the Diddy doc Sean Cole, So

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Speaker 2: you started reckoning listen. I tried to watch it last

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Speaker 2: night at midnight, as promised, and I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the like what the clock is at Netflix, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't really drop at midnight. So I watched it a

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Speaker 2: little bit today in the morning and was like, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: I really have to keep watching it.

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Speaker 3: It's very good. It's really well done, I think.

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Speaker 2: And then I've been watching it throughout the workday and

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Speaker 2: every time the phone would ring and I would have

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Speaker 2: to stop it, I'd be annoyed and put it on pause.

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Speaker 2: And I'm dying to get back to it after the

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Speaker 2: show tonight. It's a really thorough look through his life

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Speaker 2: and right now we're in the Tupac section, or at

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Speaker 2: least that's my life, and it's really well laid out.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, there's like some interesting footage that I think

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Speaker 2: Courtney you must have.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned last night that he did.

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Speaker 2: He must have hired a camera crew to be shooting

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Speaker 2: him or a filmmaker to be shooting him in the

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Speaker 2: days leading to his arrest, like six days prior, and

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Speaker 2: then somehow after he was brought into custody, somehow fifty

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Speaker 4: So interested to hear how that unfolds. It sounded from

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Speaker 2: So Luigi speaking of camps and things that are not

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Speaker 3: Let's go to a talk back right now.

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Speaker 5: High ladies. It is producer Ava, and I want to

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Speaker 5: tell you a little voicemail telling a story about something

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Speaker 5: that happened to me yesterday. I live in New York

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Speaker 2: Choose our daytime producer, obviously, so it's the night shift

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Speaker 2: right now. So that's why I guess the voicemail Well,

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Speaker 2: great question though, those are.

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Speaker 3: Really good questions. And let's let's live in a world

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Speaker 3: where the judge says these things can't be admitted, right

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Speaker 3: And to Ava's question, will people already know? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Do you have a mouse in you you have a

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Speaker 3: I think it's okay now, as part of bourgeois. They'll

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Speaker 3: ask the jury, can you can you listen to evidence

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Speaker 6: So basically, can you not focus on that evidence.

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Speaker 2: Or then eventually can they say, oh, we have to

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Speaker 4: Right, I wonder, I mean it'll probably I bet the

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Speaker 3: Dying to talk to you about it?

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Speaker 4: So again, this is the pre trial evidentiary hearing, so

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Speaker 4: accused killer of Mangione is seeking to suppress statements and

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Speaker 4: So that would be gigantic if the drools that way.

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Speaker 4: So today on the stage and the officer who responded

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Speaker 2: Immediately, what but he didn't know prior, like, he didn't

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Speaker 3: He thought it was probably just a fake sighting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right, and he testified your exactly right stuff.

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Speaker 4: And he testified about that, saying when they got the

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Speaker 4: And he said that his supervisor promised him a hogie

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Speaker 4: how much he didn't consider this a credible threat until

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Speaker 3: Mark, Mark, I think New Jersey idea.

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Speaker 4: I think so, Yeah, it was the name of what

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Speaker 4: And then the responding officer, this is all you know,

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Speaker 4: And the responding officer, in his testimony, he said that

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Speaker 4: there could be a firearm active shooter? Yeah, And Mangione

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Speaker 4: But what he did was he told officers that he

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Speaker 4: identity was checked. And then finally the accused Mangeone, admitted

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Speaker 3: So that was just the idea I had in my wallet.

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Speaker 4: after the first contact, Mangeone was read his miranda rights.

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Speaker 2: So just for the technicality, because we talked about this

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot. Again, this is not you know,

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Speaker 2: getting him on a technicality for that nineteen minutes where

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Speaker 2: the miranda rights had not been read. But again, this

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Speaker 2: they're rolling in by themselves, by the way, to get

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Speaker 2: weren't there other scenarios that Luigi, for example, used that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why do I not understand three D printing at all?

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Speaker 3: The ballistics match.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you if you can't submit something into evidence,

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Speaker 3: This is like protocol ridiculousness. It is, but I mean

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Speaker 7: Though it is, Well, it happened in Pennsylvania, and lucky

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because the what the prosecutors say is that the

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Speaker 2: This guy is crazy making and I cannot wait to

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Speaker 2: dig in. Boddy, do you want to give us a

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Speaker 3: Let's see how it goes. So today was the second day, right,

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Speaker 3: the murder trial of accused Massachusetts wife killer Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 3: Testimony centered on Trooper Grano's forensic review of the accused devices,

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Speaker 3: dismembering his wife, victim Anna Walsh, who disappeared I'm using

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Speaker 3: But he is saying, Oh, she died in bed and

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Speaker 6: So that's what it is. To cut her up into peace.

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Speaker 3: Some of them. I picked out some of them because listen,

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Speaker 4: He has not been found guilty of murder, so innocent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was his Yeah, everybody said, you know,

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Speaker 2: Who can keep a control of your kid's devices? Who

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Speaker 3: I am a user on my wife's credit card and

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Speaker 2: Great question, Brian, glad you have your priorities together to

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Speaker 3: Some your chainsaws and something to hack her up with.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's what a normal innocent person would do.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know a forensic expert would have to look up.

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Speaker 2: Is the case, but exactly right, right, Like why wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Or a stroke or an animals and many of the

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Speaker 6: She was young.

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Speaker 3: She was thirty nine years old. Another thing he he

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Speaker 3: searched for was is six ways to dispose of a body? Murder, murder, murder.

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Speaker 3: a body. So these are like admissions to me. These

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Speaker 3: are like big time admissions to me. And I don't know.

439
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Speaker 3: I don't know how they're going to get bat I

440
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Speaker 3: don't know how they're gonna combat that. And by the way,

441
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Speaker 3: if you have anything to say and you want to

442
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Speaker 3: weigh and give us a call eight and eight thirty

443
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Speaker 3: one Crime or hit us on the talkbacks on the

444
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app, because I would love to know what you

445
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Speaker 3: guys thought of these searches.

446
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Speaker 6: I really wouldn't.

447
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 3: You can go find them anywhere online. One of the

448
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: interesting things that I that I that we found that

449
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: he searched for was Patrick Kerney. And if you don't

450
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Speaker 3: know who he is, he was called the trash Bag

451
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: Killer and the Freeway Killer. He's an American serial killer

452
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Speaker 3: who sexually assaulted and murdered a minimum of twenty eight

453
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Speaker 3: young men and boys in southern California between nineteen sixty

454
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Speaker 3: two and nineteen seventy seven. He is often engaged in

455
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: necrophilia with his victims' bodies before dismembering them, and he

456
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: frequently wrapped his victims severed limbs and trash bags and

457
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: scattered them in various locations mainly along state highways.

458
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Speaker 2: Now, by the way, searching for that, well, I think

459
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: we know why he were searching for that, because he

460
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: wanted to have the how to blueprint. By the way,

461
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: that's a very specific serial killer that's not really commonly known.

462
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: We know him, you know, because we follow this stuff

463
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: so much, but that's not you know, the Bundy of

464
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: the world, right.

465
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Speaker 3: Right, So so very.

466
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Speaker 2: Specific, which also makes me confuse, like is this something

467
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Speaker 2: that was very premeditated, because some of this stuff is

468
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Speaker 2: just like, first of all, it's so dumb, why is

469
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 2: he searching for everything under the sun. Of course, your

470
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: digital footprint is going to be found out. But remember

471
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: this guy's a fraud and a liar to begin with.

472
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: He was already on charges and looking at jail time

473
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: for pretending to have fine art that was actually fake.

474
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Speaker 3: He had some weird stuff like does the diswasher clean blood?

475
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: Is it possible that a knife which had blood on

476
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: it remains contaminated with HIV after it's been washed. It's

477
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 3: it's like weird stuff that he's looking for, Like, oh,

478
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Speaker 3: I didn't.

479
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Speaker 7: Hear much of these, like he I know a lot

480
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 7: of these he looked in advance before her death. But

481
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Speaker 7: I'd be curious, like, oh, no, these are after, these

482
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Speaker 7: are after or all of these are after?

483
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there were a few that happened on like

484
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Speaker 3: the twenty seventh of December, and it was like the

485
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Speaker 3: twenty seventh of December, she again, she went missing on

486
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Speaker 3: New Year's Day. And I'm using missing in air quotes

487
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: because he killed her. I don't care. I know he's accused.

488
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: He's accused of killing her. So December twenty seventh, he

489
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Speaker 3: searched for what's the best state to divorce for a

490
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: me uh huh? And then at four fifty five am

491
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: it's the first search I know of on January first,

492
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: how long before a body starts to smell?

493
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Speaker 6: Period?

494
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Speaker 3: And just as it.

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00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: Reminds her, this is a young mom who has three

496
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: young children, you know, all under the age I believe

497
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: of ten years old. You know, they're still very young.

498
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: And imagine what that Christmas was like just days prior.

499
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: What were the festivities, What was the air in the

500
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Speaker 2: room like? Were they opening presents and putting on the

501
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, forward facing look of a happy family.

502
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: Did she sense in pending doom?

