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Speaker 1: We will start with Aaron longtime listener message for the back.

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Speaker 1: Not a Vikings fan, but JJ looks like he can

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Speaker 1: absolutely sling that pill. What do you think of his

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is pretty evident when they struggled and

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Speaker 1: way out. Now in the playoffs's been a little different.

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Speaker 1: But he was excellent in the second half, so it

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Speaker 1: wasn't really that shocking. It wasn't shocking at all. Right.

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Speaker 1: I think with JJ all we could go off of

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Speaker 1: like don't overreact. Overreact, like we have one game to

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Speaker 1: go off. What are we supposed to talk about? That's

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Speaker 1: what we talk about what we just witnessed. And there

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Speaker 1: coming back, you know, Jordan Addison coming back. I mean

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Speaker 1: a great player. I mean, there's no way around it.

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Speaker 1: He the eye test, the ball placement, the ball, the

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Speaker 1: usually when you're physically going through it, mentally do you break?

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Speaker 1: Some of these random guys playing, but easier schedule, like

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Speaker 1: it's easy for people to go. You never know. I

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Speaker 1: hate it when people say easy schedule, and I mainly agree.

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Speaker 1: But the schedule is pretty easy. I mean, you get

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Speaker 1: the Saints week two, like, that's a pretty easy draw.

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Speaker 1: It could be easier. It could be Miami, but it

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Speaker 1: sure as shit ain't the Bills. It sure isn't the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think if you just listed what

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Speaker 1: would be the five teams, if you got some major

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Speaker 1: injuries and you're missing your quarterback, you would want to play.

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Speaker 1: I'll promise you this, you would draw the Saints. Question

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Speaker 1: for the pod, what are your thoughts on the Eagles?

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Speaker 1: OC throwing the O line under the bus In his

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Speaker 1: recent interview, I saw this question. I looked it up,

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Speaker 1: and I just I could not find it. So maybe

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Speaker 1: I missed it. Maybe I'm just doing a bad job

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Speaker 1: of searching on the interweb, but I could not find

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Speaker 1: this situation. Now I'm gonna give an overall take here.

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Speaker 1: I talked for a living and have done it for

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Speaker 1: a while. So if you get me on an interview

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Speaker 1: with whoever I'm comfortable talking, it doesn't mean I won't

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Speaker 1: say something stupid. Every once in a while. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean I say things like aah, I probably should have

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Speaker 1: said that, or it's like, yeah, I don't even give

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Speaker 1: a shit, but I know what I'm doing when I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: In terms of in a public form, this guy, and

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Speaker 1: I would say the same thing about like Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: or Belichick at this point, right, these guys have been

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Speaker 1: in front of a microphone or an old like Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: They have been doing interviews forever, so they know exactly

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. If you have never been in a

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Speaker 1: position with a camera and a microphone in front of you,

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Speaker 1: like this guy's a lifetime position coach. This guy's not

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Speaker 1: used to talking in the media. That's not an excuse.

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Speaker 1: And again I don't even know what he said, but

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would give grace to any individual

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Speaker 1: the first time they become a coordinator, and like that

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Speaker 1: first half of that first year, and that includes the

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Speaker 1: off season two, it's a pretty dramatic. You never have

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Speaker 1: to talk say a word till like every Thursday you

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Speaker 1: talk and everyone wants to talk to you and get

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Speaker 1: your opinions on stuff. That's a pretty dramatic shift from

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Speaker 1: just being like what are you doing. I'm just hanging

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Speaker 1: out in my office, get some downtime. Yeah, we'll just

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Speaker 1: bsing to Like, no, I have a press comm it's

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Speaker 1: in ten minutes. And in the first game we had

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Speaker 1: an hour delay. We got our star wide receiver who

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Speaker 1: can be a little diva ish. I mean, there has

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Speaker 1: been some quarterback wide receiver friction before. Like it or not,

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Speaker 1: it came out. They pushed back. Brandon Graham said it

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Speaker 1: We're not making that up. So it's like, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot going on. You got an intense environment. You got

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Speaker 1: Howie looking over your shoulder. You're trying to prove to

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Speaker 1: the players you know what you're doing, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: to me. I'd even say, I'm not expect anything unless

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Speaker 1: you're a disaster. I put no emphasis on any press

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Speaker 1: conference you do in the offseason. The off season's cake.

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Speaker 1: You're working three or four days a week. You're going

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Speaker 1: to the pool with your kids three days a week,

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Speaker 1: you're playing golf twice a week. You're just you're chilling.

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Speaker 1: You got a tan on, you're looking good. There aren't stresses.

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Speaker 1: Give me a give me week two after you just

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Speaker 1: lost a barn burner in the offense had two hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty yards offense. What do you sound like on Thursday?

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Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard, and it's positioned. Some guys are

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Speaker 1: comfortable to do. Vic Fangio has done a million press conferences.

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Speaker 1: So whether the Eagles have a bad defensive performance or

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Speaker 1: a good up performance, like he knows what he's doing right,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton bo Nix, Like you could put a mic

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Speaker 1: in front of him a minute after that game ends

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Speaker 1: and he can just handle himself right. Doesn't mean he's

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Speaker 1: gonna say what you're gonna want him to say, or

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Speaker 1: maybe even something he regrets, but like he's gonna be okay,

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Speaker 1: you give me a guy that's not used to talking.