503
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: We know that she was concerned that her husband might

504
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: be doing some serious hard time for the fraudulent art

505
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: dealings he was doing, right.

506
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Speaker 1: So.

507
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: What was going on that did she sense this coming?

508
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: It's heart wrenching.

509
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 4: It is heart wrenching, and it's it's so funny that

510
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Speaker 4: you mentioned it, because at the moment you said that,

511
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Speaker 4: I was just saying January first, like there's not even

512
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: batteries in all of the Christmas toys yet. Yeah, exactly,

513
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like that's there's not and yeah.

514
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: Everyone's off, the kids are off of the school. Yeah,

515
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, everyone's home.

516
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 7: The kids were at the time of her disappearance aged two,

517
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 7: four and six, so tiny little nuggets and just the

518
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 7: whole thing is horrific. But I brought this up yesterday

519
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 7: and I was kind of wrapping my head around it

520
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 7: when I know he's looking at towards the dismemberable charges

521
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 7: versus first degree murder, so I had to look up,

522
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 7: like I'm curious, like what is the time frame difference

523
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 7: in Massachusetts for example, So first degree murder in Massachusetts

524
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 7: carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole,

525
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 7: but on the side, improper disposal or dismemberment canuck go

526
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 7: up to maybe five years in prison, and so you

527
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 7: can see why they're clearly going in that direction.

528
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Speaker 6: But five years for something.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if this man again, if you haven't

530
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: looked at a photo, we never say this, like, we

531
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: never look at a photo when it say this guy.

532
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: But in this particular case, this photo makes me crazy

533
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: whenever I look at him.

534
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: He looks like that guy who's just like that.

535
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Con Yeah, that he is out for blood just by

536
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: virtue of the fact that he's not only done what

537
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: he has done. Do you know how difficult it is

538
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: to dismember a body? Though he's saying that part, It

539
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: is off the charts difficult and scary and sad and

540
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: the kind of thing you do not come back from

541
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: and it is not normal. So this poor woman, Anna

542
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: was married to this monster for a very long time, right,

543
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: and you know, little did she know that somebody imagine,

544
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: like the person that you're with is capable of that.

545
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 6: It's really diabolical.

546
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Speaker 2: And her backstory is kind of you know, you know,

547
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: telling too. I mean, she she came to the United States,

548
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: she had a dual citizenship. Her family is you know,

549
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: not immediately around her. You know, they're not going to

550
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: get to lay her to rest, and you know, she

551
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: she got her degree, and she was, you know, living

552
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: a full life and working in hospitality and somehow gets

553
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: wrapped up with this clown.

554
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Speaker 3: What a sad ending. I know it's it's really sad,

555
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: but I listen, I really believe that he's going to

556
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: get convicted. I think, I really, I think the jury

557
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: is sitting there going what But I still want to

558
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: know if they're going to hear that he pled guilty

559
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: to dismembering her and whatnot and dispersing her remains. I

560
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: haven't heard anything yet.

561
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 7: Oh, whether the jury will hear that information? Yeah, oh,

562
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Speaker 7: I thought that was because he admitted to that.

563
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 3: I thought, sure, right, But but what I don't know

564
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: is if that they're going to hear that he pled

565
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: guilty to those things, because right now it's not charging.

566
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: He's not being charged with that because he already play

567
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: guilty to it. So stay tuned for that. I really

568
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: want to know.

569
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Speaker 4: Right now, to Taha's point, because yesterday, I think, remembering

570
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: the same thing, it was poor Brian Walsh went to

571
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: find his wife unresponsive.

572
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 6: He shook her.

573
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: She was so unresponsive that she then fell onto your floor.

574
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Speaker 6: That's true.

575
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: And then in a panic this port true God.

576
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 6: So to protect kids.

577
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: No, you're talking the table. Yeah, I mean I can't

578
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: believe I forgot that, Like I just said it like

579
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: ten seconds ago. But take portant for that.

580
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: So but listen, like there is these huge trials happening

581
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: between Luigi's trial now accused killer wife trial Brian Walsh,

582
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: and also these new developments in this terrible case surrounding

583
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Speaker 2: the pregnant woman age twenty two, whose body was found

584
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: several days ago. There's still this burning question as to

585
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: what happened to her baby. And yesterday we were talking

586
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: about it. It seemed impossible to imagine that her mother was

587
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: involved or her stepfather was involved.

588
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: Not her sister.

589
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: She couldn't possibly be involved, definitely, not the baby daddy.

590
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Well, how things have changed. Yeah, So there was the

591
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: arraignment today of Courtney and Brad Bartholomew. So Courtney is

592
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: the biological mother and Brad is the husband of Courtney,

593
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: so he's the stepfather you know of Rebecca Park the victim.

594
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: So again, Rebecca Park was twenty two years old. She

595
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: was thirty eight weeks pregnant. Oh, I think maybe thirty nine.

596
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: She was due basically, she was do She was one

597
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: hundred percent due. She disappeared on November third and was

598
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: found dead on the twenty fifth in the Manistee National

599
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: Forest in Michigan, prompting a multi agency investigation. Authorities are

600
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: continuing to search for victim Rebecca Park's missing baby and

601
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: have released very limited details due to the investigation sensitivity. However,

602
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: I think from reading the charges, we can kind of,

603
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: you know, ascertain what happened, and then I'll talk about

604
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Speaker 3: So I'll read some of the charges. There's so many.

605
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: I'll read some of the charges, and then I will

606
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: read what the cops think happened.

607
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 6: How's that great?

608
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: So let's go through the charges. Okay, So, uh, victim

609
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: re Becca Park's mother, her name is Courtney Bartholomew. And

610
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: here's here's some of the charges. Okay, immediately, Yeah, so

611
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: these are these are Courtney's the biological mom and her

612
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: arraignment again was today. One count of premeditated homicide, one

613
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Speaker 3: count of torture, one count of assault on a pregnant

614
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: individual causing a miscarriage or still birth. Yeah, one count

615
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: of unlawful imprisonment, one count of removal of dead bodies

616
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: without consent. Yeah, so that's that's the mom's charges. The

617
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: stepdad's charges are like the same, except for instead of

618
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: premeditated homicide, it's just homicide. He has the torture, the

619
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: conspiracy to commit homicide, the assault of a pregnant individual.

620
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: He has all those two one count of unlawful imprisonment,

621
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Speaker 3: et cetera, and one count of removing dead bodies without consent.

622
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Speaker 3: He also because he's an habitual defender, he's also been

623
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: charged as the habitual defender, So both of them were

624
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: denied bond, both of the goodness.

625
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: So basically, they took her, lured her into the bomb's home,

626
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: held her captive, did unspeakable things to her, and then

627
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: removed her body and place.

628
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Speaker 3: You're stealing my thunder here right now, right, Nancy Drew.

629
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Speaker 4: But I have a question about one of the charges,

630
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Speaker 4: which is for Rebecca Parks's mother, Courtney Bartholo Mule is

631
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Speaker 4: charged with one count of assault on a pregnant individual

632
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 4: causing a mis carriage or still birth. Right, But to

633
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: my knowledge, we have not nobody has found the baby.

634
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Correct? That is correct? But you know,

635
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: the I think the other night when we were on

636
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: I think it was I think it was Sir Joseph.

637
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: When we were on with Joseph, I had mentioned that

638
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: the cops were out there searching the house, the trailer

639
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: that they live in, and they were taking devices and

640
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: then burn barrels and things like that from the home

641
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: while we were on the show. And I think what

642
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: maybe has happened is in the in the course of

643
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: the investigation, they found communication between you know, all these

644
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 3: characters that could you know, maybe alluded to the fact

645
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: that this had happened because they the county prosecutor, Joanna

646
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: Carey has come out and said basically what they think happened,

647
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: and it includes that. So let me let me go

648
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: through that. So the couple, it's saying that Courtney and

649
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: Brad again, Courtney is the biological mother of victim Rebecca

650
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: Park and Brad is her husband. Is not Rebecca's dad,

651
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: but he is Courtney's husband. The couple researched and planned

652
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: the crime prior to doing that, like why would they ever?

653
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: Do you remember when I presented this case. Do you

654
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Speaker 3: remember when I presented this case, I had mentioned that Courtney,

655
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Speaker 3: the biological mother, was kind of I feel like, obsessed

656
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Speaker 3: with being pregnant, and she had taken a sonogram picture

657
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: that you can find on Google and presented it as

658
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: her own and then messaged a friend saying that she

659
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: had the baby and that it was in the nick

660
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: you and it was going to be coming home soon.

661
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 6: So all this time she sat planning to.

662
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Speaker 3: I think that was part of it, like this whole

663
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: build up. So the couple researched and planned the crime.

664
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Speaker 3: The husband, Bradley, allegedly brought Rebecca, the victim, to their home,

665
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: forced her into a different vehicle. They allegedly drove her

666
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: into the woods. Rebecca was stabbed and forced to lie

667
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: on the ground. Her unborn baby was cut from her womb.

668
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: Both she and the baby died, and prosecutor Johanna Carey

669
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: described a crime as evil personified. And you know what

670
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: I agree.

671
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: I mean for me to hear, yeah, that's too much

672
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: if the prosecution is coming out this plainly at this point, so.

673
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: I think they found something. Now listen, I'm telling you, guys,

674
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: these people never shut up. They're they're live on TikTok

675
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: all the time, just make all these crazy stories and

676
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, well they're not live now, they're in jail.

677
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: But prior to the arrest. You know, this was building

678
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: a lot of momentum on social media, particularly TikTok, and

679
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: they never shut up.

680
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: So I.

681
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: Have to see one TikTok's immediately. Can you send one

682
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: to me right now? I just need to see right now.

683
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: But my phone is on the other.

684
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: But when you're saying they were all over, you're talking

685
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: about the victim, Rebecca Parks, her family, her family, her

686
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: sister to leave, was had some engagement.

687
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so her sister, Kimberly Park, has been charged with

688
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 3: lying to police in the investigation of a violent crime,

689
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: false felony reporting. So there's it's unclear if those charges

690
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: are connected to Rebecca's death or if Kimberly had any

691
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: knowledge of it, but she was lying to police. So

692
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: I have a feeling this is I have no evidence

693
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: of this, you guys, but I have a feeling there's

694
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 3: some communication between Kimberly the sister, and Courtney the mom

695
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: about what happened, and Kimberly was lying for her.

696
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 7: I'm mistaken that that one of the accusations was she

697
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 7: tampered with evidence as well.

698
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: Tampering with evidence. That's another one, right.

699
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 7: Okay, So she did that well, I mean, it seems

700
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 7: like it's connected, but that could be.

701
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: Just deleting a text message, you know what I mean.

702
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: It could be anything. It could be anything. So we

703
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: don't know, but we're obviously going to find out. But

704
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 3: we don't know right now.

705
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: Interesting said it's horrific, go ahead, and is the victim's

706
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 6: father in the picture.

707
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: I might be misunderstanding this, but what I'm seeing is

708
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: that according to Park's father in a statement on November

709
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 4: twenty fifth, he was the person who found Rebecca Park's

710
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: body with the search party.

711
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: With her brother. So his her biological father and her

712
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: biological brother were out searching for her, and there were

713
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: a couple search crews and they found something kind of

714
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: they were kind of far away from it, but they

715
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 3: I think they knew it was her. So they went

716
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: and grabbed another search team and said, we think we

717
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: might have found something, but we're scared to look, you know,

718
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 3: I mean, this is his daughter, rights And the search

719
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: team was like okay, and they went and looked, and

720
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: of course it was her, and the father really loves her.

721
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: Probably no, I'm really not sure about the biological father's relationship.

722
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: She was adopted and by another family with her and

723
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 3: her sister. They were adopted. I think they were taken

724
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: from Courtney the mom. I mean, these people are not

725
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: stable people. They are like insane. Yeah, they're literally insane,

726
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: and I mean it's wild. These people are wild.

727
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: And they were all like sleeping with the same man too,

728
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: baby with the baby daddy, well many years ago though,

729
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make it better.

730
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: But Courtney, yes, at one point, had a relationship with

731
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Speaker 3: Richard Fowler, and Richard Fowler is Rebecca the victim, Rebecca's

732
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: baby daddy flash fance And where is he Well, we

733
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: don't know, but apparently the cops did suspect him at

734
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: one point because they served a search warrant to his

735
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: father's trailer where Richard and Rebecca were staying. And in

736
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: the search warrant it said that they were looking for

737
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: a fetus and so yeah, yeah, but in the course

738
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: of that search they found like this evidence that he

739
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: was distributing meth. So he's been charged with two counts

740
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: of meth. And here's the thing I think Brad is

741
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: talking Brad again, is Courtney's stuff or Courtney's husband the

742
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: biological mom because he's being housed a different jail, and

743
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: he was also seen like kind of with the investigators

744
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: when they were searching the property. He was seen with

745
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: them kind of like talking to them and stuff. So

746
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: I think he's maybe talking. Well, he must be.

747
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: Because he's also a convicted pedophile who has his record.

748
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: They all now he's a repeat offender that's back at jail.

749
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: He's he's definitely all doom and gloom if he doesn't

750
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: speak up right.

751
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: This is a sickening story.

752
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: In my eyes is broken for Rebecca and may may

753
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: she find some peace? Can we like go to something

754
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: a little lighter. Was going to say something later, Yeah.

755
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 6: Well go ahead, Courtney, what were you going to say?

756
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

757
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: I mean, should you have any thoughts on this very

758
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: deeply sad case of Rebecca Park who has lost her

759
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: life when she was nine months pregnant and likely her

760
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 4: baby's life. You can hit us on the talk pack

761
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: and in the meantime we are going to go to

762
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: a different talk pack.

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Speaker 8: Hey, this is Lisa from Pittsburgh. Wanted to send you

764
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 8: a huge thank you and a bit of a giggle.

765
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 8: Every time you say there's a talk to your kids

766
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 8: about this thing, I do. I text my sixteen year

767
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 8: old and ask, well, today I got a message from

768
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 8: him that said, Hey, there's.

769
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 6: This new thing going around. I just want to let

770
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 6: you know they're not going to take advantage of me.

771
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 8: So I appreciate you opening up that line of communication.

772
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 8: At first he was weirded out, but now it's easy.

773
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: That is so adorable. By the way, That's been the

774
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: case for me too.

775
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: Suddenly once you kind of like RaSE the ice with

776
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: some of this heavy stuff. I mean, we talk about

777
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: a lot of heavy stuff, but I'm so glad to

778
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: hear that.

779
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: Once you bring the ice, I am so thrilled.

780
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I find the same and that just I

781
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: think it thrills all of our hearts.

782
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm so happy.

783
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: And honestly, that really is the biggest thing, or one

784
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: of the absolute biggest things you can do to prevent

785
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: something from happening to your child or to a child

786
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: in your life is an awareness of what is out

787
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 4: there without You don't need to be super ghoulish necessarily,

788
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: but it's open communication is really is everything.

789
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: The key, even.

790
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: For adults, all of us.

791
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: Right, the more we talk about some of this stuff

792
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 2: difficult as that last story, is to absorb and hear

793
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: the details of it's really important that we talk about

794
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: it because again, you don't know what to protect yourself

795
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: from in this world, and I don't know, it makes

796
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: us all a little bit safer and a little bit

797
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: smarter and you know, less less like pray.

798
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: You know, when I was young, I was like anything

799
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: my mom said, I was like, you know, she's stupid,

800
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, or whatever. So but I can see like

801
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: if she had come to me and been like, you know,

802
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: if this happens to you, let me know it, you know,

803
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: it's okay, I think I would have been able to

804
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 3: talk to her about things. More so, I do think

805
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: that that I don't have children, so I don't know,

806
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: you know, or even.

807
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: Just if you talk about it all the time kind

808
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: of regularly, it's not this big weird conversation, you know,

809
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: Like what makes truth bomb is just we're all super uncomfortable,

810
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, if you're just unaturally asually talking about stuff again,

811
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, within reason, I mean PG the G version,

812
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: but you know, things like just safety and general safety.

813
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: I think for all of us is really important to

814
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: keep you know, top of mind or.

815
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Speaker 4: Even like what Katie Greer the Internet X Birth that

816
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: she's spoken with and also Jessica Kaplan, the therapist, and people

817
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: that we interviewed for in cels. It's all all of

818
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: them are like just open the communication and kind of

819
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: often you know, whenever something, oh I heard X in

820
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: the news and you know, versus, hey, what the heck

821
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: are you doing on your device? You know, not accusatory,

822
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 4: So just keeping it in the ether, like you said, Stephanie,

823
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 4: in a non pressurized, non accusatory way.

824
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: You know. I posted the story of that that kid

825
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: Bryce tape to my Facebook. Oh so sad, so so sad.

826
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: This this this kid, he was fifteen and he was

827
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: being sex storted. It took three hours, right, I posted

828
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: it to my Facebook, And do you know how many

829
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: people on my Facebook didn't believe it was true?

830
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 6: Crazy?

831
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: They thought they thought something was wrong with him, like, oh,

832
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: he must have been some you know for him knew

833
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: that three hours. Yeah, he got blame or they thought

834
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: I was fibbing. No oh no.

835
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gotten ridiculous.

836
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: I was like, here's the thing.

837
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Speaker 2: Putting all that aside, which is horrible, by the way,

838
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: that's wild. But also if another child, if this is

839
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: the case for all of us, E've been taking kids

840
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: out of it.

841
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: When you're faced with that situation.

842
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: That might seem like, Ah, it's just my mom or

843
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: that's just my you know, overprotective friend or partner or whomever,

844
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: until you find yourself in the thick of it and

845
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: then suddenly those you know, Spidey sense kicks in and

846
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 2: that could be a lifesaver.

847
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, ladies. Man, well listen, please leave it here.

848
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 4: Coming up at the top of the hour, we are

849
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: going to be switching on to new topics. We've got

850
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: slender Man update, We've got that, We've got more talkbacks

851
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: True Crime Tonight.