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Speaker 1: It's no different than I think about this all the

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Speaker 1: time when people because how would you not if I

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Speaker 1: wasn't doing what I'm doing, I'd be like, I can

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Speaker 1: do that. If I just gave you a microphone and

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Speaker 1: say hey, I'll give you thirty minutes to prepare and

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Speaker 1: then you're just gonna talk for forty five minutes on

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Speaker 1: football godspeed. It's a little harder than you think. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's like, can you just go and keep people's attention?

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Speaker 1: But if I gave you five years of doing it.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you know your shit, be fine. So

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Speaker 1: I give again. I don't even know if this happened.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't find it when I googled it. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a bigger story than I realized. You never know in Philly.

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Speaker 1: I also think little stories in Philly become big. But

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Speaker 1: I think you got to give the first time coordinator

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Speaker 1: a little grace. But this also shows you that they

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Speaker 1: go to KC. Case's defense was atrocious. You know they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be spags. He's gonna have rally the troops. What

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Speaker 1: if they have another rough outing on offense and Saquan's

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Speaker 1: not as involved aj the passing game's weird. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's difficult. These are really really hard positions. I'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: I had an offensive coordinator who got fired and they

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Speaker 1: still owed him. And this is like eight years ago,

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Speaker 1: when it was a you know, coordinators just started making

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Speaker 1: like unless you were a top, top guy. But he's

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Speaker 1: a first time coordinator. He was making a million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year and it was a really big I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a ton of money. He's like five years ago,

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Speaker 1: I was making seventy five thousand dollars, so you'd worked

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Speaker 1: up his way up. And he's like, I don't feel

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Speaker 1: bad cashing these checks because he got fired and then

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Speaker 1: he didn't work the next year. The things that were

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Speaker 1: set about my family, the things that were set about

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Speaker 1: me that my family had to read. He's like, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot different being in the coordinator position than it

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Speaker 1: is the quarterback coach or the O line coach or

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Speaker 1: the D line coach, because you are truly under the

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Speaker 1: firing line. So it's like, the reason I get way

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Speaker 1: more money doing this is the stress it puts on

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Speaker 1: my life because it goes dramatically up. And then from

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Speaker 1: the coordinator position to the head coaching position, that's like

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Speaker 1: a fifty x position, so that there is an element.

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Speaker 1: And we all know anyone who's read about stress got

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Speaker 1: to be one of the biggest killers in the world.

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Speaker 1: And we get a lot of that here in America

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Speaker 1: because we capitalist society. Got a lot of stressful situations

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Speaker 1: going professionally, which I like at times. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: good to get your blood following, but there's a balance

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Speaker 1: of the pressure that some of these guys are under,

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Speaker 1: especially in a place like Philadelphia. So I wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: to be that guy. You know, it's hard to follow,

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Speaker 1: and they just won the Super Bowl, So anything less

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Speaker 1: than being a dominant team with a dominant offense, especially

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Speaker 1: all their fans and I support Philly fans, but let's

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Speaker 1: face it, like they've Jalen's an elite guy. Why are

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Speaker 1: you considering Jalen a top five guy? Well, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: played excellent in the Super Bowl, so he justs a

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Speaker 1: ton of credit. We all think the guy is mentally

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Speaker 1: tough wired the right way, and when he's good is good.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. But like over the course of the season,

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Speaker 1: he's kind of a roller coaster ride, and he can

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Speaker 1: have games where you're like, what's going on, And that's

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Speaker 1: a little different than the other guys in the top five.

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Speaker 1: No one says he sucks, but obviously the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: is the most important game that he'll ever play, and

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Speaker 1: he's played in it twice and he was good. So

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Speaker 1: you get a lot of credit for that. And he's

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion. No one can take that away from you.

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Speaker 1: He's being paid a lot of money. No one can

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Speaker 1: take that money away from But just in terms of

570
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Speaker 1: like he's not paidon Manning or John Elway. So he's

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Speaker 1: a really good player, who would you watch him randomly?

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Speaker 1: Can look pretty shitty as well. His game is honestly,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's not great. He's not a great watch. I

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Speaker 1: think that's part of it. Like you watch Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: in that Chiefs game, like this guy's just a great watch.

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Speaker 1: Or you watch Joe Burrow when he's on or something

577
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Speaker 1: like sometimes Dalen hurts. Yeah, he scored three touchdowns, he

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Speaker 1: threw one, and he had two Toush pushes, like great cool.

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Speaker 1: I think that's some of the pushback on him, though

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Speaker 1: I respect it, Himan. The Toush push is because he's

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Speaker 1: got really strong legs. Like most people I see other

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Speaker 1: guys trying the Toush pushes, they don't get it because

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Speaker 1: they can't get any push because they can't squat six

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Speaker 1: thousand pounds like he can't. Mean, that's that's the advantage

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Speaker 1: they have, and that's what all their players say. It's

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Speaker 1: not just their own lines good. It's the power in

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Most guys can't get that low and can't

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Speaker 1: be that powerful. Like he's a huge part of it.

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Speaker 1: But we gotta be honest about this. Sometimes he's just

590
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Speaker 1: a boring player, and some boring works. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people are own boring companies that make millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: So just because you in something that's not glamorous, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But he can have moments where he's just

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Speaker 1: not that glamorous of a player. The volume