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00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

853
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: crime all the time of Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

854
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body Move in listen. If you haven't heard,

855
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Luigi has been back in court today and man, this

856
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: case is definitely heating up. It's actually a huge week

857
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: for trials in general, including the Brian Walsh case. We

858
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: talked about that earlier in the hour as well. If

859
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: you've missed any of the show No Sweat, you can

860
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: always catch us right after also as a podcast. So Luigi,

861
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: the crowds continue outside the New York Courthouse unbelievable.

862
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: There were all Meiji costumes, which makes me crazy.

863
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, turning him into a iconic

864
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: supermodel that people worship is also so demented in my mind.

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00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: But all that to be said.

866
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: His lawyer is actually married to Ditty's defense lawyer.

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00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 3: Talk about a little legal power couple.

868
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

869
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: Big Time also highlighted in the Diddy doc that I

870
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: can't talk.

871
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: To you guys about Wait a minute, can we talked

872
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: about that?

873
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it was pretty interesting. I can't wait

874
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: for you guys to watch it. I mean, I'm only uh,

875
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: you know, a quarterway through, but I'm sure by tomorrow

876
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: night I will be fully there. So jump in. It

877
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be a true crime and chill per se.

878
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: But you know, we talked about the Diddy case so

879
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: so much that I think we were all unsure if

880
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 2: it would be worth the watch or not a because

881
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: we've covered it so much and are we all just

882
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: a little tired of Diddy at this point? But no,

883
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: until I started watching, and I think it's pretty pretty interesting.

884
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: It also gives you an interesting timeline, you know. I

885
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: think for me, I wasn't as familiar with a Tupac

886
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: Biggie part of Puffy.

887
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: Story, and I think that's the one I'm most familiar.

888
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: With exactly, And I really probably started getting into Diddy,

889
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: and I was a fan when j Loo stepped into

890
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: the mix, all right, because they used to date, right, Oh,

891
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: they used to date. He was remonsible for her like

892
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: remember that versace.

893
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 6: Green dress, green dress, Yes.

894
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: That's like what he was. I known for pairing her

895
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: in and.

896
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: Remember that the shootout at the club, and that was

897
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: very controversial and so much to still come, I'm sure.

898
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: But there's a lot about Diddy prior that I really

899
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: didn't know, and it's really well done.

900
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought it was going to be a rehash

901
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 7: of all the same things. But if there's new, fresh info,

902
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 7: I will be sitting and watching it.

903
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm just so curious what he thinks of it. Oh,

904
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: he's probably furious Diddy.

905
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 4: Well, I mean it seems like that he and his

906
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: camp are not happy with some of the footage that

907
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 4: is in the dock by Fittycent, So that makes me

908
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 4: I'll be curious.

909
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 6: If that is a whole other life.

910
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: His response is going to be interesting, right, because he

911
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: says he's reformed, He says he's, you know, a religious man,

912
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: now he's sober, et cetera. If he flies off the

913
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: handle at fifty cent, it's going to be interesting. If

914
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: there's like this new like West Coast East coast thing,

915
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: it's not going to be like that. But you know,

916
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: let's just say, let's live in a world that where

917
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: you know, it could be something like that, and it's

918
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: going to be very telling because he has changed it all.

919
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting and again if you haven't watched, this

920
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: won't be very fun. So I'll keep it very brief,

921
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: but definitely watched so we can chat about it again.

922
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 3: Doesn't need to be this week.

923
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: We can definitely still to our are still to our

924
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: our normal stuff. But you know, I sort of really

925
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: started noticing Diddy again when Jayla was in the mix

926
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: after Biggie had died his beloved best friend, and that

927
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: song I'll Be Missing You that he sang infamously on

928
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: stage with Sting that one night. That's kind of when

929
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: I really tuned in and became kind of a I

930
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: think it was a then puff fan and now later

931
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: to become ditty, right, But it does tell an interesting

932
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: part of the Biggie story and how it's possible that

933
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 2: you know, Puff at the time really forced the hand

934
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: to be in Los Angeles where Biggie was ultimately killed

935
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: because there was this gang war between East Coast and

936
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: West Coast after Tupac's death, and did he just felt

937
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: like his ego wanted him to sort of be on

938
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: La turf giving a big party kind of as a

939
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: sort of like a you know, an few if you will, right,

940
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: And ultimately that was the night that Biggie died and

941
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Biggie wanted to go home.

942
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 4: Oh well, one thing, and you had mentioned all of

943
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: did he you know, filming himself? And indeed, the director

944
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: of the documentary, Alexandria Stapleton, said, their purview it being

945
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 4: the footage.

946
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 6: It came to us.

947
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 4: We obtained the footage legally and have the necessary rights.

948
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: We moved heaven and earth to keep the filmmaker's identity confidential.

949
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 4: One thing about Shawn Colmbs is that he's always filming

950
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: himself and it's been an obsession throughout the decades.

951
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: Okay, and that says it. Wait a minute, hold on,

952
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: So Sean Combs, did he right hires a film guy,

953
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: a camera dude, whatever, a filmmaker to follow him around,

954
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: right like his own reality TV show. Okay, So then

955
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: he gets arrested and convicted and goes to prison, and

956
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: the filmmaker sells that footage to Bitty Cent a portion

957
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: of it.

958
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: I mean, really, the footage that I've seen so far

959
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: and I'm on the early stage of watching, was really

960
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: the six.

961
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: Days leading up to his quest. So he flies to

962
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: New York six days prior.

963
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: He's staying at the New York hotel hyatt Or saying yeah,

964
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: where he was ultimately arrested in the lobby. We've all

965
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: seen that footage, but this is the six days prior.

966
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: He's in a hotel room and there are other people there,

967
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 2: and you hear him talking to his lawyer, who's also

968
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: the husband of Luigi's Luigi's defense attorney, which is why

969
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: I make the connection. It seems very claustrophobic, and did

970
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: he is like, look, I'm in town. What's the problem.

971
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: Like this is not looking great? Like we need to win.

972
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: I feel like the shoe is about to drop, and

973
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: boy did it ever? So, like, that's an interesting piece

974
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: of the beehive that you're looking at. I just think

975
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: it's wild that he has a person in that hotel

976
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: room with him shooting.

977
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 6: That moment and for what end.

978
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 7: Well, I probably thought I'm going to be this is

979
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 7: not going to happen. I'm not going to I'm going

980
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 7: to get off and this will make a good future

981
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 7: documentary about me and how.

982
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: It's always he's always producing. He's always producing. He always

983
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: just has an ego.

984
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: I mean, are there's so many criminals, you know, I'm

985
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: thinking of the cult guy to Rinier.

986
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: We've discussed this.

987
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: He's er who also had like a film crew following

988
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: him all day all night that he had on staff.

989
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 2: People who think that they're worthy of a twenty four

990
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: hour filmmaker to be following them, that they're the ones paying,

991
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: Like they're not being commissioned. It's not like HBO wants

992
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: to follow you because you're so interesting, just because it's

993
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: because you think.

994
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm so fascinating. I will say, though, having cameras follow

995
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: you around is pretty it's pretty gives you a good ego.

996
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 6: Listen, I yeah, it does.

997
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: Think it really does.

998
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 6: It makes you way does it as well? So I

999
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 6: think a lot of people who have that big ego,

1000
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 6: so he.

1001
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: Might needed that.

1002
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: Like it's not particularly flattering either, it's like, it honestly

1003
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: shows you know, a slice of him that even if

1004
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: you have a camera on you and you're being on

1005
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: your best behavior, it's not that flattering, well best behavior.

1006
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: I just honestly, I just came across a quote. I

1007
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 4: haven't seen one second of this documentary, but after reading this,

1008
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: I will be.

1009
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 6: Watching it immediately after the show.

1010
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: Oh literally.

1011
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1012
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you got to this part yet,

1013
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: Stephanie or anyone else who's watched it, but apparently in

1014
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 4: the documentary.

1015
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: Are you going Shawn spoilers right now?

1016
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 4: No, this is one line of what he said, and

1017
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: it takes place. It's in He's on the phone six

1018
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 4: days before his arrest. Is Stephanie laid out and apparently

1019
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: he says, we need to find someone who will work

1020
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: with us, who has worked in the dirtiest of dirty businesses.

1021
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: We are losing. Yeah, no, like that's what he says.

1022
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: It's not a good look. It's really you know, some

1023
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: stuff that's also in the trailer, but it's so gross.

1024
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: It just says so much like he's walking through Harlem,

1025
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: like shaking hands and giving love and hugging on his fans,

1026
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: and then he gets in the car and.

1027
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I need some like hand washed, like

1028
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: oh act and it just gives chills, you know, it

1029
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: just gave me the chill. The facade is gone, it's

1030
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: been removed, right.

1031
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 2: And he's been added for a really long time. So yeah,

1032
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 2: it just paints a very I think elegant bad picture

1033
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: of him.

1034
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: Wow. So if you're just tuning in, if you're just

1035
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: tuning in, we've just kind of just kind of gossiping, right,

1036
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: I just having a little gossip session about the new

1037
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: Diddy documentary. If you watched it, give us a call

1038
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: eight to eight thirty one Crime or hit us on

1039
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app where we kind of

1040
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: want to know what you guys think. It seems pretty interesting.

1041
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: But Courtney, I understand you have an interesting update for

1042
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: us as well. Yes, this is going back to the

1043
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 3: slender Man case. Yeah, okay, Yeah.

1044
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: So a judge right now is being asked to send

1045
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: Morgan Geyser, who was one of the perpetrators of the

1046
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen slender Man stabbing case. A judge is being

1047
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: asked to send her back to a psychiatric facility and

1048
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: not to jail. And this comes on the heels of

1049
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 4: Morgan Geyser, a perpetrator of this attack, escaping a group

1050
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: home in Wisconsin. Now, this arrest of Morgan Geyser happened

1051
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: on November twenty third in Illinois, after Morgan Geyser had

1052
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 4: cut off her ankle monitor and fled her group home.

1053
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 6: So all of.

1054
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 4: This and so again Morgan Geyser is now being brought

1055
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: back to Wisconsin. And as a reminder, back in twenty fourteen,

1056
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 4: Morgan Geyser was twelve years old at the time, she

1057
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: and her fellow twelve year old friend and accomplice, Anissa Weir,

1058
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 4: stabbed their classmate, a victim, Peyton Lautner. They stabbed her

1059
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: nineteen times. They nearly killed her in the woods after

1060
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: a sleepover, and the claim was that this was all

1061
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 4: to a He's the fictional character slender Man. The victim,

1062
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 4: even though she was stabbed nineteen times, has survived, thankfully.

1063
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 4: But Morgan geyser escaping was incredibly scary for all involved.

1064
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 4: I mean, she's clearly unwell. So once Geyser so she

1065
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: cut off GPS. She meets up with a friend who

1066
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: she had met through church and they take a bus

1067
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: to Illinois and Morgan Geyser was then brought back with

1068
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 4: no charges in the state of Illinois, and Geyser's attorney

1069
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: has formally requested that Geyser be transferred back to a

1070
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: mental health facility, and they argue that she's not facing

1071
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: any new criminal charges and was originally institutionalized under a

1072
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 4: mental disease verdict and therefore shouldn't be in jail.

1073
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: Well, she needs to be. She needs to be in

1074
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: a secure facility.

1075
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: Not group Yeah, it's not safe for the other group

1076
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: home inmates, you know, for anybody who's exactly that's exactly right.

1077
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: And I'm curious if her mother has come out at

1078
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: all Morgan Geyser mom. You know, she has in the

1079
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: past and has spoken out kind of publicly about the

1080
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: mental health issues. You know, she knows her daughter had

1081
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: been suffering with at this point. But I didn't see

1082
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: much about that today, you know, I've either I didn't either.

1083
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 4: But in the past, so Geyser herself perpetrator. She disclosed

1084
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 4: years ago lifelong visual and auditory hallucinations, including figures that

1085
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: she interpreted as ghosts and things melting down walls, and

1086
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 4: her mother at the time did describe Geyser as being

1087
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Speaker 4: floridly psychotic is what it is?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: And you know I have not heard the term either.

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Speaker 4: I wrote it down and did not bother to look

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00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 4: it up, I know. So okay, Google tells me listen

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Speaker 4: to the state of acute psychosis with severe and obvious

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00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 4: symptoms such as hallucinations. The florid phase is the most

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00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 4: intense period of psychotic episodes.

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Speaker 3: Her brain is sick, you know, ill. I mean I

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Speaker 3: really believe that, I really believe she's but I mean,

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Speaker 3: she can't be in these open group homes though.

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Speaker 6: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And you know, people warned the judge like way back

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Speaker 3: when when she got just recently, actually I think this

1101
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: year early this year, right rand to this group home,

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Speaker 3: that something was going to happen, like because she's unwell.

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Speaker 4: So they'll be a hearing on December twenty second and

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Speaker 4: the state will figure out then where Indeed Morgan guys goes.

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Speaker 3: I would have thought, not.

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Speaker 2: To go back to the beginning of the show, but

1107
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: even back to Luigi, that mental illness was playing some

1108
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: part in his path, but that has never come up.

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Speaker 6: No, not yet.

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Speaker 4: Well listen, keep it here. We have topics from Anna

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Speaker 4: Kepner and lots of other dms. True Crime Tonight. Welcome

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Speaker 4: back to True Crime Tonight. We are so happy you

1113
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Speaker 4: are here joining us, and I think you guys, we

1114
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Speaker 4: should hop right into a talk back.

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Speaker 3: Hey, ladies, listening as a Sunday episode of Umnic Caountner.

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Speaker 5: I'm just wondering this asphixiation just means the loss of

1117
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 5: breast or does it mean like I'm just wondering.

1118
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Speaker 2: Did maybe the stepbrother put a pillow over her face

1119
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: or does.

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Speaker 5: It actually mean she was choked to death? Just to talk,

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 5: you know, stuff we've been talking about.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps you know there were play fighting. Maybe you know

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: she stopped breathing because you know a pillow smothered her.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, just trying to play.

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Speaker 4: Double is advocate by channeling my inner Sefty Thames, ladies.

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Speaker 6: By when we were just talking about this, but we

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Speaker 6: were yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because what's the difference between great question, By the way,

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01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: thank you for remaining hopeful for the sixteen year old

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: who was being associated with this horrible, horrible event. But

1131
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: it's three things, right, what's the difference between strangulation elation

1132
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: and then the mechanical exphyxiation which is also a new

1133
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: layer being added to this report, which is what they're saying.

1134
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 7: Correct, she died from and panical exphyxiation means someone died

1135
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 7: because airflow was blocked by an outside force, typically caused

1136
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 7: by pressure on the neck, chest, or airway.

1137
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Speaker 6: So that is.

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Speaker 3: Right. And exphyxiation itself can happen from many different things.

1139
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Speaker 3: To the talkbacks point, right, it could be strangulation, it

1140
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: could be suffocation, it could be a pillow, it could

1141
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 3: be a good point. It could be chemical, it could

1142
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: be drowning. But this was a mechanical exphyxiation. And I

1143
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Speaker 3: think at one point they said it was a bar hold, didn't.

1144
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 4: They That was an indication I remember seeing, yeah.

1145
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: And as Mema well for sure, and I don't know

1146
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Speaker 2: if this is fact right, But mem who is Anna

1147
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: Kepner's grandmother, who she and her grandfather were on the

1148
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: cruise ship as well, although they were not in the

1149
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: room obviously at that moment. But I saw her giving

1150
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: an interview that was heart wrenching, and she basically said

1151
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: that she was in the first portion of the interview

1152
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: that police were doing with the sixteen year old stepbrother

1153
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: after the body was found, and she made kind of

1154
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: that choke hold, you know, when she kind of made

1155
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: that gesture, and then I've seen another person on the

1156
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: news also just make that gesture, but it doesn't say

1157
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: that anywhere. So I mean a pillow. That's a that's

1158
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: a great thought. And I don't know that we know

1159
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: the answer quite yet.

1160
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: I could have sworn it was reported early on that

1161
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: it was a bar a bar hold.

1162
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which again, you could do that while playing around,

1163
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: if you're horsing around, as you know sometimes and again

1164
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: this is not a boys will be boys statement.

1165
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: I do not mean that in any way, but if.

1166
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Speaker 2: You're clowning around, and I have all brothers, so it

1167
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: would not be uncommon for somebody to be in a

1168
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: choke hold just on a you know, on the way to.

1169
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Speaker 3: Dinner, but you know, are long rough housing in that

1170
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Speaker 3: hold in order to die. It's a long time, is

1171
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: that right? Yeah, it's a long time, like if you

1172
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: if you, yeah, it's a long time to choke somebody.

1173
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 3: And even if she's so little, even if she's little,

1174
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter whow and listen, we're definitely on different

1175
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: sides of the coin here, Like I think this kid's

1176
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Speaker 3: probably guilty of it because again the you know, the

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Speaker 3: friend of Anna Kepner talked to the little brother and

1178
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Speaker 3: he said he heard a commotion inside that room.

1179
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Speaker 4: And has that been reported anywhere except for the friend

1180
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Speaker 4: saying it?

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01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: No, just no, It's been reported that the friend said that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's how I got it that he did

1183
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 3: an interview.

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the friend was hearing that from the boyfriend.

1185
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 3: So it was the boy The boyfriend is the one

1186
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 3: who said it, got it the reporters. Yeah, but again

1187
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 3: that's all hearsay, right, It is a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's just because he's a minor, the sixteen

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Speaker 2: year old.

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Speaker 3: It's tough, I know. So it's.

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01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: So you think that he was a psychopath at sixteen

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: years old, had a thing or was a little off

1193
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: to begin with, as reported by Anna Kepner's ex boyfriend,

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01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: and that he intentionally took her life.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say as reported by Anna Kepner's ex boyfriend

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Speaker 4: and not by Anna Keptner's grandparents who said this was

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Speaker 4: a normal kid, was a normal kid, as well as

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Speaker 4: Anna Keepner's father who has said he was a quote

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Speaker 4: normal kid. So just yeah, all sides, right, I mean,

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: just sixteen years old, man. I mean listen, I also

1202
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Speaker 4: watched Nancy Grace and shed be on your side of things, body,

1203
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 4: and I'm not on a side. I'm just oh, I'm

1204
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 4: just devastating to see somebody so young.

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Speaker 3: And I just don't I just don't think age really is.

1206
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Speaker 3: I mean, look at we just talked about Slenderman. They

1207
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 3: were twelve. It breaks my heart. I mean, I don't

1208
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: think age. I just don't think age is something that

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Speaker 3: holds somebody back from being off the rails.

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Speaker 2: Well, but just the other side of that would be

1211
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Speaker 2: that you know, your brain isn't fully developed at all,

1212
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: your frontal lobes. We know this as facts are not developed.

1213
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: So your reasoning is questionable. Now just add any teenager

1214
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: at that age in terms of their reasoning, because you

1215
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: don't fully understand consequences. You know, you don't really understand

1216
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: consequences until those consequences really hit you in the face.

1217
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: And I guess I'm just responding to what mem her grandmother,

1218
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: Anna Kapner's grandmother said in an interview days after. And

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Speaker 2: he was like howling, crying, and you know, the sixteen

1220
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: year old, you know, was this just something that got away?

1221
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 3: And you know, just as a heartbreaker.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean I've seen you know, sixteen year

1223
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 7: olds who what wasn't There was a case recently where

1224
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Speaker 7: the young guy was arrested for the rape charges. He's crying,

1225
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Speaker 7: So I mean, yeah, they might have done something awful

1226
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 7: and you feel guilt.

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Speaker 6: About it in those emotions. That's right in that way.

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Speaker 3: So that's true. It's it's yeah, I mean, I just

1229
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Speaker 3: strangulation if if that's what happened, it just takes a

1230
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Speaker 3: long time. It's very like, very intentional. It's very intentional,

1231
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Speaker 3: and it's also very intimate. It's also very intimate.

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Speaker 2: One piece of the puzzle though, because it's been brought

1233
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: up a few times, is that she was not feeling

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: well at dinner.

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Speaker 3: She said her brace is hurt, her brace is hurt

1236
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Speaker 3: or something. She was nauseous, you know.

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: According to her grandmother, Mima, she was, you know, sickened,

1238
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: and she just like something wasn't sitting right.

1239
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: She was like, I'm going to go back to the room. Yeah.

1240
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 3: Was that real?

1241
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: Is it possible that she had been she had been

1242
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: food poisoned, for example, and maybe she was like a

1243
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 2: little off and got back to the room and wanted

1244
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 2: to use the bathroom and he was standing in her

1245
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: way because now she has like a bad stomach, and

1246
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: they're in this small little room, and maybe he was

1247
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: taunting her, as you know, sixteen year olds that are

1248
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: dumb dums my do, and it just escalated.

1249
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 3: I just I have to believe.

1250
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: That it was something unintentional, and I reserve the right.

1251
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 3: God knows to be wrong. But no, I mean, I

1252
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: hope that that's entirely possible. I do.

1253
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 7: I just I still can't get past the fact that

1254
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 7: then you would hide the body under the bed, then

1255
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 7: put you know, life preservers and kind of cover it up.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know he's sixteen, so we're not fully developed,

1257
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 7: but at that point, if you've injured a family member,

1258
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 7: it seems like you've got all these other family members

1259
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 7: down the hall. When you go and say, I think

1260
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 7: I just did something wrong, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just, yeah, I know, what do you

1262
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: do in that situation? Think about it? I mean, I listen,

1263
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:42,480
Speaker 2: Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 3: We talked about, you know, the accused wife killer. That

1265
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 3: was his big idea.

1266
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Speaker 2: So I guess to your point, you know, people do

1267
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 2: really bad things.

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Speaker 3: Well, his life is ruined, no matter how you slice it.

1269
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 3: We know her body was found under his bed and

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Speaker 3: it was covered with life jackets, and he slept that

1271
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: night on top of that bed along with her biological brother.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I just don't have anything, you imagine.

1273
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Speaker 2: It never really occurred to me that he slept on

1274
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: that bed and the standing.

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my understanding as.

1276
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 7: Well, because where else would he have gone until the

1277
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 7: next morning.

1278
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: So and the little boy that was her birth brother

1279
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: at fourteen came back into the room and he went

1280
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Speaker 2: to bed, and he was he.

1281
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 6: Was just out.

1282
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 3: He was out exploring the ship. And you know, I

1283
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 3: think taking pictures or something.

1284
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, I don't know.

1285
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: I guess I just yeah, I'm a little harsher. I

1286
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 3: guess I don't know. No, No, you're just probably a

1287
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 3: little more.

1288
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1289
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: There's you know, there's an old meme. Can I talk

1290
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: about it real quick?

1291
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Speaker 6: There's an old meme.

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Speaker 3: And it's a three little beakers, okay, and they've got

1293
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Speaker 3: little smiley face on them and stuff, and one says

1294
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 3: I'm half full, and they're all half full, okay, And

1295
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 3: one says I'm half full, and the other one it's

1296
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 3: got a little sad face and he says, I'm half empty,

1297
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 3: and then the other one because it's like yellow liquid

1298
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: in these beakers, I'm half full. I'm half empty, and

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 3: the other one says I'm full of piss says I'm realist.

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Speaker 6: That's funny.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorites and that's me.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, file a little bit more. But yeah, well

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 7: that one is one we'll keep following. And if we

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Speaker 7: have for sure legal questions or anything, we can ask

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 7: Jared about that.

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Speaker 3: Do we know if they have alcohol, if by any

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01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: chance on the.

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Speaker 4: Ship, I don't know, but if the ship itself, well,

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 4: I know the ship probably had alcohol.

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 3: But Anna was eighteen, she could I think drink on

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01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 3: the ships, right.

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question.

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 7: If you're National water drink at eighteen, I feel like

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Speaker 7: you probably there.

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Speaker 3: This was days ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, preliminary finding, So okay, maybe something comes up. But

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Speaker 4: preliminary find findings indicate both no signs of sexual assault

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Speaker 4: as well as no drugs and no alcohol in her system.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I just kind of wondered maybe, But I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys ever, like if you're

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 3: when we were younger, you know, my mom would let

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01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 3: me have a wine cooler, you know what I mean.

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 3: It was like, you can have a wine coolers. Do

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Speaker 3: you guys remember wine coolers?

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Speaker 6: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Right now those anymore?

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Speaker 2: Those they were so anyway, my mom would be like,

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: you know, I was like sixteen.

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Speaker 3: She's like, you can have one with you know, with

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: us tonight or whatever. And I just especially when you're

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 3: on vacation, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, I'm sure. So, I'm just I was just wondering, is.

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01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: There a world that we live in in which where

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Speaker 3: the sixteen year old kid maybe had some alcohol or

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Speaker 3: you know, Anna had some alcohol or something, and to

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: your point, stuff something happened. But you know, like death

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: by strangulation is just it takes a while, it is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't think about that until you said it

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 7: that I didn't.

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 3: I think you pass out and to psychology come back.

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01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 3: So quest to ask Joseph.

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01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 6: I think I think that's a good question.

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 3: I think you take it takes like thirty to sixty

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 3: seconds to like pass out and then another three to

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 3: six minutes to die, so.

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 6: You have to literally be holding it first to me.

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 3: Right, and I could be wrong about that, please, you know,

1348
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: take it with a great of salt. I'm just recalling memory.

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Speaker 6: We'll have a conversation with Joseph about it. We also

1350
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 6: got a DM about the same case.

1351
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 7: Oh yes, this one is from Leslie and she says, hello,

1352
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 7: huge fan. So glad there's a true crime show that

1353
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 7: covers cases nearly every day. Anyway, just a note about

1354
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 7: the Anna Kepner case. We cruise often on Carnival and

1355
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 7: have actually cruised on the Horizon ship that sweet Anna

1356
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 7: lost her life on. Totally creepy to think about. Because

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 7: we often we cruise often, and we have an interesting

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 7: family dynamic as well.

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01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 6: Three young adult.

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01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 7: Kids, two young kids, the room situation becomes difficult. Technically,

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 7: someone over the age of twenty one should be quote

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 7: staying in each room according to the Carnival rules. Trust me,

1363
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 7: I have often thought it would be easy to pile

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01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 7: the adults adult kids none to twenty one at the

1365
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 7: time in our last cruise in a room by themselves.

1366
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Speaker 7: But because of this twenty one year old rule and

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 7: understanding there is a reason for this rule, we have

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 7: always abided. As a side note, I can see Carnival

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01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 7: not accepting any liability liability whatsoever. If Anna was the

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 7: oldest staying in this room, what.

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Speaker 6: Are your thoughts.

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 3: I think I had mentioned that I thought it was

1373
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 3: weird that, you know, the teenagers are all in their

1374
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 3: own room, especially then when they're not related. But I understand,

1375
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: and I say that as somebody who grew up with

1376
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 3: like no money at all and going on a cruise

1377
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: would be like this extravagant thing. And I know how

1378
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 3: expensive it would be to be able to house all

1379
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 3: these kids in different rooms with an adult. I say

1380
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: that knowing that, But you know, here we are, no, here.

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 2: We are, And I wonder what the dynamic between the

1382
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: family was prior, right, So is this one of those

1383
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: cruises where we're blending a family and not everyone gets

1384
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: on and you're hoping that this kind of sorts out

1385
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: some of the kinks or is everybody thick as thieves?

1386
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: And this has been a beautiful, smooth transition just based

1387
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: on what we've read allegedly allegedly allegedly, we know that

1388
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: Anna Kepner's birth mother wasn't really included in family festivities.

1389
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: In fact, she wasn't even invited to go to our

1390
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 2: unders funeral. So there was some tension on that side

1391
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 2: of things, no doubt. But I wonder, as you know,

1392
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: you blend a family, step kids, stepmothers, always father, but

1393
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 2: not always right. Maybe it's perfect and maybe this was.

1394
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: But was this something that they did often as a family.

1395
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: You know, they had meable there and Grandpa. There was

1396
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,759
Speaker 2: this one of those trips that was a learning curve

1397
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: trip where the idea was, yeah, like everybody, it's a

1398
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: lot of people. We are on that boat together. We're

1399
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: bonding experience family.

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 6: That's a great concept. Actually, that's all Yeah.

1401
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: And it kind of fits all ages. You can be

1402
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: the older kids can find something fun to do. The

1403
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 2: little kids can also enjoy fun things.

1404
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 3: Honestly, a great idea to take the family on a cruise,

1405
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 3: I think, yes, yeah, there's something for everyone.

1406
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: And now this family is for sure ripped apart because

1407
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: you know they're on opposite sides of things.

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01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll stick around. We have more to dig into.

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 3: We've got some more talkbacks to get to and keep

1410
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 3: it right here at True Crime Tonight, we're talking true

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: crime all the time.

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1413
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm I'm staff here with

1414
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: Courtney and Body and listen. We have a couple of

1415
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: talkbacks to get through.

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 3: Let's go to one right now.

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01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 9: Hi, this is Andrea from Indiana, and I had a

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 9: question for Body about metadata. I was wondering what her

1419
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,839
Speaker 9: opinion was of the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case because

1420
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 9: metadata played a part in the photos that Heard was

1421
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 9: submitting us evidence of her abuse and her makeup or

1422
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 9: not lack of makeup. I'm wondering what you guys think

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01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 9: is that was that real? Or was that message? Thank you?

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: The metadata is such a great question because we had

1426
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: the same one for Body as well, because I didn't

1427
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 2: realize that if you take a picture of a picture,

1428
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 2: then the metadata doesn't count.

1429
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 3: You don't see it like a screen. Yeah, like when

1430
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 3: you take a screenshot, it's not really you know, the

1431
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 3: camera isn't capturing it, right. And that's kind of what

1432
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: happened with the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp's stuff. So

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01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 3: from what I recall, this is many years ago. From

1434
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 3: what I recall, the defense attorneys for Johnny Depp called

1435
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 3: a forensics expert who said that, you know, a lot

1436
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: many of the photographs that Amber her presented of the

1437
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 3: abuse that she's you know, claiming that she suffered through,

1438
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: they couldn't verify the metadata because the EXIF which is

1439
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 3: EXIF data, is what's on pictures, like the geolocation, the

1440
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 3: kind of camera that took the phone or the picture,

1441
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 3: you know, things like that, and the software section is

1442
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 3: supposed to stay supposed to say like the iPhone camera,

1443
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 3: and the field didn't say that, meaning that the phone

1444
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: didn't take the picture. So it was it was edited.

1445
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 6: Oh okay, right.

1446
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 4: So was Amber heard in this I don't recall was

1447
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 4: did it appear that she or her attorneys were trying

1448
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,839
Speaker 4: to shift time or shift the narrative to fit their story,

1449
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 4: or just it simply was, hey, we can't verify this.

1450
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: No.

1451
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 3: From from my understanding, amberhard submitted photos of like this abuse,

1452
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 3: like bruises and stuff on my face, and what the defense,

1453
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 3: the defense forensics expert said was I can't authenticate these

1454
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 3: photos because they have been altered outside of the phone,

1455
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 3: because the metadata didn't match what it was supposed to say.

1456
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: But Amber's response to that was while I lost my phones.

1457
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: I lose my phones all the time, asked my sister

1458
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: or something like that. Okay, so it's such a messy trial.

1459
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 3: It really was, and it was a while ago, but

1460
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 3: that's but that's That's how it works though, So if

1461
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 3: you take a photo on your phone, you can do

1462
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 3: it right now. Take a photo on your phone, open

1463
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 3: it up in your gallery and hit the little if

1464
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 3: you if you have an Apple iPhone, hit the little

1465
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 3: eye button, like the little information button. It was like

1466
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: a little eye with like a circle around it. I

1467
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: think that you And from there you can view a

1468
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 3: lot of the metadata on that photo. Now, when you

1469
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: send it to somebody, like say, I send it to

1470
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 3: Courtney and she opens it up in Photoshop and you know,

1471
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 3: puts a bruise on my face and then sends it

1472
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 3: back to me and I save it to my gallery.

1473
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 3: The software field right in the metadata is not going

1474
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: to match your other the actual pictures you took with

1475
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 3: your phone. It's going to be different.

1476
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: So you can tell if it's going to tell kind

1477
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: of filtered or changed in any way shape or form.

1478
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 2: So and then you know, if somebody sends you a

1479
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 2: photo and they're like, hey, I'm here, sorry I couldn't

1480
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: join you for dinner tonight, and then you look at

1481
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 2: the metadata and it's from you know, three and a

1482
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: half weeks ago, you know, liar liar pants on power to.

1483
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 3: Get around that. To get around that ask, take go

1484
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 3: to your gallery, find a picture view on that Hawaiian trip.

1485
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 3: All right, screenshot it, send that because it won't have

1486
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 3: the metadata on.

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01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 6: This, so clears it away.

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01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 3: So right, okay, So anyway, that's the great question, though,

1489
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 3: work around. I'm glad we cleared.

1490
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 2: By the way, I just saw Amber heard some photographs

1491
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 2: of her looking very happy.

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01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 3: She's a mother. Now.

1493
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: I think she's living in a different country, of course,

1494
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, I think she moved to a

1495
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: different country and started anew and had a little family

1496
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 2: of her own. And of course Johnny Depp is back

1497
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: to it acting and money. She had to be excommunicated

1498
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 2: from the world and he gets his career.

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01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: But Sam coming.

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Speaker 6: Sam is saying Spain.

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01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: So thank you, happy and healthy and was making a

1502
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: turkey for her family.

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01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 3: Oh she is a turkey, so good for her. It's

1504
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 3: pretty turkey though. She's very beautiful. I hope that helped.

1505
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 3: I hope that I'm doing that for memory. So I

1506
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 3: got some of the details incorrect.

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01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 7: But yeah, that tip for me is like, if I

1508
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 7: ever want to say, oh, look here's the picture with me.

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01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 3: Listen every time Tamas sends me a photo. Now I'm

1510
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 3: going to be looking at that. Yeah, I had a

1511
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 3: girlfriend And this happens very regularly. That the guy was like, I.

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 2: Have a girlfriend who was supposed to bet on a

1513
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 2: date with somebody. I forget the total details, but he

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01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 2: was basically veiling saying, oh, I'm.

1515
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 3: So sorry, I'm with my kids. We had an emergency.

1516
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: And then she looked at the metadata and oh yeah,

1517
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: it was from like two and a half months prior.

1518
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 3: My favorites with the text and it's it's a live photo.

1519
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: Do you know what those are?

1520
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm in.

1521
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm in a reddit subreddit that talks about live photos,

1522
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 3: and it's like it's like live photo goofs or something

1523
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 3: like that, and it's like a bunch of mistakes people

1524
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 3: have made with I photos, like like your friend like,

1525
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: oh I can't come, I'm there's an emergency, and you know,

1526
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 3: the girl clicks the photo so it plays for like

1527
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: those three or four seconds. Yeah, and there's like a

1528
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 3: woman with him. Oh yeah.

1529
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 4: Those Oh no, yeah, do you have strong I pronounce

1530
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 4: it and correctly Snden Shoden Frowden, Yes, yeah, by you,

1531
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 4: I had of it.

1532
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm always like that could be you were making a

1533
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 2: face like you had something to report on the Amber

1534
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: Heard situation.

1535
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't have anything to report, but the face

1536
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 4: I made was that I remembered that her and Elon

1537
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 4: Musk used to get it on, and that just I

1538
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, that's a strange piece of

1539
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 4: information I'd forgotten.

1540
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's an interesting backstory if I remember, like, she

1541
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 2: left home very very very early, she was like fifteen

1542
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: or something and to be an actress.

1543
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 3: And yeah, she was with very.

1544
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 2: Very very powerful, influential men and you know, potentially very

1545
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: drug fueled.

1546
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 4: You know.

1547
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: I think by that particular trial it seemed to be

1548
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 2: the case.

1549
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 3: And it kind of makes me feel.

1550
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: For her a little bit, like, well, you got a

1551
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 2: little way word there in the early days, and you

1552
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: can see how that can catch up with you.

1553
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 3: And it did.

1554
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: So all I would say, she looked very healthy, and

1555
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 2: it seemed to be enjoying Spanish living.

1556
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not to enjoy shinen frauda. And I'm sure

1557
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 4: someone will correct me.

1558
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 3: I'd be super strong, like I'm not like, I don't

1559
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 3: love when people are suffering or noting like.

1560
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 4: This, No, I know, but what it is is I

1561
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 4: I love the It's such a particular emotion. It's when

1562
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 4: you get pleasure from someone's misfortune that they caused themselves.

1563
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 3: They caused them It's always like when I say, you know, may.

1564
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 6: You reput yourself right?

1565
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 7: Right?

1566
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: So I believe I'm not like sitting there like look

1567
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 3: at this guy. I know, you know, an example, I'm

1568
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 3: not twisting my mustache.

1569
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 6: The other night.

1570
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 3: An example like just what body just.

1571
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 4: Said of the the sub breddit of and someone trying

1572
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 4: to cover up but in the live photo you see

1573
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 4: there's actually a mistress and they get hot.

1574
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 6: Well yeah, okay, but.

1575
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 3: It's like that bit of delight if you get it.

1576
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 3: That's I just find like people stupidity interesting more than anything,

1577
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like Wow, what a dummy?

1578
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like what a dumb of

1579
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff? Like I joined all those am

1580
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 3: I dating the same guy? Facebook groups like in every

1581
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 3: city just to read like the things that people try

1582
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: to get away with. I don't know, I just find

1583
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 3: it interested. What did they try to get away with those?

1584
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 3: Oh god, all so many light there's so like it's

1585
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 3: so funny. People post a picture they'll be like this

1586
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 3: is Andy does anybody have any tea on him. We

1587
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 3: just started dating like three weeks ago, and I'm starting

1588
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 3: to get feelings and like, just from the picture alone,

1589
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 3: I can say I can tell you it's going to

1590
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: be like a show with problem do you know what

1591
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 3: I mean?

1592
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 7: Like?

1593
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 3: And I just like reading them like girls stay Away,

1594
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 3: and I just I love like the women empowerment in

1595
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: those groups because they're like sweetheart, No, no, no, no,

1596
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: he's bad news. I dated him three years ago, like

1597
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 3: he gave me a STV And just anyway, I love

1598
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 3: those groups that are hilarious.

1599
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 6: Wow, funny.

1600
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: I love them anyway. I'm talking way too much.

1601
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 6: No, you're not well? Do you want to do? We

1602
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 6: have time for another talk? Do you want to throw?

1603
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 6: Let's see what Adam has for us?

1604
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,919
Speaker 10: Hi, ladies in Taha. This is Liz originally from Michigan.

1605
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 10: Now I live in Washington State. I haven't called in

1606
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 10: since sometime this summer, but I finally decided that I

1607
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 10: had to weigh in on this whole past food burger.

1608
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 6: Idea Boddy, I'm a little disappointed. Being from the Midwest.

1609
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 10: Everybody knows that the real best burger is Culver's Butterburger.

1610
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 10: I know I'm from Michigan and it's from Wisconsin, but

1611
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 10: having been to many, many, many states all over the country,

1612
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 10: there is absolutely nothing that compares to a Culver's butterburger.

1613
01:25:54,800 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: Is listen, Okay, I'm from Detroit. I have never even

1614
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 3: heard of Culver's. Culver's Burger is never heard of it,

1615
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 3: but I want immediately body is rolling up her sleeves.

1616
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 3: Was no, I'm kidding, I'm joking. I joking, but no,

1617
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 3: I never even heard of it. Is this something that

1618
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 3: maybe popped up? I left Michigan when I was ten, Okay,

1619
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 3: so this was I left Michigan in nineteen eighty four,

1620
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 3: so it might not have been around when I was there.

1621
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1622
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 6: I went to californ when. Am I mistaken? But it

1623
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 6: might be more of like a Wisconsin.

1624
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 2: Oh, Illinois, they probably know what's up with a really

1625
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: good burger.

1626
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 3: I mean mid the best word is so delicious. Listen,

1627
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,520
Speaker 3: give me a castle roll any day, like your Midwestern

1628
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 3: castle role.

1629
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah too, I love me on road trips or

1630
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 4: like around Colorado. I'm trying to My geography is absolutely horrible.

1631
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 4: If I did not literally cheat, this is one of

1632
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 4: the only things I ever remember cheating on But it

1633
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 4: was a I couldn't get the fifty states on a map,

1634
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 4: and I was like, I will never graduate middle.

1635
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 3: School, and so I cheated anyway.

1636
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was on a road trip somewhere forgiven, thank you,

1637
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: And for several states at gas stations they would have

1638
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,520
Speaker 2: cheese refrigerators.

1639
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 4: Just at gas stations. Can anyone picture what I'm talking about?

1640
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 3: It sounds made of it is made of cheese.

1641
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 4: No, it would be these little I'm doing about two

1642
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 4: feet by a foot and a half. It's a fridge

1643
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 4: and you open it and it's packaged cheese and you

1644
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 4: just take yes, well kind of cheese, delicious.

1645
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 3: Like spiced cheese, and me like like a cheese just

1646
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 3: sitting there.

1647
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I'm not okay for tomorrow. That is my

1648
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 4: homework for tonight. I'm going to send you guys pictures

1649
01:27:59,080 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 4: because the.

1650
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 3: United States of America is such an interesting country because

1651
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 3: state to state is like a different country, like state

1652
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: is its own little culture, like language accents, dialect like

1653
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 3: I have never heard of a cheese fridge.

1654
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 4: More gas stations when you can make your own like

1655
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 4: not slushies, but milkshakes, and you press a couple of buttons.

1656
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 3: Actually, I've seen those in Vegas. Actually, yeah, it sounds

1657
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: like at but it's like a it's like a name brand.

1658
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 3: It's like a name brand and you just stick a

1659
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 3: cuppet and you press like Oreo vanilla, yeah, chocolate syrup,

1660
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 3: and it just goes like yeah, and you've got like

1661
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 3: a like a blizzard kind of style.

1662
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: Vote that sounds pretty delicious. Can we just get back to.

1663
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 3: Americans just love their self serve? Can we get back?

1664
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 6: Don't?

1665
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: Dolop is so delicious. I don't know what dole whip is.

1666
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 3: If you've never been to Disneyland.

1667
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 6: It's like the pineapple.

1668
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 3: It's a pineapple soft serve. Oh okay, it's delicious. It's

1669
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 3: like like the dairy queen. Can get the O l E. Yeah.

1670
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: And speaking of Dole, I remember one other thing today,

1671
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: what which is actually Dell? We found a good billionaire,

1672
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: the Dell family days the billion dollars or six billion

1673
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 2: plus dollars.

1674
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 3: And it's four percent of his total network. They're going

1675
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 3: to give two hundred and fifty dollars to students, I

1676
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: think for college education starting uppers, like a bunch of kids. Yes, wow,

1677
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 3: it's like four percent of their total net worth. And

1678
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: by the way, today on the countdown, Stephanie, we're on

1679
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,879
Speaker 3: the clock. We have seventeen days.

1680
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 2: Seventy seventeen days till the release of the Epstein Files.

1681
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 6: Crazy.

1682
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to get that in reaction from Courtney Armstrong.

1683
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 3: She did. She was that was huge.

1684
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, that wasn't an eye roll.

1685
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: That was actually an exacerbated look. Yeah, you've seemed upset.

1686
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 3: You're like you should like what just happened? What went

1687
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 3: through your mind? Are you still your bad was to Christmas?

1688
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 6: I was like, yes, I literally grabbed any No, I

1689
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 6: knew it.

1690
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 3: That was like that was not the reaction that but that.

1691
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 6: Was it was she really is I know.

1692
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, Corney, are you okay? I finally

1693
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 3: got through to her.

1694
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 6: She's on my team.

1695
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 3: There's how many days till Christmas? What do you are

1696
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 3: you stressed about Christmas? Courtney? I'm strong, not anymore since

1697
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 3: there's a little more time then.

1698
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 4: But I thought body was counting down.

1699
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 6: The same as everyone.

1700
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 3: Seventeen days on the Epstein.

1701
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Clock, seventeen days on the X clock, and twenty three

1702
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: I think on the Christmas clock. Yeah, twenty two, and

1703
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 2: when does Hankah start and any of the holidays we

1704
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 2: should be celebrating a single one, and yeah, no stress,

1705
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 2: it's about don't get stressed over the holidays.

1706
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 3: Let's just kind of breathe in, breathe out.

1707
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 6: Everyone.

1708
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: Thank you for spending your Tuesday night with us. We

1709
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 2: will of course be back tomorrow. We will have Jared

1710
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: Farantino with us, our very favorite prosecutor, to answer any

1711
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 2: real legal questions, so you could always leave us talk

1712
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: backs overnight as well, and we've been stacking them up

1713
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: all week.

1714
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 3: So have a great rest of your night and stay

1715
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 3: safe out there.

1716
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 6: B